JAMIE LEE CURTIS on Hollywood, Her Parents & Why She Never Bought the Hype | IMO

0:00 I've been waiting patiently to do my thing.

0:05 Yeah, biding my time.

0:07 And I have, I have suited up and shown up for lots of different work.

0:16 I did commercials when nobody, I mean,

0:20 I won an Oscar and I sold yogurt that makes you shit for six years.

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0:38 Hey you!

0:39 Craig Robinson.

0:40 Michelle Obama, how you doing?

0:42 Good always good to be with you.

0:44 Oh, it's Oh, it's so nice to be here.

0:47 It's been raining a bit.

0:49 You know, it has been, and speaking of rain, so you know we had the kids here,

0:56 they're all gone, Kelly's gone, I'm now by myself again.

1:01 And I was enjoying sitting outside of my Airbnb because I'm in.

1:07 No, it's been raining, so you've been trapped alone.

1:11 I've been inside, but I haven't had zero

1:15 to do because my Airbnb has a pool table.

1:18 Oh, yeah.

1:19 So I've working on my game.

1:20 Have you really- I've been working on it.

1:22 Is it a good solid pool table?

1:24 Yeah.

1:24 Oh, no, it's a real pool table It's a pool

1:27 table and I realized that I haven't played pool in forever.

1:30 So I'm terrible, but it gives me something to do when I'm

1:34 But you also said that this is a famous place that you're staying.

1:39 Yeah, it's Orson Welles.

1:43 FORMER HOME Yes, yes, a lot of historical stuff inside and.

1:48 Do you know if it's been passed down?

1:50 Like, do they, does Airbnb give you a bit of a history?

1:53 Did you know that?

1:54 Because how did you know that it was Orson Welles?

1:57 I didn't know until I walked into the place.

1:59 So when the folks at Airbnb give me a couple to choose

2:06 from and typically I choose the one that's closest to the office.

2:11 And that's what I did.

2:12 I didn't really do much research and then

2:14 I walk in and there's memorabilia everywhere.

2:18 It's really cool.

2:18 That's cool.

2:19 Really cool.

2:19 For a Turner classic movie guy.

2:21 Yeah, it's pretty cool.

2:22 It's like you're in heaven.

2:23 Yeah, you are in heaven I am in heaven.

2:25 Well, speaking of the classics,

2:28 our guest today is a classic beauty, personality, all the above.

2:36 It's going to be a great episode, y'all,

2:39 but Craig is going to do the formal introduction.

2:41 Yeah, I'm gonna do the formal introduction for Jamie Lee Curtis,

2:45 who is an actress known for her roles in many iconic films,

2:49 including the Halloween franchise, A Fish Called Wanda, Freaky Friday,

2:54 Knives Out, and most recently, The Last Showgirl and Freakier Friday.

3:01 In 2023, she won the Oscar for Best Supporting

3:04 Actress for her role in Everything Everywhere all at once.

3:09 And we got to say hello,

3:10 and I am so looking forward to spending time with Jamie Lee Curtis.

3:14 Come on.

3:15 Jamie!

3:16 Yes, you go to her first.

3:23 Welcome, so happy you're here.

3:25 Oh, hi, Biggie.

3:27 I wasn't here before.

3:28 Welcome to IMO.

3:29 I like it.

3:30 Hi.

3:30 That was a nice introduction.

3:32 How odd.

3:32 It's always weird for me.

3:33 I'm sure it is.

3:34 I don't know.

3:35 It's weird.

3:36 You said the Halloween franchise.

3:38 I was like, it wasn't a franchise.

3:40 It was a 17-day shoot in Pasadena and Hollywood for $300,000 in 1978.

3:48 It wasn't franchise.

3:50 Okay.

3:50 It was a gig.

3:51 That was so great, because my name was on every page.

3:55 You know what I mean?

3:56 That was the thing about it.

3:57 That's what Halloween was for me at that time.

3:59 Yeah.

3:59 At 19, I was like, are you kidding?

4:01 Yeah.

4:01 So it's funny that it's...

4:03 You listen, I'm sure you both have that.

4:07 Where you hear, as we're older now, you hear things and you go, really?

4:14 That's me?

4:15 That's my life?

4:16 I totally agree.

4:16 I'm like, really?!

4:17 And you want people to, it's like, okay, okay.

4:19 That's enough.

4:20 That's.

4:21 Well, yeah, it just doesn't, you know what?

4:23 Because I don't relate to it.

4:25 That's right, that's right.

4:26 I honestly don't related to any of it.

4:28 I only relate to sort of the immediate moment here with you.

4:34 I was at Children's Hospital Los Angeles before I came here.

4:36 That became an immediate moment for me.

4:39 I do not look back.

4:42 But it speaks to your, it speaks to your character too.

4:46 Yeah, I was going to say.

4:47 You're not taking yourself, like, ah, you know what I'm saying?

4:50 That's clear.

4:51 The second you meet, someone meets you.

4:55 I mean, that was like, oh, she's real.

4:57 Yeah.

4:58 I mean she's a real person, a real woman.

5:03 It's so strange to me because I understand that the industry,

5:08 that the whole concept is not real.

5:12 That it's that magical, when you're talking about Orson Welles,

5:16 I mean, that idea of you're a Turner classic movie nerd.

5:21 That lore of what that is in Hollywood and the speakeasies.

5:26 And yes, I know some of those houses in Hancock

5:28 Park that had the speak-easy built into behind the wall.

5:34 But I live the life of a human being.

5:37 So I'm a chop wood, carry water kind of gal.

5:41 So I've never understood.

5:45 The idea of not being real, of having some fake thing, it would make.

5:52 Well, a lot of people would say,

5:54 you are the daughter of Hollywood, right, of that image.

5:59 But that's what people would, say, what do you think kept you grounded?

6:04 Janet Lee.

6:06 Okay.

6:06 My mother was from Stockton, California, her name was Jeanette Helen Morrison.

6:11 She lived in a garage with her parents.

6:15 And she became, you know, it's too long of a story,

6:17 but she was discovered by Norma Shear,

6:20 silent film star, who there was a photo, long story.

6:25 There was a photograph of my mother at a motel

6:28 where my grandfather was the manager for watching.

6:31 Of a ski motel at a ski resort, not ski resort at a ski place.

6:36 And Norma Shear was married to a skier.

6:38 And they stayed at this motel and saw the picture

6:41 when she was checking out and said, who's that?

6:43 And he said, that's my daughter.

6:44 She said, may I have the picture?

6:46 Took it to Hollywood.

6:47 They called for her.

