BREAKING: Daily Wire Uncovers MASSIVE Fraud Scandal In Ohio!

0:00 Money is being stolen out of your pocket

0:02 and put into the hands of people defrauding you.

0:05 Not on the margins.

0:06 This is happening at the highest levels of the American government.

0:09 Elon Musk and Nick Shirley opened the door.

0:11 But Daily Wire investigative reporter Luke Rosiaak is

0:14 now busting through that wall like the Kool-Aid Man.

0:17 The Daily Wire is serving up the receipts for widespread fraud,

0:20 which the president and vice president can wipe out entirely.

0:23 Billions of dollars of Medicaid stolen from you, the taxpayer.

0:26 We've seen the quality learing sensors and the suspect

0:30 behavior of thousands taking advantage of state level programs.

0:33 This is massive fraud that we're uncovering on the federal scale.

0:36 Conservatives have always stood by the notion that government screws things up.

0:39 Democrats build systems where waste, fraud,

0:42 and abuse, that's the feature, not the bug.

0:44 They love stealing money from some and giving it to others.

0:47 All to make people more dependent on the government

0:49 more broadly while blaming the free markets.

0:51 It's disgusting and it has to end.

0:52 We'll get into all the receipts in a moment.

0:54 And speaking of disgusting,

0:56 Tucker Carlson just did a crazy interview with the New York Times

0:59 that proves once and for all he is not remotely on the right.

1:02 And in fact, he now stands with the worst enemies of American ideals.

1:05 Apparently, there's no daylight between these would be revolutionaries,

1:08 Tucker Carlson and Bernie Sanders and Hassan

1:11 Welcome back to the Ben Shapiro show.

1:19 Well, Daily Wire exists to bring you the truth.

1:21 We do that in a lot of ways.

1:23 got our commentary, our documentaries, our films,

1:26 and not least with our investigative reporting.

1:28 So, this week we have a series of bombshell reports after

1:31 our reporters spent two months investigating

1:33 the extent of welfare fraud in Ohio,

1:35 where billions of dollars have now gone missing down the rat

1:38 hole of government entitlement programs under the guise of home healthcare.

1:43 Our goal at the Daily Wire is to smash

1:44 the supposedly untouchable pillars of the welfare state.

1:47 It's time to return to true conservatism.

1:50 Truth is the only way to get there.

1:52 So fraud isn't just happening in the blue cities where you might expect.

1:54 It's happening right under the nose of Republican governors.

1:57 Two in Ohio for example.

2:00 Think one address 93 companies no windows totally empty build

2:05 to you the American taxpayer $66 million over the last several years.

2:10 Shell companies fake billing fake services

2:13 covered tracks until this very instant.

2:16 So, Daily Wire has now uncovered via Luke Rosak and our investigative team,

2:20 Medicaid Millionaires.

2:22 In a piece titled Medicaid Millionaires:

2:24 How the Feds Pay Immigrants Billions to Hang Out with Their Own Families,

2:28 Luke points out, quote, "Under the guise of healthcare,

2:30 Ohio pays people to go to Medicaid recipients homes

2:33 to perform homemaking and chores like cooking and cleaning.

2:36 The people performing these personal services

2:38 tasks don't have to be healthcare workers.

2:40 In 2024, Ohio spent a billion dollars on home healthcare.

2:45 So, they literally pay people Medicaid money to go

2:48 to other people's houses to perform homemaking and chores.

2:53 And as Luke writes, "The new welfare queens aren't

2:55 the recipients whose low incomes qualify them for poverty programs.

2:58 They're the companies getting rich off of them." His overall impression that 99%

3:03 of the facilities I visited had the hallmarks of waste, fraud, or abuse.

3:06 We are talking about alleged criminality at a breathtaking scale.

3:11 So, for example, this here is a picture of 93 offices in Columbus, Ohio.

3:18 It is 6161 Bush Boulevard.

3:22 So, as you can see, all the windows are covered, which is weird.

3:25 Typically, you know, if you have an office,

3:27 you like to have windows because people like

3:29 there to be some light in their offices.

3:31 Why would you cover all the windows?

3:32 Well, because there's nothing there.

3:35 According to Luke, what's inside is 93

3:37 different companies signed up to bill Medicaid, each with a tiny office,

3:40 often marked with a sheet of paper proclaiming

3:42 some generic company name ending in home health LLC,

3:45 and sometimes another piece of paper claiming

3:47 the employees had just stepped out for a break.

3:49 And again, this building,

3:50 this address build taxpayers over $66 million over the last several years.

3:57 And as Luke points out, if you try to track down what exactly is

4:01 happening at any one of these home healthcare companies,

4:04 what you will find is an endless rabbit hole.

4:06 He says you'll find years of unpaid taxes and debts, sometimes criminal records,

4:10 an astonishing number of LLC's created in other industries,

4:13 as if the millions they are making from Medicaid are just a side gig.

4:18 The government is not and cannot be monitoring

4:20 the people to whom they write million-dollar checks.

4:22 They all share combinations of just a few names like

4:25 Ahmed Muhammad and Muhammad Ahmed and the population of Columbus, Ohio.

4:29 It's the second biggest Somali population outside of Minnesota.

4:34 They spell their own name multiple different ways within a single document.

4:37 Many of them have their birthdays listed as January

4:39 1 because we don't know when they were born.

4:43 Pretty much all of them, according to Luke, are registered voters.

4:45 Wait for it.

4:46 Wait for it.

4:46 For the Democratic party, not a shock.

4:48 So, the business model is apparently simple.

4:50 A 40-year-old Somali gets paid for spending time

4:52 with and maybe cooking for his own 65-year-old mom.

4:56 Sitting in the middle is one of these thousands of home

4:58 health firms that have an NPI number necessary to build Medicaid.

5:02 And then the 40-year-old becomes an employee of that company.

5:05 But the only patient is mom.

5:07 There's no way to verify whether he's providing services

5:10 unless his mom is willing to rat him out.

5:13 Maybe he even gives a portion of the pay to mommy

5:15 as a kickback for allowing her social security number to be used.

5:20 Virtually apparently all of these home

5:22 healthcare companies are owned by foreigners.

5:26 As Luke writes, when we asked what home health care companies did,

5:29 one man threatened, "Journalists, who cares?

5:30 You guys pay my bills.

5:31 I'm going to tell everybody you guys are racist." Yay, there it is.

5:35 Ain't that nice?

5:36 See, this is the way the magic works.

5:38 Defraud our Medicaid systems.

5:40 Defraud federal taxpayer dollars.

5:43 And then when somebody comes knocking on the door,

5:45 you just claim that they are a racist.

5:48 Now, as Luke points out, this poverty program is different from others like

5:52 food stamps because it doesn't have a monetary cap.

5:54 Its extent is not decided by politicians,

5:56 but by any doctor willing to sign a form

5:58 saying you could use some help around the home.

6:00 And one doctor can sign a billion of these forms.

6:03 You can bankrupt the state this way.

6:05 Again, this is just part one of our series.

6:07 What's coming tomorrow is so much worse.

6:10 So much worse.

6:10 I mean, already we're talking $66 million in potential

6:13 fraud right here from 93 companies at one address.

6:17 industrial scale alleged fraud happening right here.

6:20 So, how do we get this information?

6:21 Well, there was a quiet Doge document drop in February of this year.

6:25 So, again, people were ripping on Elon Musk over Doge,

6:28 the Department of Governmental Efficiency.

6:30 Well, they had a lot of after effects Doge.

6:33 And one of the things they did is they revealed information

6:35 into the public that allows journalists like Luke and our team,

6:37 our investigative journalists here at Daily Wire,

6:40 which we've been building for a couple of years, to go out and actually dig in.

