Joe Rogan Experience #2491 - Brian Simpson

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0:12 Do you got to get [music] new glasses?

0:14 No, I just have different pair for different stuff.

0:17 Did they get stronger?

0:19 No.

0:20 No,

0:19 I just have a

0:21 Did you always have glasses?

0:22 Like do you have a eyeball issue?

0:23 Yeah, I got a stigmatism.

0:25 Okay.

0:25 But I uh but I got one one for driving and one for my computer.

0:30 I used to have to use um reading glasses.

0:33 Oh yeah.

0:33 Then I started using red light red light therapy.

0:36 And uh I think that uh f the first thing I started doing is

0:39 taking uh this company pure encapsulation has

0:42 this um it's called uh macular support.

0:47 It's like a combination of nutrients that help your eyeballs.

0:51 I don't know how but I explained it to Huberman.

0:54 He read it off to me and he's like,

0:55 "This makes sense." Um, but then, um, the big one was red light.

0:59 I started using red light therapy.

1:01 I don't need glasses anymore.

1:03 What?

1:03 Yeah.

1:03 My glass My eyes aren't perfect.

1:04 Like, uh, in low light, they're not so good.

1:07 Like, uh, in a dark restaurant,

1:09 I have to use like the flashlight on my thing to read a menu,

1:12 but I don't need glasses anymore.

1:13 Oh.

1:13 So, I was I've been wondering that.

1:15 Is it that I'm getting older or are

1:16 they just using darker light in the restaurants?

1:19 They definitely use dark light in restaurants.

1:20 I don't I mean, young people can still read it.

1:22 Like I've gone to restaurants with my kids and they can read in the dark.

1:25 I'm like, "You can read that?

1:27 I can't read it." But um but like small

1:31 print like on my phone like reading an email.

1:34 I didn't used to be able to read it and now I can read it perfectly.

1:37 Oh, see now I'm I'm hitting that age now where I got to start switching

1:41 switching glasses.

1:41 A different Yeah.

1:43 Here we go.

1:44 Here we go.

1:45 Listen, dude.

1:46 I'm just happy you're alive.

1:48 Oh, yeah.

1:48 Yeah.

1:48 Yeah.

1:49 Yeah.

1:49 I mean, you know, you know, man, I've

1:53 People don't know what we're talking about.

1:54 You had a heart attack.

1:55 Yes.

1:55 I had a heart attack three months ago.

1:58 Yeah.

1:57 Super Bowl weekend.

2:00 Yeah.

1:59 In Atlanta.

2:02 Yeah.

2:02 Out of nowhere.

2:03 Well, was it really out of nowhere?

2:05 Not really.

2:06 [laughter] [laughter] You know, like cuz that's

2:13 not like you were a marathon runner.

2:15 Right.

2:15 Right.

2:15 [laughter] Exactly.

2:16 But I but I was sitting there, you know, honestly,

2:18 I was sitting there thinking because I remember the doctor cuz we,

2:21 you know, we we really are like we've set ourselves up.

2:26 We we kind of deal with trauma and a not I mean

2:30 you can argue about whether how it's whether it's healthy or not,

2:32 but with but our first go-to is humor,

2:36 right?

2:36 And I remember the doctor getting upset with me like this the the surgeon

2:40 the lady that was about to she was about to put a stent.

2:42 So, you know, I'm sitting there and she was like, "Hey,

2:46 something very serious just happened to you,

2:48 you know, because I was just talking, you know,

2:51 I was but it was just how I was just coping, you know, she was not

2:56 happy about it."

2:57 Did you tell her that's how I deal with things?

2:59 No, I was already all drugged up and[ __] you know?

3:03 But it [laughter] was cuz it was one of them things

3:04 where I think like you can't they [snorts] can't put you out

3:08 completely.

3:09 like it's it's not that kind of anesthesia.

3:10 Okay.

3:11 But they but I think they need you

3:12 to be conscious kind of in case something goes wrong.

3:15 But they but whatever the[ __] they put me on, I don't remember any of it.

3:18 And you were joking around and she was upset.

3:20 Yeah.

3:21 What what happened was the the when I got to the hospital,

3:24 the doctor that first saw me was like I forget his name,

3:28 but he was like, "Hey, I'm Doug and don't don't worry about anything.

3:32 I'mma be with you the whole time." You know,

3:34 and then maybe 20 minutes later, you know, they they wheeling me in.

3:38 and they drugging me up and I'm like, "Hey,

3:40 where the[ __] is Doug, [laughter] you know, and they're like,

3:43 "Who's Doug?" I was like, "He's he promised me that he wasn't going

3:47 to leave." And I was obviously I was just joking.

3:49 I know like he was just saying that so I would calm down or right.

3:54 I don't know why Doug thought he would be bringing me comfort,

3:57 but I just but I I I I fake made a big deal

4:00 of the fact that I felt abandoned by Doug and she didn't think it was funny.

4:06 Oh.

4:06 But somebody did, and that's all I needed was the laugh.

4:08 I'm like, "It's you,[ __] It's not me.

4:09 You're the problem.

4:10 You're too serious in here."

4:11 Well, why would she need you to be serious if you're getting a stent put in?

4:14 Would that make it work better?

4:15 I mean, to be fair, I think my whole

4:17 life people have said as serious as a heart attack.

4:19 And I feel like if if you dedicated

4:21 your life to that, you probably a serious person.

4:23 [laughter] I I don't know any other heart surgeons,

4:25 but I bet they all pretty uptight.

4:27 Yeah, they have to be.

4:28 It's life or death with every decision that they make, right?

4:31 I guess they got to get it in on time, right?

4:34 like if they're going to put a stent in you,

4:35 if they're going to do something like if you're one of those people

4:38 like you are that if you didn't address this, you would have died, right?

4:43 So that's one of those things that's time critical.

4:46 So I guess with those people like, "Hey,

4:47 stop[ __] around." Like in their mind, like I got to save you.

4:51 I got to figure out what has to be done within a certain amount

4:54 of time and get you on the road to recovery because if I don't, you're dead.

4:58 Yeah.

4:58 You know what?

4:59 She something else I remember and this was just flash cuz I only remember like

5:03 these couple seconds is she kept yelling at me because I kept moving my hands.

5:08 So basically like I'm laid down like this and and they want you

5:11 to keep they want you to keep your hands right by your side.

5:15 And I just remember I kept coming to with her being like, "Hey,

5:18 keep your hands she might have said keep

5:19 your[ __] hands down." I don't know though.

5:21 I don't know.

5:22 I [laughter] ain't going to make no accusations.

5:24 But but she was clearly upset about it.

5:27 She was rece and but but I'm like[ __] I'm on I'm on with the drugs you gave me.

5:31 I'm not doing it on purpose.

5:34 Apparently my my default response cuz cuz they cuz they they put

5:38 they have to put a st in but they go through your groin.

5:42 Yikes.

5:41 So So you know so apparently like my default response is to protect my dick,

5:46 right?

5:46 Like I'm waking up.

5:47 Somebody's[ __] around down there.

5:48 Oh, [laughter]

5:49 you know it's like why don't y'all tie me down if it's that important?

5:52 Why don't you tie my hands down?

5:54 Right.

5:54 But maybe they can't.

5:55 I don't know.

5:55 I don't know what's what else is going on.

5:57 And medical people are real sensitive about criticism.

6:00 You know, some of them real like we save lives.

6:03 How dare you?

6:04 And it's like, all right, I'm still Yeah.

6:06 Some of y'all are still[ __] though.

6:07 Well, they're they don't have the best sense of humor.

6:10 They can't like that's not the way you if you want to be a really good doctor,

6:14 you can't be also a standup comedian.

6:16 Well, see, no.

6:16 See, the nurses have a sense of humor.

6:19 Right.

6:19 Right.

6:20 Nurses are fun.

6:21 They might as well be different species.

6:22 Yeah.

6:22 Nurses are fun.

6:24 Like nurses come in, they joke around with you, they[ __] around.

6:26 Like some of them do at least.

6:28 Yeah.

6:28 And and some of them kill you.

6:29 Let's be honest.

6:31 And in Atlanta, the nurses were incredibly

6:34 attract like really there was hot nurses everywhere.

6:38 Damn.

6:38 Like nurses.

6:38 And it's something about like vette techs like working

6:41 at the one the ladies working at the vet hospitals.

6:45 Yeah.

6:44 It's something about going into that field.

6:46 I don't know what it is.

6:48 Vette, you mean veterinarians?

6:50 Yeah.

6:50 Like veterinarians.

6:51 Yeah.

6:51 But not the not the doctors, right?

6:54 Just the nurses.

6:55 Just the nurses.

6:55 Well, they're people who love animals.

6:57 Sweet people.

6:58 Oh, yeah.

6:59 And money.

6:59 They love animals and money.

7:01 I Nobody Well, the nurses don't usually love money.

7:04 If they did, they wouldn't get into that profession.

7:06 But the veterinarian hospital certainly loves money.

7:09 The administration.

7:10 Speaking of which, I can't I can't decide

7:11 which pisses me off more is like when I

7:15 get the bill at the at the human

7:16 hospital or when or because at the vet hospital,

7:19 I feel like they I feel like they're like they're extorting me, you know?

7:25 Like when I got the bill from this hospital, I was like,

7:27 "God damn." But I was in there and they were cuz they

7:31 didn't walk up to me while like before the surgery and go,

7:34 "What's it going to be?" Right?

7:36 But when but when it's your pet, that's what they do.

7:38 They go, "We could do this life-saving thing,

7:41 which is the best thing to do, but it's way more money than you have."

7:45 Or, you know, you can be a piece of[ __] pet owner and get the $20 thing.

7:50 Yeah.

7:50 Yeah.

7:50 They they're trying to get you to take out a loan, all that.

7:54 Just really turn the screws.

7:55 That's awful.

7:56 Yeah.

7:56 I don't know when the last time you had to do some serious[ __] for your pet.

8:00 Pretty recently.

8:00 Marshall swallowed a bunch of rocks.

8:02 Oh, god damn.

8:04 Yeah.

8:04 He um we Someone spilled chicken food on the gravel and he

8:09 ate all the chicken food and just kept eating and started eating gravel.

8:12 Oh my god.

8:13 He's[ __] He's the sweetest boy.

8:15 [laughter] He's the sweetest sweetest dog that's ever walked to face the earth,

8:19 but he is not clever.

8:21 And and so um we bring him inside.

8:24 No one knows no one knows anything that happened.

8:26 And then he starts throwing up and he's throwing up rocks like little pebbles.

8:30 And then he starts getting diarrhea and he's diarrhea and pebbles.

8:33 I'm like, "Oh no." And then we put two and two together.

8:36 We figured out what happened.

8:37 And so then I had to take him to the vet.

8:39 So I took him to the vet and he had to stay there overnight.

8:41 And luckily they didn't have to do surgery.

8:45 um they pumped it out of it.

8:46 They somehow or another got the rocks out of his stomach and they

8:49 had to keep scanning it to make sure there's no rocks remaining in there.

8:52 And so he passed all the rocks.

8:54 He either threw them up or[ __] him out.

8:56 And then within [clears throat] a certain amount of time,

8:58 I think he was there for he was there for at least 24 hours,

9:00 but after a certain amount of time,

9:02 he started eating and then they weren't worried about him anymore.

9:04 That dog[ __] eats.

9:06 He just all he wants to do is eat.

9:07 He gets so excited.

9:09 Yeah.

9:09 All he wants to do is his favorite thing is

9:10 I want every morsel of flavor out this dirt.

9:13 It's so crazy.

9:13 He kept eating rocks.

9:14 I mean, he ate pounds of gravel.

9:17 It wasn't like a small amount of gravel.

9:20 It was the amount of gravel that was in my living room on the carpet was crazy.

9:24 Oh, wow.

9:25 The out of throw up and just diarrhea.

9:27 It was everywhere.

9:28 It was It was a crime scene.

9:29 I bet you he won't do that[ __] again.

9:31 Oh, yeah.

9:31 He will.

9:31 He will.

9:32 He'll do it tomorrow.

9:33 [laughter] Dude, Doug doesn't learn[ __] He's the best.

9:36 Like, he's a sweet dog.

9:38 I love him so much.

9:39 I love him so much.

9:40 He's just all love.

9:41 Every time I see him, he just wagging his tail.

9:44 I get down on the ground with him.

9:45 He kisses me.

9:46 I hug him.

9:47 I rub his belly.

9:48 He's the best.

9:49 But he is not.

9:50 That used to be a wolf.

9:51 That's what's so[ __] up about human beings.

9:53 We took something that's the most clever most.

9:57 They they communicate with each other.

9:58 They plan traps on animals.

10:00 They're so clever.

10:01 You can't And also, you can't train them.

10:04 You know that about wolves?

10:05 You can't train them.

10:06 That's why you don't see wolves in the[ __] circus.

10:09 You cannot train.

10:10 You could train a bear.

10:12 You could train a lion.

10:13 You could train a tiger.

10:15 Wolves just go, "Fuck you.

10:17 I'm going to do exactly what I want to do." But not dogs.

10:21 Certainly not my dog.

10:22 Like Marshall, he's the sweetest.

10:24 Like he was so easy to train.

10:26 See, that's wild.

10:26 Cuz you can train a lion, but you can't train a a house cat.

10:29 Train a Well, you could train house cats to do certain things.

10:32 Like some people have trained their house cat to[ __] in the the toilet.

10:35 No, Joe.

10:36 There's a there's a video of like I I wonder if she she's Russian.

10:40 This Russian lady.

10:40 She's like the world champion cat training lady [laughter] and and she and she's

10:46 getting these cats to do a whole bunch of[ __] but every now and then

10:49 they do what they want.

10:49 They just do what the[ __] they want.

10:51 Yeah, that's true.

10:51 You can't get them to do it like

10:53 like a really good dog will like a Belgian malam that's absolutely

10:58 just does every task you ask them to.

11:00 That's impossible.

11:01 Absolutely not.

11:01 But with wolves, you can't train them to do anything.

11:04 They won't listen.

11:05 I didn't know that

11:06 they don't listen to you at all.

11:08 I had a friend who had wolves.

11:10 He had like 7/8 timber wolves and they got

11:13 out and killed a bunch of his neighbors sheep.

11:15 They like you couldn't stop them from doing anything they wanted to do.

11:18 Whatever they wanted to do.

11:19 Why do you have a pack of wolves?

11:21 He's an idiot.

11:22 He had three of them.

11:23 I was like, you don't have these dogs.

11:25 You just feed them.

11:26 You don't This is not like a dog.

11:30 No, they don't listen to you.

11:31 And you have a a house with a yard.

11:33 Like that's crazy.

11:35 Like you you should have like an enormous piece of land and even

11:38 then if you have wolves they're going to kill everything they run across.

11:42 Yeah.

11:42 They need miles of

11:44 of space.

11:45 Yeah.

11:45 They're they're cardio machines.

11:47 They run through the mountains.

11:48 They chase down moose.

