American Conversations: Georgia Supreme Court Candidates Jen Jordan & Miracle Rankin

0:01 Hey everyone here from Gray, Tennessee and Westland, Oregon and Phoenix,

0:06 Arizona and Aurora, Colorado and Long Beach, California and Huntsville, Alabama.

0:10 Doylesstown, Pennsylvania, uh Virginia, furious in Virginia.

0:15 I'm with you on that one.

0:17 Rural Maine, San Francisco, Oregon, uh Lake Asiggo, Oregon.

0:22 I don't think we have yet a duplicate state.

0:25 Kyoga Falls, Ohio, Minnesota, St.

0:28 Paul, um, UK, that's not going to be a duplicate either.

0:33 Uh, Dacula, Georgia, and Scar Bro, Main.

0:36 There's our first double.

0:37 And that gives us, uh, a chance to jump into today's material.

0:41 Facebook is here as well as, um, the other channels on which we're broadcasting.

0:46 And I'm thrilled today to have the opportunity

0:48 to have a conversation with Miracle Rascin and Jen Jordan.

0:53 They are two attorneys who are running as challengers in the very

0:59 soon election in um in Georgia for the Supreme Court.

1:04 They are running to unseat two of the justices in uh the Georgia

1:09 Supreme Court in the election that's going to be held on May 19th.

1:13 So coming right up, which is why I wanted to get them in quickly.

1:16 Um so first of all, thank you very much for being here, Jen and Miracle.

1:21 Awesome.

1:22 Thank you so much for having us.

1:24 Thank you for having us.

1:25 Happy to be here.

1:26 I'm really excited about this because I've

1:28 been emphasizing for people for a long

1:31 time that so much of what happens in our democracy happens at the state level.

1:36 And I have focused on how easy it is,

1:38 for example, to buy and I don't mean in corruption,

1:41 but I mean with advertising and so on, to buy a state legislature,

1:45 but people are increasingly focusing on the state courts.

1:48 So, I wonder if you could start by telling us

1:51 about what's happening with the Georgia State Supreme Court race.

1:57 Yeah.

1:57 So, I'll jump in first and then I'll hand it over to Miracle.

2:01 So, for a long time, Heather, um it has really been the tradition

2:06 that uh Supreme Court justices are not challenged.

2:10 Um even though in the state constitution it says you

2:15 know they have to stand every six years for election.

2:19 Um and and it's staggered too.

2:21 So like this year there are three up in two more years there'll be three more.

2:26 Um so this is kind of a rolling thing.

2:28 They're not all up at the same time.

2:30 Um the problem with folks not challenging um sitting incumbents

2:36 is that when you have a state like Georgia which

2:39 is basically controlled by Republicans um you know executive

2:44 the legislative branch um then the governor appoints right these justices.

2:51 They're not challenged and you end up with a court that really

2:54 does not reflect um kind of where the people of this state are.

2:58 and and right now it's 8 to one um in terms of there's only one justice

3:03 currently on the Supreme Court that um stood

3:06 for election in order to get on there.

3:09 Um all others were appointed by the past two uh Republican governors.

3:14 And so that that's a real issue when you're talking about

3:18 a state um as diverse as the state of Georgia is,

3:22 but also um as divided in terms of the political spectrum, too.

3:27 We are we are not a homogeneous state when it comes to our political

3:32 views and um and kind of our ideologies

3:35 but unfortunately our state supreme court is.

3:40 So that actually is an a point I like to make with regard to Georgia.

3:44 I always say to people you shouldn't think about

3:46 states that are dominated by one party or another.

3:50 You should think about states that focus on voter suppression.

3:53 And Georgia is a great example of that.

3:55 And I say you can tell by whether or not they're taking away dropboxes,

3:59 which has been something that's happened in Georgia.

4:01 And the fact that Georgia currently has two Democratic senators,

4:05 but an 8:1 uh ratio on the Georgia State Supreme

4:09 Court suggests that something is off in terms of accurate representation.

