BREAKING: Daily Wire Uncovers MASSIVE Fraud Scandal In Ohio!

0:00 Money is being stolen out of your pocket

0:02 and put into the hands of people defrauding you.

0:05 Not on the margins.

0:06 This is happening at the highest levels of the American government.

0:09 Elon Musk and Nick Searcy opened the door,

0:11 but Daily Wire investigative reporter Luke Rosiak is

0:13 now busting through that wall like the Kool-Aid Man.

0:17 The Daily Wire is serving up the receipts for widespread fraud,

0:19 which the president and vice president can wipe out entirely.

0:23 Billions of dollars of Medicaid stolen from you, the taxpayer.

0:26 We've seen the equality leering sensors and the suspect

0:30 behavior of thousands taking advantage of state-level programs.

0:33 This is massive fraud that we're uncovering on the federal scale.

0:36 Conservatives have always stood by the notion that government screws things up.

0:39 Democrats build systems where waste, fraud,

0:41 and abuse, that's the feature, not the bug.

0:44 They love stealing money from some and giving it to others,

0:47 all to make people more dependent on the government

0:49 more broadly while blaming the free markets.

0:51 It's disgusting and it has to end.

0:52 We'll get into all the receipts in a moment.

0:54 And speaking of disgusting,

0:56 Tucker Carlson just did a crazy interview with the New York Times

0:58 that proves once and for all he is not remotely on the right.

1:01 And in fact, he now stands with the worst enemies of American ideals.

1:05 Apparently, there's no daylight between these would-be revolutionaries,

1:08 Tucker Carlson and Bernie Sanders and Hasan

1:11 Welcome back to the Ben Shapiro Show.

1:16 [music] The Daily Wire exists to bring you the truth.

1:21 We do that in a lot of ways.

1:23 Got our commentary, our documentaries, our films,

1:25 and not least with our investigative reporting.

1:27 So this week, we have a series of bombshell reports after

1:31 our reporters spent two months investigating

1:33 the extent of welfare fraud in Ohio,

1:35 where billions of dollars have now gone missing down the rat

1:38 hole of government entitlement programs under the guise of home health care.

1:42 Our goal at The Daily Wire is to smash

1:44 the supposedly untouchable pillars of the welfare state.

1:47 It's time to return to true conservatism.

1:49 Truth is the only way to get there.

1:52 So, fraud isn't just happening in the blue cities where you might expect.

1:54 It's happening right under the nose of Republican governors, too.

1:58 In Ohio, for example.

2:00 Think one address, 93 companies, no windows, totally empty, billed to you,

2:05 the American taxpayer, $66 million over the last several years.

2:10 Shell companies, fake billing, fake services,

2:12 covered tracks until this very instant.

2:16 So, Daily Wire has now uncovered via Luke Rosiak and our investigative team,

2:20 Medicaid Millionaires.

2:22 In a piece titled, Medicaid Millionaires Have the Feds

2:25 Pay Immigrants Billions to Hang Out With Their Own Families,

2:27 Luke points out, quote, "Under the guise of healthcare,

2:30 Ohio pays people to go to Medicaid recipients' homes

2:33 to perform homemaking and chores like cooking and cleaning.

2:36 The people performing these personal services

2:38 tasks don't have to be healthcare workers.

2:40 In 2024, Ohio spent a billion dollars on home healthcare.

2:45 So, they literally pay people Medicaid money to go to other

2:49 people's houses to perform homemaking and chores." And as Luke writes,

2:54 the new welfare queens aren't the recipients

2:56 whose low incomes qualify them for poverty programs,

2:58 they're the companies getting rich off of them.

3:01 His overall impression,

3:02 "99% of the facilities I visited had the hallmarks of waste, fraud, or abuse.

3:06 We are talking about alleged criminality at a breathtaking scale.

3:11 So, for example, this here is a picture of 93 offices in Columbus, Ohio.

3:18 It is 6161 Bush Boulevard.

3:22 So, as you can see, all the windows are covered, which is weird.

3:25 Typically, you know, if you have an office,

3:27 you like to have windows because people like

3:29 there to be some light in their office.

3:31 Why would you cover all the windows?

3:32 Well, because there's nothing there.

3:35 According to Luke, what's inside is 93

3:37 different companies signed up to bill Medicaid, each with a tiny office,

3:40 often marked with a sheet of paper proclaiming

3:42 some generic company name ending in Home Health LLC,

3:45 and sometimes another piece of paper claiming

3:47 the employees had just stepped out for a break.

3:49 And again, this building, this address,

3:51 billed taxpayers over $66 million over the last several years.

3:57 And as Luke points out, if you try to track down what exactly is

4:01 happening at any one of these home health care companies,

4:04 what you will find is an endless rabbit hole.

4:06 He says you'll find years of unpaid taxes and debts, sometimes criminal records,

4:10 an astonishing number of LLCs created in other industries,

4:13 as if the millions they are making from Medicaid are just a side gig.

4:18 The government is not and cannot be monitoring

4:20 the people to whom they write million-dollar checks.

4:23 They all share combinations of just a few

4:24 names like Ahmed Muhammad and Muhammad Ahmed.

4:28 And the population of Columbus, Ohio,

4:29 it's the second biggest Somali population outside of Minnesota.

4:34 They spell their own name multiple different ways within a single document.

4:37 Many of them have their birthdays listed as January

4:39 1 because we don't know when they were born.

4:43 Pretty much all of them, according to Luke, are registered voters.

4:45 Wait for it.

4:45 Wait for it.

4:46 For the Democratic Party.

4:48 Not a shock.

4:48 So, the business model is apparently simple.

4:50 A 40-year-old Somali gets paid for spending time

4:52 with and maybe cooking for his own 65-year-old mom.

4:56 Sitting in the middle is one of these thousands of home

4:58 health firms that have an NPI number necessary to bill Medicaid.

5:02 And then the 40-year-old becomes an employee of that company.

5:05 But the only patient is mom.

5:07 There's no way to verify whether he's providing services

5:10 unless his mom is willing to rat him out.

5:13 Maybe he even gives a portion of the pay to mommy

5:15 as a kickback for allowing her social security number to be used.

5:20 Virtually apparently all of these home

5:22 health care companies are owned by foreigners.

5:26 As Luke writes, when we asked what home health care companies did,

5:29 one man threatened, "Journalist, who cares?

5:30 You guys pay my bills?

5:31 I'm going to tell everybody you guys are racist." Yeah, there it is.

5:35 Isn't that nice?

5:36 See, this is the way the magic works.

5:37 To defraud our Medicaid systems, to defraud federal taxpayer dollars,

5:43 and then when somebody comes knocking on the door,

5:45 you just claim that they are a racist.

5:48 Now, as Luke points out, this poverty program is different from others like

5:52 food stamps because it doesn't have a monetary cap.

5:54 It's expense is not decided by politicians,

5:56 but by any doctor willing to sign a form

5:58 saying you could use some help around the home.

6:00 And one doctor can sign a billion of these forms.

6:03 You can bankrupt the state this way.

6:05 Again, this is just part one of our series.

6:07 What's coming tomorrow is so much worse.

6:10 So much worse.

6:10 I mean, already we're talking $66 million in potential

6:13 fraud right here from 93 companies at one address.

6:17 Industrial scale alleged fraud happening right here.

6:20 So, how did we get this information?

6:21 Well, there was a quiet DOJ document drop in February of this year.

6:25 So, again, people were ripping on Elon Musk over DOJ,

6:28 the Department of Governmental Efficiency, well,

6:31 they had a lot of after effects DOJ.

6:32 And one of the things they did is they revealed information

6:35 into the public that allows journalists like Luke and our team,

6:37 our investigative journalists here at Daily Wire,

6:40 which we've been building for a couple of years, to go out and actually dig in.

