I Explored the World's First Nuclear Power Plant (and How It Works) - Smarter Every Day 306

I Explored the World's First Nuclear Power Plant (and How It Works) - Smarter Every Day 306

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0:00 [Click] A third of the electricity in my house comes from nuclear power.

0:05 That's how this sign is lighting up.

0:07 There's a nuclear power plant down the road.

0:09 It's making the electricity flow through this gas, and it's lighting things up.

0:13 You know what else is powering?

0:14 These lights right here.

0:15 Today on Smarter Every Day,

0:16 we're going to start something that I've been wanting to do for oh so very long.

0:20 I just haven't done it because I've been

0:22 a little nervous because I want to get it right.

0:24 We're going to start the Smarter Every Day Deep Dive series into nuclear power.

0:30 I want to get this deep dive series right because

0:32 when people hear the term nuclear, it's a loaded term.

0:36 I mean, most people come to their awareness of the raw

0:39 physical power of atomic energy through knowledge of atomic weaponry.

0:43 We've rightfully been taught for years to fear these weapons.

0:48 What are you supposed to do when you see the flash?

0:50 Duck and cover.

0:53 Tony knows the bomb can explode any time of the year, day or night.

0:57 He's ready for it.

0:58 Duck and cover.

0:59 At Boy, Tony, that flash means act fast.

1:02 [D] In order to do this right,

1:04 I want to move from knowledge to understanding about how such

1:07 an incredibly powerful thing can be harnessed safely for the good of humanity.

1:12 So I think an appropriate place to start is the first place that ever happened.

1:17 EBR-1, the world's first nuclear power plant.

1:21 How did it work?

1:22 We're going to figure that out today,

1:23 and we're going to gain an understanding of nuclear power.

1:26 That's what I want to do with this deep dive series.

1:29 We're going to see people handling nuclear waste.

1:31 We're going to meet this long-haired guy

1:33 that's glass-blowing to measure temperatures inside nuclear reactors.

1:36 We're going to meet people that make this stuff happen,

1:39 and they're interesting, and they're smart,

1:41 and they're compelling, and I'm excited.

1:43 So here we go.

1:44 This is the first video of many of the nuclear

1:47 power deep dive series here on Smarter Every Day.

1:49 So make sure you're subscribed,

1:50 maybe even sign up for the email list because these videos are incredible.

1:55 I don't know if you know this, but there are 17

1:57 Department of Energy national labs all throughout country here in America.

2:01 These places do all kinds of incredible research that's

2:03 going to help us have a new clean power future,

2:06 and I'm really excited about that.

2:08 To get started, let's go to a very interesting place.

2:12 If you want to learn about nuclear reactors, the best place to do it is out here

2:16 in the middle of Idaho at a place called Idaho National Laboratory.

2:22 Let's go get smarter every day and learn about nuclear power.

2:25 [upbeat guitar riff] So about an hour outside of Idaho Falls,

2:33 Idaho, there's a building that was made in the '50s.

2:36 This is the home of EBR-1, Experimental Breeder Reactor 1.

2:40 And I went inside and met Andrew,

2:42 who's going to show us all about how EBR-1 worked.

2:45 Okay, here we are at EBR-1, and this is Andrew.

2:48 [A] Hello, folks.

2:49 [D] You're going to walk us around, right?

2:51 [A] Yeah, I suppose so.

2:52 I'm not sure, did you have any specific questions for me?

2:55 Do you want to just look around and take a look at everything?

2:57 [D] Yes, I do.

2:58 Ebr, what What does the EBR stand for?

3:01 [A] That's experimental breeder reactor 1.

3:03 We had breeder piles before this, but they weren't technically reactors.

3:07 This is the first real breeder reactor.

3:09 [D] What is a breeder reactor?

3:10 What does that mean?

3:11 [A] Ultimately, a breeder reactor is taking uranium-238,

3:14 bombarding it with fast neutrons to produce plutonium-239.

3:16 [D] Okay, don't freak out.

3:18 I know that was a lot of words,

3:19 but we are totally going to understand what he just said.

3:22 [A] It's best to start upstairs.

3:24 [D] Let's do it.

3:25 I'm following you.

3:25 This looks awesome, by the way.

3:27 [A] I mean, this place was built in two years, which is truely incredible.

3:31 I always joke with people who come through that I'm not

3:33 sure that we could build a shed in two years nowadays,

3:35 let alone a whole reactor.

3:36 [D] By the way, I just went to the restroom a minute ago,

3:39 and it just looks cool because you can...

3:42 I'm sorry, I'm going to do this.

3:44 You can see all of Idaho wilderness out there.

3:51 It looks awesome.

3:53 It's just a cool place.

3:55 The fonts are great.

3:57 I love it.

3:58 [A] I think we'll probably start in here just get a bit of a rundown of things.

4:01 [D] All right.

4:02 [A] This diagram helps me explain breeding just a little bit.

4:05 There are two isotopes of uranium that occur naturally, 235 and 238.

4:11 Uranium 235 is what's useful to us in a reactor.

4:14 That's an a unstable atom,

4:15 we can break it apart and harness the energy from that breaking.

4:18 Unfortunately, 99.

4:20 3% of uranium is 238, which is too stable to be split,

4:25 but you can use it to make plutonium.

4:27 What you have to do is separate the 235

4:30 from the 238 until you've got a concentrated amount,

4:32 and then you can build a breeder reactor.

4:35 [D] Now, so you're breeding plutonium?

4:36 [A] Yes, sir.

4:37 [D] So you're making plutonium?

4:38 [A] Mm-hmm.

4:39 [D] And that's what's actually giving you, ultimately, the electricity?

4:43 [A] Not in this case.