11:50 That's why I get so irritated when cuz I'm

11:53 in a I'm in apartments now and I'm in one

11:56 of those I don't know what the[ __] is going

11:58 on with my building but but the it's full of dog.

12:01 Like the building is for dog people.

12:03 There's there's a dog wash.

12:05 The all of the grass around it is all fake and there's there's[ __][ __]

12:10 bags every 10 feet and the front of the building from like noon to 400 p.m.

12:15 it always just the strongest scent of dog

12:17 piss because 50 people have walked their dogs around.

12:19 And I and that's fine.

12:20 I don't I don't mind that at all.

12:21 But what irritates me is when I see cuz I know I

12:27 have the biggest apartment in the building and I know that I

12:32 don't have room for like I I don't have the room

12:35 for like a uh like a blue like a blue healer or right

12:38 and it's like you see[ __] with dogs like that was

12:40 like yo you that dog needs to be running miles every day.

12:44 Why do you got that big ass dog?

12:46 Oh yeah.

12:46 Well, I see I saw a damn I saw uh uh a Cane Corso.

12:53 Mhm.

12:53 That's crazy.

12:54 It's like you got a Cane Corso in a in a in a 1300 uh square foot apartment.

13:00 That's crazy.

13:01 That's crazy.

13:02 And I don't And and here's the other thing.

13:03 I don't see that[ __] every day.

13:05 So you you skipping days.

13:07 This[ __] needs to hurt things or or

13:09 he needs to have exercise.

13:11 That's like having an MMA fighter living in your house.

13:15 Like you better take him to the[ __] gym.

13:17 Oh yeah, cuz people always blow off steam.

13:19 When people find out that I have a cat,

13:20 they always like, "Oh, so your apartment smells like a cat." No.

13:23 No.

13:24 But but you know, you know,

13:25 you know whose places always smell bad is people that have

13:27 a dog that's too[ __] big to be in the place.

13:30 Yeah.

13:30 Yeah.

13:31 There's also they probably can't wash it, right?

13:34 Like what are you going to do?

13:35 Do you get in the shower with it?

13:37 I used to get in the shower with my dogs.

13:38 I bring Marshall to a groomer, but um my my dog Johnny,

13:42 he used to love getting in the shower with me.

13:44 Really?

13:44 Yeah, he was a big mastiff and he loved it

13:47 because it was just massages and love in the shower.

13:50 I just cover him with shampoo and I would talk nice to him.

13:52 I go, "Oh, we're getting so clean, buddy." He give me kisses.

13:56 I'm like, "Look at you.

13:57 We're good." So, something about seeing their human with no clothes.

14:02 They're I think they lock cuz my my cat does it.

14:04 She loves to come in the bathroom whenever she

14:05 knows I'm naked or she has a shower running, she just sit there and watch.

14:08 It's probably weird to them that you could take your clothes off.

14:11 Yeah.

14:11 I mean, no.

14:11 I think it's weird to them that you wear clothes at all.

14:13 Oh, for sure.

14:14 They're like, "What?" Yeah.

14:15 What are you doing?

14:15 Why you under the sheets all the time?

14:17 Yeah.

14:18 [laughter] And I I don't I've softened my stance

14:20 on people that put clothes on their animals,

14:22 but I'm like, "They don't like it."

14:24 No.

14:24 Well, some dogs like um Chihuahua in the winter, it's a good idea.

14:31 Yeah.

14:31 But what I mean, it's like 30° out.

14:33 The dog The dog likes it.

14:34 No, the dog likes that you like it.

14:37 They like pleasing you, but they don't want clothes on.

14:40 They don't.

14:40 But if you have like a little dog like like a Chihuahua for instance,

14:43 they get really cold.

14:45 Those guys, if you put a little sweater on them, like they feel better outside.

14:49 It's just makes sense.

14:50 It's warm.

14:51 But but okay, then go all the way then.

14:52 Where the boots at?

14:54 [laughter] Some of them wear boots in the summer because like New York City,

14:58 like the street gets so hot.

15:00 Like if you think about how hot the street gets if it's 98 degrees outside.

15:03 It was like broken glass.

15:04 Oh my god.

15:05 Yeah.

15:05 I mean, you're just walking on hot rocks,

15:08 right?

15:08 But also, what are you doing with that big ass dog in New York City?

15:10 That's true.

15:11 There are no apartments.

15:12 We Why you got a great Dane out here in New York?

15:15 I mean, I would have to make a choice.

15:16 Like, if for some reason I had to move to New York City,

15:20 I'm not getting rid of my dog.

15:21 And I'm not leaving my dog here.

15:23 You can't get rid of your dog.

15:24 There's no chance.

15:25 Not a chance in hell.

15:26 So, I would just have to commit to a lifestyle

15:28 of taking that dog out to like Central Park every day,

15:32 doing things with them every day.

15:34 I would have to make a choice, bro.

15:36 I would have to live near the park for sure.

15:38 Like for me to get for me to get rid of my cat something.

15:42 It would have to be like they would have to die.

15:44 They'd have to die or or it would have to be

15:45 something where like I I am absolutely not capable of, you know,

15:50 like I'm I'm I can't move, you know, or something crazy like that.

15:53 Right.

15:53 Right.

15:53 Right.

15:53 Right.

15:54 Right.

15:54 Yeah.

15:54 When I try to when I moved out here from Cali, uh like she she can't fly.

16:00 Oh, so did you drive her across the country?

16:01 I paid somebody to.

16:02 Oh, there you go.

16:03 Oh, me that would that would be a[ __] Actually,

16:05 I didn't have a car at the time, but that would be a nightmare.

16:08 She This is the most stubborn.

16:09 Like, this creature

16:11 like I I I have a hard time getting her.

16:12 I've taken her to three groomers.

16:13 They all been like, "You got to come get her.

16:16 You got to come get cuz she don't she

16:18 doesn't like to be with restrained in any way."

16:22 Mhm.

16:21 Yeah.

16:21 And at the slightest sign that you're thinking

16:24 about holding her down or putting her in something,

16:28 she will fight with everything she got.

16:32 Is she a feral cat?

16:33 No.

16:33 Well, she might have been.

16:34 She might have been.

16:36 I got her.

16:37 The the story the lady told me.

16:40 It doesn't really add up, but basically she was a divorce happened.

16:46 This family had two cats and a dog.

16:49 And then the wife got the house and started fostering animals.

16:54 And then my cat's brother who So her and her brother were the original cats.

17:00 My cat's brother started basically like joined this pack

17:06 of cats against against because Millie don't socialize at all.

17:10 But her brother kind of turned on her Game of Thrones.

17:13 Yeah.

17:13 And so since then she was just hostile with everybody.

17:17 All the animals, I mean.

17:18 And so when I came to get her, all

17:20 these animals were in this lady's house except Millie.

17:22 She was in the garage and they had a little post and she was in the garage.

17:25 And when I came to take her, she was so down to go.

17:28 She was like, "Fuck all them people.

17:29 __] my brother.

17:29 [laughter][ __] this.

17:30 She was so But she likes you.

17:32 Oh, yeah.

17:33 She loves me.

17:33 She still to this she follows me from room to room.

17:35 Oh, well, that's sweet.

17:36 Yeah.

17:36 Yeah.

17:37 Yeah.

17:37 But she cats that just choose one person, too.

17:39 She also hates me, too.

17:40 So,

17:41 she hates you.

17:41 I think she hates

17:44 She probably [clears throat] had bad experiences.

17:45 Yeah.

17:46 Yeah.

17:46 Yeah.

17:46 She's just She's got some kind of trauma that I'll never know about.

17:49 You got to give her some kitty cat Iawasa.

17:51 Bro, I've I've had to I've had to put

17:52 her on on CBD and[ __] before we go to the vet.

17:55 Really?

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18:55 Do you ever put her in catnip?

18:56 You ever give her catnip?

18:57 Oh, yeah.

18:58 Sometimes.

18:58 Yeah.

18:58 Does she get high and roll around and get freaky?

19:00 She loves it.

19:01 What is it?

19:02 So weird.

19:03 What does cat It works on every cat.

19:04 I've never seen a cat where it doesn't work on.

19:07 Imagine I mean there's[ __] like that for people.

19:10 Oh yeah.

19:10 Yeah.

19:10 You just give someone We got plenty of[ __] like that.

19:13 But I don't know if it gets them high.

19:14 I don't know what it's doing to them

19:16 to them.

19:17 Well, let's find out.

19:17 I I really have no idea what the mechanism of

19:20 um let's put this into perplexity.

19:23 All right, Jeremy, you already perplexity.

19:24 Catnip is an aromatic.

19:26 Perplexity is our AI sponsor brand.

19:29 Really?

19:29 Yes, we have an AI sponsor.

19:30 Oh[ __] Okay.

19:31 It's the[ __]

19:32 Uh it's not ideologically captured.

19:34 Catnip is an aromatic herb in the mint

19:37 family whose leaves and stems contain a chemical.

19:40 How do you say that word?

19:41 Nep nepatala.

19:45 You want to try that, Jamie?

19:46 I'm going to say nep nebatilacone.

19:48 Nepat.

19:49 I think you're right.

19:50 Nepatactone that triggers playful or euphoric behavior in many cats.

19:56 Many cats.

19:57 Interesting.

19:57 I thought it was all cats.

19:59 Uh plant is native to Eurasia now common across temperate regions

20:03 and is easy to grow in North America often in gardens or pots.

20:06 Why cats react to it?

20:08 Catnip contains an oil whose main active compound is nepatilactone,

20:13 a type of tarpine produced in glands on the leaves and stems.

20:17 When the cats smell nepatilactone,

20:20 it binds to receptors in their nose

20:22 and stimulates brain pathways linked to mood.

20:26 Wow.

20:26 Leading to behaviors like rolling, rubbing,

20:28 purring, meowing, jumping, or brief zooies.

20:32 Only about twothirds Oh, okay.

20:33 80% of cats are sensitive to catnip.

20:36 The tendency is genetic.

20:37 The effect usually lasts 5 to 15 minutes,

20:40 after which they become temporarily immune for a while.

20:43 Interesting.

20:45 Is it safe?

20:46 For most cats, catnip is considered non-toxic and safe,

20:49 and many vets recommend it as enrichment

20:51 to encourage play and reduce boredom or stress.

20:54 Eating a small amount is usually fine and may soothe the digestive tract,

20:57 but large amounts can cause short-lived stomach upset,

21:01 vomiting, diarrhea, or dizziness.

21:03 [clears throat] You can't just[ __] a fiend.

21:06 Oh[ __] You only supposed to give a pinch?

21:08 I don't know.

21:09 That's what it say down there.

21:10 Only a pinch.

21:10 Oh, here it goes.

21:11 Because of this, people typically offer just a pinch of dried or fresh.

21:14 How much do you give your cat, bro?

21:17 [laughter] I don't[ __] her world.

21:24 Oh my [laughter] god.

21:25 You giving her a fat bag.

21:28 You give her a fat bag.

21:30 I just let her go at it, man.

21:31 You know what's funny, man?

21:32 My cat is very like I let her do what she wants,

21:35 you know?

21:35 Like I let her she she get she can go outside like

21:38 you know she's not she's not an outdoor cat but if she want

21:40 to go out I open the door I [snorts] cuz I make you

21:43 know what it is I make sure outside is not some some mystery

21:47 place that she when she if she want to go I I

21:49 open the door and let her go and then after she get cold

21:51 or hear something and smell and run back in the house because

21:54 that way she's not like just dying to go out there all the time.

21:57 Right.

21:57 Right.

21:57 Right.

21:58 I'm not worried about her running away.

21:59 I worry about coyotes man.

22:01 When you let cats out man coyotes are[ __] they target your house.

22:05 They know where the cats are.

22:06 They know the cats that get let out.

22:07 Yeah, but but it's like it nothing comes near my building because

22:11 it just smells like just all It smells like 50 dogs live there.

22:14 Yeah, but they eat dogs, too.

22:17 Really?

22:18 Mhm.

22:18 Yeah.

22:18 My daughter's puppy got eaten by a coyote in California.

22:22 Guy was training and he left the the puppy outside.

22:24 It got eaten by coyotes.

22:26 Brian, you know coyotes?

22:27 Oh, I've seen them.

22:28 Oh, also, but here's the other thing, too.

22:29 My my my my girl is, you know, she she takes zero chances.

22:36 The slightest sign of danger and she she already got

22:39 No, she got 50 spots to hide and run

22:42 like she's never gotten into it with anything.

22:44 The thing about coyotes is they haven't they're predators, right?

22:47 And cats are predators, too.

22:50 But pets are different than wild animals.

22:53 Yeah.

22:53 This[ __] ain't very different.

22:55 She'll bring a[ __] mouse in the house.

22:56 Yeah.

22:56 I mean, they kill stuff.

22:58 They they they kill stuff for fun,

22:59 but there's a difference between that and needing to eat

23:02 and needing to like eat cats in order to survive,

23:05 which is what coyotes do.

23:06 So coyotes know where the cats are.

23:08 They know what the smell when cats are peeing outside.

23:12 So they know a cat lives in the house and they know the cat pees outside.

23:16 They just hover nearby and wait because they know it's

23:19 a matter of time before the cat has to go outside.

23:22 You know what's funny, man?

23:22 I haven't seen a coyote the whole time I lived in Austin.

23:24 I think they'll hide three years now.

23:26 They hide.

23:27 I know.

23:27 I saw them all the time in LA, though.

23:29 You'll see them.

23:30 They exist.

23:30 I You know what it is?

23:31 I think it's that the ones out here

23:32 aren't starving like the ones in LA were, right?

23:34 So, they cuz they get bolder and bolder if they the hungrier they get.

23:38 Well, the thing about Austin as opposed to LA is there's

23:41 a lot of animals and there's a lot of moisture, right?

23:44 So, if you're outside of greater Austin area, like a lot of these coyote,

23:48 I see them all the time out where I

23:50 live because there's a lot of animals where I live.

23:52 I see like foxes almost every day.

23:55 I see armadillos a couple times a week.

23:58 I see deer every day.

24:00 I always see these, especially when I come home,

24:02 I see foxes run across the road.

24:03 There's all kinds of animals.

24:05 So, there's all kinds of things that coyotes eat.

24:07 A lot of rabbits, all kinds of things coyotes eat.

24:09 And so, they don't have to come into the city.

24:12 Whereas in LA, you've got LA and then everything around LA is just barren.

24:18 You know, it's all dry and[ __] up and you might find a rabbit,

24:22 but it's way easier to eat someone's cat.

24:24 So, and I think I think the average person

24:26 doesn't realize how how many coyotes are around them.

24:29 Like they're Oh, yeah.

24:30 Every major city, they're like they're like raccoons.

24:32 They're in every city everywhere.

24:34 There's a great book on it called Coyote America.

24:39 Oh, yeah.

24:38 It's really good.

24:39 And um it's uh all about how coyotes what happens is um when they yell out,

24:47 they're doing like a roll call.