6:44 Luke was able to dive in thanks to those DOJ documents.

6:48 For decades, Medicaid billing data was a black box.

6:50 It's one of the biggest government programs in human history.

6:53 The public could not see a dime of it.

6:55 And DOJ changed all of that in February

6:56 with a quiet data release that a lot of people missed.

6:59 Well, again, this week we're going to reveal

7:01 a lot more about what's going on in Ohio.

7:03 We'll talk about one landlord who owned buildings with 300

7:07 different Medicaid companies that billed the federal government $250 million.

7:12 Dollars.

7:14 I mean, this kind of fraud has consequences.

7:17 And again, it is a feature, not a bug.

7:18 You'd imagine that there would be Democrats out

7:20 there who are upset with this kind of fraud.

7:22 After all, if you're an advocate for a government program,

7:24 you should want every dollar of that taxpayer money

7:27 to go to someone who deserves the taxpayer money.

7:31 But that's not what's happening.

7:31 Democrats are irritated by the fact that people are uncovering this stuff.

7:36 Now, the good news is Ohio is Republican governed.

7:38 Mike DeWine is the governor of Ohio.

7:40 Vivek Ramaswamy is very likely to be the next governor of Ohio.

7:43 And President Trump is on top of this and Vice

7:45 President Vance is heading up the waste, fraud, and abuse policing here.

7:49 So, we are very hopeful that there will be action here, and that's what we need.

7:52 That's what we need.

7:53 We need you to get involved.

7:54 Share that story from dailywire.com.

7:57 It's not paywalled.

7:58 We need to help spread the word and hold

8:00 people who are defrauding the American people to account.

8:02 We need government hearings.

8:04 We need prosecutions.

8:05 We need doors kicked down.

8:07 We need investigations.

8:09 And again, Republican governors, federal officials need to fix this.

8:13 That is what we are working on.

8:14 That is what we are calling for.

8:15 Because true change can be effectuated here by criminal justice.

8:19 And this is a unique time to do it.

8:20 The Trump administration has made policing waste, fraud, and abuse possible.

8:24 This was not going to happen under Democrats.

8:26 It can happen under Republicans,

8:27 but people need to know about the story and they need to get that out there.

8:30 So, head on over to dailywire.com and help spread that story

8:34 and be part of the movement that ends welfare fraud in the country.

8:38 Coming up, Spirit Airlines is now a ghost.

8:41 And guess what?

8:41 People are blaming capitalism rather than government.

8:43 They're getting it wrong.

8:44 Plus, Tucker Carlson does a very,

8:46 very long interview with The New York Times and um there's something wrong.

8:51 We'll get to it.

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10:01 Meanwhile, on the economic front, one of the most astonishing features

10:06 of of the way that the left views economics is

10:08 they block the free markets from working and then

10:10 they blame the free markets when something fails.

10:13 So, over the weekend, Spirit Airlines finally gave up the ghost.

10:19 Spirit had entered bankruptcy in August of last

10:23 year for the second time in a year.

10:25 And its executives, according to the Wall Street Journal,

10:27 developed a game plan dubbed Plan Charlie in case

10:29 the company's fortunes could not be turned around.

10:33 So, they tried to negotiate with the federal government.

10:35 They were hoping for a $500 million government bailout

10:38 to the tune of 90% government ownership in Spirit Airlines.

10:42 Okay, I'm just telling you, you know what I don't need to own,

10:44 you don't you don't need to own, you know,

10:45 what taxpayers don't need to own Spirit Airlines.

10:48 That is not the way that failing companies should be bailed out.

10:51 In fact, when companies fail, when they are falling down,

10:53 what should happen is that they find another private buyer.

10:56 They either go bankrupt, they run it into the ground,

10:58 or they merge, or they seek outside funding because, again,

11:02 when it comes to the risk-taking that is necessary in private industry,

11:07 the next step of failure is you have to go

11:09 out and you have to demonstrate a turnaround plan.

11:12 You have to show somebody else that you are willing to make serious changes.

11:16 And then you can bring in new capital, or maybe you can merge.

11:18 The problem, of course,

11:19 is Democrats are responsible for the death of Spirit Airlines

11:23 because Spirit Airlines tried to merge with JetBlue last year,

11:28 and Democrats stopped it.

11:30 Now, Spirit is trying to blame the jet fuel prices for its bankruptcy.

11:36 They're trying to declare that the war

11:37 in Iran is what what the real problem was,

11:39 but that wasn't the real problem because again,

11:41 the other airline companies are not going bankrupt right now.

11:44 Spirit was running a non-solid footing.

11:47 Again, Spirit was famous for very very cheap airline fares.

11:52 Yep.

11:52 But now, what what's happened is

11:53 competition has actually made airline travel better.

11:56 I know, there are a lot of people right now who are ripping on the airlines.

11:58 I get it.

11:59 I travel a lot.

12:00 I traveled coach out to LA yesterday.

12:04 And I got to say, it wasn't the best.

12:06 You know, I was flying JetBlue, but one thing that's happened,

12:09 for example, is JetBlue provides free internet.

12:11 So, it used to be, and still is on some of the airlines,

12:14 that they make you pay for the internet.

12:16 And now, it seems that more and more

12:17 airliners are going to move toward the free model.

12:20 Competition, and more competition in this area, leads to better results.

12:23 Well, JetBlue was trying to buy Spirit.

12:25 They're trying to merge with Spirit.

12:27 That was blocked by Democrats because Democrats have a theory,

12:30 and that theory is if business gets bigger, that is inherently bad.

12:34 So, there are two theories of the antitrust.

12:36 Okay, antitrust is the idea that you can't have a monopoly

12:39 dominating a market cuz then it can set prices wherever it wants.

12:42 So, if you had a grocery store monopoly in your neighborhood, theoretically,

12:45 they could set the price twice what it normally

12:47 would be because you don't have any other choices.

12:50 Now, true monopoly is incredibly rare in the market

12:53 because if the prices tend to skyrocket,

12:55 somebody else wants to get in on that action.

12:57 They open up a grocery store across the street.

13:00 Typically, true monopoly requires government intervention

13:03 on behalf of the of the monopoly, but there's a second theory of the antitrust

13:07 that is not about the consumer at all.

13:09 The first theory of antitrust says,

13:11 you should only police for monopoly when the consumer is harmed.

13:16 And then there's a second theory of the antitrust,

13:18 the Democrat theory, which is if something is big, it is bad.

13:21 That is the theory pursued by Senator Elizabeth Warren.

13:23 So, Elizabeth Warren is now blaming President Trump for Spirit's bankruptcy.

13:28 She put out a tweet saying, "Spiking fuel prices from Trump's war was the nail

13:31 in the coffin for twice bankrupted Spirit Airline.

13:34 For what it's worth, JetBlue merger failed because a judge appointed

13:37 by Ronald Reagan said the deal was illegal.

13:39 Republicans are desperate to shift blame from higher

13:41 costs hitting families." But that's not true.

13:43 And the reality is that there was a block

13:45 by the Biden administration on the merger between JetBlue and Spirit.

13:51 In fact, here she was tweeting back in March

13:54 of 2024 triumphantly that the JetBlue Spirit merger had been ended.

13:59 Quote, "I've warned for months that a JetBlue Spirit Airlines

14:02 merger would have led to fewer flights and higher fares."

14:05 The Justice Department and the Department of Transportation were right

14:08 to stand up for consumers and fight against runaway airline consolidation.

14:11 This is a Biden win for flyers.

14:13 So, do you feel like you're winning now?

14:15 There are fewer flights available.