6:44 Luke was able to dive in thanks to those Doge documents.

6:48 For decades, Medicaid billing data was a black box.

6:50 It's one of the biggest government programs in human history.

6:53 The public could not see a dime of it.

6:55 And Doge changed all of that in February

6:57 with a quiet data release that a lot of people missed.

6:59 Well, again, this week,

7:00 we're going to reveal a lot more about what's going on in Ohio.

7:03 We'll talk about one landlord who owned buildings with 300

7:07 different Medicaid companies that build the federal government $250 million.

7:14 I mean, this kind of fraud has consequences.

7:17 And again, it is a feature, not a bug.

7:18 You would imagine that there would be Democrats out

7:20 there who are upset with this kind of fraud.

7:22 After all, if you're an advocate for a government program,

7:25 you should want every dollar of that taxpayer money

7:27 to go to someone who deserves the taxpayer money.

7:31 But that's not what's happening.

7:32 Democrats are irritated by the fact that people are uncovering this stuff.

7:36 Now, the good news is Ohio is Republican governed.

7:39 Mike Dwine is the governor of Ohio.

7:40 Vet Ramaswami is very likely to be

7:42 the next governor of Ohio and President Trump is

7:44 on top of this and Vice President Vance is

7:46 heading up the waste fraud and abuse policing here.

7:49 So we are very hopeful that there will be action here and that's what we need.

7:52 That's what we need.

7:53 We need you to get involved.

7:54 Share that story from dailywire.com.

7:57 It's not paywalled.

7:58 We need to help spread the word and hold

8:00 people who are defrauding the American people to account.

8:02 We need government hearings.

8:04 We need prosecutions.

8:05 We need doors kicked down.

8:07 We need investigations.

8:09 And again, Republican governors, federal officials need to fix this.

8:13 That is what we are working on.

8:14 That is what we are calling for because

8:16 true change can be effectuated here by criminal justice.

8:19 And this is a unique time to do it.

8:20 The Trump administration has made policing waste, fraud, and abuse possible.

8:24 This was not going to happen under Democrats.

8:26 It can happen under Republicans.

8:28 But people need to know about this story and they need to get that out there.

8:30 So head on over to dailywire.com and help spread that story

8:34 and be part of the movement that ends welfare fraud in the country.

8:38 Coming up, Spirit Airlines is now a ghost.

8:41 And guess what?

8:41 People are blaming capitalism rather than government.

8:44 They're getting it wrong.

8:44 Plus, Tucker Carlson does a very, very long interview with the New York Times.

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10:01 Meanwhile, on the economic front, one of the most astonishing features

10:06 of of the way that the left views economics is

10:08 they block the free markets from working and then

10:10 they blame the free markets when something fails.

10:13 So over the weekend, Spirit Airlines finally gave up the ghost.

10:20 Spirit had entered bankruptcy in August of last year

10:23 for the second time in a year and its executives,

10:26 according to the Wall Street Journal,

10:27 developed a game plan dubbed Plan Charlie in case

10:29 the company's fortunes could not be turned around.

10:33 So, they tried to negotiate with the federal government.

10:35 They were hoping for a $500 million government bailout

10:38 to the tune of 90% government ownership in Spirit Airlines.

10:42 Okay?

10:42 I'm just telling you, you know what I don't need to own?

10:44 You know, you don't need to own.

10:45 You don't taxpayers don't need to own Spirit Airlines.

10:48 That is not the way that failing companies should be bailed out.

10:51 In fact, when companies fail, when they are falling down,

10:53 what should happen is that they find another private buyer.

10:56 They either go bankrupt, they run it into the ground,

10:58 or they merge or they seek outside funding.

11:01 Because again, when it comes to the risk-taking

11:04 that is necessary in private industry,

11:07 the next step of failure is you have to go

11:09 out and you have to demonstrate a turnaround plan.

11:12 You have to show somebody else that you are willing to make serious

11:15 changes and then you can bring in new capital or maybe you can merge.

11:18 The problem of course is Democrats are

11:21 responsible for the death of Spirit Airlines

11:23 because Spirit Airlines tried to merge

11:26 with JetBlue last year and Democrats stopped it.

11:30 Now Spirit is trying to blame the Jet Fuel prices for its bankruptcy.

11:36 They're trying to declare that the war

11:37 in Iran is what what the real problem was.

11:39 But that wasn't the real problem because again

11:41 the other airline companies are not going bankrupt right now.

11:44 Spirit was running on non-solid footing.

11:47 Again, Spirit was famous for very very cheap airline fairs, you know,

11:52 but now what what's happened is

11:54 competition has actually made airline travel better.

11:56 I know there are a lot of people right now who are ripping on the airlines.

11:58 I get it.

11:59 I travel a lot.

12:00 I traveled coach out to LA yesterday and I got to say it wasn't the best.

12:06 I mean, I was flying JetBlue.

12:08 One thing that's happened for example is JetBlue provides free internet.

12:11 So it used to be and it still is on some of the airlines that they make you pay

12:15 for the internet and now it seems that more

12:17 and more airlines are going to move toward the free model.

12:20 Competition and more competition in this area leads to better results.

12:23 Well, JetBlue was trying to buy Spirit.

12:25 They were trying to merge with Spirit

12:27 that was blocked by Democrats because Democrats

12:29 have a theory and that theory is if business gets bigger that is inherently bad.

12:34 So there are two theories of antitrust.

12:36 Okay, antitrust is the idea that you can't have a monopoly

12:39 dominating a market cuz then it can set prices wherever it wants.

12:42 So if you had a grocery store monopoly in your neighborhood,

12:45 theoretically that could set the price twice what it

12:47 normally would be because you don't have any other choices.

12:50 Now true monopoly is incredibly rare in the market

12:53 because if the prices tend to skyrocket,

12:55 somebody else wants to get in on that action.

12:57 They open up a grocery store across the street.

13:00 Typically true monopoly requires government intervention

13:03 on behalf of the of the monopoly.

13:05 But there's a second theory of antitrust that is not about the consumer at all.

13:09 The first theory of antitrust says you should

13:11 only police for monopoly when the consumer is harmed.

13:16 And then there's a second theory of antitrust, the Democrat theory,

13:19 which is if something is big, it is bad.

13:21 That is the theory pursued by Senator Elizabeth Warren.

13:23 So Elizabeth Warren is now blaming President Trump for Spirits bankruptcy.

13:28 She put out a tweet saying, "Spiking fuel prices from Trump's war was the nail

13:32 in the coffin for twice bankrupted Spirit Airline.

13:34 For what it's worth, JetBlue merger failed because a judge appointed

13:37 by Ronald Reagan said the deal was illegal.

13:39 Republicans are desperate to shift blame from higher costs hitting families,

13:42 but that's not true." Okay, the reality is that there was a block

13:45 by the Biden administration on the merger between JetBlue and Spirit.

13:51 In fact, here she was tweeting back in March

13:54 of 2024 triumphantly that the JetBlue Spirit merger had been ended.

13:59 Quote, "I've warned for months that a JetBlue Spirit Airlines

14:02 merger would have led to fewer flights and higher fairs.

14:05 The Justice Department and the Department of Transportation were right

14:08 to stand up for consumers and fight against runaway airline consolidation.

14:12 This is a Biden win for flyers.

14:13 So, do you feel like you're winning now?

14:15 There are fewer flights available.

14:16 Do you feel like you're winning?" By the way,

14:19 the ex secretary of transportation,

14:21 a man who really, really loves Choo Choo trains, Pete Buddhaj,

14:24 who for some reason is considered an elite

14:26 Democratic contender for the presidency after legitimately

14:30 running the trail trains off the rails during

14:32 his tenure at at the Department of Transportation.