24:48 And when they're doing a roll call,

24:50 they're letting all the other coyotes know that they're there.

24:53 And when one of them's missing,

24:55 the female coyotes assume that that coyote is dead.

24:59 And so their body responds by making a larger litter.

25:03 What?

25:03 So they'll have more babies if someone's missing.

25:07 Damn.

25:07 Death makes them horny.

25:08 Well, it makes them have more children.

25:10 They always have children.

25:11 They're always horny, right?

25:12 But they instead of having three pups, they'll have six.

25:16 And they spread out because they were persecuted by gray wolves.

25:20 Like that's the whole deal.

25:22 and being gray wolves and red.

25:26 So coyotes and red wolves mate with each other.

25:30 That's why you get what they call a koi wolf,

25:32 but it really is a coyote is a wolf.

25:34 It's a type of wolf, but they're not related to the greywolves.

25:38 And greywolves and coyotes don't mate.

25:40 So greywolves, the ones that have in like Colorado and, you know,

25:44 like uh Montana, those wolves just eat coyotes.

25:47 They just kill them.

25:48 Like they don't[ __] around.

25:50 They so there's no chance of becoming allies.

25:54 So those coyotes learned a long time ago when

25:56 they start getting killed by wolves, just spread out.

25:59 Just get the[ __] out of there.

26:00 Keep moving.

26:01 That's why they're in 50 states.

26:03 They're in every city in the country now.

26:06 And that wasn't the case when I was a kid.

26:08 When I was a kid, like I grew up in Massachusetts in my high school years,

26:11 there was no[ __] coyotes.

26:13 Nobody.

26:14 I I never even heard of anybody seeing a coyote.

26:16 Yeah, me neither.

26:17 I never saw a coyote in my life until 1994 in uh

26:21 I I do you remember in LA they had those Oakwood garden apartments.

26:26 It's like furnished apartments that they had in LA and uh I was driving to it.

26:30 It's like when I first moved there.

26:32 I didn't have an apartment yet.

26:33 When I first moved there I was like are those[ __] dogs?

26:35 What are these dogs?

26:36 I'm like oh[ __] those are coyotes.

26:38 I remember pulling the car over looking at them like this is weird.

26:42 These weird little wolves just wandering around the city.

26:45 Like that's how you know you seeing a coyote.

26:46 You like, "Is that a dog?"

26:48 Well, that was the first time and that was in '94.

26:51 But by the time, you know, we left in 2020.

26:55 __] they were everywhere.

26:57 I mean, everywhere.

26:58 Like, they expanded.

27:01 Yeah.

27:01 And now they're in New York City.

27:02 They find them in in the middle of the[ __] park.

27:06 They They find them in the Bronx.

27:08 They're in abandoned buildings.

27:09 They're all over the place.

27:10 They're in Chicago.

27:12 Coyotes are all over the whole country.

27:13 When I uh when I was in LA,

27:15 one of the neighborhoods I lived in that was like I was

27:17 in the neighborhood Facebook group and there was a dude in there,

27:22 his name was Coyote.

27:23 The guy's name was Coyote that he just wanted

27:25 everybody to know that he loved coyotes so much.

27:27 And he would literally he would defend coyotes no matter what the[ __] they did.

27:32 Like somebody would be in the Facebook group, hey,

27:33 a coyote[ __] ate my dog right out of my hands.

27:36 Watch out.

27:37 And this guy would be like,

27:38 if anybody here harms that coyote, they have to answer to me.

27:40 __] your dog.

27:41 Oh god.

27:42 Oh yeah.

27:42 Yeah, I think his name was like his name

27:43 was like Coyote Jones or something like that.

27:45 He He was serious.

27:47 He was real serious.

27:48 Really into coyotes.

27:50 He was, you know, I thought everybody everybody got their thing.

27:53 Well, they're an interesting animal, man.

27:56 That's it's really interesting in that that book.

27:58 It was It's all about

28:00 You know who's um I just saw something about how

28:04 raccoons are the next animal that that's being uh you know,

28:09 tamed or domesticated or whatever.

28:11 Oh, I believe that

28:12 the ones the ones in the city are starting to have like shorter snouts and

28:16 Oh, whoa.

28:17 Yeah, they're starting to

28:18 look more like how wolves became[ __] ass wolves when they came around the fire.

28:23 They're basically they're starting to get cuter like dogs.

28:25 The ones closer to us are getting cuter

28:26 because they know it it gets them treated better.

28:30 Wow.

28:29 The cuter the cuter ones have more more babies.

28:32 The same thing.

28:34 I know.

28:34 Oh, and that's crazy cuz I read somewhere

28:36 that we haven't actually domesticated cats or or not.

28:39 That makes sense.

28:39 Maybe domesticated isn't the word, but

28:41 never got them to the point where we did with dogs.

28:44 Exactly.

28:44 But but raccoons are getting there.

28:47 That's so interesting because But it makes sense.

28:50 Like, did you ever heard about that Russian study they did with foxes?

28:53 Like how quickly you can domesticate a fox?

28:55 Oh, no.

28:56 I didn't know that you could do that.

28:57 Oh, it's really quick.

28:58 So you start out with foxes and any fox

29:01 that shows any aggress you start with a bunch of foxes.

29:04 Any fox that shows any aggression to a person, you kill it on the spot.

29:08 Oh, bang, dead.

29:10 __] you.

29:11 Get all the ones that survive or ones that have no aggression towards people.

29:15 And then slowly their snouts get shorter and their ears start to flop.

29:18 And over the course of like 10 years, you got a totally different animal.

29:21 See if you can find that, J.

29:22 Why don't people do that?

29:23 I don't Well, they did do that with this one study,

29:25 but it was just to show how quick things change like given natural selection.

29:31 Like natural selection dictated that if you're a sweeter fox, you live.

29:35 If you show your teeth, they[ __] shoot you in the head, you know?

29:38 And I'm sure Russian scientists are probably a little bit more hardcore.

29:42 [laughter] Oh, Chinese.

29:43 Here it is.

29:44 Dimmitri Belov in Ludilia Truth.

29:48 The Russian fox domestication program is a long-term experiment in Novo Cibers,

29:54 Siberia that successfully bred domesticated silver foxes,

29:58 a form of red fox, selecting specific specifically for tameness.

30:04 After over 60 years and dozens of generations,

30:06 fox act like domesticated elite pets,

30:10 displaying doglike behavior such as tail wagging,

30:12 licking, and whining for attention.

30:15 So, you could buy them.

30:16 Can you buy one of these foxes?

30:18 That's crazy.

30:19 See if there's a video.

30:20 Oh, you get one for 9,000 bucks.

30:24 What?

30:24 Let's Oh, known for high energy and needing intensive care.

30:27 Yeah, you don't want that in your[ __] 1300 square foot apartment.

30:30 What makes them elite though?

30:32 It is interesting, right?

30:33 What does that mean?

30:38 Does it look like AI?

30:40 Let's see.

30:41 It's Who knows nowadays, right?

30:44 Oh, look at this.

30:44 Lay's got a fox as a pet.

30:48 Oh, wow.

30:49 They're like little dogs.

30:50 That's crazy, bro.

30:54 But the thing about foxes are they are like playful in the wild.

30:59 Even wild foxes are playful with people.

31:01 Oh, this little guy's missing a foot.

31:03 A I don't know if those are wild or the thing just showing foxes.

31:10 These are just different foxes.

31:12 I don't think these are those foxes.

31:14 This is just right.

31:15 It's showing the info and then showing a bunch of different foxes.

31:18 But if you remember Grizzly Man, like that movie, the Warner Herszog movie.

31:22 So he was living in the middle of Alaska around these bears and the foxes would

31:29 come and hang out with him and the foxes would like hang out in his tent.

31:32 They would play with him.

31:33 They stole his hat once and ran away with his hat

31:36 and he was like chasing him trying to get his hat back.

31:38 And the bears don't attack the foxes.

31:41 Well, they probably would if they could, but foxes probably can get away.

31:45 I mean, they probably catch a fox slipping every now and then,

31:47 but mostly what they were looking for up there was salmon.

31:50 They're eating a lot of salmon.

31:51 And when bears get salmon, that's all they want.

31:54 Like you could There's a crazy video that we've shown before of this guy

31:57 and they're on the edge of a river and the salmon are running.

32:00 There's all these bears in there that'll just like just gorging on salmon,

32:04 which is why those coastal bears are so much bigger.

32:08 like Kodiak bears like Alaska that the reason why they're

32:10 so much bigger is because they have access to salmon.

32:12 They have access to fish and all the other animals that are there too.

32:16 But when they're when there's a salmon run, that's all they want.

32:18 They just want to eat salmon.

32:20 So you're saying like if you give salmon

32:21 to a bear that's never had salmon before,

32:23 it'll just that's all they'll want after.

32:25 No, that's not what I'm saying.

32:26 I wouldn't I It's probably delicious.

32:28 I mean, that's why we like sashimi.

32:30 But I think it's the access is so easy.

32:34 They don't have to chase anything.

32:35 They just stand in the river.

32:36 It literally comes to them.

32:37 and they just bite it out of the air.

32:38 You see how bears do that?

32:39 And bears are kind of lazy.

32:40 Like if they can preserve energy, they will.

32:43 They just want to get fat for hibernation, right?

32:45 So, they just want to eat as much as possible.

32:47 So, the point is like when that they're like that and they're just eating fish,

32:51 you don't even have to worry about them.

32:52 They're not even going to kill you.

32:54 So, this dude is like sitting there.

32:55 He's got like a little lawn chair and this[ __] giant bear just

33:01 walks up besides him and sits down like sits down almost like a person.

33:06 And they're like, "Hey, get out of here." Hey.

33:08 And I mean, it is as close to him as you are to me.

33:11 And it might be a thousand pounds.

33:13 I mean, this thing is[ __] gigantic.

33:16 And you see the river behind him.

33:18 So you see all these bears that are just scooping salmon out of the river.

33:21 And what is the what is the bear trying to tell him about doing?

33:23 Bears on it.

33:23 Doesn't give a[ __] He's just come to sit down.

33:26 Like you might be a stick or a person.

33:28 It doesn't matter.

33:29 It's eating salmon, right?

33:31 Like watch this.

33:31 Look at this.

33:32 Look at this.

33:35 This dude's just sitting there with his[ __] chair

33:38 and this giant ass bear just comes next to him.

33:41 Look at the size of that thing, but it's not interested in him at all.

33:46 It's not like playing koi.

33:49 It's not pretending.

33:50 It's not going to kill him.

33:51 Like it's it doesn't care about him.

33:53 Like it doesn't think that he's going to eat it.

33:56 That's for[ __] sure.

33:57 Right.

33:58 So it's like he's just chilling.

34:00 Like that might as well be Look at it.

34:02 He sits down like a person.

34:04 [laughter] Oh, bro.

34:06 You know what it is about these[ __] is

34:08 how fast it can go from this to terrifying.

34:11 Yeah.

34:11 To 45 miles an hour.

34:13 But look, he's like, "Hey, get out of here." Then it walks off.

34:20 He's like, "All right, not looking for any trouble.

34:21 Just hanging out." It's amazing that the thing listens to him,

34:25 but also amazing that he's not freaked out.

34:27 I guess he's taking a photo.

34:28 So, in that video, you see there's a ton

34:30 of bears that are just hanging out in that stream.

34:32 They just lay and they don't fight with each other

34:35 either during those situations because they know there's so much salmon,

34:38 there's enough for everybody.

34:39 So like if one of them kills a moose, right,

34:42 the other ones will come over and try to steal it from them.

34:44 __] you.

34:45 That's my moose.

34:46 And they'll they'll because there's only one food source.

34:49 But on these rivers, there's just constant fish coming out.

34:52 So they they're just grabbing them and eating them.

34:56 And they're[ __] gigantic because of that.

34:59 We don't know[ __] about these animals, man.

35:01 No, little, you know.

35:02 [clears throat and snorts] Uh I just saw some[ __] about Florida.

35:05 So they they have a serious uh uh snake problem now.

35:12 Mhm.

35:12 Like uh I think it's it's

35:14 pythons.

35:14 Yeah, it's pythons.

35:15 And um

35:16 how to [clears throat] do it on python cowboy.

35:17 He gave us a head.

35:18 Where is that head?

35:20 Do you know what that head is?

35:21 Well, yeah.

35:21 Well, they so they they have they've been trying to catch So,

35:25 apparently it came from the 80s and the 90s

35:27 of like a big python pet boom and then

35:31 it was a research center that got hit by a hurricane.

35:33 Right.

35:33 That's what I was about to say.

35:34 The hurricane came they released into the wild.

35:37 Now it's a problem and they tried paying hunters to get them

35:41 and they tried to training dogs to find them and nothing is good enough.

35:44 But then they made they made robot rabbits.

35:50 You see this?

35:51 [laughter] Yeah.

35:52 They made they made robot rabbits and they made them they made them

35:56 they put them in these boxes and they they they generated fake body

35:59 heat and and and and the scent of rabbits and everything and it

36:05 did attract it did pull the snakes but it pulled everything else too.

36:08 So what ended up happening is the the snake's

36:12 only natural predator was these was was alligators

36:16 and the alligators was[ __] these things up

36:19 and the the snakes purposely avoid the al the alligators.

36:24 So it end up having the opposite effect.

36:25 The snakes stayed away and the alligators were[ __] these boxes up.

36:29 Oh wow.

36:30 And it was almost a complete waste.

36:32 But then one of the nerds as they were about to shut the whole[ __] thing down,

36:36 he noticed in the data that what they actually found out.

36:42 So they plugged it into AI and the AI did

36:44 this whole[ __] map of all the data cuz because

36:48 apparently before every attack the uh the those boxes were

36:52 still like tracking movement and everything what was going on.

36:55 And they found out that the animals have like highways.

37:00 So, it's not that the snakes were in random places.

37:02 It's that is that the snakes and the alligators

37:05 were using these these highways that only they could smell

37:10 of of like the quickest ways to get through the Everglades and stuff like that.

37:14 And so they were able So now they just they know where they are and they

37:17 know how they get from one part of the of the swamp to the to the other.

37:22 Ah, and they didn't.

37:23 So we learned something.

37:24 We still don't know what the[ __] to do about the pythons.

37:27 They use dogs a lot where the dogs find the eggs.

37:31 Well, they they've trained these two dogs specifically,

37:33 but but they got to the point where it's like it,

37:37 you know, you just it's just so much ground to cover.

37:39 Two dogs ain't going to do it.

37:40 And it would cuz So that's the problem with the pythons.

37:42 I mean, we could wipe them out if we wanted.

37:44 I don't think we can.

37:45 Well, well, the problem

37:46 the Everglades are so big.

37:47 Well, that's my point is we can't af We just haven't found a way

37:52 where we can do it where it doesn't cost just a crazy amount of money.

37:56 Well, you think about all the money they do spend[ __] on.

37:59 Like, if they got all this Somali daycare center money back,

38:02 they can kill [laughter] the SP.

