Has The Met Gala Finally Gone Too Far?

Has The Met Gala Finally Gone Too Far?

Ben Shapiro

0:00 The Met Gala is the annual high holy day of the secular left.

0:03 Basically, Democrats descend on the Metropolitan Museum of Art to dress

0:07 in costumes that cost more than the average American's mortgage,

0:10 all while lecturing you about the evils of the 1%.

0:14 It makes you nauseous.

0:15 It always has.

0:16 It always will.

0:17 But, while the champagne was flowing inside, chaos was erupting outside.

0:21 We will look at the commie protesters targeting the event and predictably,

0:24 event chair Jeff Bezos,

0:25 because apparently building a company that revolutionized global

0:28 logistics and provides over a million jobs makes

0:31 you a villain in the eyes of people

0:32 currently using Amazon's livered iPhones to organize their rallies.

0:35 We'll go outfit by outfit.

0:36 We'll pick the very worst dressed.

0:38 Yes, it is worse than you could have imagined.

0:41 Also on the show today,

0:42 we're continuing our deep dive into Luke Rosiak and The Daily

0:45 Wire's shocking investigation into massive Medicare fraud in Ohio.

0:48 Plus, Vivek Ramaswamy joins me to discuss the systemic rot

0:51 in the administrative state and what can be done to stop it.

0:54 And finally, because we all need

0:55 a break from the collapse of Western civilization,

0:57 I will be giving my first reaction

1:00 to the new trailer for Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey.

1:02 All that and more coming up.

1:03 I'm Ben Shapiro.

1:04 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

1:10 Let's talk about a ridiculous thing.

1:11 The Met Gala is one of the most ridiculous things in America.

1:14 It's truly ridiculous.

1:16 The Met Gala is a charity event for the Metropolitan Museum.

1:20 Particularly, they they have a costume museum.

1:22 Jeff Bezos sponsored it this year,

1:24 dropped about 10 million dollars so that he could be a co-host of the Met Gala.

1:28 And it's always ridiculous and stupid.

1:29 It is very, very wealthy people who dress

1:32 up in absurd outfits while decrying their own wealth.

1:38 So, it it it really is incredibly, incredibly dumb.

1:41 But now, in the last few years, we've had people keep trying to invade the Met

1:45 Gala as though they're storming the Bastille in 1789.

1:49 As though if they tackle Kim Kardashian at the Met Gala or something,

1:53 they're overthrowing the system.

1:56 So, we're now cosplaying the on pretty much all sides.

2:00 So, one of the things that happened over at the Met

2:02 Gala last night was a protester attempting to enter the Met Gala.

2:07 The cops had to tackle him.

2:07 Here's what that looked like.

2:14 And again, you see somebody trying to to get in and the cops charging the guy.

2:23 Well, things are going well over in New York.

2:27 Meanwhile, apparently some Met Gala protesters

2:31 decided to place hundreds of bottles

2:32 of pee inside the museum in order to protest Jeff Bezos.

2:36 The good news is that the Metropolitan Museum

2:38 of Art they probably consider that a form of art.

2:39 So, you could just stack those bottles

2:41 of pee and call it an art display, probably.

2:44 And it would do fine.

2:46 But, the the fact that they are very very angry at Jeff

2:48 Bezos for dropping $10 million to sponsor the thing is pretty astonishing.

2:52 In a statement accompanying the latest stunt, the activist collective,

2:56 it's called Everyone Hates Elon,

2:58 an anti-billionaire group funded by roughly a thousand donors worldwide,

3:01 they said, quote, "Amazon founder and oligarch Jeff Bezos just finished his Met

3:05 Gala pre-party at his penthouse and is getting ready for the big night.

3:08 We couldn't let him get away with using

3:09 celebrity and fashion to hide his crimes.

3:11 We're exposing them instead." What are Jeff Bezos's crimes other than being able

3:16 to bring people products and services

3:19 at an incredibly cheap price in extraordinarily mobile fashion?

3:23 What what are what are the crimes?

3:25 Well, the crime is being rich.

3:26 That is the crime.

3:28 We again cos-playing the Marxist revolution in New York City.

3:33 So, commie commie messages were were actually

3:35 projected onto Bezos's New York City apartment.

3:38 Here's what that looked like.

3:40 Shame on you, Jeff Bezos.

3:43 The people that need to be being celebrated

3:45 at the Met Gala are the workers, people like me.

3:50 We deserve that celebration.

3:53 We deserve so much more than we're getting.

3:56 There's power in numbers and there's more of us than there are of you.

4:02 Remember Jeff, ordinary people like myself that helped make you billionaires,

4:08 if we built it, we can tear it down.

4:11 Think about that tonight, okay?

4:13 After that bottle of champagne when you go to bed.

4:16 We're going to keep growing and we're going

4:18 to keep building and we're going to keep

4:19 protesting and we're going to keep marching

4:21 and we're going to keep fighting this dystopian culture.

4:27 We're not stopping.

4:28 We're just getting cranked up.

4:30 Enjoy your damn gala.

4:35 Again, protesting the Met Gala, which again is a bunch of very rich Democrats.

4:39 That's really what it is.

4:40 Like Bezos may have voted Republican in the last election, I don't know.

4:43 But, I will say that disproportionately the Met Gala is

4:46 a bunch of Hollywood Democrats with a gigantic wad of cash.

4:50 It It is kind of amazing that you

4:52 have everyone cosplaying the revolution on all sides.

4:54 My My favorite outfit from the Met Gala,

4:56 by the way, was There's an actress named Sarah Paulson,

4:58 whose worth I believe $12 million and she showed up wearing this monstrosity.

5:02 She was wearing a a bizarre dress,

5:04 but she was wearing dollar bills over her eyes because money

5:09 is blinding her while wearing an expensive dress to the Met Gala.

5:13 Again, these are all Democrats.

5:15 These are all Democrats who are pretending that they

5:16 hate the system that they have benefited from.

5:19 It really is incredible.

5:21 Now, again, I do have to make fun of the the cultural aspect

5:24 of this because every year the outfits

5:25 of the Met Gala are increasingly bizarre and stupid.

5:28 Sam Smith, who used to be just a gay man and has

5:31 now decided that he is a non-binary fat gay man, I guess.

5:34 He showed up dressed as fat gay Maleficent.

5:37 So, that was exciting.

5:39 Here that that's an outfit.

5:42 Listen, I'll admit I'll admit the ostentatious

5:46 display of obnoxious wealth from some of the world's most useless people here

5:51 is enough to turn anybody into a communist.

5:53 Not because communism is good, but because this stuff is ridiculous.

5:57 It is ridiculous, but it is also not an aspect of capitalism per se.

6:01 It's an aspect of decadence.

6:03 That's a different thing.

6:05 Meanwhile, a trans Tony Award winning producer named

6:10 Jordan Roth showed up wearing a creepy sculpture

6:13 wearing like a creepy mannequin over his shoulder

6:16 while he was dressed as as a woman.

6:18 So, they they Oh man, I don't even know what's going on.

6:21 Lena Dunham showed up as a character from Stranger Things who

6:24 is apparently flayed from the inside out by the Mind Flayer.

6:29 I don't know what happened to this dress.

6:30 That's that that's that's that's some scary stuff happening right there.

6:35 Yeah, kind of gruesome.

6:37 I I think my favorite outfit, honestly, was Katy Perry.

6:39 Katy Perry showed up wearing an outfit that was basically a peekaboo mask.

6:44 When I say that, I mean she is literally

6:46 wearing a door on her face that opens and shuts.

6:50 I just can't imagine how excited Justin Trudeau is

6:53 about that, because any 2-year-old would find that amusing.

6:56 So, Justin Trudeau probably every time she closes that door,

6:59 Justin Trudeau's like, "Where did she go?

7:00 Where did she go?" And then Trudeau is like, "Oh my god,

7:02 Katy Perry's back." Which is really That must be exciting for him.