14:34 Here was Pete Budajedge in March 2024 talking about

14:38 why they blocked the merger that would have saved Spirit.

14:41 Our department, the Department of Transportation has

14:44 generally not gotten involved in these merger cases.

14:48 Uh but that's changing today.

14:50 It is so important to make sure that passengers have choices,

14:55 that they have access to low fairs, that they have access to competition,

14:59 and yet we've seen less and less and less of that competition over the years.

15:05 Okay, again, the lack of competition is not

15:08 going to be alleviated by things going bankrupt.

15:12 Ridiculous.

15:14 Now, again, this is the Democrat stick.

15:16 The Democrat stick always and forever is government gets involved in a thing.

15:20 Government makes the thing worse, blame capitalism.

15:23 And for people who don't understand

15:25 free markets and don't understand capitalism,

15:27 that's always an easy pitch because we live in a very, very prosperous time.

15:31 We are richer than any human beings in the history of of mankind.

15:35 And so we tend to think that the natural state of things is being rich.

15:39 Again, if you took a person from 1800

15:41 and dropped them into modern American society,

15:44 they would not know what is going on.

15:45 They would think that they dropped into materialist

15:47 heaven because you can get anything you want

15:50 at the press of a button delivered to your door

15:52 with a magic device you hold in your hand.

15:55 And that thing was sourced from 70 different countries.

15:57 And you can do it affordably.

15:59 I know people talk about affordability and again affordability is

16:02 a malleable term because no one ever considers anything truly affordable.

16:07 But let's just put it this way.

16:08 Back in 1800, an hour of candle light

16:11 might have cost you several hours of work during

16:13 the day because you had to go get wax or you had to go get whale oil.

16:17 Okay?

16:17 Today, electricity is free.

16:19 You flick on a light and it just stays

16:20 on all day and you don't even think about it.

16:23 Okay?

16:23 Because capitalism makes things better and it makes things cheaper.

16:27 But also because of that, we tend to not understand how capitalism works.

16:30 So when something fails, we blame quote unquote the system.

16:34 But we never allow the system, meaning free markets, credit for the success.

16:38 You want to know why it is cheap to fly coast to coast?

16:42 And it is, by the way, comparatively,

16:44 look at the percentage of income people had to spend on an air ticket in 1960

16:49 versus the percentage of income that you have to spend on an air ticket today.

16:52 Way, way, way, way lower.

16:54 Okay?

16:54 Why?

16:55 Because of competition.

16:56 Why?

16:56 Because of innovation.

16:57 But if a company goes bankrupt, that must be the evil of capitalism.

17:01 Hey, so the reason that we have to argue

17:03 in favor of capitalism is because if capitalism dies, America dies.

17:07 We lose.

17:08 We lose to our competitors.

17:09 Also because capitalism is in fact moral.

17:12 And one of the things that I've been

17:14 railing against in the conservative movement for a long

17:16 time is this idea that capitalism and free

17:19 markets can only be defended on a utilitarian basis.

17:23 that free markets and capitalism are only good because of their products.

17:28 And the problem with that argument, it's true,

17:30 it's true that capitalism does make things better and it

17:32 does make things cheaper and people innovate and they invent.

17:35 That's all true.

17:36 But if you don't defend capitalism and free markets on a moral basis,

17:41 you leave room for true grifters and demagogues ranging

17:45 from Tucker Carlson to Bernie Sanders to suggest that true

17:48 morality would be ditching the free markets in favor

17:52 of a centralized governmental system that is fairer in some way.

17:57 See, the true Marxist appeal, the appeal of Marxism was never that Marxism

18:00 was going to make life better for people.

18:02 It was that it was going to change men's souls.

18:04 That was always the religious appeal of the Marxist philosophy.

18:07 It is not that you were going to have

18:09 better stuff cheaper that you going to be more prosperous.

18:12 That may have been Marx's original theory,

18:14 but it was abjectly wrong and clearly wrong.

18:18 Okay?

18:18 But undergirling that theory was a different theory.

18:21 That true justice for man springs from the idea

18:24 that a centralized government can provide cosmic justice.

18:28 That free markets are somehow inherently unfair.

18:31 That they are immoral.

18:32 Not that they're not productive.

18:33 that they are immoral.

18:34 Okay?

18:34 So, you have to make a moral defense of free markets.

18:37 So, here's the moral defense of free

18:38 markets that conservatives should be making.

18:40 First, man is made in the image of God.

18:43 We're all made in the image of God.

18:44 That means that we are creative, choosing people with autonomy and power.

18:49 And that means that we have a right

18:50 to the products of our own labor because we are individuals.

18:53 So, if we make something, we own that thing.

18:57 Free markets are rooted in that simple recognition.

18:59 If I own my property, I ought to be able to trade it.

19:02 I ought to be able to dispense with it.

19:04 I ought to be able to invest it as I see fit so

19:06 long as my decisions are not infringing upon the equal rights of other people.

19:10 And finally, free markets are just.

19:12 They are.

19:13 I understand there are a lot of people who believe that free markets

19:16 are unjust because some people prosper

19:18 and some people don't in the same measure.

19:20 But that is a misinterpretation of the concept of justice.

19:23 Justice does not mean that we all have the same result.

19:25 Justice is the proposition, as Aristotle suggested,

19:28 that equals should be treated equally and unequals unequally.

19:32 You might be mad at God or in nature for not

19:34 making the world the way that you would want it, but that's not justice.

19:38 It's arrogance and stupidity and childishness.

19:40 If you're just mad because some people are better at things than you are,

19:44 that's the way the world works.

19:45 LeBron James is better at basketball than I am.

19:47 I am better at talking on camera than LeBron James.

19:49 That's just the way the world is.

19:51 That is a natural state of the world.

19:54 We are all provided equal rights by God.

19:56 But that doesn't mean we all have equal qualities

19:59 and there is no way for a centralized government to rectify

20:02 that absent some sort of Kurt Vonagget Harrison Burggeron burden

20:07 the people who actually achieve in order to achieve justice.

20:11 Thomas so points out that justice is

20:13 usually considered a process not an outcome.

20:15 That's why we have a justice system.

20:17 For example, we're not God that we should just

20:20 declare there should be equality or there should be justice.

20:23 There is a universe.

20:24 There's a world of real fact.

20:26 And we have to determine whether we are making things worse

20:29 or better when we make a specific change in that system.

20:33 And by the way, free markets actually do promote true

20:35 freedom because I get to value my labor however I choose.

20:38 That's what the pricing system is.

20:40 The pricing system is an aggregation of what I think something is worth and what

20:43 you think something is worth and what

20:45 we all collectively think things are worth.

20:48 Free markets prize diversity in a very, very serious sense.

20:51 They take account of every individual's needs

20:53 and wants and desires and then they allow

20:55 for that diversity of opinion to emerge

20:57 on the value of products, goods and services.

20:59 So why am I explaining all of this?

21:00 Because what we are watching right now

21:01 and Spirit Airlines is a great example of this.

21:03 What we are watching right now is an anti- capitalist revolution.

21:08 All righty.

21:08 Coming up, Tucker Carlson does an entire

21:10 interview with the New York Times in which it becomes clear that he and Hassan

21:13 they're basically the same thing except that Tucker,

21:16 you know, does his show out of a cabin and Hassan does his show from Cardier.

21:19 Other than that, they they say kind of the same thing.

21:21 First, there's been a lot of talk lately about how

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22:58 I first noticed that Tucker Carlson was going wrong.

23:02 Okay.

23:02 So, Tucker Carlson, he um I will say

23:07 that that Tucker Carlson's dislike of capitalism was the first clue.

