“DARK Funding!” - Baron Trump Theory, Clavicular, Peter Thiel & THE BALLROOM | Jack Mac

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0:11 Yeah, I've always thought about like the idea of how much pop culture influences

0:16 everything including like the establishment orientation

0:19 of society now and with you it's like

0:22 I could get I've been seeing your videos on my feed for years it

0:24 feels like at this point but with you it's like I could get a video

0:27 about like the latest Alex Cooper Alex

0:30 Earl Charli D'Amelio that I'd somehow watch

0:32 for 3 minutes and say I can't believe I'm invested in this don't know why

0:35 and then I'll get a video about like literally the bullets were not even

0:39 on the ground yet from the Secret Service the other night and you were like

0:41 all right here's everything that happened with Donald Trump being shot at I was

0:44 [laughter] like what the[ __] So Saturday night I was watching UFC card and then

0:49 my friend was watching there was NBA playoffs on NHL playoffs and he was

0:54 like he a friend that typically isn't on the top of the ball he's

0:57 like did Trump just get shot at I was like what are you talking

0:59 about and I went to Twitter and obviously I saw it and it was evacuated

1:04 then we saw it was like oh was it possibly the plates falling there

1:09 was a lot of and then we heard I think Kaitlan Collins was the first

1:13 one to say no there was a shooter and the Secret Service at first

1:16 I thought like we felt like he was dead but he was not he

1:19 was he's obviously alive now he's in prison but and then I was like

1:23 oh this is big and then I let a little bit more stuff come out

1:26 because it was definitely a we had to monitor the situation as they say

1:31 but to go back to your point initially yeah I think so Barstool Sports was

1:38 founded on the idea of we're going to cover everything that you talk about

1:43 on a barstool at a bar yep so even though and it's an interesting point

1:49 where it's oh what does a 29 year old guy care about Alex Cooper

1:55 Alex Earl but here's the thing in my group chats people are talking about

1:58 it at work people are talking about it they may not admit to it

2:01 and then they may be like that's kind of silly that's stupid but people watch

2:05 and then also I you always want to just from a marketing point of view

2:10 having more women on like that buy into your stuff and follow you is

2:14 huge because they make all of the our buying decisions across like that's just

2:19 a oh I never thought of it that way oh oh but well yeah I mean to get in on that

2:24 if you want to have a true impact in terms of like influencer

2:30 I mean all the deals go to women because women buy things interesting

2:34 dudes you probably are wearing the same pair of shorts that you had from 2011

2:39 that's correct [laughter] you're a thousand percent correct

2:41 but women buy things every single day and it's not just makeup it's everything

2:46 so if you could somehow get both if you can get men and women you're

2:50 really in the you're really in a great spot so that's what I'm always trying

2:55 to get both because it's if you can get women you can get deals 100%

3:01 and women get most of the deals because

3:02 they make the like people can complain about it

3:04 but that's what they do that's why Alex Earl

3:06 is worth tens of millions of dollars at this point

3:10 Yeah I was unfamiliar with her game and everything going on there obviously I

3:13 know Alex Cooper well from the industry I mean I don't know her personally but

3:17 what you're saying she's a huge podcast

3:20 [laughter]

3:19 yeah friend of the show as Tim Dillon would say well but she is I mean you guys

3:23 are in I mean you guys are in the same

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3:46 in my description below but she's been in that I

3:50 said it in a video I was like oh she is if you do a podcasting Hall of Fame

3:53 she's in it and people got mad at me she's

3:55 been a top 10 podcaster since 2018 and you

4:00 know how insane that is that's up there

4:02 with part of my take and everything now part

4:03 of my take's been longer maybe a little bit higher

4:06 but she's I mean she's interviewed presidential candidates she's

4:09 interviewed reality stars she's interviewed the biggest celebrities so she

4:14 is top of the top she's in that podcasting

4:17 Hall of Fame her I mean she's controversial just cuz

4:21 of like what the topic was and what she

4:23 was coming up as and she leaned into that 100%

4:26 and I would agree regardless of like whether you

4:29 would ever enjoy that kind of content I'm pretty

4:31 sure a lot of people who listen to this show

4:33 like even on the comedy end like it's more

4:35 dudes in that case that's not really the cup

4:37 of tea listening to Alex Cooper talk about Alex Earl

4:40 to a full Call Her Daddy episode but there's no doubt like I remember when

4:46 that was starting when it was the two of them when it was her and Sofia

4:50 and it was really like it hit this it hit a niche that people didn't even

4:54 realize was there in early mid 2018 by that point and you were just like woah

5:01 huge for it was unbelievably big for Barstool

5:05 before people just thought of Barstool specifically women thought of it

5:08 as a Instagram page and and she and Sofia they really they just

5:16 took the ball and they ran with it truly they just

5:18 and they they were saying things that were kind of crazy but I

5:21 mean it's kind of like it was locker room talk for women

5:24 and they were probably like that's exactly what it sounds like

5:28 in their rooms now I listen I saw clips and all that I

5:31 was an intern at the time so oh you were there already

5:34 there when it was popping off and I mean it was cool

5:37 because when I started as an intern they weren't there yet and then

5:40 you were an intern so I started 2017 when I was still

5:43 in college and then 2018 I was still in college too and I

5:46 was an intern but they popped off and then oh girls actually

5:48 cared that you worked at Barstool before it was just only dudes like

5:52 Call Her Daddy was like oh you know Alex Cooper you know Sofia

5:55 the fact that I think Dave if I remember correctly found them like

5:59 the second upload they did and they were uploading in like 32 kilobits

6:04 per second the kbps I never remember what that stands for in audio

6:08 which is like extremely low for people listening we upload at 192

6:11 on Spotify and 320 on[ __] YouTube and that's been since day one

6:14 like they were she was literally editing it at her kitchen table

6:17 and that wasn't her skill but it was so it caught people so

6:21 much that it didn't matter like that people just especially like so many

6:25 Gen Z millennial women were just so[ __] into it as you said

6:29 and a big moment for her I think that really helped

6:31 was before that she was at a Rangers game with Noah Syndergaard

6:37 the old Mets pitcher and I think they were like making out

6:40 at the at the game so when somebody presented that to Dave he

6:45 was like oh I know her and they took the chance I mean

6:47 they didn't think I mean they they definitely took the chance knowing oh

6:51 it could work out but I don't think in their wildest dreams

6:53 they would think it would be what it became and it helped tremendously

6:58 to Barstool yeah I mean I think what do you pay at the beginning

7:00 I think their salary was like 75k a piece or something like that

7:03 probably I mean for him it's like all right let's make this better let's go

7:06 that yeah and what's funny is that it wasn't actually the first

7:09 female podcast at Barstool the first female podcast was Chicks in the Office

7:14 that

7:13 and they are still killing it they're just they're one of the bigger

7:16 success stories in our company's history too so those two that's Fran and Ria

7:21 were huge for to get Barstool more in the women category well I

7:28 remember their big thing to me was I would still that was probably

7:33 like the last time I ever really looked at Facebook like in any

7:36 way was like probably 2015 early 2016 and they mastered the like maybe it

7:43 was two to three minute video on Facebook space and you would see

7:46 them everywhere I was like oh wow yeah Barstool was doing like the podcast

7:50 and then yeah no Facebook it's so crazy that Facebook is still kind

7:53 of the most visited social media platform ever

7:57 are you guys big on Facebook or no

7:59 just I [laughter][ __] you not I'm like you guys

8:02 three weeks ago we got on like we've always had a page

8:05 that I don't even know how to log into we have

8:07 never put content on there three weeks ago we got on I

8:10 think we have like 25,000 followers already or something that's crazy

8:14 it's massive [clears throat] and it's specifically massive

8:16 with older people and then just I think the Hispanic

8:19 community it's still massive and international too it is

8:22 Facebook is still the number one platform it's it's

8:25 like the most that's what people were telling me

8:27 and I for the longest time for me it's

8:29 like I mean you see this very upstart kind

8:31 of organization if you call it so it's always been

8:34 like I want to do 20 things and I have to pick one or two at a time

8:37 so it was always like all right yeah we'll get to that and then I hit up my boy

8:41 Aiden who knows like a good bit about Facebook

8:43 and he's like bro come on it's 2026 you got to we got to get on it yeah

8:48 I'm like you're right you're right let's go ahead

8:50 and I also think it would be big because you have so many like a different

8:54 spectrums of guests that sometimes you'll have people

8:57 that people that are on there will know them

9:00 and there's a lot of people that probably

9:01 watch your your podcast religiously that if you somehow

9:06 pulled them I would assume 15 to 20%

9:09 of them their number one app used is Facebook

9:12 number one you think it's that much for social media yeah

9:15 wow I mean I guess that may be a bit high of a guess because you have a lot

9:21 a huge amount of people on YouTube so maybe

9:25 YouTube's their number one but it's I do you know

9:28 separate box though like I look

9:31 at YouTube separate like Instagram Tik Tok Facebook

9:33 that's one box and then YouTube's like that's TV I think if I mean

9:37 that that that's just so like you were saying you're an upstart kind

9:40 of you do whatever you do but if you had like a true company come

9:45 in and assess I think they would say no dude Facebook is where a lot

9:49 of your fans already are and you would get more because if there's 20%

9:53 of your fans or 10% of your fans are on Facebook that means the people

9:56 that are on Facebook maybe like them and then they could become new fans.

10:00 Yeah.

10:00 Now that those are those big agencies that probably aren't worth it for you.

10:03 Like it just But the nice thing is if you connect it

10:06 and you post on Facebook or on your Instagram you connect it,

10:10 it just it can upload to that too

10:12 and it will get pushed into the algorithm there already.

10:14 It's just a cross-posting.

10:15 Because and Instagram and this is something

10:18 Instagram wants you to post on Facebook.

10:20 They do.

10:21 And they want you to post on Threads, too.

10:23 Oh, they really want Threads now, too.

10:25 will only help your page on is on Threads?

10:27 There's people on there.

10:28 I'm dead serious, man.

10:30 I know Deev's on there.

10:31 No, but people are on there.

10:32 Yeah.

10:32 Like it's a little bit different.

10:34 It does get kind of like a blue sky effect, but [laughter] but [laughter]

10:42 Substack?

10:43 Oh, Substack's like Yeah, do you write it all or no?

10:46 I am a writer by trade initially.

10:47 So I mean Substack could even be something that would be fun for you.

10:51 on in my brain every day that I'm like I got to uh you know much to yeah.

10:56 [laughter] you know, I always joke it's like you see what

10:58 Steven Bartlett's pulled off with Diary of a CEO is amazing.

11:01 He's built it for many many years.

11:02 He built companies before that, too.

11:04 I didn't build[ __] before I did this.

11:06 You know, he's got like 50 people.

11:08 I got three guys and Christian in Venezuela.

11:11 You know what I mean?

11:11 So The cool thing is though and something that I remind myself a lot, too.

11:16 This is such a long game.

11:18 It is a long I mean I would assume I mean I want to do what I do forever.

11:21 I mean maybe at some point I stop, but I'm at more so I mean think about it.

11:27 You could be doing this for 20, 30, 40 years.

11:30 That's what I plan to.

11:32 And so it's such a long game like you could get to those mediums at some point.

11:36 The rush is I think some people in the content game they try

11:40 to do too much and then it's just and sometimes it gets out of control.

11:43 It's even happened to me and then you just got

11:45 to you got to focus on what you do best.

11:46 I mean if you don't get to Facebook it's not the end of the world.

11:49 Yeah, I I agree with you 100% bro.

11:52 It's almost like I'm always stepping out as best I can

11:56 and like looking at the big picture and looking at it

12:00 to where we've gotten like step by step and it's I

12:03 I think of this like proverbial scene in movies where you know,

12:08 there's one I'm thinking of right now.

12:09 I can't think of the movie,

12:10 but the captain is like going through this[ __] crazy storm

12:14 in the middle of the ocean and everyone's going LIKE HIT IT NOW.

12:17 HE'S LIKE NOT YET.

12:19 NOT [laughter] AND THEY'RE LIKE WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE AND HE'S

12:21 LIKE NOT TILL I SAY AND THEN EVENTUALLY LIKE THEY GET

12:24 to the last MOMENT HE'S LIKE NO AND HIT LIKE THAT'S KIND

12:27 OF how I look at this and I'm like we're not now yet.

12:31 I'm still saying shut the[ __] up.

12:33 We're going to get there.

12:34 We're going to get there.

12:35 And then I'll know that I hope I'll know that moment where

12:38 it's like[ __] it just every I mean I throw every dollar I

12:41 have at this, but like throw every resource I have get in debt

12:44 up to my eyeballs for like a month and like just just go.

12:47 Yeah.

12:48 Now the nice thing is I mean I know what you're saying.

12:50 The nice thing is it's I feel like that'll be there,

12:52 but you and you could drive yourself crazy trying to find the right moment is.

12:57 And I I will [clears throat] say I mean one thing that you kind of look back on.

12:59 If you do the work, I feel like it kind of just works out.

13:02 That's right, man.

13:03 That's why we like that's the thing.

13:05 I get as present as I can and I've gotten way better at it at like today, right?

13:12 So we have up the volume in what we do so much.

13:15 We're putting out three episodes a week, two three-hour episodes

13:19 Which is insane.

13:19 It's it's nuts.

13:20 And you are doing things that are I mean

13:22 for me not to take anything away from my stuff,

13:25 but this one's probably a little bit easier than a guy that's coming

13:27 in like I was watching the the one the guy that forget his name.

13:32 He was talking about homeschooling and it was Oh, Spencer Taylor.

13:35 Just yeah and he you probably have to really make sure

13:39 you don't sound like an idiot when like he comes in there.

13:41 So you got to you have to make sure that you're on top of it reading stuff.

13:45 I know he has that documentary that he put out.

13:47 I still have to watch it,

13:48 but it's it you're already kind of doing you're already all in.

13:52 Anybody would say that that knows you.

13:54 You're already all in.

13:55 But I mean obviously but there's always people that are going to be like oh,

13:58 we could take it to this level, that level.

13:59 Maybe you could just like you could just do it yourself.

14:01 Who cares?

14:02 It What I mean is I've been all in since day one.

14:05 All my money goes back into this.

14:07 I've been doing it 7 days a week since March 13th, 2020,

14:09 but when I when I'm talking about that moment it's like where you hit it

14:13 and suddenly those[ __] 15 phone calls you got to make to set up 15

14:17 things instead of one or two like I said just do it and you don't

14:21 think about like how much debt you're going to go into for that minute doing it.

14:25 I know what you're saying.

14:25 That's all it is, but for me the only thing money is when

14:29 I get it at the end of the month is it's just firewood.

14:32 You just put it back in.

14:33 Yeah, it's I take it.

14:34 I go oh, cool.

14:36 Right back in.

14:37 Yeah, you pay rent.

14:38 You pay for all the studio stuff and everything and then you you go back

14:41 in, but I mean that's how you probably why

14:43 you've gone from where you were on April 14th,

14:49 2022 to where you are in 2026 and but it's the present thing

14:54 is probably the thing that I if I could have one skill, it's that.

14:59 Yep.

15:00 And I I try to I try to be better at that.

15:02 I I'm a guy who it doesn't happen a lot, but I catastrophize a lot.

15:06 Like Catastrophize?

15:07 The arc [laughter] I said that wrong.

15:10 I like that.

15:11 I'm going to use that.

15:12 But I like I spiral.

15:13 Ah.

15:15 Um and I think but and you think oh, this isn't going to work.

15:18 That's not going to work.

15:19 And it's not a negative thing.

15:20 It's just something that I've found out about myself

15:22 throughout the years that I'm just like yeah, I spiral.

15:25 What happens?

15:25 What gets you to that?

15:27 I'm not sure why.

15:28 Um I try to get the What gets me there is oh, let's say you try something.

15:34 You do something new.

15:35 It doesn't work out.

15:36 You're like oh, all of this is going to end.

15:38 There's like a fear that I have that tomorrow it's just this was all a facade.

15:42 100%.

15:44 and it it and I guess you could call that What's the term?

15:47 Uh impostor syndrome, but I have to remind myself no and also you have to remind

15:52 yourself I was talking to you about my buddy who was a cop.

15:54 He told me years ago he's like oh, Navy SEALs have this rule where it's just

15:58 worry about the next meal until the next meal.

16:02 So all right, I'm going to eat at 6:00 p.m.

16:06 Now it's now until 6:00 p.m.

16:07 Obviously you have to think about the future,

16:09 but truly outside of a few kind of moments here

16:13 and there it's really the the present is only that matters.

