Victor Marx: The Man Who Weaponized Faith. | Candace Ep 329

0:00 All right, ladies and gentlemen, get locked in.

0:03 I have a good one for you.

0:04 I told you about this yesterday.

0:06 There's a lot to unpack and I think it could provide

0:10 a lot of answers to some lingering questions that we have.

0:13 I am very honored to welcome Corby Hall, the Candace Owens Show.

0:21 Well, all righty then.

0:26 That's how you do it.

0:27 that if you don't take the glasses off then

0:29 no one's going to no one's going to believe you.

0:31 People

0:32 need the glasses

0:32 so that people know you mean business.

0:35 Aren't we waiting on somebody?

0:36 No, we are not waiting on anybody.

0:38 He's not coming.

0:39 Victor does not want to sit across from you,

0:40 which I thought Victor Marks it would be a good idea

0:43 to have you all here because I can't contest anything he says.

0:47 I am not the fold AR uh company and I did not have these conversations with him.

0:53 Uh, but it's okay because I'm actually happy to have just you.

0:57 I do think that if he was here, he would dominate the conversation.

1:00 Um, everything that I learned about Victor Marks, I learned against my will.

1:04 I want my audience I want to be very

1:07 upfront about where I am at on this conversation,

1:09 why I was so drawn to your story.

1:11 Um, and why I believe they will be so drawn to your story.

1:13 I think uh we are at a very interesting place in America

1:18 where we know we are being sort of abused by the media.

1:23 Um we know that they're lying to us about everything.

1:27 There's for me the world before Charlie Kirk died and the world

1:31 after Charlie Kirk died and it seems like there's been an increase

1:34 in this sort of I don't know like tactic to uh make

1:39 us think that we're the crazy ones when nothing is making sense.

1:43 And when I read your story and learned about Victor Marx,

1:50 there were so many themes that were coming up here.

1:53 This idea of the pastor,

1:54 this idea of you can't question this because the Lord has willed this.

1:59 This is what we're all feeling right now,

2:00 like faith has been used to manipulate the masses

2:04 and actually to maybe cover up for evil.

2:06 So, I want you to know that when we have this conversation,

2:08 I will interject and put my opinion.

2:10 As always, it does not need to become your opinion.

2:13 Feel free to say, Candace, I don't believe that.

2:14 That sounds crazy.

2:16 That could be a conspiracy.

2:17 Um or say, "I plead the fifth." You could just say that you want to stay mom.

2:22 Yeah, sure.

2:22 Um but I wanted to give you a chance

2:24 because I know that Victor Marks has a following.

2:26 You do not.

2:26 And he has been instantly right out

2:29 of the gate saying that you are a crazy person,

2:32 which is one of their favorite tactics.

2:34 Everybody who disagrees with me is an insane person.

2:37 So, who actually are you?

2:40 Corby Hall.

2:41 Well, I own a company called Fold AR.

2:44 I've got the patent on the most compact uh AR-15 in the world.

2:50 And our mission is school resource officers.

2:53 And uh so it's it's been a long journey.

2:56 This isn't something that just popped up overnight.

2:59 You know, this has been a 20-year journey for me.

3:02 and uh you know we we've done really well in the market place for for the size

3:07 of the company and and um the amount of resources that were available to us.

3:13 You know I just got back from Ice Off.

3:15 So that was the big you know you've you've kind of made it.

3:19 Um jumping over that bar was was uh exhilarating to say the least.

3:24 And that special forces operators from around the world.

3:28 I I got to shake hands with a lot of IDF and and uh all

3:32 other kind of special forces came out and shot my weapon systems and loved it.

3:37 So, it was an honor.

3:39 You know, this is Old AR.

3:42 The brand itself has been here since 2018.

3:47 Okay.

3:46 And uh we're a small company out in the sticks, East Texas.

3:51 And um just a few employees and we make a few thousand rifles a year.

3:57 And uh yeah, it's uh you know,

4:00 it's it's the most compact, but it's also a caliber swap.

4:04 You know, push one pin, barrel system comes off, you can change your calibers,

4:08 your barrel links, push the pin back

4:10 in, and you're ready to go with another caliber.

4:13 And we're we're not going to tell people back at home how you

4:15 just had to slowly explain to me the very basic functions of a gun.

4:20 We're not going to tell them that.

4:21 No, let's not tell them.

4:22 I knew everything.

4:23 Yeah, he's knows it all.

4:25 I know it all.

4:26 So, I did just get a nice crash course.

4:29 It It's a very interesting product.

4:31 You could see um why you would have special forces interested in that product.

4:37 And something that I think jumped at my audience in general when

4:42 it came to the fold AR was the idea of a pastor.

4:46 I know now he says he's not a pastor,

4:47 but his website certainly did say he was a pastor at some point.

4:51 Uh being interested in this product.

4:54 So, I I'd just love to hear about how you met Victor Marx.

5:00 Well, uh, late November of 23,

5:05 my wife was showing me some of the Instagram post that he was making and he

5:11 was demoing compact weapon systems and it was like it was kind of framed around,

5:17 you know, Victor is looking for the most

5:20 versatile compact weapon system that's out there that um,

5:24 and I don't think he announced it as he was

5:26 looking for a signature series at the time, But uh nonetheless,

5:30 she had me message him and he responded right away

5:33 and invited us up to his house in Colorado Springs.

5:37 So we drove from East Texas to Colorado Springs

5:40 on uh I think December the 1st and um what year?

5:45 23.

5:48 Okay.

5:47 Yeah.

5:47 And so we got there and there was a there was quite a few people there.

5:53 There was I think there was probably around 20 15 to 20 people there.

5:57 some family, some friends, some security guys, and uh all really nice people.

6:03 Everybody's really kind to us and uh we got to meet

6:06 all of them individually and talk to all of them.

6:10 Um, so we went into the Dojo house where it's like a karate

6:17 mat and kind of wide open space and I was demonstrating it,

6:22 you know, pulling it out of a backpack and deploying it

6:24 and teaching some of the people that were there how to deploy it.

6:29 This sounds like a pretty big property.

6:31 It's not that big.

6:33 Um I would say I would say like four to five acres maybe.

6:40 Okay.

6:40 So 5 acre property.

6:41 Mhm.

6:41 Okay.

6:41 And but they're doing gun demos just in a studio where he does DOA did you say?

6:47 Yeah.

6:47 Yeah.

6:47 So just a studio area at first.

6:53 Okay.

6:52 And so we we did that for an hour and it was disc mostly

6:56 discussion of course and so we're not

6:58 deploying it and shooting it at that point.

7:00 But um you know any other people that were just people friends not

7:04 in the industry whatsoever just like local friends of theirs.

7:09 I don't know if they were all local.

7:11 Um but nonetheless everybody treated it.

7:14 Everybody was really nice.

7:16 Okay.

7:16 So, um, after that portion of it, we went out to the gun range, which was, uh,

7:24 just a 25 yard range that's that was at the back of the property,

7:29 and it had like tender framing around it, and it's kind of dug into the ground.

7:36 So they got to shoot right there and deploy

7:38 and and uh so everybody got their rounds and and we

7:44 got pictures and uh my wife got to shoot

7:48 the gun and with Victor and she was excited about that.

7:52 Got some pictures and anyways I you know I kind of stay back like I

7:56 don't put myself in the middle of everything and so I show everybody what to do.

8:01 Make sure everybody's safe.

8:02 We got you've got uh security type former military people there.

8:08 Everybody knows how to shoot a gun.

8:09 And so I'm just kind of sitting back at my vehicle which is parked at the back.

8:14 And and uh Victor comes up to me.

8:16 He's like first thing he said was you know not

8:20 the first thing of the whole meeting but first first thing he

8:22 said in this moment was you know I don't really meet

8:27 too many people that are at the pinnacle of their industry.

8:31 And to me, I don't take overt compliments very well.

8:39 Um, that was really the first time that anybody significant had

8:44 said anything like that to me cuz I'm still very small company,

8:49 almost invisible in the industry,

8:51 even though I'm well known in the in the industry,

8:54 but in the general marketplace, kind of invisible.

8:58 And so I When I heard that, I was like, "Okay,

9:03 at least somebody gets it." Like, I'm not trying to get a badge of honor here.

9:09 But that was that was nice to after 18 or 17 years of work at that point.

9:20 Wow.

9:18 And uh so he said, "Well, you know,

9:23 I've got some signature series that I'm looking at with uh

9:28 he named off a few different companies and you know,

9:31 bigger companies." Like, "Yeah,

9:33 but this one's the only one that makes sense." And for me,

9:38 I already know what my weapon system is.

9:42 So, validation doesn't really mean anything to me from other people,

9:49 but um it was again a reaffirmation that somebody gets it.

9:55 Mhm.

9:56 And we had already had conversations, you know,

9:59 back at the at the DOA house, whatever you call that, um,

10:04 about our mission with going on the backs

10:07 of school resource officers and and, uh,

10:10 well, it wasn't our mission at that point in time,

10:13 but it was brought up as a topic and and we

10:16 had sold quite a few to school resource officers, but again,

10:20 it wasn't it wasn't so much, you know,

10:26 our our mission wasn't established until we left

10:30 the Marxes and I'll walk you through that.

10:33 So, when we walked in, well,

10:38 so we get done with the shooting at the range and we've

10:42 already at this point we've been there for like four or five hours.

10:47 So they invite us into their house and it's uh it's getting dusk I suppose.

10:56 Um, and you know, Victor opens the door and my wife

11:01 goes in and as he's going in, he says,

11:04 "You know, everybody has been talking and we've noticed too.

11:08 Me and Eileen have noticed that, you know,

11:10 you and your wife just have a like a unique connection that is unusual.

11:19 Like you're finishing each other's sentences.

11:22 you're talking to multiple people and like automatically know where

11:28 the other one left off and you fill in the gap

11:31 and and the way you look at each other

11:33 and you know it just that was normal for us.

11:37 Like we we're already 3 years into the relationship

11:40 and we we had little thing where

11:43 we called you know twin flames and and uh you know it was natural to us.

11:49 And so we had this other thing, you know,

11:52 11-11 and not into all the angel numbers,

11:55 but you know, that was our thing, our our unique connection.

11:58 And, you know, he opens the door and he's and he's and he says,

12:02 you know, I feel the hand of God on y'all or or God's favor.

12:09 I feel God's favor on y'all.

12:12 and y'all are about I I you know he's telling me that y'all

12:15 are about to come into an abundance as we're walking into the house.

12:21 And so, you know, having worked in on this for so long up to that point,

12:27 there's been a lot of instances where people have told me like,

12:31 "Oh, this is about to take off.

12:32 You're about to make all this money and get

12:35 all this attention so many times over the years."

12:40 And so that was one of those moments where

12:44 inside it didn't sit well with me hearing that.

12:50 But on the outside it was like, okay,

12:54 maybe this is it cuz he already understands.

12:57 Like that's already clicked.

13:00 So that started off the entry to the house.

13:04 We go in, we sit down in the living room on the couch and um we're

13:09 just having casual conversation and talking about the history

13:14 of of what I've been through to make it this far and you know it's just

13:19 getting deeper and deeper and you know they ask

13:22 us about well first they're you know this is

13:24 when they make the comment about the connection.

13:27 you know, we're sitting there on the couch,

13:29 makes the comment about me and my wife's connection and says,

13:32 "Well, aren't y'all married?

13:35 Well, y'all, first it's are y'all believers?" Like,

13:39 yeah, yeah, we are believers.

13:41 You know, I got another coincidence.

13:44 You know, I accepted Christ when I was 16 and so did she.

13:48 And so answered that question and and then

13:54 it was then it was why aren't y'all married?

13:59 Like well I've been married a couple times before

14:03 or two and and it just wasn't a priority.

14:07 You know we're we get along great and I don't want marriage to ruin that, right?

14:14 but what we're not thinking scripturally about it.

14:19 And so this led into, you know, we're this is hours worth of conversation.

14:24 And um you know, this led into the Victor explaining what a retooling prayer is.

14:32 And I had never heard that term before.

14:35 And I grew up in a church.

14:37 Um, but I wasn't I wasn't heavily rooted in scripture at that point in time.

14:43 You know, we're talking December 23.

14:47 Um, so it didn't it didn't click with me that that that was uh,

14:54 you know, something to watch out for.

14:56 I'm just, you know, I'm excited we're here.

14:59 you know, this seems like it would it might be what I've been working for all

15:05 this time and all the stress and the lawsuits

15:08 and the marriages and and finally somebody understands.

15:11 So, you know, hey, let's do a ritual in prayer.

15:15 And and so he kind of explains it and and he's

15:19 asking Eileen a lot of questions about the process.

15:24 But to me it was like, well, why does he have to ask her how it goes,

15:31 you know, from component to component of how this ritual prayer goes?

15:35 But again, I just let it slide and and so we agree and uh it was

15:42 started off with with me and this this whole

15:46 process I think lasted maybe 15 minutes each.

15:51 When you say it started with me and you also used the word ritual,

15:56 uh what do you mean by that?

16:00 Um well, the retooling prayer, he was going to do it on me first.

16:06 Okay.

16:05 And then and then um so one by one and he's going to retool what?

16:12 A good question.

16:13 Yeah.

16:13 Okay.

16:14 We'll figure that out then.

16:15 Figure that out.

16:18 Yeah.

16:17 So, and of course I didn't memorize the whole process,

16:21 but recently I looked back on uh there was a podcast that they did in 21,

16:26 him and Eileen, where it described the process.

16:30 You know, I I kind of forgot what the process was after this thing,

16:33 but I looked back recently and, you know, it all started coming back.

16:37 I was like, "Oh, yeah, he did exactly that." And uh transcribed it out.

16:42 It was a podcast, verbal podcast,

16:44 but had it transcribed out and got to look through it in detail,

16:48 you know, piece by piece here just a few weeks ago, actually.

16:54 And um so as I was reading through it, it was, "Oh yeah, he did that.

16:59 He did that.

16:59 He did that." And so the first part was an opening prayer.

17:04 And I didn't memorize the whole opening prayer.

17:06 It's like five or six sentences long, you know,

17:09 30 seconds worth of opening prayer and it's using

17:14 name of Jesus and uh seemed seemed like a fairly

17:19 straightforward prayer except and again I didn't notice all

17:23 this stuff back then but except the whole circle of judgment.

17:28 So there's an opening prayer and he establishes a circle of judgment in the room

17:36 and um there's some other components to it but

17:41 and who who was in the circle of judgment?

17:43 Sorry to

17:44 It was it was just an imaginary bubble sphere so to so to speak.

17:50 That was just the terminology was

17:52 so he's kind of setting up this imaginary perimeter.

17:54 Yeah.

17:54 Around around the whole room like all of us.

17:57 Okay.

17:58 I mean within the circle no one is judged or we will be doing some judging.

18:02 That's what I mean.

18:05 That's my question.

18:06 Like you can tell me everything and no one's judging

18:08 or like we are going to enter in some judgments.

18:12 I think it was well looking back on on the transcript.

18:17 Yeah.

18:17 Which is helpful.

18:18 It it's judgment on the assigned demons.

18:23 Okay.

18:23 So he's judging the demons that he assumes are in you, not in that's a

18:32 yeah attached to attached to you.

18:34 Okay, sorry.

18:35 Yeah, correct anything.

18:35 I'm I'm I've not been

18:38 communication with a person who's doing retooling prayer.

18:41 So,

18:41 right.

18:41 So, here's the trick.

18:44 Um, believers can't be possessed by demons.

18:49 That's scripture.

18:50 And so when you have believers come come to this quasi exorcism,

19:00 you can't call it an exorcism.

19:02 So you have to reframe everything.