23:11 The reason I'm bringing this up is because Tucker did a very,

23:14 very long interview with the New York Times over the weekend.

23:17 That has struck a lot of conservatives as odd.

23:19 Didn't strike me as odd because of course I've

23:21 been watching what Tucker has been doing for a while.

23:23 And what he is representative of is a demagogic right that despises free markets

23:28 and meritocracy and believes there need

23:30 to be special carveout rights for particular groups.

23:32 It is the mirror of the grievance party left.

23:35 It's why I have suggested that the horseshoe right

23:37 and the left are basically on the same page.

23:39 They just have different groups they're trying to benefit.

23:42 That essentially their argument is the same.

23:44 American society is a big conspiracy.

23:46 Free markets a gigantic conspiracy.

23:48 Constitutional government a gigantic conspiracy that must be broken through.

23:52 There must be a revision of how we think about the role

23:55 of government in our lives and free markets have to be brought to heal.

23:59 The meritocracy is a lie and you're suffering in your life.

24:02 That's the fault of these vague systems and there's a conspiratorial

24:05 elites who are in charge of those systems trying to harm you.

24:09 Now, a lot of people are saying that right and they are saying that left.

24:12 But the clues were all there.

24:14 The clues are all there.

24:16 So, back in 2018, this is the moment where

24:18 I I first noticed that Tucker was off the rails.

24:21 So back in 2018, now eight years ago, I interviewed Tucker Carlson.

24:26 This is a younger, more innocent Ben Shapiro interviewing Tucker Carlson.

24:30 And Tucker was still on Fox at the time.

24:32 And he had written a book in which he

24:34 really ripped on capitalism in some pretty significant ways.

24:37 In this interview, by the way,

24:38 he would endorse the economic proposals of of say Bernie Sanders openly.

24:42 And I asked him about self-driving cars.

24:47 And one of the things that he said

24:48 about self-driving cars is that he would ban them.

24:50 He said he would ban them because it would save trucker jobs in in the Midwest.

24:56 Okay, which again is a a lite perspective.

24:58 The reality is self-driving cars make things

25:01 cheaper for people all over the United States.

25:03 If transportation costs go down, guess what else goes down?

25:05 Your costs.

25:06 Productivity decreases cost because it increases supply.

25:10 And so I asked him in this interview about banning self-driving cars,

25:15 and he said he would.

25:16 But this was the part that really struck me.

25:19 Look, capitalism is the best economic system I can think of, I think,

25:23 that anyone's ever thought of.

25:25 But that doesn't mean that it's a religion and everything about it is good.

25:29 There's no nasine creed of capitalism that I have to buy into.

25:32 What I care about is living in a country where,

25:35 you know, decent people can live happy lives actually.

25:38 And so, no, I would say immediat No.

25:40 Are you joking?

25:41 And I maybe would make up some pretext for public consumption like,

25:44 "Oh, they're dangerous.

25:45 The technology is not quite finessed." No.

25:47 No.

25:47 But the truth would be I don't want to put 10 million men out of work because

25:52 you're going to have 10 million dead families

25:54 and the cascading effect from that will wreck your country.

25:56 And now you'll notice that Tucker even then was

25:59 doing this game where he would say, "I love capitalism.

26:01 Capitalism is wonderful." I just think that capitalism

26:04 isn't isn't something we have to adhere to.

26:06 It's something that we can ditch on behalf of the greater good.

26:08 Okay.

26:08 When the when the exception eats the rule, you don't have a rule.

26:13 If the idea is that the greater good trumps the individual rights of the market,

26:17 there is no limit on that.

26:18 You can use that argument for virtually anything.

26:21 For virtually anything.

26:22 Okay.

26:23 So this was reflected in Tucker's interview with the New York Times.

26:30 So Tucker was asked if capitalism is evil.

26:34 And here's what Tucker Carlson had to say about whether capitalism was evil.

26:37 He said this to the New York Times.

26:40 the current system.

26:42 Um, and I don't know what you would call our economic system.

26:45 I mean, I'm often told it's free market capitalism.

26:48 It doesn't bear any resemblance to what I thought free market capitalism was.

26:52 I'm not sure the name is important except as a way

26:57 to mislead and bully people into being quiet about it.

27:00 But any economic system in which you know

27:04 the overwhelming majority of the rewards go to an ever

27:08 shrinking number of people or or proportion of people

27:13 is a doomed system because it makes people revolutionary.

27:16 I saw this in Venezuela which I visited as a child.

27:18 It was a prosperous kind of first world country.

27:20 Beautiful country actually.

27:24 Okay.

27:24 Okay, so the idea first of all that Venezuela was

27:26 a model of capitalism until Ugo Chavez came around is ridiculous.

27:30 They had serious corruption problems in Venezuela well before Ugo Chavez.

27:34 But again, he's not defending capitalism.

27:36 He is ripping capitalism in precisely

27:38 the same terms that leftists rip capitalism.

27:41 Tucker Carlson is not in any way on the right at this point.

27:45 I mean, here is Hassan with the folks at trigonometry basically

27:49 saying the same thing that capitalism will inevitably lead to authoritarianism.

27:54 My fear is that that is where capitalism inevitably leads.

28:02 Why?

28:00 If left unressed because capitalism is always going to deteriorate.

28:05 It's slowly going to improve material conditions as opposed to feudalism.

28:09 It's a far better system for sure.

28:10 It's far better than monarchies, right?

28:12 I agree.

28:13 Um, but there will come a point where it

28:16 outlives its usefulness and those who own the capital,

28:20 the owners of capital will have to make a decision.

28:23 There's too much instability.

28:24 There's too much chaos.

28:25 We need to restore order.

28:29 Okay.

28:30 So again, Tucker Carlson, Hassan saying the exact same thing.

28:34 And here was Tucker Carlson again in this interview with the New York Times

28:37 saying that what we are watching right

28:39 now is a total destruction of economic opportunity.

28:41 Again, this is demagoguery at the highest level.

28:44 This is true demagoguery.

28:45 We have an unemployment rate in this country of under 5%.

28:49 The notion that nobody can get a job is a lie.

28:51 It is a lie that is fostered by people

28:53 who are attempting to destroy free market systems.

28:56 Here is Tucker Carlson again.

28:59 He and Hassan believe the same things about these issues.

29:03 Here he was.

29:06 I had dinner the other night with a bunch of kids from Stanford.

29:09 Really smart.

29:09 They're at Stanford and one of them said, "Oh yeah,

29:12 his best friend just graduated with a degree in computer science last year.

29:15 Has not been able to find a job.

29:17 Stanford computer science can't find a job." So that's like

29:19 a window into the total destruction of the economic opportunity for young

29:25 people and the what looks to me as a non-economist like

29:28 the true hoarding of capital by a tiny group of people.

29:32 It looks like a very lopsided and unfair economic system that is guaranteed

29:39 to radicalize young people and not

29:41 just young people but especially young people.

29:45 Okay.

29:45 So again this idea that he cites one Stanford student

29:49 to say that there's a hoarding of capital at the top levels.

29:52 It's just Marxist clap trap.

29:54 Okay.

29:54 Yes, AI means that there are obviously transitions in the job market,

29:58 but this idea that this is therefore somehow to be laid at the feet

30:03 of free market capitalism itself and what

30:04 you really need is government interventionism, it's insanity.

30:09 Again, Hassan says the exact same thing here.

30:12 He was saying that profit seekers criticize him, right?

30:15 It's the profit seekers, the profiters,

30:17 the people who are who are, you know, hoarding the capital.

30:20 This is just pure Marxist language from Tucker,

30:22 which is why he and Hassan are again holding hands here.