4:14 Uh I bet you're on the same place with that miracle, right?

4:17 I am.

4:18 I do believe that the courts in Georgia should reflect

4:21 the people of Georgia because ultimately the judges on our courts

4:25 serve at the pleasure of the people and they're here

4:28 to uphold the rule of law and the constitution of our state.

4:31 So it's really important that we have

4:33 a court that is representative of all of Georgia, not just one subsection of it.

4:38 So, that's one of the reasons that I decided to step

4:41 up and run and Jen as well is that we

4:43 wanted to make sure we gave the people of Georgia

4:45 an option of who can serve on our state's highest court.

4:48 What we're seeing now more than ever is that at the federal level,

4:52 certain protections that we once had that were kind of the floor,

4:56 what we knew we could expect,

4:58 they're being taken away on daily, sometimes a monthly basis,

5:02 and it's being sent back to the states,

5:04 which will ultimately mean that every state may

5:06 look a little different with how they govern themselves.

5:09 And there are three branches of government, judicial being one of them.

5:12 And so, a lot of these things may ultimately come up to our state supreme court.

5:16 And right now, Georgia is in a very pivotal moment

5:19 of being able to decide what does that court look like?

5:22 Who do Georgians want to be on the court?

5:25 And so that's why this election is so important and that people get out and vote

5:30 and make that decision of how do they

5:31 want their court ultimately be to be composed.

5:35 So I love that and I also again really

5:37 want to emphasize that this election is not in November.

5:41 It's May 19th.

5:43 Um but I but I hope before we get

5:45 into the details of what exactly is coming up in front

5:48 of the Supreme Court in Georgia and elsewhere going forward

5:52 in the wake of the Louisiana B Cala decision for example.

5:55 Um I I would love it if you two would talk a little bit about something

5:59 that quite surprised me when we talked before

6:01 and that is when Georgia got a new state

6:05 constitution and what is in that because in my mind I really thought it would be

6:10 a constitution no more recent than the turn

6:13 of the last century and boy was I wrong.

6:17 Yeah, you want to start with that?

6:19 I'll I'll start.

6:19 Look, we the the constitution was completely rewritten in the early

6:24 80s and ratified um by voters in the state um in' 82.

6:30 It went into effect in 1983 and that is really really important in terms of any

6:37 kind of challenges that may um kind of bubble up in terms of the court.

6:41 So, you know, this whole idea of originalism that you have to go

6:44 back to uh the point in time when the words were used,

6:49 you know, in 1700 and stuff really that should

6:52 have no application here um in the state.

6:55 And it's it's that originalism that's really caused a lot of the problems

7:00 in terms of the regressive nature of the of the US Supreme Court now.

7:05 um in terms of that that's the approach

7:07 that Justice Thomas and Alo like all of them take.

7:11 I mean it it's basically you know the federalist society approach.

7:15 Um I think the problem that we have here on the court

7:18 is that we have justices that also um believe in that approach.

7:24 And so we've got a a constitution from the early 80s

7:28 um that they're kind of trying to pinhole into the 1700s.

7:33 Um, and that's just really not appropriate.

7:37 So, so this fascinates me because in 1982 when they rewrote that constitution,

7:42 we were of course just in the very earliest

7:45 days of the Reagan revolution and there are so many

7:48 protections in that period that were widely shared among people

7:52 of both parties um that we have lost since then.

7:56 It it actually seems to me to be a really interesting look at how

8:00 we could regain that middle ground

8:02 that was really quite widespread in 1982 1983.

8:07 The idea, for example, of the Voting Rights Act, which we've recently lost,

8:10 but also the idea of Row versus Wade, the protection of abortion rights.

8:14 The fact that you have a constitution from that era rather than

8:19 from the 1890s strikes me as being enormously important in this moment.