6:49 She became an actress,

6:53 changed her name to Janet Leigh and starred in a movie with Dan Johnson.

6:59 Right away in, whatever year it was, 1948, I believe, and that began her career.

7:04 But she was, from a really rough childhood in Stockton,

7:10 California, she raised me.

7:12 I feel like I'm watching Turner Classic right now.

7:14 See, my sister doesn't know that you did this on Turner Classic to introduce

7:21 the whole story of your mom and I've got goosebumps right now listening to you.

7:27 Now listening to you.

7:28 You have to remember that was my mother.

7:30 My mother was Jeanette Helen Morrison from Stockton, California.

7:33 My father was Bernie Schwartz from New York City.

7:37 Now.

7:38 Bernie Schwartz became Tony Curtis, he adopted the fake life.

7:48 Got it.

7:49 Now, he did it with spirit.

7:51 He did it with some style.

7:54 He bought mansions and art collections and had a kind of grandiosity about him.

8:00 It was charming.

8:02 If he walked in a room, he would be a little bit like, hello.

8:07 And he would walk to tell, hello, I'm Tony.

8:11 And, you know, people would just be like, ah.

8:13 And he lived a little bit like a prince.

8:15 So he lived this fake reality.

8:19 Of course, died a drug addict.

8:22 My mother lived a very real life and stayed real her whole life.

8:27 Her book that she wrote was called There Really Was a Hollywood,

8:32 which tells you everything that for her, that idea

8:35 of there was something magical that she then entered.

8:41 I grew up in Los Angeles, California,

8:42 on a dirt road with a donkey and a stable that wasn't ours next door.

8:48 You know what I mean?

8:49 I grew a Southern California kid.

8:54 Like you're talking about kid.

8:55 Like I grew not in a fancy life at all.

8:59 And so my mother, is the...

9:03 Were you aware of who your mother was?

9:05 You know what?

9:06 You become aware of it.

9:08 I guarantee you, I don't know about your family life, Craig.

9:11 I didn't do my homework.

9:13 You did homework.

9:14 That's okay.

9:14 I was in Chicago yesterday, so I did not do my home work,

9:18 but I don t- Well, I'm telling you the truth.

9:20 I hear you.

9:21 Yeah.

9:22 I'm sure that your daughters have had to deal with the fact

9:26 that people know who your parents are before you walk in a room.

9:32 Or as you walk in the room.

9:34 That's the first thing that is said.

9:36 I understood that to some degree, as I became a teen,

9:44 I don't think as a kid I knew anything,

9:47 but I think as teen, you understand there's something,

9:54 but remember there was no internet.

9:56 Yeah.

9:56 There was television.

9:57 My parents were movie stars, not television stars, per se.

10:00 They weren't coming into your house.

10:02 And they didn't, their movies didn't show on television.

10:06 So it wasn't like I, like they were in the movies and then the movies went away.

10:11 Oh, sorry.

10:13 And then the movie's left town or whatever their movie

10:15 was and then they went on to the next one.

10:18 So their fame, their presence.

10:24 Just became attached to me,

10:26 but not because I had any clues to really what that meant, what they did.

10:30 I'm interested because I think I am

10:33 fascinated with parenthood and how people get

10:37 things right and what did your mom do right in terms of your day-to-day,

10:46 the messages that she sent to you that helped keep you grounded.

10:56 Was just the way she lived and just the way she interacted with people.

11:00 I think she never lost that sense that she was,

11:07 that it was a miracle that she became Janet Leigh.

11:11 And that impoverished childhood.

11:16 She had a lot of sadness in her family life.

11:19 Her father took his life when she was first married with Tony Curtis,

11:24 her father took his life.

11:26 She had a lot of sadness.

11:28 I think there was obviously alcoholism in the family.

11:31 So she had secrets.

11:34 I think though just that that was her, she was the nicest person.

11:39 She would talk to every person.

11:42 And I think that just really, it wasn't a specific thing.

11:46 I mean, we grew up, as I said, in a very normalized life we had.

11:52 Early, early bedtimes and chores and bikes and, you know,

11:56 played outside and there was no neighborhoods

11:59 and you know a lot of fantasy play, but that's just what kids do.

12:04 So I think it was just the normalized life that she didn't,

12:08 you know, but I certainly didn't come up with this.

12:15 Someone way smarter than me came up with it,

12:19 that the being a parent that if you're successful,

12:25 it's the only thing you're successful at that ends in separation.

12:31 Like everything else,

12:32 the whole success is based on the staying and holding it and clutching it.

12:41 The goal of a parent is to actually separate into separate ideologies,

12:48 separate physical lives, and hopefully there's nice interactions,

12:53 but people are allowed to have their own

12:56 minds because having your own mind is dangerous.

13:01 Or to some it's perceived as dangerous.

13:03 Well, it's dangerous because you're challenging just

13:06 through the idea of having your ideas.

13:10 Is going to challenge the status quo.

13:13 And that to me is the great gift of my evolution.

13:18 Is that my mother's gift?

13:21 I don't know.

13:22 I don't know if my mother would love the mind I have.

13:26 Do you know what I mean?

13:27 Like I may have challenged some of the, like I guarantee you, right?

13:31 And I can tell you right now, if my mom had been alive during everything,

13:35 everywhere, all at once, She would not have liked.

13:40 I mean, I don't think she would have liked the movie.

13:43 And I'm not speaking ill of my beautiful mother.

13:46 I think that would have challenged every norm.

13:49 Because in her years as an actress...

13:51 Being an actress meant a facade.

13:54 Very much about what you looked like

13:56 and how women were perceived and their bodies.

13:59 And I think my mother would have...

14:00 It would have been very challenging.

14:09 Hey Mish, you ever notice how even tiny choices can feel really personal?

14:17 What we buy at the grocery store,

14:19 the little preferences we don't want to budge on, it's not random.

14:24 It's how we take care of ourselves and the people we love.

14:28 You and I both know our family has opinions about everything.

14:32 And somehow those little choices end up saying a lot

14:36 about who we are and how we care for people.

14:39 You know about me and sardines, right?

14:43 What about you and sardines?

14:44 You don't remember.

14:44 You don't remember this.

14:45 I was hoping I'd catch you off guard with this.

14:49 I love sardines.

14:50 It's my comfort snack.

14:52 I remember our dad loved sardines.

14:54 And that's exactly right.

14:56 And I enjoy eating them on a club cracker,

14:58 but you remember him eating them on saltines?

15:02 Yes.

15:02 With mustard.

15:04 With mustard, that's exactly right and I don't do the mustard anymore.

15:09 You're not following tradition.