19:04 So possession now becomes assignment.

19:10 Okay?

19:10 So they're not in you, but they're attached to you.

19:14 Okay?

19:14 So in you that's scriptural.

19:17 A non-believer possessed inside you.

19:21 A believer can't be possessed inside but can be attached the outside.

19:29 And so if you've engaged in if you engage in a continuous sin like you have

19:35 invited a demon to walk alongside you I suppose.

19:41 Okay.

19:41 Okay.

19:42 I would have to consult a priest on that cuz I do

19:43 think that there are definitely ways that you can get possessed by demons.

19:48 Like there have been people I I don't know for sure.

19:51 So I'm I'm going to So but that helps me

19:53 understand I guess the context of how this is happening.

19:55 So he's saying there are demons that are attached to you.

19:57 I'm going to do this tooling prayer.

19:58 May I ask what is his authority to do that prayer?

20:03 Well um I don't know that answer and uh don't that's would be my first question.

20:07 If someone's like I'm gonna like get these demons

20:10 that are attached to you off of me.

20:11 I'd be like, "Oh, are you a priest?

20:13 Are you an exorcist?

20:14 Are you Did he say to you, "I am a a pastor?" A pastor.

20:18 Okay.

20:18 So, he's taken that since just so you know,

20:20 publicly he's no longer a pastor, but he definitively did.

20:23 We checked out on his website that he was a pastor.

20:28 Um,

20:26 well, I think um I guess I won't

20:30 represent this as something that I remember him saying,

20:33 but I think he believes that he's anointed by God as some type of apostle.

20:40 Okay.

20:41 So, um in any case, so this attached assigned demon

20:50 is going to get judged in this circle of judgment.

20:54 And so he asked he asked the subject me, you know,

21:01 I'm going to I'm going to ask you

21:04 a series of questions and you're just going to respond.

21:08 Mhm.

21:08 Whatever the first thing that comes to your head, just just say it.

21:10 Doesn't matter what it is.

21:12 Don't think about it.

21:13 Relax.

21:14 Just say whatever the first thing that comes to your mind.

21:19 And so he asked, he's commanding the demons at this point.

21:27 And he asked, you know, what demon what is?

21:32 Well, back up.

21:34 He asked how many demons are assigned.

21:37 and you just say a number.

21:39 And so that's the instruction that he's given me.

21:41 You know, I'm gonna ask how many demons are assigned to Corby.

21:45 And I don't remember exa the number it was either two or three.

21:50 And I just said the first number that came out um came to mind.

21:56 And then he asked the name of the first one.

21:59 So he was going to going to judge the first demon.

22:03 He knows now I say a name and I said and this was

22:10 this was recorded by the way and we were advised or suggested to record it.

22:18 And so my wife did record and um so I said,

22:26 "Oh, you're never going to believe what's popping in my head.

22:28 I just I just think it's something I've seen in a movie or something.

22:33 And Alen says, "Oh, well, you know that just just say whatever it is.

22:38 It doesn't matter.

22:39 Doesn't matter if it's they name off some whatever common names." And I said,

22:44 "Well, visible." And Eileen says, "You know,

22:50 that's actually pretty common." Like, "Oh,

22:54 okay." Um so proceeding from there he names Victor

23:03 names the demon by the name visible and um he

23:12 commands angels to come down and grab this demon

23:16 by the arms and make the demon kneel before him.

23:23 So if you can imagine angels coming down,

23:26 grabbing, forcing the demon to kneel before Victor.

23:35 Just pausing here for dramatic effect because

23:39 that is how I'm I am envisioning that Victor

23:42 Marx then believes that he has the capability

23:45 not just to command demons but to command angels.

23:51 And that's what he's telling you.

23:52 He He can Wow.

23:55 That is Sorry for interrupting,

23:58 but that is just that's the statement right there.

24:05 Yeah.

24:04 And also to be clear, I hadn't realized this.

24:07 I thought when you said you guys went

24:08 one by one that maybe Eileen's in another room,

24:12 but you guys were all in the room together.

24:13 This is a Yeah.

24:17 Okay.

24:15 Yeah.

24:15 And she and Eileen is is still kind of reminding him of the of the steps.

24:22 He knows what to say, but you know, it's just like, "Oh, no.

24:26 You do this step first." And then he'd be like, "Oh, yeah."

24:29 And which angel did he say?

24:32 Didn't say.

24:32 I don't remember him saying the names of the angels.

24:36 Okay.

24:38 Um, again, all recorded, so it'd be interesting to

24:42 figure out which angel he believes he's commanding.

24:44 Yeah.

24:46 So, this is just, you know, this is a scary story to me.

24:51 Like, I am like I don't even watch scary movies.

24:54 So, like I it's like a movie right now in my head

24:56 that I'm like I'm walking out of the theater right now.

24:59 I'm just going like, okay.

25:00 Like, I'm going to be honest with you.

25:02 This is this is terrifying to me.

25:05 like a a man that Yeah, that is that is something.

25:14 But this is the guy who understands me

25:17 and understands what I've been through and sees the value in what I'm doing.

25:23 Mhm.

25:24 They always come as your friends.

25:29 Sorry, Charlie.

25:33 Yeah, they always come as your friends.

25:34 So this demon being held by two angels, he makes some commands.

25:42 I don't remember what he said,

25:44 but he commanded one of the angels to cut the arm off the demon.

25:52 And then I I think commanded the other angel to cut off

25:56 the other arm or a leg or something dismemberment of the demon.

26:02 And um I you know I did you know I did skip I did skip a portion.

26:12 So before that yes before all of that dramatic

26:18 stuff there was another set of questions that was asked.

26:23 So after the demon's name, the next question that was asked was,

26:28 "What are the three lies that you've been telling

26:32 Corby?" And so this is where I started to get

26:39 in kind of a trance-like state and I was

26:42 staring straight at Victor and I wasn't blinking my eyes.

26:47 They're kind of watering up and uh stopped breathing not as a panic

26:52 but just I noticed that I just wasn't breathing for for a few seconds.

27:01 And so again, first thing that pops into your head and I said you're a fraud.

27:10 And then what's the second lie that you're

27:13 telling Corby and said your kids don't love you.

27:30 And the third lie, he'll never love you.

27:41 So that was uh the three lies.

27:44 First things that popped in my head and uh

27:50 so then after that set of questions was what is the one truth that God's trying

27:59 to tell Corby that you're blocking from him hearing?

28:05 And of course, it's you're not a fraud.

28:09 Your kids do love you and she's sitting right there

28:13 next to you and she's not going to leave you.

28:19 So then the dramatics with the chopping the thing,

28:22 the arms and the legs off and casting away and then onto the next demon.

28:27 What's the next demon's name?

28:30 And then the whole process started over.

28:33 And each in each process is he chopping off the arm of the demon.

28:38 Okay.

28:39 Hindsight is 2020.

28:42 Yeah.

28:41 Right.

28:41 Also not I I have the honor of sitting in this chair and I can like hear what's

28:47 happening with what I just know about psychology and stuff

28:51 and he you are telling him your deepest fears.

28:54 That's it.

28:55 Like there's nothing happening other than we're all self-conscious.

28:58 We constantly in our head are are saying things.

29:01 says, "Oh, this is not right." You know,

29:03 we're we in our normal capacity, we're our own worst critics,

29:07 and he's just commanded that out of you, and now now he knows your weak spots.

29:12 Yep.

29:14 Yeah.

29:14 Now, he knows he and and you at the end

29:16 of that, because you're you're doing this and these people are strangers,

29:21 um you've instantly established an emotional

29:23 connection with these people because you shared

29:25 with them something that you would not just share to a person that you met,

29:30 right?

29:30 So he is um I would almost say he's uh he's trained in that.

29:37 I don't think it he's uh being trained by a church in that.

29:41 I'll tell you that.

29:43 Right.

29:43 Oh, I I know now.

29:46 Because in just how the emotion of hearing that like

29:50 and I instantly know this is like these are your deepest fears.

29:52 That's it.

29:53 Like we all have them.

29:54 And you're talking about your kids.

29:55 You're talking about does this woman love me?

29:57 like I'm going into I think you said this is your third relationship, right?

30:01 That's going to obviously be a fear.

30:03 Um and he just now he's got the key.

30:10 Maybe he was summoning demons.

30:14 Maybe there was somebody in there that might

30:16 have been uh a little possessed or attached.

30:18 I don't I don't think it was you, but that's my opinion.

30:21 It's my podcast.

30:22 I can say my opinion whatever I want.

30:23 can I can I am so um you know there was one more the the next name

30:30 was Thomas and I don't remember what the the answers you know

30:36 the three lies um or the answers were for that one

30:41 but then the thing about it was it was like a compounding effect.

30:47 So every time, this is where it got really interesting.

30:53 Every time you would get done with a demon,

30:57 he would re ask the question of now, how many demons now, you know, each time?

31:04 And so after that second one, Thomas, I said zero.

31:07 We're done.

31:09 Um, no matter what number popped into my head, it was zero.

31:16 Uh, so it was getting kind of weird at that point.

31:18 I wanted it over with, but uh,

31:21 moved on to my wife and I'll just leave that one alone.

31:24 But, um, same process, same thing.

31:31 Yeah.

31:33 And what happened after?

31:37 Well, I remember him saying that doing this practice like drains his energy.

31:46 like he gets real worn out and almost like he's using up

31:51 energy in this process and I remember that being something that stuck out.

31:58 Um but after this whole process, so him and Eileen leave the room and you know,

32:11 we've we've talked about my my brief story.

32:14 You know, I I dove deeper than I ever have with anybody else already.

32:20 Mhm.

32:21 But they left the room and came back and told me about a dream or vision.

32:28 And I don't remember which one it was,

32:30 but it was a dream or a vision that Eileen had the night before.

32:35 And they were both telling the story kind of him

32:38 telling a piece and then her telling the piece.

32:40 And it was that Eileen had had this dream or vision that um

32:48 this was going to be related to a mission to protect kids and that it's,

32:59 you know, just so coincidental.

33:02 Well, not co coincidental at all,

33:04 but God ordained that we met and that I'm bringing this rifle

33:11 that is the best tool for the job on the backs of SRO's.

33:18 And in addition to that, you know what I what I think

33:25 to be partially true at least them going in and out of board zones,

33:31 combat zones or conflict zones to rescue women and children

33:36 and having these rifles on their backs will will uh benefit them.

33:42 So double whammy schools protecting students

33:48 and and saving women and children abroad.

33:55 And God ordained it.

33:56 What do you know?

33:57 Just the night before.

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36:58 There's there are so many connecting themes here

37:01 with just everything that I've been discussing on my podcast.

37:04 Obviously, just investigating this Charlie Kirk story and that brings

37:09 me back to this obvious relationship Eileen has with Erica.

37:16 And this is very similar.

37:18 You know, I was there when Charlie and her met and it's this, you know, godly.

37:22 It's all everything is godly.

37:23 It's all about this is what God wants.

37:25 And this is like, you know,

37:28 and how easily Charlie fell for that and believed that, okay,

37:33 yeah, this this woman is just so so godly.

37:37 And uh speaking to her exes, as I did,

37:40 and one of them telling me that she would say

37:42 she had like a vision or a dream of someone

37:44 that he was close to after he had opened up

37:47 that this person was close to him in his life,

37:49 particularly this ex-boyfriend was speaking about his grandfather.

37:51 And then she'd say that, "Oh, your grandfather visited me in a dream." So,

37:55 it's again establishing that connection.

37:58 There's there's a pattern here that I'm recognizing and I think

38:02 it's like I said been one of the major connecting themes

38:05 and just kind of looking into the story of sort of what

38:09 changed at Turning Point USA and the direction that it went into.

38:12 Um, I don't want to get ahead of myself there.

38:16 Um, so you've done this, you've established this connection,

38:20 you do believe to some degree that it must be godly.

38:23 You've now handed them the keys to your deepest insecurities,

38:28 right, about yourself.

38:30 And I'm sure it felt in equal parts like cathartic, right, getting that out.

38:36 You don't seem like the kind of person who

38:38 runs up and talks a lot to people and says,

38:40 "Hey, let me tell you my deepest, darkest secrets, right?" Um,

38:46 I'm pretty open to people that I feel see me.

38:55 Um, but in general, no, I'm pretty standoffish.

39:02 Right.

39:00 So, now the four of you are, you know, in this God vision, right, together.

39:11 I'm obviously saying that tongue and cheek.

39:14 What happens next?

39:16 So, we go home.

39:17 Uh, well, you know, I believe we had a hotel

39:21 that we were staying in, but we left the next day.

39:25 And, um, so this was again early December.

39:31 So, I get to work on the signature series, the Victor Marks signature series.

39:37 We run through a bunch of ideas on color schemes and features.

39:41 You know, what is suppressor, what backpack, you know,

39:45 all these how how is this rifle going to be presented?

39:50 It's got to be nice.

39:52 And so we we came up with something and it it was it was a pretty cool rifle.

39:56 But um I had it ready for Shot Show.

40:01 The Shot Show is the largest gun show in the in the country,

40:06 probably the world, but in the country annual.

40:10 It happens in Vegas every year and um sometimes late January, I think.

40:15 Sometimes it happened in some years it happens late February, but this year,

40:20 this year of 24 in January, it it happened in yeah, late January.

40:27 So, we're communicating back and forth and you know

40:31 this the color scheme and all the accessories have been

40:35 picked and we built a few units to be

40:37 able to present be able to give him a couple at the show and um you know he had

40:45 his FFL to federal firearms license and so we transferred

40:51 a couple to him at the show and had a few for um for our display in our booth.

41:00 And uh yeah, well, backing up just a little bit,

41:04 I I asked him well, I told him that uh you know,

41:08 I'm I'm going to ask my then girlfriend

41:12 to to marry me and uh in text before the show,

41:18 like what maybe 5 days before the show and uh can't

41:27 remember if he pro offered it or or if I asked him.

41:30 I think I asked him, you know, hey, you going to be there,

41:33 your pastor, you know, we let's let's get married.

41:38 30 minute ceremony, we'll be in and out quick.

41:40 He's like, oh yeah, yeah, we'll do that.

41:44 And uh so I had gotten a ring and it actually it had traveled

41:51 through five different four different continents

41:58 and arrived at our Airbnb in Vegas uh

42:02 the the night of the or the day the day of the wedding

42:08 and uh I was just dressed in like jeans and my work boots and just

42:14 a button-up shirt and she had a had a pretty treat cheap easy dress

42:20 that she got looked it looked beautiful but uh we we just like this was

42:26 a rush job and I actually hadn't even asked her to marry me like

42:33 oops wait so the day of the day of I asked her we were

42:38 just walking down the hallway and uh by you know by the way she

42:43 was my CEO of the company and she had been working there for at least

42:49 2 years by that point in time and just bang up job like

42:54 she's she's good and um so anyways asked her to marry me that day

43:03 we go up to Victor's hotel room we have some of our industry friends

43:08 attend with us and they got video and pictures and it was super special

43:13 for her because she just adored Victor and had followed him for many years

43:20 and the the ceremony was perfect and simple and just it was it was nice.

43:29 So, try not to get too sentimental here, but um you know,

43:36 we we read each other's vows to each other.

43:38 Victor was there.

43:39 He officiated it.

43:40 We had our marriage certificate that we ran

43:42 into the courthouse and grabbed real quick and you know we

43:46 got a picture of him signing it with us sitting

43:50 down behind him and we once we got the photo

43:57 op we walked to the other side of the room

44:00 and just mingling with our friends and looking over

44:03 and he's talking to Eileen and already know what's going

44:06 on like he's not certified to do this in Nevada.

44:16 I already know it.