8:24 And I wonder, Miracle,

8:25 if you want to talk a little bit about what that might look like as the United

8:31 States tries to grapple with moving forward out

8:34 of this really seemingly regressive period in our history.

8:39 I think what it looks like is understanding the importance

8:42 of enforcing the constitution that we currently have and making

8:46 sure that it is applied in its most expansive sense

8:50 and providing the protections that are guaranteed underneath that constitution.

8:55 Um, rights to privacy is something that was recognized in Georgia.

8:59 We're one of the first states actually to recognize the right to privacy, right?

9:03 And that's guaranteed under our constitution.

9:05 There's so many guarantees that we have,

9:07 but you have to have individuals on the court

9:10 who are actually willing to read the Constitution for how

9:13 it's written and its current application and apply it

9:16 to the facts and the laws that are here in Georgia.

9:19 And that's why this race is so important now more than ever,

9:22 especially with us not having certain federal protections.

9:25 It's leaving it up to the states to make that determination

9:27 of what does our constitution say and what does it provide.

9:31 So the Georgia Constitution actually provides more

9:34 protections than the US Constitution, you know.

9:37 So some people see the US Constitution

9:40 as a floor and the Georgia Constitution is really

9:42 the ceiling when you come to the amount

9:44 of rights that are protected underneath our constitution.

9:47 But you have to have again individuals in place who are

9:50 willing to make sure that we stand up for the rule

9:52 of law and that the rules of law and the constitution

9:55 are being applied fairly and appropriately to every Georgian.

9:59 It should not matter who you are,

10:00 where you come from, what your political stance is.

10:03 The Constitution should be fairly applied and that has

10:06 to be done going forward now more than ever.

10:09 Well, one of you made the point the other

10:11 day that when we are looking at what it's

10:13 going to look like at a state level for voting

10:16 rights in the wake of Louis with Louisiana Bala,

10:20 we don't know what that looks like because in a number of states like Georgia,

10:24 uh that that since 1965 at least has been managed

10:28 by the federal government and now it's not going to be anymore.

10:31 And I think that's an really important point and I

10:34 I'm afraid I don't remember which one of you made that.

10:36 So whichever one of you is you know,

10:39 I'll just jump in because so this is the issue.

10:42 So all of the precedent,

10:44 let's say all of the cases that have dealt with challenges

10:47 have been in the federal court and have arisen under the VRA.

10:50 Um so with respect to Georgia state president,

10:54 there really isn't anything in terms of redistricting, right?

10:58 And and drawing lines and you know what are even the parameters around that.

11:03 And I think that one of the things that's super interesting about

11:06 the Georgia Constitution too in terms of what Miracle was saying is

11:09 that look while we have an express um right to vote like it

11:16 is expressed in the Georgia Constitution

11:18 that there is a fundamental right there.

11:20 Um so it that in and of itself kind of you know it puts it on a different level.

11:25 It's not inferred.

11:26 It's not implied.

11:27 it is expressed in the constitution and obviously um how lines are

11:32 drawn um can impact that fundamental right that everybody in this state has.

11:38 And so you know the state supreme court is really going

11:41 to be grappling with these issues because it is a blank slate

11:45 when it comes to um you know redistricting and and what

11:49 should happen um and how should the lines look or not look.

11:54 So when we think about Georgia right now, those of us who are from other states,

11:59 um there is a case to be made that what could what you are trying to do

12:03 in Georgia is similar to what uh those people

12:07 trying to protect democracy have accomplished in Wisconsin,

12:10 Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

12:12 And that is the reclaiming of the state supreme courts

12:16 from those radical right extremists who have taken them over.

12:19 Uh, do you want to talk a little bit about your hopes

12:21 for Georgia with that and what that means for the nation in general?

12:26 I'll start.

12:26 My hopes will be that we have a more balanced court.

12:29 The court shouldn't be far right leaning, far left lean.

12:32 It needs to be balanced so that we

12:34 can ensure that everyone is being equally protected.