14:16 Do you feel like you're winning?

14:18 By the way, the ex-Secretary of Transportation,

14:20 a man who really, really loves choo-choo trains, Pete Buttigieg,

14:25 who for some reason is considered an elite

14:26 Democratic contender for the presidency after legitimately

14:30 running the trail trains off the rails during

14:32 his tenure at at the Department of Transportation.

14:34 Here is Pete Buttigieg in March 2024 talking about

14:38 why they blocked the merger that would have saved Spirit.

14:41 Our department, the Department of Transportation,

14:43 has generally not gotten involved in these merger cases,

14:48 uh but that's changing today.

14:50 It it is so important to make sure that passengers have choices,

14:54 uh that they have access to low fares, that they have access to competition.

14:59 And yet, we've seen less and less and less of that competition over the years.

15:05 Okay, again, the lack of competition is not

15:08 going to be alleviated by things going bankrupt.

15:12 Ridiculous.

15:14 Now, again, th- this is the Democrats' stick.

15:16 The Democrats' stick always and forever is government gets involved in a thing,

15:20 government makes the thing worse, blame capitalism.

15:23 And for people who don't understand

15:25 free markets and don't understand capitalism,

15:27 that's always an easy pitch because we live in a very, very prosperous time.

15:31 We are richer than any human beings in the history of of mankind.

15:35 And so we tend to think that the natural state of things is being rich.

15:39 Again, if you took a person from 1800

15:41 and dropped them into modern American society,

15:43 they would not know what is going on.

15:45 They would think that they dropped into materialist heaven.

15:48 Because you can get anything you want

15:50 at the press of a button delivered to your door

15:52 with a magic device you hold in your hand

15:55 and that thing was sourced from 70 different countries.

15:57 And you can do it affordably.

15:59 I know people talk about affordability and again,

16:01 affordability is a malleable term because

16:04 no one ever considers anything truly affordable, but let's just put it this way.

16:08 Back in 1800, an hour of candle light

16:11 might have cost you several hours of work during

16:13 the day because you had to go get wax or you had to go get whale oil.

16:17 Okay, today, electricity is free.

16:18 You flick on a light and it just stays

16:20 on all day and you don't even think about it.

16:23 Okay, because capitalism makes things better and it makes things cheaper.

16:26 But also because of that, we tend to not understand how capitalism works.

16:30 So, when something fails, we blame {quote} the system.

16:34 But we never allow the system, meaning free markets, credit for the success.

16:38 You want to know why it is cheap to fly coast to coast and it is,

16:42 by the way, comparatively.

16:44 Look at the percentage of income people had to spend on an air ticket in 1960

16:49 versus the percentage of income that you have to spend on an air ticket today.

16:52 Way, way, way, way lower.

16:54 Okay, why?

16:55 Because of competition.

16:56 Why?

16:56 Because of innovation.

16:57 But if a company goes bankrupt, that must be the evil of capitalism.

17:01 Okay, so, the reason that we have to argue

17:03 in favor of capitalism is because if capitalism dies, America dies.

17:07 We lose.

17:08 We lose to our competitors.

17:09 Also, because capitalism is in fact moral.

17:12 And one of the things that I've been

17:14 railing against in the conservative movement for a long

17:16 time is this idea that capitalism and free

17:19 markets can only be defended on a utilitarian basis.

17:23 That free markets and capitalism are only good because of their products.

17:28 And the problem with that argument it's true.

17:30 It's true that capitalism does make things better and it

17:32 does make things cheaper and people innovate and they invent.

17:35 That's all true.

17:35 But, if you don't defend capitalism and free markets on a moral basis,

17:41 you leave room for true grifters and demagogues ranging

17:45 from Tucker Carlson to Bernie Sanders to suggest that true

17:48 morality would be ditching the free markets in favor

17:52 of a centralized governmental system that is fairer in some way.

17:57 See, the true Marxist appeal the appeal of Marxism was

17:59 never that Marxism was going to make life better for people.

18:02 It was that it was going to change men's souls.

18:04 That was always the religious appeal of the Marxist philosophy.

18:07 It is not that you were going to have better stuff cheaper.

18:11 That you were going to be more prosperous.

18:12 That may have been Marx's original theory,

18:14 but it was absolutely wrong and clearly wrong.

18:18 Okay, but undergirding that theory was a different theory.

18:21 That true justice for man springs from the idea

18:24 that a centralized government can provide cosmic justice.

18:27 That free markets are somehow inherently unfair.

18:31 That they are immoral.

18:32 Not that they're not productive, that they are immoral.

18:34 Okay, so you have to make a moral defense of free markets.

18:37 So, here's the moral defense of free

18:38 markets that conservatives should be making.

18:40 First, man is made in the image of God.

18:43 We're all made in the image of God.

18:44 That means we are creative, choosing people with autonomy and power.

18:49 And that means that we have a right

18:50 to the products of our own labor because we are individuals.

18:53 So, if we make something, we own that thing.

18:57 Free markets are rooted in that simple recognition.

18:59 If I own my property, I ought to be able to trade it,

19:02 I ought to be able to dispense with it,

19:04 I ought to be able to invest it as I see fit so

19:06 long as my decisions are not infringing upon the equal rights of other people.

19:10 And finally, free markets are just.

19:12 They are.

19:13 I understand there are a lot of people who believe that free markets

19:16 are unjust cuz some people prosper and some people don't in the same measure.

19:20 But that is a misinterpretation of the concept of justice.

19:23 Justice is not mean that we all have the same result.

19:25 Justice is the proposition, as Aristotle suggested,

19:28 that equals should be treated equally and unequals unequally.

19:32 You might be mad at God or nature for not

19:34 making the world the way that you would want it.

19:36 But that's not justice.

19:38 It's arrogance and stupidity and childishness.

19:40 If you're just mad because some people are better at things than you are.

19:44 That's the way the world works.

19:45 LeBron James is better at basketball than I am.

19:47 I am better at talking on camera than LeBron James.

19:49 That's just the way the world is.

19:51 That is a natural state of the world.

19:54 We are all provided equal rights by God,

19:56 but that doesn't mean we all have equal qualities.

19:59 And there is no way for a centralized

20:00 government to rectify that absent some sort

20:03 of Kurt Vonnegut Harrison Bergeron burdening the people

20:07 who actually achieve in order to achieve justice.

20:11 Thomas Sowell points out that justice is

20:13 usually considered a process, not an outcome.

20:15 That's why we have a justice system, for example.

20:18 We're not God that we should just declare

20:20 there should be equality or there should be justice.

20:23 There is a universe, there's a world of real fact,

20:26 and we have to determine whether we are making things worse

20:29 or better when we make a specific change in that system.

20:33 And by the way, free markets actually do promote true

20:35 freedom because I get to value my labor however I choose.

20:38 That's what the pricing system is.

20:40 The pricing system is an aggregation of what I think something is worth and what

20:43 you think something is worth and what

20:45 we all collectively think things are worth.

20:48 Free markets prize diversity in a very, very serious sense.

20:51 They take account of every individual's needs and wants and desires.

20:55 And then they allow for that diversity

20:56 of opinion to emerge on the value of products, goods, and services.

20:59 So, why am I explaining all of this?

21:00 Because what we are watching right now,

21:01 and Spirit Airlines is a great example of this, what

21:03 we are watching right now is an anti-capitalist revolution.

21:08 All right, coming up,

21:08 Tucker Carlson does an entire interview with the New York Times in which it

21:11 becomes clear that he and Hasan they're

21:13 basically the same thing except that Tucker,

21:16 you know, does his show out of a cabin and Hasan does his show

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22:52 Okay.