44:19 And so, and so they're just talking it back and forth and he's

44:23 like trying to decide if he's going to sign it or not.

44:27 And so I'm like, "Hey, is it just because we're in Nevada?" He's like, "Yeah,

44:34 I don't I don't have license here because there's a block

44:37 on the form where you're going to put your license number."

44:41 And I was like, "Well, just it's fine.

44:43 Just sign it.

44:44 We'll go, you know, we'll go back to Texas and just

44:47 do our county county deal after this, but we'll we'll keep this.

44:52 Doesn't need a doesn't need a license on.

44:55 We're not going to file it here anyways.

44:57 So, no big deal, right?" um red flag.

45:02 But

45:02 does he have a license even in Colorado?

45:05 I don't know.

45:06 I don't know.

45:08 So that was that was that.

45:10 And um got done with shot show.

45:14 It was a great event.

45:15 Got a lot of videos, pictures.

45:17 Everybody was shaking hands and meeting Victor and meeting us.

45:23 And it was a it was a very nice shot show.

45:28 And normally I hate going to I've been to Shot Show every since 2012.

45:34 Hadn't missed a year and just absolutely hated it.

45:38 Just all the walking and hauling stuff around and having to be

45:43 here and there and unpacking stuff and the logistics is just nightmare.

45:46 But this one was pretty memorable.

45:48 This was this was nice.

45:51 So things are are looking good.

45:53 Mhm.

45:54 What is when is the first time I guess you

45:57 guys had any sort of a shift in that narrative?

46:02 Like a just we're all on the same page.

46:04 Here's what we're trying to do.

46:05 Here's what our goal is.

46:06 We've got your signature series.

46:08 Good-looking gun.

46:09 You're getting us married.

46:11 When's the first time you had a hiccup?

46:18 Well, I guess uh I'll get there.

46:24 So I'll just So

46:26 yeah, take me wherever you want.

46:27 Don't you know we could I want to get the full story.

46:36 He went on well, we had an opportunity pop up and I I believe

46:42 it was I believe it was March or Aprilish and Sebastian Gorka um had

46:52 me on once and um you know me and him had talked quite a few

47:00 times and and text message based and um he he loved the gun, right?

47:08 He's a gun guy.

47:10 And so me and him kind of connected and and uh he said,

47:15 "Okay, well, I'll see you guys signature series.

47:17 Victor, been trying to get him on my show forever and you know,

47:22 let's let's talk about this cool mission and let's get y'all on." So,

47:27 I did not want to go on.

47:30 Um I didn't want to be on video, can't you tell?

47:36 And uh then I texted Victor.

47:38 Hey Victor, Sebastian wants you to get on with him and talk about the full AR.

47:43 You've been trying to get you out.

47:44 You've been bugging me.

47:46 Like just go on with the dude.

47:48 My wife will be there to to support you through this.

47:51 And Victor's like, "Yeah, I do this all the time.

47:54 It ain't no problem." And tell us the genesis before we talk

47:58 about Victor and the very exciting plans you have for this weapon.

48:01 What is the genesis?

48:02 How did you get this idea?

48:05 Uh so our our inventor uh Corby he's my husband also

48:10 but he uh came out with the product about seven years ago

48:13 and um he came out with it because he was looking

48:17 for a way to get the AR to be more compact and uh

48:21 decided to take the barrel nut off and then when he figured

48:24 that out he figured that you could also fold it and after

48:27 a lot of testing and and a couple years of development you

48:31 know he made this a possibility What is your mission now, Victor?

48:36 Well, I'll tell you,

48:38 everyone knows that time in a critical

48:41 life and death situation makes the biggest difference.

48:44 And this weapon platform,

48:45 not only being an outstanding um high-end platform to shoot,

48:50 it is absolutely the best product in order

48:53 to engage a hostile threat in a school, bar none.

48:58 Uh and again with it being carried in a backpack uh

49:01 it keeps the level of anxiety down for students to watch.

49:05 So we know this is a lifesaver and what we want to do

49:10 is to be able to see every resource officer uh first starting

49:13 in the state of Texas uh have one of these and then it's

49:17 spreading throughout the United States so that our children will be made safe.

49:23 So Victor goes on and they talk about the fold they are a little bit.

49:27 I I think Sebastian asked her, you know, how did I think your lesser half,

49:32 he's the inventor and you know,

49:35 tell us how you came up with it and she spit off some stuff.

49:38 It was good.

49:39 But um then Victor came in and was talking about the all

49:45 things possible mission and said that um you know we're going

49:51 to make it a mission to get one of these full ARs

49:55 on the back of every SRO in the nation starting with Texas.

50:00 I was kind of oh I didn't think he was going to say that but yeah let's do this.

50:07 And uh that idea was to set up a 501c3

50:11 and figure out how to get donations coming in for schools,

50:16 particularly rural schools that don't have immediate access to SWAT teams

50:21 or uh or funding and and let's get these get these moving.

50:27 So that happened and it wasn't too long before we had

50:32 a school that needed five and didn't have the budget for it.

50:35 It was local to us.

50:38 And uh we built them up and we talked

50:42 to Victor about it to get that funded and there

50:45 was kind of some push back and you know I got to run this through the ATP board.

50:50 They didn't know that I was going to do that and they're

50:54 kind of worry about the whole gun thing and I'm going,

50:59 "Okay." Um, you do what you got to do, but I got five.

51:04 Mhm.

51:05 And it's and it's like I think it was either $13,000

51:09 or $15,000 and you know the suppressors and backpack and like

51:13 optics and all the stuff on it that they need

51:16 to just train and get ready and and go go deploy them.

51:22 And so he he eventually did, you know,

51:26 we we paid for them to build them up front.

51:30 And uh you know, we're not making a lot of guns every year anyway,

51:33 so funding that out of pocket is kind of a hit, but we did it.

51:39 And um he he did send a check to us and uh we got

51:46 the guns to to the high school or the ISD and they loved them.

51:52 We got some photo ops.

51:54 Victor didn't come for that, but we really wanted him to.

52:01 And so that was we delivered those in in the summer of 24.

52:09 And um that was the only that was the only one that Victor ATP purchased.

52:20 And my wife had created this fairly long list

52:26 of schools and they would fill out a template.

52:29 You know, we want the guns, we will use them,

52:33 and we don't have a budget for them andor we're located

52:37 in a in a area where there's not a quick access to first responders.

52:44 Mhm.

52:45 And if they checked the boxes off and put it

52:47 on their letter head and you know we would take it

52:50 in and and have it ready for ATP and um yeah

52:57 just never after summer of 24 there was no attempts for for

53:04 school resource officers.

53:06 Yeah.

53:06 In that context.

53:07 Yeah.

53:07 Right.

53:08 But there were requests for other guns.

53:14 And so so moving forward into into August, y'all jump to August.

53:25 Let's get into it.

53:26 H.

53:30 So, Victor messages me, says, "Hey,

53:32 I need a thousand yard capable um rifle that has

53:38 a scope on it and a camera attached to the scope." Like,

53:44 okay, I I can put that together.

53:47 I actually already have the components.

53:50 I don't have to buy anything.

53:52 and he needs me to deliver it to him pretty

53:55 quickly and says it's he tells me that it's for Well,

54:11 let let's just hold up there then.

54:14 So, I build this thing out.

54:18 It's got a proof research barrel on it.

54:20 is a carbon fiber precision barrel.

54:22 It's like $1,100 barrel uh and 223 16in barrel

54:29 with I had like a $5,000 scope on it.

54:34 Had had it for a while.

54:35 So, I was just like, you know, he he'll make better use of it than me.

54:40 You're just going to give him a $5,000 scope?

54:44 Yeah.

54:43 Okay.

54:44 and with a camera attached to it.

54:45 Like I literally had this already set up,

54:49 but I wasn't using I hadn't used it in a while.

54:52 So I take it up to Victor and um the conversation is

55:06 we want I want to and this is with me and him privately.

55:11 You know that's where you know the the meat of the conversations always come in.

55:18 He wants to blow the head off of somebody that sticks

55:21 their head up over the fence around this orphanage in Haiti.

55:26 And they have a tower in the middle of it.

55:28 Like some kind of watchtowwer because apparently there of the orphanage.

55:35 Yeah.

55:35 Of the orphanage.

55:37 Okay.

55:37 And you know, he's saying that people are jumping over the fence,

55:43 climbing over and trying to rob or or whatever the orphanage.

55:52 And so, you know, tell them, "Yeah,

55:56 I'm not going to leave it here if that's what you're doing." And you know,

56:03 we we had a conversation before about shooting watermelons,

56:08 a previous conversation about shooting watermelons at 1,000 yards.

56:14 But when I got there, you know, the conversation shifted.

56:16 Now we're in person.

56:18 And he wants to talk about shooting people.

56:23 Shooting people.

56:24 Yeah.

56:24 And I just want to back this up.

56:27 When he's initially, because we do have that message and we're going to show

56:30 that message when you guys were

56:31 initially having that conversation about shooting watermelons,

56:35 like did you think he was talking about watermelons or do you think

56:38 it could be code cuz you kind of know him a little bit now?

56:40 Look, he's like, "Hey, I'm just wondering if we could or were you thinking like,

56:43 no, he just really means like if we were to test it with the watermelon,

56:46 like what was your thought process when you were first

56:48 having the conversation via text about shooting watermelons from 1,000 yards?

56:54 Did you did you think that there might

56:55 have been some innuendo reading between the lines?

56:58 You thought he was shooting straight because he

56:59 had never made a weird request before this.

57:00 So you were like he just wants to know if Okay.

57:03 So then you're like he says let's have this conversation face to face.

57:07 And when you say you meet up this is in Colorado.

57:10 Yes.

57:10 Okay.

57:10 So that is does he have a place in Texas or are we always Colorado?

57:14 Uh yeah we always met in Colorado at his house

57:17 and just to get our timeline right.

57:18 This is August of 2024.

57:22 Correct.

57:23 Okay.

57:23 Mhm.

57:23 So now you're face to face and he's like actually

57:25 there's this orphanage and people are climbing over this fence

57:29 in the orphanage and there's happens to be a tower

57:32 in the middle and we just want to shoot these people.

57:34 We want to protect this or orphanage.

57:37 Yeah, because what are they doing at this orphanage?

57:38 Presumably stealing orphans, trafficking children.

57:42 I don't know.

57:43 He didn't say that explicitly.

57:44 Okay, fair enough.

57:46 So I say, you know, I'm not going to leave this.

57:49 This that's not what my rifle is for.

57:51 I mean for military guy I will sell my rifles to military

57:55 law enforcement and it's assumed that they may shoot people with them

58:00 right but in this context of a mercenary type operation

58:08 that doesn't have oversight no um

58:12 and did you wonder why he was doing that at all cuz

58:15 I mean I'm just he's a pastor he's doing a rout like I

58:18 I have a priest if my priest was suddenly like hey Candace

58:20 can I have some guns to go shoot an orphanage on mercenary mission.

58:23 I'd be like, "Oh, this is a new side of you.

58:26 Is he telling you like you've met armed forces guy at his property?" Like,

58:29 what is your are you shocked at even the proposition of him doing this or does

58:34 he kind of speak this way and tell you that he's connected and whatever?

58:39 Like, how are you processing that request?

58:44 Well, um I just simply said, "Yeah, I'm just not going to leave it here."

58:53 You're not processing it.

58:53 Just I'm not I'm not processing it.

58:55 I'm just again I'm happy that I'm there in person now.

58:59 We can talk about like I got this list of schools that are ready for guns.

59:05 Um and you know there's that that bond has been established.

59:10 Mhm.

59:11 He is my author, you know, spiritual authority figure.

59:15 I'm not to question, I am to do.

59:20 And I was there to deliver.

59:23 So, but you know, I told him, you know, well,

59:28 why don't you just like we were talking about, eat the watermelon.

59:32 Just do the watermelon.

59:34 Like, oh, oh, okay.

59:36 Well, like and and backing up.

59:40 So, shooting the head off of a person transpired into Well,

59:49 I'm going to go in and execute or capture Jimmy Barbecue.

59:58 Okay.

59:57 And the first time I've ever heard of this guy.

59:59 I don't know who he is.

1:00:00 I'm still like, "Yeah, no." Uh, again, back to the watermelons.

1:00:05 He's like, "Yeah, you just I said just put the watermelon up on the fence.

1:00:12 Shoot it.

1:00:13 Get your propaganda video." That's what the whole

1:00:16 thing was about was shooting somebody climbing over.

1:00:20 Got it on camera.

1:00:22 We can distribute it out in the Haiti land and they won't jump over anymore.

1:00:29 Like, like I see the good intention behind it, but yeah.

1:00:35 No.

1:00:36 And then, you know, transition transitioned into a little

1:00:39 bit more detail like maybe maybe if I tell him that it's to kill Jimmy Barbcue

1:00:45 who is causing all the ruckus in Haiti anyways, then then he'll agree.

1:00:53 Okay.

1:00:53 So, I do want to just take the second now to just show

1:00:56 a brief clip to my audience of the media context of who Jimmy Barbecue is.

1:01:01 Some people do know do not follow politics,

1:01:04 global politics and what we were told Jimmy barbecue

1:01:08 is and was during this time frame August 2024.

1:01:12 Take a listen.

1:01:14 Jimmy Charizia, universally referred to here as Barbecue,

1:01:17 is the head of one of the most powerful gangs in Porto Prince.

1:01:21 But he's also the head of a gang consortium that's brought Haiti to its knees.

1:01:27 Barbecue sees himself as a revolutionary for the people

1:01:30 and he rails against corrupt politicians and oligarchs.

1:01:34 He dismisses all the efforts underway here

1:01:36 to form a transitional council that will govern Haiti.

1:01:40 Inside his territory, despite the poverty,

1:01:42 life is relatively peaceful and organized.

1:01:46 Unlike in much of Porto Prince,

1:01:48 cues for food barbecue gets brought in are orderly.

1:01:51 Usually, it's chaos.

1:01:53 But here, people wait knowing that there

1:01:55 are enough supplies for the whole community.

1:01:58 And this is a source of barbecue strength.

1:02:01 To the outside world, he may be a gangster, but here he's a sort of Robin Hood.

1:02:06 Okay.

1:02:06 So, he's saying to you, I'm going to get this guy.

1:02:10 I'm going to capture or I'm going to kill.

1:02:13 You say, "Not with my weapon,

1:02:16 actually." And let's talk about school resource officers.

1:02:18 What happens next?

1:02:20 Well, you know, right after the Jimmy barbecue,

1:02:22 that's when I brought it back to the watermelons and he seemed to agree

1:02:26 um kind of reluctant annoy in an annoyed manner like why are you questioning me?

1:02:35 Maybe he was testing me.

1:02:36 I don't know.

1:02:37 I don't know what his intentions were.

1:02:38 I just know what was said to me.

1:02:41 So, I didn't have a concern at that point though because he's like, "Yeah,

1:02:46 we we'll do the we could do the watermelon." No, it's not a bad idea.

1:02:52 And so, uh, from there, I I left the gun with him.

1:02:56 And um you know there was no discussion about schools or maybe maybe there

1:03:03 was and it was just kind of like just nothing was yeah we're still

1:03:10 on board with the mission but you know I'm dealing with this and that and I

1:03:14 got this mission coming up and just never you know never went anywhere.

1:03:19 So yeah, we we left and um then there was a I know

1:03:27 there was another you know I skipped over a meeting I went in June.

1:03:34 Mhm.

1:03:33 That the June meeting is the one I don't really remember what I did.

1:03:37 I know I went alone.

1:03:39 Um but I don't remember.