15:10 No, but I am also not following the saltine crackers.

15:16 Do you remember the fact that we couldn't use Ritz

15:20 crackers because we had to save those for special occasions?

15:24 Special occasions.

15:26 Well, now I got all the Ritz Crackers I want,

15:29 but it tasted really good and he let me try it and I loved it.

15:35 And now my kids prefer their chips and cookies,

15:39 but it really feels good when Kelly grocery shops

15:42 and she remembers to grab sardines just for me.

15:45 And they're good for you.

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16:45 I think we're probably the first, the beginning of the first generation of women

16:51 who is pushing against the norm, the standard,

16:55 the way women were raised to and conditioned to think about themselves,

17:00 think about themselves in connection with the rest of the world,

17:03 their place as women in the family.

17:07 Because it was all orchestrated by men.

17:09 Yes, exactly.

17:11 So as soon as women started to understand that they could have their own mind,

17:16 they could challenge job equality, pay equality.

17:20 And there are people who don't like that.

17:22 Billie Jean, Effing King.

17:24 That's right.

17:25 I mean, just the way she challenged.

17:28 Yeah.

17:30 And it's a scary proposition to some of the men

17:34 that are used to being in complete power.

17:36 Of course.

17:37 Yeah.

17:37 It's like, don't have your own mind.

17:39 Have mine.

17:41 And so what happens is we become our own people,

17:45 because I'm not Tony Curtis, I don't walk around ho-ho.

17:49 Yes.

17:49 I'm Jamie.

17:51 How are you?

17:52 You know, but I'm flirty.

17:55 Like he was.

17:57 You know.

17:58 Wicked flirt.

17:59 So you, you know, you develop pieces of...

18:04 Yes, you make your own life through the...

18:08 Trial and error and experience of others and, and a lot of error.

18:15 Um, so I don't think,

18:17 I think getting sober gave me a lot that I've been married gave me.

18:21 A lot of it being a parent gave me lot of it.

18:24 Um, obviously big time having hate this word, it's just awful.

18:34 The word I don't like is accomplishment.

18:39 It's like, it's hard for me.

18:40 So I am having a lot of external accomplishments at a very late age.

18:49 And when you asked what was the sort of causation,

18:54 what were the factors, I've been waiting patiently to do my thing.

19:03 Yeah, yeah.

19:05 And I have suited up and shown up for lots of different work.

19:15 I did commercials when nobody,

19:18 I won an Oscar and I sold yogurt that makes you shit for six years.

19:25 And it's a good laugh line, I use it a lot.

19:28 But you have to remember, I did commercial.

19:31 Because I was 20.

19:36 26, 27, maybe 28.

19:41 I had done a fish called Wanda.

19:43 One day my phone rang and they said, hey, Hertz rent a car.

19:49 Somebody called me and said, Hey,

19:52 they're looking for a female business executive to run through airports.

19:57 Yeah, you've been asked to do it.

20:03 Why did they understand that I can sell something?

20:07 I don't know, I was an actress.

20:10 I wasn't Jamie, I hadn't established my Jamiedom, do you know what I mean?

20:17 Like I just was a young mom, a young act,

20:20 a married person, and I had been in a couple movies.

20:23 Now, you can imagine when I was offered to do commercials

20:28 for a probiotic yogurt that helps

20:32 regulate your digestive system with bifidus regularis.

20:35 You remember.

20:37 Dude, I remember every word I've ever said in any movie, ever anywhere.

20:43 Wow.

20:43 Every word.

20:44 Wow, really?

20:45 Everything.

20:45 But my point is, I guarantee you, someone was like,

20:50 really, you're going to do yogurt commercials that helps you poop?

20:55 And then it became parody.

20:57 On SNL.

20:59 And then Kristen Wiig did the parody.

21:02 That's when you kind of go, oh, okay, that's interesting.

21:06 Now we're talking.

21:08 Because like now you're in the mix.

21:11 You know what I mean?

21:12 When you do a commercial and someone parodies it on television,

21:17 you're now part of a cultural thing.

21:19 So all of a sudden, that has never been a problem for me.

21:25 But that wasn't your plan.

21:27 I hadn't, I've never had a plan, Michelle Obama.

21:30 Did you have a, well, maybe you did because you're a G, you're a total effing G,

21:36 I mean you're just like G with a capital big ass G man,

21:40 so yeah, I'm sure you had a plan, I didn't have a plan.

21:43 I can spell plan.

21:45 Well, since since you didn't have a plan when you were younger,

21:49 I read you wanted to be a cop.

21:51 Well, I, by the way...

21:53 Yeah I got into college because my mother was

21:56 the most famous person that had ever gone to the college.

22:01 Somehow my application that had an 840 combined SAT score and I believe

22:10 a C minus was probably graded on a curve to give me a C-GP.

22:17 I don't know what it was.

22:18 Somebody who's a brainiac will tell me what a C- GPA is.

22:23 It is not good.

22:25 Somehow, the University of Pacific and Stockton,

22:28 California thought, I'm your girl.

22:31 We want her.

22:33 They can see past the application.

22:35 I had no business, Craig.

22:37 The application.

22:37 Craig, I had no business in higher education.

22:40 I should have gone to a trade school.

22:42 I'm not joking.

22:44 I really, I am not an intellectual and I don't pretend to be one.

22:49 And I had no business.

22:50 In college, I majored in criminology and minored

22:55 in being a little sister at a frat.

22:57 Yeah.

22:57 I mean, I mean seriously.

22:59 So when did you think, all right, then I'll go in the family business.

23:02 But I would never think that, Craig.

23:04 Look at this.

23:05 I'm telling you right now, this is not the girl.

23:10 You have to remember, my mother was the most beautiful woman I've ever seen.

23:18 Tony Curtis?

23:19 I know.

23:21 Holy moly me, they were beautiful.

23:24 Yeah, but you- I was cute.

23:26 You know what?

23:27 I'm just telling you, Michelle,

23:28 so the idea that I would go into the movie business where this is your life,

23:34 I had no discernible talent.

23:36 I don't do accents.

23:39 I'm not that girl.

23:42 I never went to drama school.

23:45 I'm just a living creature who's developed over these low many

23:52 years and my point is it was the last thing I

23:55 thought I would do is be in show business and it

23:57 was an accident and it's boring and it is a long story.

24:00 It's not boring.

24:02 It's a boring story.

24:02 But let me ask you this because there are

24:04 a lot of young people listening out there in the world.

24:08 God bless you.

24:09 Who believe the same thing about themselves.

24:12 There is nothing obviously that I have and I want to ask,

24:18 what was it that you tapped into in the midst of all that, that kept you going?