16:16 So I try that's the thing that I probably work on the most to try

16:19 to be more present than thinking too far

16:22 down the line and there's always new social media.

16:25 We were just talking about Facebook, Substack.

16:27 There's always new platforms.

16:28 There's always new ideas, but you just want to make sure that you're

16:30 on top of everything and you don't lose momentum.

16:35 That's like that's a fear.

16:37 100%.

16:37 Yes.

16:38 It's like when you start to ruminate on things that haven't happened and are out

16:41 of your control in addition to that driving you I I I like that catastrophize.

16:47 I'm going to use that.

16:47 It's better than spiraling.

16:48 Like it it creates these catastrophes so to speak that haven't happened

16:53 in your head and while you're doing that you're not doing something.

16:56 Yeah.

16:57 And when you're doing that and you're spiraling you're just you

16:59 get into this zone of you're almost ruminating on a 0.001% probability.

17:07 And there's proof in the work, but my fear and what I spiral on is like

17:10 the algorithm's going to change and just boot me out.

17:13 Yeah.

17:14 But what's the value in that when you're

17:16 trying to make the next thing that works?

17:19 Not very high.

17:20 But it also you know what it does?

17:21 It keeps you humble, too, which is great.

17:25 Like that I love that.

17:26 That's it's like the double entendre this job.

17:30 You're tortured by the fact that you're like holy[ __] what if

17:32 I wake up tomorrow and no one wants to listen to anything, right?

17:36 But then the other idea is like[ __] that's how replaceable you are.

17:39 Yeah, oh yeah.

17:40 You better be great.

17:41 You know what I mean?

17:42 Yeah, and I mean Yeah, and I'm I'm definitely concerned about AI in its own way.

17:48 How so?

17:49 For you.

17:50 I remember last year I was at a Meta conference.

17:54 Meta like their uh you know, when the CEO goes up like Steve Jobs used to do it.

17:59 Mhm.

18:00 Yes.

18:00 And I was there and they invited me.

18:02 It was great.

18:03 But I was talking with this guy who's big in AI and he's

18:06 like he he was like for the next 2 years your goal should be

18:10 to get this flyover effect where you are almost sought out because in 2

18:16 years he feels the AI will be able they'll people will create creators.

18:23 They will take what you do and they'll be able to do

18:26 it and they'll be able to make 75 versions of you,

18:29 find one that works and then that person just does it and it's not a person.

18:33 It's AI.

18:34 Now this is a guy that's big in AI and maybe a bit too confident.

18:38 So I I thought of that, but the flyover effect thing was he was

18:43 saying people are going to start to not understand what's real and what's not.

18:49 That's right.

18:51 But if they know you're real, they'll seek you out.

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20:30 So, the flyovers that you kind of reach

20:32 an exit velocity where you're above all of the AI.

20:36 And I think there's people that that's that's the goal.

20:39 Yeah, it's escape velocity.

20:41 I love that term.

20:42 So, you almost get above, but the thing is,

20:44 I mean, I think of people that look I It's funny.

20:48 You We were just talking about all those oh It's going to go wrong.

20:50 It's going to go bad.

20:51 I think of myself as people as will ask, "Oh,

20:54 how did you do it?" How did And I'm just like I'm still doing it.

20:56 I don't really even know.

20:57 And then also it's like I just kind of got lucky.

21:02 [laughter] I have confidence in myself.

21:03 For sure.

21:03 But I started making videos when Tik Tok was like very popular.

21:06 Yeah.

21:07 And I started making blog,

21:09 and I was I had the the backdrop

21:12 of and the kind of the blueprint of making or writing blogs.

21:17 And so, I knew, oh, I know what people like on the internet.

21:20 I'll just do this in video form.

21:22 And then I just kind of got in the algorithm.

21:24 I don't know if And what if I was 5 years older?

21:28 I mean, it's it's very hard to grow now.

21:31 I just got in at the right time.

21:33 Yeah, that's that's an interesting point.

21:35 Like I you know, I'm sure you can relate to this.

21:38 There's so many messages now that I see maybe 1 or 2% of them,

21:42 but when I see one and and especially if I see one and a message says like,

21:47 "Hey, I'm thinking about starting something or doing something I'd love

21:50 to pick your brain." I always try to take that call.

21:52 Sometimes I drop the ball on it, but I've been on a lot of calls with people.

21:56 Cuz I never want to be the guy that was like you know,

21:59 someone looked up to and then acted

22:02 like they didn't believe in them or something.

22:03 I have a real phobia about that.

22:05 So, I I talk with people and and I ask them like,

22:08 "What are you trying to do?" "Oh, I'm trying to do a podcast." "Oh,

22:10 I'm trying to create this kind of content." "Oh,

22:11 I'm trying to do that." And I try [clears throat] to be real with them, too.

22:14 Like, "Hey, first of all, if that's your dream, go get it.

22:16 Don't don't let anyone tell you not to.

22:18 Secondly, have you thought about this?

22:20 Or have you thought about that?" And just like how

22:22 you're going to get started doing that because it was already,

22:26 when I moved to this in early 2020, extremely saturated.

22:30 Yes.

22:30 It, especially in 2022, 2023, the saturation went like that.

22:36 I think in everything with content.

22:39 It is nuts, man.

22:40 And that's what I think they're saying, too.

22:43 That AI point is, it's already saturated with real people.

22:46 Yeah.

22:46 And so, and it's going to become saturated with fake people, too.

22:50 There's already fake like I it's more it's obvious to our eye,

22:55 where it's I think there was a guy that said

22:58 that he he was running a fake MAGA girl Yeah.

23:02 Instagram.

23:03 And she was just it very easy.

23:06 I mean, if you want to make if you want to make some money, Yeah.

23:09 just be a fake MAGA girl and then just take

23:11 Jack Posobiec's talking points and tweets and make them your own.

23:15 And just say, "Hey, chat GPT chat GPT redo this point and then

23:21 make a video of it." And AI-generated MAGA girl to grift super dumb men.

23:26 And I And so, and like you put yourself in a farm

23:30 or some[ __] and then people believe it, and then I mean,

23:33 if you're okay morally with it, taking [laughter] those people's money,

23:37 then that's your I'm not here to tell you you can't.

23:39 But it's a great thing that you can do.

23:41 And this And But And there was another one I saw.

23:43 It wasn't politics-related.

23:46 It was there's just this chick who's like she's a fake farmer.

23:49 But there's videos of her.

23:50 She does look real.

23:51 I know it's not because of little AI,

23:53 but I I'm sure if I showed my father, he would think it's real.

23:57 Do you see how So, there's two examples come to my head right now.

24:01 There was a speech that Varys gave to Tyrion

24:05 in like the first or second season of Game of Thrones,

24:08 where he's talking about the three people the three

24:11 different types of people and who has the power.

24:13 And he's like sitting there like the stage play saying it.

24:16 There are all kinds of videos that have reinvented him saying something new.

24:20 Exactly.

24:20 And they look dang Like I have to go like this.

24:23 Like, "Well, I know that's not real,

24:24 but could I tell if that's not real if I hadn't seen the show?"

24:27 But here's the thing, and that's the stuff that they're putting out there.

24:30 That's just what they Exactly.

24:31 And now that goes back to like what who what's the AI that the military has,

24:37 that the the government has, that people have that are are really Now,

24:41 I was just talking about the moral morality of scamming [laughter]

24:45 people in middle America that are 65 years old

24:47 that think they're talking to a a hot MAGA chick.

24:50 Mhm.

24:51 But we know that these people in high places,

24:55 what are they doing that is And I mean,

24:58 I was even thinking of I was in the car on yesterday,

25:01 and I was thinking about how uh there was a guy he was uh the Uber driver.

25:07 And next to it, he had one of those classic like

25:08 uh bank robber kind of but it's more a winter hat.

25:12 But you only see the eyes in the face.

25:13 mask, yeah.

25:14 Yeah.

25:14 But I was thinking to myself, there's probably ways now to where skin-tight Yes.

25:20 that is even So, you can go and rob a bank or do something or try an assassin,

25:26 and that's not actually the person.

25:27 I think about this often.

25:29 And it's probably a leak.

25:32 Like we see these makeup artists and stuff,

25:34 but there's probably stuff out there that is And now, I'm not saying I know it.

25:38 I'm just guessing.

25:39 No, no, you're but you're right.

25:41 There's There's two thoughts here.

25:42 First of all, Annie Ja- I always say this say this way.

25:45 Annie Jacobsen wrote about this 5, 6 years ago when she was writing about DARPA,

25:49 whenever that was, if people remember what year that book came out.

25:52 That you know, that there was data that DARPA

25:54 was telepathically talking to dolphins in like 1992.

25:58 Like what the[ __] else do you think they have?

25:59 There's some of these things that they come out that they were like,

26:02 "We were doing this in 1965." So,

26:04 what are they doing right[ __] [laughter] now, dude?

26:06 Yeah, they're running the city.

26:07 No, that's why I'm like That's why I'm like I can't like I I do care,

26:12 and I understand there's real-life decisions that have to be

26:14 made by politicians that get that affect people's day-to-day lives.

26:19 But there's And we're we're just learning about what

26:22 the ruling class is doing 20 years ago, 30 years ago.

26:25 What are they doing now?

26:26 Now, I'm not saying there's like I hope I I don't know.

26:28 And they could be doing things that are just insane that go beyond our I mean,

26:33 even Trump talked about a uh I think he called it discombobulator,

26:38 that the the machine that they used in Venezuela,

26:43 where it's like they went down and like these people like they

26:45 just they pressed a button and these people just got violently ill.

26:49 And he called it the discombobulator.

26:50 He loves the discombobulator.

26:52 Did he describe what that looked like?

26:54 I can't remember.

26:54 No, but if you remember, the New York Post came out with an article about it,

26:58 talking how there was or maybe there was

27:00 somebody that worked for the New York Post that said the new or the the military

27:04 used a new machine that completely ruined Yeah.

27:09 Yeah, scroll over.

27:10 What's that?

27:12 That's all from the ground from what they used.

27:14 That's not public.

27:16 You see like these Yeah.

27:17 But like that that's like they have access to the things And I mean,

27:21 I think Trump does say more than the typical president has,

27:26 but there's probably things that are being used that we're not even

27:30 What's going on with that ballroom, bro?

27:31 Uh well, the ballroom So, I

27:34 ballroom or is it the ballroom?

27:36 So, there's always been something underneath the White House, right?

27:39 Yeah.

27:40 And there's always been like the the bunker of sorts.

27:43 Mhm.

27:43 Now, are they building something else underneath there?

27:46 I'm I'm not sure.

27:48 It's privately funded.

27:50 Yeah.

27:51 Yeah, I I I don't know.

27:52 I mean, this is this goes to what's what's what's underneath there.

27:55 I mean, I think it's more It could be a bunker or it

27:57 could be a place where it's like you could put It's a modern-day bunker,

28:01 {quote} {unquote}, that you could put the president

28:03 of the whoever needs to be down there, and they can just control everything.

28:07 No one can get down there.

28:08 It's almost impossible.

28:10 I don't know.

28:10 It's very cuz like Trump is you wonder how

28:15 calculated he is while trying to appear uncalculated sometimes, Yeah.

28:20 right?

28:19 That's the ultimate question about him.

28:21 That's a double entendre.

28:22 But this is literally been like the weird reflexive

28:25 talking point that he's gone to since Charlie Kirk died.

28:29 Whenever he's talking about something,

28:31 could be Charlie Kirk dying, could be the Iran war,

28:34 could be attacking Venezuela, could be what the Fed did yesterday.

28:37 Somehow in the conversation, he goes, "But do you see the ballroom?

28:40 We're working on that.

28:41 Obviously, it's a very important thing." Like what is this about?

28:44 So, is that or is that just his ego where he wants

28:47 to have a final thing like you he wants to build another monument.

28:52 That's essentially the Trump monument Right.

28:54 on the where in DC.

28:56 And is this just his ego talking or is he

28:59 this brilliant And that goes back to kind of this time traveling.

29:02 There's that theory of that book that came out like

29:04 in 1904 that bear It's like the the times of Barron Trump.

29:09 Have you seen this?

29:09 No.

29:10 Wait.

29:10 Okay, this is Look up like the theory behind Barron Trump and time traveling.

29:17 And there's this there's this book from like 1904 before Trump.

29:21 I think Nikola Tesla's involved in some way.

29:24 Oh, well, Tesla his apartment,

29:27 when it was raided after his death, it was Donald Trump's uncle.

29:31 Yeah, so it was all Yeah.

29:34 All right.

29:34 Well, this is real.

29:35 You're not making this up.

29:36 The theory that Barron Trump is a time traveler stems from uncanny similarities

29:41 between Donald Trump's youngest son and the protagonist

29:43 of 19th-century novels by Ingersoll Lockwood.

29:46 The theory suggests that Barron Trump,

29:48 a character who travels throughout time guided by a mentor named Don,

29:53 [laughter] PREDICTS MODERN POLITICAL EVENTS.

29:55 YES.

29:55 WITH some speculating the Trump family possesses time travel technology.

29:59 The Lockwood novels written in 1890s,

30:02 Barron Trump's marvelous underground journey

30:05 and the travels and adventures OF LITTLE BARRON.

30:09 THOSE ARE THE THINGS that I'm like I'm like dude

30:12 wait.

30:13 Feature a young rich boy named Barron who lives in Castle Trump.

30:17 You can't make this[ __] up.

30:18 I'm like and then you think about Barron and it's and you

30:22 you think of all the theories with Barron [laughter] Oh wait yeah,

30:24 he's seeing the fractals, bro.

30:26 And then it's and then is Barron the next one up per se and then

30:30 also you think about his other sons that have kind of been forgotten, Don Jr.

30:35 and um Eric Trump and I mean think about Tiffany Trump.

30:39 She's the most forgotten one.

30:40 Yeah, poor kid.

30:41 [clears throat] Yeah yeah, but she it may be better that way because Don Jr.

30:46 can't walk around New York City.

30:48 Nope.

30:49 But Tiffany Trump people [snorts] point it out

30:52 but like I mean Kai Trump That's the granddaughter.

30:55 Granddaughter.

30:56 She goes to it was a bad timing.

30:58 She goes to Erewhon with her secret service.

31:00 Do you know where Erewhon where Erewhon is?

31:01 Erewhon?

31:02 Oh, it's a LA One?

31:04 No no.

31:05 Erewhon is this it's a Instagram it place to go in LA that is a grocery store.

31:12 Think a Whole Foods times 100.

31:15 And it's very expensive.

31:16 Hailey Bieber has a smoothie there.

31:18 It's good.

31:20 But Erewhon anyways, strawberry I'm a bodega kind of guy.

31:24 Yes.

31:25 $21 for a strawberry glaze $21?

31:27 [laughter] Go[ __] yourself.

31:30 Dude, I can't believe you don't know Erewhon.

31:33 So here, this is where I have like the NPC brain where I

31:36 know all about all these like random things that It's why you're here.

31:39 Yeah, but exactly.

31:41 She goes to Erewhon she does she she wants to be a YouTuber.

31:44 She does a YouTube and she's like I took my and it's

31:46 a very it's a thing if you're not from LA.

31:49 Influencers go out there and they go I go went to Erewhon for the first time.

31:54 She goes with the secret service and it was in the midst of [sighs]

31:58 It was in the midst of something.

32:00 Can we Google that?

32:01 Yes.

32:01 Oh, that's Maybe it was when we were back in Iran?

32:04 It was something like that and people were making

32:07 fun of her like how dare you do this?

32:08 People are starving.

32:10 Your your grandfather and then but she's just doing this stupid video.

32:14 Right.

32:15 And why it struck a nerve here we go.

32:16 But she's this 18-year-old girl who isn't even in college yet.

32:19 Oh no, she she she may be at Miami.

32:22 She's about to be.

32:22 She's about to be.

32:23 What was the headline, D?

32:24 Sorry.

32:25 Kai Trump's cringey Erewhon gross That's how they spell it?

32:29 K A I What?

32:30 Like Kai's not Oh wait, Erewhon sorry yeah.

32:32 Yeah, what in the name of[ __] medieval times is that?

32:35 Erewhon grocery store haul and why it struck a nerve.

32:37 All right, let's go down.

32:39 So this is from March 11th.

32:40 Kai Trump, the president's 18-year-old influencer

32:42 granddaughter went to a grocery store.

32:45 And a lot of people aren't happy about it.

32:46 That's cuz she didn't go to just any grocery store.

