“You’re A JOKE!” Trump Shooting Debate & Free Speech ‘Hypocrisy’ | With Cenk Uygur & Glenn Beck

0:00 It was a joke about him being killed.

0:02 And if you want to clarify Shut up about jokes.

0:08 You can fix it.

0:08 You're a joke.

0:09 Again, because you know what he thinks Jimmy Kimmel was trying to be violent.

0:13 Can we skip this crap?

0:14 This is obviously He criticized hosting on that after the shooting.

0:20 Look at the signs these left-wing are holding up.

0:23 Do you have any regrets about what you posted or you double down on that?

0:28 I would find Rupert down on it.

0:30 I have to be real honest with you.

0:31 Don't like Charles, never have like Charles.

0:33 He's here in the 250th anniversary of us kicking your ass.

0:36 The fact that he was able to unite the Democratic

0:38 Party that had spent millions of dollars on no kings rally,

0:41 but gave him a standing ovation.

0:42 Like the hypocrisy moment there for me was worth the entire trip.

0:49 It's been a very bad week for those who

0:51 questioned the relevance of the monarchy for our modern age.

0:53 It's been a very good week for Britain,

0:55 the United States, and for King Charles, and indeed President Trump.

0:58 In four short days, the monarch has done more to repair the strained

1:02 special relationship between the two countries

1:04 than entire legions of diplomats and bureaucrats.

1:06 And he's done it while managing

1:08 to appeal simultaneously to conservatives, liberals,

1:11 royal bashers, monarchists, and most importantly of all,

1:14 to the president himself.

1:15 There's been much debate about the politics, and we'll get into that.

1:18 But my favorite discovery this week is that King Charles is genuinely hilarious.

1:23 I cannot help noticing the readjustments to the East Wing, Mr.

1:29 President.

1:30 Um following your visit to Windsor Castle last year.

1:35 And I'm sorry to say that we British, of course,

1:37 made our own small attempt at real

1:40 estate redevelopment of the White House in 1814.

1:47 [laughter] You recently commented, Mr.

1:47 President, that if it were not for the United States,

1:50 European countries would be speaking German.

1:54 Dare I say that if it wasn't for us, you'd be speaking French.

2:00 As Oscar Wilde said, we have really everything in common with America nowadays,

2:06 except of course language.

2:11 Now, as you may know, when I address my own Parliament at Westminster,

2:16 we still follow an age-old tradition and take a member of Parliament hostage.

2:24 Holding him or her at Buckingham Palace until I am safely returned.

2:33 These days, we we look after our guests rather well,

2:37 to the point that they often do not want to leave.

2:44 I don't know, Mr.

2:45 Speaker, if there are were any volunteers for that role here today.

2:51 Well, it might seem a little strange to kick off America's

2:53 250th anniversary celebrations by honoring the very crown they kicked out.

2:58 But as Trump himself explained, you can take the Brits off American soil,

3:01 but all the ICE agents in the world couldn't remove us from the American soul.

3:06 Long before Americans had a nation or a constitution,

3:10 we first had a culture, a character, and a creed.

3:15 Before we ever proclaimed our independence,

3:17 Americans carried within us the rarest of gifts,

3:22 moral courage, and it came from a small but mighty kingdom from across the sea.

3:31 Well, for the Brits, that was really the whole point of this tour.

3:33 Nothing better represents continuity than the monarchy.

3:36 The fact is that the two countries are stronger together,

3:39 and they will remain stronger together,

3:41 no matter who's in the White House and who's in number 10.

3:44 In just a few months,

3:45 President Trump has insulted Brits who died in Afghanistan,

3:48 savaged the Prime Minister as weak, ridiculed the Royal Navy as nonexistent,

3:52 and written off Britain's warships as toys.

3:54 All of this while demanding Britain's weak leader sends his nonexistent

3:58 navy and his toy warships to support the war in Iran.

4:01 The king was able to make effortlessly make it all

4:03 feel like small beer without even mentioning it at all.

4:07 That takes some diplomatic skill.

4:09 And so does giving the US and the president a subtle lesson

4:12 on democratic checks and balances without

4:14 sending said president into a tailspin.

4:18 The US Supreme Court Historical Society has calculated that Magna Carta

4:25 is cited in at least 160 Supreme Court cases in 1789.

4:33 Not least as the foundation of the principle

4:36 that executive power is subject to checks and balances.

4:43 [applause] Well, all this charm and aura and wit has clearly impressed Trump,

4:55 who as we know reveres the royals.

4:57 He'll be well aware that some of his critics believe he quite like to be one.

5:01 Two kings, the White House posted yesterday in what

5:03 could be interpreted as a classic Trumpian troll.

5:06 But as we know, practical jokes can get out of hand.

5:09 And Trump's decision to put his own face on the US anniversary

5:12 passport and coinage will do little to quell the no kings movement.

5:16 If this tour shows anything, Mr.

5:18 President, it's that Brits do royalty best.

5:21 And judging by the public reaction,

5:22 if America is going to have a king again anytime soon,

5:25 well, it might be King Charles.

5:28 Well, joining me on the panel to discuss all this is Clay Travis,

5:30 the founder of Outkick.

5:32 Cenk Uygur, the founder and CEO of The Young Turks.

5:34 Mike Nellis, Democratic strategist and host of Endless Urgency.

5:38 And Ben Ferguson, co-host of The Verdict with Ted Cruz.

5:41 Well, welcome to all of you.

5:42 I'm just wondering, given the extraordinary united

5:46 scenes we witnessed in United States Congress,

5:48 where left and right came together as one in roaring ovations for my king,

5:55 and what could have been your king if you hadn't been so reckless 250 years ago.

5:59 Whether this panel, this panel so ideologically opposed to each other,

6:04 so used to shouting at each other, could one just come together right now as one

6:10 and just put a virtual hug around each other.

6:13 Am I hoping for too much, gentlemen?

6:17 I think it was a great moment.

6:21 [laughter] It was nice.

6:22 Uh I think you all look a bit shocked by You

6:25 all look a bit shocked by the mere notion of that.

6:27 Clay Travis, let me start with you then.

6:29 It was an amazing spectacle.

6:31 I mean, I've not seen King Charles either as king or prince

6:35 make a speech as powerful as the one he made to Congress,

6:38 or one as funny as the one he made at the state dinner last night.

6:41 So, I think he's really stepped up here when, my god,

6:44 my country needed somebody to, given how

6:47 bad the relationships got in recent months.

6:49 Um but I also felt that there was a It was a Well,

6:54 there was a unit as I'm trying to say between everybody in Congress,

6:57 a rare unity which everyone's picked up

6:59 on, where you don't often see a united Congress, but they were for the king.

7:06 Well, I appreciate Democrats standing for kings after deciding that no kings

7:10 was the fabric of their entire opposition to Trump over the last year.

7:13 So, standing ovation for an actual king was

7:16 what they would stand up for [laughter] anything.

7:19 Uh it was it was a lot of fun.

7:21 But look, what I First of all, I had no idea Prince Charles is this funny.

7:25 And I watched The Crown.

7:26 I will defend myself by saying my wife got me to watch The Crown,

7:30 but it's a very, very good show.

7:32 And what I liked about it, Piers, was a recognition of Again,

7:36 he's here in the 250th anniversary of us kicking your ass,

7:40 but he's here and he's referencing this the Boston Tea Party,

7:45 the untimely 1814 burning of the of the White House.

7:49 Um of these moments.

7:53 And And like he said that we might

7:55 be speaking French but for the Brits coming over

7:58 during the French and Indian War and and all

8:00 of the the the colonial aspects of that.

8:03 I'm a history nerd.

8:04 And so, sometimes I think in the immediate moments of trying

8:08 to analyze everything that happened in the last 24 hours,

8:11 we often lose the sweep, the majesty, the majesty,

8:15 the significance of the historical resonance that 50 years from now,

8:19 100 years from now, when none of us are

8:21 around and people are still studying the history of today,

8:25 uh will be seen in the context of the longer arc of history.

8:28 And so, I It was really well done.

8:31 And And And I'm not just saying this, Piers,

8:33 because I back before everybody knew that your DNA

8:36 was harvested and would be stored forever,

8:38 I did the 23andMe or whatever the heck it was called.

8:42 And all of my ancestors were British and Irish.

8:46 So, So, when you look at it from a thousand or 1,500 year perspective,

8:51 many of us have a lot more in common with England

8:54 than maybe we choose to acknowledge on a day-to-day basis.

8:58 Well, Cenk Uygur, I actually had

9:00 a text exchange with the president this morning.

9:03 I'm sure that you did, too, right?

9:04 Um but it it was just asking how he felt yesterday yesterday had gone.

9:09 And he replied he's a great guy, talking about King Charles,

9:12 and had a he saw a wonderful evening.

9:13 He'll be back tomorrow morning to say goodbye.

9:16 Last night was special.

9:17 President DJT.

9:19 I I think it would have been to him because he has

9:23 often said to me that he remembers watching the coronation in 1953,

9:28 sitting on his mother's knee in New

9:30 York watching this first ever global televised event.

9:34 And I think the idea of him now hosting a British monarch

9:39 at the White House where he is the current occupant as president,

9:43 for Trump actually, on a personal, emotional, family level, is a massive deal.

9:49 And if it calms him down a bit from what

9:52 has been a pretty incendiary few months, I'm all in favor.

9:56 What are your thoughts?