12:37 We hear about equal justice under the law.

12:40 And for me, it became more of a lived experience

12:42 once I became a lawyer and had to advocate for people.

12:45 And I was able to see firsthand how some individuals aren't treated

12:49 the same in our court systems and that really should not be the case.

12:53 And so I think starting at the state's highest court to say let's bring balance

12:56 back to that bench because Georgia's courts

12:59 over the years have actually been well balanced.

13:02 It's just been over these last few decades that we've been seeing a shift.

13:06 And the only way that we'll be able to stop that shift, Heather,

13:09 is by having individuals who are bold and who

13:11 are willing to provide new voices uh and new

13:13 opportunities for the electorate to make that choice

13:16 of what do you want your court to look like?

13:19 And what I've been hearing the more that I've been out speaking with people

13:22 is they want to ensure that the court looks like all of Georgia.

13:27 that is diverse not just in ethnicity, not just in gender,

13:31 but also in perspectives and practice areas that you're

13:34 bringing to the court from an experience perspective.

13:37 All of those things are important and they matter now more than ever.

13:40 So, what I would love to see for the future

13:42 of Georgia is just a bench that is far

13:43 more balanced than what it is and one that people

13:46 can know that when they go before the court,

13:48 their rights will be equally protected.

13:50 they'll receive a fair opportunity to be heard from an impartial

13:53 bench that isn't leaning far too right but is well balanced.

13:58 Yeah.

13:58 And I think what we know too is

13:59 that when there are different um kind of ideologies, beliefs, principles,

14:06 backgrounds when when you have different people kind of come

14:09 together because really what the Supreme Court does it's decisionmaking.

14:13 And so when we talk about what is

14:15 the how do we get to the best decisions possible?

14:19 um you want diverse voices who come from different places but also

14:24 have different kind of opinions in terms of you know how should we

14:29 deal with this or how should we not and you know that's when

14:32 the best decisions are made is when you have a bunch of people

14:36 sitting down and kind of saying okay so what's your idea well

14:39 this is why I disagree I mean when you just have a court

14:42 that is basically an echo chamber right for a federalist society meeting you

14:47 know you're not going get the best decisions um that you can get.

14:52 And I think that with Miracle and I,

14:54 we'd make an incredible addition to the court because I

14:57 do think we come from a different background and we

15:00 have different experiences and we're really going to be

15:02 able to bring a very different perspective to the court.

15:06 Do you know I always think of it as crowdsourcing?

15:08 You know, you want all of those voices.

15:10 That doesn't mean they're all brilliant,

15:11 but it means that it does give you those other perspectives.

15:14 And one of the things you didn't mention there in the different perspectives

15:17 is one that seems to me to be extraordinarily important in this moment.

15:21 And that's that the people who are currently um running the the kinds of courts

15:26 you're talking about tend to be

15:29 in favor of policies that really concentrate wealth.

15:33 And the idea of having people willing to say,

15:35 "Hey, what's going to protect workers?

15:37 What's going to protect consumers?

15:38 What's going to protect the environment?

15:39 What's going to protect school children?" is

15:41 going to be a really important voice there.

15:43 That's fair, isn't it?

15:45 I think it's more than fair.

15:47 I mean, it should be a given.

15:49 I mean, that that is the that's the problem.

15:51 I mean, we're seeing at the US Supreme Court how regressive it is.

15:55 Look, Georgia doesn't have to be that way.

15:58 And, you know, this is a real opportunity again to put different

16:02 voices on the court that really do believe in putting the people first.

16:07 I mean, that's what everybody should should believe when they go on the court,

16:12 that they're there to serve the people.

16:14 Um, but unfortunately, when you're appointed by um,

16:18 you know, somebody who's politically powerful or or connected,

16:22 you know, or the wealthy, you know,

16:24 then that is probably where your um, loyalties are going to lie.