1:03:41 I didn't deliver anything as far as I remember,

1:03:44 but um you know there was a June trip that I made and the August one I

1:03:49 do remember specifically uh there was text messages surrounding

1:03:54 it that that I was able to reference against.

1:03:58 Um so then in November then he comes to Texas to my facility

1:04:07 and um so the intent is that we're going to um tour the shop.

1:04:15 He had a he had a couple fly him down on their private plane and I picked

1:04:20 them up from the airport and we went to the shop and tooured the shop and um you

1:04:32 know during that tour pretty early on you

1:04:37 know he was there for probably four fourish hours

1:04:41 and um you know when we at when we

1:04:45 got alone on the shop floor in between the machines,

1:04:50 he's like, "Hey, you know, I I still I still got this Haiti stuff going on and I

1:04:56 need 50 guns uh to take and drop off in Haiti." And I said,

1:05:04 "Well, you know, that that's a embargo country.

1:05:08 So I I mean I've exported guns by this point to many different

1:05:13 countries and I know the process and it's not easy every time anytime really.

1:05:22 And I just knew that Haiti wasn't on that list on the approved export list.

1:05:27 So, I was like, "No, I I can't do that one because like Haiti is like the last

1:05:35 place they're going to let me export guns." Probably the last place.

1:05:41 And so, I said, you know,

1:05:44 I suggest you don't do that with any other firearms either.

1:05:48 Just I'm assuming that he just doesn't know the export laws.

1:05:53 Why am I assuming this?

1:05:55 I don't know.

1:05:57 But he's a high-risisk humanitarian abroad.

1:06:01 He's been to all these other countries, done operations in hindsight 2020.

1:06:06 Of course, he knew that you can't take guns and drop them off into Haiti.

1:06:11 Um, did you, and I'm sorry to cut you off here,

1:06:12 but I have a question about that.

1:06:14 The other countries he had visited, did he ever give you again the context?

1:06:17 Because I'm just going in my own point of reference.

1:06:20 My priest was like, "Yeah, and I did these high-risk humanitarian things.

1:06:24 What's your background?

1:06:25 How are you getting on these missions?

1:06:26 Who are you working for?

1:06:27 Did he ever give you that context or just Okay.

1:06:29 So, that might have been why I didn't really flag

1:06:31 you that he was going to Haiti because it was kind

1:06:33 of a part of something that you knew he had

1:06:35 done or he says he has done in many other countries.

1:06:38 Yeah.

1:06:38 And then, you know, there was already the visit before

1:06:42 that there was Haiti discussions and told me about the orphanage,

1:06:45 told me about Demi Barbecue and the

1:06:49 um you know, the gang violence that was around.

1:06:52 So, I kind of knew the context already.

1:06:54 It's just like, okay, well,

1:06:56 you're I've already told you no once and then you're bringing me something

1:07:03 that's even cuz you can I suppose if you have whatever license or approval,

1:07:13 State Department or whatever kind of approval it is where you can

1:07:18 go as a private citizen with your own gun and and get out,

1:07:23 do your saying and keep your gun on you.

1:07:25 I suppose that that's a legal thing.

1:07:28 I I would have to research that, but it seems

1:07:31 to be that that's a thing that is done commonly.

1:07:35 Um but leaving guns, I know that's you can't do that.

1:07:42 Not na.

1:07:43 Yeah, I think that's called weapons trafficking, but I'm not positive.

1:07:46 Yep.

1:07:47 So, told him no.

1:07:49 uh told him, you know,

1:07:50 don't don't be going to some other manufacturer and getting 50

1:07:55 and I'm trying to look out for you, pops, listen to me.

1:08:03 Um, so I also told them that um, you know,

1:08:11 if you if you place an order for 50 guns with my wife next week,

1:08:18 I'm not can't sell you the guns cuz I already know now.

1:08:24 So like, let's not talk about this anymore.

1:08:27 Like, okay, I'll figure it out.

1:08:30 What did he say he wanted to do

1:08:32 with the like who was he dropping those guns off for?

1:08:35 He didn't tell me that.

1:08:37 Okay.

1:08:37 All I All I was told it was for protection of the orphanet.

1:08:47 And you don't know what they're protecting?

1:08:50 I don't I don't know any details about it other

1:08:52 than I was told it was a 200 acre property.

1:08:56 I don't know if that's true or not.

1:08:58 Mhm.

1:08:59 I was told that there is a tower in the middle

1:09:01 of it and a a pretty tall fence around the perimeter of it.

1:09:07 Okay.

1:09:07 Wasn't told how many kids are there or who mans it.

1:09:11 Mhm.

1:09:13 Um yeah, just other than them needing a long range to make

1:09:18 a propaganda video and then the 50 to do I'm not sure.

1:09:23 Okay.

1:09:25 What happens next?

1:09:29 Well, that's not the most dramatic um or juicy portion of the story, but

1:09:38 mind me because I'm I'm taking some notes on what you're saying,

1:09:40 so I do have some questions I'm going to want to come back to, but go ahead.

1:09:43 Yeah, no problem.

1:09:46 Um, so there was not another meeting until

1:09:52 the final meeting which was in um early April.

1:10:02 Okay.

1:10:02 And so the context around this meeting was multifaceted.

1:10:08 Are we in Colorado?

1:10:09 Yeah, in Colorado.

1:10:11 and I would drive up there again and it was by myself.

1:10:15 The context around this meeting was like I said multifaceted.

1:10:21 It was issues between me and my spouse.

1:10:25 It was we were talking about biblical things um relationship.

1:10:34 I mean, he was he was mentoring me,

1:10:36 what I viewed to be mentoring at the time,

1:10:39 you know, during this whole relationship.

1:10:42 And things were starting to pile up and in April, you know,

1:10:46 so Trump got elected in November of 24 and um in the gun industry,

1:10:58 we have what's called the Trump slump.

1:11:00 Anytime a Republican is elected, then the demand for firearms goes down.

1:11:07 So things get pretty tough.

1:11:09 You have to pivot as a as a manufacturer to survive in that environment.

1:11:14 And we didn't have the resources to pivot.

1:11:18 And it was it was getting tough.

1:11:20 Um yeah, actually I I forget, you know,

1:11:23 we went to Shot Show again in January of 25.

1:11:28 Mhm.

1:11:28 And uh that that could have possibly been a February year,

1:11:31 but I believe it was January 25.

1:11:36 And you know, so it's our anniversary.

1:11:39 You know, it it was pretty rough cuz uh sales were already going down.

1:11:47 And um and just to be just to be honest,

1:11:54 I was I was struggling with um substance abuse with with THC,

1:12:03 smoking pot.

1:12:05 Uh gummies or vapes?

1:12:09 Okay.

1:12:10 Yep.

1:12:09 How often?

1:12:10 Like just like kind of living high like

1:12:12 No.

1:12:13 Uh well, yeah, daily.

1:12:14 But yeah, gummies.

1:12:16 Popping gummies and Okay.

1:12:20 Any other stronger substances?

1:12:23 Yeah.

1:12:23 Okay.

1:12:23 Are you drinking too?

1:12:25 No, not drinking.

1:12:26 Okay.

1:12:27 So, you're THC?

1:12:29 Yeah.

1:12:30 That's, you know, I'd done that since 2020.

1:12:35 Mhm.

1:12:35 I think you sent me a thing and like you and your wife both smoked pot.

1:12:39 Like you were both THC users, so to speak.

1:12:43 I guess we'll focus more on you, but I'm just saying that like this was

1:12:45 something that was already known to the Markx family.

1:12:48 I think Oh, yeah.

1:12:49 That's what I'm asking morely.

1:12:53 Yeah.

1:12:52 Yeah.

1:12:53 And uh you know, anxiety issues with the past.

1:12:56 I didn't want to get on any SS SSRI or anything like that again.

1:13:01 and and weed as long as I moderated it.

1:13:04 It was it was uh it was a it was a pretty good um

1:13:11 regulator of anxiety for me so long as I didn't go overboard with it.

1:13:16 But it became, you know, one of those dependency things.

1:13:20 You just got to have a little bit more,

1:13:22 a little bit more, and then you get kind of dependent on it.

1:13:26 And um but now I had needed to pivot you know

1:13:33 2024 the end of 2024 uh early 2025 we needed to pivot

1:13:39 and I wasn't able to do it like I was functionally

1:13:44 decline and you know they weren't the ATP thing wasn't helping

1:13:52 you know the signature series we did sell some of them but it wasn't you know,

1:13:57 it wasn't um just like skyrocketing business or anything.

1:14:02 So, you now got the added like financial pressure, which is what causes Yeah.

1:14:06 Yeah.

1:14:07 Y Mhm.

1:14:08 And so, and interestingly enough, with my wife's involvement,

1:14:14 the prior 3 years, we made the Inc.

1:14:16 5000 list in 25.

1:14:19 Although like it was just we got the notice in she had worked so hard on it

1:14:25 and uh you know with her in the CEO

1:14:29 P position we had increased our revenue by 350%.

1:14:36 Wow.

1:14:34 In the prior 3 years.

1:14:36 So he earned608 position in the country

1:14:42 and 60th fastest manufacturer and first in the region

1:14:49 fastest growing company in the region while

1:14:52 we're like oh man we're we're tanking fast.

1:14:56 How are we going to keep the lights on?

1:14:58 Yeah.

1:14:59 Yeah.

1:14:59 Yeah.

1:14:59 So, um, yes, this is all this is all building up on me

1:15:02 and and I'm again going back to Victor for and and one of his guys,

1:15:08 Chaz, for any kind of support,

1:15:13 you know, more so like help me figure out number one,

1:15:21 I'm ready to get off of THC because I got to make

1:15:24 this pivot and I've got to like bring my high functioning self back.

1:15:31 Mhm.

1:15:31 And there wasn't there wasn't any help there.

1:15:34 You know, maybe a couple nudges here and there, but uh you know,

1:15:39 and there's a there's a text message history that I've gone through recently,

1:15:44 and it it makes sense now.

1:15:47 Every all of it makes sense.

1:15:51 But

1:15:51 a text message chain between you and Victor

1:15:53 and Chaz and Chaz who is just so my audience is aware Chaz is the his COO

1:16:01 COO Victor marks the COO of all things possible.

1:16:03 Right.

1:16:03 Right.

1:16:05 Okay.

1:16:05 And what is it about that text chain that makes sense?

1:16:07 Cuz I I you've mentioned it so I think we want to

1:16:11 like in retro hindsight is 2020 but what what element makes sense?

1:16:15 Like you're looking at this message you're going aha what?

1:16:20 Well, there was a point in there and I don't remember which month it was,

1:16:24 but um you know there I was in a suicide crisis

1:16:30 for a moment and you know my message to the Victor was hey

1:16:36 I'm I'm in the parking lot of Walmart and you know I had

1:16:42 bought this life insurance policy like seven years prior and I shopped around

1:16:48 for one that had a suicide allowance in it uh for that specific reason.

1:16:59 Mhm.

1:16:58 And um and I knew, you know, I was sitting in that parking lot.

1:17:03 I was crying and and uh said,

1:17:10 "God's telling me that if I do this, he's not going to take me." So,

1:17:19 you know, Victor's response is, "Well, of course, don't do that.

1:17:26 You know, the lawyers, they'll always find a loophole." Okay.

1:17:32 And the next message is, "Well, I can just have you disappeared.

1:17:38 I can have you knocked off.

1:17:41 I can have you knocked off or disappeared

1:17:45 to a banana plantation in South America.

1:17:52 So, you're in the parking lot.

1:17:54 You've said that you're going through the suicide

1:17:56 crisis and that's what he comes back with.

1:17:58 And this is supposed to be your minister, pastor, spiritual director.

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1:20:30 And the reason why I I'm encouraging you to talk

1:20:32 about this is cuz he will use this against you.

1:20:35 And I also just want to say to you like you shouldn't feel weird about that.

1:20:41 That's the number one reason that men commit suicide.

1:20:43 This is why men have a higher suicide rate than women.

1:20:45 the financial pressure,

1:20:46 the stress of finances is like there are going to be

1:20:51 so many men watching this that can relate to that.

1:20:53 Um, and so when you kind of keep

1:20:55 that inside and like I'm sure like I feel ashamed,

1:20:58 you know, like all that stuff.

1:20:59 It's this is I feel like why he was

1:21:02 able to manipulate you and why he's so like well

1:21:05 he's got mental health issues and first off knowing

1:21:07 that this man is supposed to be your spiritual spiritual director.

1:21:10 Like mine's obviously my priest in London.

1:21:13 I couldn't imagine my priests going on an Instagram

1:21:17 live no matter what happens like you know if I

1:21:19 leave the Catholic church and and I become the edye

1:21:22 of the Catholic church there is something that is

1:21:26 so violating about him coming out and saying like

1:21:31 my like you're you're actually going to who you're supposed

1:21:34 to go to right and obviously you're you're Protestant so

1:21:39 you're thinking this guy is telling me he's a pastor

1:21:42 he married me like this is the person when

1:21:44 I am thinking I want to kill myself that I

1:21:47 should be able to lock this into a box

1:21:49 and he's going to talk me through this and remind

1:21:51 me that financial pressure comes and goes like I

1:21:55 remember being having $9 in my bank account and like

1:21:58 sleeping in my car the feeling of that financial anxiety

1:22:02 and what that can do it can be so crippling and he's just using that against you

1:22:07 and with knowledge that that I was on THC I was very open about it and

1:22:13 and asking for help for help.

1:22:17 Um,

1:22:16 so this becomes sort of this entry point

1:22:18 of how he's just on the radio right now like,

1:22:21 well, he's got mental health issues and well,

1:22:23 you know, try being broke and trying to figure everything out

1:22:25 and I think everybody develops a little bit of a mental health issue, right?

1:22:29 So, I just wanted to just give you

1:22:32 to know that that's not something that you he shouldn't have made

1:22:34 you feel about that the way he made you feel about it.

1:22:37 I guess in his mind he was joking,

1:22:39 but looking back at the total totality of circumstances.

1:22:44 There was it was something else going on there.

1:22:49 And um he didn't call you.

1:22:50 I mean, I would just think that like if somebody texted me and said, "Hey,

1:22:52 I'm in a parking lot and like I'm thinking

1:22:54 about killing myself." My instinct would be to call.

1:22:58 Yeah.

1:22:57 Not send a text.

1:22:58 And and you know I just just go to say though that you know

1:23:06 I was being told that you you can't do this because God won't take you.

1:23:16 So, I'm telling him at the same time,

1:23:17 these are thoughts going through my head, but I'm not going to do it because,

1:23:23 you know, it's not it's not going to work out well for me,

1:23:27 if you know what I mean.

1:23:29 Um, but yeah, the response was he he didn't

1:23:34 call and the response was looking back on it, it was manipulative.

1:23:42 Uh now for the record after having studied scripture as much

1:23:48 as I have since this time period forward um I'm not suicidal.

1:23:57 Put that on the record.

1:24:00 And I will not kill myself and I'm I'm not having suicidal thought.

1:24:05 So clear that you were having a low moment.

1:24:09 Yep.

1:24:10 Yeah.

1:24:10 And looking for a friend or a spiritual director.

1:24:15 Yeah.

1:24:14 A lot going on, you know, and and I'm off substances, you know.

1:24:19 I I was able to I did get off a month before.

1:24:23 So, in February, I stopped THC in February of 25.

1:24:31 Mhm.

1:24:29 That's a year and a few months ago.

1:24:33 And um it took a while to to detox from that.

1:24:39 But yeah, it I returned to my normal high functioning self.

1:24:46 I would say it took probably 9 months to fully come back.