22:53 A lot of people have asked over the course of the last several years cuz I've

22:55 been highly critical of Tucker Carlson when I

22:58 I first noticed that Tucker Carlson was going wrong.

23:02 Okay, so Tucker Carlson he um I will say

23:07 that that Tucker Carlson's dislike of capitalism was the first clue.

23:11 The reason I'm bringing this up is because Tucker did a very,

23:14 very long interview with the New York Times over the weekend.

23:17 That has struck a lot of conservatives as odd.

23:19 Didn't strike me as odd because of course I've

23:21 been watching what Tucker's been doing for a while.

23:23 And what he's representative of is a demagogic right that despises free markets

23:28 and meritocracy and believes there need to be

23:30 special carve out rights for particular groups.

23:32 It is the mirror of the grievance party left.

23:35 It's why I have suggested that the horseshoe right

23:38 and the left are basically on the same page.

23:39 They just have different groups they're trying to benefit.

23:42 That essentially their argument is the same.

23:44 American society is a big conspiracy, free markets a gigantic conspiracy,

23:48 constitutional government a gigantic conspiracy that must be broken through.

23:52 There must be a revision of how we

23:54 think about the role of government in our lives.

23:57 And free markets have to be brought to heel.

23:59 The meritocracy is a lie and your suffering

24:01 in your life that's the fault of these vague

24:03 systems and there's a conspiratorial elite who are

24:06 in charge of those systems trying to harm you.

24:09 Now a lot of people are saying that right and they are saying that left.

24:12 But the clues were all there.

24:14 The clues are all there.

24:16 So back in 2018, this is the moment where I

24:19 I first noticed that the Tucker was off the rails.

24:21 So back in 2018 now eight years ago I interviewed Tucker Carlson.

24:26 This is a younger, more innocent Ben Shapiro interviewing Tucker Carlson.

24:30 And uh Tucker was still on Fox at the time and he had written

24:32 a book in which he really ripped on capitalism in some pretty significant ways.

24:37 In this interview by the way he would endorse

24:38 the economic proposals of of say Bernie Sanders openly.

24:42 And I asked him about self-driving cars.

24:47 And one of the things that he said

24:48 about self-driving cars is that he would ban them.

24:50 He said he would ban them because it would save trucker jobs in in the Midwest.

24:56 Okay, which again is a a Luddite perspective.

24:58 The reality is self-driving cars make things

25:01 cheaper for people all over the United States.

25:03 If transportation costs go down, guess what else goes down?

25:05 Your costs.

25:06 Productivity decreases costs because it increases supply.

25:10 Okay, so I asked him in this interview about banning self-driving cars,

25:15 and he said he would.

25:16 But this was the part that really struck me.

25:19 Look, capitalism is the best economic system I can

25:22 think of, I think that anyone's ever thought of.

25:25 That doesn't mean that it's a religion and everything about it is good.

25:28 There's no Nicene Creed of capitalism that I have to buy into.

25:32 What I care about is living in a country where,

25:35 you know, decent people can live happy lives actually.

25:38 And so no, I would say immediately no, are you joking?

25:41 And I maybe would make up some pretext for public consumption like,

25:44 oh, they're dangerous.

25:45 The technology's not quite finished.

25:46 No, no.

25:47 But the truth would be I don't want to put 10 million men out of work because

25:52 you're going to have 10 million dead families

25:54 and the cascading effect from that will wreck your country.

25:56 And now, you'll notice that Tucker even then was

25:59 doing this game where he would say, I love capitalism.

26:00 Capitalism is wonderful.

26:02 I just think that capitalism isn't isn't something we have to adhere

26:05 to, it's something that we can ditch on behalf of the greater good.

26:08 Okay, when the when the exception eats the rule, you don't have a rule.

26:13 If the idea is that the greater good trumps the individual rights of the market,

26:17 there's no limit on that.

26:18 You can use that argument for virtually anything.

26:21 For virtually anything.

26:22 Okay, so this was reflected in Tucker's interview with the New York Times.

26:30 So, Tucker was asked if capitalism is evil.

26:34 And here's what Tucker Carlson had to say about whether capitalism was evil.

26:37 He said this to the New York Times.

26:40 The current system um and I don't know what you would call our economic system.

26:45 Um and I'm often told it's free market capitalism.

26:48 It doesn't bear any resemblance to what I thought free market capitalism was.

26:52 I not sure the name is important except as a way

26:57 to mislead and bully people into being quiet about it.

27:00 But any economic system in which, you know,

27:03 the overwhelming majority of the rewards go

27:07 to an ever shrinking number of people or or proportion of people is

27:13 a doomed system because it makes people revolutionary.

27:15 I saw this in Venezuela,

27:16 which I visited as a child and it was a prosperous kind of first world country,

27:20 beautiful country actually.

27:22 [clears throat] Okay, so the idea first of all that Venezuela was

27:26 a model of capitalism until Hugo Chavez came around is ridiculous.

27:30 They had serious corruption problems in Venezuela well before Hugo Chavez.

27:34 But again, he's not defending capitalism.

27:35 He is ripping capitalism in precisely

27:37 the same terms that leftists rip capitalism.

27:41 And Tucker Carlson is not in any way on the right at this point.

27:45 I mean, here is Hasan with the folks

27:48 at Triggernometry basically saying the same thing.

27:49 That capitalism will inevitably lead to authoritarianism.

27:54 My fear is that that is where capitalism inevitably leads.

28:01 Why?

28:00 If left unaddressed because capitalism is always going to deteriorate.

28:05 It's slowly going to improve material conditions as opposed to feudalism.

28:09 So far better system for sure.

28:10 It's far better than monarchies, right?

28:12 I agree.

28:13 Um but there will come a point where it

28:15 outlives its usefulness and those who own the capital,

28:20 the owners of capital will have to make a decision.

28:23 There's too much instability, there's too much chaos.

28:25 We need to restore order.

28:29 Okay, so again, Tucker Carlson and Hasan saying the exact same thing.

28:34 And here was Tucker Carlson again in this interview with the New York Times

28:37 saying that what we are watching right

28:39 now is a total destruction of economic opportunity.

28:41 Again, this is demagoguery at the highest level.

28:44 This is true demagoguery.

28:45 We have an unemployment rate in this country of under 5%.

28:49 The notion that nobody can get a job is a lie.

28:51 It is a lie that is fostered by people

28:53 who are attempting to destroy free market systems.

28:57 Here is Tucker Carlson again.

28:59 He and Hasan believe the same things about these issues.

29:03 Here he was.

29:06 I had dinner the other night with a bunch of kids from Stanford, really smart.

29:09 They're at Stanford.

29:11 And one of them said, "Oh yeah,

29:12 his best friend just graduated with a degree in computer science last year has

29:15 not been able to find a job." Stanford computer science can't find a job.

29:19 So that's like a window into the total destruction

29:23 of the economic opportunity for young people and the what

29:26 looks to me as a non-economist like the true

29:29 hoarding of capital by a tiny group of people.

29:32 It looks like a very lopsided and unfair

29:35 economic system that is guaranteed to radicalize young people.

29:40 And not just young people, but especially young people.

29:45 Okay, so again, this idea that he cites one Stanford student to say

29:49 that there's a hoarding of capital at the top levels is just Marxist claptrap.

29:54 Okay, yes, AI means that there are obviously transitions in the job market.

29:58 But this idea that this is therefore somehow to be laid at the feet

30:02 of free market capitalism itself what you

30:04 really need is government interventionism, it's insanity.

30:09 Again, Hasan says the exact same thing.

30:11 Here he was saying that profit seekers criticize him, right?

30:15 It's the profit seekers, the profiteers,

30:17 the people who are who are, you know, hoarding the capital.