7:08 Or maybe when she gets annoying, he just closes the [laughter]

7:10 He just slowly closes the door on her face.

7:15 Beyoncé showed up wearing an outfit

7:16 from the Day of the Dead celebration in Coco.

7:20 That's a That's an interesting outfit there from Beyoncé.

7:25 Yeah, that's a that's a lot.

7:27 Teyana Taylor showed up dressed as a Komondor dog.

7:32 I'm not sure what this was here.

7:34 She looks She looks as though she's a straight from 101 Dalmatians.

7:37 And then Cardi B, I think, had probably the worst outfit.

7:41 She apparently has been plagued by tumors on her feet and on her shoulders.

7:45 Which is that that's what that that dress looks like.

7:49 Sad stuff happening.

7:50 Bad Bunny showed up dressed as Joe Biden.

7:53 I wish I mean he aged himself like 40 years and showed up dressed as an old man.

7:59 Yeah, again.

8:00 Ostentatious displays of wealth are not likely to make capitalism popular.

8:05 But let's just remember every single person who is

8:07 doing this is preaching on behalf of the anti-capitalism.

8:12 They preach about the decadence of capitalism

8:14 as they participate in it and foment it.

8:18 Okay, meanwhile in more serious news.

8:20 So yesterday based on our investigation in Ohio,

8:22 the Vice President of the United States put out a tweet

8:25 pledging that he would look into what was going on.

8:28 "Quote, these shocking allegations are true,

8:30 show why the fraud task force work is so important.

8:33 I'm directing the task force to look into it and take immediate

8:36 action to prosecute any fraudsters involved

8:38 and stop all further payments as appropriate.

8:40 So we are already getting action here at Daily Wire.

8:43 This is why we exist not just to, you know, bring you things that entertain you,

8:46 but obviously to change the world in better ways.

8:50 Luke Rosiak, who is our senior investigative reporter over here,

8:52 he has the second part of his large-scale investigative series

8:56 today talking about the extent of Medicaid fraud in Ohio.

9:00 He points out that there are seven

9:01 buildings along East Dublin Granville Road in Columbus,

9:04 Ohio that are filled with hundreds of office suites

9:06 all owned by a company called Cordoba Real Estate.

9:10 Almost every tenant in the building

9:11 bills Medicaid for the impoverished, obviously,

9:14 as a home health care business that provides low-skilled,

9:17 usually non-medical care to elderly or disabled people.

9:20 So basically seems very much like what Nick Schuler was uncovering in Minnesota.

9:25 Essentially, we have these gigantic buildings

9:27 that are filled with home health care providers.

9:29 Completely empty of people because we actually

9:31 have video of Luke walking through the halls.

9:34 Here Here is Luke walking through the halls in an empty

9:39 office building in Ohio that presumably

9:42 millions of dollars are flooding through.

9:45 I noticed that you guys had gotten $10 million in Medicaid.

9:49 Welcome to the United States.

9:50 What exactly goes into a home health care business?

9:55 Huh.

9:56 Home health on Horizon Care.

9:58 There's two.

9:58 Home health on Home.

9:59 Home health is the fastest growing industry in the You guys are racist.

10:02 We don't need you guys.

10:03 You guys are racist people.

10:06 Again, the accusations of racism, him walking through full-on empty buildings.

10:11 Apparently, one Cordoba Road employee said that the government

10:15 actually pays people to take care of their own families.

10:18 This, of course, is the scam according to Luke's reporting.

10:22 The Cordoba Road buildings in Columbus

10:23 house 288 businesses registered with Medicaid.

10:26 Together, they charged taxpayers more than a quarter

10:28 of a billion dollars between 2018 and 2024 in a city where there are only about

10:33 6,200 people who are 75 or older on Medicaid.

10:38 Apparently, at one address,

10:39 there are 80 companies that collectively billed at least $73 million

10:43 to Medicaid and received $23 million from the state of Ohio.

10:48 Again, shocking levels of what appear to be alleged fraud.

10:52 And again, here is Luke talking to one of the employees at Cordoba Road

10:57 who admits the government basically pays you to take care of your own family.

11:00 In the Cordoba office building at 1425 East Dublin Granville Road,

11:05 we finally located a business suite with somebody in it,

11:08 GC Home Health Care LLC.

11:11 Asked how he recruits employees,

11:13 Keith said employees and patients come as a package.

11:16 70% of the employees are just being paid

11:18 to spend time with their own family members.

11:21 The patient, like they have someone in their family

11:25 that has the qualifications to be an aide, CPR and everything.

11:29 So, they They come together, they say, "Yeah, well um [clears throat]

11:33 got uh approval from my doctor.

11:35 After getting a note from the doctor

11:37 vouching for the elders need for personal services.

11:40 The family member of an elderly person isn't set up

11:42 to bill Medicaid so a company stands in the middle.

11:45 I mean we just taking a small cut because you know,

11:48 they pay us and then we pay them for the hours.

11:51 [clears throat] He said the number of hours depends

11:53 on a doctor's recommendation but it's often an hour a day.

11:56 Like do you expect us to take time off work just to take care of those?

12:00 I mean there has to be some sort of benefit.

12:02 I asked him why people wouldn't simply help

12:05 their aging parents with basic tasks out of human decency.

12:08 Well, the government didn't pay you to do it.

12:10 I mean people see that as lucrative so you know, they'll jump on it.

12:14 Again, unbelievable stuff.

12:16 Are you as a taxpayer willing to subsidize

12:18 people to take care of their own aging parents?

12:20 This is crazy towns.

12:22 It's crazy.

12:23 Luke reports that there is one home health care service called

12:27 Omega which charged taxpayers $11 million

12:30 between December 2017 and October 2024.

12:33 Omega was incorporated in 2011 by a person

12:35 named Mohamed Jama a Democratic politician.

12:38 Jama founded a newspaper called the Somali Post,

12:41 also a Somali coffee house and has been affiliated

12:43 with the Somali Education Resource Center which received $6

12:46 million in federal aid in 2023 all on top

12:50 of raising nine kids and working as an engineer.

12:53 When he ran for state Senate as a Democrat in 2024,

12:57 that home health care business was not even mentioned in his profile.

13:01 So you know, it's great.

13:03 We we also get to as taxpayers subsidize people running

13:06 for the state legislature as they clear millions of dollars in cash.

13:11 Joining us on the line, the man who broke this story,

13:13 Luke Rosiak is a senior investigative reporter at The Daily Wire.

13:16 You can follow him on X at Luke Rosiak.

13:18 He's a great follow.

13:19 Luke, thanks for taking the time.

13:20 Really appreciate it.

13:22 Thanks for having me, Ben.

13:25 So the story has already had a gigantic impact locally, federally.

13:28 The VP is committing to an investigation.

13:30 What are the reactions that you've got

13:32 your eye on to your explosive exposé here?

13:36 Yeah, it's funny.

13:37 I mean, we just kind of laid out the bare bones of what we had.

13:40 Part two which just dropped and we've got

13:42 a number of actual details going but J.D.

13:44 Vance right from the beginning said that the task

13:47 force that he's helming with Andrew Ferguson,

13:49 who's a very competent lawyer, um is going to be descending upon Ohio.

13:54 There's been a number of other reactions in the Senate

13:56 including from the chairman of the aging committee and so on.

14:00 Um but, you know, at the center of this is the Medicaid waiver

14:04 program for home health care and in particular what they call personal services,

14:10 which is what I'm calling butlers for Somalis.

14:13 Um Medicaid is supposed to be for medical

14:16 stuff and personal services is just like butlers.

14:19 It's people that go there to help you with whatever you need.

14:21 You can cook, you can clean, um even just conversation and companionship.

14:26 And so, you know, I just got back from Columbus and you

14:29 you can walk through these buildings and there's a whole street of them.

14:32 And you go inside these buildings

14:33 and there's like hundreds of the small businesses.

14:36 Nobody's in almost any of them.