38:05 Yo, did you see Ilhan Omar?

38:07 She was reading off of a script.

38:10 She's the woman who's a congresswoman

38:12 from Minnesota from Minneapolis and she was

38:15 read she's connected at least accused

38:18 of being connected to the Somali daycare center.

38:21 She's Somali.

38:22 She's accused of being connected to this fraud.

38:25 So, she's reading off this uh script and you know how people

38:29 write World War II and they use like I I for two.

38:33 Okay.

38:33 Yeah.

38:34 She reads it as World War 11.

38:38 [laughter] This is a congress person.

38:41 She's a congresswoman.

38:42 See if you can find the video, Jamie.

38:44 It's It's kind of adorable.

38:46 It's kind of adorable because I don't

38:48 think English is her first language already.

38:50 At least it doesn't.

38:51 Last time the Alien Enemies Act was invoked,

38:54 it was used to detain and deport German,

38:58 Japanese, Italian immigrants during World War 11.

39:04 OH, TWO.

39:06 AT LEAST [screaming] she caught it, though.

39:07 I didn't know she caught it.

39:08 I never saw that.

39:09 They always cut it off before she caught it.

39:12 Well, that's politics, bro.

39:14 Politics is[ __] brutal, man.

39:15 It's gross.

39:16 I don't understand why anybody would want to go into it.

39:19 But you m how could you say World War 11?

39:21 Like you know there haven't been Oh, but I've said

39:24 nine other wars you forgot about.

39:26 But I've said way dumber[ __] than [laughter]

39:29 But have you ever readen off a written speech?

39:32 I mean Oh man, I'm I would almost be you know I do on a daily basis

39:38 I do things or say things that like I'm

39:45 like I I definitely shouldn't have children, you know?

39:48 Like I'm I'm

39:49 Well, if you did, they'd make fun of you.

39:50 I forget say stupid[ __] and my kids make fun of me.

39:53 It's normal.

39:55 Yeah.

39:55 It's part of being a person to pretend that you don't say stupid[

39:58 __] But the thing is like you and I say stupid[ __] publicly.

40:02 Like we'll say stupid[ __] on a podcast.

40:04 Oh yeah.

40:04 And sometimes sometimes you get paid to pay for it.

40:08 Mhm.

40:07 But I'm talking about stuff that I would

40:09 that I would be embarrassed to have said publicly

40:11 like World War I.

40:12 Yeah.

40:13 Like World War I because I I'm telling you, I do[ __] like that all the time.

40:16 I have I have wacky uh Tony makes fun of me

40:19 all the time cuz he's like you're like a cartoon character.

40:21 I I have that kind of luck where

40:23 it's like sometimes I just have those days, man.

40:25 I wake I woke I wake up this happened

40:27 like the remember when I was so last Tuesday, right?

40:30 last bottom of the barrel.

40:32 You walked in the green room and I told you I I went

40:35 to go smell the candle and I didn't know those you know jelly roll candles

40:38 and it it's a bong and I wasn't thinking about it and I went

40:42 to smell the candle and poured the wax on my clothes right before I

40:44 got to go off stage and I was wearing like light pants so

40:47 it looked like I[ __] on my pants as the wax was drying

40:51 and and and that's why I went home early that day cuz I was like

40:55 it was one of those days I woke up and the day started that way.

40:58 I I I woke up to my CPAP machine crashing

41:01 on the floor because I rolled over and pulled it off my nightstand.

41:05 And I get up to go to go deal with that and I[ __] stubbed my toe and I'm like,

41:09 "It's going to be one of these days.

41:10 It's going to be one of these[ __] days.

41:11 I'm going to drop drop a glass in the kitchen, you know."

41:15 So you just said, "Let's call it a day." I said, "Let we got to call it.

41:17 Go home.

41:18 Go right to sleep."

41:19 Interesting.

41:19 Yeah.

41:19 Yeah.

41:20 So you gave up on the day?

41:22 No, I still I mean I still ended up at the [laughter]

41:23 I ended up at the mothership that night, but I But how your set was good though?

41:27 My set was good, but I took a nap.

41:29 I napped till the mother ship.

41:30 Nothing can happen while I'm sleep.

41:32 Take this edible, take a strong nap, get to the mother ship, do my leave.

41:35 Almost like it's a new day cuz you just woke up.

41:38 Mhm.

41:38 But no, but then I spilled the wax on me.

41:41 Oh.

41:40 So my brain was like, you don't get to cheat.

41:43 Interesting.

41:44 The idea of good days and bad days based on just like

41:47 that's this is what the the world has planned for you today.

41:50 This is a bad day.

41:51 You know what it is?

41:52 is if I don't get the sunshine,

41:55 like I because I'm a night owl, which kind of sucks,

41:57 but if if either I need to stay up

42:00 for the sunshine cuz my I got the blackout curtains,

42:03 but if I if I wake up late in the day and I don't get no sunshine,

42:07 I just I feel dumber.

42:08 Yeah, definitely.

42:09 I do too.

42:11 Yeah.

42:11 Yeah.

42:11 And when I if I wake up late,

42:12 even if I get a good amount of sleep, like more than 5 hours,

42:16 but if I was up really late at night and then I wake up late,

42:19 I feel off cuz your whole system's all scrambled.

42:22 Your system is used to waking up in the morning and going to bed at night.

42:26 But if you stay up late, like your brain is working on like 40% capacity.

42:31 Sometimes I sometimes I cuz I'll get I'm a big gamer.

42:35 Sometimes I'll get it and I'm one of those people

42:36 like if I pay $60 for a game or now

42:39 it's like $80 but I'mma play the[ __] out of like

42:41 the day it come out I'm playing it all night.

42:44 So you playing online or you playing the game itself?

42:47 Both.

42:48 Both.

42:48 It depends.

42:48 It depends on the game.

42:49 What is the games that you like?

42:50 Uh all type of[ __] Like what's the big one right now?

42:54 Right now the game I'm playing the most is called Deadlock.

42:57 It's not It's not avail It's not open available to the public.

43:00 It is?

43:01 No, you

43:01 Dude, you're a developer.

43:02 How do you get this[ __] No, but you can get you have to be invited.

43:05 It's a closed what would they call it?

43:06 A closed beta or play test.

43:08 Closed play test.

43:09 That's how hardcore you are.

43:10 You get invited to beta tests.

43:12 Oh, yeah.

43:12 I got I got a bunch of nerdy friends.

43:16 Wow.

43:15 Uh yeah.

43:16 Actually, my little one of my little nerd groups is like

43:18 it's it through one of the servers at the mother ship.

43:20 We all game.

43:21 We we on the same Discord.

43:23 We'll get on there.

43:23 We Cuz it's nice to have a group where

43:25 it's like some new[ __] come out and we like yo this is death lock.

43:29 Oh yeah.

43:30 This looks cool.

43:31 This[ __] cooler than a[ __] Oh wow.

43:33 It also will make you mad as[ __]

43:36 So

43:35 So it's third person.

43:36 So you're looking at it in third person.

43:38 Yeah, it's third person.

43:39 And you get to pick who you are.

43:40 Oh, what was that?

43:41 Yeah.

43:41 Yeah.

43:41 Yeah.

43:41 There.

43:42 Right now I think there's 34 characters.

43:45 So look, that's all different people.

43:47 I know.

43:48 What is There's a lot of information on the screen that just popped up.

43:51 Oh yeah.

43:51 Yeah.

43:51 What's all those [laughter] buddy?

43:54 This

43:54 What are all those things?

43:55 This is crazy.

43:56 I'm gonna[ __] this up in a bunch of people.

43:57 Okay.

43:58 So So basically Okay.

44:01 So, so basically, so see see that bottom that bottom left number,

44:06 the green number, 3003.

44:09 Yeah.

44:08 Okay.

44:08 So, those are souls, which is just money, right?

44:11 Money's or souls.

44:13 Yeah.

44:13 In this game, just think of souls as dollars.

44:15 So, she's got $3,000.

44:17 And basically, so what she the thing she just left

44:21 is the is the is the lane she was in.

44:24 And basically, how good how well you're playing the game,

44:26 how many kills you get, how many minions you're getting, you get more money.

44:30 And the money lets you go buy those items.

44:32 That's what all those cards are underneath those people.

44:33 It tells you what everyone's bought.

44:36 Okay.

44:35 And since this[ __] got the most money,

44:37 she's bought the most stuff, which makes her stronger.

44:39 So, this game's all about snow.

44:40 It's all about getting getting the money to get stronger faster so you can win.

44:44 Oh, okay.

44:45 Yeah.

44:45 She So, and and you It's like a zipline.

44:47 Is she on a zipline here?

44:48 Yeah.

44:48 Yeah.

44:48 Because if you see the see on the right hand side,

44:51 that's that that's the map.

44:52 She's So, there's three different there's three

44:55 different lanes you have to control, right?

44:57 And that big that big box is like the Man, this is a lot to uh

45:04 Is this like League of Legends but on the ground?

45:06 Exactly.

45:07 Okay.

45:07 I'm glad you put it like that.

45:08 But but that doesn't help Joe at all.

45:11 He's like Yeah.

45:13 [laughter]

45:14 Okay.

45:14 So So, so see the yellow side.

45:17 See the yellow side on on the left hand side of the map.

45:19 Okay.

45:19 That first tower is where you start at.

45:22 And and the point is to get stronger.

45:24 Get underneath that.

45:25 Destroy it.

45:25 Then you work down to the second one.

45:27 That one is a little stronger.

45:28 It defends itself.

45:29 That's what she's in front of right now.

45:30 Right.

45:31 And then they're on teams.

45:33 Yeah.

45:33 Yeah.

45:33 It's two teams trying to And you're basically you're trying to work yourself

45:36 down to their base and kill the kill the one in their base.

45:39 Oh wow.

45:39 So you gang you join up with a team of guys that are playing this online.

45:43 Yeah.

45:43 It's six on six.

45:45 Oh wow.

45:46 Um but then they just But here's the thing.

45:48 This is all very complicated and all this, but they just introduced brawl mode,

45:52 which is or street brawl, which is basically it knocks it down to four on four.

45:56 It t it makes it one lane and it gives you random items.

46:00 So you don't have to do any of the complicated[

46:03 __] You can just get in and get in.

46:06 So you get in, run around, grab something, and beat people up with it.

46:09 Yeah.

46:09 Like the the So basically the the brawl mode is

46:11 just a condensed version of the game where you're just fighting.

46:14 You're not you don't have to worry about managing anything.

46:16 Boy, that looks like it would take up a lot of time.

46:18 Oh, buddy.

46:19 [laughter] Yeah, cuz here because here's the thing.

46:21 This what's crazy about[ __] like that is if you're if somehow you

46:26 end up in a game where everyone

46:28 knows what they're doing and everyone's communicating,

46:30 one of those games can be over in 25 minutes.

46:33 But if you're on a that's probably not going to happen.

46:37 It so it could go anywhere from 25 minutes and I to to an hour.

46:40 I've seen games go an hour.

46:42 Yeah.

46:43 So it's like but most of if a game is going

46:45 that long it's just because it's either because people are playing with you

46:49 because it's one of those things where like if you get be

46:51 if you get behind to a certain point you can't come back.

46:54 That's the whole point of the game.

46:55 Oh really?

46:56 Yeah.

46:56 It's it's the whole point is a snowball.

46:58 It's like I'm so much stronger than you that there's nothing you can do.

47:01 It gets to the point where I'm just abusing you.

47:03 Okay.

47:03 It's just because they've collected the most stuff

47:05 because they just they they had they've had the most money for the longest.

47:08 Oh.

47:09 and they can just keep buying better and better[ __]

47:11 than you and there's nothing you can do about it.

47:13 Um, but my point is you the point is for you

47:14 to get to a certain point and just end the game.

47:17 But some people don't know when that is.

47:20 You know, here's the quick uh three sentence overview of what

47:23 the game is is a futuristic urban fantasy New York.

47:29 You're gods part of an occult ritual trying to destroy each other.

47:33 Yeah.

47:33 So I'll be So the back the backstory is an event happened called the malstrom

47:38 that [laughter]

47:40 Yeah.

47:41 Yeah.

47:41 No, this is just the back story.

47:42 It opened up a portal that let magic magic into the world

47:46 and all of these people got all these abilities and powers and stuff like that

47:50 and and there's two opposing gods in some other dimension and they

47:55 want you to summon them so they can cross over into this realm.

47:59 And and so there when so the team you're on is whichever god you're working for,

48:05 right?

48:05 And if you when you win the game,

48:06 that's supposed to be you completing the ritual.

48:08 And if you help complete the ritual, you get a wish.

48:11 And so when you when you go to each character,

48:13 it tells you their backstory and what they

48:14 want what wish they want when they get there.

48:17 Oh, okay.

48:17 Yeah.

48:17 And some people don't want nothing.

48:18 They just want to[ __] people up.

48:20 And how long you been playing this game?

48:22 [sighs] It's been probably, I don't know, a year and a half.

48:28 So, this seems super complicated and like

48:30 it would dedicate a considerable amount of thinking.

48:33 It's very complex.

48:34 You cuz you don't you you don't even know what

48:38 the[ __] you're doing for like the first 200 hours.

48:41 [laughter] Like it it takes about 200 hours before you're like,

48:45 "Okay, I kind of I kind of get what's going on."

48:48 This is the kind of things that [clears throat] people without kids say.

48:50 Oh, yeah.

48:51 That's what I'm saying.

48:51 I I just I can't I'm not I'm definitely I'm definitely a 43 year old child.

48:56 Like I don't live like an adult.

48:58 Yeah.

48:59 No, I live like almost like a frat like a frat boy or something.

49:04 Well, if you could pull it off,

49:06 those are when you ask people cuz some

49:09 of the happiest times of their life [laughter] for

49:12 when they were young and free.

49:13 Especially people that don't like what they do,

49:16 right?

49:16 People get a job and they don't like it

49:18 and then they have responsibilities and they can't leave their job.

49:20 __] Or people that get a wife and don't like her.

49:22 That happens a lot.

49:23 That happens too much.

49:24 Well, that happens too much.

49:25 [laughter] and a husband you don't like too.

49:27 Both both sides.

49:28 Oh yeah, that's probably worse.

49:30 It happen.

49:30 Well, both of them are bad, but it happens a lot.

49:33 A lot of people.

49:35 Are you gaming one of these, Brian?

49:37 Um, that was insane.

49:41 That's But that seems like how you should be playing a game like this, right?

49:44 Yeah.

49:44 In a dark room.

49:45 Let's talk.

49:46 Yeah.

49:47 I mean, but the thing is that I don't think that chair is very comfortable.

49:50 How dare you?

49:51 That chair goes upside down.

49:52 You're laying down, brother.

49:54 There's versions of it you could make.

49:55 You could customize.

49:55 Oh[ __] How much?

49:56 Six grand.

49:57 So wait a minute.

49:57 It

49:58 This is zero gravity.

49:59 Watch.

49:59 Hit the different images.

50:01 Look at it.