4:44 The uranium 235 is running double duty.

4:47 It splits.

4:48 In the process of splitting,

4:49 some of that mass has transformed directly into heat.

4:52 That's what we're going to use to make electricity like a coal-burning plant.

4:56 But it also releases neutrons, and we can use the excess fast neutrons

4:59 that aren't needed for splitting extra uranium to breed plutonium.

5:03 [D] Nuclear power is intimidating for people to understand, myself included.

5:07 As a result of that, I have spent a lot

5:09 of time with Flannel and googly eyes and 3D printing some stuff,

5:13 and we're going to take a stab at understanding this, okay so,

5:16 Andrew said there are two things going on at EBR-1.

5:19 He said there's heating, and he also said there's breathing.

5:23 These are two separate things.

5:25 Heeding is how we make the electricity.

5:27 Let's focus on that right now.

5:28 We'll talk about breeding later.

5:30 So how does a nuclear power plant, in this case, EBR-1, make heat?

5:34 Let's start with a very important atom.

5:37 It's uranium-235.

5:39 And in this little example here,

5:42 all the protons are red and the neutrons are blue.

5:45 I want to introduce you to Our Hero.

5:47 This is a fast neutron.

5:49 And when you see this fast neutron, I want you to think of this.

5:51 Wee Wee Wee!!

5:53 [Destin laughs] It's so silly, but this is what makes nuclear power possible.

5:58 So we've got this this fast neutron hitting uranium-235.

6:03 Now, one thing to remember about uranium-235 is it's

6:06 about 0.7% of all the uranium in the environment.

6:10 The rest of it, what is it?

6:13 99.3%.

6:13 Those are all different isotopes of uranium.

6:16 So when this fast neutron hits uranium-235, it's not like a billiard ball,

6:21 ballistically, like blowing up all the protons and neutrons.

6:25 It's a different thing.

6:26 It fundamentally changes the nature of this atom,

6:30 and it's no longer uranium-235, it turns in to uranium-236.

6:36 Now, I've got these different color googly eyes to represent

6:38 the fact that uranium-236 is a little bit different.

6:42 It's spicy.

6:43 So uranium-236 It's really deep on the periodic table.

6:46 There's a lot of forces at work.

6:48 It doesn't want to hold itself together.

6:50 It's not as stable as uranium-235.

6:53 So this exists for a very short amount of time,

6:55 and then something interesting happens.

6:57 It actually splits.

6:58 This is fission.

7:00 It splits the atom into two new atoms.

7:04 This is not a chemical reaction.

7:06 This is fission.

7:07 We are splitting that atom into two new atoms,

7:10 and they're very surprised to exist.

7:12 Of course, they are different atoms.

7:14 We've got krypton, and we've got barium.

7:17 So these new atoms exist.

7:19 But the act of splitting that atom has a byproduct that's very,

7:23 very important, and that is heat.

7:25 So I'm going to add heat to the board here.

7:27 So we've created two new atoms, and we've created all this heat.

7:32 And if we're clever, we can use that heat to create electricity.

7:38 But there's another thing that happens as well,

7:39 and it's going to take me just a second to get all my heat on the board here.

7:41 So we've got these new atoms.

7:44 We've got all this heat, but there's something else that happens.

7:47 We actually create three new fast neutrons,

7:51 or I guess they kick off of the fission.

7:53 So you've got these fast neutrons going off into space.

7:57 Wee, wee, wee.

7:58 They're just flying off.

7:59 So So everything you see on the board here was

8:03 in that uranium 235 atom when it was hit by one fast neutron.

8:08 So if you think about it,

8:09 we can think of that uranium 235 atom almost like a spring loaded mousetrap.

8:14 It's got potential energy, and it's stored up,

8:15 and it's even got these three extra fast neutrons over here.

8:19 And when you hit it, it'll spring off and it'll do crazy things.

8:23 So if we think about that, and then we cleverly arrange

8:27 a bunch more uranium U235 atoms out here around that initial fission event,

8:35 then we can do a really cool thing.

8:37 With that fast neutron that's kicking off the splitting of the atom,

8:40 it can go over here.

8:41 And if there's another U235 atom in the proximity,

8:44 it can slap it and trigger it,

8:47 and then you create this whole thing all over again,

8:49 creating heat and three more fast neutrons.

8:52 Wee wee wee!!

8:54 [mouse traps snapping] So by cleverly arranging U235 atoms around each other,

9:00 scientists and engineers can create more fast neutrons

9:04 from one fast neutron triggering a U235 atom.

9:08 It's almost like a bunch of mousetraps ready to go.

9:10 And if you cleverly arrange them, you can create heat at the rate that you want.

9:15 So by controlling the proximity or the probability of the interaction

9:19 of these fast neutrons with these other U235 atoms,

9:23 scientists and engineers can control how much heat

9:26 is created in the reactor, which is amazing.

9:29 We're going to learn more from Andrew as we learn more about the plant,

9:32 but I have some more felt stuff later

9:34 that has electric motors attached to the board,

9:36 and I think you're going to enjoy that.

9:38 What's your deal, Andrew?

9:39 Are you a student?

9:40 What's your deal, man?

9:41 I got to know.

9:43 [A] So I'm a mechanical engineering student.

9:44 I just have a deep love of history, so I wanted to work out here,

9:48 get some public outreach before I'm stuck behind a desk.

9:50 [D] You're not going to be stuck behind a desk being a mechanical engineer.

9:54 You're going to be building awesome things, man, like reactors.

9:57 [A] That's true.

9:58 I'm more meant just...

9:59 I get to I'll talk to people in interface with the public while

10:01 I'm out here because there's so many

10:03 misconceptions around this technology and its safety.

