‘What kind of DELUSIONAL reality are we living in?’: Manosphere bros SICK of Trump as MAGA fractures
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0:00 The Great Big Beautiful Bill also
0:02 slashetaxes on millions of American small businesses,
0:06 including restaurants, strike cleaners, corner stores.
0:09 What is a corner store?
0:10 I've never heard that term.
0:11 I know what a corner store is, but I've never heard it described.
0:14 A corner store.
0:15 Who the hell wrote that?
0:16 Please.
0:22 IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK IN NEW YORK.
0:24 FROM LET THEM EAT CAKE TO WHAT THE HELL IS A CORNER STORE?
0:27 MARIE ANTWINETTE, EAT YOUR HEART OUT.
0:29 PRECISELY THE SORT OF COMMENT WHEN SUPPORTERS ARE
0:32 HAPPY TO DISMISS IN THE BEST OF TIMES.
0:35 BUT THESE ARE NOT those when you're as increasingly unpopular as Donald Trump.
0:40 It's precisely the sort of comment that stings, sort of like a slap in the face.
0:45 And that's just the beginning.
0:46 This week, a no-tax-on-tips photo up included a door
0:50 dash delivery of McDonald's to the White House,
0:52 courtesy of an Arkansas grandmother with a remarkable backstory.
0:56 We'll let Trump take it from there.
1:00 Earlier this week at the White House,
1:03 I met a wonderful woman named Sharon Simmons,
1:05 a grandmother driving DoorDash to help support her husband's cancer treatment.
1:10 She's got serious cancer.
1:10 He's going to be okay, I think.
1:13 Sharon delivered McDonald's to the Oval Office.
1:16 It was a little bit of a, you know, I mean to be honest, it was a little tacky.
1:23 She was a little tacky?
1:26 Okay.
1:28 So while those sorts of comments can be grating in the moment, it was, in fact,
1:34 those who supported Donald Trump in 2024 who
1:37 are making the larger point on this story.
1:39 Launch.
1:41 How would you bring a grandma that needs to work DoorDash?
1:45 Because they're talking about taxation on tips.
1:47 Yeah, but like pause it for a second.
1:52 Don't we want to live in a country where grandmas don't have to work DoorDash,
1:57 where grandmas get to be retired?
2:02 Like what kind of delusional reality are we living in where
2:06 he's parading around the grandma that's working DoorDash so she can
2:09 afford to pay her husband's cancer bills and he's like see
2:12 we're not doing tips like there's a whole other issue at hand
2:16 here that we need to be focused on again I share
2:21 that evaluation from Andrew Schultz because at the time when he endorsed
2:26 Donald Trump it mattered a whole lot might have made the difference
2:30 if people like Andrew Schultz were for Donald Trump in 2024.
2:32 So the fact that he's against him heading into 2026 matters.
2:36 It also is important in light of this new reporting from The Atlantic,
2:41 quote, these days a shocking number
2:42 of the president's supporters have turned against him.
2:45 Some of Trump's fanboys in the libertarian-leaning manosphere have spent
2:50 the past year baffled by his actions on the Epstein files,
2:53 on immigration and now Iran.
2:55 In the past week, religious as conservatives,
2:57 have been criticizing their once unassailable leader after he posted a photo
3:02 on social media of himself as Jesus and attacked the Pope,
3:05 calling the first American pontiff, quote, weak on crime.
3:10 Some Republican operatives in battleground states told us that they'd
3:14 rather Trump not campaign too hard for their candidate.
3:18 Others have seen their small dollar donations PARTICULARLY INFLATIONS PLUMMET.
3:21 WHILE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC OF TRYING TO GET ELECTED,
3:24 WE'LL NOTE IT APPEARS LAWMAKERS ARE LIKEWISE
3:27 ANXIOUS ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND ABOUT Iran.