50:02 It's like that, Brian.

50:03 Oh, that's crazy.

50:04 That's what I'm talking about.

50:05 That's crazy.

50:05 But what else does it do?

50:06 Does it massage?

50:07 Sucks your dick.

50:08 I mean, 10 grand.

50:10 Mouth comes out.

50:10 Just sucks your dick.

50:12 Yeah, I'll take that.

50:13 Can you piss in that?

50:14 Well, it used to be 10 grand.

50:15 It's on sale.

50:16 They have the one that's also like the Have you seen the bed version?

50:19 The what?

50:20 Well, this one.

50:21 This one does go backwards, right?

50:23 Show Show a version of it where it's completely reclined.

50:26 That's what I was trying to

50:27 You got this[ __] don't you, Jamie?

50:28 No, but I've said Oh, it's a Scorpion.

50:32 Let me show you something else.

50:32 Hold on.

50:34 So,

50:34 that's pretty wicked.

50:36 And so, you can adjust that and you can

50:38 make the screen right in front of your face.

50:40 Yeah, bro.

50:40 I'm about to skip four heart treatments and get that chair.

50:43 [laughter]

50:49 I'm about to get that[ __]

50:51 This is the other version.

50:52 That one's pretty cool, too.

50:53 It's quite the same.

50:55 I actually prefer what we're looking at here.

50:58 This do you?

51:00 Well,

50:59 you prefer that to the the one that you lie back.

51:02 Cuz I don't I don't use a only The only games I use a controller with is Madden.

51:06 So, you're a a mouse and keyboard guy.

51:09 Yeah.

51:09 Almost exclusively.

51:10 That's what I am.

51:11 A little futon built on.

51:13 I never play.

51:13 I never figured out how to use.

51:15 __] that futon.

51:15 Listen, if you going to Who's choosing a futon?

51:19 If you got the money for a good gaming PC, you you better not have no futon.

51:23 Well, that's He just went all in on the gaming PC.

51:26 Yeah.

51:26 I mean, no choice, no chance of[ __]

51:29 My shit's got kind of my It's gotten kind of crazy recently.

51:33 Yeah.

51:32 Oh, yeah.

51:32 Did I Did I ain't never show you?

51:34 Check this[ __] out.

51:35 What you got?

51:36 Um, hold on.

51:37 Let make sure.

51:38 Are there any other ones that do it with a even bigger screen like that?

51:41 That kind of a deal?

51:42 Like what is the ultimate setup for like

51:44 somebody like a Bill Gates wanted to start?

51:47 There's a new uh like the for the F1 rig we have.

51:52 Yeah.

51:52 There's a new screen that's come out that's like a 106 even.

51:56 I don't know.

51:57 So that that's my[ __] right there.

51:59 Ooh.

52:00 Oh, you got a dual monitor setup.

52:02 Curved monitors.

52:04 Two uh dope super ultra wide.

52:06 [sighs] That's a problem.

52:08 Yeah, it's a problem.

52:09 That's a problem.

52:11 Yeah, it is.

52:12 Um I'm going to send this to me.

52:14 Send it to me and I'll send it to Jamie.

52:16 Oh, do you have Jamie's number?

52:17 Yeah, I know.

52:18 I got Jamie's number.

52:18 Send it to Jamie because that that image is crazy.

52:20 We need to show people that image.

52:22 That's a problem.

52:23 If I had that, that'd be a real problem.

52:26 Um Jamie, don't I got your number?

52:27 Don't

52:29 I do my best writing,

52:31 like when I get the most done on my laptop

52:34 because I don't ever look at anything else on that laptop.

52:39 The only time I use the internet at all is

52:41 to check things to like find out if something's real.

52:44 And even that I don't use anymore because I use Perplexity for that now.

52:47 I just talk into the the phone.

52:50 But when if you have that much distraction,

52:54 like two monitors like that, I would never leave.

52:57 I would just be playing games all It's too fun.

53:00 It's It's a It's too much.

53:02 It's too much sometimes.

53:03 It is.

53:03 It is.

53:04 And uh it's a they're a[ __] problem, man.

53:08 Games are a problem because they're so good.

53:11 You know what it is, man?

53:11 Is it It's a It's a dopamine drip.

53:14 Look at that.

53:14 Look at that setup, bro.

53:16 What's that thing on the right?

53:19 Um, that is for controlling the sound.

53:23 So So basically like uh so say I'm in the I'm in the chat.

53:28 I'm in the Discord chat and uh

53:32 uh and and I got a YouTube video planned and I'm in the middle of a game.

53:36 Right.

53:37 Right.

53:37 Then I don't I can I can reach over and turn down the volume of the game so I

53:43 can hear somebody more clearly or turn up the music

53:46 and without having to open up anything on my That's crazy.

53:49 You are an addict.

53:51 [laughter] Yeah.

53:52 Jamie, you don't have that, do you?

53:54 I was going to show you mine.

53:55 He's got I've got way more than that.

53:58 [laughter]

53:58 Oh yeah.

53:59 No.

53:59 Yeah.

53:59 Jamie's out of control.

54:01 I have I have a soundboard played or connected into mine

54:04 so I can[ __] with [clears throat] people and stuff.

54:07 Can you can you blur that top thing cuz that's got it's got people's names.

54:11 Yeah, I saw that.

54:11 Yeah, I will.

54:12 Um yeah, but like I can record sound like live sound when someone's

54:16 chatting and I can record their voice and play it back like instantly.

54:20 That's amazing.

54:20 This is me not streaming.

54:21 I'm I'm going to start streaming this summer.

54:23 So, I'm going to have to add a couple of things.

54:25 So, you're going to start playing video games and streaming it?

54:28 Yeah, you can make a lot of money.

54:29 It's easy money, too.

54:30 It's crazy cuz you're already going to play games.

54:31 And I know some I know some people just like they don't

54:33 go on the road because they make so much money doing this.

54:36 Wow.

54:36 But the problem is how long is that going to last?

54:39 Going on the road is forever.

54:41 Oh yeah, but you can always do that.

54:42 Yeah, but you might not have an audience anymore.

54:44 You have that audience?

54:45 Oh, that's true.

54:46 But they'll be they'll be still stuck.

54:48 You ever you ever had T pay on here?

54:52 No.

54:51 Yeah.

54:51 T Payne he's one of like he don't he's like yo

54:54 you got to you got to offer me a lot of money.

54:56 because he still goes on the road, but it's like you gotta pay him because

54:58 he makes so he's like, "Why would I leave?

55:00 Why would I take less money to leave my house?" So, he just streams.

55:04 He streams.

55:04 Yeah.

55:04 His setup he's got is[ __] crazy.

55:07 It's insane.

55:09 Yeah.

55:08 He's like, we have one F1 setup.

55:10 I think he bought six.

55:11 Uh he's got his whole studios in one room.

55:14 He's got the racing room over here.

55:16 He's got the the I think probably four different rooms for different things.

55:21 So, and he'll game or he'll have on guests or he'll just

55:24 make a he'll just make a song live in front of you.

55:27 It's just his like normal live setup.

55:28 He's got he's got fun setups.

55:32 He's got See, he's got multiple screens around there.

55:35 Oh, that's crazy.

55:35 So, he has a whole room dedicated.

55:37 Oh yeah.

55:38 Oh my god.

55:39 It's all wired together, too.

55:41 Oh, so when he's streaming, how is he making money?

55:45 Sponsors.

55:46 I think he he's definitely a Twitch partner of some kind.

55:49 Okay.

55:49 So you you get sponsors and like how much do you think he's making?

55:54 __] I I couldn't I don't even I mean if I had to speculate.

55:57 Yeah, speculate.

55:58 I would say he's probably make pulling in at least

56:04 a quarter million a month or something like that.

56:06 Probably more than that.

56:07 Just playing video games.

56:08 Just just streaming.

56:09 He don't even have to play video games.

56:10 Sometimes he's just talking.

56:11 That's crazy.

56:12 Just Well, there's a lot of that, right?

56:14 A lot of streamers.

56:15 Yeah.

56:15 That there's

56:16 like a lot of political streamers that just talking.

56:18 There's different people that do different things.

56:19 There's in there's they call them IRL streamers.

56:22 There's nuisance streamers where they nuisance.

56:24 Yeah.

56:24 They just walk around with people.

56:26 __] with people.

56:26 Yeah.

56:27 Two drip simulators, two circuit racing simulators,

56:30 and one flight simulator down there at the end.

56:33 So, this is the VR room.

56:36 Wow.

56:35 The computer I play on is right here.

56:37 You step down here.

56:40 Wa.

56:39 It's VR.

56:40 We got sensors in the roof.

56:41 This is the workshop.

56:42 It was just a utility room, but I'm like, why not put 3D printers in there?

56:46 This is 3D printers.

56:47 As you can see, I took a lot of inspiration from Tron.

56:50 Hold on.

56:51 [laughter]

56:52 That's amazing.

56:53 And was And he's And he's married though.

56:56 Yeah.

56:56 But he's making money.

56:57 This is his wife.

56:58 [laughter] How's his wife going to complain?

57:00 You want to go shopping?

57:01 Listen, lady.

57:02 This is how we make the money for you to go shopping.

57:04 You're right.

57:04 You're right.

57:05 You know, I mean, she can't complain if that's what you actually earn money at.

57:09 You know, my wife used to complain

57:10 about the podcast before I started making money.

57:13 Really?

57:13 Well, she was like, "You don't have to do that." I was like, "I do.

57:14 I have to do it." I told people I'd be doing

57:16 it on Monday at x amount of whatever whatever time it was you.

57:21 But that's just always

57:23 how long until you were like I could[ __] this is making money.

57:26 Oh, it took years.

57:28 I didn't even try.

57:28 I never tried to make any money with it.

57:30 I always did it for free.

57:32 I did it for fun.

57:33 For how many years?

57:34 I didn't make money for years.

57:36 Oh wow.

57:37 Zero money for years.

57:39 I never even thought of it making money.

57:41 It was just for fun.

57:42 I would just have everybody come over like Siguro would come over,

57:45 Eddie Bravo would come over, Joey would come over, Duncan.

57:47 We would just talk[ __] and just have laughs.

57:50 It was just for fun.

57:51 We enjoyed the[ __] out of it.

57:52 We had a vaporizer.

57:55 This giant bag, the volcano.

57:57 Yeah, the volcano.

57:58 Oh my god, the thing was horrendous.

58:00 I remember when them things first came out.

58:02 They[ __] a lot of people's world.

58:03 __] a lot of people[ __] our world up.

58:04 There's a lot of podcasts in the early days

58:06 that are unlistenable or watchable because we're just obliterated.

58:09 And I I thought it could never get past that.

58:11 And now they got, you know, then they then people came up with the dabs, bro.

58:16 Jelly Roll has this machine.

58:17 It looks like a robot.

58:19 It looks like a little like a little Pokemon robot.

58:21 Yeah.

58:21 Wait a minute.

58:21 Is it that Cuz Frank Castillo is one of the He's like sponsored by those people.

58:26 That's crazy.

58:27 Those things are crazy.

58:28 It's called Peak.

58:28 The Peak people.

58:29 You don't know.

58:30 I don't know if it's a Peak.

58:31 It looks like it's a device.

58:32 He scared me just looking at it.

58:33 Can you look up the Peak Pro?

58:34 It's big like this uh like this French press.

58:37 Yeah, bro.

58:38 And listen and every time I see Frank, they've come out with a new one.

58:41 They have one that they have one that's like a Sherlock Holmes pipe.

58:43 It's all electronic and it's all for dabs.

58:46 But every time every time he visits me,

58:47 he's like, "Hey, bro, check this[ __] out."

58:48 People like him with a reason why weed still isn't legal.

58:51 [laughter]

58:52 Well, actually, I just read something today that Trump is Trump is making um

58:56 It's schedule three now.

58:57 Yeah.

58:57 Oh, he Oh, it's done.

58:58 It's done.

58:58 Weed.

58:59 Yeah, weed is schedule three.

59:01 So, schedule three.

59:02 First of all, it should be right with alcohol.

59:04 If you're 21, leave me the[ __] alone.

59:08 Wait, is what is what schedule is alcohol?

59:10 Alcohol is not scheduled.

59:11 It's not a prohibitive substance.

59:12 I don't think alcohol is scheduled like that.

59:14 Alcohol for 21 and older is totally legal.

59:18 So, schedule one, which is where weed was, which is so crazy.

59:22 Said it had no medicinal benefit, harm, addiction.

59:26 Now, I won't argue addiction because I don't think

59:31 I totally understand it the way other people understand it.

59:34 I think it's highly genetic.

59:37 I think addiction is very genetic because people keep telling

59:40 me that cigarettes are addictive and that nicotine is addictive.

59:43 I recently got off of um nicotine patches and I started taking ultra patches.

59:48 Do you know what these are?

59:49 Pouches rather.

59:50 They're it's like neutropics.

59:52 It's like vitamins like brain vitamins.

59:54 Is there nicotine in there?

59:55 No, no, no.

59:56 Um and when I started doing it, I was like, "Okay,

59:59 I wonder if I'm going to like I've been doing a You want to try one?

1:00:02 Here.

1:00:04 That one's empty.

1:00:05 Um, I just bought these off of Amazon, but um,

1:00:09 I was like, I've done it before when I went on vacation.

1:00:12 Like, I didn't have them at all and I didn't have any withdrawals.

1:00:15 But then I talked to Macan and Macan said that when he got off of them,

1:00:19 it was like two weeks where he was like[ __] super tense and yelling at people.

1:00:22 No, no, no.

1:00:23 Oh, nicotine.

1:00:24 Nicotine pouches or cigarettes.

1:00:26 He got off of all of it.

1:00:28 Um, and then I hear, but so my point is I think it's a biological thing.

1:00:33 I don't think I have the bi I I get addicted to stuff.

1:00:38 I get addicted to doing things like I get I used to be addicted to video games.

1:00:43 I would definitely get addicted again if I started playing.

1:00:45 I get addicted to pool.

1:00:47 I get addicted to martial arts.

1:00:48 I get addicted to doing stuff.

1:00:50 I get addicted to archery.

1:00:52 But I don't think I get addict I probably

1:00:54 would if it was like oxies or something like that.

1:00:56 I get I think that's just too strong.

1:00:58 That would just get I think I'm too much

1:00:59 of a control freak to get addicted to any kind of hard

1:01:02 Well, you quit cigarettes like that.

1:01:04 Yeah, but you know what?

1:01:05 You know why it was easy?

1:01:06 It's because I had a heart attack.

1:01:07 Yeah, but the heart attack did it for you.

1:01:09 It did.

1:01:09 And and I already felt like[ __] so

1:01:11 I didn't go I didn't The withdrawals were nothing.

1:01:14 Um I'm going to send you something.

1:01:16 Uh Jamie, this is kind of crazy, but uh I sent this to Tom Cigur.

1:01:19 I said, "It's time to start smoking again."

