GM Joe Schoen on the 2026 NFL Draft | Giants Huddle | New York Giants

0:00 Welcome to another edition of the Johnson podcast brought to you by Citizens,

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0:04 I am John Schmilk.

0:05 Proud to be welcomed by Giants general manager Joe Shane.

0:08 Joe, what's going on?

0:09 Oh, not much.

0:09 Just uh coming up for here air here now after the draft,

0:12 but I appreciate you having me.

0:13 Yeah, absolutely.

0:14 Let's talk about the draft.

0:16 I was watching on Thursday night you and John Harbaugh

0:19 sitting together at the table at the press conference and coach

0:21 Harbaugh was asked about Arvar Ree and he starts listing all

0:24 the traits he has and everything that he's going to do.

0:26 And that smile that you have right now,

0:28 it was much bigger at the press conference

0:29 as you listened to how he's answering the question.

0:32 And I'm trying to think, all right, is he envisioning him on the field?

0:34 Is he just thinking about the chance that he actually got the five?

0:37 What was going through your mind as you listened to Harbaugh explain how

0:40 he was going to use him and why your smile got so big?

0:43 Yeah, it was a culmination of all those things because when our defensive staff

0:47 presented how they would use him in draft meetings and you get that smile,

0:50 you're like, "Oh my gosh,

0:51 this young, athletic, tall, long, powerful, explosive, physical,

0:56 all those dominant traits that he has." And then

0:59 how we were going to deploy him in our defense, you know, got us excited.

1:02 So, all along, you know, never really thought, you know,

1:06 there was a scenario where where he would be there um at five.

1:09 And again, we were we were looking

1:11 at him as an offthe-ball linebacker the entire time,

1:13 but did have the versatility to move him around and do some of the other things.

1:16 So, um, just the fact that he was there at five, I mean,

1:19 that really got us off to a good start

1:21 on on Thursday night to start the draft and, um,

1:24 you know, just so excited to have him and Tmaine,

1:26 you know, next to each other in the middle.

1:28 I mean, talk about being the Giants.

1:29 I know coach made a comment about

1:30 that, but like we're the Giants again, you know,

1:32 especially in the middle there with those two guys,

1:34 you know, playing inside linebacker for us.

1:35 Yeah.

1:36 with their wings spans, you know,

1:37 try getting a pass through zone defense with those two

1:39 guys in the middle of your defense, right?

1:41 Yeah, exactly.

1:41 You know, upgraded our speed, our size, our length,

1:44 ball skills, you know, physicality, all those things.

1:46 So, be good additions, both of them.

1:48 What was about what you saw on tape?

1:50 You've talked about the traits, the way he played off linebacker that made

1:53 you think that is the right fit for him,

1:55 at least for the Giants in the National Football League.

1:57 Yeah, he's just an eraser.

1:59 Like, he can he can play downhill and he's so long.

2:02 Like, he he doesn't stay blocked long.

2:04 He can use quickness to avoid blocks.

2:05 He can use his hands and get off blocks.

2:07 You see the violence and shed and then the range like he can just walk

2:12 walk people down from I mean he's so fast you it jumps off the screen.

2:16 So um thought that would be the easy transition.

2:18 And then when when you when you watch him just as an edge

2:22 um you know obviously we we we have some guys there as it is.

2:25 So can he do it?

2:26 Certainly think he can.

2:27 But, you know, we just thought for for our defense

2:29 and where we are that, you know,

2:31 that's the best fit and it's his game is going to translate.

2:34 As he plays softball linebacker now, do you make sure,

2:37 all right, maybe for five minutes out of practice,

2:39 you get him with the pass rushing coach and you work on some of the moves,

2:42 you work on the hand stuff.

2:43 You know, he even said at the combine, look,

2:45 I have a lot of work to do as an edge player in terms of technique and stuff.

2:47 Is that something now that you work with him behind

2:49 the scenes and you develop that part of his game,

2:52 even if that's not his full-time position?

2:53 Yeah, I'm sure.

2:54 You know, Charlie Bolan's a heck of a coach as our outside linebacker

2:57 coach and done a really good with our outside backer since he's been here.

3:00 So, I'm sure there'll be some one-on-one um you know,

3:03 attention given to Arll in terms of developing more pass rush and you know,

3:07 even some of the blitz stuff that he'll be doing for us.

3:10 So, um you know, again, you're talking about a 20-year-old 20-year-old kid

3:13 that won't be 21 till the end of August.

3:15 And, you know, again, just the physical traits plus his makeup and how

3:19 high his ceiling is is what really gets us excited.