3:30 The Wall Street Journal reporting this today, quote,
3:32 while Congress so far has declined to curb the president's war powers,
3:36 it could just be a matter of time.
3:38 The margins on the war powers' votes have been narrow in both chambers,
3:42 and some Republicans have suggested their votes could
3:45 change in a matter of days or weeks.
3:47 There are 200 days separating the American people from the midterm elections.
3:52 Plenty of time for Trump to reassemble a fractured coalition, sure.
3:56 But plenty of time to squander it forever as well.
3:59 That's where we begin the hour.
4:01 Writer and editor of Protect Democracy, Amanda Carpenter is back.
4:04 Also back with us, president of Media Matters for America,
4:07 Angelo Carison is here, and the author of The Message of the Markets,
4:11 Substack, Ron Insana, is here with us as well.
4:14 Let me, Angelo, in sort of our ongoing
4:16 investigation and scrutiny of the the people who,
4:21 I think, made the difference in Trump's ability to return to the White House.
4:26 I played Andrew Schultz.
4:27 Let me show you where Joe Rogan is putting himself,
4:30 positioning himself in front of his millions and millions of listeners.
4:36 So what do you, what do you think of what's going on in Iran?
4:41 Terrifying.
4:41 Yeah.
4:42 All of it's terrifying.
4:43 Most people that voted for Trump or wanted Trump to be in office.
4:47 One of the things that was attractive was this no no more wars sure
4:50 of course and now we're in one of the craziest ones yeah and China's
4:55 flying in cargo planes filled with stuff we don't know what the there
4:59 and Russia is giving I THINK I RAN INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE OUR TROOPS ARE.
5:03 SUPER FUN, GREAT TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF TIMES.
5:07 AGAIN, I ALWAYS WANT THE DISCLAIMER THAT I'M NOT
5:10 SHOWING ANYONE JOE ROGAN BECAUSE HE IS TO BE EMULATED,
5:12 celebrated, lifted up or given a paper plate award for anything.
5:16 I think it's important that the top rated podcast in America
5:20 is describing the person he endorsed in the 2024 election this way.
5:24 And I think it's super important that it's 3 million listeners hear this, quote,
5:28 Russia is giving Iran information about where our troops are,
5:33 about where your kids are,
5:34 about where your husbands and wives and sons and daughters are.
5:37 Super important that Joe Rogan's audience heard that.
5:40 Yeah, it's significant because he is like, oh,
5:43 he and the others sort of in that same category,
5:46 they're a weather vane for the political zeitgeist.
5:49 Or another way to say it is, you know,
5:50 in previous coverage, if this was 10 years ago,
5:53 there would be like the undecided voters that always get captured in polling.
5:57 It's sort of the people that don't think about politics first,
5:59 that are not partisan creatures.
6:01 They don't just go vote for one party all the time.
6:04 The very people, as you noted in your intro that wrote
6:06 when Rogan sort of didn't just endorse but made the case,
6:10 he didn't just bring along his people.
6:11 He brought along sort of another part of the information ecosystem
6:15 that shaped the worldview of a lot of new Trump voters.
6:17 And that's the significant part of all this, because
6:20 it's an indication of where his audience is,
6:22 where a lot of the audiences are and where things are going politically.
6:26 And that's the first step.
6:27 And then the second thing is that it is a, it sort
6:30 of reflects on how much power Trump actually has in the moment,
6:34 because the MAGA media really only works.
6:37 Trump's narrative dominance only exists.
6:39 But the storytelling engine behind it is unified.
6:42 If they're all helping reinforce the same story that Trump is telling.
6:46 But when they are now not, you know, sort of doing the counterspin for Trump,
6:50 but the main attackers of the story that Trump is telling,
6:53 it isn't just that they're weakening him by not carrying water for him.
6:57 They're actually undermining and actively cutting against,
7:00 they're truth-telling in a way, the story that Trump is telling.
7:03 And that's sort of the so what of the immediacy.