16:29 And I'd just add, Heather,

16:30 that um your loyalty needs to lie to the people of Georgia and getting

16:35 it right as it applies to applying the law and interpreting our Constitution.

16:41 I've been telling folks since I've been on this campaign trail

16:44 that I've been serving Georgia my entire life since I've been working

16:47 since I started working at 16 at a grocery store and I

16:50 only took one year off during law school because they made me.

16:54 And I think being of service to individuals across

16:57 the state at various levels gives you a different ear

17:01 um a different level of empathy and understanding how

17:04 the laws of our state truly affect people in practice.

17:08 And so that is more important now than ever

17:11 to have individuals who have backgrounds like Jen and I.

17:14 Um we don't come from means we work

17:17 for everything that we have accomplished in this life.

17:20 So we know what it means to actually pursue

17:22 the American dream and to go after it vigorously.

17:26 And so it would be very important for individuals

17:28 on the court to also see themselves, right?

17:31 To see what the court can look like that you

17:33 don't have to have um the relationships from your parents

17:38 or political connections in order to get to our state's

17:41 highest seat to represent the people of Georgia.

17:44 You can be a hard worker.

17:45 You can be fair.

17:46 and you can be truly concerned about getting it right every time.

17:50 And I know for myself that is something that I

17:52 will bring to the bench is that level of hard

17:54 work and dedication has gotten me to where I am

17:57 currently in my career and ensuring that every case that I

18:00 take up that it will be very important to me

18:02 and more so important in making sure that I'm getting

18:05 it right and doing everything that I can to ensure

18:07 that our constitution is being fairly applied to every Georgian.

18:11 But but this brings up another question that actually

18:14 really fascinates me and that's that you two

18:16 are both very successful attorneys who will be taking

18:21 a real hit in your lives for doing this.

18:24 Why why do you care about doing this?

18:26 Why are you the one stepping in?

18:28 Miracle, you want to just build from where you started there?

18:31 Absolutely.

18:32 So this is a conversation, Heather, that I've had with quite a few people.

18:35 Um you're a successful catastrophic injury lawyer.

18:39 you will be a become a public servant.

18:42 And part of what I've realized over the last few years

18:45 is that you can't just keep living in your comfort zone, Heather.

18:48 And just because it's comfortable for me does

18:51 not mean that Georgia is comfortable for everybody.

18:54 It is not.

18:55 And right now to see the progress that we need in our state,

18:59 you have to step outside of yourself and at times

19:03 give yourself to the people to serve them.

19:05 And that is what I'm doing just at a higher level.

19:08 I understand that that will come with my own level of personal sacrifice,

19:11 but I have young babies that I'm raising.

19:14 I have two children under 10 years of age.

19:16 And I sit back and as I'm looking at how things

19:20 are constantly being taken away at the federal level and I think,

19:23 what world are we leaving for our children?

19:27 That truly is of concern to me.

19:30 And I want to make sure that I'm leaving at least Georgia a better place,

19:33 not just for my children, but for the generations that come behind me.

19:37 and them.

19:38 And the only way that you can do that is to actually

19:40 be that change that you want to see in this world.

19:42 We can't just keep talking about it.

19:44 It's time to do something about it.

19:46 And so that's why I decided to put myself to the side

19:50 and to offer myself up to the people of Georgia to serve at this level.

19:55 How about you, Jen?

19:57 Yeah, I think it's just necessary.

19:59 Um, you know, I was in the state senate for five years.

20:04 you know, was there when Rudy Giuliani and the Trump

20:06 legal team came in to try to overturn the election.

20:10 Um, I went through the whole, you know,

20:13 prosecution process with with Trump in terms of being a witness.

20:18 Um, and things things are bad.

20:22 I mean, there are there are people out there that are not

20:24 good people who want to hurt this state and take away people's rights,

20:32 and they don't care.

20:33 I mean, they're not coming from a good place.