24:23 Because right now there are, a lot kids are like, I don't see my future.

24:26 There's nothing.

24:27 I'm not pretty enough.

24:28 I'm this enough.

24:28 If I'm not really talented enough.

24:30 So they quit or they don't push.

24:38 What was your driver?

24:40 What was the thing in your head that said...

24:45 Figured this out.

24:46 I'm going to, I'm going to not tell you the story of how I became an actor,

24:51 which was boring and literally was an accident.

24:54 And you've told the story.

24:55 Right.

24:56 I've been, you know, I became in action because somebody I knew

25:00 randomly said they were looking for Nancy Drew

25:03 at Universal and I was home at Christmas and I was like, okay, I was lucky.

25:08 So a lot of it has to do with luck.

25:09 Yes.

25:10 Michelle Obama.

25:10 I had no clue.

25:12 I didn't have a clue.

25:13 I just followed the next thing, but I have a very strong work ethic.

25:19 And I'm curious enough to ask questions.

25:22 I want to know things I don't know.

25:25 I can say I don t know.

25:27 And how do you do that?

25:29 I have no training and yet.

25:31 Did you ever have any?

25:33 No.

25:34 Mm-hmm.

25:35 So what did you, what were you learning as you,

25:38 you know, you went about your acting ability?

25:44 Like what light bulbs were clicking for you as you went along,

25:48 or were you just fully like- It's just what comes up- It's like,

25:51 read this and go do that.

25:54 I'm, I'm an emotional person and I, I would like to say I'm a empathetic person.

26:02 I, if there's anything in me is that I

26:06 have an understanding that life is hard for people.

26:12 Um, and a deep level of empathy.

26:15 Um, which why I tear up in it Is that it's so It's so absent these days.

26:24 Um Because our leadership isn't showing it,

26:28 you know I know so it's really nice to See it in action because it's Well,

26:37 and it's out there everywhere.

26:39 And there are people, there are beautiful people.

26:42 There are just, I mean, I had a colonoscopy recently.

26:46 Please tell us more, Jamie.

26:50 Heidi's, Heidi right now is like, I swear to God,

26:54 this is what just happened in the back room with Heidi Schaefer.

26:57 She literally just went like this.

26:58 I Well, we at the table have all had colonoscopies.

27:04 And it's that the Twilight thing is pretty good, so.

27:08 Just so you know.

27:12 First of all, I write notes to my doctor that I somehow

27:16 can twist around and write them in an eyeliner pencil on my butt.

27:21 You don't.

27:21 I do.

27:22 And I write arrows pointing, and I say this side up.

27:28 I write, thank you, doctor, I won't name him.

27:31 Thank you, Dr.

27:32 M, for going to medical school.

27:34 I, you get that all on your butt.

27:36 But then I also bring a hundred dollar bill and I say, listen,

27:43 if the anesthesiologist wants to dial the propofol up slowly

27:49 and the hundies gone when I wake up, I'm fine with it.

27:54 Because yes, sorry, but that's not why I brought up my colonoscopy.

27:57 But once again, we digress, but for those of us.

28:01 Who have had it, it's like, that's hilarious.

28:03 I do draw diagrams and arrows.

28:06 Never thought of that.

28:07 Remind them.

28:08 Never thought.

28:08 Of that.

28:09 And I still go to Walter Reed to the military doctors.

28:15 I think that might be a good one for my next Cold NOSP trip out to the generals.

28:21 I'll send you a picture, I took a picture the last time.

28:23 Please do that.

28:24 I'm not going to show it to anybody.

28:26 The reason I brought my colonoscopy was that the nurse who greeted me at 6 a.m.

28:34 To put her in the IV and to get me prepped

28:38 before the team comes in, I'm talking to her and she's young,

28:43 beautiful, Hispanic, young girl.

28:45 And I said, you know, as we do, you have kids?

28:48 She said, yeah, I have three.

28:52 You have three kids.

28:55 Where are they right now?

28:56 She said, they're at my sister's.

29:00 She said, I dropped them there before I come to work.

29:02 It was 6 a.m.

29:03 Yeah.

29:05 She's waking up three little kids.

29:07 Every day?

29:07 She said five days a week.

29:09 She says, I said, what time did you get them up?

29:12 She said 4.15.

29:14 Every day at 4.

29:15 15, she wakes up her three kids

29:18 and she's put their school clothes in the backpack,

29:21 in each of their backpacks, and she takes them to her sisters in their pajamas.

29:26 And then they go back to sleep at her sisters.

29:29 And then her sister takes them to school.

29:33 Yep, five days a week.

29:36 I didn't have that.

29:38 I don't work that hard and I don't have that life.

29:42 That wasn't my life with my children.

29:45 But I'm aware that that's really the life going on around me.

29:49 I was just at Children's Hospital of Los Angeles.

29:52 You want to spend a day and understand how hard people work.

29:55 Everyone should.

29:57 Go to Children's hospital,

29:59 volunteer to Childrens hospital and see how dedicated those teams are to this.

30:03 So, for me.

30:04 Not to belabor the point.

30:06 I think it's just simply, I'm aware that life is hard.

30:09 My favorite quote is from the Princess Bride.

30:14 Life is pain, highness, and anyone who says differently is selling something.

30:19 And it's it's really well and it's something to be

30:23 mindful of You don't get something for nothing in this world

30:27 and anybody tells you I don't care if he's the president

30:30 or not You don't get something from nothing You know,

30:34 there's you know, There's a cost to life.

30:36 Of course, you know There's cost to making

30:38 sure everybody has health insurance and there's a costs

30:41 to all of us to make sure

30:43 that that nurse could possibly have some more reasonable,

30:47 affordable childcare while she's serving other people.

30:50 There's a cost to all of us to have a clean environment.

30:53 You don't get to do it without paying taxes or shorting your taxes.

30:57 That's the fundamental idea of being human, of any religion, pull any religion.

31:06 That is the cornerstone of it.

31:09 Help each other.

31:09 Yes, it is.

31:10 Love thy neighbor, welcome someone, be open, put your hand out.

31:17 Reach back, help somebody up, pull them up.

31:20 It's the nature of for me.

31:23 And that's not, I mean, my parents were, you know, good people,

31:27 but it wasn't, it's just the experience of being alive this long.

31:31 And I mean I don't have any other way of doing it.

31:36 I I am a worker amongst workers.

31:39 That's not just a recovery phrase.

31:41 That's been my vibe for a long time.

31:44 I would have required our crew here wear name

31:47 tags so that when I walk in the room, you know my name, I don't know yours.