9:59 First of all, I'm enjoying the idea

10:01 of me and Trump having a texting relationship.

10:04 Um [laughter] that would be hilarious.

10:07 It would be.

10:08 we ever got Yeah, let alone if we ever got together and President debated.

10:13 Now, that would be fun.

10:14 Uh so, first big ups to England and the UK.

10:19 Uh King Charles did great.

10:20 Way to represent, okay?

10:22 And it was nice to have a head of state who isn't a maniac.

10:25 So, that was like reassuring for the planet a little bit.

10:28 He's not technically, you know, you guys know how the monarchy works.

10:32 It's kind of From an American perspective,

10:34 it's kind of pointless, but hey, you know what?

10:36 He's a good spokesman for it.

10:37 Okay, so God bless.

10:39 Um but look, the main thing that I thought is

10:42 we got 250 years after our independence from these guys,

10:46 we're wonderful friends and allies.

10:47 And I hope that's exactly how we are

10:49 with Israel 250 years after our independence from them,

10:53 which would be hopefully 250 years from now.

10:56 So, it turns out being an independent nation is a wonderful thing.

11:01 And And then by the way, later we can be wonderful allies, okay?

11:06 But first, we need our independence from every country,

11:08 including the one ruling us today.

11:12 Ben Ferguson, there there were a number of quite strong

11:16 opinions that the King expressed on behalf of the government.

11:19 So, I think it's important to clarify

11:21 to an American audience in particular that when

11:24 the King speaks at a function like the the Congress or whatever it may be,

11:29 he does so on behalf of the UK government.

11:31 So, they help him write certain lines and so on.

11:34 But there were things in there.

11:35 I mean, let's we got a little mashup

11:37 of some of the more potentially contentious things he said.

11:40 If you're an American,

11:41 particularly American Republican like you, let's take a listen.

11:46 In both of our countries, it is the very fact of our vibrant,

11:51 diverse, and free societies that gives us our collective strength,

11:58 including to support victims of some of the ills

12:02 that so tragically exist in both our societies today.

12:06 In the immediate aftermath of 9/11,

12:09 when NATO invoked Article 5 for the first time,

12:14 and the United Nations Security Council was united in the face of terror,

12:19 we answered the call together.

12:22 Today, Mr.

12:22 Speaker, that same unyielding resolve is needed

12:27 for the defense of Ukraine and her most courageous people.

12:34 From the depths of the Atlantic

12:38 to the disastrously melting ice caps of the Arctic,

12:42 the commitment and expertise of the United States Armed

12:45 Forces and its allies lie at the heart of NATO.

12:51 Now, sometimes, Ben, you know, it's it's not what you're saying,

12:54 it's the way you say it can avoid a lot of who-ha.

12:58 You know, on the face of it,

12:59 the King of my country coming over and sort of lecturing Congress,

13:04 as some might categorize it, about the importance of NATO,

13:07 and President Trump has indicated he wants to dismantle it,

13:10 reminding people that after 9/11 NATO, including Britain,

13:15 were right there shoulder to shoulder with America.

13:17 In fact, I'm actually doing the show

13:19 from the AP down right next to the 9/11 Memorial,

13:24 where King Charles and Queen Camilla are

13:26 currently laying flowers with the New York Mayor,

13:29 Eric Adams, and that's a reminder that Britain

13:32 was shoulder to shoulder when we were asked then.

13:34 There It's been a different situation with Iran, and we can come to that.

13:38 But then also, he was he was emphatic about support needed ongoing for Ukraine,

13:43 which is not hugely popular now with the conservative right here.

13:46 And of course, he he talked about climate change in a way that again,

13:50 people on the conservative right would would maybe naturally bristle at.

13:53 So, my point being he made a few, you know,

13:56 points that could under normal circumstances,

13:58 had they come out of a politician's mouth,

14:00 have engendered a lot more angry response perhaps than they got,

14:05 but it was taken in the right spirit because of the way that he phrased it.

14:08 Would you agree?

14:10 I think it was taken the way it was taken and no one

14:12 really reacted because they know he really

14:14 doesn't have any power on those issues.

14:15 It's Starmer, right?

14:16 Like this is the guy that I I look at the King's visit is is

14:20 no different than Roger Federer being a great

14:22 spokesperson for Rolex or Rory McIlroy for Rolex.

14:25 They're great ambassadors.

14:27 They do a great job.

14:28 They don't take many risks.

14:30 They smile.

14:30 They look good on TV.

14:32 And look, if there's anyone that should be praised right now,

14:34 it's this dude's speechwriters.

14:36 Whoever they hired, give them a raise.

14:39 Pay them double because I met him when he came

14:41 in '05 when when when in the second Bush administration.

14:44 He was not funny then.

14:45 Like this is a this is a brilliant move.

14:48 Whoever's working on the PR, I liked seeing him here.

14:51 I also liked seeing the fact that there was this moment where you can say, "Hey,

14:55 we may disagree politically on a lot of things right now because you guys

14:58 have got someone we think is a little crazy in the UK in Parliament,

15:01 the Labour Party, and we're going to outlast that, right?" And there

15:05 may be some that say the same thing about Donald Trump,

15:07 that hey, we'll get another liberal Democrat woke person there,

15:09 we'll get along with them better.

15:11 And so then we'll get back to green new deals and and and all of that.

15:15 But ultimately, I do find comfort in the fact that the US has an ally.

15:21 We're not agreeing right now on a lot of issues.

15:23 That's okay.

15:24 That's politics.

15:26 You know, I also love the fact that he was able to unite

15:29 the Democratic Party that had spent millions of dollars on no kings rally,

15:32 but gave him a standing ovation.

15:34 Like the hypocrisy moment there for me was worth the entire trip.

15:38 That they're like, "We have no kings.

15:39 We said no to kings." BUT OH, WE GOT A KING HERE TODAY.

15:42 And And Democrats, by the way,

15:43 were clamoring for any event that he was going to be attending.

15:47 They wanted to go to the night at at the garden party at the UK Embassy.

15:50 They were begging for tickets.

15:51 So, for a party that says they said no to no kings,

15:54 they sure as hell wanted to hang out

15:55 with the King for the last 48 hours in Washington, D.C.

15:58 Hypocrisy 101.

15:59 I love both the points coming out of this trip.

16:02 Well, I'm going to come to Mike Nellis to respond to that.

16:05 But before I do, you know, what did you make of the White House, Ben,

16:08 putting out a picture of King Charles

16:10 and President Trump with the headline two two kings.

16:14 Yeah, yeah.

16:14 Whoever did that in the PR shop Yeah,

16:18 whoever did that in the PR shop at the White House,

16:19 like they also deserve a raise because it's trolling 101.

16:23 It's hysterical.

16:24 It was mocking the Democrats with no kings.

16:26 It's a it's And of course, their heads exploded on social media.

16:30 He's going to try to stay in power for longer.

16:32 By the way, you're an idiot.

16:33 No, he's not.

16:34 He's trying to become a king again.

16:36 This is trolling you guys that are insane.

16:38 He's not a king.

16:39 We don't have a king in America.

16:41 We don't need a Roger Federer or Rory McIlroy for Rolex, okay?

16:45 Like we're the United States of America.

16:46 You sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

16:49 That's how it works here, but we don't have kings here.

16:51 So, I agree.

16:51 We have no kings in America.

16:52 Democrats should be happy.

16:56 Mike Nellis, were you happy with Democrats

16:59 in Congress roaring on the King of my country?

17:04 I think it was fine.

17:05 I mean, I agree with something that Ben said,

17:07 which is that the PR team that wrote that speech did a really good job.

17:10 And maybe when Ben and Clay are looking for talking points to attack Democrats,

17:13 they should hire that PR team instead of the one

17:15 that's telling them to make the same joke

17:16 about no kings day because I don't think that's

17:18 going to get anywhere [laughter] with the American people.

17:21 That is a really, really great joke.

17:23 No, it's it was it was a great joke.

17:25 It was a great joke when I heard it.

17:27 No, no, no.

17:27 It was a great joke when I heard it the first time yesterday,

17:30 and it wasn't a great joke a thousand times later

17:31 cuz it's the only thing that you guys have right now.

17:34 So, it's just sort of silly to me that you

17:35 guys are going to repeat it over and over again.

17:36 But look, somebody said it earlier that I have to well,

17:41 I have to say I have to say, Mike, No, I didn't interrupt these guys.

17:44 Can I get a chance to make my point?

17:45 Like Well, yeah, but I would just say, Mike, on that point, if if the purpose,

17:50 as Ben Ferguson said, was to troll the libs, you are sounding deeply trolled.

17:55 No, I'm not I'm not deeply trolled.

17:57 I mean, I think the point that I was No,

17:59 I think the point that I was going to make though is somebody said

18:01 earlier that Donald Trump was loving this whole

18:03 thing over the last couple of days,

18:04 which of course he is.

18:05 Like he loves it because he's at the center of the attention.

18:07 He gets the idea of of hosting the King of England,

18:10 which makes him feel important.

18:11 But nothing that's happened in Washington in the last couple

18:13 of days has anything to do with the average American.

18:16 And people are struggling right now, so they watch a lavish ball.

18:19 Donald Trump's talking about building his ballroom now with taxpayer dollars,

18:22 thanks to Republican members of Congress.

18:24 I think people are frustrated when they see this stuff.

18:25 So, I thought King Charles did a great job.