20:36 And from my perspective, look,

20:39 I want to make sure that my children are protected.

20:42 I want to make sure that the state is protected

20:44 and the and the people that I have served before are protected.

20:48 And to be quite frank,

20:50 I think some people serving on the court right now, the Georgia Supreme Court,

20:55 I don't trust that they are going to be able to have the backbone um to really

21:00 stand up um to the powerful interest um if we get to that point if there,

21:04 you know, are issues in terms of trying to take over elections

21:08 or another attempt to try to overturn a free and fair election.

21:12 Um it's just too important just to be comfortable

21:16 like Miracle said or just to think about yourself.

21:19 Um this is bigger than any one person or any two people.

21:23 Um this is really about the future of this state in this country.

21:28 This fascinates me because I really do feel

21:30 like we're watching a a huge change in America

21:34 right now and and I love that you are stepping up to be part of that change.

21:38 Just to be clear, if you two are elected on May 19th,

21:43 um that will put three people that are fighting back against

21:46 those trying to impose a certain kind of ideology on Georgia.

21:50 And then there will be another election two years beyond that which

21:54 would give a majority on the court to those trying to protect democracy.

21:57 The same way it took a couple of cycles for Georgia, Philadelphia,

22:01 uh Pennsylvania um and uh and uh the one

22:06 other state that I have forgotten here um Wisconsin.

22:10 There we go.

22:11 That's right.

22:12 Wisconsin to uh to make that change.

22:14 So change is gradual for sure, but this is an important big step to start it.

22:19 Um, now I have one other sort of obvious question

22:22 for you and that is uh what can ordinary people whether

22:27 or not they live in Georgia do to make a difference

22:30 in Georgia for this election but also in other states?

22:34 What would you tell people to do?

22:37 You know, I'll just jump in first and then Miracle can kind of close it out.

22:41 I think people need to educate themselves on their state supreme courts.

22:45 Um, I think that has been one of the biggest issues that we've had.

22:50 Um, I mean, part of it is nobody even knew that you we elect

22:55 the state supreme court justices or that we

22:57 can elect the state supreme court justices.

23:00 Um, nobody understands like, well,

23:02 why is this nonpartisan race on a partisan ballot?

23:06 So, it it it's like there's so many layers in terms of educating folks um before

23:11 you can even get to a place

23:13 for anyone to run successfully or challenge an incumbent.

23:17 So, I would tell everybody to take a look at their Supreme Courts.

23:20 How how are they put there?

23:22 Who who's on the court?

23:23 Like, do some research.

23:25 And if you're a lawyer and you have the ability, run.

23:28 Um because that's what we need.

23:30 We need people who are courageous and and like Miracle says bold

23:35 and willing to step out there because look this is not easy.

23:38 I mean this is our professional careers,

23:41 our reputations and we are taking on incumbents

23:45 um that do not like being taken on.

23:46 I have to tell you we have faced a lot of criticism

23:50 in the state for this and um you know but that's just it.

23:54 more people need to do it and I hope just

23:57 educate yourself and then of course follow us on social,

24:01 you know, share everything you can.

24:03 Tell everybody, write a postcard to somebody in Georgia,

24:06 call your ex-boyfriend who may be in South Georgia,

24:08 whatever, but tell them to vote um now until May 15th and then on May 19th.

24:15 So, so there's something very important there.

24:17 Both the idea of educating yourself,

24:19 but making it possible to educate other people.

24:22 And that again for people who are in states

24:25 that are not necessarily facing important Supreme Court elections,

24:29 sharing stuff on social media,

24:30 really blanketing social media is crucial to getting

24:34 people to turn out and and that explanation

24:37 of how one votes and where and when one can vote is really important.

24:42 So, if you are listening and thinking, well,

24:44 I'm not from a state where I can do much, you actually can.