10:04 But this is the first reactor ever really made to produce electricity,

10:09 and it has a bunch of inbuilt safety

10:11 features that most people wouldn't have even expected.

10:14 [D] Is this how EBR That one worked?

10:15 [A] Yeah, essentially.

10:17 [D] So the reactor, and then that's liquid going through there.

10:22 [A] Yeah, it's a liquid metal.

10:23 It's a bit unique compared to most modern designs.

10:25 We used a mixture of sodium and potassium.

10:28 It's a liquid metal eutectic, which means if you get the right alloy,

10:31 it has a lower melting point than either of the base elements.

10:34 In this case, like mercury, it's liquid at room temperature.

10:37 They had to use a liquid metal because water absorbs and slows down neutrons,

10:40 and they needed fast neutrons to produce plutonium.

10:43 So they had to find a way to make the liquid metal work,

10:46 and that's why the system looks a bit weird.

10:48 Technically- [D] Yeah, it usually goes from here to here.

10:51 [A] Yeah.

10:51 [D] And you don't have this loop right here.

10:54 [A] Technically, to make this function, you wouldn't even need this middle loop,

10:58 but it's there for a pretty good reason.

11:00 If you were ever to have a breach between

11:02 these two pipe systems that allow the two coolants to mix,

11:04 you'd get a pretty big explosion.

11:06 The alkaline liquid metal will basically rip

11:09 the hydrogen off the oxygen in the H2O, so you do get an explosive reaction.

11:14 They would not want that to be highly radioactive.

11:16 So by splitting up the liquid metal loops this way,

11:19 the highly radioactive coolant is sequestered in this first loop.

11:22 That provides one level of safety.

11:24 There's a second level that exists in the secondary heat exchanger.

11:27 We'll talk about that downstairs.

11:28 [D] All right, Andrew did a great job explaining everything, but selfishly,

11:31 I just wanted to build it and play with it to understand it better.

11:34 So that's what we're going to do.

11:35 The first thing I want to talk about is the fact that they use liquid metal.

11:38 That's a pretty big deal.

11:39 So I purchased some Gallium,

11:41 which is a room temperature liquid metal that you can just buy and play with.

11:46 It's really fun to see a metal flow like a liquid.

11:49 But why did they do that?

11:51 That's a really strange design choice.

11:53 So the fast neutrons, when they kick off of a uranium 235 atom,

11:57 those things are going 14,000 kilometers per second.

12:01 Very, very fast.

12:03 The thing about fast neutrons is when they go through water, they slow down.

12:07 So if you have just water like this, there's a bunch of hydrogen atoms in there,

12:12 and that fast neutron will interact with them, and it'll slow down to 2 km/s.

12:17 That's not good if you want to use this as a breeder reactor,

12:21 which is what they wanted to do.

12:22 So there's this other material called NAK, sodium and potassium.

12:25 You can see how it gets its name right here,

12:29 NA for sodium, K for NAK is not a moderator like that.

12:33 So the fast neutrons will just zip through

12:36 this, and it's also a really good conductor of heat.

12:39 So it makes an ideal liquid to transfer heat away from the reactor.

12:43 So the first two loops in EBR-1 were NAK, and the third loop was water.

12:49 Now, just like Andrew said,

12:51 that first loop is isolated from the second loop so that if you

12:56 did have NAK come in contact with water because that doesn't work well,

12:59 it It'll explode if that happens.

13:01 If you have an explosion, you don't want it to be a radioactive explosion.

13:04 So you isolate all the radioactive stuff over here in loop one.

13:08 And then, well, let's just see,

13:10 how do we get heat from the reactor all the way over there?

13:13 So let's look inside of our loops here.

13:15 You see, there's our reactor.

13:16 That's just a heat exchanger.

13:18 That's a heat exchanger with some steam in it.

13:20 Okay, so let's look at how this works.

13:22 So I've got this little setup here.

13:24 I've got a little distribution panel so I can turn things on and off.

13:27 I've got a bunch of motors and stuff behind the board there.

13:31 I'm going to show you how this works.

13:32 So first of all, let's turn our reactor on.

13:34 I'm going to take this and move it up,

13:36 and we'll understand why that turns the reactor on later.

13:40 So our reactor is now running, and we are creating heat inside the reactor.

13:46 The problem is if we just keep making heat over

13:48 and over and over and never do anything with it,

13:50 it'll just sit there and melt everything down.

13:53 So we have to move the heat away from the reactor.

13:56 And the way we do that is with NAK.

13:57 So we're going to turn this little pump on here,

14:00 and we're going to pump NAK through the system through this heat exchanger.

14:04 So that gets us to the second loop.

14:07 So the interface between loop one and loop

14:10 two is basically a pipe within a pipe.

14:12 That's a heat exchanger.

14:14 So there mechanically isolated from a fluid perspective,

14:17 but they're not thermally isolated.

14:19 They're actually thermally coupled.

14:21 Pipe within a pipe, that's a heat exchanger.

14:23 And once we get here, we can just simply turn on another pump here

14:26 and we can pump the heat over to the third loop.

14:29 Now, the The third loop is important because we have water in there.

14:34 When you heat up water past a certain point, as you know, you make steam.

14:39 That steam can be converted to mechanical power.

14:43 We're going to take thermal power move it all the way down

14:46 and convert it to mechanical power by activating this turbine right here.

14:51 At that point right there,

14:53 we can use that to turn a generator and all kinds of things like that.

14:56 As the steam goes through the turbine, it loses energy,

15:00 and we can condense it back into water, and we can send it back into the loop.

15:05 We can just use this loop right here over and over and over.

15:09 And if we hook a generator up right there, we can actually create electricity.

15:15 So that's what we're going to do right now.