30:19 And this is just pure Marxist language from Tucker,

30:22 which is why he and Hasan are again holding hands here.

30:27 I am the danger.

30:28 We are the danger and I need them to understand this.

30:32 Uh we're dangerous to the corporate bottom line.

30:34 We're dangerous to profit seekers and that's the only thing

30:38 that our politicians and many in the media care about right now.

30:41 So in some respects, they are correct.

30:43 Uh the danger is uh what might happen

30:46 to to profit seekers who want to paywall healthcare.

30:50 And I don't mean like uh you know,

30:51 divine retribution or or punishment of any sort.

30:54 I mean the worst punishment of all, uh where they can no longer uh

30:59 they can no longer justify multi-million dollar salaries.

31:02 Um I am a danger to those who seek profit

31:05 and put the interests of profit over the interests of people.

31:08 And that's precisely the reason why they attack people like myself.

31:14 And the interests of profit over the interests of people.

31:15 This is the same thing that Tucker is saying.

31:17 Here is Tucker in this New York Times interview

31:18 saying that banks have an incentive to foment conflicts.

31:22 This is conspiratorial horse I mean, truly,

31:24 this idea that the folks at Citibank are

31:26 sitting there being like, "Yes, let's do war.

31:29 Let's do war." Banks have zero incentive to foment conflict.

31:34 In fact, banks lose money typically during wars

31:38 because it turns out that the government gets very,

31:40 very into the business of how banks run and then tries to seize their capital.

31:44 Anyway, here is Tucker.

31:47 For most Americans, people who are born here, black, white, Hispanic,

31:51 Asian, doesn't matter, of any race, the real concerns are economic.

31:54 And I do think that certain forces, the banks, people loaning the money,

32:02 have a real incentive to foment

32:06 dissent within the population against each other.

32:08 Fight amongst yourselves,

32:09 while we can continue you 25% interest on your credit card.

32:14 I mean, again, this is it's indistinguishable from a sand piper.

32:16 The banks have an interest in what?

32:18 The BLM riots?

32:20 The banks have an interest in destruction of property?

32:22 What the hell is he talking about?

32:24 Again, the left and the right here are

32:25 on the same page because in the end, what they hate, what they cannot stand,

32:29 is the idea of a free market system that rests on individual freedom.

32:32 They want to restructure it in line with their own preferences.

32:36 I mean, Bernie Sanders' view on AI is

32:39 basically the same as Tucker Carlson's view on AI,

32:41 which is the same thing by the way as the Chinese view

32:44 on AI because China is trying to destroy us on the AI front.

32:47 They're trying to outcompete us.

32:48 Bernie Sanders, over the past couple of weeks,

32:51 hosted a panel with literal members

32:53 of Chinese universities on AI safety and governance.

32:57 And at that panel, he said, quote, "The richest,

32:59 most powerful people in the world are

33:01 now building a bullet train with no brakes.

33:03 They acknowledge they don't have the stunts or the looks.

33:05 They don't know where it's headed.

33:08 We need to cooperate.

33:08 We need dialogue." Again,

33:10 the reason that Bernie and all the rest of these characters are ripping

33:15 on AI is not because they have

33:17 some sort of principled stand against AI excesses.

33:20 I think we all agree that AI is scary

33:23 because we don't know quite what to make of it.

33:24 That is not the same thing as what Bernie is doing,

33:27 which is literally aligning with the Chinese government on this matter.

33:33 And here is Bernie on the AI moratorium.

33:37 If scientists who are Nobel Prize winners,

33:41 guys who have gotten the Turing Award,

33:43 which is the major award given to people in computer science,

33:46 if they say to you that humanity is in danger,

33:51 do you think you might want to do something about it?

33:53 Or am I missing something?

33:54 You tell me.

33:55 So, no, I that it's the percentages are also someone's Oh,

33:59 there's only a 10% chance humanity is destroyed.

34:01 I said, "Well, I don't like those odds." Only a 10% chance?

34:05 [laughter] Come on.

34:06 I'm I know.

34:09 And the anti-capitalists over at Pod Save America,

34:11 and Bernie Sanders, and Tucker all on the same page.

34:13 And where does this end up?

34:14 This ends up with the grievance party.

34:15 Like a true grievance party, a third party that is rooted in grievance.

34:19 Here is Tucker Carlson in his interview with the New

34:21 York Times saying that he wants a new party, basically.

34:25 A new party that is isolationist on foreign policy,

34:29 that is restrictionist on immigration,

34:30 and that is interventionist in the economy.

34:32 You might call it a national socialist party.

34:34 Here is Tucker Carlson.

34:37 You know, you can't just put a new coat of paint

34:39 or fresh drywall on these structures because they are ridden with rot.

34:44 Okay?

34:45 So, I would like to see them repaired.

34:47 That would be the simplest solution.

34:49 I don't think that's likely to happen.

34:50 So, of course, I would be thrilled to to see

34:55 the rise of a party that represented the majority of Americans.

34:59 Again, Hassan said the same exact thing.

35:01 Here he was with former Democratic Congresswoman Cori Bush of BLM

35:05 fame saying they're not going to vote for the Democrats.

35:07 Again, it's it's all the same thing.

35:08 It's all the same thing.

35:09 It's an insurgent effort to overthrow American meritocracy.

35:13 That's all it is.

35:15 Here we go.

35:17 For far too long, we've been told, "You have to vote for harm reduction.

35:21 We all know the Republicans are corrupt.

35:24 We all know that they're monsters.

35:26 They're racist.

35:26 They traffic in hatred." But, we are here to say,

35:31 "We are no longer going to vote for do-nothing Democrats, EITHER.

35:35 WE'RE VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS with a purpose." [cheering]

35:42 Now again, all of this is rooted in a broader conspiracy theory.

35:45 Because here's the thing.

35:46 Most Americans understand, because they are not ungrateful,

35:50 that America is a unique and incredible place.

35:52 That our free markets make us awesome.

35:54 That our Constitution means we have freedoms no one else on Earth has.

35:57 That the greatest privilege in life is to be born in America.

36:00 It's an unbelievable privilege.

36:02 And so, you have to come up

36:03 with a conspiracy theory that suggests actually you've been gaslit.

36:07 Actually, you are a victim of false consciousness.

36:09 Actually, the institutions have been brainwashing

36:11 you and are routinely betraying you.

36:14 And Tucker and Hassan they're on the same team here.

36:17 This is why during this New York Times interview, it's insane, by the way.

36:20 Tucker Carlson, who apparently pretends that he's

36:23 a friend to TPUSA and Erica Kirk, is literally out there sowing doubts about

36:27 the FBI's investigation into Charlie Kirk's murder.

36:32 This is not the activity of a friend.

36:33 This is an activity of a leech.

36:35 Here is Tucker Carlson.

36:38 My concern more broadly is about the investigation into Charlie's murder,

36:43 which was short-circuited by the FBI, and I'd like to know why.

36:47 And I I don't care to be screamed at for asking that question.

36:51 It's a legitimate question, and we know that.

36:53 Um I know that for a bunch of reasons,

36:55 but uh the public knows it because Joe Kent said it out loud and explained it.

37:01 He's the head of the National Counterterrorism Center.

37:02 He's in Odenai, and he was told by the FBI that he could not investigate it.

37:08 And as a friend of Charlie's,

37:11 I'm not going to be intimidated into saying the following,

37:14 which is on what grounds would you do that?

37:16 I'm not saying the guy who's been arrested didn't pull the trigger.

37:20 I'm not There's been no trial.

37:21 was obviously handed over by his father.

37:24 Um Do we know that?

37:25 I don't know what I know, because there hasn't been a trial yet.

37:29 I don't know what I know.

37:30 I don't know what I know.