24:47 Uh, by making sure you're sharing

24:49 this information and calling people's attention to it,

24:51 because it is a May 19th election is one that's

24:54 going to fall under a lot of radar screens, I suspect.

24:58 Yeah, it will.

25:00 We we've been finding that especially earlier on, individuals will say,

25:04 I'm gonna vote for you in November.

25:06 No, you won't.

25:07 You can only invote you can only vote for us in May.

25:10 And so amplifying the message has been so critical and crucial.

25:15 So share those posts.

25:17 You can also go to our websites to learn more about each of us.

25:20 I believe there may be links drop somewhere in the comments.

25:23 But you can go to our websites miracle forjah.com and then Jen,

25:28 you can give yours in a second, but you can go to both of ours.

25:31 Um I believe yours is is it jen4j with the number four?

25:35 Yeah.

25:35 So, jen4jah.com, miracle forjorg.com,

25:38 and just learn more about the candidates and research.

25:40 Um, if you are in a state where you may

25:43 have Supreme Court races or even state level down ballot races,

25:47 research the candidates.

25:48 Make sure you understand what their beliefs are, um,

25:52 what their background is and who will actually

25:54 be serving you at various levels of your government.

25:57 And just, like I said, amplify, amplify, amplify.

26:00 Tell a friend to tell a friend to get out if they're in Georgia.

26:04 to vote between now and May 15th and on election day on May 19th.

26:08 And if you would like to contribute to either campaign,

26:10 you can do so when you go to our website.

26:12 And Heather, I want to make um one last

26:16 point too in terms of the nonpartisan nature of things.

26:20 There's been some criticism about um by run by even

26:24 running we are uh politicizing these nonpartisan judicial races.

26:30 But I want everybody to look at what is happening in Virginia

26:34 in terms of that Supreme Court basically overturning the will of the people.

26:39 Right?

26:40 This was this went to the people for a vote.

26:43 Overturning the will of the people in uh a three to four decision.

26:48 That is a very political decision, right?

26:52 So it doesn't matter if folks like to say they're nonpartisan.

26:55 All that means is that there's not a D

26:57 or an R right by your name when you run it.

27:01 This is a nonpartisan race.

27:02 But to say that these positions are not political is just not true.

27:08 Yes.

27:09 And you um Jenna is referring

27:11 to the decision of the Virginia Supreme Court today

27:14 that the recent um redistricting of that state

27:18 that was approved by the voters is unconstitutional.

27:21 So the Republican dominated um system will or the Republican

27:26 uh dominated districts will stand at least as of this morning.

27:30 So um that's a really important point here is that if

27:34 if a if a court is doing what it should be doing,

27:37 it is putting the constitution and the interests of the people foremost.

27:42 And we're seeing increasingly that Supreme Courts at the state

27:45 level and certainly at the national level are not.

27:47 they are serving an ideology that is not

27:50 embraced by the majority of the American people

27:52 and that that is a huge problem for democracy

27:56 as well as for people in the states individually.

27:59 So um so again listen to the idea

28:01 of spreading information making sure people get

28:03 the right information making sure they know this election

28:06 is on May 19th not later May 19th.

28:12 and do whatever you can to uh to make

28:14 a difference in Georgia and in your states.

28:17 Um I want to thank you both for being here uh first of all.

28:20 Um but I also want to thank you for what

28:23 you're doing because it takes courage and it takes um real

28:27 public sense to do this and and those of us who

28:30 are not in Georgia appreciate you stepping up to the plate.

28:34 I also want to leave you with something that is

28:35 in the comments and more than one person has said I get

28:39 hopeless about the state of the world but then I look

28:42 at people like Miracle Ranken and Jen Jordan and I have hope.

28:46 So thank you for giving us hope and best of luck.

28:49 Best of luck on May 19th.

28:53 Thank you so much for being here.

28:55 Thank you so much.

28:56 Thank you for having us.

28:57 Thank you.

28:58 And thank you everybody for being here and um and we'll see you again soon.