15:16 Let's hook up our...

15:19 Let's just hook up those wires.

15:20 And there we have it.

15:22 Light.

15:22 We have done it.

15:23 We've created the world's first nuclear power plant.

15:27 We've gone from nuclear power, thermal energy all the way to electricity.

15:32 This is the world's first nuclear power plant, EBR-1.

15:36 And remember, this is a fast reactor.

15:38 There's two types of reactors, a fast reactor, which uses fast neutrons,

15:43 or a thermal reactor, which uses a moderator which slows down the neutrons.

15:48 That's not what EBR-1 was.

15:50 And the reason they wanted a fast reactor is because of the breathing process,

15:54 which we'll learn more about later from Andrew.

15:56 But now that we know how all this works, let's go learn how they controlled it.

16:01 [A] All right, let's take a look at the control room next.

16:03 [D] I love your tour style, Andrew.

16:07 It's great.

16:08 You've refined it, haven't you?

16:09 [A] Yeah, I've had a bit of practice out here.

16:11 [Destin laughs] [D] All right.

16:13 Is this control room?

16:14 [A] Yeah, this is the control room.

16:15 [D] Is this where originally, this is the original control room?

16:19 [A] Yeah, essentially everything in here is original.

16:22 There are a couple of pipe systems I've noticed throughout

16:24 the building that changed as they updated the reactor core,

16:26 but that's basically it.

16:27 Everything else is in the position it had It started in the '50s.

16:31 Primary coolant was metal.

16:32 [A] Yep.

16:34 [D] All of this these are measuring the temperature.

16:38 [A] I love these paper graphs.

16:40 They measure time radially,

16:42 so 24 hours is a full circle and amplitude is measure from inside out.

16:46 It's so simple and beautiful,

16:47 and it makes perfect sense if they had to switch these out every day.

16:50 [D] Yeah.

16:51 Do you have any of the old blanks?

16:53 [A] I don't know if we do or not.

16:54 I'm sure that they exist somewhere, but I don't have access to them.

16:57 Okay, so here is an actual drawing.

17:02 Yeah, you can see it.

17:03 It's pretty cool.

17:05 Oh, midnight right there.

17:06 Midnight.

17:06 So what time is it right now?

17:08 It is 2: 30-ish.

17:10 So midnight would go 2: 30.

17:11 So right here, that is the temperature at that time.

17:17 I just don't know how to measure it.

17:19 Okay.

17:20 [A] Yeah, they're a bit hard to read,

17:22 but there is something really nice about these old systems.

17:24 I've had some old nuke's come through,

17:26 and they tell me that with this very analog of recording data,

17:30 it can be really intuitive for the human brain

17:33 because you can look at the circle and see

17:35 what portions of the data are larger or smaller

17:37 as far as amplitude goes and read it very quickly.

17:40 In a modern digital system, you'll have maybe a catalog of 10,000

17:44 entries for whatever the amplitude is you're recording.

17:47 And oftentimes, that's harder to understand for the human

17:50 brain than looking at something like this.

17:51 You can pick trends out a lot quicker with this.

17:54 [D] Okay, this is unrelated to nuclear power, but I think you'll enjoy it.

17:57 So I am working on my PhD, and and as a part of the PhD,

18:00 I'm trying to do what's called modeling and simulation

18:03 of an event that I did back in the day.

18:06 Two objects clashing together at a very high rate of speed.

18:09 It's really fascinating.

18:10 But what I'm trying to do is I'm

18:13 trying to create a digital version of that event,

18:15 and then I'm going to do what's called finite element analysis.

18:18 Basically, I take the objects and I divide them up into little finite elements.

18:25 And then when you do that, you can calculate the forces going

18:28 in one of the triangles and then the force is going out,

18:31 except it's in three-dimensional space.

18:33 And then you can use that data to go back and you can measure with math,

18:39 you can measure the stress all along the impact surface of these objects.

18:43 Now, I'm doing this on a computer, which I want to go show you now.

18:47 So let's go in there and check that out.

18:49 Okay, this is my workstation.

18:50 It's a special computer made by Puget Systems to run very complicated software.

18:55 This is a piece of software called Ellis's Dina.

18:57 Actually, this is Ansys, and I'm running LS Dina simulation on it.

19:02 Now, the thing is, I can only run this simulation on this machine,

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20:39 That's the data.

20:40 It looks pretty cool.

20:42 Thanks for considering.

20:43 This is amazing.

20:45 This is incredible.

20:48 They hand-calibrated.

20:53 [A] You'll see these notes all throughout the facility.

20:56 Basically, every system, they were learning for the first time.

20:58 So as they figured out how to it, they'd write notes so that the next person

21:01 to do it basically had a baseline to work from.

21:05 [D] This is incredible.

21:06 What they're doing is they're calibrating.

21:08 They have an analog measurement here and tank level in inches.

21:14 This is a curve.

21:15 And so this is how to read this.

21:17 If I said I've got two amps, I would say two amps.

21:21 Oh, that is 30, 35 inches is how much fuel is

21:28 in my tank or whatever this What is in your tank?

21:31 Primary drain tank.

21:33 Okay, I appreciate this so much.

21:37 I used to do instrumentation, and one of the first things we would do

21:40 is we have to make the curve for your instrument,

21:44 and you set the low-end and the high-end,

21:45 and then you figure out how it all works.

21:48 I've never seen that technique, and it's awesome.

21:51 I'm sorry.

21:52 That was a little too much geeking out there, Andrew.

21:55 [A] Believe me, I'm all for it.

21:56 [Destin laughs] [D] That's awesome.

21:59 [A] Then there's one particularly important button I always like to talk about,

22:03 and that is, of course, the Scram button.