1:01:21 Because there's this guy that's making this argument

1:01:23 that there's a benefit to smoking as long as you do it with the proper diet,

1:01:30 that there's some sort of an actual benefit to cigarette smoking.

1:01:33 Because one of the things about these blue zones where people like live forever,

1:01:37 a lot of these people that are like living that are really old,

1:01:39 they smoke cigarettes.

1:01:41 Yeah.

1:01:42 That's what tripped me the[ __] out.

1:01:43 Like you know, every time they every time they go,

1:01:44 "This is the oldest person alive.

1:01:46 They 109 right now." And they ask them,

1:01:48 they go, "What's your secret?" They go, "Uh, smoke.

1:01:50 I drink fire water.

1:01:51 [laughter] And [snorts]

1:01:53 so listen to this.

1:01:54 Smoking is good for them.

1:01:56 Top heart surgeons claim is breaking the internet.

1:01:59 Clip is exploding after cardiothoracic surgeon Dr.

1:02:02 Steven Gundry made a claim that's turning everything

1:02:05 people thought they knew about smoking upside down.

1:02:07 His argument is smoking, specifically nicotine,

1:02:10 can have real benefits when paired with the right lifestyle.

1:02:13 At one point he even says about a patient

1:02:16 probably it's because he smoked that he's doing so well.

1:02:19 points to long living populations where heavy smoking is common.

1:02:22 Claims that in part of sardinia,

1:02:24 95% of men smoke and live longer than the women.

1:02:27 Says nicotine acts as a powerful mitochondrial up uncoupler.

1:02:31 Uh argues that the damage blamed on smoking can be offset

1:02:35 by diet and suggest that we've been looking at it completely backwards.

1:02:39 According to him, the real question isn't why smoking harms people.

1:02:43 It's why some smokers live longer and what we're missing.

1:02:47 So, there's a video in here.

1:02:49 Listen to him talk about it because it's

1:02:51 it's eight minutes long.

1:02:51 I don't know.

1:02:52 Yeah, but just play a little bit of it because it's kind of interesting.

1:02:55 Credit to Dr.

1:02:56 Mike on YouTube.

1:02:58 [snorts] Been smoking for 45 years and they're living a healthy life.

1:03:03 And they say it's cuz I smoke and obviously we

1:03:05 laugh about it because we all agree that it's not true.

1:03:08 So, why did this one case move you?

1:03:10 So,

1:03:10 actually, let me stop you right there.

1:03:13 Probably it's because he smoked that he's doing so well.

1:03:16 Okay, we need to back up.

1:03:18 How how do we get there?

1:03:20 Uh well, I have a whole whole chapter in gut check looking at the healthiest,

1:03:25 longest living people.

1:03:26 And one of the unique features of most of the blue

1:03:28 zones is that particularly the men are heavy smokers

1:03:33 and the smoking actually the nicotine in cigarettes is

1:03:38 one of the best mitochondrial unconlers that's ever been discovered.

1:03:42 And we've looked at this through the wrong wrong lens.

1:03:46 We said, "Wow, what other healthy lifestyle things are

1:03:49 these guys doing that's preventing smoking from harming them?

1:03:53 In fact, we should have looked at it the other way.

1:03:55 What is it about these people who are smokers that allows them to live to 105,

1:04:01 110 years old?" And when you do that, then you say,

1:04:05 "Okay, smoking was good for them.

1:04:07 Why don't we see the oxidative stress that smoking we all know occurs?

1:04:13 Why don't we see the cancers in these people?

1:04:15 And it's because the rest of their diet facilitates

1:04:19 the absorption of the oxidative stress in these guys.

1:04:22 So your state is that if you smoke but eat in this specific way,

1:04:28 you can negate the effects of smoking, the negative effects of smoking.

1:04:31 Yeah.

1:04:31 What's fascinating as a heart surgeon, uh, way back in the good old days,

1:04:35 most of our patients were smokers and they

1:04:38 had specific proximal lesions in their coronary arteries.

1:04:43 The rest of their blood vessels were absolutely

1:04:47 gorgeous and they were skinny for the most part.

1:04:50 So,

1:04:51 how did you gauge that?

1:04:52 Did you What do you mean we operate on

1:04:54 But you operate on what other vessels that you saw?

1:04:58 Like you would do peripheral arterial disease screenings on those patients

1:05:01 and you would find I used to operate on because one of the number one risk

1:05:05 factors for peripheral arterial disease is smoking.

1:05:08 Correct.

1:05:08 Because the smoking the oxidative stress isn't

1:05:13 facil isn't stopped by our current diet.

1:05:17 Let me give you an example.

1:05:20 Okay.

1:05:20 Um we're one of the few animals that don't make vitamin C.

1:05:24 Mhm.

1:05:25 And vitamin C.

1:05:26 And I've written about this.

1:05:28 So sure, keep going here.

1:05:30 We get it.

1:05:31 I mean, it he's send people to Dr.

1:05:34 Mike's YouTube channel for the rest of it.

1:05:36 But

1:05:37 Dr.

1:05:37 Mike wasn't having it.

1:05:38 Well, he didn't know.

1:05:39 I mean, this guy's the expert.

1:05:40 And this guy lays it.

1:05:42 And Dr.

1:05:42 Mike's open-minded.

1:05:43 He's he's probably what he's saying is making sense.

1:05:46 It made sense to me.

1:05:47 It's the poor diet.

1:05:49 No.

1:05:49 Yeah.

1:05:49 That's That's why I was I was hoping

1:05:50 that video would give me hope, but I'm like, "Bro,

1:05:53 I could if I could change my diet,

1:05:54 I wouldn't have had the heart attack." [laughter] You know,

1:05:58 like, "Oh, so I'm I'm going to have I'm going

1:06:00 to get this perfect diet so I can smoke." Nah,

1:06:02 I don't think it's a perfect diet.

1:06:04 I think you just got to move to Italy.

1:06:05 Bro, whenever I whenever I go there on vacation,

1:06:08 I'm like, "Why am I trying so hard?

1:06:10 What am I doing?

1:06:11 How come I'm not just chilling?"

1:06:13 Well, you know, that that's the thing about Italy

1:06:14 is they have a they have a culture of chilling.

1:06:17 Yeah.

1:06:18 Yeah.

1:06:18 Like their culture.

1:06:19 I forget what they call it.

1:06:21 But is it siesta?

1:06:22 No, that's Mexicans.

1:06:24 They call it like that nap they take during the middle of the day.

1:06:26 Yeah, that's only No, no, no.

1:06:27 It's It's a Spanish thing, too.

1:06:29 Oh, okay.

1:06:30 Yeah.

1:06:30 Yeah.

1:06:30 Yeah.

1:06:30 They But they I didn't know they did it in Mexico.

1:06:33 Obviously, it's Spanish word, right?

1:06:34 Oh, yeah.

1:06:35 I didn't know they did it in Mexico, but

1:06:36 Yeah.

1:06:36 It's a Mexican thing.

1:06:37 The Spanish are like, "Nah, middle of the afternoon, everybody napping."

1:06:40 Yeah.

1:06:40 My friend went to the Ferrari factory in Italy.

1:06:43 He said, "Dude, it's hilarious." He goes, "They barely work." He goes,

1:06:46 "They like the reason why it takes so long to get a Ferrari." He goes,

1:06:49 "These[ __] are just chilling." [laughter] And he goes,

1:06:52 "They take these big long Oh, it was Lamborghini." Yeah.

1:06:55 He said, "They take these big long breaks for lunch.

1:06:58 They eat pasta and they drink wine and they lay down.

1:07:02 They take like a couple hours for lunch and they

1:07:05 work a few more hours and then they go home.

1:07:07 They got it figured out." Well, I think we work too much, you know,

1:07:11 and this is coming from someone who works too much,

1:07:13 but I work too much at things I love.

1:07:16 It's a different thing, I think, than uh most people.

1:07:19 Most people are working too much at something that's just making them

1:07:21 money and they're probably stressed out all the time and don't enjoy it.

1:07:24 But I think if you are working less and just having more enjoyment in life,

1:07:30 what are we here for?

1:07:32 See, that's why I'm that I think

1:07:33 subconsciously that's why I've been avoiding streaming.

1:07:36 I've been talking about it for years cuz I'm like if I start making money

1:07:40 and then it becomes a job, bro.

1:07:42 I'mma be like that.

1:07:43 You know that fat kid in the chair in Wall-E.

1:07:44 You ever see that movie?

1:07:47 Yeah.

1:07:46 That I'mma transform into that.

1:07:48 [laughter] Just Uber Eats.

1:07:50 Yeah.

1:07:50 If I start making millions of dollars just eating and laying there, everybody lo

1:07:56 and no exercise at all.

1:07:58 Oh yeah.

1:07:59 Well, the more you stream, the more you make, right?

1:08:01 So there's people that stream more than eight hours a day, don't they?

1:08:04 I mean, theoretically, yeah.

1:08:06 But some people stream a lot and they don't make[ __]

1:08:08 you know?

1:08:09 Yeah.

1:08:09 But that's also podcasting.

1:08:10 There's a lot of people that are doing podcasts that aren't making any money.

1:08:13 Yeah.

1:08:13 So, yeah, but you got to stream to make money.

1:08:16 You got to be on.

1:08:17 Yeah.

1:08:17 [clears throat] But it's a very specific type of audience, too, though.

1:08:20 It's people that are watching streams.

1:08:22 Very different audience than who's watching podcasts, I would imagine.

1:08:26 [sighs] Damn.

1:08:27 It's hard to say.

1:08:30 Yeah,

1:08:29 it's hard to say.

1:08:29 Yeah, cuz I think uh I I don't know if

1:08:32 those there's probably a lot of overlap in those audiences.

1:08:35 So I don't what we were talking about before with the smoking.

1:08:37 I don't think smoking is good for your lungs.

1:08:40 I think it's bad for your lungs cuz everybody I know that quit smoking.

1:08:42 They say their cardio gets better.

1:08:44 This is a this stuff this that interview

1:08:46 you or we shared came out two years ago.

1:08:49 Oh, did it?

1:08:50 And there was some controversy around it and

1:08:52 Well, clearly.

1:08:53 Well, what does what does it mean?

1:08:54 Blue zone.

1:08:55 Well, [snorts] that that doctor places where people live longer.

1:08:57 Oh, okay.

1:08:58 Uh okay.

1:08:59 Hey, so here what it says.

1:09:00 Uh, key details regarding Dr.

1:09:02 Gundry statements.

1:09:03 Controversial claims.

1:09:03 In a conversation with Dr.

1:09:04 Mike Gundry suggested smoking could be linked to longer life,

1:09:08 observing that some long lived individuals in blue zone smoke.

1:09:11 Mechanism theory.

1:09:12 Gundry argues that nicotine functions

1:09:14 as a mitochondrial uncoupler and that a high

1:09:17 polyphenol diet may mitigate the negative effects of cigarette smoke.

1:09:21 Criticism.

1:09:22 Experts strongly disagree,

1:09:24 noting that smoking is the leading cause of premature death

1:09:26 and that any potential benefits are far outweighed by risks.

1:09:29 Right.

1:09:29 But they're not taking into consideration what he said about food.

1:09:33 Uh despite the headlines,

1:09:35 Gunley stated he does not smoke and does not encourage others to do so.

1:09:38 So he's just a scientist relaying research.

1:09:41 Yeah.

1:09:41 So what are the critics strongly disagreeing with?

1:09:43 So they're not they're not making any

1:09:44 sense because they're disagreeing but they're not addressing

1:09:47 what he's saying in terms of the high

1:09:49 polyphenol diet mitigating the negative effects of smoking.

1:09:53 Yeah.

1:09:53 I mean that's all he said was what he observed.

1:09:55 This is what I think in my years of trying and using nicotine.

1:09:59 Um I think there's something to nicotine.

1:10:02 The reason why I am backing off of it is it[ __] up my pool game.

1:10:08 Really?

1:10:08 Yeah.

1:10:08 Nicotine gives you a lot of energy and uh I think like these like these Alps,

1:10:12 these are like six milligrams and then these Lucy's I have Lucy's that are

1:10:16 12 but you put them in your mouth it's like you're sucking on a battery.

1:10:19 It's like they're so strong it's ridiculous.

1:10:22 Um they make you jittery and jittery is not good for pool.

1:10:26 Pool is a chill game.

1:10:27 Pool is like you're concentrating but you want

1:10:30 to be completely calm when you're stroking the ball.

1:10:33 Like your hand you're barely holding on to that queue.

1:10:35 I hold on the queue like I'm holding a baby bird, you know?

1:10:38 It's very calm.

1:10:39 You don't want to be like, you know,

1:10:41 so co a lot of people stop drinking coffee because they play pool.

1:10:44 Yeah.

1:10:44 Yeah.

1:10:45 Yeah.

1:10:45 Um but nicotine in particular,

1:10:48 but which is interesting because I know a lot

1:10:50 of people who smoke cigarettes who play really well.

1:10:53 Maybe it's a different feeling in terms

1:10:55 of like how it affects your body than Oh, you see that's a good question.

1:11:00 How much nicotine is in a cigarette versus like one of these ALP pouches?

1:11:06 These ALP pouches is Tucker Carlson's company.

1:11:09 It's probably also has to do with like your level of addiction.

1:11:12 Like some people are

1:11:13 fully Yeah, they some people smoke all day cigarettes just to be back to zero.

1:11:17 John Melanchamp, he was in here.

1:11:19 That dude just that was like one of the big

1:11:20 things like can I smoke during the podcast?

1:11:22 I'm like absolutely no worries.

1:11:23 I go we got a fan.

1:11:25 We smoke cigars all the time.

1:11:26 So he just chain smoked the entire podcast and he said,

1:11:30 "Find what you love and let it kill you."

1:11:32 That's what he said about cigarette smoking.

1:11:33 Oh yeah, that's a [laughter] a ch who's that who is that quote from?

1:11:37 I don't know.

1:11:38 [snorts and clears throat] Uh typical nicotine amounts.

1:11:39 Okay.

1:11:40 Standard factory-made cigarette usually contains about 10

1:11:43 to 14 milligs of nicotine and tobacco,

1:11:46 which an average smoker absorbs around 1 to 2 milligrams when smoking it.

1:11:50 Nicotine pouches are sold in strengths that commonly

1:11:53 range from 2 milligs up to 12.

1:11:55 My god.

1:11:56 Uh or more of nicotine per pouch.

1:11:58 CDC notes that they can contain high levels of nicotine.

1:12:01 Um pouches that with 6 milligrams nicotine or less were most common,

1:12:06 but higher strength 8 milligram pouches have uh been growing quickly.

1:12:10 Yeah.

1:12:11 Because people are getting addicted.

1:12:13 Cigarettes deliver nicotine to the brain very

1:12:15 fast within 10 to 20 seconds after inhalation,

1:12:18 which makes them high highly reinforcing and strongly addictive.

1:12:22 Pouches release nicotine through the lining of the mouth.

1:12:25 So the rise in blood nicotine is slower

1:12:27 and more prolonged compared with a cigarette hit.