30:27 I am the danger.

30:28 We are the danger.

30:30 And I need them to understand this.

30:32 Uh we're dangerous to the corporate bottom line.

30:34 We're dangerous to profit seekers and that's the only thing

30:38 that our politicians and many in the media care about right now.

30:41 So in some respects, they are correct.

30:44 Uh the danger is uh what might happen to to profit seekers who want to pay

30:49 while healthcare and I don't mean like uh

30:51 you know divine retribution or punishment of any sort.

30:54 I mean the worst punishment of all uh where they can

30:58 no longer uh they can no longer justify multi-million dollar salaries.

31:02 Um I am a danger to those who seek profit

31:05 and put the interest of profit over the interests of people.

31:08 And that's precisely the reason why they attack people like myself.

31:13 Okay.

31:14 The interest of profit over the interests of people.

31:15 This is the same thing that Tucker is saying.

31:17 Here's Tucker in this New York Times interview

31:19 saying that banks have an incentive to fment conflict.

31:22 This is conspiratorial horseshit.

31:24 I mean truly this idea that the folks at City

31:26 Bank are sitting there being like, "Yes, let's do war.

31:29 Let's do war." Banks have zero incentive to fment conflict.

31:34 In fact, banks lose money typically during wars

31:38 because it turns out that the government gets

31:40 very very into the business of how banks

31:42 run and then tries to seize their capital.

31:45 Anyway, here is Tucker.

31:47 For most Americans, people who are born here, black, white, Hispanic,

31:51 Asian, doesn't matter of any race, the real concerns are economic.

31:54 And I do think that certain forces, the banks, people loaning the money,

32:02 have a real incentive to ferment

32:06 dissent within the population against each other.

32:08 Fight amongst yourselves while we continue to charge

32:10 you 25% interest on your credit card.

32:13 I mean, again, this is it's indistinguishable from Assan Pikar.

32:17 The banks have an interest in what?

32:18 The BLM riots.

32:20 The banks have an interest in destruction of property.

32:22 What the hell is he talking about?

32:24 Again, the left and the right here are

32:25 on the same page because in the end, what they hate,

32:28 what they cannot stand is the idea

32:30 of a free market system that rests on individual freedom.

32:32 They want to restructure it in line with their own preferences.

32:36 And Bernie Sanders's view on AI is basically

32:39 the same as Tucker Carlson's view on AI, which is the same thing,

32:42 by the way, as the Chinese view on AI because

32:45 China is trying to destroy us on the AI front.

32:47 They're trying to out compete us.

32:48 Bernie Sanders over the past couple of weeks hosted a panel

32:52 with literal members of Chinese universities on AI safety and governance.

32:57 And at that panel, he said, quote, "The richest,

32:59 most powerful people in the world are

33:01 not building a brother train with no brakes.

33:03 They acknowledge they don't understand how it works.

33:05 They don't know where it's headed.

33:08 We need to cooperate.

33:09 We need dialogue." Again,

33:10 the the reason that Bernie and all the rest of these characters are ripping

33:15 on AI is not because they have

33:17 some sort of principled stand against AI excesses.

33:20 I think we all agree that AI is scary

33:23 because we don't know quite what to make of it.

33:24 That is not the same thing as what Bernie is doing,

33:27 which is literally aligning with the Chinese government on this matter.

33:33 Here is Bernie on the AI moratorium.

33:37 If scientists who are Nobel Prize winners, guys who've gotten the touring award,

33:43 which is the major award given to people in computer science,

33:46 if they say to you that humanity is in danger, do you think you might want to do

33:52 something about it or am I missing something here?

33:54 You tell me.

33:55 So, no, I that the percentages are also someone's,

33:59 oh, there's only a 10% chance humanity is destroyed.

34:02 It's like, well, I don't like those odds.

34:04 Only a 10% chance.

34:06 Good.

34:06 I know the anti- capitalists over a POD of America

34:11 and Bernie Sanders and Tucker all on the same page.

34:13 Where does this end up?

34:14 This ends up with the grievance party.

34:15 Like a true grievance party, a third party that is rooted in grievance.

34:19 Here is Tucker Carlson in his interview with the New York Times saying that he

34:22 wants a new party basically a new party that is isolationist on foreign policy,

34:29 that is restrictionist on immigration,

34:30 and that is interventionist in the economy.

34:32 You might call it a national socialist party.

34:34 Here is Tucker Carlson.

34:37 You know, you can't just put a new coat of paint

34:39 or fresh drywall on these structures because they are ridden with rot.

34:45 Okay.

34:45 So, I would like to see them repaired.

34:47 That would be the simplest solution.

34:49 I don't think that's likely to happen.

34:51 So, of course, I would be thrilled to see

34:55 the rise of a party that represented the majority of Americans.

34:59 And again, saying the same exact thing here.

35:01 Here he was with former Democratic Congresswoman Cory Bush of BLM

35:05 fame saying they're not going to vote for the Democrats.

35:07 Again, it's it's all the same thing.

35:09 It's all the same thing.

35:09 It's an insurgent effort to overthrow American meritocracy.

35:13 That's all it is.

35:15 Here we go.

35:17 For far too long, we've been told you have to vote for harm reduction.

35:21 We all know the Republicans are corrupt.

35:24 We all know that they're monsters.

35:26 They're racist.

35:26 They traffic in hatred.

35:29 But we are here to say we are no

35:32 longer going to vote for do nothing DEMOCRATS EITHER.

35:35 WE'RE VOTING FOR Democrats with a purpose.

35:42 Now again, all of this is rooted

35:44 in a broader conspiracy theory because here's the thing.

35:47 Most Americans understand because they are not

35:49 ungrateful that America is unique and incredible place.

35:52 That our free markets make us awesome.

35:54 That our constitution means we have freedoms no one else on earth has.

35:57 that the greatest privilege in life is to be born an American.

36:00 It's an unbelievable privilege.

36:02 And so you have to come up

36:03 with a conspiracy theory that suggests actually you've been gaslit.

36:07 Actually, you are a victim of false consciousness.

36:09 Actually, the institutions have been brainwashing

36:11 you and are routinely betraying you.

36:14 And Tucker and Hassan they're on the same team here.

36:17 This is why during this New York Times interview, it's insane.

36:20 By the way, Tucker Carlson,

36:21 who apparently pretends that he's a friend to TPUSA and Erica Kirk,

36:26 is literally out there sewing doubts about

36:28 the FBI's investigation into Charlie Kirk's murder.

36:32 This is not the activity of a friend.

36:33 This is an activity of a leech.

36:35 Here is Tucker Carlson.

36:38 My concern more broadly is about the investigation into Charlie's murder,

36:43 which was shortcircuited by the FBI.

36:45 And I'd like to know why.

36:47 And I I don't care to be screamed at for asking that question.

36:51 It's a legitimate question and we know that.

36:53 Uh well, I know that for a bunch of reasons,

36:55 but uh the public knows it because Joe Kent said it out loud and explained it.

37:01 He's the head of the National Counterterrorism Center.

37:02 He's in Odini and he was told by the FBI that he could not investigate it.

37:08 And as a friend of Charlie's,

37:11 I'm not going to be intimidated into saying the following,

37:14 which is on what grounds would you do that?

37:16 I'm not saying the guy who's been arrested didn't pull the trigger.

37:20 I'm not There's been no trial.

37:21 He was obviously handed over by his father.

37:24 Um, do we know that?

37:25 I don't know what I know because there hasn't been a trial yet.

37:29 I don't know what I know.

37:30 I don't know what I know.

37:31 This this ridiculous game.