32:48 She went to Erewhon, a trendy market in Los Angeles notorious

32:51 for wacky wellness offerings and exorbitant prices.

32:53 In a YouTube video titled I bought I brought my secret secret

32:57 That was what I brought my secret service to Erewhon posted March 9th.

33:01 She documented her experience where she bought a smoothie

33:04 for $20 each and her bill came out to $233.

33:08 I'm about to go like

33:10 [laughter] She didn't [snorts] She didn't help herself.

33:13 Let me let me get this line out.

33:17 I'm about to go like bankrupt with this stuff, she said in the video.

33:21 I'm going to need to file for bankruptcy.

33:23 No.

33:23 I feel like you're going to be all right.

33:25 Her grandfather does know a lot about bankruptcy.

33:28 It's I like this line.

33:29 The French revolted for so much less.

33:31 Straight up Hunger Games at this point LMAO.

33:33 Let them eat Yeah, let them eat cake was what came to mind.

33:36 Now she's an 18-year-old kid obviously like I

33:39 was pretty when I was 18, so Exactly.

33:42 but optically Now it wasn't like she went to Erewhon and someone stalked her.

33:47 She posted it herself.

33:49 Yes.

33:49 So that's where I kind of get both sides

33:50 where it's like why are you attacking an 18-year-old girl?

33:52 But also you're posting it.

33:54 Public figure, too.

33:55 Public figure and if if you want to be a YouTuber That's right.

33:59 But yeah, she went to Erewhon.

34:00 She was going to go into bankruptcy over it.

34:02 There's a lot of quote tweets about it.

34:03 It was March 8th, so I think that's around when Trump Well,

34:07 Iran was February 20th the night of February 27th into 28th.

34:11 So there we go.

34:12 So it was a week into it and every So that's what I think a lot of people Yeah,

34:15 it's it's like this is my thing.

34:18 When you looked at the Biden administration for 4 years,

34:21 it was like a giant troll job, right?

34:23 You had a president who like the lights weren't even on.

34:26 Forget whether or not it was home.

34:28 A bunch of unelected people running the country.

34:30 You had[ __] luggage stealing transgenders running your nuclear department.

34:35 I mean it was like this greatest story of all time.

34:37 It was I didn't [laughter] realize people did I I think people do that a lot.

34:41 That's a thing.

34:41 What, the stealing luggage?

34:42 Yeah, people just show up and steal the luggage.

34:44 thing?

34:44 I think No, I think people just do it because they

34:46 know that like it's almost like a Storage Wars but for free.

34:50 Because

34:52 [laughter]

34:51 you're buying you're just you're just taking a bag and then you're like oh Well,

34:55 now Palantir's taking over the airports, so maybe it'll stop that.

34:58 yeah, so you'll you'll steal it and then

35:00 they'll kill you they'll they'll just shoot

35:02 shoot you dead or if you like you shared like the wrong Benjamin Netanyahu meme.

35:06 You also So it's either or.

35:07 Yeah, yeah, you're done.

35:09 But like optically, it was top to bottom

35:12 it was like embarrassing and you're like okay, it can't get worse than that.

35:15 That's right.

35:16 The Trump administration it's an entire it's hard

35:19 to explain but it's like a different language of it.

35:21 But the optics everywhere are awful.

35:25 Like they like I You have a lady with a fake face running[ __] the Homeland

35:31 Security Department and spending and spending millions of dollars

35:34 while her husband's wearing fake titties out there.

35:36 That in their defense they could have never known about the husband.

35:39 You got like Kash Patel who's one of the dumbest human beings and can't even I

35:43 mean he's looking at two places at the dead dead at the same time at all times.

35:46 But never be an investigation.

35:49 You got like top to bottom it's a similar

35:52 kind of thing just You know what I mean?

35:54 Like a different

35:54 No, it's a copy paste with a completely different actors.

35:57 It's very Now I but I think you know what I really think my my read on it

36:03 is I think the Trump ad and this is

36:06 what we kind of talked about before we started recording.

36:08 The Trump admin's kind of philosophy is it doesn't matter what the optics are.

36:13 We win.

36:15 Do you think that is how they've always

36:17 been or do you think they got this enormous[

36:19 __] big dick from like the culture shift

36:22 when they won the election the second time?

36:24 I say we win that's their philosophy.

36:26 I'm not saying they're winning I'm not saying they're right.

36:29 Right.

36:29 No no But I think and that maybe like they like the COVID stuff,

36:33 everything that happened at during COVID

36:36 and then kind of the Biden administration.

36:37 I mean he lost in 2020 even though he says he doesn't

36:40 but he lost in 2020 for re-election and then he won again.

36:44 It was this crazy comeback story but it really happened

36:48 uh because we went through this crazy time period in COVID

36:53 which I I think he gets a lot of[ __]

36:56 for for like I mean he was the president when it started.

36:59 That wasn't going to be stopped by anybody.

37:01 I agree.

37:02 I think that was you could have put anybody in it.

37:06 It would have been impossible.

37:07 The fact we even got to pull off

37:09 the 2 weeks is almost like crazy in the American

37:13 spirit where it's like the two like people

37:15 this country really did shut down for 2 weeks.

37:17 yeah yeah yeah.

37:17 The fact that that like people even kind of agreed to that is almost insane.

37:21 They eventually fought back.

37:23 And now today they would never agree to that.

37:26 It would never If that happened again,

37:27 it wouldn't and looking back at I don't know what I would have done.

37:31 That's why even like people get on Cuomo people get

37:33 on Cuomo did make some pretty bad calls about the nursing homes.

37:37 But [laughter] I remember Scott Adams who obviously more

37:42 of a Trump guy right when it Rest in peace, right?

37:45 Rest in peace.

37:46 He just died.

37:47 He was saying like he's like it's very hard to say to a Cuomo you

37:52 should have done this you should have

37:53 done that cuz you're not in those meetings.

37:55 You're not in those calls.

37:56 Now it doesn't help when it's just like at the same time.

38:00 At the same [snorts] time he's going through

38:01 another scandal and he's like hey, I'm Italian.

38:03 It's just how I do it.

38:05 the Dutch.

38:05 [laughter] It's nothing much.

38:07 I'm yeah, he's like I'm Italian.

38:09 And then you have the Blasio saying like here's

38:11 get the vaccine with the the Shake Shack fries.

38:15 So it's like Here comes the airplane.

38:19 [laughter] It doesn't it doesn't help.

38:20 So it's like But his point was like making

38:22 the calls is tough it for a lot of people.

38:25 That was an impossible situation.

38:27 Yeah, and [clears throat] it and when I talked to people about

38:30 it who were from like outside the Northeast corridor right here, right?

38:35 In other places of the country,

38:37 man do I totally understand their perspective too from the very

38:41 beginning where they were seeing like very little of it.

38:44 You know, they're like no one around them was getting sick.

38:45 Why is the whole[ __] world shutting down?

38:47 The weird part about here and I think this is why the psyop was so effective is

38:52 because if you remember the first 2 weeks it

38:54 was kind of nuts and no one knew nothing.

38:57 Bro, it was insane.

38:58 It was nuts.

38:59 I I stay So my dad has diabetes.

39:02 He's had diabetes since he was 20.

39:04 I think type one or what whichever one used like genetic.

39:08 Um so I was a little bit afraid to go home because at first you

39:11 were told like if there is like they were saying like diabetes is it turned out

39:15 more so that COVID was a little bit like if you had type two and it

39:18 was like if you were very overweight

39:20 and all that that was where you should avoid.

39:21 But I was a little bit concerned.

39:22 I didn't want to go home.

39:23 Like imagine I remember reading it was someone said

39:26 it's like the the risk of you being alone for a month or two is far is far less

39:34 than what you would feel like if you gave somebody COVID.

39:39 Now and then like imagine if you were the reason your father died.

39:42 Like it would be awful.

39:43 Now that's what we were thinking at first.

39:44 were thinking.

39:45 Then eventually became clear it's like, oh you could like it's yeah.

39:49 But at first [snorts] I remember I walked around.

39:51 I went to Times Square.

39:52 It was in Yeah, I do.

39:54 And then you go to Times Square right now there

39:56 was it's not a joke there was literally nobody there.

40:00 It it was like a a weird dystopian movie.

40:04 Yeah, I remember we one of the when I was really making shorts

40:07 that was a clip that really resonated

40:08 my friend Taylor Ringgold back in episode 49.

40:10 He was talking about it cuz he was going into W F and the work every

40:14 day and he would just come he would ride in it from Long Island like 9:00 p.m.

40:18 at night.

40:19 And it was just like I Am Legend.

40:21 It tr- And you know,

40:23 I it's crazy because Feb- Friday I'll never forget this Friday February 28th,

40:29 2020 was the last time I was in New York

40:32 City before it until like 10 months later or whatever.

40:36 I was in Madison Square Garden the night that the uh city shut down.

40:41 East?

40:41 Yeah.

40:42 No[ __] I remember when they canceled those games.

40:44 So the Big East canceled the next morning.

40:47 They were going to play that like a 12:00 p.m.

40:49 game.

40:49 Yeah, I was supposed to go to that.

40:51 And I was at it the night before with my friends.

40:53 And that was the night that they

40:55 the that Thunder-Jazz game after Rudy Gobert went like that.

41:01 [laughter] That Thunder-Jazz game happened and they were like

41:03 you were hearing reports there was like the players

41:06 are like all in a circle with like their mouths tied and like it was insane.

41:11 And and that I think Trump gave a speech

41:14 that night too and my sister was studying abroad.

41:17 So my parents were freaking out and I was trying to be the voice of reason.

41:20 I was like, guys It's fine.

41:22 I would but I was I wasn't even saying from the COVID point of view.

41:24 I was like, guys if you think Trump and America's not going to get

41:28 a bunch of rich study abroad kids out of Europe you're I'm sorry you're wrong.

41:33 They're they're they're going to come home.

41:35 But the parents of course I get it.

41:37 You're a little bit freaking out.

41:38 I'm just like I want to get my she got home the next day was good.

41:40 She was fine.

41:41 But I was there and that was the last

41:44 time and then 2 days later everything was shut down.

41:46 Well this is what was crazy.

41:47 I was still working on Wall Street at the time.

41:49 I was like transitioning out of there.

41:51 Uh-huh.

41:51 But you know, I'm in it cuz I got clients and the market

41:55 was that was the February I remember

41:57 cuz Kobe Bryant's memorial was February 24th.

42:02 part.

42:01 And that's when the market started taking a[ __] was that Monday.

42:05 And so that Friday the 28th I'm in the city.

42:08 I have a meeting above Grand Central Station.

42:11 And I was early.

42:12 So I go down into the bottom of Grand Central

42:14 Station with the Bluetooth on to take some calls with clients.

42:17 I'm like[ __] refreshing the Dow and the S&P

42:21 and it's like like everything's red falling through the floor.

42:24 The Dow's like down like 1,700 points.

42:27 And I remember I'm getting off this call with a client

42:30 and I just look around and I see you know, thousands of people down there.

42:34 And there's you know,

42:35 there's dudes in military uniforms returning from service or whatever.

42:38 There's you know, a missionary trip over there.

42:41 There's a commuter going to an office over there.

42:43 And everyone's normal.

42:45 And I had this moment where I'm just like

42:48 looking around I'm like we're going to be all right.

42:52 Yeah, no Yeah, we're going to be fine.

42:54 And then just I was firm on oh by Easter.

42:59 Cuz I think Easter that year it even like shut down.

43:02 So and crazy enough I was in London 2 weeks

43:08 befo- like that February like 18th to 25th or whatever.

43:13 And during that time when you were around there uh

43:17 in London that's it started over there a little bit more.

43:20 I was almost shocked that we I I didn't get it.

43:22 Um I don't think I ever got it.

43:24 I never tested positive for COVID.

43:26 I did.

43:27 Yeah, I remember it.

43:29 Um I do And then I got [clears throat] a bunch after that but took a while.

43:33 Now maybe like but I did test a decent amount

43:35 cuz they made us test at work like once every Monday.

43:38 Uh there must have been for whatever reason our air

43:42 system must have been really good in our in our office

43:47 In Manhattan for Barstool?

43:48 Because even when people would get it no one else would get it.

43:51 It wouldn't become a office thing.

43:54 And I'm not that's not me saying like, oh it's fake.

43:56 I was just like I think for whatever it maybe

43:57 it was and we're in like a Department of Education building.

44:00 We're not in this really nice building.

44:02 We're in a building that's like it's

44:04 us then there's eight [snorts] floors Department

44:06 of Education then some FIT which is a college um in uh Fashion Institute

44:11 Yeah, Fashion Institute yeah.

44:12 So this is it's like old school New York building.

44:14 For whatever reason even when people would

44:16 get it we wouldn't it would not spread.

44:19 You know, I haven't thought about this in a while like this era that April, May,

44:24 June of the pandemic cuz this is when I was building the show around the clock.

44:28 I moved back into my parents' house building a studio and I would just you know,

44:31 be working all day and I'd follow some content in the background

44:34 but like that was the that was the Davey Day Trader era.

44:39 That was Portnoy's moment.

44:40 That's when that Call Her Daddy[ __] blew up

44:42 and somehow everyone was like actually paying attention to that.

44:46 And what's crazy is Dave got to give him a lot of credit for this.

44:53 He was like such an early voice of reason on this.

44:56 He saw what this was.

44:58 I I remember when he put out a video probably like early May 2020 Yeah, me too.

45:05 talked about he's sitting in his apartment and he talks about this Fauci

45:10 moving the goal post over and over and and you're just like, yeah.

45:15 And then Elon went on Joe Rogan on May 4th

45:18 and he was saying the same thing and you're like woah.

45:21 And suddenly you're looking at Elon

45:23 Musk and Dave Portnoy interesting pairing there.

45:25 And they're just saying like everything that we're being told

45:29 right now is not really what it is and these people

45:31 are just[ __] enjoying this and that was the click

45:33 moment where you're just like, oh my god, yeah.

45:36 It's crazy to think that first month Fauci was a superstar.

45:42 And then it all now he's I mean He loved it.

45:46 Yeah.

45:46 He Fauci yeah, I mean And he had

45:49 that kind of northeast accent everyone knows who he was.

45:53 and everything will be all right.

45:54 Shut the[ __] up.

45:56 Well that's that's the craziest part about COVID is how we've

45:58 been the mask thing that then you get into the vaccine.

46:01 I mean I get it.

46:02 I think they had the best of intentions.

46:04 Now maybe there was some powerful ruling class above everybody that You

46:08 still think they had the best of intentions after the[ __] we've seen?

46:10 They're[ __] eating babies out there potentially [laughter] but I don't

46:13 No, I know I know I know I know.

46:15 I just I mean maybe they just knew Fauci was

46:18 this guy who's like the he'll just do by the code.

46:21 I I feel like they felt looking back to the vaccine part is crazy.

46:27 It's crazy.

46:28 And it's not because it wasn't even a vaccine.

46:31 It wasn't like the polio vaccine.

46:32 It was something that was just And like [clears throat] how did

46:34 they how how do we even know if it was safe and effective?

46:37 It It looks like it.

46:39 Yeah, and we probably don't won't know for a while.

46:42 You need some long-term studies.

46:44 And but it was a huge bet and I get it.

46:46 But also you look at these other countries and I know they're a little

46:48 bit different but like Sweden just kind of left let everything just go.

46:52 But it's tough because there were so many people dying.

46:55 Yeah, they were also that's the thing.

46:57 They incentivized the insurance companies were incentivizing people hospitals

47:02 to put COVID on the certificate cuz hospitals were losing

47:07 money hand over fist cuz people were afraid to go

47:09 to the hospital if they had any type of problem.

47:11 And so they'd say, well you get 13,000 bucks

47:14 or whatever it was if someone died of COVID.

47:16 So some dudes had stage four pancreatic cancer been in the ICU

47:20 and then he dies and they go, call it COVID.

47:22 And suddenly that's a statistic.

47:23 I mean it it's nuts.

47:25 The[ __] incentivization like when you cuz now we look

47:28 at this from like the post-Epstein apocalypse and you're like,

47:31 holy[ __] Who was who really was pulling the strings here?

47:35 No, I don't know.

47:36 I wish I I wish I did.

47:37 That's what it's And you kind of see

47:40 it even more what just happened this past weekend.

47:42 The immediate responses and I don't blame people for it.

47:45 Right.

47:46 It's like, oh that was fake.

47:47 And I get why people say that because there's so many and obviously even putting

47:52 aside some of the things that were

47:53 a little weird about what happened this past weekend.

47:55 I'm more saying I get why people kind of are like that.