22:05 If I press this while the reactor was operational,

22:07 it would be shut down in about four seconds.

22:10 From the beginning of these reactor designs,

22:12 they knew they had to be shut down quickly if the power

22:15 was rising quicker than they could really ameliorate it in another sense.

22:19 This system has two different ways of scramming.

22:22 One of them would insert the control rods all

22:24 the way and it would slow it down over time,

22:26 and then it was ready to start up immediately.

22:28 The other Scram system, which was, I think, pulled from this bully here,

22:32 would drop the outside blanket immediately decreasing the reactivity to zero,

22:36 and that would shut it down immediately.

22:37 The only problem is they could not start back up quickly.

22:41 They'd have to go through a process of making sure the blanket was good to go.

22:44 Took about an hour before they could fully restart it.

22:46 [D] That's a serious scram.

22:48 This is the more graceful scram, and then this is the, Oh, heck.

22:57 Let's grab that ring and pull it.

22:59 [A] It used down a lot further, but kids thought it was fun to swing on.

23:02 [D] Oh, yes, it goes up.

23:03 Oh, that's interesting.

23:04 It's in the middle of the room, so anybody could pull it.

23:06 [A] Yeah.

23:07 [D] Okay.

23:08 I could spend too much time in here.

23:10 Should we go to the next place?

23:12 Time to talk about breeding.

23:14 Now, reading is a very special thing.

23:17 We can make nuclear fuel from nuclear fuel,

23:21 and it starts with a uranium-238 atom.

23:25 You remember when we were talking about uranium-235,

23:28 this is about 0.7% of all the uranium you'll find in the world,

23:33 whereas uranium-238 is more prevalent.

23:35 It's about 99.3%.

23:38 Now, when we did the fission thing earlier

23:40 and we kicked off these little fast neutrons,

23:42 when a fast neutron comes in contact,

23:44 wee, with uranium-238, that creates uranium-239.

23:52 You can tell from his eyes that he's just a little bit spicy, right?

23:55 So the uranium-239 exists for a while, but then about 23 minutes later,

24:02 give or take, we have a really interesting thing that happens.

24:05 We kick off an electron,

24:07 and we have this process called beta decay that happens inside the atom.

24:11 Some neutrons and protons, they'd switch rolls.

24:15 It's strange.

24:16 And then we end up creating,

24:18 as a result of this beta decay, neptunium-239, completely different element.

24:24 You can tell he's very different.

24:26 So after this time, we have another beta decay event.

24:30 That beta decay event happens around 2-3 days later.

24:35 We kick off one more electron.

24:37 We have some stuff happen in the nucleus again.

24:39 And then we create the ultimate spicy element,

24:43 which is plutonium 239 that comes into existence.

24:48 Now, the thing about this process is

24:51 you're making nuclear fuel from nuclear fuel.

24:55 And in fact, you can make more atoms of plutonium

24:58 239 than put in to begin with of uranium 235,

25:02 which is a very special trait for a nuclear reactor to have.

25:06 In order to do all this, you have to get a fast

25:08 neutron to hit the nucleus of a U238 atom, so it becomes U239.

25:13 But that doesn't happen all the time.

25:15 Sometimes these fast neutrons bounce off,

25:17 and the engineers and scientists that designed

25:19 EBR-1 used that to actually run the reactor.

25:23 It was pretty interesting what they did.

25:25 [A] Let's head out this door and see the reactor itself.

25:27 [D] What?

25:29 [A] Very close by.

25:32 [D] This is it?

25:34 [A] Yep.

25:36 It doesn't look like much, but this is a relatively small reactor.

25:41 So right now we're standing on the radiation shield for the reactor.

25:44 I would call it a containment vessel, but technically they're a bit different.

25:47 Containment vessels are essentially meant to hold

25:50 in the products if they have a meltdown.

25:52 This is just a big radiation shield.

25:54 Normally, there'd also be a big plug right here

25:56 that would prevent radiation from coming out of the core.

25:58 But now that it's been decommissioned,

25:59 they can safely take that plug out and let us look inside.

26:02 The core itself is just below that machinery.

26:05 We'd feed fuel rods into it through that machinery,

26:07 and the core is set up using these hexagonal assemblies.

26:10 The center seven contain the uranium 235 that's propagating the chain reaction,

26:15 while the outside ring of hexagonal assemblies contains 238 to breed plutonium.

26:21 There's not uranium in all 10 feet of these rods.

26:24 It's only in the eight and a half inch heat zone near the bottom,

26:26 about a football-size zone.

26:28 That's where all that reaction would take place.

26:30 For this particular reactor, they operated using about 60 kilograms of fuel,

26:35 and that means that there wasn't enough for it to go critical by itself.

26:39 That's why this outside breeding blanket was necessary.

26:42 It acted as essentially a reflector.

26:44 It's made of 84 bricks of uranium-238.

26:47 They're set up in this cup shape on an elevator just below the reactor core.

26:52 The hydraulic elevator would bring that up around

26:53 the core when it was ready to turn on.

26:56 It'll reflect neutrons back inside and give you

26:58 enough neutron flux for the reaction to occur.

27:00 So we didn't use control rods for startup and shutdown.

27:02 We use this for startup and shutdown.

27:05 [D] That blanket.

27:06 Okay, remember our board with all the stuff on it?

27:08 I'm going to put you on this tripod right here so we

27:11 can look at how to start up and shut down the reactor.

27:14 All right, so let's check it out.

27:16 So as we raise the blanket, we start the nuclear reaction.

27:20 And to stop the reaction, we just drop the blanket.

27:23 That's how this works.

27:24 So we have a physical control now for nuclear power,

27:29 and that's how they came with that.