18:27 I thought it was great to have a real diplomat here,

18:29 give a good speech that actually made a little bit of sense

18:32 and articulated the values I think the vast majority of Americans have.

18:35 But I'd like to see this country get

18:36 back to the actual work of improving this economy.

18:39 And that's what I care about more than anything else.

18:43 Clay, let's just switch gears slightly to this huge event,

18:47 which has already the news agenda's moved on, which

18:49 indicates just how crazy the news agenda is these days.

18:53 But the White House Correspondents Dinner

18:54 with this appalling latest assassination attempt,

18:57 which could have been an absolute disaster and massacre.

19:01 You have been criticized and praised, I have to say,

19:04 probably in equal measure for posting on X

19:07 after leaving the dinner after the shooting,

19:09 leaving the White House Correspondents Dinner,

19:11 and look at the signs these left-wing C U N T's are holding up outside.

19:16 And the image showed protesters holding signs saying "Death to tyrants." Now,

19:21 given all the debate about rhetoric and the rest of it,

19:25 obviously, you fired that off when you were genuinely angry,

19:28 and I don't blame you.

19:29 I think people are holding up signs saying "Death to tyrants"

19:32 when someone's literally trying to kill half of the cabinet,

19:36 as appeared to be the mission there.

19:38 Is, you know, extremely triggering, I would think,

19:41 for for a lot of people that were guests

19:43 there and were fearing for what may be happening.

19:46 Do you have any regrets about what you posted, or do you double down on that?

19:52 I would quite droop all down on it.

19:54 One of those signs said death to all of them.

19:56 In addition to death to tyrants.

20:00 No, I mean I I if you look on the right side there, death to all of them.

20:03 That's what I said that's what I saw immediately

20:05 when I came out of the White House Correspondents Dinner.

20:08 And I think unfortunately those two protesters are

20:11 emblematic of the motivations that this 31-year-old highly educated

20:17 two family household two parent household Democrat put

20:21 in place to justify trying to kill President Trump.

20:25 He accepted the rhetoric of these guys as justification.

20:29 He thought that he was a hero.

20:31 And look Ben Piers we're talking about the history

20:33 of of the United States and Great Britain.

20:36 I'm reading Rick Atkinson's seminal trilogy right now about

20:40 World War II and the partnership between United States,

20:43 Britain, and other democracies to defeat Adolf Hitler.

20:47 You know, before Trump we used to sometimes sit

20:49 around have a few drinks and you would say, "Hey,

20:51 if you could go back in time, would you kill baby Hitler,

20:53 right?" I mean that was a real debate that people would have.

20:56 And you would answer the question one way or the other.

20:59 For 10 years Democrats have been saying that Trump is Hitler,

21:03 that he's an authoritarian fascist dictator.

21:06 And that might just be a rhetorical argument for some people.

21:13 But this guy, I mean he's kind of an interesting test case.

21:16 He went on Twitter from mostly posting about playing

21:18 video games and obviously being a bit of a science

21:21 nerd to being willing to die trying to kill

21:24 as many people from the Republican Party as possible.

21:27 And let me say this Piers, I was there too.

21:29 So I I understand his motivation.

21:31 It didn't surprise me.

21:32 Supreme Court the Secret Service performance was indefensibly bad.

21:37 And so I don't know why more people aren't talking about this.

21:41 On video a guy comes running full speed right

21:45 by the guys who were supposed to be stopping him.

21:48 According to the indictment five shots were fired by the Secret Service.

21:53 They didn't hit the guy.

21:54 They may have hit another Secret Service agent.

21:56 We're not even exactly sure who did.

21:59 And the guy might have gotten all the way down to the ballroom.

22:01 We don't know if he hadn't tripped and fell.

22:04 I mean in the wake of Butler,

22:06 in the wake of West Palm Beach, and now we got Washington D.C.

22:09 Someone else for sure in the next two and a half

22:12 years is going to try and kill President Trump.

22:14 And I actually think the biggest story coming out of this is

22:17 our Secret Service is completely incompetent

22:20 at being able to protect the president.

22:22 I'm glad this wasn't some sort of trained

22:24 assassin cabal because he would be dead.

22:27 Trump would.

22:27 And and Piers, I said this yesterday on my radio show President Trump is

22:31 alive today in spite of the Secret Service not because of the Secret Service.

22:37 And that is troubling going forward no matter who the president

22:40 is or who people in high positions of power are.

22:43 And I say that as someone who saw it unfold there on Saturday night.

22:49 Yeah, I completely I think it is being

22:51 under said this because if you think about it,

22:55 the Butler, Pennsylvania shooting where he

22:57 actually got hit and somebody got killed.

23:00 The the first place surely the Secret Service would check nobody was

23:04 hiding would be a rooftop 125 yards away from the stage, right?

23:09 The the and then the golf course one which I still find I scratch my head about.

23:13 This is somebody who hid in a bush at a spot

23:17 on Trump's own golf course where he regularly played where

23:20 the media would go to that very spot because it

23:23 gave them ironically the cleanest shot of the president playing golf.

23:27 And if it hadn't been for one Secret Service agent who

23:29 spotted the barrel of this rifle coming out of the bush,

23:32 Trump would probably been killed that day.

23:34 And now third time you have this guy fired at him then, missed him.

23:38 The only reason we caught him was because a woman

23:41 in the parking lot wrote down his license plate number.

23:46 The guy had the car [laughter] drove away and was like 50 miles away.

23:49 This is incom- I'm surprised it's infuriating that nobody's talking about this.

23:55 I agree.

23:55 The the point to finish my point okay,

23:58 you got the rooftop would be the first place you'd check.

24:00 That part of his golf course would be

24:02 the second place you'd check, but they didn't.

24:04 And and here you've got a a guy who's checked

24:07 himself into the hotel on the Friday armed to the teeth.

24:12 And you're like how how is that even possible?

24:15 This is where you're wrong.

24:16 Let me give you an example.

24:17 I wish I had said I go to the Atlanta Braves baseball team,

24:22 Major League Baseball.

24:23 My kids are monster fans.

24:25 I'm a fan.

24:26 There is a hotel with rooms that overlook the stadium.

24:30 The Atlanta Braves security comes and checks the rooms to make sure

24:35 you don't have guns in those rooms before every Atlanta Braves baseball game.

24:42 How the hell do the Atlanta Braves have

24:43 better security than the president of the United States?

24:47 They didn't go around to the hotel rooms and check and see,

24:50 "Hey let me make sure that there's no one with guns

24:53 or God forbid bombs staying in this hotel." It's it's crazy to me.

24:58 Yeah.

24:58 Piers, let me say one other thing about this that I think is really shocking.

25:02 And I hope there's bipartisanship on this.

25:05 This is the problem with government work and bureaucracy.

25:09 The Secret Service should be the best of the best.

25:13 There has been far too much DEI in there.

25:16 It puts Democrats at risk when they're at leadership.

25:20 I'm going to say you can argue that the Okay.

25:24 I'm going to I'm going to go back to They should not exist.

25:30 We should have the baddest ass special force badasses on the planet.

25:34 We should have the best of the best

25:36 and and and there is data that backs up what I'm saying

25:40 that we had far too much DEI in hiring not

25:42 only at the Secret Service but also at the FBI.

25:45 And we had people that should never have been in positions of power there.

25:48 Now, I say this as someone that there's Secret

25:50 Service that's still protecting every living president including Democrats.

25:55 It is far too easy to get close

25:56 to a Democrat and or Republican former president,

25:59 current president, their family members.

26:02 And and there needs to be a massive overhaul.

26:04 I don't want anyone Barack Obama Joe Biden Bill Clinton the list goes on to have

26:11 this be this easy to go after a president of the United States of America.

26:15 And part of this is clearly a massive failure.

26:19 And it's because of bureaucracy.

26:21 You should have the best of the best.

26:22 They should be the I mean SEAL Team Six should be

26:25 immediately the first that you think of to come in here.

26:28 You're dealing with terrorists around the world

26:30 and you're dealing with these types of individuals.

26:32 And what you have is a bureaucratic agency

26:35 that should look nothing like a bureaucratic agency.

26:38 So I hope that Democrats and Republicans will say together this has got to be

26:42 changed because this is far too many shots being taken at a current president.

26:46 And by the way there will be a Democratic president.

26:49 I want them to have the baddest ass people around them.

26:52 No matter who they are.

26:54 And if you guys get a Kamala Harris in there I want them to be safe as they

26:57 can possibly be everywhere they go including their staff

27:01 including their cabinet members including the vice president.

27:04 I don't care about politics.

27:06 They need to be safe and clearly right now there's a massive lapse.

27:09 Can I can I can I jump in here for a second because I Okay.

27:13 Okay.

27:14 Mine not his first then say yeah.

27:16 Yeah, I mean look I I agree that the Secret Service should

27:18 be the best of the best and I think we should wait

27:20 to find out what actually happened instead of making assumptions based

27:23 on the limited information that we have right now about what happened Saturday.

27:28 Congratulations.

27:29 Congratulations.

27:29 You can look at a video Ben, but Donald Trump and the rest of the administration

27:32 are saying the Secret Service did their job.

27:34 So why Before you guys do what you always do, you blame it on DEI.

27:38 When the plane crashed just a few weeks

27:40 after Donald Trump was inaugurated, I was in D.C.

27:42 that day.

27:43 They blamed it on DEI too.

27:44 So it's just ridiculous.

27:46 Let's figure out what actually happened and then make a determination.