47:58 Yes, I dude even if there's stuff where I'm like, all right come on.

48:02 Let's relax.

48:03 Let's let things come out.

48:04 I can't sit here and let alone lecture like yell at people or get

48:10 upset at people for thinking the worst when there are some of the things

48:15 that people used to be called inherently crazy for saying that now are like

48:19 provably true and you're like guess I can't rule out this other stuff, you know?

48:24 And it's so funny because it and this is kind of I remember I was told

48:27 in just the really basic like AP maybe it

48:31 was US history or AP poli sci or whatever.

48:34 And they were just saying it they were saying politics is very simple.

48:37 If you look back the country goes one way and then it shifts

48:40 to the other way and then it goes back and then it shifts the other way.

48:44 And it's so funny because the people that were

48:45 mad at that were in 2020 to 2024 it's like, oh just take the vaccine shut up.

48:51 Like enough with the conspiracy theories.

48:53 Now those are the same people that are saying,

48:55 oh that was the fakest thing we've ever seen with but here's the thing.

48:59 It will it will shift back to in 10 years.

49:01 I could we will sit down here and then the same thing will happen.

49:04 And then it and the people that were the conspiracy

49:06 theories are the ones that aren't even questioning things anymore.

49:09 So it's like it's it's very it's just this shift back

49:13 and forth and that's where sometimes they lose me a little bit.

49:17 But I'm all for people I mean if

49:18 you want to ask those questions ask those questions.

49:20 I don't know how you would recruit a Caltech [laughter]

49:25 mixed skin kid that had a Blue Sky account that was

49:30 talking with William Stencel and like And he's going to live.

49:34 Yeah, and I don't and he has to go to jail for the rest of his life.

49:37 I don't know how you would recruit them, but Stranger things, you never know.

49:43 Like there is and that's where you can't

49:46 just run to stuff with absolutely no evidence to go off of, which to be clear

49:51 people were doing about 5 seconds after it happened.

49:54 Of course.

49:54 Of course.

49:55 the fact that your head runs to considering the idea that like,

50:01 "Oh, maybe it was MK Ultra." It's not crazy.

50:03 I was going to bring it up.

50:04 It's like maybe I'm MK Ultra or maybe

50:06 that discombobulator thing that we were just talking about,

50:08 maybe there's a discombobulator that can just trick your brain.

50:11 Yes.

50:11 I think like I don't know.

50:13 Yeah.

50:14 I think that's a crazy thing to say.

50:16 But I get why people are Like um yeah, you were talking about the mask earlier.

50:21 And I forgot about that, right?

50:22 Like we were walking around

50:24 Like maybe maybe like maybe Maybe you Yeah, the mask.

50:27 Jonna Mendez, who was like the godmother of like[ __] CIA disguises,

50:33 she tells a story and there's a picture of it.

50:35 She HW Bush was at CIA, obviously.

50:38 She knew him.

50:39 Like they had a close relationship and then he's

50:42 I think it was at this point he's president.

50:44 He's not vice president anymore.

50:45 He's actually president.

50:46 So maybe it's like 1990.

50:47 And she tells the story where she had come up

50:49 with the new prototype mask and she's like let's test it out.

50:52 She did a full briefing closer than you to me to him

50:55 for like an hour and then went like this and he was like,

50:58 "What the fuck?" 30 years ago, dude.

51:01 35 years 35 years ago.

51:03 What do you think they got now, bro?

51:06 [snorts] You know you see those videos of dudes putting on the mask and like

51:09 tighten it up like this and then putting the hoodie up and you're like,

51:12 "I I would not know." And that's a basic like,

51:17 you know, out of like a Spencer's store in the mall.

51:20 Yeah.

51:20 Yeah, they just want to steal to go get like uh get 50k in jewelry.

51:24 Yeah.

51:25 What are they willing to do where it's

51:26 like trillions of dollars are on the line?

51:28 I mean I I Now it's not even money,

51:31 it's power because it's like at a certain point.

51:33 I mean they All these people are fine for the rest of their life no matter what.

51:36 Mhm.

51:37 So it's That's not what it's about.

51:39 What?

51:40 It's not money.

51:41 I mean they already made it.

51:42 Money's a way of keeping score.

51:43 Yeah.

51:44 That's it.

51:45 And then they're just power.

51:47 I mean it's the egos.

51:49 I don't know if it's wanting their place in history.

51:51 I don't really even know because I saw a tweet [laughter] coming in here.

51:58 It was like So we're talking kind of on more of the theory side.

52:03 On the real side, there's a huge chance that this guy who just got arrested,

52:07 he thought he was going to become like a Luigi Manjione figure and he

52:11 was going to potentially kill somebody and then become a political kind of hero.

52:16 Yeah.

52:16 But no one gives a[ __] cuz he's not that good-looking and he's just

52:19 it's just he's kind of a weird he's a average-looking guy and he failed.

52:23 So that and I mean I think it's fair as a human

52:27 being to think of things from a probability point of view.

52:30 And yeah, there's there's a chance it's fake.

52:33 There's a chance that this guy's just crazy.

52:36 Um and there's a chance that he thought he could do something and then

52:39 also all the indications I can't believe they had it at this Hilton.

52:43 Yeah.

52:44 That's why they need the ballroom, Jack.

52:46 I know.

52:46 I know.

52:46 I know.

52:47 And then the first and I will say

52:48 I mean when these people are saying these things

52:51 and it's like the first time an FBI

52:52 director went to the White House Correspondents Dinner.

52:55 That's insane.

52:56 [laughter] You got C-SPAN[ __] throwing they were throwing side shots at it.

53:00 Can we pull this up, Dave?

53:02 Before the shots rang out,

53:03 they're like I guess C-SPAN this is like their, you know, Met Gala or whatever.

53:09 Yeah.

53:08 So they're they got the cameras for all

53:10 10 people watching at home and they're like,

53:12 "And there's Kash Patel.

53:13 To be clear, you need to be a credentialed media member.

53:17 I'm not really sure how he's here.

53:18 He's technically not in the cabinet." Hegseth was there, too.

53:22 Hegseth is in the cabinet though.

53:24 So that's more possible.

53:26 You know who I didn't see there?

53:27 Who?

53:28 Howard Lutnick.

53:30 Howard [laughter] Lutnick.

53:31 saw my boy Howie there.

53:32 This is interesting.

53:33 It's just really interesting.

53:35 Howard is.

53:36 It's funny because Howard's in every photo behind

53:39 and people will will not this one post tweets.

53:41 They'll be like, "Who's that guy behind

53:42 him?" And it's like the people that know, it's kind of that meme.

53:45 It's like the people that know.

53:48 [laughter]

53:47 Yeah, what's The people that don't know and it's like yeah yeah the guy

53:51 and it's like the people that know and it's like like deep fried.

53:54 Yeah.

53:54 It's if you go to Twitter, I just love the initial headline,

53:58 "Patel, I've never been intoxicated on the job." Excellent.

54:01 But if you go to Twitter,

54:02 type in C-SPAN Patel [clears throat] and they

54:05 like you just hear [laughter] like you

54:07 you just hear the[ __] the people doing this where in this Yeah, that's it.

54:12 That's it.

54:12 That's it.

54:13 All right, let's get volume on this.

54:14 This is great.

54:15 This is great.

54:16 We got to mark that cuz that'll be

54:18 We'll be discussing the dinner, talking about issues, taking your calls as well.

54:23 Looks like Kash Patel is at in the ballroom itself.

54:30 Do not know who invited him.

54:32 Again, you have to be a media organization and a member

54:36 of the White House Correspondents Association to have a table.

54:41 All right.

54:41 So so so C-SPAN's so interesting cuz it's WFAN for for like [laughter]

54:49 it's literally WFAN for international or not or for politics,

54:53 but even like less so.

54:54 It's almost a because WFAN for politics was like Rush Limbaugh and all that.

54:59 Like C-SPAN's kind of almost the They're the PBS.

55:03 Yeah.

55:03 Of of And people call in.

55:05 Like they literally call in.

55:07 Who is watching I've never heard of I I know people that watch If you

55:11 go into This is another thing that fascinates me is TV ratings for Fox News,

55:21 CNN, MSNBC are all driven by old people communities.

55:26 100%.

55:26 The average the average listeners 2 years ago was 68, 69, and 70 for the

55:31 They're all around the same.

55:33 Yep.

55:33 And then you hear about it's like and then

55:35 you hear from My parents don't watch news like that.

55:37 Maybe they'll turn it on if something's happening.

55:39 But like I've never been home and then

55:40 my you There's my dad watching MSNBC or Fox News.

55:45 But then I you talk to people it's like, "Yeah,

55:47 my grandfather You go home They have Fox News on 8:00 p.m.

55:50 to 8:00 p.m.

55:51 They haven't missed the five in 15 years." And I'm

55:55 [laughter] like I'm like I guess someone has to watch it.

55:59 I was with uh I my my dad's like just old-school passive.

56:05 You know, "What's that playing in the background?" Or yeah,

56:07 that sounds about right.

56:08 You know, like that.

56:08 And really smart guy,

56:09 he just doesn't have time to like actually pay that close attention.

56:12 So I'm down in Florida with him and I forget what it was.

56:15 He was asking me about like Tucker Carlson's opinion on something

56:19 Israel that he heard about.

56:20 So we have on when the war broke out,

56:24 Tucker did this like 90-minute sit-down explaining the whole thing.

56:28 Like, "I'm Tucker Carlson.

56:29 This is all wrong." And so we stick it on and at one point he goes,

56:34 "Obviously no one that supports this war except for, you know, I hate to say it,

56:39 but the people born between 1946 and 1964 watch Fox

56:42 News." And I'm just like driving the car looking straight forward,

56:45 not saying anything and my dad's just over there like Damn it.

56:50 Got him.

56:50 That's me.

56:54 [laughter] I'm just like that is entirely a joke.

56:56 How does Fox News handle that?

56:59 Because how do you keep your base while also trying to get new people in?

57:06 Cuz where what happens to those viewers?

57:08 Is it just kind of uh the people that are born and from 1965 to 1980 in 15,

57:14 20 years, they're the ones that are going to be uh watching?

57:18 I don't know I don't think so.

57:19 I don't know though.

57:20 I think they're right This is my guess.

57:22 I don't know cuz I don't know anyone at these networks in particularly,

57:26 but you know, when you look at CNN, when you look at Fox,

57:28 when you look at MSNBC,

57:30 I am guessing it's like they realized the boomer generation is the largest,

57:35 most overstuffed generation there is.

57:37 They're going to ride this turkey as long as they can,

57:40 suck the last bit of the[ __] fat out of it for money and for power

57:44 and to get things through like FISA warrants and Palantir and wars with Iran

57:48 and[ __] here and[ __] there and 10 years from now they don't care

57:51 if it's gone because no one below those ages is ever going back to that.

57:55 So they're just riding it while they can and sucking the rest.

57:58 And do you think What do you think happens?

58:00 So like that's the big question.

58:01 The people that are kind of rising up now like even right and or left.

58:05 Mhm.

58:06 Do you think these are people that can make the change?

58:08 Because I mean let's be real.

58:11 Trump was supposed to make the change.

58:13 That was his whole thing, draining the swamp.

58:15 But it it's not really Like you could even be someone that really

58:18 loves Trump and I think you could sit them down and say,

58:21 "Hey, you didn't drain the swamp." And they would kind of be like,

58:24 "Yeah." But it is it impossible to?

58:26 Um or is it just And is it Do you not have enough time to do it?

58:32 Or and is it he's trying to drain the swamp

58:34 and then the courts are There's these courts that stop it.

58:37 I I don't know.

58:38 That's more saying from his point of view or he was just lying.

58:41 He he needed the money anyways and Here's the thing

58:44 about Here's the thing about Trump that's so confusing to me.

58:48 When his first administration was very chaotic to me.

58:51 I have political differences with Trump.

58:53 I'm going to have political differences with everyone who goes

58:55 in there cuz I really don't identify with either party.

58:59 But like when you when once he was gone

59:01 and he was gone for a little bit, you know,

59:03 you got past all the hoopla with January 6th

59:05 and all that and you could really just think about it.

59:08 I remember in like 2022 looking back on his presidency and yes, it was chaotic.

59:13 Yes, you never knew what he was going to tweet.

59:14 Yes, there were things you didn't like.

59:16 Yes, there were very dumb people hired.

59:17 Yes, there were mistakes all over the place.

59:19 [clears throat] I'm not saying that wasn't the case.

59:21 But I remember thinking about like what everyone was so worried

59:23 about before he got in there and I was like Exactly.

59:27 I was like didn't happen.

59:29 I said I completely agreed with you.

59:30 I said COVID was going to happen

59:32 and whoever was in there like like whatever fine.

59:35 There were things mishandled.

59:36 Who cares?

59:37 Before that, I'm like, was it the worst presidency I've ever seen?

59:41 I was like, no.

59:42 No, George Bush was significantly worse.

59:45 I I don't think Obama was a great president.

59:47 I'm like, Trump was he was fine.

59:50 Now And now, this is why I say this.

59:53 When he was getting attacked, attacked,

59:54 attacked while he was out of office, they threw charges on this guy.

59:57 They[ __] you know, were they they they they[ __] almost killed him.

1:00:01 Like the whole bit.

1:00:02 Whatever that was.

1:00:03 You know, it was almost like, okay, we've seen this before.

1:00:08 He would like yeah, he's a liar.

1:00:10 Yeah, he's a New York guy, but like it would it can't be worse than this, right?

1:00:15 And then he comes in and it's opposite day on everything.

1:00:20 And it's a different kind of bad.

1:00:21 Like Biden's bad was a very different vibe to it like we talked about earlier.

1:00:26 This is a different kind of bad right here,

1:00:28 but it's bad and it's it to your point,

1:00:31 it is whatever the opposite of drain the swamp is.

1:00:33 They're literally building like a[ __] Palantir super fest nest

1:00:37 underneath the goddamn White House as far as I'm concerned.

1:00:39 Yeah, you know, I think that's a fair assumption.

1:00:41 I mean, what it what even is that?

1:00:42 And that's even like the 13th on the list of concerns.

1:00:46 Right.

1:00:46 I mean, I think you saw what happened in Venezuela and you're like,

1:00:49 okay, got in and got out.

1:00:52 In theory, you could be against it completely,

1:00:55 but it didn't get into this endless war.

1:00:58 But this what's going on in Iran, it could be endless again.

1:01:02 And then that brings us back to kind of Bush into Obama days and it's just Now,

1:01:07 also another thing that I'm thinking about is Now, is this just Trumpian?

1:01:12 Or are we going through this like where we're so in we're desensitized to it,

1:01:18 but there's so many things happening every single day.

1:01:22 The New York Times didn't even have the assassination

1:01:24 attempt on their back cover on Sunday morning.

1:01:27 Really?

1:01:27 Yeah.

1:01:28 Now, I don't know if that was because Saturday night into Sunday, what?

1:01:31 No, no, no, I saw it on Twitter,

1:01:32 but but but you I I don't think it was on the on the the but we're

1:01:39 and there's so many things that happen

1:01:40 and we over criticize everything, which is great.

1:01:43 I think pol- politicians should be over criticized if anything.

1:01:46 Agreed.

1:01:48 What will the next one look like?

1:01:51 It does it kind of go back

1:01:51 to the Obama thing where it's like nothing ever happens?

1:01:54 Or do we go back to the Biden where

1:01:55 it's like we have kind of a zombie running it?

1:01:58 Mhm.

1:01:59 Or is it kind of just the Trumpian politics exist and then there's

1:02:02 kind of the opposite effect of Trump that comes in that whoever wins,

1:02:06 I mean, if if it's Newsom, if it's uh I mean,

1:02:10 I guess Newsom's kind of the leader now.

1:02:11 I guess Kamala could run again.

1:02:13 I don't think they would run Kamala again.

1:02:15 run But she's she wins in these polls that they put out.

1:02:19 She does.

1:02:21 I Well, that's another thing.

1:02:22 The polls are legit joke.

1:02:24 The[ __] Soros polls?

1:02:25 Like what are we talking about?

1:02:26 But she can't put a sentence together.

1:02:28 Yeah, don't get me wrong.

1:02:30 I mean, I think she would be president.

1:02:32 Like Newsom is definitely or Josh Shapiro,

1:02:35 but I mean Josh Shapiro never win cuz of the Israel thing.

1:02:38 Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

1:02:40 They didn't pick him because of I mean

1:02:42 Picking Tim Walls is one of the all-time decisions.

1:02:46 Yeah.