37:30 This This ridiculous game.

37:32 I'm not going to go into the tremendous evil

37:34 of undermining an ongoing prosecution into the murder of Charlie Kirk,

37:37 which actually is an evil thing to do.

37:39 I'm just going to point out the point of what Tucker is doing,

37:41 which of course is to sow doubt in American institutions,

37:43 even the ones that are currently run by Tucker's supposed erstwhile allies.

37:47 It's all part of a broader conspiracy theory

37:49 that the institutions of America are lying to you.

37:52 They're aimed at destroying you.

37:55 Again, he and the Hasan Piker's of the world are holding hands.

37:58 America is inherently corrupt.

37:59 America's systems are inherently evil.

38:01 America's systems need to be torn to the ground.

38:03 Here's Hasan saying the same thing from a different angle.

38:08 America is in its foundation a white supremacist country.

38:12 This is very frustrating for Republicans to hear.

38:14 This is even frustrating for liberals to hear sometimes,

38:16 but it's just the truth.

38:19 Okay.

38:20 And then you get to where it's very clear everybody's holding hands.

38:23 So, if you have a conspiracy theory about the free markets

38:26 that truly they're the invention of a corrupt group of people.

38:30 If your belief is that America's systems are inherently evil,

38:33 they lie to you on behalf of somebody else.

38:36 And then, you look around and say, "Who's successful?

38:39 Who Who are the beneficiaries of this system?" This is

38:42 how you end up with Tucker Carlson and Hasan

38:45 and all the rest of the people trafficking

38:48 in anti-Israel bizarre anti-Jewish conspiracy theories in the same group.

38:53 That is always the outcome of this conspiratorial worldview.

38:56 It is not a feature.

38:57 It is not a bug, it is a feature.

38:58 It is a thing that unify.

39:00 It is the glue that holds everybody together.

39:03 Truly holds everybody together.

39:05 And this is not speculative, right?

39:06 Mehdi Hasan, who is a wild anti-American propagandist,

39:10 he's out there saying that his relatives love Tucker Carlson now.

39:13 I can't imagine why.

39:15 Would that be because Tucker Carlson is upholding

39:17 the virtue of Sharia law in cities around the world?

39:19 Or would it be because he's doing propaganda on behalf of Islam's view of Jesus?

39:24 Or is it because he's doing propaganda

39:26 against Israel every single day of the week?

39:28 Or is it because he is spreading conspiracy theories about

39:31 how nefarious Zionists are in control of the American government?

39:35 Here's Mehdi Hasan, again,

39:36 one of the more despicable people in American public commentary.

39:40 You know, I talk about people who, um, you know,

39:41 are immigrants to the United States taking advantage of the system.

39:44 Here he is praising Tucker Carlson.

39:47 For the people watching at home, um,

39:50 these days Tucker Carlson has a big fan base amongst

39:52 the anti-war left who see him as saying the right stuff,

39:55 trying to stop Trump from illegal wars in Iran.

39:57 And amongst a lot of Muslims and Arab Americans

40:00 who see him now as this great champion of Palestine.

40:02 Uh, wherever I go, literally, Hasan, wherever I go in this country,

40:05 I do a lot of live events, I I do a lot of public events,

40:08 people come up to me What are you going to talk to Carlson?

40:10 When are you going to do an event with Tucker Carlson?

40:11 Why don't you do a collab with Tucker Carlson?

40:13 We love Tucker Carlson.

40:13 Wherever I go, people ask me more about Tucker Carlson,

40:16 even in my own family, than they ask me about my wife and kids.

40:19 Meanwhile, Cenk Uygur is out there also standing for Tucker Carlson.

40:23 Quote, "If your house is on fire and someone comes with a hose,

40:26 you don't ask him about what his policy is on the carried interest loophole,

40:29 you thank him for the help.

40:30 If you hadn't noticed,

40:31 Israel lit our house on fire." And the alliance is very strong and it

40:35 is based again on this idea that somehow a nefarious coterie of outside people,

40:39 Jews, are running the country.

40:42 And here is Tucker Carlson claiming that President Trump is being

40:44 held hostage by Netanyahu and his advocates in the United States,

40:48 who presumably would be pro-Israel Jews and Christian Zionists,

40:50 the people he says he despises most.

40:52 Here he was talking to the New York Times in terms that are

40:54 quite familiar to every anti-Semite in the right wing and on the left.

41:00 This was not a normal decision-making process

41:02 and my strong impression was that Trump

41:05 was more a hostage than than a than a sovereign decision-maker in this.

41:10 Well, so tell me what you're getting at when

41:11 you say the President of the United States,

41:13 the most powerful country in the world, had no choice.

41:16 I don't know what I'm getting at.

41:16 I'm just telling you what I observed.

41:18 He seemed I And that's kind of the question and I'm What I'm really

41:22 fascinated by is the lack of curiosity

41:24 on display into how exactly this happened.

41:27 What are the mechanisms by which a guy who's supposedly sovereign,

41:30 in charge, granted this authority by voters, tens of millions of them,

41:35 can't make a decision in the country's interest or even in his own interest.

41:40 He knew, and I know he knew because I talked to him about it directly,

41:43 that the consequences, potential consequences,

41:46 were profound and profoundly bad, the end of his presidency to start,

41:51 which it I think it has proven to be.

41:52 He knew that.

41:56 I don't even know what I knew.

41:56 I don't even know what I'm saying.

41:57 I don't even know what I'm questioning.

41:59 I'm just asking why people aren't asking the same

42:00 questions I'm asking when there's no evidence of the questions.

42:03 Like is it Okay, this again is a right-left uniting issue.

42:08 At least on the fringes.

42:10 Now, the mainstream of the Democratic Party has been doing the same thing.

42:12 They've also been claiming that Trump was somehow

42:13 argued into the war by the nefarious Jews.

42:16 Now, President Trump, I've noticed, is kind of a headstrong character.

42:19 I've noticed he makes a lot of his own decisions.

42:21 But according to Tucker Carlson and the left,

42:23 the only way this could have happened is if somebody argued it Trump into it,

42:26 and those people probably had suspiciously evil motives.

42:31 He entered a war, got pulled into it by Bibi Netanyahu.

42:36 Let's be clear about that.

42:38 Because people are offended that Netanyahu's bragging that J.D.

42:42 Vance, the vice president, is reporting to him.

42:45 How about reporting to the United States Congress?

42:47 I mean, this administration has insulted Congress.

42:50 They're more concerned with reporting to people like

42:54 Netanyahu than they are to the American people.

42:56 What are our our country leaders doing?

42:58 They're following Netanyahu.

43:00 The timing of this war was dictated by Bibi Netanyahu.

43:07 But we should never, ever be bullied

43:10 as maybe President Trump was by any other world leader.

43:15 Just ridiculous.

43:16 And by the way, Tucker goes further than that.

43:18 He says that Israel decides the future of the American economy

43:20 and American service members in this interview with the New York Times.

43:25 Israel has that power in our Congress not because we have so many Jews.

43:30 I don't know how many Jews live in the United States,

43:31 fewer than 10 million, I think.

43:33 But because we have tens

43:34 of millions of evangelical Christians who unquestionably

43:38 support Israel because they believe it's their theological duty to do so.

43:42 So, on this question hangs the future of the American

43:46 economy and the lives of American service members.

43:51 The idea that the American economy hinges on the future of Israel is bizarre.

43:56 It's bizarre.

43:57 And but of course, Tucker also thinks that Citibank

43:59 is a bigger threat to the United States than Hamas.

44:01 So, I mean, here we go.

44:05 I'm against the idea that Hezbollah and Hamas are at the center

44:08 of our domestic conversation like they're the big problems we face.