7:05 It then creates some potential where the laws
7:08 of political reality can start to get shaken up again.
7:11 And that was the other part of your intro,
7:13 too, where Republicans are not there yet, but they're saying,
7:16 I don't know, soon enough we may start
7:18 to do something different than what the president wants.
7:20 And that's because they're slower, because they're not weather veins.
7:23 They're stuck in a much more partisan sort of strict mold,
7:26 but ultimately they are creatures of this political reality too.
7:29 And so that to me is the significance.
7:31 They're indicators of where things are
7:32 at and, more importantly, where it's going.
7:35 Yeah, Amanda, you know, Amanda,
7:38 the stain that'll be the second point that Angela's making,
7:41 that no one expects Republican lawmakers to use their eyes and their ears
7:45 or their feet to walk around their districts and ask people, how you doing?
7:49 You know, how you doing?
7:51 I know.
7:52 I know your son or daughter or husband or wife is deployed.
7:54 How are you feeling about that?
7:56 Or to walk into any business on Main Street and say, how are you feeling?
8:01 That's staying as Liz Cheney said during the January 6 hearings,
8:06 you know, that's staying to live forever.
8:08 But that they're not even interested in their own
8:13 political survivals is to me the black box.
8:15 What do you make of this moment?
8:18 I sort of think that, you know,
8:20 we talk a lot about MAGA Republicans and the MAGA elite class, which includes,
8:24 you know, lawmakers and people who are really loyal to And I
8:27 think as a condition of political survival through the Trump years,
8:32 they've had to learn this ability to tune out everything else, right,
8:38 in order to just go GOING TO GO ALONG WITH THE MAGA LINE.
8:42 BUT IF YOU SORT OF SEPARATE THOSE PEOPLE OUT AND LOOK AT, OKAY,
8:45 WHO ARE THE REAL people, the voters who are in Donald Trump's base
8:50 that brought him into the White House for twice.
8:54 And I sort of put that in two buckets.
8:56 The first big buckets are just sort of of, you know,
8:59 economically minded Republicans who were happy to support him and ignore a lot
9:04 of the character flaws because they saw
9:06 or perceived that the economy was working for them,
9:09 whether that was in the form of tax cuts, good EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS, ET CETERA.
9:13 THAT IS SORT OF BEING PUT DOWN BY THE HIGH GAS AND GROCERY PRICES THAT WE
9:19 ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW IN LARGE PART DUE TO HIS UNNECESSARY RECKLESS WAR IN IRAN.
9:23 SO THIS IS SORT OF LIKE PUNCTURING A LOT OF THOSE BUBBLES.
9:27 AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR CHILD THAT WERE HAPPY
9:30 TO GO ALONG WITH THEM BECAUSE A PART OF THAT GOOD ECONOMY MEANT WORLD STABILITY.
9:33 I MEAN, THE BURN THAT THIS COUNTRY FEELS
9:36 IN THE aftermath of our wars in the Middle East.
9:39 And, you know, a big reason Obama was elected and Trump
9:42 was elected also is to sort of put that era behind us.
9:45 And suddenly he's returning us to THAT AND THEN
9:48 WE'RE UNCLEAR ABOUT THE REASONS WHY.
9:50 SO I THINK THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH HIS DISAPPROVAL NUMBERS.
9:54 BUT THEN ALSO YOU cannot discount this, the people
9:58 of faith who were happy to support Trump even if
10:02 they didn't believe that he was a believer but they
10:05 appreciated the gestures that he made to those community whether
10:08 he meant it or not they took it at face
10:11 value and acted upon it but now these posts
10:14 that you're seeing put that like you cannot believe that anymore
10:18 when he's posting pictures of himself as Jesus J .D.
10:22 Vance is lecturing the Pope about theology.
10:24 And so I just think you see a lot of these reality bubbles
10:27 being punctured in a way that those two big buckets of people can't ignore.