1:02:46 Because you could have gotten a Tim Kaine who Hillary had,

1:02:50 who was just whatever.

1:02:51 Yeah, he was white milk toast.

1:02:53 Yeah, milk toast.

1:02:54 Tim Walls Tim Tim When he was walking out like this and then he's like,

1:02:57 I'm a football coach actually.

1:02:59 It's like get the[ __] out of here, dude.

1:03:01 And he got married like he his biggest his his favorite

1:03:04 thing of all time was like the Tiananmen Square.

1:03:06 He got married on the Tiananmen Square anniversary.

1:03:08 He loves China.

1:03:10 Minnesota's its own thing.

1:03:13 I felt it felt like a troll.

1:03:15 That's what it Everything feels like it's a simulation.

1:03:19 the thing.

1:03:20 That's the estab- like the established to an extent

1:03:22 I think it shifted a little bit in 2024, but the still got huge money from huge

1:03:27 donors of people that are the establishment.

1:03:29 I mean, George Clooney Mhm.

1:03:31 is the establishment.

1:03:32 And there's people there are so many CEOs that were supporting it.

1:03:35 So many companies.

1:03:38 How does that decision get made?

1:03:39 How does somebody not look at that and think, this isn't going to work?

1:03:42 I get why the Josh Shapiro thing didn't work,

1:03:44 but even with that concern, I mean,

1:03:47 she still had the same there was a big uh kind of looking

1:03:50 at why she lost and they still feel as if her like

1:03:54 a lot of people said it was like people didn't come out

1:03:57 because they were kind of concerned about her potential support of Israel.

1:04:01 So like if that was the Hers?

1:04:04 That's a huge No, a huge if I recall correctly,

1:04:07 they're kind of uh looking back on it,

1:04:13 a lot they're kind of when they went back and played

1:04:16 Monday morning quarterback and they did the full kind of analysis,

1:04:20 that was something that came up.

1:04:22 I guess to prevent some of the hard left vote from coming out.

1:04:26 That's what Yeah, that's what I'm saying cuz that that's

1:04:28 what like I don't think Kamala had an issue.

1:04:30 I think Kamala was another president of Auntie

1:04:32 on a string who wasn't going to do a goddamn thing.

1:04:35 of course.

1:04:35 But like when you write down her policy positions,

1:04:38 that was one of the things she had Trumped in.

1:04:40 Dems working on secret report found Gaza costs Cuz she didn't speak up enough?

1:04:45 Yeah, but even though she like here's the thing,

1:04:48 you're trying to please people that eat she what could she possibly say?

1:04:54 Right.

1:04:55 Now, I understand it, but these are people that want it where it's like, oh,

1:04:57 they want uh the thing that she probably would have had to do

1:05:00 there would be you I'm going to recognize Palestine as its own state.

1:05:06 Yes.

1:05:06 And but then also I mean,

1:05:08 this is what this is the issue with political stuff and then

1:05:10 political suicide and then you she'll probably lose a lot of donors.

1:05:14 I mean, that's the kind of that's why it's like

1:05:16 I can't imagine wanting to be political to that extent.

1:05:21 If you just do stuff online, you talk about stuff online, it doesn't matter.

1:05:23 You have your own[ __] home, you can defend yourself, all of that.

1:05:27 You're out there.

1:05:28 You have to play so many games.

1:05:30 Yes.

1:05:31 And that's why I even I think that's why I kind of feel

1:05:33 a little bit Kamala's her own thing, but I I feel bad.

1:05:37 It's like you can't But then again, you picked this power-hungry game.

1:05:40 You knew it.

1:05:41 You could have stopped after you were in California.

1:05:44 You could have like And then also,

1:05:45 you can get out and make[ __] $5 million a year being a consultant.

1:05:51 Why do you think they go for it when they know they they're going to be owned?

1:05:54 I think there is a power and ego desire within people that I can't

1:06:00 fathom and that's probably just because like

1:06:02 my mother and father were just great.

1:06:04 They don't really have it.

1:06:05 Right.

1:06:06 There's some people that just it's inside of them.

1:06:10 It may be genetic.

1:06:11 Let me ask you this cuz I was thinking this earlier.

1:06:14 Like how well do you know Dave Portnoy?

1:06:16 Not well eno- not well at all.

1:06:17 He's just my bo- he's just my boss.

1:06:19 And I like that he's my boss that it's more Yeah,

1:06:22 he's not someone that really unless you're an OG,

1:06:25 I don't think you really know him that well.

1:06:26 But you you probably know a little bit more

1:06:28 about him than the average person on 100% Okay.

1:06:32 So like Dave Portnoy, self-made, built this whole thing standing, you know,

1:06:37 on at at train stops handing out paper newspapers in '03 after leaving his job.

1:06:43 I respect the[ __] out of it.

1:06:44 Builds this up over so many years.

1:06:46 Ends up taking some some chips off the table selling to Carlyle Group in 2015,

1:06:51 whatever that was, part of it.

1:06:53 Maintains full control though.

1:06:55 Ends up then getting that back,

1:06:57 but then giving up to Penn and maintaining control of the company,

1:07:01 but not having control of the overall thing and then somehow ends up

1:07:04 getting his $500 million investment back for $1 and gets the whole thing back.

1:07:08 He's as far as things are concerned like[ __] a billionaire.

1:07:13 And yet to me, everything I hear,

1:07:16 he still hungrily attacks every day just like he did 7,

1:07:21 8 years ago even like that.

1:07:23 he's definitely somebody that's a little bit more Well, obviously,

1:07:27 he's still an ambitious hungry guy because if not, he would have just went away.

1:07:32 100% not like back when I started, he was in the office every single day.

1:07:37 Now he's he goes he's in Florida.

1:07:39 He kind of runs like it I mean,

1:07:41 it's kind of an operation that's a little bit And also,

1:07:43 I think it's strategic cuz he knows that he's not going

1:07:46 to be around forever and not wanting to do everything Barstool related forever.

1:07:50 So he needs you're you're almost forcing the content employees that you have

1:07:55 to almost make it by themselves without him if that makes sense because

1:08:00 still be Here's my question, Jack.

1:08:01 Still being so big, so involved publicly,

1:08:04 clearly the face of the brand and all that, he seems from the outside,

1:08:09 even if there's some things where he's thinking about the future

1:08:11 like that, he seems like he is still driven to build,

1:08:14 build, build, get this thing bigger, get this thing bigger.

1:08:17 I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, by the way,

1:08:18 but I'm curious like for a little lesser parallel

1:08:21 here to like running the[ __] country or whatever,

1:08:24 what makes a guy like that who's done more monetarily than

1:08:28 or in his wildest dreams want to still have that drive to do that?

1:08:32 I think it's two things.

1:08:33 One, I may sound like a boot licker,

1:08:35 but I think he truly he bought the company back.

1:08:38 He said this pub- publicly.

1:08:40 He did say he was like, I just want to keep this company break even.

1:08:44 We want to grow, of course, but we want to keep it break even.

1:08:46 I think he actually cares about the people that he employs.

1:08:49 Um he will call them names and everything,

1:08:51 but he's a he's he's New England, Boston.

1:08:53 Like he's going to call you stuff.

1:08:54 If he really hated you, he'd fire you, right?

1:08:56 He'd get rid of you.

1:08:58 And then also, I think there's like I mean,

1:09:00 he's a guy that always he probably would have been doing what

1:09:03 he's doing if it never really worked out the way that it did.

1:09:07 And he makes all this money.

1:09:08 What's he kind of I'm he he may like kind

1:09:10 of being uh front and center, but not that much.

1:09:15 I don't know.

1:09:16 Why does he do it?

1:09:17 There may be a little bit of a but also,

1:09:19 what do you do once you make all that money?

1:09:21 Do you think you would stop?

1:09:21 Let's say I give you $100 million now.

1:09:23 I don't think you'd stop.

1:09:24 Maybe you do one a week.

1:09:26 But even though, I don't even know,

1:09:27 you strike me as somebody that would do it still two or three times a week.

1:09:31 Maybe there's a little bit better of a setup and it's a little

1:09:34 bit like you would have more options

1:09:36 just because money is buying power literally.

1:09:40 But, I think it's also I think about it like

1:09:41 if you got this money like what would you do?

1:09:43 I I don't know.

1:09:43 I mean, it kind of gets boring if you just Yeah, I'll never fully retire.

1:09:48 Exactly.

1:09:48 You You would get bored.

1:09:49 I think about it.

1:09:50 And maybe And he does And I think he really

1:09:53 likes the idea of like he can give back to people.

1:09:55 He did that whole Barstool Fund thing.

1:09:57 He loves to help individuals that very sad stuff that happens with police,

1:10:02 firemen when there's just awful things that happen on the job.

1:10:06 And of course, there's a lot of things that happen all the time.

1:10:07 He can't do it for every person, but he does that a lot.

1:10:10 And so, maybe he's like I don't know what makes him tick.

1:10:13 Yeah.

1:10:14 I I don't think it's an overall power desire dynamic

1:10:18 because he's not hitting everybody up every day and being like,

1:10:21 "Make sure you do this.

1:10:22 Make sure you do that." He kind of lets you run free.

1:10:24 That's cool.

1:10:25 Which is really cool and especially from a creative point of view.

1:10:28 So, let's bring it back to the politicians then.

1:10:29 Can I go to the bathroom quickly?

1:10:30 Oh, yeah, yeah.

1:10:31 We'll be right back.

1:10:33 All right, we're back.

1:10:34 So, what I what I was going to ask you was you

1:10:36 brought up the original point where we got on that tangent about,

1:10:39 you know, Dave and like he looks at power.

1:10:42 You brought up the point of like what is it for these politicians

1:10:45 that they want to do it where they're still going to be bought off,

1:10:48 but like there's something about the power

1:10:50 that they they love even though they could get

1:10:52 out of that and go make $5 million to go give a speech somewhere or whatever.

1:10:56 So, do you think it is a parallel on a way higher scale

1:11:00 to like in a bad way in this case to like Dave like,

1:11:03 "Well, I just want to keep continuing.

1:11:05 I built Barstool, so I'll just keep continuing.

1:11:07 It doesn't matter how much money I have." And they're like,

1:11:08 "Well, I became a politician,

1:11:10 so I'll just keep continuing." And that means I need to try

1:11:12 to be this position instead of that position or get to the highest position.

1:11:15 Yeah, so maybe it's just that they continue to try to get to that next step,

1:11:22 the next goal along the way.

1:11:24 But, yeah, it is a good point that maybe it's

1:11:26 just them continuing and they've done it for so long

1:11:30 and maybe they've done things and this kind of goes

1:11:32 to a lot a lot of a lot of the other theories.

1:11:35 It's like they've maybe they've done things along the way

1:11:38 that they I'm not saying this specifically about Kamala.

1:11:42 I'm saying this just in general.

1:11:43 Maybe they've done thing things along the way and maybe they can't stop.

1:11:47 Maybe there's a little bit of a No, you're going to do this or else.

1:11:51 And now, what is that else?

1:11:53 We expose this.

1:11:54 We expose that.

1:11:54 I mean, that kind of goes back to all of the blackmailing.

1:11:56 I'm sure that exists.

1:11:57 And now, my bigger question is how big is it?

1:12:00 Right.

1:12:01 And is it as big as kind of the Is it not

1:12:04 big or is it as big as the craziest thought about it is,

1:12:10 which It's in the middle.

1:12:11 It's in the middle, which is still pretty damn big.

1:12:15 Yeah.

1:12:14 And this goes back we talked about Kristi Noem's husband

1:12:18 with the the fake big boobs or whatever he that he's into.

1:12:21 Whatever was going on there.

1:12:24 He had to tell Kristi Noem and the FBI

1:12:27 or maybe CIA before she started or maybe in the midst

1:12:31 of it because they were saying they will use

1:12:34 it like other countries will use this as blackmail.

1:12:37 So, we need to know about this.

1:12:39 Wait, he told them about it?

1:12:40 I think before it became public.

1:12:43 If you look it up, he had to tell

1:12:45 intelligence agencies because they could have used it

1:12:48 when she got the job.

1:12:50 Yes.

1:12:51 And they still gave her the job?

1:12:53 No way.

1:12:55 I I'm pretty sure that was in the those articles.

1:12:57 You can look it up.

1:12:57 Like it's it's there.

1:12:58 I mean, I think the intelligence agencies were saying, "Hey,

1:13:01 we need to know." They may have even found it and said,

1:13:05 "We need to know about this.

1:13:06 Is it true?

1:13:07 If it is, we need to be prepared for blackmail

1:13:09 about it." Because that's how these Where's that blackmail from?

1:13:15 Who knows.

1:13:16 Could be from our allies.

1:13:17 Could be from other people as well.

1:13:19 You never know.

1:13:20 You never know.

1:13:21 That's the thing.

1:13:21 There's no there's no such thing in my opinion as a full-blown ally in any way.

1:13:27 Mhm.

1:13:28 Everyone is looking to one-up everyone around the world.

1:13:32 There's no such thing as that.

1:13:33 Are there places that are certainly closer friends and friendly?

1:13:37 Yeah.

1:13:37 But, we still all spy on each other.

1:13:39 Like here uh Kyriakos How do you say his Kyriaku.

1:13:43 Kyriaku, he was talking about that, too.

1:13:45 And he's talked about it in all a lot of interviews.

1:13:47 It's It's everywhere.

1:13:48 And he was I think he was referencing it's like when he he worked with I mean,

1:13:52 he probably has the ultimate brain

1:13:53 for this, but it's like when you work with spies,

1:13:55 I mean, they're spying on you already.

1:13:57 And even when you go [laughter] and work

1:13:59 with a specific agency that's supposed to be your your front,

1:14:03 they're probably spying on you, too.

1:14:04 I mean, what like I'm sure Mossad knows everything about everything.

1:14:08 Yes.

1:14:08 And that's their job, though.

1:14:10 And they're You can hate them.

1:14:12 They're really good at it.

1:14:13 They're the best in the world at it.

1:14:15 I mean, that's probably why we allied up with them.

1:14:17 To an [snorts] extent.

1:14:18 I mean, that goes all the way back.

1:14:19 I'm not the biggest expert on that, but I will say I mean,

1:14:25 like we send them money because they probably give us stuff back.

1:14:28 Yeah, but they give us[ __] intelligence.

1:14:30 Yeah, and that's what Yeah.

1:14:31 to so many people who are like they give us the intelligence that they want

1:14:35 the intelligence to be so that we can

1:14:37 go do the things that they can't do themselves.

1:14:40 Which by the way, let me be clear.

1:14:42 I think the same way if I were them.

1:14:44 But, the fact I think what has pissed off Americans more than

1:14:47 ever is the fact that our people continually go along with that.

1:14:51 And we're like, "Why is that?" That's interesting.

1:14:53 I think it's it's really valuable to ask all those questions.

1:14:57 Why is someone an ally?

1:14:58 And then I mean, I even think I mean,

1:15:01 when I'm discussing and thinking about NATO and all

1:15:03 of that, it's like we're paying all of this extra

1:15:06 and we're doing all of this for kind of countries

1:15:09 across Europe to exist in their own kind of Yeah.

1:15:12 fantasy world?

1:15:13 And then we if anything goes wrong for them, then we have to come in.

1:15:17 And then we're also getting screwed on a lot of those deals.

1:15:20 That makes sense to me in terms of why you'd be against it.

1:15:24 But, you have to ask those same questions

1:15:26 about a military point of view as well.

1:15:29 And I mean, the Middle East I mean,

1:15:31 we'll we'll probably die without having answers about the Middle East.

1:15:35 And the other issue is that, you know, this isn't the 1980s, 1990s America.

1:15:41 Mhm.

1:15:41 We don't have a burgeoning middle class like we did back then.

1:15:44 People are being left behind.

1:15:45 This dystopian world has shown its[ __] fangs especially over the last 6,

1:15:50 7 years more than ever.

1:15:51 And people are losing They're getting apathetic and angry.

1:15:56 And jobs are going to start going away.

1:15:58 That's right.

1:15:59 And specifically jobs of kind of those middle class

1:16:02 and that may doesn't really even exist anymore, but even more so.

1:16:06 And that goes back to kind of I was

1:16:07 talking about AI from a content creation point of view,

1:16:10 but the bigger question like what happens?

1:16:13 I really don't know.

1:16:14 Now, is this going to be And this is kind of the Gary Vee point of view.

1:16:19 It's like, "Oh, there's always new technology.

1:16:22 There was the radio.

1:16:22 They freaked out about that.

1:16:23 The internet.