44:10 They're not.

44:12 Like they're not a bigger problem than like the behavior of Citibank.

44:14 I'm sorry.

44:15 Credit card debt is a much bigger problem than Hezbollah will ever be.

44:18 So, stop with this.

44:19 Stop with the brainwashing.

44:21 This is bonkers.

44:22 I live here.

44:23 I'm almost 57.

44:24 I've lived here a long time.

44:25 Hamas and Hezbollah, well, they're not getting my endorsement,

44:29 are not relevant to the experience of most Americans.

44:34 Citibank is a bigger threat to Americans than Hamas or Hezbollah.

44:38 I mean, first of all,

44:39 we should start with the question of whether Citibank is actually

44:41 a threat to Americans because it turns out tens of millions

44:44 of Americans actually bank at Citibank and they could not

44:47 take out a credit card from Citibank if they so chose.

44:50 They could do that.

44:51 That doesn't seem Again,

44:52 what Tucker is doing here is suggesting that you are being distracted

44:55 from the evils of American capitalism by foreign

44:58 threats that don't actually exist on behalf,

45:00 presumably, of an nefarious coterie of people who are somehow gaming the system.

45:06 And this is this is left-wing agitprop.

45:07 That's all it is.

45:09 And then Tucker, of course, plays ignorant about everything.

45:11 It's It's the The final point here

45:13 is that he plays ignorant about literally everything.

45:15 So, The New York Times asks Tucker about The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

45:19 The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a conspiracy tract

45:23 that was written by the Russian secret police in the early 20th century.

45:27 It was trafficked around and became very popular

45:29 in anti-Semitic circles and it claimed that, essentially,

45:32 there were a group of Jews that got together

45:34 on Friday nights and basically decided to control the world.

45:36 It is the most famous anti-Semitic tract ever written.

45:38 Tucker's not a He knows totally what this is.

45:41 But, of course, Tucker claims he has no idea what it is.

45:43 This is always the game.

45:44 Tucker knows He knows a lot.

45:46 He knows He knows more than you.

45:47 He knows so What he knows He doesn't know much,

45:49 but what he knows, and it's always something that he doesn't actually know.

45:52 And then when something comes up that he actually does know,

45:54 his immediate response is, "I don't know anything about that.

45:56 I don't even know what you're talking about.

45:57 What What What is What is a protocol?

46:00 I don't even know." Here we go.

46:02 There is an entire [sighs] um anti-Semitic worldview that has been based

46:09 on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, you know, that there is like this cabal

46:13 of powerful Jews that controls the world.

46:17 And you know, that book was written

46:18 in the early uh 20th century, but it you know,

46:21 helped the Nazis and it really has informed a lot

46:25 of the views of many people today that there is you know,

46:29 this very powerful sect of Jewish people

46:32 who want global war and global conflict.

46:35 People are genuinely concerned that it opens the door to this idea

46:41 that has been debunked and has been used in you know,

46:45 absolutely vicious ways to annihilate an entire people.

46:49 I'm not quite sure [snorts] what that means.

46:53 Um let me tell you my concerns.

46:56 My main concern is the destruction of the United States.

46:59 And that is in no way to minimize anyone else's concerns,

47:02 but I have a right to that concern and I will not have my own concerns hijacked.

47:08 I will not submit to being told what my concerns should be.

47:11 I'm an adult man who pays his taxes.

47:12 I have a right to come up with my own hierarchy of concern.

47:18 No one is telling him what his concerns should be.

47:20 He can have whatever concerns he wants.

47:22 It is indeed a free country.

47:23 The question is whether his concerns are justified,

47:25 whether they are based in evidence, or whether they are part of a broader

47:28 conspiracy theory about the evils of the United States.

47:31 By the way, he was asked about Nick Fuentes, of course,

47:33 and he said that Senator Ted Cruz is

47:35 more morally repulsive than the Nazi-standing Nick Fuentes.

47:39 This is This is This guy is supposedly a leader on the right.

47:42 All right.

47:45 Who do you think is more morally repulsive, Ted Cruz

47:49 Who do you think is more morally repulsive?

47:51 Ted Cruz.

47:53 Ted Cruz is a sitting US Senator who has

47:57 called for the killing of people who did nothing wrong.

48:01 Whole populations who advocated for this war.

48:04 Nick Fuentes is like a kid.

48:05 He's like 26 or 70.

48:07 He has no power except his words.

48:10 Here you have a public official who we pay,

48:14 who has actual power, who's voting for things, who's making policy decisions.

48:18 And those decisions would include,

48:20 in fact they are focused on the murder of people who did nothing wrong.

48:23 And yet no one thinks it's a big deal.

48:25 What Well, this is just totally fine.

48:27 I mean, if there's tape of Nick Fuentes saying we should kill

48:29 people because we hate their parents or it's okay to kill children.

48:34 I would love to see the tape cuz that's disgusting.

48:36 Is there a tape of Ted Cruz saying that?

48:38 Based on what the entire US Senate does every single day and no one notices.

48:42 And and Tucker's such a liar.

48:43 He In the end, he's just a liar.

48:45 He's a liar.

48:45 But because here's the thing, you have to believe in a gigantic lie about

48:48 the United States in order to propagate this crap.

48:51 You have to.

48:51 And when I say he's a liar, I mean that in the in the purest possible sense.

48:54 Here was Tucker Carlson literally denying he said

48:57 a thing that he is on tape say.

48:59 So, he was asked by this New York Times reporter

49:01 about that time he suggested that the president was the Antichrist.

49:04 And he says, "I never said that." And she plays him the tape.

49:06 And then he continues to pretend he never said it.

49:08 It's It's unbelievable.

49:11 But I ask because, you know,

49:13 you've been talking on your show about whether Trump is the Antichrist.

49:16 I have not said that.

49:17 On your show the day after Easter, you noted he did not put his hand

49:21 on the Bible during his swearing in ceremony as president.

49:24 You said, and I'm quoting,

49:25 "Maybe he didn't put his hand on the Bible because he affirmatively rejects

49:28 what's inside that book." And then on a recent show you went further saying,

49:32 "Here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors,

49:34 mocking the god of gods, and exalting himself above them.

49:38 Could this be the Antichrist?"

49:40 I actually did not say could this be the Antichrist.

49:43 Here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors,

49:47 mocking the god of gods, and exalting himself above them.

49:52 Could this be the Antichrist?

49:54 Well, who knows?

49:57 Um, I don't know where that comes from, but I know that those words

49:59 never left my lips because I'm not

50:02 sure I fully understand what the Antichrist is, if there's just one.

50:05 I actually tried to understand it.

50:09 understand.

50:09 He and then he hides behind ignorance.

50:11 The thing he literally said.

50:13 And that's just one lie.

50:15 But the bigger lie is the lie that he is propagating.

50:17 It's a lie that the left is also propagating.

50:19 It is a lie that America is a terrible place,

50:21 that is filled with nefarious forces beyond your control.

50:23 They're actually in control of your life and wrecking America.

50:26 And if that view of America prevails,

50:29 then we are in serious, serious, serious trouble.

50:32 Now, meanwhile, the president of the United

50:33 States continues to be a bulwark against stupidity,

50:36 particularly when it comes to the war in Iran,

50:39 the one that that Tucker is decrying as the end of America.

50:42 By the way, there there is no,

50:43 legitimately no argument that what is happening in Iran is the end of America.

50:48 Even if we were to walk away right now,

50:50 it would not be remotely close to the end of America.

50:52 That's insane.

50:55 Okay, the CENTCOM United States Central Command put out a notice this morning

51:01 that the United States is now forcibly attempting to open the Strait of Hormuz.