27:30 And to explain what exactly is going on there,

27:33 I'm going to have to change out the board to the other board.

27:36 So let me do that now.

27:38 Okay, let's build the reactor from the top down.

27:41 So over here on the right, this is the top down view of the reactor.

27:45 The red is U235 enriched.

27:48 The outside is U238.

27:50 Over here, we've got the U235 atom and the U238.

27:54 So this is like the conceptual model.

27:56 This is the top down view of the reactor.

27:58 So let's look at how this works.

27:59 So So when we get a fission event from U235,

28:03 we're kicking off those three neutrons, right?

28:06 Those three fast neutrons.

28:07 Wee, wee, wee!!

28:08 They're flying out here.

28:10 They're going really fast, right?

28:11 Sometimes they will interact with the U238, and you might get breeding.

28:15 So if you look at over here, that would be leaving U235 and interacting

28:19 with the U238 atoms out here in this inner blanket, they call it, right?

28:24 So when it does that, sometimes it'll create plutonium,

28:27 sometimes it'll bounce it back into the U235 to sustain the fission reaction.

28:33 However, because of the arrangement, sometimes these neutrons,

28:36 they don't hit anything and they just keep going.

28:39 That's what the blanket is for.

28:40 If we were to put a neutron mirror,

28:42 let's think about it like that right there, there.

28:45 And on the top down view like that, then this is what happens.

28:49 So if the fast neutron flies, it misses the U238 and it keeps going

28:55 and it hits this big wall of U238 atoms, right?

29:00 These bricks of U238, it hits this wall, it reflects, then it will bounce back,

29:05 and that increases the statistical probability

29:08 that it's going to hit a U235 atom.

29:11 So your chances of sustaining a fission reaction goes way

29:15 up because you're getting two shots with those neutrons, right?

29:18 Well, maybe not two because some of them just keep going, but you get the idea.

29:22 So it leaves the inner core.

29:23 It goes past the inner breathing blanket,

29:26 which is cooled by liquid metal, NAK, if you recall.

29:29 And then it goes out to the outer breathing blanket,

29:32 and then it sometimes will bounce back into the core.

29:35 That's why applying...

29:37 If I did this, then it's very unlikely that it's going to bounce back.

29:41 But if I did this, then we're going to bounce neutrons back into the core.

29:44 That's why raising and lowering the breeding blanket is so important,

29:48 and that's why they could turn on and off the reaction.

29:51 If they balance the amount of U238 and where

29:54 it is and how many neutrons can go where,

29:56 they can just flip a switch and turn on or off the reactor,

30:00 which is fascinating.

30:02 That would come up and down?

30:03 [A] Yep.

30:04 Originally, they had it set up so it can only be fully up or fully down,

30:08 but they realized that that wasn't ideal,

30:09 so they added in some hydraulic control systems so you can get more fine-tuning.

30:13 This is also where our control rods would go into.

30:16 We did have eight control rods,

30:17 but they'd go into the outside blanket for fine-tuning.

30:19 As the reactivity of these rods decreases over the nine-month lifespan,

30:23 they'd pull the control rod so they could get the same power out.

30:26 [D] The outer blanket would move up and down?

30:28 [A] Yes, sir.

30:29 [D] If comes up, what happens?

30:31 [A] If you bring it up, it'll increase reactivity until eventually you

30:35 reach criticality and the reaction starts.

30:37 [D] Because it's reflecting neutrons back in towards the fuel?

30:40 [A] Yep.

30:40 This is also breeding plutonium.

30:42 That's why it was made of uranium-238.

30:44 [D] Okay.

30:45 You have to lift it in order for it to activate, and so gravity is your friend.

30:51 Yep, and that's why our Scram system works in an incredibly simple way.

30:54 When they scram this facility, rather than dropping control rods into the core,

30:58 which is how it works for almost all modern facilities,

31:00 it'll empty the hydraulic systems that hold the breeding

31:03 blanket up and drop that down into the basement.

31:05 [D] So it just opens a valve?

31:06 [A] Yep.

31:07 [D] Okay.

31:08 [A] That would shut it down in about four seconds,

31:09 but it would take an hour to restart if they scrammed it that way.

31:12 That's why they had two separate scram systems.

31:15 [D] Are these actual fuel rod assemblies?

31:18 [A] I think these are just mock-up assemblies and rods,

31:20 but they are all exactly the size of the originals.

31:24 [D] That's cool.

31:26 And there was fluid in there, I'm assuming.

31:28 Was there water?

31:29 [A] Not water.

31:30 This would be the liquid metal cool part of the system.

31:33 Right up here on top under the plug, there would be a layer of argon gas.

31:37 That would prevent oxygen from ever getting down into the coolant.

31:40 It could ignite the coolant if it comes into contact with air due to the oxygen.

31:43 This would be filled with of Argon,

31:45 and there's argon in a couple of other systems that we'll see as well.

31:48 [D] Is argon heavier than air?

31:50 [A] Yeah, I believe so.

31:52 For the case of argon,

31:54 it acts essentially as a noble gas that's completely non-reactive.

31:57 That way, you won't have anything reactive come into contact with the coolant.

32:00 [D] That's awesome.

32:01 That's cool.

32:02 Where to now, Andrew?

32:04 [A] All right, let's go take a look at the generator where

32:06 they powered the first light bulbs to ever be powered using nuclear energy.

32:10 [D] Look at this.

32:11 That's not actually true right now, is it?

32:13 [A] Not anymore.

32:14 [D] So that was true at the time, though, right?

32:16 [A] Yeah, and it was also a huge point of pride to the men working here.