27:50 They fired five times Mike and missed him.

27:52 And may have hit another Secret Service agent.

27:55 They may have only captured him because he tripped and fell.

27:57 Why don't you just wait and let the people whose job it is to figure out what

28:00 happened actually figure it out instead of just making

28:02 an assumption and going back to the talking points.

28:05 Like it's just it's ridiculous.

28:06 Let law enforcement do their and let them make their is not a talking point.

28:10 Us wanting to protect Democratic is not a talking point.

28:14 The problem is you guys want to make assumptions about everything.

28:17 Like it's JUST IT'S BUT MIKE MIKE WAIT WAIT WHAT GRADE

28:22 WOULD YOU GIVE THE SECRET Service over the last two years?

28:25 Would you give them an A or a B or a C?

28:29 No no no no no.

28:29 I wouldn't give them an A.

28:30 I'm not saying the Secret Service is doing a good job,

28:32 but I want I don't know what I would give them.

28:35 I don't have access to the information.

28:37 The guy on THE ROOF A GUY ON THE ROOF SHOOTING the president and no

28:40 one watching that roof you can't grade that as an This is why I DEI.

28:46 YOU GUYS ARE OBSESSED WITH NO, YOU SEE YOU'RE BLAMING IT ON DEI.

28:49 YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO BACK that up.

28:50 It's just lazy.

28:51 guys have the same three talking points.

28:53 Like it's just so unbelievably lazy.

28:55 Get some new material.

28:57 How would you fix it What would you call Educate Tell me

28:59 why what you would do to explain it what happened in Butler

29:03 what happened the other night what happened where people go to take

29:07 pictures the damn place they take pictures of president playing golf.

29:10 What Teach me.

29:12 Tell me in Listen how would you fix it then?

29:15 No.

29:16 Ben clearly there were breakdowns in security

29:18 and they should be fixed by people who

29:19 know what the hell they're talking about not

29:21 four political commentators on Piers Morgan's YouTube show.

29:23 That's the point that I'm making.

29:24 You come on here with a cheap political talking point to blame

29:27 it on DEI when you don't know anything that's going on.

29:29 You don't know anything about security.

29:31 Clay doesn't know anything about security neither do I.

29:33 Stop making assumptions.

29:34 I SAW WOMEN ON STAGE TO BE HONEST OKAY GUYS DONALD Trump talk away.

29:40 Donald Trump talk away.

29:41 should be in charge of You want SEAL Team Six to do that.

29:44 SEAL Team SEAL TEAM SIX'S JOB.

29:46 SEAL TEAM SIX'S JOB IS TO GO out there and kill bad guys.

29:49 That's what they're trained to do.

29:50 Their job is not to protect the president of the United States.

29:53 badasses.

29:53 Why would you not want the best people to protect and kill people?

29:58 going out there and killing evil people.

30:00 I want them to go find Bin Laden.

30:01 You don't want them to protect THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?

30:03 AMAZING.

30:04 Let me jump in.

30:04 Let me jump in, please.

30:05 I want to bring in Cenk,

30:06 who's been waiting unusually patiently, because this segues Cenk for me.

30:10 And by all means join in that debate.

30:13 But it also segues into this debate about left-right political violence.

30:17 Now, the Center for Strategic and International

30:20 Studies reported last September that in recent years the US has seen an increase

30:25 in the number of left-wing terrorism attacks and plots.

30:28 And in fact, for the first time in many years,

30:31 2025, in fact the first time in 30 years,

30:35 was the first year when left-wing terrorist

30:37 attacks outnumbered those from the violent far right.

30:41 So, let's not get into, you know, who's worse.

30:44 Let's just say there's been a lot of political violence on both sides.

30:48 But why is political violence from the left surging in the way that it is?

30:53 And I was particularly concerned about this guy's twisted manifesto,

30:57 because there were no red flags about him,

30:59 no criminal record, nothing to suggest any violence in him at all.

31:04 He's a teacher.

31:05 He just won an award few months ago, right?

31:08 What would have driven this guy?

31:09 And then you read the rhetoric of his manifesto,

31:12 as he put it, and you're seeing I'm talking points.

31:16 You're seeing a lot of the talking points that are drummed

31:19 out on the left quite regularly have somehow permeated into his brain,

31:24 a substantial brain by all accounts, very smart guy,

31:28 and they've made him get a train right across America,

31:31 book himself into a hotel,

31:33 and then and then try and attempt mass murder,

31:36 which is what was on his on his mind.

31:38 I And my question for you, Cenk,

31:39 is park right-wing political violence to one side for a moment.

31:44 I'm not pretending they don't have a similar issue,

31:46 and that it hasn't been worse historically in the last 30 years.

31:49 Focus just for this on this particular guy and coming off the back of a year

31:55 where left-wing political violence has overtaken right-wing

31:59 violence for the first time in three decades.

32:01 What is happening here, and how do we stop it?

32:06 Yeah, I I reject all of the framing in this conversation.

32:10 So, but let me address the the heart of the matter

32:12 and then this nonsense talking point that Ben had.

32:15 Um so, number one, I abhor violence.

32:18 Political violence is intellectual surrender.

32:21 That's saying I'm pathetic, I don't know how to win a debate,

32:24 so I'll resort to being a savage and doing uh violence or terrorism instead.

32:30 So, I hate it on the right, I hate it on the left.

32:33 Uh and if you're a person who is for peace, especially if you're on the left,

32:37 and our movement is for peace and non-violence, well,

32:40 then if you do violence, by definition, you're not one of us.

32:43 Okay, we banish you,

32:44 and you don't represent a single person other than your stupid ass.

32:49 Okay?

32:50 So, now I won't put right-wing violence aside,

32:53 because as you just said, historically,

32:56 right-wing violence has been much more severe.

32:58 But that's okay.

32:59 I'm not trying to blame people.

33:00 I'm trying to get past it.

33:02 Okay?

33:02 For both sides, for God's sake, what is violence going to solve?

33:06 All it's going to create is more violence.

33:09 And why are we killing each other?

33:10 This doesn't make any sense at all.

33:12 We should be resolving this in an American way,

33:14 and that's through debate and politics

33:16 and winning the day through your arguments.

33:19 So, and and both sides have gotten out of hand.

33:23 But who on the left are there people egging on violence?

33:27 I literally never see that, right?

33:29 That doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

33:32 And now I'm disheartened to see people on the left doing it.

33:36 On the right, we all know Donald Trump has historically said violence is great,

33:40 that you should beat up people who he

33:41 disagrees with, and he'll pay the legal costs.

33:44 And Donald Trump isn't encourages kind of rhetoric from day one.

33:48 And and I don't think it's healthy.

33:49 I don't think it's healthy for him or for anyone else.

33:52 Now, I do think Well, hang on.

33:55 Hang on.

33:55 Hang on.

33:56 Hang on.

33:57 Hang on.

33:57 On that point I know I know it's relevant to what you just said,

34:00 cuz we actually have a mashup of Donald

34:03 Trump talking in the way that you're describing.

34:06 Let's just watch this.

34:07 Knock the crap out of them, would you?

34:09 Seriously.

34:12 [cheering] Okay?

34:12 Just knock the hell I promise you I will pay for the legal fees, I promise.

34:17 And we have the enemy from within.

34:19 And the enemy from within, in my opinion,

34:21 is more dangerous than China, Russia, and all these countries.

34:24 Now, if I don't get elected,

34:26 it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole That's going to be the least of it.

34:30 It's going to be a bloodbath for the country.

34:31 For those who have been wronged and betrayed,

34:34 of which there are many people out there that have been wronged and betrayed,

34:37 I am your retribution.

34:39 We will take care of them.

34:43 [cheering]

34:41 We pledge to you that we will root out the communist, Marxist, fascist,

34:48 and the radical left thugs that live

34:50 like vermin within the confines of our country.

34:53 You know what they used to do to guys

34:55 like that when they were in a place like this?

34:57 They'd be carried out on a stretcher, folks.

35:01 Like to punch them in the face, I'll tell you.

35:03 She's a radical war hawk.

35:06 Let's put her with a rifle standing

35:07 there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay?

35:10 Let's see how she feels about it.

35:12 You know, when the guns are trained on her face.

35:15 You know, they're all war hawks when they're sitting

35:17 in Washington in a nice building saying, "Oh, gee willikers,

35:20 let's uh send let's send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy." Now,

35:28 now that substantiates the point you're making, uh Cenk.

35:34 Yeah, you see, look, that that is so unhelpful, including the Donald Trump.

35:39 There's one clip in there that isn't quite right.

35:41 The bloodbath clip was about the economy, not about violence.

35:45 Uh but the rest of it is purely about violence.

35:47 And in fact, that last one was a rhetorical shot at chicken hawks.

35:52 And so, if he just left it at they're hypocritical, there's no problem.

35:57 But now, look at what he said.

35:58 If they're going to send in troops to the Middle East,

36:01 they should have guns pointed at their face.

36:02 Now, he's sending in troops to the Middle East,

36:05 and that's why you shouldn't talk like that, cuz it encourages violence overall.

36:09 Now, to the Secret Service, look, guys,

36:11 they've had tremendous failures, and I have a ton of questions.

36:15 And a lot of people on the left

36:16 and the right have a ton of questions about their performance,

36:19 including, by the way, the guy who failed miserably in Butler,

36:23 Pennsylvania, the head of the Secret

36:26 Service in that particular location and date,

36:30 has now been promoted to the head of the Secret Service.