1:12:30 Though total absorbed dose over 20 to 60 minutes can be

1:12:34 similar depending upon strength or how long the pouch is used.

1:12:37 But the thing about like pouches is people just keep popping them.

1:12:40 Like Shane, that dude just pops them every 10 minutes.

1:12:42 He's popping six milligrams like every 10 minutes.

1:12:45 Combustible cigarettes clearly more harmful overall

1:12:48 because smoke contains more than 7,000 chemicals,

1:12:51 many toxic and carcinogenic,

1:12:53 whereas pouches avoid combustion but still expose

1:12:56 you to an addictive drug with cardiovascular effects.

1:12:59 Well, that's why I'm convinced that people that do all the other

1:13:02 forms of nicotine are are way more addicted than smokers are.

1:13:06 Well, I'll tell you one thing that I felt was

1:13:07 the most addictive version of it that I tried was vaping.

1:13:12 those like Escobar things.

1:13:14 Those those are weird.

1:13:15 Here's another weird thing about those vaping ones.

1:13:18 The only good hit is the first hit.

1:13:21 Maybe the second.

1:13:22 Have you seen how vapor Have you seen

1:13:24 how vapor act when they can't find their vape?

1:13:26 Oh, they freak out.

1:13:27 It's It is

1:13:28 They get sketchy.

1:13:30 It's crazy.

1:13:31 They get crazy.

1:13:33 I saw I was in DC last year and I popped in on this comedy spot.

1:13:40 Um, and I and I go and I go to the bathroom and there's a vape

1:13:45 sitting on the sink like somebody put

1:13:46 a vape there to wash their hands or something.

1:13:50 Mhm.

1:13:49 And I go out to the bar and I remember all

1:13:52 the com I remember I bought the I bought the comics like

1:13:55 the comics are at the bar waiting to go up and I

1:13:57 bought a round for the comics and one of them was like,

1:14:00 "Oh, thanks man." and got up, went to the bathroom,

1:14:02 came back, sat next to his friend,

1:14:03 was like, "Oh, bro, I found this vape in there." And they both hid this vape.

1:14:07 So, they went, he took a vape out

1:14:08 the bathroom that somebody else was just sucking on.

1:14:11 Some guy could have been eating ass just 20 minutes ago.

1:14:14 Right.

1:14:14 Also, it was on the sink in the back in the men's room at a comedy club.

1:14:19 That's crazy.

1:14:19 Hey, I found it.

1:14:20 Let's take hits off of it.

1:14:22 That's crazy.

1:14:23 It would be tough if that was my vape and I set it on the counter and like,

1:14:26 "Oh, shit." Cuz that's probably what happened.

1:14:28 Somebody set it there out of reflex and was like,

1:14:29 "I don't want that[ __] It's been s It's right here with all this filthy maybe.

1:14:33 Or maybe they're like, I gotta leave this thing here.

1:14:35 This men's men's room sink water.

1:14:38 Nah, you could keep that.

1:14:41 You could keep and this these guys are just sucking on it at the bar.

1:14:45 But I guess if you dip it in whiskey, it'd be all right.

1:14:47 Mhm.

1:14:48 I don't know.

1:14:48 Dip it in your glass before you take a hit.

1:14:50 Bro, you could just wait till you could just wait till you get

1:14:51 to your vape cuz it's not the the first hit is the only one that's good.

1:14:57 The first hit is like euphoric.

1:14:59 The first hit of a like a Escobar,

1:15:01 you're like this, like [sighs] everything's amazing.

1:15:05 But that you don't get that with the second hit.

1:15:07 It doesn't like maintain.

1:15:09 After a while, you're just taking hits and you just feel nervous.

1:15:11 Like this is terrible.

1:15:12 This doesn't feel good.

1:15:14 But it's the first hit.

1:15:14 The first hit's wonderful.

1:15:16 Oh yeah.

1:15:16 You know how many you know how many vapor I've had to curse

1:15:18 out cuz they unplug my phone to plug in their stupid[ __] vape.

1:15:22 They're like, "Yo, what?

1:15:23 Yo, you was at 30%." Like, what the[ __] is wrong with you?

1:15:27 I need it all day.

1:15:28 Right.

1:15:28 Don't unplug my[ __] Junkies.

1:15:30 But they really are junkies.

1:15:31 Oh, they're junkies.

1:15:32 I see people hit them all the time.

1:15:34 And they they they hit them like a fiend

1:15:36 and and you know the worst thing is the people

1:15:38 that they try to start vaping like to replace smoking.

1:15:45 They just end up doing both.

1:15:46 Well, I think the vaping is more addictive than smoking.

1:15:49 Oh, yeah.

1:15:49 Cuz you can you know why?

1:15:50 It's cuz one, like you said,

1:15:51 I think the the you're getting delivered

1:15:54 more nicotine than than a smoker will get.

1:15:56 Even though look, smoking has other bad[ __] that you're putting in you,

1:16:02 you know, but in terms of addiction is what I'm saying.

1:16:04 I'm not saying vaping is worse for you, but

1:16:07 but you're getting more nicotine and you can

1:16:10 you can vape in places you can't smoke.

1:16:12 And on top of that, you're getting all these weird oils

1:16:15 and chemicals and stuff in there that aren't good for you.

1:16:18 But you but you can vape anytime.

1:16:20 You can vape you can vape.

1:16:21 But you know, like people are getting these new diseases like popcorn lung.

1:16:24 Have you heard of that?

1:16:25 I heard of that, but I ain't heard of nobody that got it.

1:16:27 I've heard like, you know, it's it's one of those like uh what do you call them?

1:16:31 Urban myths or urban There's a kid that I knew back in California.

1:16:35 He was one of uh one of the people in our neighborhood's child

1:16:40 and he was 19 and he was in college and he was vaping like crazy.

1:16:44 He was vaping all day long and he got pneumonia, wound up dying

1:16:49 and they connected it to the vape.

1:16:50 Like he had destroyed his lungs.

1:16:52 Kids are damaging their lungs.

1:16:53 But you know, I think that started back when you remember when

1:16:55 some people have like the adjustable ones where like you where they

1:17:00 Oh, the big ones crazy ones

1:17:01 cuz now the popular ones are like the disposable ones that have

1:17:04 Adam Curry has one of them big jammers.

1:17:05 Yeah.

1:17:05 One of them big rigs.

1:17:06 I think I think people were going crazy back then.

1:17:09 Like in the beginning of it when when nobody knew a lot.

1:17:12 The real vapors, man, they still go crazy.

1:17:14 But they they're doing it themselves.

1:17:16 They think it's healthier.

1:17:17 They're getting like their own like nicotine drops.

1:17:19 They're putting it in the thing and they're putting their own oil.

1:17:22 They're using like MCT oil because it's healthy.

1:17:24 This organic poison.

1:17:26 Yeah.

1:17:26 Whereas like if you're getting it from a factory in China or Vietnam,

1:17:30 have you ever seen that one?

1:17:31 There's one video of a dude who has to test

1:17:33 every vape when it comes out of the factory with his with his mouth.

1:17:36 With his mouth.

1:17:37 The ones you get have already been sucked on.

1:17:39 So this dude is just suck in Vietnam.

1:17:41 Just I don't know where he is.

1:17:43 He might be in Laos.

1:17:44 He's just sucking just wherever this vape factory is.

1:17:47 This dude's just sucking on this vape over and over and over again.

1:17:50 Everybody's vape he sucks on once to make sure it's good before he sends it out.

1:17:55 But we're doomed.

1:17:56 So this guy's got what is his dose of caffeine in a day?

1:18:00 It must be off.

1:18:02 Yeah.

1:18:02 So that that's the other thing.

1:18:03 I think the vapors are more addicted because they get more nicotine.

1:18:06 They just get to do it.

1:18:07 They just do it all.

1:18:08 Yes.

1:18:08 You could definitely do it.

1:18:09 But I'm telling you, it's like you don't get the good feeling.

1:18:13 Like it's weird.

1:18:14 It's weird.

1:18:15 Like a cigar like the the relaxation, the good nicotine feeling of a cigar.

1:18:20 You get that like every time you take a hit out of a cigar.

1:18:23 That's not the case with a vape.

1:18:25 At least to not for me.

1:18:26 Look at this dude.

1:18:27 He's sucking on every one of these.

1:18:28 Checking them out.

1:18:29 Look, that's nuts.

1:18:31 They got to make sure they're good.

1:18:34 Like, how vaped out is this cat?

1:18:38 That's probably how that's probably he gets paid in just vapes.

1:18:40 Just smoke.

1:18:44 I mean, how many[ __] thousands of vapes is this kid sucking on in a day?

1:18:48 How many do you test in a day?

1:18:49 He says [sighs] around 7 to 8,000 tests per day.

1:18:54 Jesus Jesus Christ.

1:18:56 Does that dude sleep at all?

1:18:59 He probably dreams in like horrible black and white like lightning bolts.

1:19:03 And he also smokes after work.

1:19:06 Oh my god.

1:19:08 Someone should see how long that guy lives.

1:19:10 I mean, bro, that boy's done.

1:19:12 Yeah.

1:19:12 He's not in the blue zone.

1:19:14 [laughter]

1:19:15 Oh, bro.

1:19:16 I was just looking up lung.

1:19:18 Yeah, it's it's older.

1:19:20 It's it's develop according to this.

1:19:23 It came around 2000 when people at a actual popcorn factory Whoa.

1:19:28 were exposed to a chemical that was causing what called bronolitis obliterins.

1:19:34 Bro, look at this.

1:19:35 It's first recognized from clusters of workers at a microwave

1:19:38 popcorn factory exposed to the butterflavoring chemical diaetal.

1:19:44 Wow.

1:19:45 I thought it made your lungs look like popcorn.

1:19:47 This is saying there's like it's very it's

1:19:48 super rare for outside of that actually though.

1:19:52 Uh cancer researchers UK states that there

1:19:55 have been no confirmed cases of popcorn

1:19:57 lung specifically caused by ecigarettes although some

1:19:59 older e-liquids contain diaetal before regulations tightened.

1:20:04 Do you think that's like big tobacco trying to scare people away from vapes?

1:20:08 No.

1:20:08 No they No, I think they invested [clears throat] in that[ __] Yeah,

1:20:11 but if they don't like what if it's like some companies maybe don't

1:20:15 and they're worried that these cheap vapes

1:20:17 Well, there's only there's only there's only three companies.

1:20:19 The big tobacco is really big tobacco.

1:20:21 So, it's R.J.

1:20:22 Reynolds.

1:20:22 What are the other ones?

1:20:24 Um, uh, Philip Morris or is it Philip Morris?

1:20:27 And then there's a and then there's a overseas one.

1:20:29 Maybe there's four companies.

1:20:30 Who's making the American spirits?

1:20:33 It's the same people.

1:20:34 Is it the same people?

1:20:35 It's is there's only three or four big tobacco companies.

1:20:38 This lady Suzanne Humphre who's a doctor.

1:20:40 She she was making the argument that those cigarettes

1:20:43 are probably not even that bad for you.

1:20:45 And and they own and they see the writing on the wall.

1:20:47 Like they own all the p all the patch companies.

1:20:49 They own that[ __]

1:20:49 Of course.

1:20:50 Of course.

1:20:50 Why wouldn't they?

1:20:51 Cuz the writing's on the wall.

1:20:52 They're start they they were talking about it

1:20:54 in Canada and now I think they're trying to do

1:20:56 it in the UK where basically like people

1:20:59 of a certain age will never be able to buy cigarettes.

1:21:01 They Yeah, they I think they're doing that in Canada

1:21:04 right now or or they're definitely doing that in the UK.

1:21:06 That's right.

1:21:07 Uh, no.

1:21:08 American spirit cigarettes are not safer than other cigarettes.

1:21:11 Despite marketing that highlights natural and addictive free tobacco,

1:21:14 studies show they contain similar levels

1:21:16 of toxic cancer-causing chemicals as other brands.

1:21:19 Research suggests they may even be more addictive due to higher nicotine levels.

1:21:24 No reduced harm, no evidence of the absence

1:21:26 of additives make cigarette smokes less harmful.

1:21:29 Uh, high nicotine addiction.

1:21:31 Studies have found that many varieties have

1:21:33 higher nicotine yields compared to other popular brands,

1:21:36 suggesting higher addictiveness, misleading marketing.

1:21:40 FDA previously required the manufacturers to stop using natural and additive

1:21:45 free in marketing as these terms falsely implied lower risk.

1:21:49 Why does that imply lower risk if you say additive free?

1:21:53 Consumer misconception.

1:21:54 64% of American spirit smokers incorrectly believe they're less harmful,

1:21:59 often because of their natural branding.

1:22:01 This lady, this doctor was making that argument.

1:22:03 She was saying the chemicals that they

1:22:04 add to cigarettes that make them more addictive.

1:22:07 Like remember that Russell Crow movie, The Insider, you remember that movie?

1:22:11 Good movie.

1:22:12 It's about got about a guy who is a a true story about

1:22:15 a guy who's a doctor who works at uh a tobacco company that makes cigarettes

1:22:20 and he's specifically formulating these chemicals

1:22:23 in order to make people way more addicted

1:22:26 and then he has to go to court and they try to kill him.

1:22:28 It's like you know big kind of whistleblower type drama.

1:22:31 [snorts] But uh that was that was the premise

1:22:35 of that film which is also based on real life.

1:22:37 And what she's saying is that those chemicals

1:22:39 that make you more addictive are probably

1:22:41 much more dangerous and that just the actual

1:22:44 tobacco itself is probably not as dangerous.

1:22:47 She wasn't definitively stating this.

1:22:49 She was just saying that most likely they're probably safer for you.

1:22:53 Well, the American Spirit ones also you

1:22:56 smoke less cuz they take forever to smoke.

1:22:59 Like every time I'm I was smoking around an American spirit smoker, you know,

1:23:04 you you'll see a damn 3/4 of a cigarette left in the ashtray.

1:23:07 Do you think that those like Marros and[ __] like that?

1:23:10 Like they they smoke quicker on purpose so that you smoke more of them.

1:23:14 I think they they're they're

1:23:16 I think something they add to them,

1:23:18 make them burn cuz that's the thing with American Spirit.

1:23:20 You set it down, it'll it'll go out, right?

1:23:23 But if you if I if I was to light a Marbor and set it down there,

1:23:26 it'll it will burn all the way up, right?

1:23:28 I think they do that.

1:23:28 So you waste cigarettes.

1:23:30 That makes sense.

1:23:30 Oh yeah, for sure.

1:23:31 For sure.

1:23:32 That makes sense.

1:23:32 Yeah, because they probably calculate over time how much money that would be.

1:23:37 Yeah.

1:23:37 In fact, I I read somewhere like that is why there

1:23:40 are 20 packs in a cigarette in 20 cigarettes in a pack

1:23:43 is because they they discovered uh that that's exactly how many

1:23:49 you needed to smoke as much as possible in one day.