31:52 There's an imbalance.

31:54 Well, that's a good idea.

31:55 No, but that's an imbalance, and right away, it puts me...

32:00 I mean, I'm the one sitting here at the table with y'all,

32:04 but, like, I don't know your name.

32:06 Like, that feels imbalanced to me.

32:08 And on work that I do as the leader of a show, that's a requirement.

32:15 So, I mean I have a lot of opinions.

32:18 I'm just opinionated.

32:19 Well, it's a good thing you're on...

32:20 IMO because it's all about opinions.

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33:42 That beginning of the year push is in the rear view.

33:45 And it's up to us right now to decide

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33:53 Take the show for example, there is so much that goes into running a podcast.

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34:58 So, Jamie, you recently...

35:03 I get into that very late night DJ voice, what Craig?

35:07 At what point in your career did you

35:10 start sort of aiming for stuff that you were,

35:15 like you're talking about, I'm doing things now that are for me.

35:20 Accident.

35:22 Same way I'm an actor, accident.

35:25 I'm telling you now, I was sent everything everywhere all at once.

35:31 It was the weirdest thing I'd ever read.

35:33 I didn't understand a word of it.

35:36 I still don't.

35:37 I need to watch it two more times.

35:39 I didn't understand a world of it and my agent sent it to me.

35:47 I had made the Halloween movies in Charleston, Wilmington, and Savannah.

35:57 All of those movies were made away from my family.

36:00 I have two children.

36:01 I have a dog who loves me more than any human on the earth.

36:07 And I have husband and family and friends.

36:10 And all I do is leave town to work.

36:13 And I was sent a script and first thing, it was shot in Los Angeles.

36:20 So it was in Simi Valley, Los Angeles, which is not, it's outside the TMZ.

36:25 Yeah, so it's.

36:26 It's far enough away that they could get away with making it,

36:30 but it was still Los Angeles.

36:31 I was still gonna sleep in my bed.

36:33 Two, it was starring Michelle Yeoh, who's getting her star today,

36:37 even though I know this is months later.

36:40 She is actually right now getting a star

36:43 on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, Michelle Yeh.

36:47 And three, they gave me enough money to pay cashflow.

36:51 And I said yes.

36:53 Those were the three reasons.

36:54 I didn't understand it.

36:56 You weren't angling, you didn't think this is going to be the...

36:58 I didn't know nothing.

36:59 I just said, okay, but I knew her because I have met Deirdre's.

37:06 I know her.

37:07 This is someone who's unloved, untouched.

37:11 I understand the power of your job,

37:14 that when someone has a job like that, all of the slights

37:19 of humanity that has come your way as an unattractive.

37:27 Unlovable human being, all of the slights that come with those two descriptions,

37:35 and my job is to say, fuck you.

37:38 No, you're going to have to do all that again.

37:42 Oh no, oh no.

37:44 This is my payback.

37:45 I'm, and so that was her life.

37:47 And the key to Deirdre Bo Beardra was, if you see the movie again,

37:52 she has beautifully manicured hands because I realized

37:58 that was the only time she ever was touched.

38:02 My point is, that was made in 38 days in Simi Valley in January of 2020.

38:10 We wrapped the movie the day COVID started.

38:13 So whatever, Monday, March 16th was the last day of the shoot, 2020.

38:19 And the movie didn't come out for two years.

38:22 Movie came out in March of 2022.

38:26 And then it won nine Oscars or seven Oscars in March of 2023.

38:32 Now, if you think for one second that you had a plan driving to Simi Valley.

38:41 Five o'clock in the morning to go to an empty office

38:45 building that used to be the countrywide savings and loan campus,

38:50 sexy, and not have trailers because we used

38:53 offices in the building as our dressing rooms.

38:57 Mm-hmm.

38:58 You're making a movie about the multiverse?

39:03 And you think?

39:05 Oh yeah!

39:05 That's this is my chance.

39:08 This is the one man.

39:10 This is gonna This is one So what goes through your mind when this season is in?

39:19 And you're like, what?

39:20 I remember exactly where I was sitting.

39:22 I remember what I was wearing when Heidi and Rick,

39:25 the assistant called and said, I have Rick and Heidi for you.

39:29 And I was like, oh, okay.

39:31 Hello.

39:31 And they go, hi.

39:33 I was, like, hi, what's up?

39:34 He said, hey, listen, we wanted to talk to you.

39:39 We had a conversation today with A24, a releasing company.

39:43 I was.

39:44 Yeah.

39:46 He said.

39:46 I said about what?

39:47 They said, about the campaign.

39:52 The campaign for what?

39:54 And they said, well, you know,

39:56 we want to make sure that they're including you in the campaign.

39:59 I was like, I can't say what I said.

40:02 Yeah, I Can.

40:02 Right?

40:03 Yes, you can.

40:05 CBS isn't going to fire me.

40:08 Well, isn't that what they do?

40:09 That's what they did.

40:10 Yeah, apparently.

40:11 Um.

40:12 But not here.

40:12 Not here.

40:13 I said, fuck you to both of them.

40:15 I was like, stop it.

40:17 Stop it right now.

40:18 There is no campaign.

40:20 They said, well, we just want to make sure

40:22 that they're going to do a big push for the movie.

40:24 I'm like, okay, whatever.

40:25 Look, just back off.

40:28 Anyway, that became insane.

40:31 And it's really a thing, and it's a really mind-swimming, and I...

40:39 Did everything I could the whole time to go, la la la, la la.

40:43 This isn't me, yeah.

40:45 Like just not, I didn't want to read anything.

40:47 I didn't want to have people whisper things in my ear.

40:50 I hated it.

40:52 And I, I never in my life,

40:56 you have to remember the last thing in my life I ever thought would ever happen.

41:04 Would be that I would be nominated for an Academy Award.

41:07 That just was never in the cards.

41:09 That was never anywhere in the work I did.

41:12 It was just, that was what other people had happen to them, not me.

41:17 And I am telling you that morning,

41:19 that morning and this, I got COVID at the Golden Globe.

41:25 Thank you, Colin Farrell.

41:27 And he knows, and we've worked it out.

41:30 Anyway, he, gave me COVID at the Golden Globes.

41:36 So I had been homesick with COVID and it was the day of the nominations.

41:41 And I'm telling you,

41:42 I'd had like a lot of people texting, like, he's so excited.

41:45 I was like, shut up, go away, stop.

41:47 And then I woke up that morning and I went downstairs.

41:51 Now, my husband of a long time makes really funny movies.