36:32 That is a very curious, bizarre thing.

36:34 And by the way, if you listen to Ben talk,

36:36 you would think that the Secret Service is all minorities and women.

36:39 No, it's overwhelmingly white males.

36:42 So, I don't Why are you blaming white males and Is that your problem with DEI,

36:46 that we're hiring too many white people or too many men?

36:49 So, the guy who got promoted is also a white male.

36:51 I think the real question isn't

36:53 this distraction about identity politics and culture wars.

36:56 The real question is what the hell is going on?

37:00 Why did they let him take that shot in Butler?

37:02 Why did they move the photographers into place to get the exact right shot?

37:06 There's a lot of people on the right as well as the left going that Butler,

37:09 Pennsylvania, shooting makes no sense at all.

37:12 And we're not saying we know who did it and what what happened.

37:15 What we're asking is why isn't

37:17 our government care about shooting of the president?

37:20 Why doesn't Trump care?

37:21 Trump never talks about it.

37:23 Normally, Trump would be going crazy about what a hero he is, etc.

37:27 When I when I talk about bureaucracy and DEI, it's not just women.

37:30 There's social promotion of men of certain

37:34 whether it's skin color or political beliefs.

37:36 You've made that The Secret Service is overwhelmingly white males.

37:40 So, like, is it I I Let me at least finish what I'm saying.

37:43 If you're getting promoted because you're a bureaucrat,

37:46 because you're a liberal white guy, okay?

37:49 I think there's DEI for liberal white guys in the Secret Service.

37:54 I MIGHT GOD, IT'S THERE'S NO BALANCE OF REASON.

37:57 I BELIEVE I absolutely believe that you guys are getting creamed

38:02 I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to finish my point.

38:05 I'm going to finish what I was saying.

38:06 Nothing but culture war crap.

38:10 I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to finish my point.

38:13 I didn't interrupt you on when you were saying I listened to what you said.

38:16 I didn't interrupt Okay.

38:22 So, let me finish my point.

38:23 I'm literally I'm literally going to finish what I said,

38:28 and I'll go back to the core point here.

38:30 If you run the Secret Service the way it's being run now,

38:33 it will continue to be a failure.

38:35 There needs to be a massive overhaul

38:37 of the Secret Service for Democrats and Republicans.

38:40 The way that it's being done now is not working.

38:43 When you've got a guy that can run through, have multiple shoot at him,

38:46 and he not get hit by what's supposed to be the best

38:49 security force for a president of the United States of America,

38:52 whether they're Democrat or Republican,

38:53 and he can run right through the damn metal detectors,

38:57 and then get shot at, and no one shot at him.

38:58 The only thing that saved him from being killed, I guess,

39:02 is that he fell down and saved people's lives in that room.

39:06 Like, let's not act like the Secret Service above reproach here.

39:09 And there has to be a moment where we

39:11 say No one is saying that they're above reproach.

39:15 Ben, nobody is saying that the Secret Service failed.

39:17 You're just making it about stupid identity politics, cuz it's all you have.

39:21 in.

39:21 Let me jump in.

39:22 Let me jump in.

39:22 I I want cuz we've got a very slight delay from me to you guys,

39:25 so I just want to make sure we we can get to other stuff here.

39:29 Clay, obviously Trump says a lot of incendiary things.

39:33 And you know, his language about Iran, for example, you know,

39:37 talking about wiping out the whole country and all that kind of thing.

39:39 All of that is what I would categorize

39:41 as unnecessarily over the top political violent rhetoric.

39:46 And all of it permeates down to disturb minds in some way.

39:50 I I'm a firm believer in that.

39:52 I do think that people calling Trump Hitler and a Nazi and all the rest of it,

39:56 that to the deranged mind always sends a signal.

40:01 He was Hang on.

40:04 Hang on.

40:04 Hang on.

40:05 Uh this is for Clay.

40:06 But my point is that I think it works on both sides.

40:09 I think incendiary violent kind of rhetoric or massively over

40:13 the top exaggerated rhetoric like Trump's a Nazi or Hitler.

40:17 To the deranged mind,

40:18 it's like a signal to them to go and deal with that problem then.

40:22 If he's really the new Hitler, we've got to kill him.

40:24 It's a public duty.

40:25 Um and that brings me to the Jimmy Kimmel uh

40:29 saga where the just to remind people what he said.

40:32 I think we've got the full clip here.

40:35 Our first lady Melania is here.

40:37 Look at So beautiful.

40:39 Mrs.

40:39 Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow.

40:43 Obviously was a joke about their age difference and the look

40:48 of joy we see on her face every time they're together.

40:51 It was a very light roast joke about the fact

40:53 that he's almost 80 and she's younger than I am.

40:55 It was not [laughter]

40:57 by any stretch of the definition a call to assassination and they know that.

41:04 Now for what it's worth,

41:05 my thoughts about the Kimmel thing are that I didn't think the joke was funny.

41:10 I found his his his explanation a bit torturous,

41:13 but I do think that the right has to be careful it doesn't

41:16 fall into the same trap it has always accused the left of doing,

41:19 which is wanting to cancel comedians for jokes.

41:22 You may not like it.

41:23 It's tasteless and so on.

41:24 And he didn't say it in the aftermath of of this shooting, obviously.

41:28 Um but at the same time, uh Clay, uh it it plays [clears throat] into this whole

41:34 debate that everyone's having about violent rhetoric.

41:37 And I would say that Kimmel's a hypocrite because he

41:40 wouldn't have said that about Michelle Obama or about Jill Biden.

41:44 He wouldn't.

41:45 He wouldn't have done that joke.

41:46 And he could easily have done it about Jill Biden.

41:48 Exactly the same joke.

41:49 When it was obvious that Joe Biden was

41:52 a walking zombie and Jill's a lot younger than him.

41:55 He never did.

41:56 So to me, it it highlighted the ongoing

42:00 issue that I have with the late night guys, which is that to a man,

42:04 uh and the irony is always never lost on me

42:07 that for the guys that bang on most about DEI,

42:10 they're all middle-aged white guys.

42:12 Uh that they to a man, they skew to the liberal left and they

42:17 have a double standard that drives what they do.

42:20 But I don't think he should be canceled and I think

42:22 it's dangerous for the conservative right to call for him to be

42:26 canceled or to put pressure on Disney or whatever it may be

42:30 because that's exactly what they've always accused the woke left of doing.

42:35 Your thoughts?

42:37 Yeah, look, the punchline is Melania hates President Trump

42:40 and is going to be excited when he actually dies,

42:43 whether it's of old age or whether it's because somebody killed him, right?

42:47 I don't think that's a very good punchline.

42:48 I don't think it's particularly funny joke and I agree with you, Piers.

42:51 Never would have been said about said about Michelle Obama,

42:54 Laura Bush or um uh or certainly Jill Biden.

42:58 Now they probably would push back and say, "Well,

43:00 they actually love their husband." But then you're getting into why

43:03 the joke wasn't funny because if you have to explain humor,

43:06 uh it loses its punch.

43:08 I would not fire Jimmy Kimmel.

43:09 I defended him uh when he made the last uh tasteless joke, so-called.

43:14 Um look, I have a dark sense of humor.

43:17 I'm in favor of tasteless jokes.

43:19 Um I'm in favor of uh of humor in general.

43:23 Uh I think uh we're all better when we laugh more.

43:26 Uh what I would do, Piers,

43:28 if you're asking me how I would respond to this, we got a new CEO of Disney.

43:32 I would actually defend Jimmy Kimmel by setting

43:35 forth the new precedent and that is we're not going to fire people for jokes

43:39 or because uh the cancel culture comes for them.

43:42 I've got two examples recently inside of Disney that I

43:46 think would make a lot of sense, maybe three.

43:48 Uh one, I would rehire Roseanne.

43:51 Uh let her do a comedy special.

43:52 Say, "Hey, we didn't make a good decision when we fired her over a joke,

43:56 whether we liked it or not." I would also go

43:58 back I don't know if you ever watch it, The Bachelor.

44:01 They fired Chris Harrison for defending uh someone going

44:05 to a a party back when they were in college.

44:07 He'd been on the show for 20 years.

44:09 I would bring him back.

44:10 I know they got their own issues right now

44:11 with The Bachelor or Bachelorette over throwing chairs and everything else.

44:15 Uh and then I know they kind of said

44:16 this, but I would say it even more publicly.

44:18 They fired Gina Carano from the show The Mandalorian for so-called

44:22 conservative posts relating to uh to her opinions on Instagram.

44:26 I would set a new precedent and that would

44:28 be we're going to be wide open creatively.

44:31 Sometimes creative people are going to say things

44:33 that people of a variety of perspectives find offensive,

44:36 but that's the job of being in creative business.

44:38 So um I would defend Jimmy.

44:41 I'd defend Roseanne.

44:42 I'd defend uh Chris Harrison.

44:44 I I don't want anybody getting canceled for actual opinions.

44:46 Now acts where you commit acts of violence,

44:49 things like that, that's very different.

44:51 Uh but uh I that that would be my perspective on it and I

44:54 think conservatives should try to get their humor to be making poor choices.

44:57 All right, but before I go before I go to the others,

44:59 I'll come to you, Mike, next.

45:00 Before I go to the others, Clay,

45:01 do you accept that that Donald Trump should dial down his rhetoric?