14:38 And they'll have signs that just say that that's

14:40 the service they provide is companionship and conversation.

14:44 Um and so, that's kind of the question that's for for fraud investigators,

14:48 I think there's a lot of leads that that we're going to be providing to them

14:51 and people are going to see in the stories we have rolling out including today.

14:55 Um but, there's also the question of lower-case F fraud,

14:59 which is um some of this may well be legal and it may well be

15:03 very poor policy decisions that our leaders

15:06 have made that allow people to um bill for hanging out with their family members

15:13 or hanging out going to somebody's house to provide

15:16 them with this this um companionship or cleaning

15:20 their house in a way that's totally unverifiable.

15:23 And so I think they're all both fraud questions and I think if if J.D.

15:28 Vance's task force finds that they can't prove with the standard

15:33 that would be required in a court of law,

15:36 then you get to the question of do we just have to get rid of these programs?

15:39 Because maybe we had programs that used to work in a time

15:43 when Americans could be relied on to to be honest.

15:47 That kind of breakdown in situations

15:50 where you import people from low-trust societies.

15:55 So Luke, take us back to the beginning of the story.

15:57 How did you first uncover of fraud?

16:00 And what was it like you know,

16:01 walking through these empty buildings that that supposedly hundreds of millions

16:04 of dollars are being funneled through for home health care?

16:08 Yeah, so DOJ back in February released DOJ working with HHS a database

16:14 of Medicaid spending to the what companies are getting paid by Medicaid.

16:18 And I've been trying to get that for many years because

16:21 when you look at that pie chart of the federal budget,

16:24 so much of it is in Medicaid to the point where a lot of liberals kind

16:28 of mocked DOJ saying there's nothing to even cut

16:31 unless you're going to go for the non-discretionary stuff.

16:33 And so when we can actually see what Medicaid is going to and then

16:37 we find out that it's actually not

16:40 just all like untouchable like doctor's visits.

16:42 It's like very much fair game

16:44 for those that want to make the government more efficient.

16:47 I think that's a huge potential for kind of saving our country

16:52 and it's a huge win for transparency that they did that.

16:55 So I did my computer thing.

16:57 I've been doing data analysis for a long time and I had

16:59 my computer run queries that told me where the really sketchy stuff was.

17:03 And it took me right to a red state, Ohio,

17:06 Columbus and the northeast sector of Columbus which

17:09 turns out to be where all the Somalis live.

17:13 But it's funny because I didn't go say I want to go find Somalis.

17:17 I didn't really tell it anything except tell me where some really

17:19 sketchy money stuff is going on and the data took me right there.

17:23 Um and so I went and I had you know

17:25 a a guy from the Capital Research Center, a great researcher.

17:28 We both did our thing.

17:29 We poured through all the records and then we

17:31 did the kind of what Nick Shurly made famous.

17:35 We saw similar to what he did with the daycares.

17:37 Nobody's there.

17:39 Um and it was very creepy to walk down these long hallways.

17:43 I it looks like aliens abducted people on some day

17:47 at noon like months ago because a lot of them will

17:50 have signs saying we're out to lunch and it's like you

17:52 can tell they've been out to lunch for a long time.

17:54 Uh there's like mail piling up like postmarked from months prior.

17:59 Um So at the end of the day, you know,

18:01 we kind of did the Nick Shurly thing and found the same results in Ohio,

18:04 but then we coupled that with really rigorous database research and we

18:08 went through all these individuals in public records and you know,

18:12 for those that implied that somehow Nick Shurly got

18:14 the story wrong or didn't do a rigorous enough job,

18:17 I can tell you when you speak take two months and you

18:19 look up hundreds of these people and you tell the full story,

18:22 uh it actually makes it worse

18:24 for the for the Medicaid people and the smallies, not better.

18:29 So this is a five-part exposé.

18:31 Obviously today was just part two.

18:33 Do you have any clues as to what's coming?

18:36 Um so, you know, we'll have a person you'll you'll hear an interview

18:42 with me talking to a guy who's been charged 30 times in court,

18:47 all kinds of multiple fraud arrest,

18:48 violence arrest and he's arguing me with me that it's

18:52 totally fine to to run a a Medicaid company.

18:56 Um You know, he says I was just too dumb to know what the law is.

19:00 And so this is what we're dealing with here.

19:02 I mean that's the excuse of these people is I'm I'm really dumb.

19:05 I just didn't even know it was wrong to to to steal and lie constantly.

19:10 Um but there's a lot to go through in in part two.

19:12 There's a tons of different examples from what just dropped.

19:15 Um, that's going to take I think people a while to to to to go through.

19:19 Um, for example, a Democrat politician, um, by the name of Mohamed Jama,

19:24 who ran for uh state Senate with the with the Democrat endorsement in in Ohio,

19:30 um, he founded an $11 million home health care company,

19:35 um, while he was doing other stuff.

19:37 He did it as a side business.

19:39 He didn't even mention it when he ran for office.

19:41 Um, and that's a pattern that we keep seeing here

19:43 is like these people have these businesses on the side.

19:46 I mean, can you imagine making multiple millions

19:49 of dollars and it's not even what you do full-time.

19:51 It's just kind of your [laughter] just like a little side gig.

19:57 Well, Luke, you know, obviously the vice president has responded.

20:00 The state of Ohio, I'd imagine, is going to respond at some level.

20:03 What what are you expecting from from Congress?

20:05 What do you think are the next steps going forward?

20:08 Um, what I'm really interested to see

20:10 is whether they will rescind these Medicaid waivers.

20:13 Um, I spent a a great deal of time

20:16 investigating all these people and keeping track of, well,

20:19 Ahmed Mohamed and how does he relate to Mohamed Ahmed and is

20:23 Abdurazaq Ahmed the brother you know, it goes on and on.

20:26 It's very difficult to track these people cuz they don't even have

20:29 birth They a lot of them don't even know when they were born.

20:32 So, our system is designed to keep track of people based on the idea

20:35 that family members have the same names and you have birth dates and stuff.

20:38 It's very difficult and I put the time

20:40 in and I was able to find some really good stuff,

20:43 but I'm certain that the government is not able

20:45 to do this at scale cuz it's just too laborious.

20:49 And I get the sense that there's whack-a-mole going on and I get

20:52 into this in some of the stories where somebody goes to jail for fraud,

20:56 but pretty soon all of his associates are like popping up

20:59 with like similar assets and it's like are they just moving money around?

21:03 Is it really just uh a game of whack-a-mole to be trying

21:08 to stop fraud when it's going to be really hard to prove.

21:12 At the end of the day, they may not even be punished that severely,

21:14 and somebody else is just going to do it.

21:16 So, I'm interested to see whether they rescind these waivers.

21:20 I think the states are spending this money

21:22 pretty freely because it's the federal money.

21:24 It's other people's money.

21:26 And it's a little unfair, I think,

21:28 for certain states to have waivers like Minnesota and Ohio that let them bill

21:33 federal taxpayers for services that people

21:35 in in in other states don't get to do.

21:39 And I think personal services is one that maybe there's a policy

21:42 solution here rather than than you get at the root of the fraud.

21:46 And you just cut it off, you know,

21:47 at the root and say no more personal services.

21:51 No more butlers for Somalis.

21:53 If you if you have an aging parent and they need help

21:56 cleaning their house once a week or cooking a dinner once a day,

22:01 I think this is what people have done for all of human history.

22:03 You chip in to your family because it's the right thing to do.

22:06 And you don't you don't insist on a government

22:08 paycheck because it's just too easily abused.

22:11 And even when it is abused, it's it's hard to prove fraud because this kind

22:15 of thing happens behind closed doors in private residences.

22:18 And I think we can no longer afford to have programs where proving

22:22 fraud to the standard that's required in court it is is is so hard.

22:27 If there's going to be blatant, what seems like fraud, what seems super sketchy,

22:32 I don't think if anybody was in those buildings that I was in in Columbus,

22:35 they'd be like, "Oh, yeah, this is totally normal.