1:24:53 So, skipping over a bunch of of time there, you know,

1:24:56 there was um there was a visit coming up in April,

1:25:03 you know, so this was still compounding, got rid of the THC in Februaryish,

1:25:11 but withdrawals are starting up leading up to April.

1:25:17 And um I'm still, you know, I'm having issues during this withdrawal cycle.

1:25:25 And I tell Victor that, you know, I'm I'm separating from my wife.

1:25:31 Financial issues, marital issues kind of tends to be tends to go hand in hand.

1:25:36 I think it's the number one reason for divorce.

1:25:38 Yeah.

1:25:38 Yeah, it is.

1:25:40 At least in my experience.

1:25:41 But you've got a little bit of experience.

1:25:45 Got a little bit.

1:25:47 So, so he says, you know, I'll fly you up here.

1:25:52 Um, and you know, I don't I don't fly up there.

1:25:57 Won't don't fly uh very much at all.

1:26:02 So I I drove up there and um you know when when

1:26:13 I arrive and I guess let me fill in the the gap here.

1:26:20 So again, spiritual mentor relationship.

1:26:24 Um at this point I'm off THC.

1:26:28 I'm in the Bible just studying the heck out of it.

1:26:33 At the same time, I'm supposed to be pivoting my business

1:26:37 to figure out how to survive in this new market.

1:26:43 And um a lot going on.

1:26:47 And as I'm doing more research in the Bible,

1:26:52 I'm also um seeing things that don't look right.

1:27:00 And so, and I'm particularly interested

1:27:05 in at this time in deceptive Christianity.

1:27:10 And so I come across some what I consider to be

1:27:16 false spiritual leaders in the in the Christian quote unquote movement.

1:27:24 And I'm telling Victor about what I'm finding.

1:27:29 And uh you know he wants me to talk to Chaz about those things.

1:27:34 So I'm talking to Chaz too and and sending them what I'm finding.

1:27:38 And to them, I look like I'm kind of in a panic mode of of discovery.

1:27:48 And they're not really responsive,

1:27:50 but they're just in their mind they're like, "Okay,

1:27:52 Corby's going through all this stress and he's talking about separating

1:27:57 from his wife and he's coming off a THC and, you know,

1:28:03 we'll we just need him here." And so, you know, I get there, Colorado Springs,

1:28:12 show up at the hotel and pretty late at night and um they

1:28:19 meet me at the hotel and we sit down at the at one

1:28:23 of the dining tables and uh I noticed they got bulletproof vests on and once

1:28:31 we sat down like tapped on Victor's chest where it was And he's like,

1:28:37 "Yeah, we just got these in and I'm breaking them in." I was like, "Oh, cool.

1:28:43 It's like it's flexible." And he like kind of shakes it around.

1:28:48 He's like, "Yeah, this thing is a little bit stiff right now,

1:28:51 but you know, it's it's a really nice vest." Like, okay.

1:28:57 Not thinking anything.

1:28:58 Like, I'm not thinking, "Well, we'll get there, I guess.

1:29:05 So they can tell I'm just like worn out.

1:29:10 I'm drained.

1:29:12 And um they Victor says, "Well, you know,

1:29:15 it kind of tells me what what we're going to do the next

1:29:18 day and says that we're going to do another retooling prayer." And I said,

1:29:29 "I was respectful." And I looked at I was like,

1:29:34 "No, not doing another retooling prayer." Like,

1:29:38 I've I've figured out how to get rid of my own sin.

1:29:44 And so, if I was to just keep coming back to you for deliverance,

1:29:52 then that would be me making an idol of you, and that would be worshiping you.

1:30:01 And I could see the grin on his face like he was annoyed,

1:30:07 but it was concealed enough that he just he brushed it off.

1:30:13 Didn't snap back or anything.

1:30:15 Didn't didn't say any kind of snarky comment back and he just took it.

1:30:24 And um so then he was telling me about what they

1:30:29 were doing that day and it was some kind of big event.

1:30:34 I didn't look it up, but what I heard was there was 3,500 men there

1:30:40 and they had it was kind of like um some kind

1:30:47 of spiritual manly machoess of of learning how to be warriors

1:30:54 for Christ or warriors for God or something like that and men's retreat.

1:31:00 Yeah.

1:31:00 Yeah.

1:31:02 Were they all veterans?

1:31:03 Do you know?

1:31:05 I'm not sure.

1:31:06 I was Yeah, I'm not sure.

1:31:11 But um nonetheless, he told me about a board meeting.

1:31:15 Well, he was he was talking to Chaz really, but you know, sitting right there.

1:31:22 And uh he he told me about some of the people that were in this board meeting.

1:31:28 Perhaps it was like part all in and part in person,

1:31:33 but he was telling me some of the people that were part of this.

1:31:39 And the name that come up was Lance Wall now and uh Rex Crane.

1:31:48 And you know, those are two people that I had already seen

1:31:53 and discovered that they were part

1:31:56 of this prosperity gospel um ultra charismatic type movement.

1:32:10 NARS NARS new apostolic reformation.

1:32:13 It's come up in my research about Yeah.

1:32:15 Yeah.

1:32:18 Yeah.

1:32:17 So again, I'm thinking, you know, hey,

1:32:20 I'm going to do this dude a favor and kind of point these things out to him,

1:32:25 these, you know, the doctrine that these people are preaching,

1:32:28 like I'm doing Victor a favor.

1:32:32 And so I'm at the hotel.

1:32:35 I'm at I'm in my room at that point.

1:32:37 Chaz is down down the hallway from me.

1:32:41 And uh you know, I'm sending Chaz all this stuff.

1:32:45 Chaz, look at this guy.

1:32:46 Look what he's teaching.

1:32:48 Seven Mountain Mandate.

1:32:50 Like what?

1:32:51 We are not here to to make the world suitable for Jesus Christ to return.

1:32:59 Like that that's not how it goes.

1:33:03 Um taking over pillars of society.

1:33:08 Are you kidding me?

1:33:10 like what are y'all doing in organizations with these people?

1:33:16 And um so basically no responses.

1:33:23 Yeah.

1:33:22 You kicked you kicked the hornets with that one.

1:33:24 Kicked it real good.

1:33:26 Yeah, I did.

1:33:28 Little did you know.

1:33:30 Little very little.

1:33:34 So I go to Victor's the next day.

1:33:37 Okay, I'm not doing any retooling prayer.

1:33:41 Um, so we're going to basically do a detox regiment

1:33:46 and um walk around his track and you know talk

1:33:53 about all the things that I've been wanting to talk

1:33:56 about and he wasn't really wanting to hear any of it.

1:34:01 So you know we would just kind of shift from subject to subject.

1:34:05 We would talk about end times prophecy and we'd talk about um marriage.

1:34:14 Um and it's not to say that all of that advice that he gave me was bad.

1:34:20 It wasn't.

1:34:21 And it was it was a mixture.

1:34:23 It was a mixture of good advice and like what are you thinking?

1:34:28 Like we're still talking about guns to Haiti.

1:34:34 You brought it up again.

1:34:36 No, I was just being facicious, but it was it was like that.

1:34:40 It was

1:34:40 it was always, okay, what's my next mission?

1:34:43 you know, when can we get some more guns or well,

1:34:52 the bigger topic was selling the business or getting an investor,

1:34:56 you know, and and actually, you know,

1:34:58 backing up probably back in December, we had talked about, hey,

1:35:03 we need an investor or we need to sell

1:35:04 the business cuz this is it was probably January actually.

1:35:10 So, we need to sell the business.

1:35:12 you know, I'm having the suicidal issue.

1:35:14 I'm having the this and the that issue.

1:35:16 And hey, this is time for me to to move along and figure something else out.

1:35:22 Let's get somebody to invest or or take it over.

1:35:29 And so we had built up a investment package and emailed financials and Victor

1:35:36 said that he had people looking at it and um you know like

1:35:41 a $20 million valuation for the business and patent and you know I

1:35:47 was all about it you know just it and like X for a bit.

1:35:55 I mean, this has been almost 19 years of craziness,

1:36:02 you know, just to just to tell you, Candace,

1:36:06 this story with Victor is not even the craziest

1:36:09 thing that's happened in my life related to this business.

1:36:14 It's not, but it's right on up there.

1:36:19 Um, so yeah, I'm there for, hey, let's talk about the business, too.

1:36:24 I got all this other stuff I want to talk about, but we got four days here.

1:36:28 I ended up saying three.

1:36:32 Mhm.

1:36:31 Did not stay the fourth day, but uh we're talking about everything.

1:36:37 And um so as we're going with this conversation, well, this first day was detox.

1:36:45 Like I said, he put me in this sauna

1:36:48 that had like this light thing frequency thing and it had all these colors on it

1:36:56 and it was already clicking like everything's clicking for me.

1:36:59 I'm recognizing stuff at this point and I look at it and it's like got all

1:37:03 these frequencies that you can select or healing

1:37:06 certain issues with the body or mental or whatever.

1:37:10 And it's a sauna.

1:37:11 You just get in it and turn to the light

1:37:13 frequency you want and sit in there for a while.

1:37:17 In my mind, I'm going like, dang, that's new age.

1:37:22 Like, light frequency is the hill.

1:37:26 Like, why why are we doing this?

1:37:30 Things are starting to click a little bit more.

1:37:32 A little bit more.

1:37:35 Anyways, I get in it.

1:37:36 Whatever.

1:37:36 I'm trying not to be rude.

1:37:38 I'm just trying to survive this trip.

1:37:44 And so we um I do that, we do some exercises, we walk, we talk.

1:37:52 Um Victor goes and does some other stuff on the property.

1:37:57 And I think he left the property a couple times and left me with and bodyguard

1:38:03 was there the whole time like within a few paces of me if we were walking.

1:38:08 He was walking behind us and um everybody has their bulletproof vest on.

1:38:14 I don't see Eileen anywhere the whole time.

1:38:19 And um so the the third day is where

1:38:28 most of the weirdness starts coming in and showing itself.

1:38:34 And so third day we're we're walking around the track and he's

1:38:37 telling me that uh we're talking about business at this point.

1:38:43 And um he tells me that well Sigau is going to be involved in this acquisition.

1:38:54 But he didn't want to say details like okay well

1:38:57 you know they're a big company they can afford it.

1:38:59 It probably be a good technology for them and um I know that they're

1:39:03 in law enforcement so they'd be down with the school resource officer mission.

1:39:08 you know, surely, you know, that was a condition was,

1:39:11 hey, SRO's, you got to be committed to that.

1:39:15 Um, and then, you know, enough money to where not that we didn't have to work,

1:39:21 but that we wouldn't have to run that run the business

1:39:27 um and we would have breathing space to not have to work,

1:39:32 you know, a regular job if we didn't want to.

1:39:35 and not necessarily the first of our life but just like good breathing space

1:39:40 that was the conditions which is kind of wide open right

1:39:45 and um so he tells me that 6 hours involved he tells me

1:39:51 that Daniel her got one of my full ARs and who's the top

1:39:55 shooter in the world that shoots for SIG he got a full Dr.

1:40:00 David the thumbs up uh to Victor who

1:40:03 Victor represented had a personal relationship with him.

1:40:07 Um and uh so like everything's falling into place and I'm

1:40:14 kind of you know this this could be a good thing.

1:40:17 And then Victor tells me what he really wants to do.

1:40:22 I was like, tells me, you know,

1:40:26 51% and we could only come up with a valuation of 2 million.

1:40:33 And

1:40:34 this is so crazy,

1:40:35 you know, just uh for transparency, I put $2 million into it at the start.

1:40:44 It's just it's just a it's mindboggling that he would even try it.

1:40:46 But

1:40:48 yeah, he he must really think that you were under his spell.

1:40:50 Well, I I well, I was coming out of it.

1:40:56 Mhm.

1:40:56 Um, and really it could be said that I'm not fully out of it even today.

1:41:00 Um, but yeah, 2 million valuation and he wanted 51% which meant that he was

1:41:07 going to put a little over a million in and take control of the company.

1:41:12 And I said, "Well, you know,

1:41:15 the the the money really isn't the biggest that's it is big issue,

1:41:20 but like the money isn't the biggest issue.

1:41:25 It is the 51% and you're wanting the patent." I didn't say no, though.

1:41:37 Didn't say no.

1:41:39 Um, so my response was, "Well,

1:41:43 you're too busy." And um he said well yeah I am busy

1:41:52 but you know with my connections and this and that that you'll be able

1:41:59 to manufacture without so much stress and you know we'll we'll be behind

1:42:07 you for for funding essentially but you

1:42:10 know not really disclosing what that meant.

1:42:15 So, I've been down this road before.

1:42:17 Um, so again, I didn't reject it and we went

1:42:22 for another walk and so we just continued talking about it.

1:42:27 I remember one thing, you know, what I was wanting to do and me and my wife

1:42:32 were wanting to do was be a part of the actual mission.

1:42:35 Like we in our minds we were thinking

1:42:38 if we're not working the company non-stop then

1:42:43 we want to be part of the mission the ATP mission like where do we fit in?

1:42:50 And they said well your wife you know that that's an easy you know we got

1:42:57 orphanages like it would be perfect

1:42:59 for her but for you like you're just such an outlier.

1:43:05 I don't really know.

1:43:06 Not saying you don't fit anywhere.

1:43:07 It's just like I could would have to figure that out.

1:43:11 Like, okay, well, keep talking then.

1:43:14 And so, we're walking around the track up

1:43:17 at the top where there's this camera tower.

1:43:21 And um you know, we're walking and he's saying, "Well, Israel,

1:43:27 Israel need your guns." And that's you know, that's when he stops walking.

1:43:33 I stop and then he tells the he tells

1:43:38 the bodyguard to step back a few paces and um

1:43:45 you know I stop and I'm I'm looking at him

1:43:47 and I say well yeah that you know that they

1:43:50 have 3700 they're going to put a IDF guy

1:43:53 in each of the schools and he he's looking at me

1:43:57 he says no they need 50,000 for the IDF

1:44:02 for oper operations in Gaza and um Lebanon and Syria.

1:44:09 So, I'm just at this point like it's too many

1:44:12 too many red flags for me and I'm just staring

1:44:15 at him and he's staring back and um he finally

1:44:24 starts walking again after 15 or so seconds and he says,

1:44:29 "You know, that's why I'm not ever engaging in scripture

1:44:32 with you." And I I walk start walking along with him.

1:44:37 And I'm just wondering in my head like why

1:44:40 that that scripture got to do with with guns, the IDF.

1:44:51 And and I'm not against the IDF.

1:44:58 It's just what you're saying is that all the guns have to go to the like what

1:45:06 what about the school miss like we agreed

1:45:09 that this rifle is designed to protect kids in schools.

1:45:14 So if 50,000 are going like who's going to make those?

1:45:17 How long is it going to take?

1:45:19 And like how are we going to get guns on the back of SRO's here?

1:45:24 all going on in my head and just confused about the whole situation.

1:45:30 Like where where did this get so far off track?

1:45:36 And so again, like that was the moment that that I was done,

1:45:42 but I didn't say it.

1:45:45 And so, um, you know, we're walking around and I just Yeah,

1:46:00 it's just uh it's a blur at that point.

1:46:04 I don't even know how Oh, I don't know how I I left.

1:46:10 And

1:46:12 this is also when he says to you, I think that I could not I could beat you up.

1:46:17 I mean, what he admitted to he he did say I Oh, yeah.

1:46:20 My goodness.

1:46:21 The big part that Good grief.

1:46:27 Yeah.

1:46:26 Yeah.

1:46:26 So, the 3,700 gun I said 3,700 schools.

1:46:31 Yeah, that's that's great.

1:46:33 3,700 schools in in Israel.

1:46:36 Um then he says no.