1:23:51 Like in terms of how long the how long it's

1:23:53 in your system and when you start getting another craving, you can smoke.

1:23:57 Well, that's crazy because some people smoke two packs a day, three packs.

1:24:00 Yeah, those people are like old

1:24:02 animals.

1:24:03 How are they alive?

1:24:04 I don't know.

1:24:04 But I was getting close.

1:24:06 What were you at?

1:24:07 I was at a little over like I was at a little over a pack

1:24:11 a day where I would smoke a I would go through a whole pack

1:24:14 and then tip into the next pack

1:24:15 and then dip into the next.

1:24:16 Yeah,

1:24:18 it makes sense that they would buy patches.

1:24:20 Why wouldn't they?

1:24:21 And why wouldn't they buy up

1:24:22 the companies that have alternatives like gum, nicarette?

1:24:26 Years ago, the VA tried to get me

1:24:28 to quit and they they they prescribed me the patches.

1:24:33 Yeah.

1:24:33 But like you like I said,

1:24:35 it's like there's there's 12 to 14 milligrams in a cigarette,

1:24:38 but you only end up getting one or two, right?

1:24:41 But the patch is five.

1:24:42 The low the lowest step of the patch is five.

1:24:44 And do you feel it?

1:24:46 Yeah.

1:24:46 You You have crazy[ __] dreams, too.

1:24:49 Whoa.

1:24:49 You put one of them patches on before you go to bed,

1:24:51 you going to[ __] you going to have a[ __] crazy dream.

1:24:54 And now you're more addicted.

1:24:57 Oh, right.

1:24:57 Cuz you're not used to getting five.

1:24:59 Now you getting five all night.

1:25:01 You wake up like, "Oh shit." Like you're not

1:25:03 getting nic You're not used to getting nicotine all night.

1:25:05 Ron White used to wear a patch and smoke all day.

1:25:08 Yeah.

1:25:08 That what that's what I was about to tell you.

1:25:09 It's like everybody I knew that got on their patches was patching and smoking.

1:25:13 Yeah.

1:25:13 Ron was patching and smoking and then one hypnotism session quit everything.

1:25:18 cold turkey.

1:25:19 Really?

1:25:20 Yep.

1:25:20 That's weird because he don't seem very suggestible.

1:25:22 I know, right?

1:25:24 Yeah.

1:25:24 I mean, I don't think I've ever seen him change his mind about nothing.

1:25:26 About nothing.

1:25:27 Ever.

1:25:27 All the arguments that he's had with Tony in the green room.

1:25:30 Oh, the [laughter] the I live for that[ __] I live for those moments.

1:25:35 Those are hilarious.

1:25:37 Ron digs his heels in.

1:25:38 Soon as I hear Ron go, "Well, well, yeah, I already know."

1:25:41 Well, that's not my experience.

1:25:44 Yeah.

1:25:44 He was wearing the patch and he was smoking those little cigars.

1:25:48 You know those little cigars?

1:25:50 He was smoking them like cigarettes.

1:25:52 You're supposed to not inhale those little suckers.

1:25:54 Like those little suckers have way more nicotine.

1:25:57 You know those little tiny Monte Cristos?

1:25:59 Those little things.

1:26:00 You're supposed to smoke those like a cigar.

1:26:02 Like when I smoke them, I try to smoke them like a cigar.

1:26:04 You take you hold it in your It's a tiny cigar.

1:26:07 You You can't tell these Texas gentlemen

1:26:10 Yeah.

1:26:10 [laughter]

1:26:10 how not to smoke nothing.

1:26:12 Well, Ron has got amazing willpower because he

1:26:15 he got off the alcohol and just done.

1:26:17 Never touched it again.

1:26:18 Got off the cigarettes, done.

1:26:20 Never touched him again.

1:26:22 Yeah, I love that guy.

1:26:24 He's the best.

1:26:25 He's the best.

1:26:26 But it's like that ability to just turn something off like that.

1:26:30 The amount of m How much money?

1:26:32 Let's Let's look into that.

1:26:33 How much money is in the nicotine business overall in America?

1:26:38 It's probably way more now with pouches and vapes on top of cigarettes.

1:26:44 I think it's less now.

1:26:45 But the thing cigarettes probably been less,

1:26:47 but now so many people are on the pouches and so many people are vaping.

1:26:52 Well, well, the thing is I think there's I think there's less money overall.

1:26:57 But but that's why there's less companies cuz they keep getting bought.

1:27:02 Right.

1:27:01 Right.

1:27:02 cuz people are smoking le like kid the kids are smoke way less they

1:27:06 cigarettes way less cigarettes and they they they don't vape as much as we think

1:27:10 but I think there are a lot of them around the zins a lot of them are on pouches

1:27:15 let's guess what do you think the overall

1:27:17 industry of cigarettes or of nicotine nicotine

1:27:20 products in America the collective amount of money

1:27:24 that nicotine products in America generate every year I'm gonna say 10 billion

1:27:30 yeah that sounds about Right.

1:27:32 Less it's less than 10 billion

1:27:33 for the whole country.

1:27:34 I'll say six.

1:27:35 Let's say 6 billion because there's 350 million people plus Mexican kids.

1:27:40 That's just for the uh oral nicotine is how much?

1:27:45 Six.

1:27:46 Whoa.

1:27:47 Oh,

1:27:46 cigarettes is way higher.

1:27:50 What is cigarettes?

1:27:52 76 billion billion.

1:27:54 Oh[ __] That's more than sports, bro.

1:27:57 That's crazy.

1:27:59 football.

1:28:00 It's cigarettes and traditional tobacco which you put in like cigars

1:28:03 cigars and uh like uh um the speak of which

1:28:07 hookas and stuff but okay but what what what was it 20 years ago?

1:28:12 Um it doesn't have 20 years ago from what I looked but it does it has grown.

1:28:16 It's growing slowly every year.

1:28:18 It's a total of 100 billion when you include everything together.

1:28:22 That's crazy.

1:28:23 Well, I mean, but it isn't really crazy cuz it's one of the it's one

1:28:25 of the le it's one of the legal and socially acceptable drugs to be on all day.

1:28:32 Yeah.

1:28:32 You can smoke it cuz you can't even drink at work,

1:28:35 especially if you use pouches now.

1:28:37 Everybody's using pouches.

1:28:38 They're predicting the pouches are going to go

1:28:39 from around 4 to 6 billion now and by 2030,

1:28:45 so it's only five to six years from now, could get up to 50 billion.

1:28:49 Well, here's the thing.

1:28:50 They have neutropic benefits like they do enhance your cognitive performance.

1:28:56 Nicotine does.

1:28:57 And um there's a lot of people that swear by them like for creativity and stuff.

1:29:03 Like one of the things that Stephen King talked

1:29:04 about in that book on writing was that one of his biggest uh bumps in the road

1:29:10 with his writing career is when he quit smoking.

1:29:13 He's had a really hard time like getting his synapses to fire the same way.

1:29:17 said it was really noticeable the difference in quit quitting nicotine.

1:29:22 But then again, his best[ __] he wrote when he was on Coke.

1:29:25 He was doing Coke and drinking beer.

1:29:28 Yeah.

1:29:28 And he wrote his best craziest[ __] when he was doing that.

1:29:31 No, but I'm I'm going to be honest about that though.

1:29:33 Like I don't I do feel less creative or le

1:29:38 or less not create not less creative but less I don't know.

1:29:44 It does feel like it feels like my brain work is working different.

1:29:47 What about cigars?

1:29:48 You ever thought about cigars or you just like think it's too much of a gateway?

1:29:53 Yeah, I would be right back on it.

1:29:54 I'll be right back on it.

1:29:56 Maybe we can Can we get some Can Are they nicotine drops, Jamie?

1:29:59 You can just shoot it into your[ __] eyeballs.

1:30:02 You[ __] with the pouches at all,

1:30:03 or do you worry that the pouches will bring you closer to the cigarettes?

1:30:06 No, but I've never[ __] with the pouches.

1:30:08 I don't know.

1:30:08 You want to try one?

1:30:10 Aren't I trying one?

1:30:10 Oh, this doesn't have nicotine in it.

1:30:11 That has no nicotine.

1:30:12 That's an ultra pouch.

1:30:15 Don't do it.

1:30:16 No, no, no, no, no, no.

1:30:18 Maybe the gum.

1:30:18 Maybe I'll I'll try the gum.

1:30:20 Yeah, I've tried the gum.

1:30:21 I like pouches.

1:30:21 How is that?

1:30:22 I like pouches better.

1:30:24 Um, it's interesting that like they would

1:30:28 probably I wonder how much money is spent.

1:30:31 How Okay, what is the patch?

1:30:33 What's the patch worth?

1:30:35 Like how much does that generate?

1:30:36 Yo, you know what's wild?

1:30:37 They was trying to give me nicotine in the hospital.

1:30:39 For what?

1:30:40 cuz they cuz they knew I was a smoker and they were like,

1:30:42 "You don't you don't want any?" I was like, "No."

1:30:45 How were they trying to give it to you in what way?

1:30:46 I I don't know if it was a pouch or gum, but but [clears throat]

1:30:49 they have mints, too.

1:30:50 It had been prescribed to me and it was

1:30:51 just sitting there and they and they you know, and every time a shift change,

1:30:55 somebody would remind me, "Hey,

1:30:56 so you know you got some you know you got some[ __] already." I was like,

1:30:58 "No, I'm okay." [laughter]

1:30:59 They um I somebody sent me some nicotine mints and they made me nervous.

1:31:03 Like I didn't like them.

1:31:04 They made me feel uncomfortable.

1:31:05 A tiny slice.

1:31:06 Okay.

1:31:06 Nicotine patches are a tiny slice of the nicotine economy.

1:31:09 the US, they amount to at most a few hundred million dollars

1:31:12 per year versus tens of billions for cigarettes and other nicotine products.

1:31:16 Yeah.

1:31:16 But you know what?

1:31:16 The reason they the reason they still invest in them is

1:31:19 because every time you try to quit and you use the pouches,

1:31:22 when you come back, you're more addicted,

1:31:25 right?

1:31:24 That's so it's a cycle.

1:31:27 Yeah.

1:31:27 It's insurance that you'll get back on the cigarettes.

1:31:29 Yeah.

1:31:29 Cuz I bet you they're not they probably don't track how many people

1:31:33 What's so funny, Jen?

1:31:34 Nicotine replacement therapy.

1:31:36 Therapy.

1:31:37 The global nicotine replacement therapy market, patches, gum, lozenes, etc.

1:31:41 is around 3.1 billion therapy.

1:31:44 Just reading that in this room sounds like a silly

1:31:47 weird conspiracy or something like

1:31:49 predicted to reach 4.7 billion US by 2034.

1:31:53 But but it makes sense that they would invest in that like,

1:31:57 you know, why wouldn't they?

1:32:00 It's like if they're smart business people, you know.

1:32:04 Yeah.

1:32:04 Did you hear about that special forces soldier that got in trouble because

1:32:08 he bet on Poly Market that U Maduro was going to be kidnapped?

1:32:14 Oh, they found out who it was.

1:32:16 Yeah, they caught the dude.

1:32:17 Oh, no.

1:32:18 Yeah, he made four I believe he made

1:32:21 $400,000 and he tried to cover his tracks, but

1:32:24 Oh, I thought it was like Trump's son or something.

1:32:25 People thought it was assumed it was it was Don Jr.

1:32:28 [sighs]

1:32:29 Well, who knows what they've done.

1:32:31 Oh, yeah.

1:32:31 They did it all.

1:32:32 They're probably not looking at them the same

1:32:34 way they're looking at these special forces.

1:32:35 Boy, Trump don't leave no crumbs on the table.

1:32:37 He's like, I need all this bread.

1:32:38 I'm on the way out.

1:32:39 I still need this bread.

1:32:40 Yeah.

1:32:40 I mean, think about that.

1:32:41 The the coin, the Trump coin.

1:32:43 I mean, that's crazy.

1:32:45 That's crazy.

1:32:46 It's legal, but it's Melania coin.

1:32:49 Like,

1:32:50 bro, if you if you buying any celebrities coins, you deserve to lose your money.

1:32:56 But I think it what Mezer explained to me.

1:32:58 He goes, "These are gambling addicts.

1:33:00 They're gambling." He goes, "They know.

1:33:01 They know that it's going to crash.

1:33:02 No one's under any illusion this is going to last forever.

1:33:05 They try to get in and get out and make money while they're doing it.

1:33:07 It's like they just figure out when to buy, when to sell.

1:33:10 Yeah.

1:33:10 But there are people that think that, you know, those are those are the suckers.

1:33:14 Those are who you're getting money from.

1:33:16 It's the ones that think it.

1:33:17 You could look at it that way.

1:33:20 Yeah.

1:33:19 Or you could look at it is this is an effective way to pay people off

1:33:25 legally.

1:33:25 So here's the thing.

1:33:26 I'm not accusing anybody doing this, but I'm saying let's

1:33:28 say if I started a JRE coin and uh maybe some

1:33:33 Middle Eastern government decided they're going to invest $500 million

1:33:37 in a JRE coin and then I announce the JRE coin.

1:33:42 They put in the money to back this JRE coin.

1:33:44 I get a substantial stake in the JRE coin.

1:33:47 So, I get a bunch of JRE coins and then I

1:33:49 just dump all my JRE coins and then it go I

1:33:53 get I get all that money and then it goes

1:33:55 from being worth X amount of dollars to being worth almost nothing.

1:33:58 Is that the pump and dump?

1:33:59 That's the pump and dump.

1:34:00 Oh, yeah.

1:34:00 Yeah.

1:34:01 So, that would be a way I'd pay you.

1:34:02 So, like say maybe if you and I had some sort

1:34:04 of a deal that was a little shady and I said, "Brian, how about this?

1:34:08 I can't pay you outright, but what I can do is why don't you

1:34:11 start a cryptocoin and I will invest in your cryptocoin,

1:34:15 which is a very legal venture.

1:34:17 And uh I will put in $100 million into your cryptocoin.

1:34:21 And so now your cryptocoin,

1:34:22 a bunch of people will also throw money in because there's $100

1:34:25 million in it and they know that it's going to pump and dump.

1:34:27 It's going to happen like the real clever[ __] And then you just get out.

1:34:31 So you get out as soon as it hits the peak.

1:34:33 like you get it set up so that like it

1:34:36 maybe peaks in 24 hours or whatever the[ __] it is.

1:34:38 Like let's like let's and again we're not

1:34:41 accusing anybody of anything, but let's look at nor are we taking notes.

1:34:45 Um [laughter] let's look at Trumpcoin.

1:34:49 How much was Trumpcoin worth like right after it came out versus 5 days later?

1:34:57 So somewhere that money has to go somewhere.

1:35:01 And so if I invested in Brian Simpson coin and then that money you

1:35:07 it got to the coin was worth I don't know what what a coin's worth.

1:35:10 I don't know what it's worth,

1:35:11 but let's just say it got to its peak and then you sell and you just