1:16:24 The printing press.

1:16:26 The uh the the line and the uh in the Why am I blanking?

1:16:33 Like where they would like mechanic like people

1:16:36 used to have jobs working in car uh factories.

1:16:40 Assembly line.

1:16:41 Thank you.

1:16:41 Like all these things that jobs have always come and go.

1:16:44 That's right.

1:16:45 But, this one feels a little bit different.

1:16:47 If And that's And to Gary Vee's point, that's what we say about everything.

1:16:51 This one feels different.

1:16:52 This is the new normal.

1:16:54 The question is we've never created something that can actually outthink us.

1:17:01 And it's only going to get smarter.

1:17:03 And it's only going to get smarter.

1:17:04 Now, let's go back to what you were saying earlier about when you

1:17:06 were talking with the Meta AI guy cuz this is fascinating to me.

1:17:10 Now, I just want to make it clear that wasn't a guy that worked at Meta.

1:17:13 It was a another influencer there.

1:17:16 Got it.

1:17:16 Okay.

1:17:16 But, they they were but I didn't hear that from a Meta AI specific person.

1:17:20 I just want to make that clear.

1:17:21 is someone that you would characterize

1:17:23 as being very much in that space understanding.

1:17:26 Okay.

1:17:27 So, I think there's something to be said about commoditized content

1:17:32 to where let's say you're someone who's not necessarily like a personality.

1:17:35 You're just a here's how to do this or whatever content.

1:17:39 And there's nothing particularly special or charismatic about you

1:17:42 that draws people to you in like an artistic communication way.

1:17:46 Yeah, you're in trouble.

1:17:48 You're in deep trouble with AI.

1:17:50 But, I do think and I don't think this is the bias of my industry

1:17:53 and and being in this stuff thought about

1:17:55 this a lot over the past 5, 6, 7 years.

1:17:58 I do think the actual substantive communication, which has a whole range to it,

1:18:04 topics, all all different subcategories and stuff like that.

1:18:07 But, things where people need to feel like there's that thing where it's

1:18:11 a person and they can relate to them and it's what it is.

1:18:14 While there will be some AI that I think

1:18:17 is so good that when people first hear it,

1:18:19 they could get tricked,

1:18:20 I think that the the veil of companies also revealing what is AI,

1:18:26 which is going to be important to legislate.

1:18:28 Like YouTube will have to say this channel's AI or Facebook will

1:18:31 have to say this this page is AI and stuff like that.

1:18:34 Once we as long as we have those guardrails set up,

1:18:36 I think once people know that like let's say they're listening to a show

1:18:40 talking about current events or a guy telling a story or something.

1:18:43 Once people inherently know that it's not a human talking,

1:18:47 they're not going to get into it.

1:18:48 That's why that Drake and The Weeknd AI song that was[ __] fire when you first

1:18:53 like hear the first bars of it that came out a year and a half ago,

1:18:56 no one listens to that cuz it's AI.

1:18:58 I know, but like that one of the top Spotify country songs recently AI.

1:19:06 But, did it What happened when it got revealed to be AI?

1:19:08 I don't know.

1:19:08 I think I don't know.

1:19:10 And so, I just my response to that, even though I think I agree probably 90%,

1:19:17 is what happens when it gets too good?

1:19:19 And also, what you just said and I I actually agree with what you were saying,

1:19:24 but you're talking about Congress,

1:19:26 you're talking like we can't rely on those people to make the right calls on AI.

1:19:29 Uh they[ __] up everything else.

1:19:31 How are they going to be the ones that put the guardrails?

1:19:33 Now, it's kind of it's really kind of scary,

1:19:36 but also like I mean the big the big people here are Elon,

1:19:40 Zuck, um TikTok's its own thing with China,

1:19:44 and now it's in America, but it's like that's Oracle now.

1:19:47 And then and you you could talk Yeah,

1:19:49 then and and then I mean who knows maybe these are

1:19:52 all These are the people that really will control it.

1:19:54 And how good will they be at identifying AI?

1:19:59 And that's also a real concern, too,

1:20:00 cuz it's like at some point Donald Trump represented the outsider

1:20:04 to places and people just like many of those people you just mentioned.

1:20:07 And now term two, right from day one,

1:20:10 they're on the dais at the[ __] inauguration.

1:20:12 And then the next day they're rolling out AI.

1:20:15 With Larry Ellison,[ __] Altman.

1:20:17 Altman.

1:20:18 I like what is that, man?

1:20:20 And then I mean obviously Elon's involved,

1:20:22 and then like Elon and Altman are kind of going back and forth,

1:20:25 but that could even be fake just like I mean

1:20:27 it could really be fake just they're just showing Oh, there's different thought.

1:20:31 They used to like each other like a decade ago.

1:20:33 And they probably like those are two

1:20:35 guys that probably could like each other tomorrow.

1:20:38 It's the same thing with Elon and Trump.

1:20:40 They get they go back and forth one time one day Elon

1:20:42 saying that Trump can't is on is That's why he's not releasing them.

1:20:46 He's on the Epstein list.

1:20:46 And the next two months later he's at Mar-a-Lago.

1:20:49 Right.

1:20:50 They're almost But here's the thing, is that calculated or is or is everyone

1:20:54 just running around with their heads cut off?

1:20:57 I I don't know.

1:20:59 question, man.

1:20:59 What if it is reality TV versus what if it is really just a clown show?

1:21:05 I think a lot I think that it may be both,

1:21:07 but even think about you said reality TV,

1:21:09 and of course I go back I mean that's Trump's bread and butter.

1:21:12 And that's why when I said earlier it's

1:21:14 like Trump the the thought process behind Trump

1:21:17 and everything in that in that administration is

1:21:21 if people forget about something, it doesn't matter.

1:21:22 We go on to the next day.

1:21:23 You just keep going.

1:21:25 You literally it won't matter and it may matter,

1:21:29 but it's more so their philosophy is we don't care.

1:21:32 We continue on.

1:21:32 That's kind of Trump's entire thing, and you kind of see that from what he wrote

1:21:36 in his books and everything where he's just he's Oh, I don't care.

1:21:39 I I just keep going.

1:21:40 He learned like he really took what Roy Cohn told him to heart.

1:21:44 You never[ __] admit defeat.

1:21:46 You always change the What are the three things?

1:21:48 It's like admit nothing, deny everything, and keep going.

1:21:50 He doesn't He Yeah, basically.

1:21:52 Yeah.

1:21:53 But he he doesn't he doesn't care.

1:21:54 He just laughs it off.

1:21:55 Or he's like oh, you're wrong.

1:21:56 And then attacks the media member, and then just keeps going.

1:21:58 But here's the thing, how many media members Attack, attack, attack.

1:22:01 Attack, attack, attack.

1:22:01 And then and then he just continues on.

1:22:04 Yep, attack, attack, attack, admit nothing,

1:22:06 deny everything, claim victory, never admit defeat.

1:22:09 What does that sound

1:22:09 Yeah.

1:22:09 And then also Trumpian move is make everything worse,

1:22:13 and then make it a percent better, and then say look, [laughter] We won.

1:22:17 We won.

1:22:18 Exactly.

1:22:18 We got the straight of hormones open for an hour.

1:22:21 Yeah, IT WAS TOTALLY OPEN[ __] FOR FREE TWO MONTHS AGO.

1:22:24 NO, I KNOW.

1:22:24 I know.

1:22:25 Now, but here's the thing, what Trump will say will be well,

1:22:28 now look at the American oil.

1:22:30 Like we're going to produce more here.

1:22:32 Now, was that his goal and thought process when he did it?

1:22:36 Or it's [snorts] also kind of like in a weird way,

1:22:40 and even Democrats will admit to this, Trump somehow always comes out on top.

1:22:46 This feels like it may be over.

1:22:48 Like the run may be over, but he just But think about it.

1:22:51 Like January 6th happened.

1:22:54 He denied every election result.

1:22:56 He won the election four years later.

1:22:59 He came out on top.

1:23:00 I mean happened two days after January 6th?

1:23:03 On January 8th?

1:23:05 Forget Forget all the controversy over whatever happened January 6th.

1:23:09 Just ignore that.

1:23:10 Yeah, no.

1:23:10 I know.

1:23:10 What happened on January 8th?

1:23:11 Remember when it was there, right?

1:23:13 And it was like oh, this is bad.

1:23:15 He was he was castrated on January 7th.

1:23:20 He was Like even like his hardest core supporters are like all right, I can't.

1:23:25 Just all right, whatever.

1:23:26 Like two weeks and all right, well whatever.

1:23:29 January 8th, he got kicked off the internet.

1:23:31 Everywhere.

1:23:32 And they immediately made him an underdog.

1:23:35 Immediately they made him the guy who was being attacked,

1:23:38 and he got to say look what they're doing.

1:23:39 They're doing it to the sitting president.

1:23:41 What do you think they can do to you?

1:23:43 Then a year a year and a half later they raid

1:23:45 his wife's panty drawers and charge him with all these crazy[ __] charges.

1:23:50 Then he almost gets his head blown off and They they

1:23:53 kept It got to the point where people were like yo,

1:23:55 this this[ __] And then he has a mugshot.

1:23:58 Yeah.

1:23:59 And people wear it on a shirt.

1:24:01 But that's the point of what I was trying to say.

1:24:03 It's like we just win.

1:24:05 And it's almost luck,

1:24:06 but it's just there's a I I was talking with a my friends I

1:24:09 was and people are it's there was uh it's I think a Jewish saying.

1:24:15 There's just like a north star of sorts

1:24:17 where it's just like no, it just works out.

1:24:20 And it's in like the Torah or whatever.

1:24:22 And I there's it's in every culture, too, but I forget the the term,

1:24:27 but Trump kind of has that where it's just kind of And then

1:24:31 also like Dave Portnoy gets the company back for a dollar.

1:24:34 Right.

1:24:35 And it's like He finds the caller daddy.

1:24:38 Yeah.

1:24:38 And then but Trump and then like oh,

1:24:40 people attacked Dave, but then he just keeps going.

1:24:43 What are what what are you going to do?

1:24:44 And then you find the next um Yeah, D found it.

1:24:49 Cancel Sulitova.

1:24:50 This phrase is rooted in Jewish tradition

1:24:52 specifically with the sage Nachman Ish Gamzu.

1:24:55 There we go.

1:24:56 it to mean that even in a situation that appears negative,

1:24:59 a greater good or spiritual lesson will ultimately ultimately emerge.

1:25:02 Which there's something to be said for that, too.

1:25:04 Like in a serious way like, you know.

1:25:07 there's something viral on Twitter right now.

1:25:08 It's like the placebo effect of sleep.

1:25:10 Yes.

1:25:11 Tell yourself you slept well, suddenly you feel like you did.

1:25:14 And then like there's just kind I mean

1:25:16 this is kind of this goes back to it's maxing.

1:25:19 Like I mean and I mean no disrespect to anybody like

1:25:22 but read maxing is the idea of like no, I'm going to win.

1:25:25 It's [laughter] like I I guess the better term is delusional maxing,

1:25:28 but it's like obviously if your if your leg if you got shot in the leg,

1:25:31 you can't delusional your way through it, but it's Right.

1:25:34 Next Oh, who who cares?

1:25:36 The power you're freaking out.

1:25:37 I don't care.

1:25:37 The power of belief is real, though.

1:25:39 Oh, it's insane.

1:25:39 I don't I mean that's probably that's something that yeah.

1:25:42 And that goes beyond religion.

1:25:44 Like or it is religion,

1:25:45 but it's where you know, we've had religious wars forever.

1:25:48 But it's the power of And that's what Yeah,

1:25:51 but the power of And that's what And this is kind of more of on the crazy side.

1:25:55 It's like why do you think they gave people all those wearable like trackers?

1:25:59 Cuz when it when you I'm not saying it's fake,

1:26:01 but it's like you see that you slept shitty, then you slept shitty.

1:26:05 Mhm.

1:26:06 But if you just like oh, no, I don't sleep bad.

1:26:10 And you just keep going.

1:26:11 I[ __] you not, cuz you're referring to that tweet.

1:26:14 I saw the same tweet this morning.

1:26:15 Yeah, people were talking about with the like the Whoop,

1:26:17 the which are great companies, but yeah, or the Oura ring.

1:26:20 Well, no, no.

1:26:21 I the first one you mentioned about the uh placebo placebo effect.

1:26:26 Like I didn't sleep very well last night, cuz I went to bed late.

1:26:30 And I[ __] you not, on my walk I I'm

1:26:32 very routine I have the same exact routine in the morning.

1:26:35 It's the one part of my day [clears throat] I control.

1:26:37 And on my walk to the gym, I just told myself I said I feel great.

1:26:40 I slept[ __] great last night.

1:26:42 And I had a really good workout this morning.

1:26:45 go.

1:26:45 I was like wait a minute.

1:26:47 Wait a minute.

1:26:47 And also the human The one thing I remind myself of is the human body's insane.

1:26:51 Yes, it is.

1:26:52 It's the like AI can't replicate it.

1:26:54 It's like it's truly like the human body,

1:26:56 think about all that's been through for forever.

1:26:59 You know, it's funny you say that, cuz I was

1:27:02 The what what got me thinking about that the other day

1:27:04 Now, obviously there's things that happen,

1:27:06 and it's not This is we're all talking within reason.

1:27:09 Yeah.

1:27:10 Like you can't delusional max your way through cancer.

1:27:13 But you may you may be able to really think positively,

1:27:16 but you should like you you go to the doctor,

1:27:18 you all that, but the little thing like sleeping and then also kind

1:27:22 of this idea where it's like when things go bad it's like oh, who cares?

1:27:25 Now, that's really hard to do.

1:27:26 But the ones that have perfected it, Trump's probably one of them.

1:27:30 Yes.

1:27:30 I I do think no matter what, there's something to be said for that.

1:27:34 He really he has a delusional and I

1:27:38 would wouldn't even call it a positive self-belief.

1:27:41 He's always negative in how he talks, but like for himself and for winning,

1:27:45 he has a delusional positive belief and reinforcement.

1:27:50 And when you repeatedly use words like tremendous,

1:27:53 terrific, amazing, we went above and beyond,

1:27:57 we won like never before, many people were saying it,

1:28:00 many many people, you start to see those things.

1:28:03 Yeah.

1:28:03 You start to see it.

1:28:04 Now, that has [laughter] a lot of negative effects.

1:28:06 Yes, yes.

1:28:08 he's like he buys it.

1:28:10 Oh, he buys it to his deathbed.

1:28:13 And I mean even like in theory I mean not

1:28:16 to say I mean we just saw what happened with Eric Swalwell.

1:28:20 Trump had very similar things, too.

1:28:22 Now, the but Trump just continued on.

1:28:26 Yeah.

1:28:26 Swalwell's dead.

1:28:27 Not dead dead, but he's maybe he'll pop up on like MSNBC eventually, but

1:28:31 That was a hell of a[ __] He

1:28:33 had a diddy-esque apology video or whatever that was.

1:28:37 It's like all right, let's sit in a hotel room.

1:28:39 Let's make sure we're in front of the hotel blinds,

1:28:41 which is totally not where they film pornos.

1:28:43 And by the way, don't wear a tie.

1:28:44 Open up your shirt.

1:28:45 Act like you just[ __] and you're finishing

1:28:47 to talk about why you didn't[ __] sexually assault

1:28:51 part about him is I think the that stuff where that's obviously

1:28:56 not good what happened with all the his staffers and all that.

1:28:59 That man dated a Chinese spy for multiple years.

1:29:02 Oh, yeah.

1:29:02 Fang.

1:29:03 That's While he was on the Intelligence Committee for a long time.

1:29:06 That's right after.

1:29:07 And how often like that may be happening without us even knowing.

1:29:10 You do have to think I'm not think, but the honey pot stuff Oh, yeah.

1:29:14 Oh my god.

1:29:16 time.

1:29:16 And let's be real.

1:29:16 I mean there's like a lot of people that come from a lot

1:29:18 of these countries that they could find like a very attractive woman.

1:29:21 Send them over.

1:29:22 I I would just say how many honeypots happen in DC?

1:29:25 Dude, I hate to say this.

1:29:26 I hate to be this guy.

1:29:28 I think about it.

1:29:29 Oh.

1:29:30 For myself.

1:29:31 Oh, 100%.

1:29:32 I think you should 100%.

1:29:34 I think about it for myself, too.

1:29:35 And you have to think about it just from a Like and I think uh there was

1:29:40 a uh article written probably months ago as how

1:29:44 it happens a lot in uh San Francisco.