51:05 Quote, "US Navy guided missile destroyers are currently operating in the Arabian

51:09 Gulf after transiting the Strait of Hormuz in support of Project Freedom.

51:12 American forces are actively assisting efforts

51:14 to restore transit for commercial shipping.

51:16 As a first step, two US flag merchant vessels have successfully transited

51:19 through the Strait of Hormuz and are safely headed on their journey." Okay,

51:22 so if the United States opens the Strait of Hormuz,

51:24 and the only thing that remains closed is Iran's capacity to ship oil out,

51:29 they've got a massive problem.

51:30 Because again, their leverage point is the idea

51:32 they could blackmail the United States into basically

51:36 ending our conflict with them without them giving

51:38 up anything by shutting off the Strait of Hormuz.

51:41 President Trump is not having any of it.

51:43 Here he was saying, "Listen, if we have to, we'll strike again.

51:48 What circumstances did you use to start military strikes on targets?

51:52 Well, I don't want to say that.

51:53 I mean, I can't tell that to a reporter.

51:55 If they misbehave, if they do something bad,

51:58 but uh right now we'll see, but it's a possibility that could happen, certainly.

52:08 Well, I mean, again, the president,

52:10 I have to give him extraordinary credit here.

52:13 What he's doing right now is an act of of tremendous political bravery.

52:15 The polls, by the way, are very negative on the war.

52:18 Not a shock.

52:18 The polls are very negative on everything.

52:20 Okay, this is what happens.

52:21 When people look at one number

52:22 in isolation without looking at the other numbers, they think that, for example,

52:26 the president's approval ratings are low because of the war.

52:29 Okay, the reality is the president's approval

52:30 ratings are low across the board right now,

52:33 and that is because of people's dyspepsia with the economy.

52:36 Right now, he's got a 34% approval rating on the economy.

52:38 He's got a 33% approval rating on the war.

52:40 He's got a 45% approval rating on the border.

52:42 What happens is if a politician starts to hit an unpopular period,

52:46 everything that he does gets unpopular.

52:48 But, that doesn't mean that what he's doing isn't brave.

52:51 What he's doing is incredibly brave.

52:54 His point is that we can blast the hell out of Iran, or we can make a deal.

52:58 He would prefer a deal, but he's not going to walk away with an American L,

53:03 which is, again, very different from pretty much

53:05 all the presidents we've had in recent history.

53:10 What kind of options?

53:10 How would it look different?

53:12 options.

53:12 I mean, do we want to go and just

53:13 blast the hell out of them and finish him forever,

53:17 or do we want to try and make a deal?

53:19 I mean, those are the options.

53:20 Do you want to go blast the hell out of him and finish him forever?

53:24 On a human basis, I'd prefer not, but that's the option.

53:29 Okay, meanwhile, the Secretary of the Treasury,

53:31 who has been operating with extraordinary

53:34 precision with regard to the Iranian economy,

53:36 he points out that they are basically running out of money.

53:38 They they are having to shut down oil refineries because they

53:42 don't have a way of shipping their oil out of the country.

53:44 They're running out of money to pay their guys, the IRGC,

53:47 which means the regime has a serious problem on its hand.

53:49 And remember, grabbing the Strait of Hormuz was not an exercise of power,

53:53 it was an exercise of desperation.

53:55 Shutting off the Strait of Hormuz alienated every country

53:57 in the region and most of the countries of Asia as well.

54:00 And if they somehow lose control of the Strait of Hormuz, the Iranians,

54:04 if they can no longer control the flow in and out of the Strait of Hormuz,

54:07 except that their oil is being stopped, then what leverage do they have left?

54:11 Especially if the United States goes after

54:13 the remainder of their ballistic missile facilities,

54:15 something that, for example, the UAE and Saudi Arabia would love to see happen.

54:19 Here's Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent.

54:23 And I can tell you that we we are supplicating

54:27 the regime and they are not able to pay their soldiers.

54:32 This is a real economic blockade and it is

54:36 an all parts of government, all hands on deck.

54:39 It is the blockade that our great navy is doing.

54:43 No ships are getting through and we have up the pressure

54:47 on anyone trying to remit money into Iran to help the IRGC.

54:55 And they are corrupt institution.

54:57 They've been stealing from the Iranian people for years.

54:59 They have money offshore.

55:01 We've tracked that down.

55:02 We will continue to track that down and we're going to preserve

55:05 those assets for the Iranian people on the other side of this conflict.

55:11 Yeah, again, what the president is doing right now is likely to be successful.

55:14 Okay, so time for a thing I like and a thing that I hate.

55:16 So, I know that people like Tucker Carlson has suggested

55:19 that the great villain of World War was not Adolf Hitler, you know,

55:22 the person who started World War II and was responsible

55:25 for death of legitimately tens of millions of human beings,

55:28 that actually the great villain of World War was Winston Churchill,

55:30 the leader of Great Britain during World War II.

55:34 This, of course, is historically ignorant and ridiculous on its face.

55:37 So, I've been going through and re-reading

55:38 Churchill's six-volume history of the Second World War,

55:42 and there's some good reminders for our time,

55:44 mainly because they are eternal lessons.

55:46 Quote, "Delight in smooth-sounding platitudes, refusal to face unpleasant facts,

55:50 genuine love of peace, and pathetic belief that love can be its sole foundation.

55:54 The utter devotion of the liberals to sentiment apart from reality,

55:57 though free from wickedness or evil design,

55:59 played a definite part in the unleashing upon

56:01 the world of horrors and miseries." As Churchill points out,

56:05 "If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed,

56:08 if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly,

56:10 you may come to the moment when you will have to fight

56:12 with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival.

56:15 There may even be a worse case.

56:16 You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory because it is

56:18 better to perish than to live as slaves."

56:21 And the point being that starry-eyed anti-Americanism,

56:27 anti-Westernism is not a solve for people who want to destroy you,

56:31 ranging from China to Russia to Iran to the Soviet Union to Nazi Germany.

56:37 And one more thing that I like,

56:39 we'll end on an upbeat note before we get to the subscriber member block.

56:44 Okay, so it is May the 4th, so May the 4th be with you,

56:48 as we who like Star Wars are fond of saying.

56:50 There is a brand new trailer for The Mandalorian and Grogu,

56:53 which is one of the successful spin-off

56:55 properties under sort of the Kathleen Kennedy universe.

56:59 This is the Pedro Pascal series that is now being

57:03 made into a movie about Baby Yoda and The Mandalorian.

57:06 Here we go.

57:11 We've all heard stories of the Mandalorian bounty hunter and a child.

57:20 I only hunt Imperial war criminals.

57:22 I'll take out every bad guy in your deck of cards.

57:31 This isn't about revenge.

57:32 It's about preventing another war.

57:38 Up and maybe beyond.

57:39 Okay.

57:40 Before going into harm's way, check your armor first.

57:46 We're protecting everything [music] the rebellion fought for.

57:50 Good luck.

57:52 Yeah, that's Okay, I'm into it.

57:58 I I strap in.

57:59 I'll take my kids to watch this.

58:06 Listen, I'm a Star Wars fan,

58:07 so this is this is a thing that I will check out for sure.

58:09 Okay, we don't have to watch the rest of it, but this is cool.

58:11 Okay, I'm into it.

58:12 I like it.

58:13 Okay, it's got the AT-AT's.

58:15 It's got the land speeders.

58:16 I'm there.

58:17 So, may the fourth be with you.

58:19 All righty, the show continues for our members right now.

58:22 We're going to get into Zorn Amund Johnnie

58:25 and his take on protesters clashing with ICE in New York.

58:29 Again, third worldism is a real thing.

58:30 It's happening inside the United States.

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