41:56 And one of the movies he made was a movie called For Your Consideration,

42:00 which is a parody of the season of Shiny Things.

42:07 It's the whole idea of this weird little movie,

42:11 somebody whispering in somebody's ear that they're

42:13 going to get an Oscar nomination.

42:14 And then what happens?

42:16 Catherine O'Hara, that great weird thing.

42:18 She can do that with her face.

42:20 Sweet girl.

42:21 We just lost her what?

42:23 A week ago, two weeks ago.

42:24 Anyway, I know this is later, but that wasn't tape or anything.

42:28 She had this weird ability.

42:30 To make her face look like that.

42:33 And so, but you know, and what happens to people,

42:36 the mind game that goes on, that's what the movie is about.

42:39 My husband made that movie.

42:41 So that morning of the Oscar nominations,

42:45 you know my husband said, what are you doing?

42:46 I said, well, I'm gonna get up and watch the thing.

42:49 He said, why?

42:50 I said you know why honey?

42:53 A, I have to exorcize you and your movie.

42:56 Like I can't, this is my life.

42:58 That was a movie.

43:00 I said, I'm not a character in a movie, I am a person.

43:03 I said I'm aware that there's enough chatter

43:09 that there is a chance that that would happen.

43:13 I don't think it's gonna happen,

43:15 but I'm telling you that's a possibility that it could happen.

43:19 And here's the story this will delight you.

43:24 I've been an actress for a long time.

43:27 The only person I know who won an Oscar is Deborah Oppenheimer.

43:30 Mm-hmm.

43:31 And on the morning of the Oscar nominations.

43:36 I was like, I get up really early.

43:37 So I was up at four and then I make coffee or whatever.

43:40 And then at like five, the thing starts at five 30.

43:43 So like at five 10, I looked at my phone

43:47 and there was a text from Deb and it said, I'm sitting outside your house.

43:55 I have my computer with me.

43:57 If you don't want me to be there with you.

44:00 I'm fine where I am.

44:03 But I'm here.

44:04 But I am sitting outside your house and I opened my gate.

44:09 And there she was.

44:10 And she was sitting in her car with a pillow

44:13 and her computer and she came in and sat with me.

44:21 And when my name came up on that screen.

44:27 I didn't know she was doing this.

44:28 My friend Deborah Oppenheimer was taking pictures secretly.

44:32 She kind of held her phone.

44:34 Cause I could not believe it.

44:37 And the real moment of disbelief was when they

44:40 called my name and then they called Stephanie Shue.

44:45 Because, you know, she was my, she wasn't my daughter in the movie,

44:50 but she was the other actress in the movies.

44:54 It would have felt wrong to me.

44:56 Right, right.

44:57 Cause she has a fantastic, she's fantastic in the movie.

45:01 Anyway, that was the moment of real exuberation, but I have it all on film.

45:06 Oh my gosh.

45:07 And that's the, like the last thing I ever

45:11 thought would happen in my life was that moment.

45:14 The rest of it was not like.

45:18 Like the rest of it, the night of it.

45:21 I went with my husband, we sat, the way, literally this happened.

45:26 We were sitting in the front row at the freaking Oscars and there was Michelle

45:32 and Key and Steph and then the Daniels were over there and I kneeled down,

45:39 we were in the front row on the left side.

45:42 And I kneel down in front of Michelle Yeoh and I looked at her, I said,

45:45 Michelle, Where are we right now?

45:48 She said, what do you mean?

45:49 I said, Michelle, where are we right now?

45:52 She said at the Oscars.

45:55 I said uh-huh.

45:58 At the Oscars.

45:59 She said, because we made a movie that people liked.

46:04 I said, uh-huh.

46:06 And where are we sitting?

46:09 And she said, in the front row.

46:11 I say, okay, great.

46:12 Just checking to make sure I'm like aware.

46:15 And then I went down the line, sat kneeled in front of Key.

46:19 Key, same thing.

46:20 Steph, same.

46:21 Be aware.

46:22 So when I say there we were in front row, all of us, literally.

46:26 It was the literal, you had already won.

46:27 It was like, yeah.

46:29 Michelle, he, Steph, all of us were like, wow, how did we get here?

46:35 And then of course, the miracle of all miracles is that we won.

46:39 You are so the anti superstar.

46:44 I mean, I just don't understand it.

46:46 Yeah.

46:47 And I think it's beautiful.

46:49 I think that's why people love you.

46:50 That's why I am in love with you.

46:53 Now you're flirting, Michelle.

46:54 You are one.

46:55 I'm a flirt.

46:56 I can do it too.

47:00 But you've changed the notion of what it means to age in the public eye.

47:06 And I'd love for you to talk about that.

47:10 Um, because I, I'm hoping that we are ushering

47:14 in all of us because I'm 62, you are 67.

47:20 We are in our sixties, which I think is the best time of life.

47:24 Without question.

47:26 Um, and I want to talk about that journey for yourself, how you feel.

47:30 It's like, you know, you're, you you're not, you,

47:32 you believe in aging, you know, You believe in the beauty of it.

47:36 Like shit happens, aging happens.

47:38 I mean, it's coming for all of us, by the way.

47:40 But that's not what Hollywood is all about.

47:42 Ah, you know, how do you use the problem?

47:45 It's not just Hollywood.

47:46 It's also the technology, it's also social media, it's all so filtering.

47:51 It's what we used to call airbrushing is now just filtering.

47:55 It's all fakery.

47:57 It's just the fakery, it's the cosmeceutical industrial complex,

48:02 which is as insidious in many ways

48:08 as the military industrial complex is about money.

48:12 So it's just about fricking money, right?

48:15 And it's the idea that you're gonna tell someone

48:19 that this is going to change you and make you better,

48:22 and therefore better means you'll be more loved, you'll will be more successful.

48:27 So it this cycle of bullshit, but it preys on our base insecurities.

48:36 You know, and for many people it's what they look like.

48:38 Now, I've never been pretty.

48:41 And I'm saying it out loud.

48:43 I'm not been, I wouldn't, I was, I wasn't pretty like that.

48:48 I wasn't pretty the way girls are pretty.

48:50 I was cute.

48:51 I was Cute.

48:51 I can look good.

48:52 I'm like, I can fully look good, but it's,

48:55 but that was not my, you weren't the traditional notion of pretty.

48:59 That was not my ticket.

49:00 And that's very important for me because that was never the thing I relied on.

49:06 I have succumbed and have talked about it many times.

49:09 To trying all the things.

49:12 I've sucked the fat, I've cut the fat.

49:16 I've tried to do the things that people do that everybody's doing,

49:21 and it doesn't work.