45:05 I mean, that was the point that Kimmel made with with Melania.

45:10 If you want to start you Melania was obviously

45:12 very upset about it and I totally understand it.

45:14 Um but she made the point, you know,

45:17 that that uh it shouldn't have said it, blah blah blah.

45:20 And Kimmel replied, "Well, the the reality of this joke is that uh

45:27 it was a joke and you should just accept it.

45:30 Uh and and if you want to start with rhetoric which is not very nice,

45:33 start with your husband." Right.

45:35 So do you accept that Donald Trump's own rhetoric doesn't really give him

45:39 the bragging rights or the high moral ground when it comes to this issue?

45:44 Well, look, I think Trump's jokes and Trump's uh

45:47 often bull in a china shop uh vocabulary and way

45:50 to uh express himself should be of anyone who

45:54 should be more in favor of wide expression, it's Trump.

45:56 And look, Piers, I doubt this is ever going to happen.

45:59 I think Jimmy Kimmel should have Donald Trump

46:01 on as a guest and I think he should talk to him like late night hosts used

46:06 to talk to the president of the United States.

46:08 I I don't tune in to Jimmy Kimmel

46:10 to see him try to analyze uh geopolitical issues.

46:14 Uh back in the day, do you remember when Fallon went on and kind of rubbed

46:17 Trump's hair and everybody ripped Jimmy Fallon

46:19 and since that point there's been a political war.

46:24 Yeah, it was it was actually what TV should be, by the way.

46:30 Let me come to Mike Nellis.

46:31 I mean, I remember when Greg Gutfeld went on Jimmy Fallon,

46:34 I think it was, wasn't it?

46:36 Um was it was it Fallon or was it Kimmel?

46:39 It was Kimmel.

46:40 And and it was it was it was Kimmel.

46:42 Whichever one it was, but it was Fallon It was it was Fallon.

46:48 And and it was deemed a huge controversial moment that a conservative

46:52 at a Fox News comedian would be on a late night show.

46:55 And I remember scratching my head going,

46:57 "Well, there, right there is the problem.

46:59 Right there." Right?

47:00 The fact that Greg Gutfeld is a hilariously funny guy,

47:03 has is the number one guy in the ratings

47:06 on cable news both at the 5 and his own show.

47:09 The idea that his appearance on a late night show

47:11 in America would be deemed remotely controversial because they skew so left.

47:16 I think somebody New York Post did a a check of how

47:19 many right-wing guests Jimmy Kimmel had after the last thing he had.

47:23 And it was about one in four years.

47:25 I mean, it's ridiculous.

47:26 So there is a genuine bias genuine bias

47:30 that is inherent in those late night shows,

47:33 Mike, which I think does them all a disservice.

47:35 I I loved it with I used to go on Jay

47:37 Leno or I went on David Letterman or whatever it was.

47:41 And they were all impartial guys.

47:43 They just had everybody on.

47:45 What's happened to that?

47:47 Well, I I want to uh start by giving Clay a little bit of praise for being

47:50 ideologically consistent on comedy because a lot

47:53 of his fellow MAGA influencers are not and I

47:55 just appreciated anytime somebody's actually being consistent

47:58 on their values because I also have a dark

48:00 sense of humor and I like a good joke and I don't really care for Kimmel.

48:03 I never really tune into his show.

48:04 I was more of a Conan guy when I actually stayed up that late.

48:07 But I think this whole thing is silly.

48:09 Now the one thing I will push back on just a little bit is like comparing

48:12 what Jimmy Kimmel said to like Roseanne Barr

48:14 and and Gina Carano whatever her last name is,

48:16 I apologize, but like Roseanne Barr tweeted a racial

48:18 slur against Valerie Jarrett that was highly offensive.

48:21 It was not a joke.

48:22 It was like a sincere comment that was frankly very offensive.

48:25 And Gina compared her compared being a Republican to being a Holocaust survivor.

48:28 So it's just a little bit different and I think

48:30 that's why they got fired and it isn't about comedy.

48:33 It's about you say something stupid, your employer can fire you.

48:36 That's true whether or not you're a comedian.

48:37 It's also true if you're one of the idiot liberals

48:40 who was celebrating Charlie Kirk's assassination a few months ago.

48:42 You can be fired by your employer for saying something stupid.

48:45 Now a lot of this is is very much in in bad faith.

48:48 I I agree that probably liberal shows

48:51 could do a better job of having conservatives on that we can all do a better

48:54 job of having real conversations which to your credit,

48:56 Piers, like you brought on two liberals, you brought on two conservatives.

48:59 We're having a conversation.

49:00 Sometimes it's unpleasant.

49:01 We could do a lot more of that and I don't

49:03 have a problem with Donald Trump going to do Jimmy Kimmel's show,

49:05 but Trump would never do Jimmy Kimmel's show.

49:07 I mean, he only agreed to do the White House Correspondents Dinner this weekend

49:10 because they wouldn't invite a comedian and it used to be an event where

49:13 the whole purpose was the President of the United States would sit and take

49:16 his lumps from a comedian whether or not it was Barack Obama or George W.

49:19 Bush.

49:20 So we've kind of gotten away from that and I

49:22 think I would take going back to like what Clay said

49:24 earlier about the signs that were outside the White House Correspondents

49:27 Dinner about killing the president and killing everybody who was there.

49:30 It's disgusting.

49:30 Like people should not say that.

49:31 They should not put that on a sign.

49:33 But I would take those criticisms

49:35 with a grain of salt because they're not willing

49:37 to call out the president of the United States for the things that he said.

49:39 And the president of the United States not that long

49:41 ago was calling Democrats terrorists and saying that they were

49:44 treasonous and then talking about how George Washington would have

49:46 hung Democrats for having opinions that are different than Donald Trump.

49:49 So, he invites this stuff.

49:51 He has moved the Overton window.

49:53 Plenty of people on the left do it too,

49:54 but the president of the United States is

49:55 the president of the United States and he continues

49:57 to use incendiary rhetoric that has created this moment

49:59 in time that we're in more than anybody else.

50:01 Here's let me let me say this.

50:03 Okay, I've got I've got to leave it there.

50:05 I'm sorry.

50:06 It's victim blaming.

50:07 You've got 20 seconds, Ben.

50:08 It's victim blaming.

50:10 This is this is the problem with Jimmy Kimmel and with so many.

50:14 Every single time someone tries to kill Donald

50:17 Trump there is this rhetoric afterwards like well,

50:19 I mean you could kind of it should expect

50:21 it because Donald Trump said X, Y, and Z.

50:23 Like Jimmy Kimmel the other night the audience

50:26 was clearly laughing not at an age joke.

50:29 And by the way, Jimmy Kimmel if you're being funny and you make a mistake,

50:32 you can tweet out you made a mistake.

50:34 You don't have to wait till Monday to correct it.

50:36 And he didn't correct it.

50:37 He doubled down and came up with an excuse.

50:39 Nobody thinks Jimmy Kimmel was trying to be violent.

50:42 Can we skip this crap?

50:44 This is obviously Obviously obviously obviously

50:48 has the definition of Trump derangement syndrome.

50:50 He hates President Trump.

50:53 He hates President Trump.

50:55 It was a joke about him being killed.

50:57 And if you want to clarify it if This is TAKE YOUR PHONE OUT AND YOU

51:02 BE A REAL man and you go and in light of what happened 5 minutes ago,

51:07 my joke the other night was inappropriate

51:09 and I'm sorry that it was put out there.

51:12 You can fix it.

51:13 AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU GUYS want Donald Trump to die.

51:16 That's what it boils down to.

51:18 You have no problem with people taking SHOTS AT HIM.

51:31 YOU KNOW WHO WE NEED right now?

51:32 We need King Charles to intervene to bring There you go.

51:36 My hope my hopes we can replicate what happened in the circle

51:39 there appears have sadly sadly fallen at the last hurdle,

51:43 but thank you all very much.

51:44 I appreciate it.

51:46 Thank you.

51:46 Thanks, Piers.

51:48 See you.

51:49 Well, one of the many things that was expected

51:51 to overshadow this week's royal visit was the Epstein files.

51:53 The former Prince Andrew is of course the King's brother,

51:55 but in the event it barely registered.

51:58 Joining me now is Tara Palmeri.

51:59 She's the host of the Tara Palmeri show who's covered

52:01 the story exhaustively and extremely comprehensive and well, I might add.

52:06 Tara, welcome back to Uncensored.

52:09 King Charles has been criticized for not

52:11 meeting any of the Jeffrey Epstein victims.

52:13 My understanding was that Queen Camilla was quite keen

52:17 to do that and has spoken out about this before,

52:20 but they have been advised by lawyers that it would be

52:24 inappropriate for them to do so because of the ongoing police inquiries.

52:28 What what do you feel about this?

52:30 Would it have been a good thing for them to spoken

52:33 out or should they take legal advice and just honor that?

52:38 You know, I've heard mixed things.

52:39 I think, you know, the Epstein survivors are not being advised

52:42 by the same lawyers obviously and some of them would have liked to have

52:46 met with the King even if it was like a simple handshake

52:49 to observe to observe them because many of them were on the Capitol.

52:54 Um they were in the Capitol when he was giving his address to Congress.

52:57 But I think what this entire spectacle that we saw in Washington about obviously

53:05 stating the elephant in the room

53:07 that his brother is under investigation right now,

53:10 that he's been abused by middle class American girls of sexual abuse.