1:29:46 Mhm.

1:29:47 And [clears throat] cuz they want to get the technology.

1:29:49 There was someone that worked I don't know if

1:29:51 it was Oracle or one of those top-tier ones.

1:29:54 There was a woman that he married that was [clears throat] a Russian spy.

1:29:59 Mhm.

1:30:01 She He was with her for 25 years.

1:30:04 Oh, I could tell you some stories.

1:30:06 Yeah, exactly.

1:30:07 I exactly, but The That's probably and that's public.

1:30:12 There's probably Like think about it.

1:30:14 of that.

1:30:14 And And they won't even Yeah, that's the spy who married people.

1:30:18 Inside the spy who married a techie,

1:30:20 inside the rise of sex warfare in Silicon Valley.

1:30:22 Chinese and Russian operatives are reportedly

1:30:24 using attractive women to infiltrate tech companies,

1:30:27 seduce employees, and and steal trade secrets.

1:30:30 And obviously this has been happening forever.

1:30:31 I mean, how long have operatives used attractive women?

1:30:34 Forever, probably.

1:30:35 That's cuz that's the number one weakness of of of powerful men.

1:30:39 I mean, in men in general.

1:30:40 It's like Dude, I I and I I hate myself for even It's

1:30:45 an It feels like a I feel guilty and it's like an impure thought.

1:30:49 I think of it as I look through some of the ego Like an ego thing, too.

1:30:52 It's like why would anyone want but I especially you?

1:30:55 Dude, you have an influence that is and you probably

1:30:58 don't even think about it cuz you're in this studio.

1:31:00 You're in this studio.

1:31:01 You're you and you just like, "Oh, we did the podcast.

1:31:03 That did well.

1:31:04 Nice.

1:31:04 We got to do the next one." I mean,

1:31:07 I really mean this from a a true point The impact

1:31:10 that you have is very dangerous to a status quo that already exists.

1:31:15 Now, there's a lot of you but not really.

1:31:17 I know you think there's a lot of you, but not really.

1:31:20 But you know how insane it is to be

1:31:21 able to post a video with a random home school

1:31:25 Like I was advocating for homeschooling and it gets hundreds

1:31:28 of thousands of views and then that doesn't include clips.

1:31:32 People would pay brands would pay for that impact

1:31:36 and people that really want the impact,

1:31:38 hundreds of thousands of dollars for each one.

1:31:41 But you don't think about it cuz you're in this studio in Hoboken, New Jersey.

1:31:43 I did It's so It's [laughter] not No, dude.

1:31:45 You're You're nailing it.

1:31:47 Yeah.

1:31:47 You're It's just like and you wake up, you go to the gym.

1:31:49 I talk about it all the time.

1:31:51 Like I'm I'm an extremely private person.

1:31:54 I keep it which is so ironic cuz like you people get to know me doing this.

1:31:59 Like they they just do because I'm talking with people

1:32:01 of all different backgrounds for 3 hours at a time

1:32:03 multiple times a week and like they get to know

1:32:05 who you are and that is a nature of it.

1:32:07 But like there's this and then there's my life.

1:32:10 And what it's been since day one when I had zero followers 6 years ago

1:32:14 in my parents' house and pressed the upload button is the same it is today.

1:32:18 We're recording this not live right now.

1:32:20 No one knows you're here.

1:32:21 We're chilling in[ __] Hoboken and later I'm going to hit this magical button

1:32:25 that says upload and 5 days later I'm going to get back and be like,

1:32:29 "Wow, people watched that."

1:32:30 People watched it and then people are going to and people will clip it

1:32:33 and people will put it up and you'll put up on your own pages.

1:32:35 And then think about it.

1:32:37 You're talking to people all over the world.

1:32:40 Right away.

1:32:40 So, I mean And that's something that people need the impact.

1:32:45 I know.

1:32:45 I know.

1:32:46 It's It's like It like It's a thought when I

1:32:50 go through some of these especially when they're like a 12.

1:32:54 I'm like And then also But do you think like do you

1:32:58 Do you ever And I I think I've heard you discuss this.

1:33:03 Are you ever think about that from like who you invite on?

1:33:06 Yes.

1:33:07 And it Yeah, people don't see what happens behind

1:33:10 the scenes now with us talking about people coming on.

1:33:13 I hate that we have to have these conversations,

1:33:16 but I got some stories for you, man.

1:33:18 Yeah, exactly.

1:33:18 And you know And then also you I think people trust you.

1:33:21 So, you probably have gotten a lot of stuff and they

1:33:23 know They've told you things and they've never gotten out.

1:33:26 So, that helps.

1:33:28 But I mean, you've talked to so many people.

1:33:31 And like how many people And then there's the The chances are I mean,

1:33:35 and this isn't We didn't talk about Joe Rogan forever,

1:33:37 but people were posting uh they were like, "Oh,

1:33:40 look at all these people that were in the Epstein

1:33:41 files that were on Rogan." It's not fair to him.

1:33:44 That's not fair It's not fair to him.

1:33:45 Also, he did say no to to Jeff That's

1:33:47 a crazy story that that one guy wanted him on.

1:33:49 But He's had like a over 1,000 episodes.

1:33:52 It's It's It's It's The only one where I was

1:33:55 like and who the[ __] am I to talk, right?

1:33:57 No, you're a believer in not doing

1:33:59 Yeah.

1:34:00 stones from glass houses,

1:34:01 but when he had on Peter Thiel last year and this is before the Epstein stuff

1:34:06 came out and all that, but I was I was like I don't know about that one.

1:34:11 Like I feel like that's going to bite you in the ass.

1:34:13 But he also as from what I understand like he put

1:34:17 that off for a long time and then finally was like,

1:34:19 "Fuck it." Like All it takes is being like, "Fuck it" one day and you do it.

1:34:24 I know.

1:34:24 I know.

1:34:26 But you have Yeah.

1:34:26 Yeah, exactly.

1:34:27 With people that no one's ever heard of.

1:34:29 Yeah, exactly.

1:34:30 Exactly.

1:34:30 [laughter][ __] it.

1:34:30 Yeah.

1:34:31 You know?

1:34:32 So, I think people and and it's so strange.

1:34:36 People love to just[ __] rip apart Rogan for every decision he makes now.

1:34:43 And I'm like[ __] none of this exists without him.

1:34:48 Where were you when he was getting attacked by the whole machine 3 years ago?

1:34:52 Who were you?

1:34:54 You know, it's so Listen, he's not perfect.

1:34:57 But no one's perfect.

1:34:58 I think he has a great point of view.

1:35:00 He hits upload and then he just goes about his day.

1:35:03 I don't know Look, I don't know him at all.

1:35:05 I've never talked to him in my life.

1:35:06 Obviously, I have 60 friends in common with him.

1:35:10 I don't know that it's that simple anymore, unfortunately,

1:35:13 because he's been so viciously attacked again and again.

1:35:17 But from everything I hear,

1:35:19 the nonchalance of the actual recording is like just like it was.

1:35:24 Like he walks in, "Hey, ready to go?" Like let's go.

1:35:27 You know?

1:35:27 And that is the most important part.

1:35:30 It's a matter of I I think what happens

1:35:33 and it's not just like in podcasting or whatever.

1:35:35 I think it's in anything.

1:35:37 When something starts and it's just pure and there's not[

1:35:41 __] and there's not people yelling at you or whatever,

1:35:43 there's a there's a special upstart nature to it.

1:35:47 And then eventually it gets bigger and it's not your fault,

1:35:49 but it gets tentacles and it gets all these, you know,

1:35:52 hard stops at three emails and[ __] like that.

1:35:54 And I don't think he's gotten that, but with anything

1:35:58 you lose at some point like some of the luster

1:36:02 and the specialness because you're thinking about[ __] And that's

1:36:05 something I always try to pull back here cuz I'm like,

1:36:08 "Yo, 6 years in, this is just like it was day one.

1:36:10 I have to think a little bit more about some

1:36:12 people that come on, but like I'm still you know,

1:36:15 I put on a shirt about 60 seconds before you got here today." You know,

1:36:19 that's that's not even normal for me.

1:36:21 I'm like this dude that just rolls out of his apartment and talks

1:36:23 with people and I'm and I'm always saying we got to keep this purity.

1:36:29 However this is.

1:36:29 And if that means that I still have to like I do all the thumbnails, right?

1:36:33 If that means I still have to be doing that 3

1:36:35 years from now because we retain the purity,[ __] it.

1:36:38 I'll do it.

1:36:38 Yeah, the purity is definitely something that Yeah,

1:36:42 and once it grows even more then it really gets out of control because

1:36:45 then it's like I have these people that are working for me and it's like

1:36:48 that That's probably a question you got

1:36:49 to really think about as an owner and it's

1:36:50 like I have to make these decisions that for me I'm fine with the rest,

1:36:54 but there's people There's 10, 15, 20 people that work for me.

1:36:57 And then you don't want to screw them over.

1:36:59 Now, it's a lot easier when it's people that you know or Yeah,

1:37:02 I got my best friends working with

1:37:03 Exactly.

1:37:03 And it's like they're on You guys are all on the same page.

1:37:06 But once it becomes so big you have to make these calls that are really,

1:37:09 really difficult I would assume.

1:37:10 That's also something Rogan's done an amazing job with.

1:37:13 He doesn't have a huge He doesn't have a huge team.

1:37:17 I think the part that probably sucks for him is like

1:37:19 all the security that he has to do and[ __] like that.

1:37:22 That's different.

1:37:23 But like you know, you see all these other podcasts they

1:37:26 got[ __] 40 people with headsets when you walk up to it.

1:37:29 It's like that's not what this space was.

1:37:32 If I ever do that, put back of my No, it's figurative, not literal.

1:37:35 YouTube, don't demonetize me.

1:37:36 But you know what I mean.

1:37:37 40 40 No, yeah.

1:37:38 No, you go to some of these places

1:37:40 and there's there's a Like they have like 15 editors.

1:37:43 And now I get it.

1:37:44 It's great.

1:37:44 It's good for the economy.

1:37:45 It's good for the people that are doing it, but Yeah, yeah.

1:37:47 It's It's And they're they're really on every single word that you say.

1:37:52 I walked in here.

1:37:53 You You set up the cameras yourself.

1:37:55 You were adjusting them.

1:37:56 It's very simple.

1:37:57 You go to the bathroom when you have to go to the bathroom.

1:37:59 It's a very chill atmosphere.

1:38:01 There's some that you go to.

1:38:03 It's because these businesses, these companies,

1:38:07 they've seen what the power of the spoken word,

1:38:12 the media holds and new media and they need to get involved.

1:38:16 I mean, look.

1:38:18 OpenAI paid how much money for TBP and um which is the Tell people about that.

1:38:24 What's that show?

1:38:25 and it's kind of think of if the tech world had a sports center.

1:38:32 And they started a year ago.

1:38:34 What they get?

1:38:34 Like 200 million?

1:38:36 Yeah.

1:38:36 Now, I was a little bit surprised by the number knowing how I Now,

1:38:40 I don't want to sound like I'm hating on them.

1:38:43 WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?

1:38:45 NO.

1:38:45 WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?

1:38:47 EVEN I I HIT UP AND I hit up my agent.

1:38:49 I was like, "WHAT THE FUCK?" [laughter]

1:38:52 I WAS LIKE, "DID I JUST DO EVERYTHING WRONG?" And he was like, "Well,

1:38:55 OpenAI probably paid overpaid a little bit."

1:38:57 And then also And then also Here's the thing.

1:39:01 I think OpenAI could put a billion dollars in front of you.

1:39:03 I think you'd say no.

1:39:04 I'd say no.

1:39:04 Yeah.

1:39:05 I don't think you want to do it.

1:39:06 I'm I'm cuz I'm an idiot.

1:39:07 I'm genuinely[ __] Well, that's another thing where that is Is it better

1:39:13 to just play the game to the to the max degree?

1:39:16 But if you don't want to, then here's the thing

1:39:18 I think you would lose a lot of fans.

1:39:20 I would lose everyone and they they would know I

1:39:22 sold out and I wouldn't be able to live with myself.

1:39:24 Exactly.

1:39:24 So That's the most important thing to me.

1:39:26 So then why does it matter?

1:39:27 Now obviously you want money, but you're going to make money.

1:39:29 say that as a joke, but it's also like

1:39:31 they're valuing a and no disrespect to these guys,

1:39:34 but they're valuing them, you know, at 7,000 views an episode at $200 million.

1:39:38 So that's what I was going to say.

1:39:39 What the and me worth?

1:39:40 So that's what I was going to say.

1:39:41 And I'm not even trying to hate on them

1:39:43 in any way because I really think I hate when

1:39:47 you see other content people hate on other content [snorts]

1:39:49 people cuz it's like they're all doing their own thing.

1:39:51 Everything is valued different ways.

1:39:54 And also maybe they have this grandiose plan.

1:39:58 I like it then and I see the views that you do on every single podcast episode.

1:40:01 So that but that would throw the entire thing out of whack,

1:40:03 but here's the thing.

1:40:05 A lot of people aren't going to say yes to Open AI.

1:40:07 You know, and and that's another thing.

1:40:09 Pretend it wasn't Open AI though.

1:40:11 Like I'm a big believer in what have people done versus what do they say?

1:40:16 And it takes time.

1:40:17 You got to you know, you come out into the world,

1:40:18 you got to develop a reputation and that is the only

1:40:21 thing you die with and you're still forgotten about a week later.

1:40:24 But like so sad.

1:40:25 We were just talking about Kobe and Kobe get gets talked about,

1:40:28 but like Not like he should.

1:40:31 I mean that guy's like one of the most imp And you

1:40:33 can you can discuss Kobe in a lot of different ways, but yeah,

1:40:36 I mean there's people that die and like you could die now

1:40:38 and the president could tweet about you and say I'm glad you're[ __] dead.

1:40:41 Like think about that.

1:40:43 Yeah.

1:40:43 But think about that.

1:40:44 Now that's Trump, but just in general people die.

1:40:47 That's the sad That's probably and one thing I try to work

1:40:51 on a lot is like you shouldn't be you should be okay with your morality.

1:40:54 But yeah, no, that Listen.

1:40:56 I remember when I was 5 years old,

1:40:57 I remembered I remember thinking about like what

1:41:00 happens when you die and it's never left me.

1:41:03 What do you mean it's never left you?

1:41:04 Like I always think about that.

1:41:05 Not always, that's the wrong way to say it,

1:41:08 but I remember I was like 5 years old and I

1:41:09 remember I like wasn't I just maybe I cried out.

1:41:12 I remember asking my mom.

1:41:14 So like what happens when you die?

1:41:15 What she say?

1:41:16 She was like, "Oh, your grandma's in heaven and that's what happens in the like

1:41:21 that's what's going to and if you if you're a good person." I was five,

1:41:25 but I've always thought and just kind of death in general.

1:41:28 I'm always thinking about like your morality.

1:41:30 It's like damn.

1:41:32 And what this place goes on forever?

1:41:33 What happens after that?

1:41:34 It gives me anxiety in a way that's I can operate with.

1:41:38 It's not like a deathly anxiety,

1:41:40 but it's it's something that's probably been in humans forever.

1:41:43 Like that kind of like knot in your stomach where you're like, "Wait,

1:41:45 what happens after this?" But the people that I envy the most

1:41:51 are the guys that like modern day people that just don't care.

1:41:55 The guy that goes into the boxing ring or an MMA cage says,

1:41:59 "Fuck it, I don't care.

1:42:01 I'm going to go Right.

1:42:02 I'm going to go fight and yeah,

1:42:03 I could really like something really awful could happen.

1:42:06 Lock that cage it's me and another man and we're going to fight until the end.

1:42:09 Now obviously there's a ref, there's rules,

1:42:12 but those are the people that I look at and I'm like,

1:42:13 "Holy[ __] those are guys that don't give a fuck." Yeah.

1:42:17 You have to have a like a certain thing within inside of you

1:42:20 that's just and I'm talking even people that do it not even like oh,

1:42:23 you can talk about Ilia Topuria,

1:42:26 you could talk about Terence Crawford, you could talk about Floyd Mayweather,

1:42:29 but I'm talking even people that kind of just do it to do it.

1:42:32 to do it.

1:42:32 Yeah.

1:42:33 Everyone's wired differently and I there's two things

1:42:35 I always remind myself cuz I want to take

1:42:37 a step back for a second and go back to your question you asked a minute ago,

1:42:40 but like number one, I've only ever lived between my two ears.

1:42:43 I can psychologically look at data and see how other people think,

1:42:46 but I can never fully know how each individual thinks.