49:24 There are many things that happen.

49:25 When you say it doesn' work.

49:26 It doesn't, first of all, because the self-esteem issue,

49:29 because you ultimately are looking in the mirror and realizing you've used

49:33 something outside of yourself to change something to make you, quote, better.

49:38 But you're not better because you're still the same person as you were before.

49:43 I think it actually makes you feel

49:44 fraudulent and I think that it creates self-hatred.

49:48 And for me, accepting that I look the way I look is part of self-love.

49:56 Now, P, I did that magazine, as you know, years ago, More Magazine,

49:59 where I took off my clothes and the reason I

50:01 did that is because I was a cover girl of magazines.

50:05 And again, people were comparing themselves to me

50:07 the same way I would compare myself to someone else.

50:12 And I know what it feels like to look

50:14 at a picture of a beautiful woman and go, oh, oh.

50:18 Why isn't what's wrong with me?

50:20 I've got like, really?

50:21 I'm never going to look like that.

50:24 And so I in the one thing we haven't brought

50:28 up at all is that I also write books for children.

50:30 And the books I write for children are about...

50:34 Things.

50:34 They're not just nothing.

50:37 They are about issues and topics that plague

50:41 children as much as they plague adults.

50:43 I'd written a book about self-esteem.

50:45 It was called I'm Gonna Like Me Letting Off a Little Self-Esteem.

50:49 It's about self love.

50:51 How do you get it?

50:53 Esteemable acts is how you get self- esteem.

50:56 Back to your question of young people.

50:59 They feel like I don't know what to do, do something for someone else.

51:02 Boom!

51:03 There you go.

51:05 The dopamine hits, you're filling up with goodness.

51:11 It changes the way you do.

51:12 So I'm promoting a book for children about self-esteem.

51:18 And I was doing the cover of More magazine and I realized I was a liar.

51:25 Because if I was paying attention to what I wrote,

51:28 I wouldn't have done plastic surgery.

51:31 I wouldn't have done liposuction.

51:33 So I said, you know what?

51:35 I'm gonna take a picture of me in my undies

51:38 with no good light, no makeup, no hair.

51:42 I'm going to stand there au natural and you're gonna take

51:46 my picture and then you're going to let me get all dolled

51:50 up but you're to have to print those two pictures side

51:53 by side and you gonna have to say how long it took,

51:55 how much money it took how many people were involved.

52:00 And then I'll do that.

52:02 And that was something that was in 2001.

52:05 We're in 2026.

52:06 That was unheard of.

52:07 But that was even then me understanding that what we're selling is fraudulent.

52:15 It has only gotten crazier.

52:18 And by the way, I'm not proselytizing.

52:21 I know that some people have like,

52:24 I know there's a lot of weight loss questions out there right now.

52:28 If it actually helps people be healthier, God bless them.

52:46 Well, Jamie, we have a listener question.

52:50 As Jennifer Lewis said, I talk too much.

52:54 Way too much, I do.

52:56 Well, you're in between two opinionated women, which is.

52:59 And which is we have a listener question.

53:01 A G.

53:02 A G, a G.

53:04 My G.

53:05 I'm telling you right now.

53:06 Sorry.

53:06 What were you saying, Craig?

53:08 What do you want, Craig, I wouldn't like.

53:09 I'm going to start saying that word, Craig.

53:10 You to hear our listener question from Madeline and maybe offer some opinions.

53:15 Okay.

53:15 We have a question from Madeleine in Boston.

53:18 I am entering my senior year of college,

53:21 and it feels like my generation is unsure what the point

53:24 is in a time and world that is full of greed, unfairness, and loneliness.

53:29 How do you find purpose and drive to work

53:31 towards your interests and goals when it often feels

53:34 like there are only certain roots to be successful

53:36 and sustain a happy lifestyle from Madeline in Boston?

53:42 I mean, that's the question, right?

53:46 Purpose.

53:46 That's right.

53:48 Purpose, ultimately, it's find purpose that.

53:52 When you say or are feeling that you can't find your path to the purpose,

54:02 my experience with people over and over again

54:04 is put yourself in the path of anything, put yourself in the path of love,

54:09 put your self in the path of work, put you self in the path purpose.

54:15 Volunteer.

54:16 You want to feel purpose?

54:18 Go to a children's hospital and offer to volunteer

54:21 to be one of the helpers that work in hospitals.

54:27 The need is great out there in the world.

54:32 I think finding your purpose is putting yourself in the path of it.

54:36 You may not it is it may not as I've

54:39 I am a living example of that nothing in my life.

54:45 Represents what I thought or had even a fantasy what my life would be.

54:50 I had no idea.

54:51 I didn't have a purpose.

54:53 Keep your mind open.

54:55 And so for me, that's you find your purpose

54:58 by putting yourself in the path of it.

54:59 I just feel like people keep thinking purpose is going to to them.

55:04 That's right.

55:04 Love is going to come to them, work is going to come to them.

55:08 Success is going to come to them and it is not.

55:12 You have to go to it for it.

55:14 You have to go for it I'd want Madeline

55:22 to also think very carefully about how she's defining purpose, right?

55:31 Because I think that's some of the confusion these days

55:35 because purpose in this day and age right now,

55:39 this moment in time is fame, money, more.

55:46 It's, it's all.

55:48 It's all stuff.

55:50 It's acquiring.

55:53 It's superficial.

55:55 So when we talk about purpose, I think,

55:58 we are talking about something much more altruistic,

56:04 the dopamine hit that comes with engaging with other people.

56:10 So I want her to think beyond stuff,

56:14 even go to school, get your degree if you can afford it.

56:18 Have a good career, be able to support yourself,

56:23 but I know too many people who have all of that and more,

56:27 the billionaires in the world,

56:28 the millionaires, the people who are famous, the people have it all,

56:31 the people that you look at and think, well, I want their purpose.

56:34 And what they're doing isn't making them happy or whole.

56:37 It's not giving them self-esteem.

56:40 In fact, it's doing the opposite.

56:42 So I want Madeleine to think about working outside of herself.

56:48 And by the way, Madeline, tough name to have after Lily Allen's album.

56:56 Oh, yeah.

56:57 Craig doesn't understand that one.

56:59 You know what?

57:00 I'm going to play the whole thing for you.

57:01 It's going to blow your mind.

57:03 It's so genius.

57:05 Talk about a G, it's a G.

57:07 Anyway, but before we began this, I've talked a lot about like,

57:14 man, my work, my life.

57:15 But the truth is, I'm also a mom.

57:18 I'm a mother of two.