22:37 Totally normal that this person got $10 million.

22:40 It doesn't pass the sniff test.

22:41 I don't think anybody who saw it, any taxpayer, would agree.

22:44 We may have to look at a policy solution rather

22:47 than just fraud enforcement and just eliminating some of these programs.

22:53 Well, the investigation is a massive win.

22:54 It's the reason why the Daily Wire exists because we don't just deliver stories.

22:58 We deliver actual real investigations that actually

23:00 change the way the United States is run.

23:03 Luke Rosiak, thanks for your amazing work here.

23:05 Give Luke a follow again on X at Luke Rosiak.

23:07 He's one of the best investigative reporters in the country.

23:10 Obviously, we're very glad that he's on our side.

23:12 Luke, thanks for the time.

23:14 Thanks so much, Ben.

23:15 All right, coming up, we'll be joined by Vivek Ramaswamy.

23:17 His primary for Ohio governor is today.

23:19 What would he do to stop all of this fraud?

23:21 Plus, later on in the show,

23:22 we're going to review the new trailer for Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey.

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24:32 but we need people who are actually going to correct it.

24:34 Joining me on the line to discuss what comes next is Vivek Ramaswamy.

24:38 He has his Republican primary today in the state of Ohio,

24:41 the likely next governor of Ohio.

24:43 He's an entrepreneur, political commentator, and author, and of course,

24:46 he ran for president in 2024 in the Republican primary.

24:49 Vivek, great to talk to you.

24:51 Good to see you, man.

24:54 So, why don't we talk about, first of all, the state of the primary?

24:56 So, obviously, the primary is today.

24:58 You are widely expected to win.

25:00 What are the expectations for you in terms of sort of percentage?

25:04 Because obviously, there's been a a large-scale movement to suggest

25:07 that that you're not doing as well as you should,

25:09 but the reality is that competitive primaries in Republican Party areas

25:13 and in Ohio have been quite quite common for a very long time.

25:15 So, what are you expecting today?

25:18 Yeah, look.

25:18 I mean, the primaries are usually quite competitive.

25:21 I would say we're cautiously optimistic that we will

25:25 shatter recent norms for what those primary outcomes are.

25:29 If you look at the 2024, 2022 governor and Senate primaries,

25:34 you had competitive primaries where Bernie Moreno and J.D.

25:36 Vance and Mike DeWine were elected.

25:39 You're looking at 40, at most 50% of the vote that went for the Republican.

25:45 Even if you go back to 2018 when Mike DeWine was first elected,

25:48 when someone else was elected to Senate, you see the same thing.

25:51 It's been a ceiling of 40 to 50%.

25:53 So, we'll see what the results come in.

25:55 I don't want to count the chickens before they hatch, Ben,

25:56 but take a look at it tomorrow and or even late tonight.

26:00 And I'm cautiously optimistic that we're

26:02 going to significantly significantly beat that ceiling.

26:06 But, let's see.

26:08 So, obviously, we here at Daily Wire have

26:11 been covering extensively the investigative reporting of Luke Rosiak

26:14 and the rest of our investigative team about what

26:17 appears to be alleged fraud in Ohio, Medicaid fraud.

26:21 Again, we've seen this in a wide variety of states.

26:23 The extent of it in in Ohio appears to be quite shocking.

26:26 Again, what you're looking at is buildings that look largely

26:29 empty with tons of registered businesses that are receiving Medicaid monies.

26:33 You know, what do you make of that and what would

26:35 you do as governor of Ohio to crack down on that?

26:38 So, look.

26:39 I think that the reality is all states, including Ohio,

26:42 I think have turned a blind eye to this level of [clears throat] rampant fraud

26:47 of the welfare system broadly, including Medicaid.

26:50 And it starts, Ben, with enforcing the laws that are already on the books.

26:55 So, you can talk about passing new laws.

26:56 I think that's a reasonable conversation to have.

26:58 But, that requires a legislature that takes time.

27:00 And furthermore, you got to ask the question of what's the point of passing

27:04 new laws if the ones that are

27:05 already on the books aren't being sufficiently enforced?

27:09 So, one of my top priorities is to take

27:11 the egregious cases here of fraud that, you know,

27:14 frankly, your reporting was really intriguing or, you know,

27:16 Daily Wire's reporting was really intriguing to me.

27:19 I wish I could say that it was a shock.

27:21 Compared to what I hear on the ground, unfortunately, it was not a shock.

27:24 But, I appreciate you putting a national spotlight on it in my own home state.

27:28 And I think what that does is it forces those who are in power to be able

27:32 to pay attention to an issue that may have

27:34 been swept under the rug for too long before.

27:37 When I am in power, hopefully for elected,

27:39 we're not going to sweep it under the rug.

27:41 We got to prosecute aggressively.

27:42 And what's the purpose of prosecuting?

27:44 Two purposes.

27:45 First is when someone does something wrong,

27:47 you have to actually punish the person who does the wrong thing.

27:50 But, the second purpose, of course, is deterrence.

27:53 The idea that you're just going to get away with bilking the government.

27:56 And it's not really even bilking the government so much as bilking the taxpayer,

28:00 the ordinary law-abiding American, the ordinary law-abiding Ohioan.

28:04 That's not okay.

28:05 And we have to send that deterrent signal.

28:09 So, in the end, Ben, it's uh as often happens in these things,

28:12 it's not as complicated as it sounds, right?

28:14 This isn't fancy stuff, okay?

28:15 In a modern era of AI,

28:17 you have a toolkit that allows you to spot at aberrant abnormalities

28:21 even more quickly and more reliably than at prior points in human history.

28:26 We have laws on the books.

28:27 In Ohio, we have a Republican state

28:29 that controls all three branches of government.

28:32 This is doable, but it does require a leader

28:34 at the top who's willing to act with a spine decisively.

28:39 And that's why I'm in this.

28:40 I mean, you think about why I sometimes get the question of why am I doing this?

28:45 Which, you know, politics can can be frustrating at times.

28:48 I have to admit.

28:49 Sometimes I have to remind myself why I'm doing this.

28:51 And the reality is I mean, it's not for fame or fortune.

28:55 There's better ways of acquiring those things.

28:56 And And I've been blessed in my life.

28:59 I'm doing this because I know we can get this done.

29:01 This is not complex stuff.

29:03 You know, fixing the waste, fraud,

29:04 and abuse, particularly in the Medicaid system.

29:07 And you think about the analogy

29:08 to that to every other system that's over-bureaucratized,

29:11 which, you know, we're not talking about today, but the public education system,

29:14 how broken that is with the bureaucracy that suppresses the students

29:18 and their achievement and their ability to report that to the public.

29:22 To in a different sense,

29:23 keep legally bilking the public without standing for results.

29:27 You look at the overgrowth of government in every sector,

29:30 from Medicaid to the welfare state to even public education,

29:34 K through 12, higher education, it's a mess.

29:38 And I think what we need now more than ever in Ohio,

29:41 and frankly in states like Ohio across the country,

29:43 are real entrepreneurs who aren't willing to tolerate nonsense,

29:48 who are willing to cut through the nonsense when needed.

29:50 And that's why I'm doing this job cuz I know I can get it done.

29:55 So, Vivek, obviously, you were involved at the beginning with Dozh.

29:59 Our reporting was largely based on some

30:01 of the revelations that came via Dozh because

30:03 a lot of the information that Dozh uncovered

30:05 served as sort of the basis for our investigation.

30:08 Why do you think it is that so many members of government

30:10 at the state and the federal level have brushed all of this under the rug?

30:14 Because you would assume that, you know,

30:16 good-hearted people in government who would like for these programs

30:19 to work efficiently would be unhappy with the fraud,

30:21 but it seems as though they have more

30:22 of an incentive to pretend the fraud isn't happening,

30:24 thus to claim that the programs are working better than they are or something.

30:28 Yeah, so so a couple things there, Ben.