1:42:49 And number two and this is this is why I want to go back to your question.

1:42:52 One thing I always say is people and sometimes

1:42:56 I get caught doing it too and I just did.

1:42:58 People throw around the term if I were blank,

1:43:02 then I would blank about very serious things all the time and the fact

1:43:06 of the matter is you never fully know until you're faced with a decision.

1:43:10 So no one has ever put anywhere near a billion

1:43:12 dollars in front of me to be very clear.

1:43:14 Okay, yeah.

1:43:14 What I can say though is that I have had a lot

1:43:17 of money and Default test to this, Alessio will test this.

1:43:20 I've had a lot of money put in front of me in the 100%.

1:43:23 from people and I have instantaneously said no because I whatever

1:43:28 that thing is and maybe that's why I'm not well capitalized,

1:43:30 maybe that's why I don't own a house,

1:43:32 maybe that's why I haven't made nearly as much money on this show as I have,

1:43:35 but that thing that exists in people to where like the ultimate score

1:43:39 card is how much money they're making at all times, I don't have that.

1:43:44 I never have.

1:43:45 I am a fulfillment guy.

1:43:47 I am a guy that when I go to bed at night, if I look in the mirror,

1:43:50 I'm like, "Do I enjoy what I do?" Like I

1:43:52 think Gary Vee used to have a term about this.

1:43:54 There's people who are romantic about how they make money.

1:43:57 Mhm.

1:43:57 And he wasn't necessarily complimentarily complimentary in saying

1:44:01 that, but I realized early on, "You know what?

1:44:04 I am romantic about how I make money.

1:44:06 I only want to make money on things that I really

1:44:08 actually value and things that make me feel good and if

1:44:11 that makes me weaker than other people in being able to move

1:44:13 forward with a bank account like other people can and I can't,

1:44:16 I'm fine with that." Yeah.

1:44:19 I also think and this is probably something

1:44:21 and and this is what friends tell me, my parents tell me.

1:44:25 They're very supportive.

1:44:25 They're great.

1:44:26 I feel like that's one of the luckiest things

1:44:29 you can ever have is like really supportive parents

1:44:33 even just one, but both of mine I I just lucked out.

1:44:36 I won the lottery with that.

1:44:38 Me too.

1:44:39 is and this is what I'm going to tell you like the impact

1:44:43 you have is like I mean I know you don't believe this.

1:44:46 It's other worldly.

1:44:49 You're probably of I mean it's tough to say,

1:44:52 but of people in media like I mean there's

1:44:55 not a lot of people doing what you're doing.

1:44:57 I think you think of it that I know, but I really truly mean that.

1:45:01 It's like I mean you're we could pull up your numbers,

1:45:04 but like having consistently six figure,

1:45:08 seven figure views on podcasts and episodes just on YouTube.

1:45:11 We don't see the audio numbers.

1:45:12 We don't have that publicly,

1:45:13 but like then you add those up and you can like calculate.

1:45:16 You think about it.

1:45:16 That's an impact that like you can't you can put a monetary value on it,

1:45:21 but it's it's you you I don't think that really matters for you.

1:45:24 And you may even have a reputation cuz I know how all these places work.

1:45:28 Every[ __] talent agency in the world knows who you are.

1:45:31 Every UTA, CAA, WME,

1:45:34 but and every company not every company cuz marketing there's people like

1:45:38 and that's another discussion for another

1:45:39 time where it's like who runs marketing?

1:45:41 That's another discussion for another time.

1:45:42 But these people know,

1:45:45 but they also probably know it's like he doesn't want to do it.

1:45:48 They know like That's so strange.

1:45:50 But like like and then they're like I'm at W I've been at WME for a long time.

1:45:55 I love my agent.

1:45:55 He's great.

1:45:56 Yeah, but like those are people that there's even because then we get

1:46:01 to the discussion of and this kind of goes back to Peter Thiel.

1:46:05 It's like they've always tried to have

1:46:08 those types of people in their back pockets.

1:46:11 Mhm.

1:46:11 And you go and this goes to J.D.

1:46:13 Vance and then it goes into it's like, "Oh,

1:46:16 when did he start to have a connection

1:46:19 with this person that turns out to be what's Peter Thiel?

1:46:21 Top 10 most powerful person in the world if we had to guess publicly?"

1:46:25 we know of.

1:46:25 That we know of.

1:46:26 Yeah.

1:46:28 How big is the then it's but how do they get these new people?

1:46:32 And that's where I don't know.

1:46:34 That's that's a great question, man.

1:46:36 And that Because they I don't start

1:46:37 these and it's always interesting when I hear it.

1:46:39 It's like they would run these newspapers in like Peter

1:46:47 Thiel or they would invest in them and they would

1:46:50 and they would find and there was other people there

1:46:52 was people this is how they would find specific political people.

1:46:56 I forget the name.

1:47:00 They would invest heavily and these are people that would kind of be

1:47:03 hand selected to be the next cuz they see how they write.

1:47:07 And like there were peop people underneath these powerful

1:47:09 people reading all these and they would find Yeah.

1:47:13 This is it, Dave?

1:47:14 Yes, the Stanford Review.

1:47:17 In 1987, Thiel co-founded the Stanford Review,

1:47:21 a conservative and libertarian student newspaper at Stanford University.

1:47:24 Ongoing support, Thiel's maintained relationship with the paper for over 35

1:47:28 years providing financial donations and acting as a mentor to staff.

1:47:32 And Peter Thiel's not unique in this.

1:47:34 There's people that throughout specifically this is how

1:47:38 like RINOs kind of worked with within like

1:47:41 the Republican Party where it's they would find

1:47:44 these people that are politically active in college.

1:47:48 Mhm.

1:47:48 And then obviously if they're writing for the right-wing

1:47:51 newspaper within the college or the review, whatever it is, then they would find

1:47:56 and see who they thought was really talented.

1:47:58 And then they would kind of take them under their wing.

1:48:01 They would get a really good job.

1:48:02 They would get a not even a really good job.

1:48:04 They would say, "Hey, you want to come work for us?" And then

1:48:06 this person who has these grandiose ideas in college gets told,

1:48:11 "We want to help you run for uh somewhere

1:48:13 in a small district." And then before you[ __] know it,

1:48:17 you're a senator and they come back and say, "Hey,

1:48:20 remember me?" or "Hey, we've been with you the whole time.

1:48:24 This needs to get through." And then

1:48:26 along the way if you're thinking really crazy,

1:48:30 I mean think about all the things that we've

1:48:32 done as like throughout my 20s to 29.

1:48:36 Oh, everyone can get got.

1:48:37 Get got in ways oh my

1:48:40 And and like get got in ways that's like even just a conversation you

1:48:44 had at the bar with your buddies that you didn't really mean or anything.

1:48:49 You get got.

1:48:49 You get got.

1:48:50 So and then it's this search and Peter Thiel's not unique in this.

1:48:54 I'm sure somebody will point it out in the comments.

1:48:57 There's other people that have been doing this for a while.

1:48:59 I think um I forget the name,

1:49:02 but there's people if you can tie back a lot of politicians

1:49:06 and this is kind of a the chicken or the egg,

1:49:08 cuz if you're writing for a public or for a newspaper in college,

1:49:12 you're probably likely to get involved in politics.

1:49:14 But, they also kind of like they're always keeping an eye on it.

1:49:18 And then I wouldn't be surprised now if they're always keeping an eye

1:49:20 on people that are making videos that are that's the new newspaper.

1:49:24 They find the 18-19 year old and then they say,

1:49:26 "Hey, Like, yeah, you're taking the words out of my Dief.

1:49:28 You just said it, Clavicular.

1:49:30 Okay.

1:49:30 Who's funding him?

1:49:32 Well, I so I interviewed him.

1:49:33 You did?

1:49:34 Yeah.

1:49:34 What's he like?

1:49:36 Really neurodivergent.

1:49:37 Yeah, no[ __] [laughter] way.

1:49:39 Yeah, no[ __] Sherlock.

1:49:41 You know what's crazy?

1:49:42 He went to Seton Hall Prep.

1:49:44 Yeah, he did.

1:49:45 Hoboken.

1:49:45 Yeah, I I I think I know some kids who went

1:49:48 to school with him I don't know if anyone's funding him.

1:49:53 Now, he did just open a club with people that are

1:49:55 like a little bit more like on like a Jewish mafia side.

1:49:58 A little bit of Israeli mafia.

1:50:00 Israeli mafia side, which I've heard some things of that that aren't great.

1:50:05 Like what?

1:50:07 I just think it was more so I not that I heard it specifically,

1:50:11 but it was more like look them up.

1:50:13 Mhm.

1:50:14 Like um here, I could get the name.

1:50:19 [gasps] When did you interview him?

1:50:21 Right before he shot that alligator.

1:50:27 [laughter] He told me like tiptoe maxing[ __] Tiptoe maxing?

1:50:33 Wait, let me find uh some clan.

1:50:36 Channel 5 reported that So, I What what did Channel 5 report, Dief?

1:50:40 That Peter Thiel is funding him.

1:50:41 Yeah.

1:50:42 So, I was that more of like a conspiratorial type video?

1:50:45 Like I think they were a little bit more of a So,

1:50:48 that's always been the thought.

1:50:50 Um where is There's like a guy like Uncle T or something

1:50:53 like that who gives him all these donations.

1:50:56 Yeah.

1:50:56 And and and here's where the thought is.

1:50:58 Peter Thiel talks about like transcending,

1:51:02 which is dangerously close to ascending the human race and creating like

1:51:06 a second digital race and basically

1:51:08 like promoting transhumanism ideas and whatever.

1:51:12 And I'm just saying here, Jack Mack,

1:51:14 if I wanted to hack culture to create that, I

1:51:18 would convince an entire generation of men that they got

1:51:21 to take[ __] 60 million drugs and looks max and not

1:51:25 reproduce and[ __] castrate themselves and to perpetuate whatever it is.

1:51:30 You know, just to try to keep up with the Joneses and create that standard.

1:51:34 I mean, D- When you listen to I I actually feel I

1:51:39 as much as I joke about it and whatever with with Clavicular,

1:51:43 I I empathize with the kid and more specifically like I

1:51:48 I feel I don't know if this is the right word, but like pity for him, you know,

1:51:53 because he's been he clearly is very neurodivergent as you said.

1:51:56 So, he's got he's and I think he was a nonverbal autistic

1:52:00 for a couple years when he was when he was a child.

1:52:02 So, like he has some actual rooted health issues

1:52:06 and society was able to torture him in such

1:52:11 a way that he feels like this is the only way to be able to exist among people.

1:52:15 And unfortunately, at age 20,

1:52:17 he doesn't have he's just out there trying to make money and doing his thing.

1:52:21 He doesn't understand what he's being used for in my opinion.

1:52:26 And there's people who would be like,

1:52:27 "He knows damn well he's doing Maybe." But like

1:52:29 I think he's just a really dumb[ __] young

1:52:32 kid and he's been just thrown into this spotlight

1:52:36 out of nowhere and I I feel bad for him.

1:52:40 Yeah.

1:52:41 So, he was I'm he's a smart guy um as a lot of neurodivergent people are.

1:52:47 He knows I would say like if you IQ tested him, it would be very high.

1:52:51 You know he's from Hoboken, right?

1:52:53 And I think he's just [sighs] I mean, it's a great question.

1:52:58 I mean, and you have to think about it.

1:52:59 We're talking about all of these newspapers

1:53:01 and college newspapers and then I was telling like, "Oh, they found that's J.D.

1:53:04 Vance and all that." Yeah, they're probably are doing with TikToking too.

1:53:08 I mean, but here's the thing with Clav.

1:53:10 I've known about him for a while.

1:53:12 When did you first find out about him?

1:53:15 Two summers ago.

1:53:16 And for people out there, a lot of people listening do know who he

1:53:19 is cuz he's been astroturfed all over the internet.

1:53:21 But for people out there who don't know who he is and what his thing is,

1:53:23 can you give a full context on that?

1:53:25 So, Clavicular has risen to fame recently

1:53:28 for specifically streaming and being a looksmaxer.

1:53:31 And also, the looksmaxing is essentially the if

1:53:35 you're a looksmaxer and you're a guy,

1:53:37 it's and it's just essentially just trying to become better looking,

1:53:41 but he uses very aggressive techniques.

1:53:45 So, that would be that would be uh like hammering your face to try to break

1:53:52 small bones within it and then it regrows

1:53:55 and gives you better cheekbones and jaw features.

1:53:59 apparently pseudoscience.

1:54:01 Yeah, that may be I don't know if this is I I do not I'm not endorsing this.

1:54:04 But this is guy that was like, "Yeah,

1:54:06 like I think he took like HGH like uh like uh steroids when he was younger.

1:54:12 I don't know if you that's confirmed,

1:54:13 but this is like what a lot of the looksmaxing community is saying.

1:54:18 And then you are especially when you're younger,

1:54:21 it's the chance to really like you can do things that you

1:54:24 because your body is morphing into what it's going to be.

1:54:27 So, you can be a lot more aggressive.

1:54:29 You can't His thing, I don't know if this is true,

1:54:32 but you can't get taller once your growth plate's closed, of course.

1:54:35 But you can be a little bit more aggressive when you're younger, he says.

1:54:38 And like also, you can be aggressive with all of these drugs,

1:54:41 but also you can really[ __] up your endocrine

1:54:43 system and it can be really really bad.

1:54:46 Now, he's risen because he's kind of funny in his own way.

1:54:50 He he he has this weird way of talking, Yes.

1:54:55 which is terms like jester, which is just clown.

1:55:00 Gooning, which is was already pretty popular.

1:55:02 But like jester maxing, looks maxing, and he adds maxing to the end.

1:55:07 Like we're podcast maxing right now.

1:55:09 He went up to a girl once on stream when

1:55:11 he was having a party and she was sitting alone.

1:55:14 He's like, "Oh, are you okay?

1:55:14 You're alone maxing right now." But he says it and so I was talking to him.

1:55:20 I was like, "D- Don't you find the comedy in this?" He was like, "No,

1:55:23 anyone that thinks that's funny is retarded." And I was like

1:55:27 and I I and I was like I and I was like,

1:55:29 "I don't want to be disrespectful to you.

1:55:30 I just like do you really mean it?" He's like, "No,

1:55:31 I think that's just how I talk and anyone

1:55:33 that thinks it's funny is is just wrong.

1:55:37 That's just how I talk and I don't and he says,

1:55:39 "I don't get why people clip it and it gets

1:55:41 hundreds of millions of views and all of this." But also,

1:55:45 this is a guy that that's why he's popular.

1:55:47 And he's and I've said to you,

1:55:49 "Do you think you've created kind of" cuz his whole thing I I asked him.

1:55:54 It was very apparent.

1:55:56 You and I are having a conversation right now.

1:55:58 We take joy in this conversation.

1:56:00 I was like, "It feels like you don't take joy in anything." I agree.

1:56:04 And he said he's like, "Yeah, that's just how I'm wired." And then I said,

1:56:07 "What gives you joy?" And this this is crazy,

1:56:10 but he said without with and within a second, he said, "Meth." And [laughter]

1:56:18 he and I was like, "Are you Do you still take meth?" He's like,

1:56:20 "No, not anymore." But I was like, "But that's what fires you up." He's like,

1:56:24 "That's what fires me up." And I was like,

1:56:25 "What about helping looksmax?" He's like, "Yeah,

1:56:27 but no one really wants to do that anymore." And I said, "Well,

1:56:30 do you think you've kind of created

1:56:32 this community that doesn't really value anymore?" He's like,

1:56:34 "Yeah, that's definitely a possibility." Just because he has such a big I mean,

1:56:39 this looksmax this is a very this should be a very small community.

1:56:42 0.00001% of the internet.

1:56:47 Now, what are the effects of this?

1:56:49 Dude, I and that's the thing.

1:56:53 I was so[ __] stupid when I was 20 years old.

1:56:56 I was stupid when I was 25.

1:56:58 Exactly.

1:56:59 You know, so I have always felt bad for these kids

1:57:03 at any level of attention when they're thrown into the spotlight

1:57:06 and then they have to look stupid in front of the world

1:57:09 and then maybe they convince everyone else to be stupid, too.

1:57:12 So, that's why I empathize with him.

1:57:14 But like w- you know, he's 20 now, but he was starting this stuff when he was

1:57:20 as as far as I've seen like when he's like 16.

1:57:22 Where where the[ __] were his parents?

1:57:25 You know, your kid's in the bathroom and your neurodivergent kid,