37:32 I'm not going to go into the tremendous evil

37:34 of undermining an ongoing prosecution into the murder of Charlie Kirk,

37:37 which actually is an evil thing to do.

37:39 I'm just going to point out the point of what Tucker is doing,

37:41 which of course is to sew doubt in American institutions,

37:44 even the ones that are currently run by Tucker's supposed allies.

37:47 It's all part of a broader conspiracy theory

37:49 that the institutions of America are lying to you.

37:52 They are aimed at destroying you.

37:55 Again, he and the Hassan Pikers of the world are holding hands.

37:58 America is inherently corrupt.

37:59 America's systems are inherently evil.

38:01 America's systems need to be torn to the ground.

38:03 Here's Hassan saying the same thing from a different angle.

38:07 America is in its foundation a white supremacist country.

38:12 This is very frustrating for Republicans to hear.

38:14 This is even frustrating for liberals to hear sometimes,

38:16 but it's just the truth.

38:19 Okay?

38:20 And then you get to where it's very clear everybody is holding hands.

38:23 So, if you have a conspiracy theory about the free markets

38:26 that truly they're the invention of a corrupt group of people,

38:30 if your belief is that America's systems are inherently evil,

38:33 they lie to you on behalf of somebody else,

38:36 and then you look around, you say, "Who's successful?

38:39 Who who are the beneficiaries of this system?" This is

38:42 how you end up with Tucker Carlson and Hassan

38:45 and all the rest of the people trafficking

38:48 in anti-Israel bizarre anti-Jewish conspiracy theories in the same group.

38:53 That is always the outcome of this conspiratorial worldview.

38:56 It is not a feature.

38:57 It is not a bug.

38:58 It is a feature.

38:58 It is a thing that unifi It is the glue that holds everybody together.

39:03 Truly holds everybody together.

39:05 And this is not speculative.

39:06 Right?

39:06 Medi Hassan who is a wild anti-American propagandist.

39:11 He's out there saying that his relatives love Tucker Carlson now.

39:13 I can't imagine why.

39:15 Would that be because Tucker Carlson is upholding

39:17 the virtue of Sharia law in cities around the world?

39:20 Or would it be because he is doing

39:21 propaganda on behalf of Islam's view of Jesus?

39:24 Or is it because he is doing propaganda

39:27 against Israel every single day of the week?

39:29 Or is it because he is spreading conspiracy theories about

39:31 how nefarious Zionists are in control of the American government?

39:35 Here's Medi Hassan again,

39:36 one of the more despicable people in American public commentary.

39:40 you talk about people who um you are immigrants

39:42 to the United States taking advantage of the system.

39:44 Here he is praising Tucker Carlson.

39:47 For the people watching at home,

39:49 um these days Tucker Carlson has a big fan base amongst

39:52 the anti-war left who see him as saying the right stuff,

39:55 trying to stop Trump from illegal wars in Iran and amongst a lot

39:58 of Muslims and Arab Americans who see

40:00 him now as this great champion of Palestine.

40:03 Uh wherever I go, literally wherever I go in this country,

40:05 I do a lot of live events.

40:07 I I do a lot of public events.

40:08 People come up to me, when are you going on Tucker Carlson?

40:10 When are you going to do an event with Tuck Carlson?

40:11 Why don't you do a collab with Tucker Carlson?

40:13 We love Tucker Carlson wherever I go.

40:14 People ask me more about Tucker Carlson, even in my own family,

40:16 than they ask me about my wife and kids.

40:19 Meanwhile, Chank Weaguer is out there also standing for Tucker Carlson.

40:23 Quote, "If your house is on fire and someone comes to the hose,

40:26 you don't ask him about what his policy is on the carried interest loophole.

40:29 You thank him for the help.

40:30 If you hadn't noticed,

40:31 Israel lit our house on fire." And the alliance is very strong and it

40:35 is based again on this idea that somehow a nefarious codery of outside people,

40:39 Jews are running the country.

40:42 Here is Tucker Carlson claiming that President

40:44 Trump is being held hostage by Netanyahu

40:46 and his advocates in the United States who

40:48 presumably would be pro-Israel Jews and Christian Zionists,

40:50 the people he says he despises most.

40:52 Here he was talking to the New York Times in terms that are

40:54 quite familiar to every anti-semite in the right-wing and on the left.

41:00 This was not a normal decision-making process.

41:02 And my strong impression was that Trump was more a hostage

41:06 than than a than a sovereign decision maker in this.

41:10 Well, so tell me what you're getting at when

41:11 you say the president of the United States,

41:13 the most powerful country in the world, had no choice.

41:16 I don't know what I'm getting at.

41:17 I'm just telling you what I observed.

41:18 He seemed I and that's kind of the question.

41:21 And I'm what I'm really fascinated by is the lack

41:24 of curiosity on display into how exactly this happened.

41:27 What are the mechanisms by which a guy who's

41:30 supposedly sovereign in charge granted this authority by voters,

41:33 tens of millions of them,

41:35 can't make a decision in the country's interest or even in his own interest.

41:40 He knew and I know he knew because I talked to him

41:42 about it directly that the consequences

41:45 potential consequences were profound and profoundly bad.

41:48 The end of his presidency to start,

41:51 which I think it has proven to be, he knew that.

41:55 I don't even know what I knew.

41:56 I don't even know what I'm saying.

41:57 I don't even know what I'm questioning.

41:58 I'm just asking why people aren't asking the same

42:00 questions I'm asking when there's no evidence of the questions.

42:03 Is it okay?

42:04 This again is a right-le uniting issue, at least on the fringes.

42:09 Now, the mainstream of the Democratic Party has been doing the same thing.

42:12 They've also been claiming that Trump was somehow

42:13 argued into the war by the nefarious Jews.

42:16 Now, President Trump, I've noticed, is kind of a headstrong character.

42:19 I've noticed he makes a lot of his own decisions.

42:21 But according to Tucker Carlson and the left,

42:23 the only way this could have happened is if somebody argued Trump into it,

42:26 and those people probably had suspiciously evil motives.

42:32 He entered a war, got pulled into it by BB Netanyahu.

42:36 Let's be clear about that.

42:38 Because people are offended that Netanyahu is bragging that JD Vance,

42:42 the vice president, is reporting to him.

42:45 How about reporting to the United States Congress?

42:47 I mean, this administration has insulted Congress.

42:51 They're more concerned with reporting to people like

42:54 Netanyahu than they are to the American people.

42:56 What are our country leaders doing?

42:58 They're following Netanyahu.

43:00 The timing of this war was dictated by BB Netanyahu.

43:07 But we should never ever be bullied as maybe

43:10 President Trump was by any other world leader.

43:15 Just ridiculous.

43:16 And by the way, Tucker goes further than that.

43:18 He says that Israel decides the future

43:19 of the American economy and American service members.

43:21 In this interview with the New York Times,

43:25 Israel has that power in our Congress.

43:28 Not because we have so many Jews.

43:30 I don't know how many Jews live in the United States.

43:32 Fewer than 10 million, I think, but because we have tens

43:34 of millions of evangelical Christians who unquestioningly

43:38 support Israel because they believe it's their theological duty to do so.

43:42 So on this question hangs the future of the American

43:46 economy and the lives of American service members.

43:51 The idea that the American economy hinges on the future of Israel is bizarre.

43:56 It's bizarre.

43:57 Okay.

43:57 But of course Tucker also thinks that City Bank

44:00 is a bigger threat to the United States than Hamas.

44:02 So here we go.

44:05 I'm against the idea that Hezbollah and Hamas

44:07 are at the center of our domestic conversation.

44:09 Like they're the big problems we face.

44:10 or not like they're not a bigger problem than like the behavior of City Bank.