30:30 And it's worth I mean, I'm not going to just give you

30:31 the standard talking points you can read about anywhere.

30:34 Okay, I'm going to give you some specifics from where I sit.

30:38 I think there's an incentive failure in the way that states

30:41 deal with the federal government as it relates to Medicaid.

30:44 And this is important to understand, okay?

30:46 As you said, it's well-intentioned people producing

30:49 outcomes that are not well in that are

30:51 not really doing well by the by the people who are supposed to serve.

30:54 Why is the question?

30:56 So, this incentive failure is important.

30:58 Where if a given state today cracked down on this waste, fraud, and abuse, okay?

31:04 Cracks down on Medicaid over expenditures.

31:06 And you could talk about uppercase F for fraud,

31:09 and there's also lowercase F for fraud,

31:11 which is to say maybe technically legal but it doesn't

31:13 comport with anyone's sense of who should be getting these dollars.

31:17 The problem is the state that does that heavy lifting, okay?

31:20 The equivalent of a Dojo at a state, say.

31:22 If you did that, you as a state don't really get to keep most of those dollars.

31:28 What instead happens is you get

31:30 fewer pass-through payments from the federal government.

31:33 So, that is a broken incentive system.

31:35 So, so for people aren't familiar how this works,

31:37 it's like you get reimbursed for your expenses,

31:40 almost all of them from the federal government.

31:42 So, if you cut those expenses, but you're losing the reimbursement,

31:46 then you as a state, let's say you're a governor of the state,

31:49 say, "Okay, well, I got other competing priorities because I

31:52 would rather look after some other priority in my state.

31:55 This is going to make me less popular giving free

31:57 government money away to people who could be voting for me,

32:01 but in return the federal government is still the backstop anyway,

32:05 why bother?" So, I think that incentive failure needs to change.

32:08 And one of the things that I intend to do when I'm governor,

32:11 my first 2 years, remember, will be President Trump's last 2 years as president.

32:16 I have great relationships with many members of the cabinet,

32:18 with President Trump, of course.

32:19 And and you know, Dr.

32:20 Oz and I have had great conversations,

32:22 including in potential visits we've talked about to Ohio,

32:26 to think about how we're able to change that game.

32:28 To be able to say, I mean,

32:29 having having been It's a lot of these insights came to me

32:32 from the 2 and 1/2 months that I did co-head Dojo,

32:34 we need to fix those incentive structures, just like you would in a business,

32:38 where if somebody is running a given

32:39 division of a business generates greater profitability,

32:43 you want that person to be rewarded for it.

32:45 I'd say the same thing with respect to the states,

32:48 that, you know, from the federal government,

32:49 if you're saving the federal government the money,

32:52 you also as a state should participate in a greater portion of those savings.

32:56 So, that'll be something that I'm definitely going to work on when I'm governor,

32:59 and I'm confident that with a friendly administration,

33:02 we'll be able to we'll be able to deliver common-sense solutions.

33:05 The other issue, Ben, is just human nature.

33:06 I mean, at the end of the day,

33:07 if someone's grown dependent on the federal welfare state,

33:12 most politicians are afraid to touch that.

33:14 And the reality is that goes for, for calling a spade a spade,

33:18 Republicans and Democrats alike.

33:20 Democrats have been worse in this respect,

33:21 but a lot of Republicans prefer to talk

33:24 about or change the subject to other issues.

33:26 And at some point as a country, we're going to have to reckon with this.

33:29 We've got a $37 trillion national debt and growing.

33:32 Our children, our their generation,

33:35 are not going to be able to sustain the brunt of this level of federal spending.

33:40 And you look at how the the creep scope,

33:43 the the scope creep of these programs, from welfare to SNAP to Medicaid,

33:48 often now finding their way to individuals who were

33:51 never intended to be the beneficiaries of those programs.

33:54 That's not only bad for the federal budget, not only bad for state budgets,

33:58 it's in the long run also bad for the very

34:01 people who are supposedly the recipients of those dollars.

34:05 That's what's driving the epidemic of purposelessness,

34:08 of depression, anxiety, a loss of meaning.

34:11 When you ultimately aren't working and are permanently dependent on Uncle Sam,

34:15 that actually reduces your own sense of agency, too.

34:19 And this should be something that conservatives

34:21 are concerned with, conservatives are talking about.

34:24 And and I think it's really important

34:26 that we restore a direction in the Republican Party

34:29 and in the conservative movement that confronts these issues

34:32 head-on rather than changing the topic to, you know,

34:36 pandering about how we're going to create a different kind of nanny state.

34:39 I don't want that.

34:40 And so, I'm hoping that this is a message that will

34:43 not only help save Ohio from a lot of this waste, fraud,

34:46 and abuse, but we use the waste, fraud, and abuse as a jumping off point to say

34:51 that we're also going to focus on empowerment.

34:54 How do we put that money back

34:55 in your pocket in the form of lower property taxes,

34:57 lower income taxes, lower capital gains taxes

35:00 that attract higher-paying jobs to our state,

35:03 that ensure more of our young people

35:05 graduating from high schools and from universities,

35:07 then can get those high-paying jobs so they don't

35:10 have to be dependent on SNAP or welfare or Medicaid.

35:14 That's the way we should be building our country back,

35:17 and I think we will be in Ohio,

35:19 we're going to set an example, and that that is why I'm in this.

35:22 I know we can get this done.

35:24 It does take somebody who understands how this stuff works,

35:27 understands how incentives work, understands how to manage a bureaucracy.

35:31 One of the things I learned while running a business,

35:33 Ben, is you know, there's Oftentimes,

35:36 if the right person is not a good fit for the job,

35:38 you got to make that decision and remove them from that job.

35:41 And a lot of people who run

35:43 these government bureaucracies are reluctant to do that.

35:45 President Trump's pretty good at it.

35:47 I like that about him,

35:48 and it's the way I'm going to lead Ohio is if you have people

35:50 who are running these massive bureaucracies underneath

35:53 them who are not willing to take action,

35:56 we're going to remove them from their jobs and put in place people

35:58 who are willing to do the job that the public hires them to do.

36:02 And, you know, the most basic step to the point of what

36:05 we're talking about today starts with prosecuting the obvious waste, fraud,

36:09 and abuse that belongs the the dollars that are

36:12 being built belong in the pockets of actual law-abiding Ohioans,

36:16 and that's what I'm going to deliver.

36:20 Well, that is Vivek Ramaswamy.

36:22 He, of course, is running for governor of Ohio.

36:24 The primary is today, May 5th,

36:26 so make sure that if you're voting in Ohio, you got to vote for him.

36:28 He's running a very brave race, by the way.

36:30 He's taking on a lot of these sort of grievance

36:32 party politics that we've talked about a lot on the show.

36:34 Vivek, I wanted to ask you about that.

36:37 You know, the the fact is that you have delved

36:39 into areas that a lot of politicians have feared to delve into.

36:42 You have called out these sort of horseshoe

36:44 right and the and the left for undercutting Americanism,

36:47 for undercutting American exceptionalism.

36:49 That that's a risky business.

36:51 I mean, because the fact is

36:51 that obviously you're running in a competitive primary.

36:53 You're also running in a very competitive state.

36:55 I mean, the Ohio governor's race is not

36:56 a runaway race for Republicans in this election cycle.

36:59 You know, what what effect do you think that the sort of grievance party is

37:02 going to have on our politics going forward if it isn't if it isn't stopped?

37:08 Well, look, I I'd encourage you to take a look

37:10 at the Ohio primary results tonight or tomorrow morning,

37:13 Ben, and tell your audience about it when they're out.

37:15 I'm actually really curious as well,

37:17 because if you look at the person who's running against me in this race,

37:21 it's a guy who put up a YouTube video saying that he was

37:24 worried that AI was not highlighting enough of the good qualities of Hitler.

37:28 He claims that I can't be the governor

37:30 of Ohio because I'm an Indian, not an American,

37:33 despite the fact that I'm born and raised in Cincinnati,

37:36 Ohio, and I'm raising my kids in Ohio.