53:15 You know, it's created a sort of sense

53:17 that there is elite normalization going on right

53:19 now around the Epstein files and the Epstein

53:22 case and that's what we've seen all along.

53:26 You know, you have an attendance at a state dinner.

53:29 You have this garden party where you're

53:31 having members of both sides just fetting him.

53:34 Elite media, you know, enjoying being around the King and really there are some

53:40 unresolved moral issues going on with the monarchy and that institution.

53:45 And I think that if he did the very least address them,

53:51 whether it's in his speech or acknowledge them in comments or meet with them,

53:55 I think it would send a real sign to our leadership

54:00 in our country including President Trump who has some sort of, you know,

54:04 royal I guess you could call it fascination.

54:07 He seems to be very he seems to fantasize the idea of being a king himself.

54:14 As you saw from his two kings post,

54:15 I think it would send a really strong symbol to him that it's not

54:20 something that the rest of the world is ignoring and he's willing to let it,

54:26 you know, take up a new cycle in his own visit.

54:31 Yeah, I mean Lauren Boebert the congresswoman she

54:34 said this afterwards after the King's speech to Congress.

54:37 Let's take a listen.

54:39 Congresswoman, should the King be meeting with Jeffrey Epstein survivors?

54:42 Some of his the victims of Virginia Giuffre are here today in Congress.

54:46 You know, it's interesting.

54:47 Last night we were given a list of do's and don'ts

54:50 for the King by the speaker and we were told,

54:54 you know, no selfies, no touching, no hugging, no conversations.

55:00 And it really sounds like a list of don'ts you know,

55:03 for the royal family with victims more than members of Congress.

55:09 So, sounds like everything that his family's already done.

55:14 I mean it was a sharp point and some

55:17 people will have some empathy with that point,

55:21 but I think it's important to recognize that King Charles

55:24 has never faced any allegations of any involvement with Epstein.

55:28 It's nothing to do with him.

55:29 It's his brother who's been completely disgraced.

55:31 He should face in my opinion Andrew, investigators and authorities,

55:36 but is at the moment resisting that, but we'll see how that plays out.

55:39 There is this ongoing sense though, Tara,

55:42 that the UK has been getting his act together

55:45 about holding men to account over this Epstein scandal.

55:49 Lord Mandelson disgraced and investigated by police.

55:52 Andrew disgraced, arrested, and so on.

55:55 But we're not seeing that pattern in the United States.

55:58 You're seeing some men below the radar a bit

56:00 who are sort of being brought to account,

56:02 but none of the big high-profile names that have been

56:05 associated with Epstein have had the similar kind of public shaming,

56:09 police investigation, and so on.

56:11 Why is that?

56:13 I mean it seems like the public officials,

56:15 that's the problem in America is that our civil servants,

56:18 our public officials, our politicians, they haven't faced justice.

56:22 The only people who have actually paid, I guess you could say,

56:24 in their reputations or losing their positions are

56:27 people who work at various institutions like Larry Summers.

56:31 You saw Leon Black have to step down

56:33 from the board of the private equity firm he he founded.

56:38 Glenn Dubin.

56:38 There's just been, you know,

56:40 various various members of the media and of elite, you know,

56:45 financial institutions and and education that that have

56:51 set have had to pay some consequences,

56:53 but we haven't seen anyone in public life actually be investigated and that's

56:57 the difference between the United States and the rest of the world

57:01 frankly where they're actually opening they're

57:04 actually opening investigations into possible impropriety

57:08 between Epstein and members that now are in our cabinet that, you know,

57:12 even all the way to the top, President Trump.

57:14 But I just want to go back to the idea that, you know,

57:16 King Charles he made an impassioned plea to Congress,

57:21 you know, that we need to remember our humanitarian roots.

57:25 We have to defend democratic values.

57:28 And it's like there are so many accountability

57:31 questions hanging over his brother, over, you know,

57:35 over him and I know that in the UK you are actually investigating him,

57:40 but not for the crime of sexual abuse.

57:43 It's something completely unrelated.

57:46 And so it just feels like there's a bit of a mismatch there when he

57:50 comes to the United States and sort

57:52 of tries to appeal to our moral higher ground.

57:55 And yes, he should be because we are failing

57:57 in that place and in some ways the UK is doing better,

57:59 but I don't think we can just sort of say,

58:02 you know, I don't think we can give this one a pass.

58:05 And say this was just a successful visit.

58:09 And just finally, Tara, do you think we're going to see

58:11 the remaining 3 million documents in the Epstein files?

58:15 Because it does seem quite extraordinary that half

58:17 of half of the files just haven't been made public.

58:20 I mean, I can't think of anything less transparent.

58:23 Actually more than that, Piers, if you count the 40 terabytes of video.

58:29 I mean that would answer so many questions.

58:31 And we know from, you know,

58:33 we know from emails within the FBI that they're sitting on this.

58:37 And I don't know how we're ever going to get this without either whistleblowers,

58:42 maybe maybe some of the lawsuits against the DOJ will will stand,

58:46 but it's it's really it's it's it's really baffling and I don't know

58:51 that the next administration is going to want

58:54 to release them because everyone looks so bad.

58:58 And I think it would just place so much doubt

59:02 in the Department of Justice and create so much suspicion.

59:06 And I think it really reveals, you know, national security concerns, etc.

59:12 How is Epstein related to national security concerns?

59:15 Because that's why they're withholding those millions of documents.

59:20 Yeah.

59:21 Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

59:22 Tara, keep up your great work.

59:23 You've been doing brilliant investigative stuff on this and I appreciate it.

59:27 I'm sure lots of other people do, too.

59:29 Thank you very much for joining me.

59:30 Thank you.

59:34 Well, joining me now is Glenn Beck,

59:35 host of the Glenn Beck Program and founder of Torch.

59:38 Glenn, welcome back to Uncensored.

59:39 How are you?

59:40 Thank you very much.

59:40 Very good.

59:41 Very good, Piers.

59:42 Good to talk to you.

59:43 Did you feel Did you feel the warm glow of royal patronage yesterday as my king

59:49 Oh my god.

59:50 addressed both Congress and then then the state dinner?

59:53 I have to be real honest with you.

59:55 Don't like Charles.

59:55 Never have liked Charles.

59:57 Uh loved his mother.

59:59 Loved his what?

1:00:00 Mhm.

1:00:00 Grandmother, great-grandmother Victoria, she was fabulous.

1:00:04 Um him, not so much not so much.

1:00:07 I have great hope for uh for William and uh and Kate,

1:00:10 but you know, we're not I'm not a I'm not a king person.

1:00:14 It's It's amazing that we're marching here no kings,

1:00:17 but you got one and you're still getting the Yeah.

1:00:21 But there was the there was the irony, Glenn, wasn't there?

1:00:24 Of all the Democrats who've been marching about Oh.

1:00:27 no kings, then cheering on an actual king repeatedly [laughter] in Congress.

1:00:32 Yeah, it's not it's not irony, it's hypocrisy.

1:00:36 Um you know, but you know, there there are those and this is the thing, Piers,

1:00:41 that you know, I'm coming over for the Tommy

1:00:43 Robinson rally and I don't know what to expect.

1:00:47 Um and and I and I honestly say that because I'm you know,

1:00:52 I'm not even sure about my own countrymen sometimes.

1:00:55 The Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights is not the Magna Carta.

1:01:00 It Magna Carta was a good start, but we have something that is in totally

1:01:03 totally different and we don't just guarantee rights,

1:01:07 we guarantee the right of the individual.

1:01:10 And so many Americans don't understand that even.

1:01:15 Um you know, they're for this collective, you know, everything.

1:01:19 Um and that's not what our founders were for and I I I worry you know,

1:01:24 when I hear talk about the Magna Carta and stuff, it yeah, well,

1:01:27 you can still become a dictator and and Trump could

1:01:31 become a dictator if he doesn't concentrate on the Bill

1:01:34 of Rights and the founding document of all men are

1:01:38 created equal and we are as individuals, not a collective.

1:01:43 And I I don't know what to expect from England

1:01:46 or or Europe as we go into these scary times.

1:01:52 Well, then let's talk about Tommy Robinson then because I I saw that you posted,

1:01:56 I'm going to head to stand shoulder

1:01:58 to shoulder with Tommy Robinson at Unite the Kingdom

1:02:01 rally on May the 16th and said you were excited and proud to do so.

1:02:05 How much do you know about Tommy Robinson?

1:02:09 I think I know enough, but not as much as as you know.

1:02:13 Um I've seen him over the years change a great deal.

1:02:17 I think we all have.

1:02:18 Um and mature.

1:02:21 Um I know that he was he said himself he was very thuggish when he was young.

1:02:26 Um but I think he brings up um strong

1:02:28 warnings that are important for reasonable people to listen to.

1:02:35 But he is you know, his real his name isn't even Tommy Robinson.

1:02:38 His name is Stephen Yaxley Lennon.

1:02:40 He's got He's got convictions for assault.

1:02:43 He was a football hooligan, led a mob.

1:02:46 He uh was convicted of using a fake passport.

1:02:48 He's been done for mortgage fraud, contempt of court.

1:02:51 He's been in and out of jail for all sorts of different things.

1:02:54 And I've got a feeling that most of America most of the conservative right

1:02:58 on American side sort of either don't really know this about him or just are

1:03:03 prepared to turn a blind eye because they're kind of locked in and forgive

1:03:07 me if I don't want to include

1:03:08 you if you uh don't recognize this characterization,

1:03:12 but there's a growing sense.