44:15 I'm sorry.

44:15 Credit card debt is a much bigger problem than Hezbollah will ever be.

44:18 So, stop with this.

44:20 Stop with the brainwashing.

44:21 This is bonkers.

44:22 I live here.

44:23 I'm almost 57.

44:24 I've lived here a long time.

44:25 Hamas and Hezbollah, while they're not getting my endorsement,

44:29 are not relevant to the experience of most Americans.

44:34 City Bank is a bigger threat to Americans than Hamas orbah.

44:38 I mean, first of all,

44:39 we should start with the question of whether City Bank is actually a threat

44:41 to Americans because it turns out tens

44:44 of millions of Americans actually bank at City Bank.

44:46 And they could not take out a credit card from City Bank if they so chose.

44:50 They could do that.

44:51 That doesn't seem again what Tucker is doing here is suggesting

44:54 that you are being distracted from the evils of American capitalism

44:58 by foreign threats that don't actually exist on behalf presumably

45:01 of a nefarious codery of people who are somehow gaming the system.

45:06 And this is this is leftwing agit prop.

45:08 That's all it is.

45:09 And then Tucker, of course, plays ignorant about everything.

45:11 It's it's the the final point here

45:13 is that he plays ignorant about literally everything.

45:15 So the New York Times asks Tucker about the protocols of the elders design.

45:19 The protocols of the elders of Zion is a conspiracy track that was written

45:23 by the Russian secret police in the early

45:26 20th century and it was trafficked around.

45:28 It became very popular in anti-semitic circles

45:30 and it claimed that essentially there were a group

45:33 of Jews that got together on Friday

45:34 nights and basically decided to control the world.

45:36 It is the most famous anti-semitic tract ever written.

45:38 Tucker is not a He knows totally what this is.

45:41 But of course, Tucker claims he has no idea what it is.

45:43 This is always the game.

45:44 Tucker know he knows a lot.

45:46 He knows he knows more than you.

45:47 He knows so what he knows.

45:48 He doesn't know much about what he knows.

45:50 And it's always something that he doesn't actually know.

45:52 And then when something comes up that he actually does know,

45:55 his immediate response is, "I don't know anything about that.

45:56 I don't even know what you're talking about.

45:58 What what what is what is a protocol?

46:00 I don't even know.

46:01 Here we go." there is an entire um anti-semitic worldview

46:09 that has been based on the protocols of the elders of Zion.

46:12 you know that there is like this cabal

46:13 of powerful Jews that controls the world and you

46:17 know that book was written in the early uh 20th century but it you know helped

46:22 the Nazis and it really has informed a lot

46:25 of the views of many people today that there

46:28 is you know this very powerful sect of Jewish

46:32 people who want global war and global conflict.

46:36 people are genuinely concerned that it opens the door to this idea

46:41 that has been debunked and has been used in, you know,

46:45 absolutely vicious ways to annihilate an entire people.

46:49 I'm not quite sure what that means.

46:53 Um, let me tell you my concerns.

46:56 My main concern is the destruction of the United States

46:59 and that is in no way to minimize anyone else's concerns.

47:02 But I have a right to that concern and I will not have my own concerns hijacked.

47:08 I will not submit to being told what my concerns should be.

47:11 I'm an adult man who pays his taxes.

47:13 I have a right to come up with my own hierarchy of concern.

47:18 No one is telling him what his concerns should be.

47:20 He can have whatever concerns he wants.

47:22 It is indeed a free country.

47:23 The question is whether his concerns are justified,

47:25 whether they are based in evidence or whether they are part

47:28 of a broader conspiracy theory about the evils of the United States.

47:31 By the way, he was asked about Nick Fuentes, of course,

47:33 and he said that Senator Ted Cruz is

47:35 more morally repulsive than the Nazi standing Nick Fuentes.

47:39 This is this this guy is supposedly a leader on the right.

47:42 All right.

47:45 Who do you think is more morally repulsive?

47:47 Ted Cruz.

47:49 Who do you think is more morally repulsive?

47:51 Ted Cruz.

47:53 Ted Cruz is a sitting US senator who has

47:57 called for the killing of people who did nothing wrong.

48:01 Whole populations who advocated for this war.

48:04 Nick Fuentes is like a kid.

48:05 He's like 26 or 70.

48:07 He has no power except his words.

48:10 Here you have a public official who we pay who has actual power,

48:15 who's voting for things, who's making policy decisions.

48:18 And those decisions would include, in fact,

48:20 they are focused on the murder of people who did nothing wrong.

48:23 And yet, no one thinks it's a big deal.

48:25 What?

48:25 Well, this is totally fine.

48:27 I mean, if there's tape of Nick Fuentes saying we should kill

48:30 people because we hate their parents or it's okay to kill children,

48:34 I would love to see the tape cuz that's disgusting.

48:36 Is there crew saying that?

48:38 Basically what the entire US Senate does every single day and no one notices.

48:43 Tucker is such a liar.

48:44 He in the end he's just a liar.

48:45 He's a liar.

48:46 Because here's the thing.

48:47 You have to believe in a gigantic lie about

48:48 the United States in order to propagate this crap.

48:51 You have to.

48:51 And when I say he's a liar, I mean that in the in the purest possible sense.

48:54 Here was Tucker Carlson literally denying he said

48:57 a thing that he is on tape saying.

48:59 So he was asked by this New York Times reporter

49:01 about that time he suggested that the president was the Antichrist.

49:04 And he says, "I never said that." And she plays him the tape.

49:06 And then he continues to pretend he never said it.

49:08 It's it's unbelievable.

49:12 But I ask because you know you've been talking

49:13 on your show about whether Trump is the Antichrist.

49:16 I have not said that.

49:18 On your show the day after Easter, you noted he did not put his hand

49:21 on the Bible during his swearing in ceremony as president.

49:24 You said, and I'm quoting, maybe he didn't put his hand on the Bible

49:27 because he affirmatively rejects what's inside that book.

49:30 And then on a recent show, you went further saying,

49:32 "Here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors,

49:35 mocking the God of gods, and exalting himself above them.

49:38 Could this be the Antichrist?" I actually did not say,

49:41 "Could this be the Antichrist?"

49:43 Here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors,

49:47 mocking the God of gods, and exalting himself above them.

49:52 Could this be the Antichrist?

49:54 Well, who knows?

49:57 Um, I don't know where that comes from, but I know that those words

49:59 never left my lips because I'm not

50:02 sure I fully understand what the Antichrist is.

50:04 If there's just one, I I actually tried to understand it.

50:07 Another thing he doesn't understand he and then he

50:10 hides behind ignorance of a thing he literally said.

50:13 And that's just one lie.

50:15 But the bigger lie is the lie that he is propagating.

50:17 It's a lie that the left is also propagating.

50:19 It is a lie that America is a terrible place that is filled with nefarious

50:22 forces beyond your control that are actually

50:24 in control of your life and wrecking America.

50:27 And if that view of America prevails,

50:29 then we are in serious serious serious trouble.

50:32 Now, meanwhile, the president of the United States

50:34 continues to be a bull work against stupidity,

50:37 particularly when it comes to the war in Iran,

50:39 the one that that Tucker is decrying is the end of America.

50:42 By the way, there there is no legitimately

50:44 no argument that what is happening in Iran, is the end of America.

50:48 Even if we were to walk away right now,

50:50 it would not be remotely close to the end of America.

50:52 That's insane.

50:55 Okay.

50:55 The sententcom, the United States Central Command,

50:59 put out a notice this morning that the United States

51:02 is now forcibly attempting to open the Straight of Hormuz.

51:05 Quote, "US Navy guided missile destroyers are currently operating in the Arabian

51:09 Gulf after transiting the Straight of Hormuz in support of Project Freedom.