37:39 It's an embodiment of what the Twitter lab creates in the real world.

37:43 And and it's frankly disappointing.

37:45 A lot of the policies sound socialist,

37:48 just like my other opponent in the Democrat race

37:50 is also a socialist opponent I'm going to face.

37:53 And so I I oppose that form of grievance-driven identitarian socialism,

37:58 whether it emerges on the left, like for example, in the candidate who

38:01 I'm running against in the general election,

38:03 or whether it emerges on the so-called right,

38:06 and I can't even call it the right because it's not really conservative at all,

38:09 but the so-called right, which is what my primary election has been defined by.

38:13 So, to your question about what impact is

38:14 this going to have on the politics of the future,

38:17 I think that's where my my primary will be will be pretty telling.

38:20 To be able to say, "Okay, I told you,

38:21 you know, historically the Republican front runner,

38:24 the person who wins the primary,

38:25 gets between 35 and 50% of the vote in competitive Republican primaries in Ohio.

38:30 You know, let's see how I do." And I think that that will be a leading

38:32 indicator of where the future direction of the actual

38:36 voter base is for the Republican Party,

38:39 which may or may not be I think it probably is going

38:41 to be very different from the loudest voices you hear on some,

38:46 you know, sick corner of the internet.

38:49 So, we'll see.

38:50 But, I don't for me, I think that the reason I'm doing it is

38:52 if I was entering politics as a career, right?

38:55 This was my way of collecting a paycheck

38:57 and securing a comfortable life for my family, I wouldn't be doing any of that.

39:01 Of course, it's not not exactly what a, you know,

39:04 standard political playbook would tell you is the talking

39:06 points you're supposed to bring to a campaign these days.

39:09 If it were, you'd see other Republicans doing it and they're not.

39:12 So, that's that's the reality, but I'm not in this for that reason.

39:16 I would rather I really am committed to winning this election,

39:20 but if I had to choose, I would rather speak the truth and convey my beliefs

39:24 and lose an election rather than to win by saying some,

39:27 you know, fake canned talking point.

39:29 And I think we're going to win by actually speaking the truth,

39:32 but that's what I'm committed to.

39:34 You know, my parents came to this country

39:36 half a century ago with nothing to their name.

39:38 My dad worked for a five-figure salary at GE in Evendale,

39:41 Ohio for almost his entire career.

39:44 My mom took care of nursing home patients

39:46 and worked at the VA in Cincinnati as a psychiatrist.

39:49 They couldn't afford private schools.

39:50 I went to public schools through eighth grade.

39:52 They saved up.

39:53 I was able to go to Catholic private high school.

39:56 Now, I founded multi-billion dollar companies.

39:57 I mean, two different one is Roivant,

39:59 it's a 20-plus billion-dollar business listed on the Nasdaq.

40:02 Chapter is a multi-billion dollar fast-growing company, both of which I founded.

40:06 One I led as a CEO, several others as well.

40:09 My opponent, my Democratic opponent, daily accuses me of being a billionaire.

40:13 It's probably one of the few true things that she says.

40:16 But, I wasn't born a billionaire.

40:17 I wasn't born a millionaire.

40:18 I wasn't born in anything air.

40:20 I was born in heir to nothing, actually, literally.

40:23 But what I love and what I'm so grateful

40:26 to is a country that allowed me to achieve

40:28 those things and God willing be in a position

40:31 to lead the state where I was born and raised.

40:33 That story is only possible in the United States of America.

40:38 And I am so grateful to this state and to this country

40:41 for giving me those opportunities that I feel a moral duty

40:44 to revive that American dream where we teach our kids that number

40:50 one factor that determines what you achieve in life is you.

40:55 That was the lesson of my upbringing.

40:56 It's not the billionaires.

40:58 It's not the white people.

40:59 It's not the black people.

41:01 It's not the patriarchy.

41:02 It's not the Jews.

41:03 It's not the foreigners.

41:04 It's none of those things.

41:06 It is you.

41:07 That's what the American dream is built on.

41:09 That's what I'm running this campaign on.

41:12 It's a tough message at times to deliver.

41:13 It's not one that lands well on everyone's ears.

41:18 But at a certain level I don't care.

41:19 That's the truth and that's what I'm going to give

41:21 you and I'm going to give it to you because

41:23 I'm grateful to this country and I think that is

41:25 what is going to be required to save this country.

41:28 And you know, I think the red team, blue team stuff it's fine,

41:33 you know, it's the way it parts of politics works,

41:35 but I think that there's a deeper project we're going to have to undertake

41:39 in this country to revive the spirit

41:42 of that American dream from a culture of victimhood,

41:45 from the popularity of socialism in the many

41:48 in the many avatars in which it shows up today.

41:51 That's hard work ahead and I believe biased, obviously,

41:56 but I believe that my winning this election in Ohio

42:00 will help us take a step forward as a country, as the former Rust Belt,

42:07 as a state in the direction of economic empowerment,

42:10 in the direction of educational achievement, in the direction of, dare I say,

42:15 reviving that American dream that people like

42:18 you and me have lived in this country.

42:20 And if we do that in in one little state in the heart of the country,

42:24 happens to be the sixth or seventh largest state in our economy,

42:27 I think it'll be a good step for our country and I'm working on it every day.

42:32 You can go check out Vivek's campaign at vivekforohio.com.

42:35 Vivek Ramaswamy, thanks so much for taking the time, really appreciate it.

42:38 Good to see, man.

42:40 And again, that is a very fraught seat, the governor's seat in Ohio.

42:44 That's a very close election.

42:46 The Calsi odds over there, again, Calsi is one of our sponsors,

42:50 in the Ohio governor's race, it's basically 50/50.

42:52 That is a toss-up seat for the Ohio governor's race.

42:55 And so, backing Vivek would be a strong

42:58 move in favor of Republican governance, obviously,

43:01 in a state that has gone red, but used to be a lot more purple.

43:05 And meanwhile, the permission structures for violence

43:08 that have been fomented by the left continue apace.

43:12 According to Politico, on Monday,

43:14 an episode unfolded in late afternoon when plainclothes

43:17 officers determined that a person had a gun, apparently, near the White House.

43:22 The man exchanged fire with officers while trying to flee the area,

43:25 according to the deputy director of the Secret Service.

43:27 A weapon was recovered from the man.

43:29 Unclear what the intentions were.

43:31 Apparently, the vice president's motorcade drove through

43:33 the area not long before the shooting occurred.

43:37 This is obviously scary stuff.

43:39 We are seeing increasing threats to politicians.

43:41 And again, the glorification of acts of violence is a huge part of the problem.

43:46 Talked about permission structures for violence that have been created,

43:49 ideologies that suggest you must do violence

43:51 in order to save the country from fascism.

43:55 Well, now it turns out that those gigantic fires in Los Angeles,

43:59 the catastrophic Palisades fire,

44:02 were allegedly set by one person named Jonathan Rinderknecht,

44:06 who was apparently obsessed, according to the New York Post,

44:09 with the accused healthcare CEO killer Luigi Mangione.

44:13 He had routinely searched "free Luigi"

44:15 and "let's take down all the billionaires" online.

44:19 So, he did billions of dollars in damage, destroyed people's lives,

44:22 all based on the idea that violence against people who are rich is somehow good.

44:28 Apparently, this person, the alleged arsonist,

44:32 was an Uber driver and he ranted to customers about Luigi Mangione's arrest.

44:37 According to prosecutors,

44:39 many of the defendant's Uber passengers on December 31st,

44:41 2024 and January 1st, 2025 described the defendant as angry,

44:45 intense, driving erratically, and ranting about being pissed off at the world,

44:49 and Luigi Mangione, capitalism, and vigilantism.

44:53 Anti-capitalism, anti-institutionalism, these have a consequences.

44:58 And when you celebrate people who do violence, this is what you end up with.