57:21 I've raised two children from birth through uncharted waters because I

57:29 had no role model to show me how to do it.

57:31 And every human being is different.

57:34 And there's been difference in our path with our children.

57:40 And our children were born through adoption.

57:43 And Um, our family was built through adoption

57:46 and we were talking at the beginning of the podcast

57:49 and the truth is All of this emotionality

57:54 That I have is really rooted in being their mother.

58:01 Like the- Oh my God, don't make me cry.

58:03 But the truth is that the greatest lessons,

58:08 the hardest days ever in my life, ever, have been being a parent.

58:15 Yeah.

58:16 And now a grandparent.

58:18 There we go.

58:19 And we were talking before and I needed to call my daughter and her husband.

58:27 To ask if it was okay.

58:31 But the idea that I would be this person at this age,

58:35 excuse my French, forget the movies,

58:38 forget the things, forget that, forget the shiny things.

58:43 The shiniest thing is a child.

58:46 Yes.

58:47 Oh my God.

58:48 The greatest gift is a childhood and getting

58:52 the privilege of raising them and learning.

58:56 How to help someone through their life,

59:00 and my husband and I became grandparents to our eldest daughter and her husband.

59:11 And...

59:15 Their baby boy was born in December.

59:24 And it was a week after Rob and Michelle.

59:29 And Rob and Michelle are her godparents, and they died on her birthday.

59:38 And my beautiful daughter, who loved them, as we all did,

59:48 managed to be able to metabolize that grief

59:52 and sadness as we have all had to do,

59:56 obviously, nothing greater than their children.

59:58 But as close friends, and I know.

1:00:03 Colleagues and friends and people we all admired.

1:00:07 And then my daughter and her husband brought

1:00:10 their son to this world a week later.

1:00:17 Life on life's harshest terms and life on life most beautiful terms.

1:00:24 Perfect terms, and the reason I brought it up is I remember where I was.

1:00:36 The day your husband was elected president,

1:00:40 because my daughter called me from a party that she and her friends were at.

1:00:46 My daughter was in college.

1:00:49 And I remember where I was sitting in a hotel,

1:00:53 talking on the phone with my daughter about the possibility that the world

1:00:59 was gonna change because of the election and because of you,

1:01:03 you and your husband.

1:01:05 Stepping up saying, we're here to help you.

1:01:09 And I remember where I was that day.

1:01:12 And now that daughter has brought a little grandson into our lives and the joy.

1:01:19 Talk about, I never thought I would have children.

1:01:22 I never though in my wildest dreams I would be a grandma.

1:01:27 A granny.

1:01:28 Granny.

1:01:28 I want to be granny.

1:01:29 Granny.

1:01:30 But so it has just been.

1:01:33 An extraordinary connection.

1:01:35 And when I called my daughter today to say, hey, I'm about to do this.

1:01:41 We have never talked about it.

1:01:42 It's been a private matter.

1:01:48 We live in a world, many people know, in our circle,

1:01:54 many, many, people know that, you know, we're grandparents.

1:01:59 One of these days, somebody's gonna say something, and I am getting to say it,

1:02:04 and when I called my daughter and said,

1:02:06 you know I'm about to do this thing, I think it's gonna come up.

1:02:10 How would you feel about me talking about it?

1:02:17 And she said.

1:02:19 Tell her I love her.

1:02:22 My daughter, Annie, said, tell her.

1:02:25 I love her!

1:02:28 You are loved and so respected that she would say,

1:02:34 yes, mom, you can talk about it to Michelle Obama.

1:02:39 Cause she's a G, cause she loves you because you represented love

1:02:45 in the world and you brought love to the White House and beyond.

1:02:52 And so it's really thrilling to me that the First time I'm going

1:03:00 to say to the universe that I became a granny is here with you

1:03:06 and that it was and that she said that I could do it because

1:03:11 it was you because of what you've

1:03:13 represented to her and her generation of young.

1:03:20 Um, how much respect we have for you and your husband and, uh, Well, that too.

1:03:25 You too, Craig.

1:03:28 Thank you.

1:03:30 But that's for Madeline.

1:03:32 Your aura is very strong.

1:03:35 Because we know from the ring.

1:03:38 I just, I'm, I, that's anyway, that is the truth.

1:03:48 That's what she said to me.

1:03:50 For Madeleine.

1:03:51 And Madeleines, I am so sorry.

1:03:52 No, but this is, the point being...

1:03:58 So many wonderful things have happened to all of us in the world,

1:04:02 so many tangible things.

1:04:05 But knowing that you can impact people's lives in that way,

1:04:10 like that's purpose and that's a purpose that sustained you through ugly

1:04:16 stuff and name calling and lies and it fills you up fully.

1:04:23 And I want young people to understand that, right?

1:04:26 Like you don't Like money doesn't buy that impact.

1:04:32 Titles don't give it to you.

1:04:33 It's how you show up in the world That matters and the only

1:04:38 thing that people are going to remember at the end That's right.

1:04:41 And that's the shiny thing That's to me.

1:04:45 Yeah um That's what madeline should That's what we all should be working toward.

1:04:52 For sure.

1:04:52 And that's what you and your husband worked toward.

1:04:54 And that the gift that you guys gave us.

1:04:56 And that was the hope that you offered us.

1:05:00 And I believe that, well, I know you've changed the world for the better.

1:05:04 And I belief that the times are gonna change.

1:05:10 And I think our better minds are

1:05:14 going to start paying attention to the corruption.

1:05:18 The greed, the avarice, the hatred, the misogyny, the homophobia,

1:05:26 the violence perpetrated by this administration in the name of America.

1:05:34 I believe that will change.

1:05:36 And I believe the example that we will lead

1:05:40 toward is the example you and your husband give us.

1:05:43 So if I get to say nothing else on this, I got to say that to your face.

1:05:47 Thank you very much for everything that you

1:05:51 have done for all of us, and you, too.

1:05:58 What, Craig?

1:06:00 Thank you!

1:06:00 What?

1:06:02 Craig?

1:06:03 Hey, sometimes you just have to get rebound.

1:06:06 Oh You don't have to score sometimes you just play D And by the way,

1:06:14 there's your gift to Madeleine, that's your answer to Madeley.

1:06:18 That's right.

1:06:19 Sometimes you're just the, you're, you are, you are just the teammate.

1:06:24 Yeah.

1:06:25 And you can be a good teammate.

1:06:26 You are a good teammate, but Jamie, thank you.

1:06:29 Thank you.

1:06:29 Thank you for this.

1:06:31 Thank you.

1:06:32 Powerful.

1:06:34 Ah, thank you.