1:46:39 um 50,000 guns and uh and the idea

1:46:43 for the operations and Gaza of Lebanon and and Syria

1:46:49 and that's you know our stare off and he

1:46:53 says you know I could whoop your ass and there

1:46:56 ain't nothing you could do about it and uh

1:47:00 inside I'm kind of laughing but I'm keeping

1:47:03 a face a straight face and and not doing

1:47:06 it like I made sure to keep looking at him,

1:47:12 right?

1:47:12 And and uh that's when he said, you know,

1:47:15 we're that's why I'm never engaging in scripture with you.

1:47:21 Yeah.

1:47:23 Yeah.

1:47:22 That was Yeah.

1:47:25 Like like 10 things are happening in this sequence and it's just shocking.

1:47:29 And you know, thinking back of it, like why did we stop right under the camera,

1:47:35 right?

1:47:35 Like was he trying to get me to come at him or or what?

1:47:42 I think the whole weekend was kind of designed to intimidate you.

1:47:44 I mean from wearing they're all wearing bulletproof.

1:47:48 Why?

1:47:48 You know him.

1:47:49 He's supposed to be a friend of yours.

1:47:50 We're just breaking these in that feel it

1:47:52 just kind of feels like a military presence.

1:47:54 So, it's kind of, and again, this is my opinion,

1:47:57 but like supposed to subconsciously wrap you in this idea

1:48:02 like we're we are a force and you're here alone.

1:48:05 You don't have your wife here.

1:48:06 Eileen's not here.

1:48:07 It just feels very

1:48:10 staged.

1:48:11 Yeah.

1:48:13 Yeah.

1:48:12 Just hearing it, that's what it feels like to me.

1:48:16 Yeah.

1:48:16 And it was And then he he's leading up to this big question on the third day.

1:48:20 No one's here.

1:48:21 I could kick your butt.

1:48:22 and um the IDF wants this and you need the money sort of a thing.

1:48:27 You know, you're desperate and you know this is what we can do.

1:48:31 This is what your company's worth.

1:48:32 It's it's quite intimidating.

1:48:34 Yeah.

1:48:34 Yeah.

1:48:35 Or meant to be intimidating.

1:48:37 I mean, I would say I wouldn't say traumatic, but you know, again,

1:48:42 you got to remember like just four 3 months prior, I was in this suicide crisis.

1:48:50 I was coming off of THC.

1:48:52 Mhm.

1:48:52 I was engaged in scripture and then like all

1:48:56 these red flags are popping up and then and then that

1:49:02 Yeah.

1:49:02 And so yeah, as you know that's basically the end of the day for the third day.

1:49:08 And um you know we left on good terms.

1:49:12 I didn't uh never had one like crosswise conversation with him.

1:49:18 Mhm.

1:49:22 Um I think you mentioned something about like a threatening innuendo and was

1:49:28 Yeah, that's what he said.

1:49:29 No, that Yeah, that's

1:49:31 it.

1:49:31 It didn't even register as plausible given

1:49:33 the fact that you were on his property.

1:49:34 He's got his guys.

1:49:35 I was like, no.

1:49:36 Like I mean, who would try to size up and then be like, yeah, no,

1:49:40 I'm going to take you on your own property

1:49:42 with your own men all around with cameras in front.

1:49:44 That didn't sound right to me.

1:49:45 But up.

1:49:46 Yeah.

1:49:46 And we did and we did go into the uh

1:49:49 wreck room and was kicking around the bags and everything,

1:49:52 stretching and um doing this and that, but you know,

1:49:57 he said he he looked down like a puppy

1:50:01 cuz he even admitted that he made that threat.

1:50:04 And see, I just like blocked that out of my mind just then.

1:50:09 Crazy.

1:50:09 But um look down like a puppy.

1:50:13 Like no, that's not me.

1:50:15 I don't I don't like to fight.

1:50:17 I don't fight.

1:50:19 But um that was kind of that was kind of a low blow.

1:50:26 Yeah.

1:50:26 Still kind of making you feel small.

1:50:28 Yeah.

1:50:29 Yeah.

1:50:30 So you get out of there a day early and what happens thereafter?

1:50:37 You're kind of now realizing what this is.

1:50:40 Maybe kind of adjacent to this sort of Nars cult.

1:50:44 Uh yeah, Nar cult or yeah, new Apostolic Reformation, something.

1:50:49 No, I really didn't.

1:50:50 I still thought in my mind that they that Victor was just unaware

1:50:57 all the way all the way through this point.

1:50:59 Just unaware of of what he was involved with.

1:51:04 That's how how deep that bond had become or or whatever you want to call that.

1:51:13 Yeah.

1:51:14 You can't see what's right in front of you.

1:51:16 Yeah.

1:51:16 Exactly.

1:51:17 Yeah.

1:51:18 And um so I leave I leave the property

1:51:22 and I'm staying in Colorado for another month.

1:51:27 And so I go get Airbnbs, jump around a little bit.

1:51:30 I do a demo at uh Douglas County.

1:51:34 I just drove up to Douglas County Sheriff's Department

1:51:36 and and walked in with my full AR on my back.

1:51:41 It's a huge huge department, like 600 officers.

1:51:44 I just walk in with my full AR and, you know,

1:51:48 declare it and they find me the guy to talk

1:51:50 to out of this huge um uh police force.

1:51:57 And the dude was just blown away by it.

1:52:00 Had never seen it.

1:52:01 We got a demo set up the next week.

1:52:04 Came out and did a demo for them and SWAT team came out, SRO's came out.

1:52:10 Um, several of the other like armory guys and they just loved it.

1:52:15 M so that's what I love doing by the way is is you know I'm

1:52:19 not a combat guy but I will show anybody how to deploy the full AR

1:52:24 especially SRO's and le guys and I really good at it and I can

1:52:31 talk them through the product and demonstrate

1:52:33 really well and that's what I enjoy most.

1:52:36 So that was that was a good thing that I was able to do while I was still there.

1:52:41 But I was there.

1:52:41 I had already set up intensive counseling.

1:52:45 Uh, and Victor knew about it.

1:52:47 I think he said that he paid for the counseling.

1:52:53 Mhm.

1:52:51 Did not.

1:52:52 Um, I paid all of it.

1:52:55 It was $13,000 with the counseling in the room,

1:53:02 but I don't know why he said that he paid for it.

1:53:05 He didn't.

1:53:07 So, my wife did come up.

1:53:09 It was set up for individual counseling for me as an intensive two-week deal.

1:53:17 Um, and I pressured her into coming.

1:53:22 I got we we got to do marriage counseling.

1:53:26 And so she did come up.

1:53:28 We went through it.

1:53:31 uh I did well and and ended up getting back home and um yeah,

1:53:42 I mean that's kind of the history of the last visit for Victor Mark.

1:53:48 So, I want to uh also interject that in this same timeline,

1:53:54 you did have one of your fold ARs went missing,

1:53:59 and it's just relevant to bring this forward to I I think

1:54:03 kind of just an interesting kind of just interesting certainly is interesting.

1:54:08 You um you went out to sell an AR and I want to get the timeline right.

1:54:14 This is June of 2024.

1:54:17 Okay.

1:54:17 So that one that one was June 24.

1:54:20 That was an online purchase that we shipped to a gun store in Texas.

1:54:26 Okay.

1:54:26 And not in person.

1:54:27 It was not in person and it was for a police officer um down in Texas.

1:54:33 And then you kind of got a phone call.

1:54:35 I know I already told my audience this, but you get

1:54:37 a phone call from the officer less than a month later, about a month later,

1:54:40 maybe just over a month later, uh that the weapon was stolen out

1:54:45 of his vehicle in while he was in Midland, Texas, right?

1:54:51 And he gave you the case number or the report number.

1:54:56 Yeah.

1:54:56 And he didn't call me paper.

1:54:59 Yeah.

1:54:59 When this when the incident happened, he didn't I didn't know about it.

1:55:03 Oh.

1:55:04 Um, but he uh Yeah.

1:55:08 And on July the 4th, it was stolen.

1:55:12 Mhm.

1:55:11 Purchased it in June.

1:55:13 We shipped it to his gun shop.

1:55:15 Um, in June, also late June.

1:55:20 And on July 4th, it was stolen in Midland out of his vehicle.

1:55:25 Mhm.

1:55:25 And then he notified the Midland Police Department,

1:55:29 took a report, serial number, and a report number.

1:55:35 And um so he didn't give you that report number.

1:55:39 Not not during then.

1:55:41 It was much actually it was only few weeks ago.

1:55:46 Okay.

1:55:46 So you actually didn't know that it had been stolen until a couple of weeks ago.

1:55:53 No, after the ATF.

1:55:53 I got the ATF trace on on September the 10th.

1:55:56 Okay.

1:55:56 So, just to kind of get our ducks in a row here,

1:56:01 uh June 2024, you it's an online sale.

1:56:04 It's going to police officer in Texas.

1:56:06 The police officer loses, does not inform you,

1:56:10 but gets the gun stolen from him, I should say, in Midland, Texas.

1:56:14 The story is he says, which you'll find out later,

1:56:16 is that there is uh his window was open

1:56:18 or something while he went into the gas station.

1:56:21 someone grabbed it and he called the police uh the local police obviously he's

1:56:26 a police officer but not in Midland and filed a report for this missing gun.

1:56:31 You actually did not find out right away.

1:56:33 You did not know at all that this gun was missing or had

1:56:38 been stolen until what next happens is on the day that Charlie was killed.

1:56:48 Right.

1:56:47 Oh, that's an interesting thing.

1:56:48 I thought that you found out immediately that he just kind of gave you,

1:56:51 hey, just a heads up or whatever.

1:56:54 Okay, that's interesting.

1:56:55 So on September 10th, you get this email which we are going to show um which is

1:57:02 from the ATF which they are performing

1:57:05 is something that's called a an ATF trace.

1:57:09 What I've explained to my audience is that uh when they do this trace,

1:57:13 it's because this weapon has popped up typically in always, I think,

1:57:18 in a crime and they're trying to trace the gun and who's the manufacturer,

1:57:23 who sold the gun, I guess, sort of whose hands have crossed it.

1:57:26 Am I describing that correctly?

1:57:30 Right.

1:57:29 And you have 24 hours to respond to this email, right?

1:57:33 Or I don't know.

1:57:33 I guess they swing in the door.

1:57:34 I don't know what happens actually if you put if you miss deadline,

1:57:36 but you don't you're not going to test that out, right?

1:57:38 So, you instantly respond to the email.

1:57:40 Obviously, this is now uh on the morning of Charlie Kirk's assassination,

1:57:44 which is definitely interesting.

1:57:45 It's definitely something that piqued your interest of, okay,

1:57:50 I get this trace and suddenly this gun that I think is all good

1:57:53 and belongs to a police officer in Texas is coming up in an ATF trace.

1:57:58 This is really interesting.

1:57:59 I did not realize appreciate this when you first told me the story.

1:58:02 I thought you police officer had instantly informed you.

1:58:05 So, you're thinking that's kind of weird.

1:58:06 Um, I now know that this gun is potentially being used in a crime.

1:58:11 What happened to this gun?

1:58:12 You contact the person that you sold it to, a police officer.

1:58:17 And much later, much later.

1:58:19 Now, on the day of Charlie's assassination,

1:58:21 I'm because you just don't know what to think of this.

1:58:23 Obviously, a lot's going on.

1:58:25 How much later is need to be perfect?

1:58:30 Couple months, couple weeks?

1:58:33 Cuz it's kind of in the back of your head like that.

1:58:34 And it was it was about I would say about 4 weeks ago from today month ago.

1:58:42 So re very recently.

1:58:44 Yeah.

1:58:44 Yeah.

1:58:44 Cuz it's just kind of in the back of your mind like that was a weird thing.

1:58:47 And I don't know why this would be involved in a crime

1:58:49 at all because this is I sold to a police officer.

1:58:52 Feels kind of safe.

1:58:54 And at that moment did you leave a message

1:58:56 on his phone when you called or did he pick up instantly?

1:58:58 Uh he picked up instantly.

1:59:00 Okay.

1:59:01 and he told you the story of, "Oh,

1:59:06 actually that's so funny that you say that." And you ask him,

1:59:09 "Hey, did the ATF call you?" He tells you the ATF did not call him.

1:59:13 Actually, they called you.

1:59:16 And well, didn't call me.

1:59:18 They They did.

1:59:19 They emailed you.

1:59:20 They did not email him or trace anything with him.

1:59:23 How weird.

1:59:24 Actually, what happened was I actually lost that gun

1:59:27 at a gas station because somebody took it from me.

1:59:29 I called the police and then he gives you the report number.

1:59:35 Mhm.

1:59:35 After you hang up the phone.

1:59:37 Yeah.

1:59:37 I sent it in a text message.

1:59:39 Okay.

1:59:39 And we can show that this this text

1:59:41 message that you received of the report number.

1:59:45 Uh he you feel confident when you're talking

1:59:48 to him that he's telling you the truth.

1:59:50 I think you told me that you felt like

1:59:52 Yeah, I felt like he was telling the truth.

1:59:55 Okay.

1:59:55 I had I will say I had trouble with the story.

1:59:58 I I've already expressed that to my audiences

2:00:00 just because I go off of vibe sometimes.

2:00:04 And for me, when I heard the story of like a police officer,

2:00:08 you know, calling the police,

2:00:11 that's a police officers tend to be embarrassed if they

2:00:14 get something taken from them cuz like we're the police officers.

2:00:16 supposed to stop the crime and then it happens to us and they'll

2:00:18 they get all proud and well I'm going to hunt this guy

2:00:22 and kick down with you know they kind of are excessive when it

2:00:25 happens to them or someone that they love or in their immediate circle even

2:00:28 if you cut off a police officer suddenly they're like giving you

2:00:31 the worst ticket ever you know it's like I'm a police officer and you

2:00:34 violate the laws I found it even more unusual and again I'm speculating

2:00:41 here but I just am familiar with Midlands incredibly wealthy because of the oil.

2:00:47 Um, and I thought it was very strange that a gas

2:00:51 station wouldn't have cameras and you had asked him about

2:00:55 that and I What was the reason he told that he

2:00:58 didn't they the cameras weren't facing or they didn't have footage?

2:01:02 What was the Yeah, I think it did have cameras and he did

2:01:06 he told me that he did go in and check, but they couldn't see the visual of it,

2:01:11 I guess, at a at the angle the vehicle was parked

2:01:14 or wherever it was parked at, but it didn't tell me too much about that.

2:01:19 Yeah.

2:01:19 Yeah, I struggled with that a little bit.

2:01:20 I'm going to be honest.

2:01:21 It's a gas station, um, wealthy area.

2:01:24 I just felt that would not be too likely.

2:01:28 And uh then also just that a lot of unlikely things that happened there.

2:01:32 So, but I did say I have not uh had the time yet to reach out,

2:01:36 which I'm going to do to hear that story.

2:01:41 There's something about it that just instantly strikes me as very odd.

2:01:45 Um for whatever reason, that strikes me as very odd.

2:01:48 And I don't know this, so I'll ask you the question.

2:01:51 In that typical scenario, shouldn't they have done the trace on him first?

2:01:57 So they do the trace on the manufacturer.

2:02:01 Then it went to a gun store that he has his gun sent to

2:02:06 and then they're supposed to trace do the same

2:02:09 trace for the same material to that gun store

2:02:12 and then um that gun store would tell them, "Okay, we sold it to this person.

2:02:19 Here's their phone number and address."

2:02:21 Did the gun store Did you call the gun store?

2:02:24 No, I didn't.

2:02:24 Okay.

2:02:25 So that's something that is could definitely be chased down.

2:02:29 Okay.