45:03 Incredibly enough, the left refuses to stop doing this.

45:06 Like, legitimately refuses to stop doing this.

45:08 So, Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison is campaigning with Bernie Sanders,

45:13 and he's out there once again claiming that they're fighting fascism.

45:16 If you keep saying that your opponents are fascist without evidence,

45:20 you are contributing to a permission structure for violence.

45:22 That's what this is.

45:23 Here is the Minnesota Attorney General.

45:27 Is anybody Is anybody here TO FIGHT FASCISM?

45:33 I'M HERE TO FIGHT FASCISM.

45:35 I am here to fight me some fascism with you.

45:39 All right?

45:41 Cuz fascism, I ain't got no use for it at all.

45:45 It's really, really getting on my nerves right up in here.

45:51 I mean, obviously, the way that you fight fascism in a fascist

45:54 country is that you have free speech to go and call it fascism.

45:57 That's obviously what's going on.

45:58 But again, this is part and parcel of a left-wing permission

46:02 structure that says that political opposition is somehow an aspect of evil.

46:06 And And the beautiful thing about this is that once you decide

46:10 that your generalized political opposition is in fact the font head of all evil,

46:14 well, then that excuses pretty much anything.

46:17 It excuses anything.

46:18 So, the Minnesota uh the the Michigan Senate candidate for the Democratic Party,

46:23 the likely Senate candidate, is a man named Abdul El-Sayed.

46:25 We've talked about him before.

46:27 He's a terrorist supporter.

46:28 He's a person who said that he would not come out in favor

46:30 of the killing of Ayatollah Khomeini because

46:32 too many of his constituents liked Ayatollah Khomeini.

46:36 Well, he's out there of of course of course he had he had campaigned with Hasan

46:40 And he says that it's totally fine

46:42 to campaign with Hasan because his opponent supports genocide,

46:45 which is a total lie.

46:47 Again, it's actually a double lie.

46:48 First of all, Israel did not commit a genocide in Gaza.

46:51 The population of Gaza has increased since the beginning of the war,

46:54 which is the most unsuccessful genocide in human history, if that is the case.

46:58 And second of all, it is a lie that anyone has called for a genocide.

47:03 But of course, it's all a permission structure to support people

47:06 who are truly terrible like the Hasan Pikers of the world.

47:11 If you're more frustrated by the idea that I would campaign

47:14 with Hasan than you are frustrated by the idea that we

47:16 have backstopped a genocide or that we continue to rob

47:19 people of getting basic health care in their in their country,

47:23 I think you don't understand morals.

47:25 To me, morals are about big things.

47:26 People should have health care.

47:27 We shouldn't kill children.

47:29 Those are to me morals,

47:30 and you need to be able to figure out how to do those things in the world,

47:35 sometimes working with people who don't share your morals.

47:37 And like that's what makes politics hard, but it's not complicated.

47:42 What Again, anything can be justified through this matrix.

47:46 Anything.

47:48 And of course, so can every conspiracy.

47:49 So, Midas Touch is a newly popular left-wing show.

47:54 And one of on hosts is now suggesting that President Trump

47:59 is constructing a ballroom in order to stage a military coup.

48:02 What in the world?

48:04 What in What in the What?

48:06 Huh?

48:06 Okay.

48:09 There is a fear that he ain't leaving.

48:14 And and and that is something to be taken very seriously

48:17 because it you know it almost sounds humorous that he wouldn't.

48:21 But he will and he's he said in a rally speech,

48:24 I'll never forget it that his greatest

48:25 regret was leaving the White House in 2021.

48:28 And he should have just, you know, hunkered down.

48:32 He's building an additional 100,000 square feet to give

48:35 him the opportunity to hunker down this time

48:38 with a military installation below this giant ballroom

48:42 that will clearly never be used for balls.

48:45 Do you worry as some of us do that there is a coup that is on its way?

48:53 The ballroom will be Hitler bunker.

48:55 Is that that that's the basic idea here?

48:57 But but of course then they decry all violence.

48:59 You say that the president is a fascist.

49:01 You say that you're willing to campaign with people who openly support

49:04 terrorism because the Republicans are so terrible and all the rest of this.

49:08 Truly amazing stuff.

49:09 I mean amazing stuff from the left which is of course

49:13 another justificatory structure for how they can back people like Graham Plater,

49:18 the main Senate candidate.

49:20 So Plater of course is the guy with the Totenkopf tattoo.

49:25 Meaning like an SS tattoo on his chest.

49:28 Which doesn't happen by accident.

49:29 You don't just wake up one morning with a death's head tattoo on your chest.

49:32 A giant one by the way.

49:34 People generally know why they get the tattoos they got.

49:38 Also, he has appeared on the podcast

49:40 of neo-Nazis like Stew Peters and all the rest.

49:43 So, you know, he's kind of a bad person, Graham Plater.

49:46 But the entire Democratic Party is is

49:48 now mobilizing behind him because obviously if you

49:51 want to beat the evil evil Republicans you

49:53 have to side with people like Graham Plater.

49:55 Jon Favreau at the Pod Save America crew.

49:57 He put out a tweet saying Graham Plater isn't

49:59 just our best and only chance to beat Susan Collins.

50:02 He's a good decent man who struggled

50:04 and grown and is always trying to do better.

50:06 He has struggled.

50:07 You might call all of this my struggle.

50:11 You might you might you might in fact

50:12 suggest that that he's suffering through Mein Kampf.

50:18 But again this is just insane.

50:20 I'm sorry.

50:20 The the the fact that the left is willing to side with legitimately

50:24 anyone anyone for any purpose to quote unquote stop the fascist right.

50:29 This is how you end up where we are right now.

50:32 And the temperature is really really high.

50:35 Okay, meanwhile in more serious news obviously it it appears

50:39 that that some sort of action may be imminent in Iran.

50:42 President Trump announced yesterday that the United States

50:44 will guide non-sanctioned ships through the Strait of Hormuz.

50:47 This is an amazing move by the president.

50:49 He says countries from all over the world almost all of which are not involved

50:51 in the Middle Eastern dispute going on so

50:53 visibly and violently for all to see have

50:55 asked the United States if we could help free up their ships which are locked

50:58 up in the Strait of Hormuz on something

51:00 which they have absolutely nothing to do with.

51:02 They're merely neutral and innocent bystanders.

51:03 For the good of Iran, the Middle East and the United States we've

51:06 told these countries we'll guide their ships safely

51:08 out of these restricted waterways so they can

51:10 freely and ably get on with their business.

51:14 So what does that mean?

51:15 Well, Pete Hegseth the Secretary of Defense he announced

51:18 today this morning that Iran

51:20 cannot block international waterways indiscriminately.

51:23 Here is what the Secretary of Defense had to say.

51:26 American forces won't need to enter Iranian waters or airspace.

51:29 It's not necessary.

51:31 We're not looking for a fight.

51:34 But Iran also cannot be allowed to block

51:36 innocent countries and their goods from an international waterway.

51:41 Iran is the clear aggressor.

51:44 Harassing civilian vessels, threatening mariners from every nation

51:49 indiscriminately and weaponizing a critical

51:52 choke point for its own financial benefit, at least trying to.

51:58 Well, over the course of the last 24 hours

52:00 the United States did help guide a tanker through the strait,

52:03 a very large Maersk tanker through the strait.

52:06 They're also trying to change the incentive structure so that more tankers

52:09 are willing to go get insurance and then ship through the strait.

52:12 Hicks have announced that Iran had been embarrassed

52:14 by the fact that we are now opening up some lanes.

52:17 Basically, if you think of the Strait of Hormuz as a freeway,

52:19 there are certain lanes that are further from Iran.

52:21 Those lanes are now open and the United States is making sure they remain open.

52:28 Two US commercial ships along with American

52:30 destroyers have already safely transited the strait, showing the lane is clear.

52:36 We know the Iranians are embarrassed by this fact.

52:40 Uh they said they control the strait, they do not.