1:03:13 I said it on Hannity show last night of Britain being overrun by Muslims,

1:03:18 overtaken, we're becoming an Islamic state and so on.

1:03:22 To which I say, well, we have 5% of our population is currently Muslim.

1:03:28 And I live in London, which is an incredibly multicultural city

1:03:32 with uh several million Muslims living in it.

1:03:35 I just don't recognize this this portrayal of my country

1:03:39 or my capital city as being overrun by Muslims.

1:03:42 But this is what Tommy Robinson wants America to think.

1:03:46 And he's over here all the time do doing podcasts

1:03:50 and interviews talking about the country being invaded, being overtaken.

1:03:54 Now, there are legitimate questions about immigration,

1:03:57 both legal and illegal, which I've absolutely agree with.

1:04:00 I also think, and I've said this before,

1:04:02 that Robinson was one of the louder voices calling out this absolute

1:04:07 disgrace of the grooming rape gangs and he was right to do so.

1:04:12 But Yes.

1:04:12 I'm not sure I'd be comfortable when even Nigel Farage,

1:04:15 head of the Reform Party here it would in the UK.

1:04:18 I'm in New York at the moment.

1:04:19 But but then even he doesn't stand shoulder to shoulder with Tommy Robinson.

1:04:24 Does that not give you pause for thought, Glenn Beck?

1:04:27 Sure, it it gives me pause for thought.

1:04:28 I've talked to Tommy.

1:04:30 I mean, he has told me all of the things that you just said.

1:04:33 He called himself a hooligan, said that he had made huge mistakes, etc.

1:04:36 etc.

1:04:37 Um but I I don't know what he's standing for that I would object to.

1:04:42 I mean, I'm a I'm a recovering alcoholic.

1:04:44 I've made huge mistakes in my life.

1:04:46 We all can make mistakes in our life.

1:04:48 Um but I I'm not sure you know, I cuz what I see here is an unequal

1:04:54 application to the law and a warning of Sharia law.

1:04:58 I don't have a problem with Muslims.

1:04:59 I don't have a problem with people coming into the country if you know,

1:05:03 as long as you want to become An America may be different.

1:05:06 I could move over to England and I'd never be an Englishman.

1:05:10 You can move over to America and adopt our country

1:05:13 and become a citizen and you will become an American.

1:05:16 Um it's so it's different and I want that, but I

1:05:19 don't want Sharia law and that that I think

1:05:22 is the warning that he is giving and the warning

1:05:25 that people should pay attention to all over the West.

1:05:28 You are seeing a group of people I just saw it was in Denmark,

1:05:32 48% of those who are living um as a as a newcomer and is Islamic,

1:05:40 48% want Sharia law.

1:05:42 That's incompatible with the West.

1:05:45 That's the warning that I think people should hear.

1:05:48 But I also want to be careful as I that's why I brought this up.

1:05:51 I want to be careful Mhm.

1:05:53 You can go wrong quickly if you get into us versus them,

1:05:58 you can go wrong quickly if you

1:06:00 are not understanding um universal individual rights.

1:06:07 We have to stand what kept America from going fascist

1:06:11 for so long has been we understand the individual right.

1:06:16 Um and and that I don't know how to judge in Germany

1:06:19 or Europe or any place else because you don't have That's bred into us.

1:06:24 We're losing it, but a lot of us still

1:06:26 have it bred right deeply into us that individual

1:06:29 strength uh and and love of individual rights that I

1:06:33 don't know if the rest of the country has.

1:06:35 I I mean, my my my issue with Robinson,

1:06:37 he refuses to come on my show cuz he knows I'm going

1:06:39 to ask him stuff he doesn't get asked when he does American shows.

1:06:43 And he knows he doesn't want to get into that cuz

1:06:45 it it might even send him back to prison cuz he he'll

1:06:47 he'll repeat lies where there are laws which are currently contempt

1:06:50 of court laws in the UK which he if he repeated them,

1:06:53 he'd go back to prison as he did before.

1:06:55 So, I think he's a charlatan.

1:06:58 Can I ask you a question?

1:06:59 Um And again, I'm not an expert on your laws and everything else,

1:07:02 but are you a little concerned about how many people

1:07:05 in your country are being arrested for freedom of speech?

1:07:10 I mean, you have I think it was 14,000 people in the last 2 years.

1:07:13 I mean, it's it's gravely concerning what's going on.

1:07:18 I've talked to that about that.

1:07:19 I think it is there's been a massive over done

1:07:23 response to people putting stuff on Facebook and whatever whatever.

1:07:26 And And it's inconsistent with our country saying they're

1:07:30 a country of free speech and then I mean,

1:07:31 I thought the worst one was Graham Linehan,

1:07:33 the comedian, who posted two trans jokes on X and then

1:07:38 months later got arrested by five armed police at Heathrow.

1:07:41 It was ridiculous.

1:07:42 Or the teacher in got thrown out.

1:07:45 Teacher in Ireland, I think, that is just I think got life in prison.

1:07:50 I mean, it's that's craziness.

1:07:52 That's craziness.

1:07:53 Well, there's some there are some absurd cases,

1:07:55 but I think that the thing about Robinson I don't like is that you know,

1:07:59 his recent stay in prison was nothing to do with free speech

1:08:02 and everything to do with the fact that he had lost a defamation case,

1:08:07 a libel case against with a Syrian refugee boy.

1:08:11 He won the case, won a six-figure sum in damages and there was

1:08:14 a contempt of court order put against

1:08:16 Robinson not to repeat his demonstrable proven lies,

1:08:21 which is why he lost the defamation case.

1:08:23 He then goes and makes this movie called Silence,

1:08:25 which is the one thing he never is,

1:08:27 and he repeated all the lies and then he got put

1:08:30 back in prison cuz he was in breach of contempt of court.

1:08:32 That's not a free speech issue.

1:08:34 That's someone spewing lies, being told, if you do it again,

1:08:37 you're going you're going to prison, and he does it again.

1:08:40 So, I I'm I'm not here to defend or defame uh him.

1:08:44 Um you know, let him speak for himself.

1:08:47 Uh I know I've asked him some of these questions and one of the things that he

1:08:50 did bring up that I thought was was

1:08:53 at least worth consideration is how many of these things,

1:08:57 because we've seen it in America, how many of these things are happening to you

1:09:00 because you're on the wrong side of power?

1:09:05 How much of that is actually righteous prosecution and how

1:09:10 much of that is prosecution because shut up and sit down?

1:09:14 And I don't know the answer to that.

1:09:15 Well, it's a legitimate No, no,

1:09:17 it's a legitimate question in all of these cases and I'm

1:09:19 sure there is an element of that with some people.

1:09:21 He is you know, he's a self-proclaimed sort

1:09:23 of enemy of of the establishment and so on.

1:09:26 Um I don't don't know.

1:09:28 I would feel uncomfortable, Glenn, because I I've got a lot of respect for you,

1:09:31 a lot of time for you.

1:09:32 I would just be slightly careful how close

1:09:34 your shoulder gets to his shoulder at this rally,

1:09:37 because there are some people that go to these things who are perfectly normal,

1:09:42 decent people that care about their country.

1:09:44 I've no doubt about that.

1:09:46 But, there are also some absolute hardcore genuine Islamophobic thugs.

1:09:52 And the reason I say that is if you if you ask somebody who asks Tommy Robinson,

1:09:55 here's the point I would make.

1:09:57 The vast majority of sexual uh crime in the UK is perpetrated by white men.

1:10:02 When was the last time Tommy Robinson ever alluded to any

1:10:06 of that on his social media platforms or his rallies?

1:10:09 It's always Muslim, Muslim, Muslim, Muslim, Muslim, Muslim.

1:10:12 As if the only people committing crimes in my country are Muslims.

1:10:17 And it's a grotesque mischaracterization of reality.

1:10:21 So, I I I will tell you, Piers, when you say, you know,

1:10:24 be careful who you you get close to, I would say that about anybody.

1:10:27 I think we all need to be very careful,

1:10:30 because in on both sides of the aisle in my own country,

1:10:33 it is starting to become there crazies on both sides.

1:10:37 Far more, I mean, Yeah.

1:10:38 a death cult now on the left.

1:10:40 You know, what happened over the weekend with the president, it's a death cult.

1:10:44 Yeah.

1:10:45 Uh but, there are crazies now starting to appear on the other side.

1:10:48 But, you can't you can't you have to be brave enough to say,

1:10:52 I am an individual, and this is what I believe.

1:10:55 And I I I plan on, you know, being in England to observe and to watch

1:11:00 and to speak um on what I believe is important.

1:11:03 And what I bring is a warning that individual rights,

1:11:08 this cannot be about religion.

1:11:11 And I'm not preaching to anybody in England.

1:11:13 In our own country, this is not about religion.

1:11:15 This is about a political force that wants to shut down freedoms.

1:11:21 That is a legitimate concern in Western culture and needs

1:11:25 to have legitimate airing and and discussion without hatred or name-calling.

1:11:33 Glenn, on that point, I 100% agree with you.

1:11:35 Always good to have you on Uncensored.

1:11:37 Good to talk to you.

1:11:37 And maybe see you in London.

1:11:39 Take care.

1:11:39 Take care.

1:11:40 Thanks, Piers.

1:11:40 Bye-bye.

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