51:12 American forces are actively assisting efforts

51:14 to restore transit for commercial shipping.

51:16 As a first step, two US flag merchant vessels have successfully transited

51:19 through the Straight of Hormuz and are safely headed on their journey.

51:22 Okay.

51:22 So, if the United States opens the straight of Hormuz and the only

51:24 thing that remains closed is Iran's capacity to ship oil out,

51:29 they've got a massive problem because again,

51:31 their leverage point is the idea they

51:32 could blackmail the United States into basically ending

51:36 our conflict with them without them giving up

51:39 anything by shutting off the straight of Hormuz.

51:42 President Trump is not having any of it.

51:43 Here he was saying, "Listen, if we have to, we'll strike again." In what

51:49 circumstances would you restart military strike on target?

51:52 Well, I don't want to say that.

51:53 I mean, I can't tell that to a reporter if they uh misbehave,

51:57 if they do something bad, but uh right now, we'll see.

52:02 But, you know, it's it's a possibility that could happen certainly.

52:09 Well, I mean, again, the president,

52:10 I have to give him extraordinary credit here.

52:13 What he's doing right now is an active of tremendous political bravery.

52:15 The polls, by the way, are very negative on the war.

52:18 Not a shock.

52:19 The polls are very negative on everything.

52:20 Okay, this is what happens when people look at one

52:22 number in isolation without looking at the other numbers.

52:25 They think that, for example,

52:26 the president's approval ratings are low because of the war.

52:29 Okay, the reality is the president's approval

52:30 ratings are low across the board right now.

52:33 And that is because of people's dispsia with the economy.

52:36 Right now, he's got a 34% approval rating on the economy.

52:38 He's got a 33% approval rating on the war.

52:40 He's got a 45% approval rating on the border.

52:42 What happens is if a politician starts to hit an unpopular period,

52:46 everything that he does gets unpopular,

52:48 but that doesn't mean that what he's doing isn't brave.

52:51 What he's doing is incredibly brave.

52:54 His point is that we can blast the hell out of Ron or we can make a deal.

52:58 He would prefer a deal, but he's not going to walk away with an American L,

53:03 which is again very different from pretty much

53:05 all the presidents we've had in recent history.

53:10 What kind of options?

53:10 How would it look different?

53:12 I mean, do we want to go and just blast the hell out of him

53:15 and finish him forever or do we want to try and make a deal?

53:19 I mean, those are the options.

53:20 Do you want to go blast the hell out of him?

53:22 I prefer not on a human basis.

53:25 I prefer not, but that's the option.

53:29 Okay.

53:29 Meanwhile, the secretary of the treasury who has been

53:32 operating with extraordinary precision with regard to the Iranian economy,

53:36 he points out that they are basically running out of money.

53:38 They they are having to shut down oil refineries because they

53:42 don't have a way of shipping their oil out of the country.

53:44 They're running out of money to pay their guys, the IRGC,

53:47 which means the regime has a serious problem on its hand.

53:49 And remember, grabbing the straight of Hormuz was not an exercise of power.

53:53 It was an exercise of desperation.

53:55 Shutting off the straight of Hormuz alienated every country

53:57 in the region and most of the countries of Asia as well.

54:00 And if they somehow lose control of the straight of Hormuz, the Iranians,

54:04 if they can no longer control the flow in and out of the straight of Hormuz,

54:07 except that their oil is being stopped, then what leverage do they have left?

54:12 Especially if the United States goes after

54:13 the remainder of their ballistic missile facility,

54:15 something that, for example, the UAE and Saudi Arabia would love to see happen.

54:19 Here's Secretary of the Treasury, Scott Bessant.

54:23 And I can tell you that we we are suffocating

54:27 the regime and they are not able to pay their soldiers.

54:32 This is a real economic blockade and it is

54:36 in all parts of government all hands on deck.

54:39 It is the blockade that our great uh navy is doing.

54:43 No ships are getting through and we have upped the pressure on anyone

54:48 uh trying to remit money into uh Iran to help the IRGC.

54:55 You know, they are corrupt institution.

54:57 They've been stealing from the Iranian people for years.

54:59 They have money offshore.

55:01 We've tracked that down.

55:02 We will continue to track that down and we're going to preserve

55:05 those assets for the Iranian people on the other side of this conflict.

55:11 Okay.

55:11 Again, what the president is doing right now is likely to be successful.

55:14 Okay, so time for a thing I like and a thing that I hate.

55:17 So I know that people like Tucker Carlson have suggested

55:19 that the great villain of World War II was not Adolf Hitler.

55:22 You know, the person who started World War II and was

55:25 responsible for the death of legitimately tens of millions of human beings.

55:28 That actually the great villain of World War II is Winston Churchill,

55:30 the leader of Great Britain during World War II.

55:34 This, of course, is historically ignorant and ridiculous on its face.

55:37 So, I've been going through and rereading Churchill's

55:39 six volume history of the Second World War,

55:42 and there are some good reminders for our time,

55:44 mainly because they are eternal lessons.

55:46 Quote, "Delight in smooth sounding platitudes, refusal to face unpleasant facts,

55:50 genuine love of peace, and pathetic belief that love can be its sole foundation.

55:54 The utter devotion of the liberals to sentiment apart from reality,

55:57 though freed from wickedness or evil design,

55:59 played a definite part in the unleashing upon the world of horrors and miseries.

56:04 As Churchill pointed out, if you will not fight for the right,

56:06 when you can easily win without bloodshed.

56:08 If you will not fight, when your victory will be sure and not too costly,

56:10 you may come to the moment when you will have to fight

56:12 with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival.

56:15 There may even be a worst case.

56:17 You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory

56:18 because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.

56:21 And the point being that stareyed anti-Americanism,

56:27 anti-Westernism is not a solve for people who want to destroy you,

56:31 ranging from China to Russia to Iran to the Soviet Union to Nazi Germany.

56:37 And one more thing that I like,

56:39 we'll end on an upbeat note before we get to the subscriber member block.

56:44 Okay, so it is May the 4th, so May the 4th be with you.

56:48 As we who like Star Wars are fond of saying,

56:50 there is a brand new trailer for The Mandalorian and Grou,

56:54 which is one of the successful spin-off

56:56 properties under sort of the Kathleen Kennedy universe.

56:59 This is the Pedro Pascal series that is now being

57:03 made into a movie about Baby Yoda and the Mandalorian.

57:06 Here we go.

57:11 We've all heard stories of the Mandalorian bounty hunter and a child.

57:20 I only hunt Imperial War criminals.

57:22 I'll take out every bad guy in your deck of cards.

57:31 This isn't about revenge.

57:32 It's about preventing another war.

57:37 up and Okay, before going into harm's way, check your armor first.

57:46 We're protecting everything the rebellion fought for.

57:50 Good luck.

57:53 Okay, I'm into it.

57:56 What a horrible baby.

57:57 A bad baby.

57:59 Strap in.

57:59 I'll take my kids to watch this.

58:03 Listen, I'm a Star Wars fan,

58:07 so this this is a thing that I will check out for sure.

58:09 Okay, we don't have to watch the rest of it, but this is cool.

58:11 Okay, I'm into it.

58:12 I like it.

58:13 Okay, it's got the AT-ATs.

58:15 It's got the land speeders.

58:17 I'm there.

58:17 So, may the fourth be with you.

58:20 All righty.

58:20 The show continues for our members.

58:22 Right now, we're going to get into Zorn Manny

58:25 and his take on protesters clashing with ICE in New York.

58:29 Again, third worldism is a real thing.

58:30 It's happening inside the United States.

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