2:02:29 I'm definitely going to take a look into that.

2:02:31 I I do find that to be as you did this for the same

2:02:35 reasons just like oh that's kind of precise timing and it

2:02:38 it also is sort of you know the timeline that you I don't

2:02:43 know just a lot going on at that in that timeline in 2024.

2:02:46 So we'll see.

2:02:47 Um, but that is that definitely was of interest to me of just

2:02:52 just a lot of planes were coming out of Texas that day in general,

2:02:54 I think is why it kind of also flagged me.

2:02:57 um as weird as just looking into the Charlie Kirk assassination

2:03:00 and things of that nature and then kind of this weird connection

2:03:05 with Victor's like trying to get these guns from you in that time

2:03:08 frame for different things and he's giving you the Haiti spiel,

2:03:12 but now I'm in contact with someone from Haiti who knows

2:03:15 Victor Marks and it's very it's just getting even more interesting.

2:03:19 Um I don't think anybody really knows Victor Marks.

2:03:21 I was that person shared with me messages.

2:03:23 I was surprised to learn that his backstory about being abused by his dad,

2:03:28 his dad being named Karl Marx,

2:03:29 I guess it was right there, but I didn't know that Karl Marx was Jewish.

2:03:32 This Karl Marx's dad,

2:03:34 that was um something that came across in text messages that were given to me.

2:03:40 That uh he's quite defensive about Israel is what I would say.

2:03:44 He's he is similarly how he Yeah.

2:03:48 kind of got real serious with you when it came to the IDF.

2:03:51 He similarly got serious with this other individual

2:03:53 who is interested in speaking out um who

2:03:56 was his liaison to Jimmy Barbecue in Haiti

2:04:00 and similarly this person kind of did some one-off

2:04:05 comment about Israel and he met a different

2:04:08 Victor Marks is what I would say who was

2:04:10 like what if I told you my my dad's Jewish and don't ever say that ever again.

2:04:18 So, there's a lot that's compelling to me

2:04:21 and something that I hadn't shared before with my audiences is that he was uh

2:04:27 Charlie Kirk stopped speaking to Benjamin Marks entirely.

2:04:30 Their relationship I mean like unfollowed each other.

2:04:32 I've uh spoken to several people about this.

2:04:35 They didn't know what the falling out was about,

2:04:37 but it there was an very big falling out between Charlie and Victor Marks.

2:04:43 And do you know what time frame?

2:04:44 Uh well, it all had to happen in the same season cuz Victor Marks was not in it.

2:04:51 I don't know the time frame.

2:04:52 I will find out.

2:04:54 And he had completely stopped talking to him.

2:04:55 They had stopped following each other.

2:04:57 And I'm wondering, you know,

2:05:01 how then his wife was so close to Eileen and Victor that that's one

2:05:05 of the first people that she wants

2:05:07 to hug and connect with after the assassination.

2:05:11 and he also happened to be the first person that we can

2:05:14 find that announced that Charlie Kirk was dead and then removed that video.

2:05:20 I just find that to be really interesting

2:05:24 and hopefully we will get some answers from Victor

2:05:27 Marks about what his falling out was

2:05:28 with Charlie Kirk if that was ever patched out.

2:05:31 Actually, I don't know if it was.

2:05:33 Um, his relationship with Era makes me uncomfortable given the fact

2:05:38 that I had already arrived at a question mark about the Egyptian planes.

2:05:44 My thesis was that they were trafficking weapons um,

2:05:47 based off of the pattern over 3 years beginning

2:05:51 in the same time frame that you're discussing in 2023.

2:05:54 and she happens to have a proximity to a lot of pastors

2:06:00 that have interesting pasts and presents

2:06:03 and always a finger on trafficking charities.

2:06:08 And I I find that not to be coincidental.

2:06:12 I don't find that to be coincidental.

2:06:13 And um I just don't think it's possible.

2:06:17 I don't think it's possible that everybody can be doing charity

2:06:20 in the same way for orphanages and wanting to stop out human trafficking.

2:06:25 And the Jimmy Barbecue story was interesting

2:06:27 because of also Tim Ballard and Operation Underground.

2:06:33 I don't know if you're familiar with them a little bit.

2:06:35 Yeah.

2:06:36 Yeah.

2:06:36 I um had interviewed him, had heard the story,

2:06:40 totally fell for the story that he was helping these victims,

2:06:44 and then he arrived in a massive scandal where people were saying, "No,

2:06:47 that's not actually what he was doing overseas." And so,

2:06:49 it's another piece that I need to put together,

2:06:53 but there just sort of seems to be

2:06:56 a lot of these connecting themes with um you know,

2:07:01 my heart's in the right place.

2:07:03 I'm doing charity.

2:07:04 I'm doing this.

2:07:04 This is the theme of the charity.

2:07:05 am protecting orphanages and I think that there

2:07:08 there potentially could be more here and I

2:07:14 think the biggest theme and the one that's

2:07:16 the most upsetting in listening to your story

2:07:20 uh the current that runs through all of this is this faux faith and it feels

2:07:25 like the entire world was given this retooling

2:07:30 prayer so to speak after uh Charlie died.

2:07:34 I feel like we went through that but publicly where suddenly we're being

2:07:39 told this is all God ordained and this is what who you have

2:07:42 to follow and this is who you need to listen to and if

2:07:44 you question this you've got demons on you and you it this is I

2:07:49 think um what was so compelling about your story because it was

2:07:53 a a microcosm of what we have seen happen since Charlie um passed away

2:08:00 and we have this Victor Marks connection and I find the manner in which

2:08:06 he dealt with you to be sort of the manner in which Turning Point,

2:08:11 the stage, everything they have dealt with us publicly like

2:08:14 this is what God has ordained and nobody should question this.

2:08:18 And yet we all feel the darkness.

2:08:20 We everyone that collectively the world feels

2:08:23 a darkness there outside of the you know

2:08:25 little bubble of the mainstream media that's

2:08:27 trying to conduct the retooling prayer on us.

2:08:30 Um yeah I want to say that I I want to say that there is you are what you

2:08:35 perceived in February April that faith is being manipulated

2:08:41 and it is not for light forces it is for dark

2:08:44 forces people are going to feel that and and I

2:08:49 I felt so seen when I was reading your story

2:08:53 and realizing what we're actually looking at here is dark

2:08:56 psychiatry this is this is dark it's psychiatry It's manipulative.

2:09:01 You had um used the term when we were discussing

2:09:04 which I think many people are familiar with which is Darvo.

2:09:08 Do you want to talk about what Darvo is in case they're not?

2:09:11 Well, yeah.

2:09:12 Um this is something I just learned over the past few days is a Darvo.

2:09:18 If I can remember properly, it stands for deny um attack, reverse victim, uh

2:09:27 victim and offender.

2:09:28 an offender.

2:09:29 Yeah.

2:09:32 Yeah.

2:09:31 So, the perpetrator denies what you're accusing him of.

2:09:38 He attacks you and then he reverses the roles of victim and accuser.

2:09:45 And when I say that we are going through

2:09:47 this on a large scale and it was exa exactly how

2:09:50 I just my experience with turning point after um when

2:09:54 you walked in tonight I was on the phone with actually

2:09:56 the president of the University of Georgia um and she

2:10:01 and this sorry for the Turning Point USA chapter and there

2:10:05 had just been this situation where Erica wasn't going u

2:10:09 because the crowd size and she said that was it.

2:10:11 It was it was the crowd size.

2:10:13 We told them that it wasn't going to be a big crowd.

2:10:15 We were concerned the entire time.

2:10:17 We had communicated this to them that people didn't want to go.

2:10:20 Conservatives didn't want to go because they don't like Erica.

2:10:23 And they told us to keep going, keep going.

2:10:25 And then Erica abandons that commitment in the last moment.

2:10:28 And they get on stage and they blame the world.

2:10:32 You know, it's like you didn't show up for your commitment

2:10:34 and now you're telling the world that she had death attacks or like,

2:10:37 you know, death threats and that wasn't true.

2:10:39 And and so the students are resigning.

2:10:41 she's resigning her post and she said I exam the same psychological tactics.

2:10:47 Um there needs to be a broader discussion about that.

2:10:51 There just needs to be a broader discussion about that.

2:10:53 And so there is sort of this um nucleus and I

2:10:58 and I shouldn't even call it this is this is so unhealthy.

2:11:01 There's there's a really unhealthy cell here that's building with faith.

2:11:05 It's not really faith.

2:11:06 It's a cult.

2:11:08 I think it's actually a cult in practice is what he was doing.

2:11:11 I think there was father if you actually

2:11:13 spoke to a priest about everything that happened.

2:11:16 I was watching an interview with Father Riper.

2:11:19 I don't know if you got to see that.

2:11:20 I did.

2:11:20 Yeah.

2:11:21 Incredible.

2:11:22 It was incredible to hear him speak about some of those things.

2:11:24 I found it to be incredible and I haven't even finished it.

2:11:27 Um I want to pivot to this weapon story

2:11:31 though cuz again talking about everyone in Erica's orbit,

2:11:34 I had just covered that her mother similarly was

2:11:37 trying to buy or get involved get the patent.

2:11:40 I should say for uh another gun company, unique gun company,

2:11:45 which could hold uh different bullet types in each chamber.

2:11:50 I know I'm terrible at speaking about guns.

2:11:52 You're smirking here.

2:11:53 What What do we The cylinder different rifling in each in each cylinder,

2:11:57 which is super unique.

2:11:59 And when I said that to you upstairs, like that's very interesting.

2:12:03 Your gun can fold.

2:12:04 This gun would be the first to do this.

2:12:07 and Lori was having this meeting.

2:12:10 It did it ended up not panning out,

2:12:11 but her Erica showed up and they were interested

2:12:14 in this in this company or this patent rather wasn't actually made.

2:12:18 And I thought, what is it?

2:12:19 What do you think it is about these super unique guns

2:12:22 that they're interested in and I would like to hear your perspective?

2:12:26 And to talk about September 10th because I think if there was a shot fired,

2:12:32 could it have been closer?

2:12:33 Could somebody have had it in their backpack?

2:12:34 Again, we're surmising here.

2:12:36 We are totally not saying this is how it went down,

2:12:38 but it certainly makes for a compelling conversation.

2:12:42 Yeah.

2:12:42 So, so that uh I got to see a video

2:12:47 rendition of what the product that you're talking about.

2:12:49 It looks like a revolver and it seemed to have

2:12:53 multiple chambers um that each have different calibers built into it.

2:13:01 And uh typically that would be like a handgun style firearm, but um you know,

2:13:08 you just extend the the cylinder, so to speak,

2:13:12 out further and put a stock on it and whatnot.

2:13:16 And then it could be configured as some kind of shoulder fired weapon.

2:13:20 And in theory, you could have, I don't know,

2:13:23 up to 10 or 15 or more uh different calibers in it.

2:13:30 And so I've never seen that product in the marketplace.

2:13:33 I suppose it didn't uh hasn't been manufactured yet.

2:13:36 No commercialization there.

2:13:39 Uh as far as the patent goes, I'm not I've never seen it before.

2:13:42 But um he did secure the patent.

2:13:45 Yeah.

2:13:45 Three years it took, but he's got the patent for it.

2:13:48 I would say this.

2:13:50 So the fold AR uh has several unique features to it.

2:13:57 One being that it can fold obviously and the other

2:14:00 that is not so obvious is the quick change barrel system.

2:14:06 And so with just a push of a pin,

2:14:10 you can take the entire barrel system off and swap it

2:14:14 with a different barrel system of a different length or caliber.

2:14:18 And so in the in the uh in the case of the AR-15,

2:14:24 the most common calibers are 5.56 or 223, same caliber there, and 300 Blackout.

2:14:34 So um we sell proportionately 60 to 40,

2:14:39 you know, 60% the 5.56 and maybe 40% 300 Blackout.

2:14:45 And so it's very common being that the ballistics report

2:14:54 of the shooting say 30 caliber that doesn't necessarily mean 306.

2:15:00 And so it could be a number of 30 caliber which is the diameter 30 in.

2:15:08 It could be any number of different uh cartridges, but all 30 caliber.

2:15:15 And so that matches a 300 blackout profile.

2:15:18 And so in my opinion,

2:15:24 why um maybe certain countries would want a barrel system changeable rifle.

2:15:36 I mean it's twofold.

2:15:37 One is one is for assassinations.

2:15:46 Yeah.

2:15:48 And uh so here's here's the scenario.

2:15:52 Again, speculation.

2:15:54 I'm not hanging my hat on this, right?

2:15:56 We don't see much evidence.

2:15:58 We see a few things.

2:16:02 Um, but the scenario is you have a backpack, you have a rifle that fits in it,

2:16:11 and it would not necessarily have to be a fold AR.

2:16:16 There are some other models where you

2:16:18 can take the barrel off with different means, but they're not very popular.

2:16:25 Um, in the case of a fold AR,

2:16:29 you could have the folded rifle in a backpack and another barrel system in it.

2:16:36 And so you get to a shooting position, you take the rifle out, you unfold it,

2:16:43 latch it, take your shot, you fold it, pop the pin, take that barrel system off,

2:16:51 grab the other barrel system that's in the backpack,

2:16:55 connect it to the receiver set,

2:16:59 throw the other barrel, the the freshly shot barrel system back in the backpack.

2:17:06 or wrapped around a towel.

2:17:10 And you either leave the gun there and you take

2:17:13 the backpack and the towel and the barrel system with you

2:17:17 and jump off a building or you put it all back

2:17:22 together in the backpack and go put the entire unit somewhere else.

2:17:29 So reason behind that if If you're want to get away with assassination,

2:17:40 then you shoot a bullet out of one system,

2:17:46 one barrel system, and then you swap it over to another,

2:17:50 and your bullet profile doesn't match.

2:17:53 As long as you get one of those components out of the mix,

2:17:57 then you're effectively scot-free.

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2:20:02 Let me ask you a question.

2:20:04 Silly question, but I'm allowed.

2:20:06 I think uh one of the things obviously that's been the biggest

2:20:11 discoveries in this is that the bullet didn't go through, right?

2:20:13 So this is why people really struggled with the 30

2:20:16 odd six because you know it would take down a moose.

2:20:20 Um is the 30 any 30 scenario would that be different

2:20:30 as someone who's not familiar with different bullets and what they

2:20:34 can do which would be me and I think a lot

2:20:36 of other people as well like that was that's something that to me

2:20:40 feels like it it would have to be a lot smaller.

2:20:43 Um, so there's a lot of schools of thought

2:20:49 around this and I'm not a ballistics expert.

2:20:53 I'm a compact weapons expert on the AR platform,

2:20:58 but um, ballistics I've seen a lot.

2:21:02 I've I've shot a lot, but you know, I don't do that every day.

2:21:07 You know, that's that's that's my qualification there.

2:21:11 However, um I do know that 300 Blackout,

2:21:17 especially a subsonic um has a much higher

2:21:23 probability of not going through than a 300 6.

2:21:28 Now, can I ask what a subsonic is?

2:21:31 Subsonic is usually charged, well,

2:21:34 always charged with a lesser uh burning powder.

2:21:37 Okay.

2:21:38 Um, and so it'll travel ideally below the sound barrier.

2:21:45 Mhm.

2:21:45 Which is going to be around so literally subsonic sound.

2:21:48 Yeah.

2:21:48 Okay.

2:21:49 950 ft per second plus or minus depending on temperature, elevation, all that.

2:21:56 Mhm.

2:21:55 And so, um, I wasn't there, so I didn't hear the gunshot.

2:22:00 And of course, hearing it through phones and audio devices isn't the same.