52:45 Well, this is a major problem for Iran.

52:47 Their number one piece of leverage here was closing the Strait of Hormuz.

52:50 They basically have two pieces of leverage left.

52:52 One is to try and blow up all the oil supplies

52:54 in surrounding countries and the other is the Strait of Hormuz.

52:56 And if the Strait of Hormuz is reopened and the only

52:59 stuff that can't get in or out is Iranian, they have a massive massive problem.

53:02 They can't project power, they don't have a a a working economy.

53:07 President Trump announced yesterday that Iran was taking shots at ships.

53:10 It It is a desperation play at this point that they are taking shots at ships.

53:15 The president says Iran has taken some shots

53:16 at unrelated nations with respect to ship movement.

53:19 Project Freedom including a South Korean cargo ship.

53:22 Perhaps it's time for South Korea to come and join the mission.

53:24 We've shot down seven small boats or as they like to call them fast boats.

53:27 It's all they have left.

53:29 Other than the South Korean ship,

53:30 there has been at this moment no damage going through the strait.

53:34 The CENTCOM Admiral Brad Cooper detailed the nature

53:36 of the Iranian attacks in the Strait of Hormuz.

53:39 Here's what it sounded like.

53:41 The cruise missiles were going after both US Navy ships,

53:44 but mostly after commercial shipping.

53:46 Uh we defended both ourselves and consistent with our commitment,

53:50 we defended all the commercial ships.

53:52 Uh we had uh drone launches of again uh commercial ships,

53:56 all of which were defended against consistent with our commitment.

53:59 And then the small boats were all going against commercial

54:01 ships uh and all were sunk by Apaches and Seahawk helicopters.

54:07 So again, this is a massive move.

54:09 The United States re-opening the strait and ensuring

54:11 that shipping can move through at the same

54:13 time that Iran cannot get its stuff out is disastrous for the economy of Iran.

54:18 This is why Iran has now been attacking UAE.

54:22 I mean the the ceasefire is not a ceasefire from the Iranian side.

54:24 They've not ceased fire.

54:26 According to the Wall Street Journal, the UAE's Defense Ministry said late

54:29 on Monday it intercepted 12 ballistic missiles,

54:32 three cruise missiles, and four drones launched from Iran.

54:34 Again, it's sort of a warning shot.

54:36 What what Iran is mostly worried about at this point is

54:39 that the United States permanently degrades its capacity for economic recovery.

54:43 The easiest move for the United States to make

54:45 right now would be to just blow up Kharg Island.

54:49 Kharg Island and you could do an amphibious operation there.

54:51 It's it's a lot riskier.

54:53 Or you could just blow it up and that means that Iran has no

54:55 refinery capacity and that means their economy

54:57 is basically sunk for the foreseeable future,

55:00 which means the regime has no money to pay its own people.

55:04 Now it seems that the Trump administration would like

55:05 to give Iran one final opportunity before that happens.

55:08 That's what this chokehold is on Iranian resources moving in and out.

55:12 President Trump says it's only a matter of time before their resources run dry,

55:16 before they have to turn off their wells.

55:18 Here's President Trump talking to Hugh Hewitt.

55:22 They have a problem coming up because they have uh it

55:25 it's a very explosive situation in a lot of different ways.

55:29 You know, their oil,

55:30 when you turn off the oil underground and the mechanical, too,

55:34 but underground has a tendency it it in like almost 100%

55:39 of the cases to literally explode and just destroy everything around it.

55:44 And you can never get that oil again.

55:46 In other words, you can get back 30 to 40%

55:49 but it can never be like it is right now.

55:51 It does tremendous damage to the oil system in a country if that happens.

55:56 Now, Mr.

55:57 President, last time you were on They've run out of areas for storage.

56:00 Oh, yeah.

56:01 They say that in 2 weeks, you know, when they talk about time,

56:04 in 2 weeks they're going to have a natural explosion of their oil

56:08 that's going to make it impossible for them to really recover from.

56:14 Okay, the president is not wrong about any of this and and Ron knows

56:17 the time is running short for them

56:19 and that is why they are getting increasingly aggressive.

56:21 Now, again, the United States has a lot of steps that we can take.

56:24 We have a lot of things that we can do.

56:25 We could blow up Kharg Island.

56:26 We could hit other energy resources inside the country.

56:28 We could take down another layer of the IRGC.

56:30 We'll probably have to do at some point another kinetic action against missile

56:34 facilities that have been uncovered over the course of the last few weeks.

56:37 Iran has been digging out these missile launchers

56:40 from underground which actually is not very good for them.

56:43 But anybody who believes at this point that Iran

56:45 is winning this war is missing the boat.

56:47 I mean, totally missing the boat.

56:49 By the way, about 3/4 of Americans,

56:51 according to a Harvard Harris poll that just came out,

56:53 believe that Iran is losing the war.

56:54 So, despite all of the bad information coming out online,

56:58 Americans are not stupid and they are not missing the story.

57:01 Alrighty, folks, time for a thing that I like or maybe don't like.

57:04 I haven't seen this yet.

57:05 So, my my producers have brought out the new trailer for the Odyssey.

57:09 As you all know, I'm a massive fanboy of Christopher Nolan.

57:12 So, let's watch this together and we'll see what I think.

57:16 Tell me what you remember.

57:20 [music] A wife.

57:28 [music] A son.

57:31 And then none.

57:37 [music] We won the war.

57:43 Help me go home.

57:47 Okay, so far so good.

57:49 This is a household waiting for master.

57:55 I want you to choose Yeah, the casting is great.

58:00 [music] If Odysseus came is coming back.

58:01 No, he's not.

58:06 Okay, there's the Cyclops.

58:08 What would he do if he came back here and find all these suitors in his house?

58:14 They're pining for daddy.

58:16 You didn't even know like some sniveling [music] past.

58:21 Who's looking after your wife and son?

58:25 Okay.

58:25 Do you see Good.

58:26 Yeah, Damon Runyon casting.

58:29 I mean your friend [music] And I guess people

58:31 were pissed that they that you said dad there, right?

58:33 Bringing it all.

58:41 Yeah, so I know a lot of people are upset about the casting of Helen of Troy.

58:44 I'm not upset about this.

58:46 These are all mythical characters.

58:49 I need everyone in this party dead.

58:52 Also, I mean, let's be clear.

58:52 Everybody would have looked very, very Greek.

58:54 Nobody would have looked like a like a Nordic person.

58:57 You're a man.

58:58 Matt Damon is not of Greek extraction.

59:03 You cannot control this.

59:05 Okay.

59:05 That world is gone.

59:11 No one could stand between me I'm going to watch the hell out of this.

59:13 I don't understand the problem.

59:15 Use the word dad, that's what we're supposed to be pissed about?

59:17 I kneel at the gods.

59:20 Keep us straight.

59:24 I I this looks great.

59:25 I don't understand.

59:27 I again, maybe again I I'm I will admit Tenet is not a good movie.

59:31 That is the only Christopher Nolan movie I will admit is not a good movie.

59:35 All the other ones are range from great to some of the best movies ever made.

59:39 And so I'm watching this and I understand

59:41 that there are some people again like wow, this is too colloquial.

59:43 He said daddy and dad in the trailer.

59:45 That's ter- Okay, can I just be clear about this?

59:48 Every single language has some sort of diminutive for father.

59:52 Okay, every single one.

59:53 What do you call your father?

59:54 You call him father?

59:55 Probably not.

59:56 You probably call him dad.

59:58 Okay, so I promise you that way back when people were using

1:00:01 a diminutive when they were talking

1:00:02 about their fathers also because that's normal.

1:00:05 Okay, so yeah, that that looks great.

1:00:07 Everybody is whiny.

1:00:08 Stop complaining.

1:00:09 You have an original filmmaker making one of the greatest

1:00:12 stories in human history with a huge budget.

1:00:14 You should just be happy that it's going to hit your screens this year.

1:00:17 I am.

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