32:19 It's important to remember that they had just come from the Manhattan Project,

32:22 meaning their work had recently been used in Japan

32:24 to kill thousands of civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

32:27 Whether or not it was the right choice to drop that bomb

32:29 is not that I ever pretend to know or tell people.

32:32 That's not really something I can decide because I wasn't there at the time.

32:35 [D] Come on, Andrew.

32:36 I'm putting all of that on you.

32:37 [A] But really, they cared about producing power.

32:40 They knew this could be an energy future for the world,

32:42 and it mattered to them that they were on the other side of that coin.

32:45 That sign was a point of pride because of that.

32:47 From what I understand,

32:48 they would never turn that sign on unless the reactor was producing electricity,

32:51 and they would shut that off before they shut the reactor down every night.

32:54 They really did care about that being true.

32:56 They cared about it.

32:58 [D] That's awesome.

32:59 It was It's almost like plowshares.

33:02 You're familiar with the verse in the Bible

33:04 beating their swords in the plowshares?

33:05 Have you heard of that?

33:06 [A] Swords to plowshares.

33:07 [D] Yeah, the plowshares project.

33:09 That was a whole different thing for people.

33:13 That's great.

33:15 [A] All right, next we'll head out to the generator.

33:18 A reactor only has one job.

33:20 In the case of BBR-1, it's got two to produce both heat and plutonium.

33:25 Through our heat exchange system, we boil water.

33:28 We send the superheated steam up through the back of turbine to spin it up.

33:31 Then through this Gearbox,

33:32 the generator spun up even faster to produce electricity.

33:35 [D] This is the Gearbox?

33:36 [A] Yes, sir.

33:37 [D] Okay.

33:38 [A] On the 20th of December 1951,

33:40 for the first time, they had all their systems in place.

33:43 They had been turning on the reactor since about August,

33:45 but they were finally ready to make electricity.

33:48 On that first day, Dr.

33:49 Walter Zinn, the lead for the project, wanted to start small,

33:52 so he just strung up four 300 Watt light bulbs,

33:55 connected those to the generator,

33:56 and when they turned the reactor on for the first

33:59 time to produce electricity using uranium for the first time,

34:01 they just powered on four light bulbs.

34:04 The next day, they connected it to the rest of the facility,

34:06 and it would power the whole building going forward.

34:09 [D] That's amazing.

34:09 But this was the moment?

34:10 [A] Yep.

34:11 [D] Is this a photo of the moment?

34:12 [A] Yep.

34:13 [D] Really?

34:14 [A] Afterwards, Reed Cameron thought

34:16 that they needed to commemorate the occasion.

34:18 So he got out a ladder and some chalk.

34:20 He wrote this excerpt up on the wall,

34:21 and everybody signed their names underneath it to commemorate the event.

34:24 [D] That's the original?

34:25 [A] Yep.

34:26 They encased it pretty soon after they signed.

34:28 [D] Electricity was first generated here

34:30 from atomic energy on December 20th, 1951.

34:33 On December 21st, 1951,

34:34 all the electrical power in the building was supplied from atomic energy.

34:39 Those present, and those are all the people that participated.

34:44 [A] Jolly signed a few days later.

34:46 He was the local janitor.

34:48 [D] Jolly did?

34:49 [A] Yup, that's the name on the bottom there.

34:51 But I think everybody else signed that first day.

34:53 [D] That is a moment.

34:55 What is the picture?

34:56 [A] Reid thought it looked boring, so he got back up there.

35:00 He drew the character blowing air on top.

35:02 Nobody knows exactly what it is,

35:04 but literature and some of the memoirs from the men who worked

35:08 here is that they figure it's the devil blowing air, creating energy.

35:12 Personally, it seems like their way of saying this thing that's been

35:16 used as a horrible weapon can also be used to create power.

35:19 But I can't attribute that to anything in specific.

35:21 That's more of a me thing.

35:23 [D] That's awesome.

35:24 This would have been powered with water.

35:26 Where are the heat exchangers that take the heat

35:28 out of the liquid and turn into water?

35:30 [A] We'll see those next.

35:31 They're right below us.

35:32 [D] Okay, let's do it.

35:33 You guys are filling up.

35:34 A lot of people are visiting.

35:35 [A] Yep, it gets pretty busy around this time normally.

35:37 [D] Does it really?

35:41 [A] Through this door here is the secondary heat exchanger.

35:44 It might seem like an awfully big

35:46 system for a 45 kilowatts worth of electricity,

35:48 but that's because it's a safe design, not a spatially efficient design.

35:53 It's a pipe within a pipe heat exchanger.

35:55 The innermost pipe carries the liquid metal coolant from the middleman loop.

35:59 Around that is a filled with argon gas,

36:01 the totally noble nonreactive gas we've talked about before.

36:04 Then around that is the pipe carrying water to be heated,

36:06 boiled, and sent up to the turbine.

36:08 [D] So the heat has to go through the argon?

36:09 [A] Yeah.

36:10 That's why it's so big, because argon is not particularly conductive.

36:13 But the argon is there for a good reason.

36:15 If you do have a pipe breach on either side,

36:17 you don't want the coolants to come into to mix that will cause an explosion.

36:22 So instead, they'll only be able to mix with argon,

36:24 which is completely nonreactive.

36:26 That's why you have the jacket between those two layers.

36:28 So I always stop here just for a moment.

36:30 There's not too much to see in here,

36:32 but this is the primary coolant loop feeding coolant right from the reactor.

36:36 I do like to note the thickness of this wall.

36:38 A lot of people have the misconception that these early nuclear

36:41 scientists would have received high doses of radiation working at these plants.

36:45 That was true for some experiments that they operated,

36:48 but not for the plant itself.

36:49 This wall is 4 feet thick to act as gamma radiation shielding.