2:22:05 Uh, a lot of people can tell the difference

2:22:08 right off the bat between subsonic and supersonic.

2:22:12 Um, also there were speakers there.

2:22:13 There's one theory that they played a sound

2:22:15 that was different while another one escaped.

2:22:17 I mean, there's a thousand different I I

2:22:18 there's so many theories out there, but um,

2:22:20 people would be able to tell a difference between a subsonic is the main point.

2:22:24 Okay.

2:22:24 And so with and I'll just describe, you know,

2:22:28 the most likely ballistic profile that I would uh be looking

2:22:33 at for this type of D and and I don't see the body.

2:22:38 Mhm.

2:22:37 I'm just here.

2:22:38 I haven't even seen pictures.

2:22:39 I saw, you know, the immediate aftermath of those videos,

2:22:45 but we haven't seen, you know, the body.

2:22:49 Uh so just again if there was no exit and there was a fragment of the bullet

2:22:56 in the found in the body and I think I

2:22:59 heard somewhere that there was other lead fragments found inside.

2:23:03 Don't know if that's true or not, but um what you're looking at is a potentially

2:23:12 a subsonic 300 Blackout that uh perhaps wasn't shot

2:23:21 with the suppressor installed on it and uh did

2:23:26 not did not go through and separated when it hit.

2:23:31 and a piece of the jacket coming off and and separating.

2:23:36 And um again though, if there is no exit wound,

2:23:41 you're going to find all the bullet fragments inside and you'll be able Yeah.

2:23:46 And you'll be able to weigh it and uh you'll tell exactly or pretty

2:23:52 close how much that bullet originally weighed

2:23:55 after you get all the pieces together.

2:23:57 Mhm.

2:23:58 And so, um, if it is true that no fragments left the body,

2:24:04 then it will all be there.

2:24:05 That's, yeah, it's got to all be there.

2:24:06 It's an autopsy.

2:24:08 And so, maybe we're not seeing the whole picture.

2:24:10 Maybe some fragments did exit somewhere.

2:24:14 I don't know.

2:24:16 Um, but I could see a 300 blackout doing that.

2:24:20 Even a supersonic blackout could possibly um still remain completely inside

2:24:29 the body and separate and not penetrate through um 306 though.

2:24:38 I mean, I've had a guy that that was a sniper,

2:24:41 a marine sniper that that said he's seen all kinds of crazy stuff.

2:24:45 This is just last week.

2:24:47 And uh he he could envision a 30 out six corlock possibly doing that but

2:24:55 in the neck.

2:24:58 Yeah, that's the problem.

2:24:58 It's the neck like he seemed kind of he seemed kind of like Yeah,

2:25:03 it's very unlikely but I've seen crazy stuff before.

2:25:06 People have sent me uh pictures of them like dad accidentally shot himself.

2:25:11 It actually ricocheted off a tree and hit him

2:25:13 and it went through both of his legs like um ricocheted.

2:25:16 So it slowed down and they sent me one guy was in the hospital.

2:25:19 I just wanted you to see what a 30 oit did to me.

2:25:21 I was on a hunting trip had an accident and like

2:25:24 this is how far it was and I was I mean these people almost lost

2:25:27 their ability to walk like I mean it's like and this is the leg, right?

2:25:29 So much more like a neck is just that was

2:25:32 kind of the other thing is it was the neck.

2:25:34 If it was the chest I think people could have been like okay maybe like

2:25:38 I I do want to ask you a question.

2:25:40 When you sell um your guns,

2:25:43 are you giving them every every barrel option comes with it?

2:25:48 No, they'll they'll usually just buy one version.

2:25:50 One version.

2:25:51 Occasionally they'll get a a barrel system

2:25:53 with a different caliber along with the purchase.

2:25:56 Okay.

2:25:56 And may I ask regarding that Texas purchase where the gun went missing,

2:26:00 which barrel option was it?

2:26:02 That was 5.56, otherwise known as a 23.

2:26:06 Thank you.

2:26:08 Mhm.

2:26:09 Okay.

2:26:10 Okay, that's very interesting.

2:26:12 So, that's actually smaller than 30.

2:26:15 So, that'll move a lot faster.

2:26:17 And uh that was a 16in barrel 223.

2:26:22 And so, velocities are going to be up in the um 3,000 range, feet per second.

2:26:30 And with most ammo that's going to punch right through and not even

2:26:35 expand much and just poke a hole unless it hit hit bone of course.

2:26:41 But um I mean there's all kinds of different ammunition and Wait, sorry.

2:26:45 When you say it's going to go right through,

2:26:46 do you mean like a 300 6 go through?

2:26:49 No, 300 6 is just um it's expanding quickly.

2:26:55 It's got a lot more energy and bigger diameter and it's

2:27:00 uh I would say in within two inches of neck it's already

2:27:10 not even like the middle like we're it's you know less you got less if you're

2:27:14 going through this way you know um which is where he was hit but a two

2:27:20 it's just going to a normal 30 six is just going to plow right through.

2:27:26 Mhm.

2:27:26 I think they knew that.

2:27:27 I think they they were never planning on showing up.

2:27:29 And even still, if if the jacket did separate

2:27:34 quickly and didn't just mushroom in and stay intact,

2:27:39 depending on the bullet design, even if it did separate,

2:27:44 those pieces after they separate, they're they're

2:27:48 some of them are going to go out and exit.

2:27:51 Even if one of them's can hit bone and then travel back down like they said.

2:27:58 Yeah, possible.

2:27:58 But the other piece is going to shoot out somewhere.

2:28:01 Yeah.

2:28:01 And it just didn't at all.

2:28:03 Yeah.

2:28:04 So, I would say this.

2:28:05 So, with a 300 Blackout up on an inclined roof angle,

2:28:10 a subsonic 300 Blackout round.

2:28:14 Another interesting thing to think about, typical gun ranges,

2:28:21 you're going to zero your rifle at either 100 yards or 25 yards.

2:28:28 Doesn't have to be the case, but that's typically what you do with your scope.

2:28:34 And so, let's say you you zero it at 100 yards.

2:28:39 Well, when you're now at 150 yards, your bullet's going to drop.

2:28:46 If you're at 100 yards, it's going to hit right on where you're

2:28:48 aiming if you've done your job and zeroed it.

2:28:52 But if you're at 100 yards, it's going to drop.

2:28:55 If it's a subsonic round, it it may drop 10 to 12 in, maybe 8 in, maybe

2:29:03 14 in, but it's going to drop adding that extra 50 yards.

2:29:08 And then you have the incline factor.

2:29:13 Mhm.

2:29:12 So you're shooting kind of downhill and it's not going to drop as much.

2:29:18 So you're shooting flat.

2:29:20 If it's let's just say average of 10 in it drops.

2:29:23 The incline it's going to drop maybe seven or 6 in even.

2:29:31 Yeah.

2:29:31 I'm I'm not convinced that shot came from that uh Losi center building.

2:29:36 Well, so if it did and you had a 300 blackout that was zeroed at 100,

2:29:45 then it's very reasonable that it would hit

2:29:48 in the neck if aiming exactly for the head.

2:29:55 Mhm.

2:29:55 Yeah.

2:29:56 I tell you what, it's it's a much

2:29:58 more believable story than the one that we're getting.

2:29:59 I will say that.

2:30:00 So, um I mean this is all just so fascinating to hear

2:30:05 your story and I think it gives us a lot to think about.

2:30:11 I certainly have, as I've said, I'm happy to have Victor on this podcast

2:30:16 and to allow him to tell more about his life story.

2:30:21 Uh which I think many people have found parts to be unbelievable.

2:30:25 I do think um I think he's a crazy person.

2:30:28 I will say that for sure.

2:30:30 I just just in the basis of the story you're telling me,

2:30:33 the the retooling prayer.

2:30:36 Um I think he's wildly manipulative.

2:30:38 I think he's probably um involved in a cult in the occult.

2:30:44 That's what that all sounds like to me.

2:30:46 And um but it is also, like I said, a dark psychiatry for sure.

2:30:51 And I do think that right off the bat, you were a victim of that.

2:30:56 and he he targeted you for purposes that had very little to do

2:31:00 with faith and more to do with the product that you had.

2:31:03 And it's a piece I think the uh person who

2:31:08 wrote the piece and has been working on your story, Corey Kennedy, right?

2:31:14 Mhm.

2:31:13 Did a very good job when she described it as a mosaic.

2:31:18 We're looking at a very large mosaic.

2:31:20 a lot of players are involved.

2:31:22 Um, all kind of using the same tools,

2:31:26 manipulating people, attacking people, making them think that, you know,

2:31:31 they're not doing right by God, which is the wildest piece of the manipulation.

2:31:36 It's the darkest piece of the manipulation.

2:31:39 If you don't serve me, if you don't do this for me,

2:31:41 you're not doing right by God.

2:31:42 And putting themselves in positions of power over

2:31:44 people's life and and just learning those points, those where can they push?

2:31:48 Where is this person vulnerable?

2:31:50 What are they the most scared of?

2:31:51 Well, then I know how to put them more firmly in my grass,

2:31:54 under my thumb, you know.

2:31:56 Okay.

2:31:56 I I would bring up a topic.

2:31:59 So, on Israel, um I'm not against Israel.

2:32:11 And I don't have some beef against the IDF.

2:32:14 I don't have a beef against the people of Israel.

2:32:17 I don't have beef against Jews.

2:32:21 um with Victor claiming that he's Jew, that doesn't matter to me.

2:32:28 You know, Israel is Israel is believers in Christ.

2:32:35 And uh you know, replacement theology is not is not the thing.

2:32:45 Dispensationalism is not it.

2:32:48 It It's right in the middle.

2:32:49 It's fulfillment.

2:32:51 Jesus Christ fulfilled.

2:32:54 And so we are supposed to still treat everybody,

2:33:00 no matter what ethnicity they are,

2:33:02 no matter what country they're from, with the love and respect

2:33:06 that Jesus Christ gave us an instruction to do so.

2:33:12 And so, you know, I like I like the idea of protecting

2:33:16 the nation of Israel um just as it was any other nation.

2:33:25 However, offensively, no.

2:33:32 Defensively, yeah.

2:33:34 But we crossed the line, right?

2:33:36 Mhm.

2:33:38 And uh what I see happening is the fulfillment of prophecy.

2:33:44 I think that we've got we've got a condition set where

2:33:49 we're about to throw down Israel and that's that's equally as dangerous.

2:33:56 And so with I mean did you see what Trump read today in the Bible?

2:34:04 I have not seen that yet.

2:34:05 I've been working all day.

2:34:06 Yeah.

2:34:08 So, um it's a call a national call for repentance

2:34:13 and um you know when you look at what was read today,

2:34:20 you combine it with the story of of Solomon,

2:34:22 which that's where this this chapter this verse set of verses is coming from.

2:34:28 Uh they're preparing to build the third temple.

2:34:31 And so, just look into that.

2:34:32 And I'm been looking into Freemasonry and their obsession with

2:34:38 Solomon's temple, Solomon's ring.

2:34:40 It's where the that is what the flag of Israel is.

2:34:44 I mean, it's um yeah, I will I will look into that.

2:34:48 I did not see it, so I will say that.

2:34:49 But yeah.

2:34:50 Yeah, it's an interesting one.

2:34:52 And you can see what's guiding Trump is sort of this dark theology right now.

2:34:56 Uh, and he's not really concerned about anything other

2:35:00 than something that he thinks is a higher calling.

2:35:03 I think is what that's what it feels like to all of us where

2:35:07 doesn't seem like he cares about what happens to us one way or the other.

2:35:10 There's something higher that he's serving.

2:35:12 I don't think it's higher to be clear.

2:35:14 I think it's lower.

2:35:16 But yeah, the story of Hosea is a really good example.

2:35:20 So, Hosea and Goomer, you know, Hosea was instructed to go marry

2:35:25 a prostitute and uh that prostitute represented Israel.

2:35:31 Hosea represented God for Jesus.

2:35:35 And um so he he did it and uh Goomemer ended up doing what

2:35:41 a prostitute does and ran off

2:35:43 and and uh went prostituting and got captured again.

2:35:48 And uh Hosea in a in obedience he uh went and bought her out of bondage.

2:35:57 And so he still loved his his wife who had disobeyed.

2:36:06 And it's the same situation look at with the Jews

2:36:11 or Israel is that they've rejected Christ,

2:36:15 but God does still have his arms open.

2:36:17 And the promise is still there.

2:36:19 Old covenant is not there, but the new covenant is there for them.

2:36:25 And so in that manner, all of Israel will be saved.

2:36:30 All believers in Christ will be saved.

2:36:33 So we got to keep that in mind when when we see the synagogue of Satan,

2:36:40 you know, that's just a small portion of Israel.

2:36:43 Yeah.

2:36:43 You see people I mean I think you hold the perspective

2:36:46 of most true Christians you know you want everyone to be saved

2:36:50 you know it's it's we are this is not and some religions

2:36:55 and faiths are exclusive no you're born into no we

2:36:58 want everyone to be saved want everyone to find

2:37:00 Christ and we also want people to not be distracted

2:37:03 by those who are saying they're doing things in Christ's

2:37:05 name that are actually taking you down an entirely

2:37:07 different path and I think you your awakening

2:37:12 that you started to have about wait what is this?

2:37:14 Um I know Charlie was going through that in the end.

2:37:18 Charlie was looking up and wondering what the heck was around him,

2:37:21 who these people were.

2:37:22 We had had those conversations about the manipulation about the moral blackmail

2:37:27 which she spoke about about um what I had described to him.

2:37:31 It was like this is like a gang actually.

2:37:33 It's a gang and it's a and they're imparting spiritual warfare.

2:37:38 And so I I do think in the end he had clarity on a lot and was,

2:37:47 you know, fighting fighting for himself and fighting

2:37:50 for truth and realizing that what is real was.

2:37:55 I do I know that.

2:37:56 I know that Charlie was recognizing that.

2:37:58 And I don't believe he died in vain cuz we're 7 months into this thing.

2:38:04 Seven and a half months into this and I

2:38:07 wake up every day and he's still a national conversation.

2:38:10 Yeah.

2:38:10 And it's an international conversation.

2:38:12 Yeah.

2:38:13 And he and he still loved Israel, just not the things that his

2:38:17 knew that what they were doing didn't work anymore.

2:38:19 And um the reasons he was told being told it was fine was not okay anymore.

2:38:24 And um yeah, it's exactly what you went through.

2:38:27 I think exactly what I went through.

2:38:28 And so it's uh there's no hatred on our part which

2:38:32 I no matter how many times they try to psychologically convince us

2:38:36 that it is an act of hate to notice things that are

2:38:39 wrong that are plainly wrong that we can see with our own eyes.

2:38:44 Yeah.

2:38:44 You know I think we have covered so much here.

2:38:47 Um and I just want to thank you for opening this conversation to everybody.

2:38:51 I think this is going to send people down a lot of different rabbit holes.

2:38:54 I know for me, I definitely want to chase that full they are that went missing.

2:38:58 Um, and I think it's a I think it's um I think it's a divine point.

2:39:07 Yeah.

2:39:06 In the right direction.

2:39:08 Yeah.

2:39:08 And it could be nothing but it is saying look this direction.

2:39:14 Mhm.

2:39:15 Yeah.

2:39:16 You felt it had a question.

2:39:18 I have a question.

2:39:19 There may be an answer there.

2:39:20 Sometimes you go somewhere and it okay it's nothing but we got to try it.

2:39:24 I feel like we have to do all that stuff for Charlie,

2:39:25 you know, just to keep looking.

2:39:27 And yeah, I think just Thank you.

2:39:30 You're welcome.

2:39:31 Thank you so much.

2:39:32 You're w