36:53 They knew, based on studies they've been doing in Japan,

36:55 that they had to shield from that radiation,

36:57 and you need a minimum of 4 feet of water or high

36:59 density concrete or three feet of lead to mitigate those effects.

37:02 That's why this wall is so thick.

37:04 [D] That's concrete.

37:05 Oh, yeah, those are not concrete.

37:07 Excuse me, those are not cinder block bricks, they're concrete bricks.

37:09 [A] Yep.

37:10 [D] Okay.

37:11 [A] This right to my left is the cask that would

37:14 allow us to pull spent fuel rods out of the reactor.

37:16 It's a lead-lined container that helps trap the radiation within.

37:19 The tank on the back of it fills it

37:21 with argon so that when they pull the fuel rods,

37:23 there's no oxygen interacting with the liquid metal coolant.

37:27 They'd have to pull it one rod at a time, so it was a pretty lengthy process.

37:31 [D] So they would put something down in there, grab a rod and pull it out?

37:34 [A] Yeah.

37:34 Basically, they'd take this 10-ton crane above us in the corner.

37:38 They'd hoist this cask up on top of the reactor, and it would sit on this plug,

37:42 but this would be upstairs where the hole in the reactor we saw is.

37:45 It's just right up there.

37:46 They'd be able to rotate this plug, and then through these three hatches,

37:49 they could gain access to the different parts of the reactor

37:51 and pull just a single rod out at a time.

37:55 [D] That's cool.

37:56 [A] Once they have the single rod out, they'd close up the top of the reactor,

37:58 close up the bottom of the cask and move

38:00 the rest or move the whole cask for cleaning and storage.

38:03 [D] And so they could just store the rods?

38:04 [A] They had to store the rods.

38:06 The daughter products within them,

38:07 when you take this big atom of uranium and break it in half,

38:10 those two daughter products are unstable.

38:12 When they break down, they don't just release radiation, they also release heat,

38:15 so the rods keep themselves hot for a long time.

38:18 You have to store them before you can ever do work on them.

38:21 That way, they have time to cool.

38:22 [D] Oh, wow.

38:23 So there's a lot of thermal capacity there.

38:24 [A] Oh, yeah.

38:25 [D] Fuel rods.

38:28 Is this where they would store them?

38:29 [A] This is where they store the fuel rods before they went into the reactor.

38:32 The vault here might make it seem like you needed a bunch of shielding.

38:35 Really, the vault's just to prevent anybody from gaining

38:38 access if they're not supposed to, and for accountability.

38:41 At the time, we were shipping all of our uranium from Africa.

38:44 The military wasn't certain that we'd be able to continue those shipments,

38:48 so they kept a very tight track of essentially every ounce of uranium.

38:53 We'd bring it here from Hanford, we'd weigh it before it went into the vault.

38:56 If we ever needed, let's say, three pounds of replacement fuel,

38:59 we'd We have to weigh it very carefully before we took it out of the vault.

39:02 So this helps us keep track of all the uranium that we're using.

39:06 [D] But they could just store the actual rods out in the open like that?

39:09 [A] Yeah, you don't need any special shielding for natural uranium.

39:12 This is concentrated 235,

39:13 so it's not natural in the sense that it's pulled right out of the ground.

39:17 But this hasn't started fissioning, which means almost all the radiation it

39:21 produces is in the form of alpha particles, which will be stopped by your skin.

39:25 You'd have to breathe this uranium in or swallow it for it to cause you cancer.

39:29 And at that point, you've got other issues because it's a heavy, toxic metal.

39:32 It's pretty benign in this form.

39:34 The reason you have to be so much more careful once we

39:36 pull it out of the reactor is because of those daughter products.

39:39 When you take that big atom and split it in half,

39:41 its instability will cause it to release radiation as it breaks down.

39:44 That's the more dangerous form of radiation we have to be careful about.

39:48 [D] Andrew, have you memorized this or are

39:50 you just shooting from the hip right now?

39:52 [A] A bit of both.

39:53 [D] Really?

39:54 [A] It's not my exact tour schedule.

39:56 [D] But you actually know this stuff.

39:59 [A] Yeah.

40:00 [D] And you love it?

40:00 [A] Oh, of course.

40:01 [D] Okay, great.

40:02 That's awesome.

40:03 All right.

40:04 [A] I mean, this facility really is

40:06 the perfect mixture of engineering and history for me.

40:08 My two biggest passions, so I love this place.

40:10 [D] It's awesome, dude.

40:12 Andrew really is a remarkable tour guide,

40:14 and he showed me a ton of more fascinating stuff.

40:17 And I'm going to put that over on Smarter Every Day 2,

40:20 because I don't want this video to be an hour long.

40:22 For example, he explained to me that EBR-1 had a partial meltdown one time,

40:26 but they knew this could happen, and they were testing the safety systems so

40:30 that they could roll that forward into future reactor design.

40:33 They used this event to learn about how

40:35 to clean up after something like this occurs,

40:37 which they clearly did because I'm standing in the facility.

40:40 He took me downstairs and he showed me where they worked

40:42 on the rods and the blanket to inspect them and repair them.

40:45 They had to build impressive machinery to move

40:47 these things around while they're radioactive, reactor parts.

40:50 It's fascinating stuff.

40:52 He also took me outside and showed me these two reactors.

40:55 These were intended to be part of a jet airplane.

40:57 The government ended up abandoning that program,

41:00 which is probably the right idea, but it's pretty awesome.

41:03 And I'm going to put that all over on Smarter Every Day 2.

41:05 So please check out that video.

41:07 I'm really grateful to Andrew for sharing his passion with me.

41:11 This was a lot of fun.

41:12 I hope you are half as excited as I am about the Nuclear

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