3:21 Did you feel like you were in a time machine

3:23 a little bit watching him play offball linebacker giving his frame?

3:26 I mean, just a visual of you, Coach Harbaugh,

3:29 Cece, and him standing on the stage on on Saturday.

3:32 Arville does not look that much smaller frame-wise than a 66, 330 lb tackle.

3:38 They don't build offball linebackers like that anymore.

3:41 Was it odd seeing a guy with that frame being

3:43 an offball linebacker on tape in in the modern era?

3:45 Yeah, it's funny.

3:46 I went to the uh I went to the Cotton Bowl,

3:48 so it was Ohio State, Miami, so I got to see both those guys play.

3:51 I was there live at that game and pregame when I

3:54 saw Arville Reese on the on the field I was just like,

3:57 "Oh my gosh, like I can't like that can't be real." But uh yeah,

4:00 I mean again just both of those guys are are prototype players.

4:04 Um they're young, they're big, physical, and and have the right football makeup.

4:08 So to add those guys to the the youth and the core

4:12 that we've already built over the last couple of years,

4:14 um you know, it's exciting and the future's bright.

4:17 All right, why don't we jump over to uh to CC now?

4:19 And much like with Arll, it's not a position change necessarily,

4:23 but you have to be in sync with your coaching

4:25 staff in terms of how you want to use the players.

4:26 So, what was that process getting on the same page, not only on Arll, but on CC,

4:30 understanding that, all right, we've seen them play tackle,

4:32 but for us, we're really good playing in the guard.

4:35 It's a new coaching staff.

4:36 You're trying to learn them, they're trying to learn you.

4:38 What was that process like getting on the same page,

4:40 especially with those first two premium picks and guys where maybe

4:43 there were some questions as to where they would fit in best?

4:46 Yeah, and again CC is another guy saw saw actually the the day after um

4:51 that Ohio State uh Texas game which I was I was at early in the year.

4:55 So had eyes on him early in the scouting process and when

4:58 you see him physically I mean he's got this boxy dense build.

5:02 He looks like a guard, right?

5:03 Looks like a guard and then you watch him slide his feet and you're like,

5:06 "Okay, well he can certainly play tackle as well." So, um,

5:09 obviously having brought, you know, Germaine back, um,

5:12 we we thought he would slide into to right

5:14 guard and it'd be an easy transition for him.

5:17 Um, you know, at his pro day,

5:19 you could see the athleticism, the quickness, the bend.

5:22 Like, there's no doubt in my mind or the staff's

5:24 mind that he would be able to do it.

5:26 And, you know, I use the example of, you know, when when I was in Miami,

5:29 we took Larry Tonsel and he played left guard his rookie

5:31 year and then we slid him back out to tackle.

5:33 So there are instances of those players where you move

5:36 them inside early on, they can move back out or you

5:38 move him inside and hopefully becomes a Pro Bowl guard

5:40 and you don't want to move him out of there.

5:43 Good problem to have, right?

5:43 Yeah, good problem to have.

5:45 A lot of people say casually, oh, he's a tackle.

5:47 Just put in the guard, you'll be fine.

5:48 But what are the specific traits that you look

5:50 for from a tackle that as an evaluator makes you believe that yeah,

5:54 that player can succeed at guard?

5:55 Yeah, and that's that's the advantage of having Chris Knee on our staff.

5:58 You know, you can talk to a guy that's done it at a really high level.

6:01 So things happen faster.

6:02 your guys get on you faster, they're quicker, they're,

6:04 you know, they're they're going to get in your chest.

6:05 And so, you got to be able to handle that.

6:07 You got to have some instincts and quickness and power.

6:09 Um, cuz at tackle, you have a little bit more space.

6:11 You know, you may have a couple steps in your pass slide before,

6:14 you know, an in or an outside backer gets their hand on you.

6:18 So, things are going to happen quicker in there.

6:19 But again, just his ability to um play firm inside.

6:24 Um, his strength, his athleticism, and and let's be honest,

6:27 like the the strength of our division, you know, was inside.

6:30 you know, there Quinnon Williams, the guys in Philly,

6:32 you there's there's a lot of good interior players in our division.

6:36 So, the ability to firm up the inside

6:38 and protect Jackson was was a priority as well.

6:41 And we feel good with the two offensive tackles we have,

6:43 too, with Germaine and and um at Yeah, no question about it.

6:48 Huddle up, get in here.

6:49 If you're lined up here, you got to go over the middle with it to score, right?

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7:04 So your first three picks, you've talked about it.

7:05 You have Colton who just turned 21.

7:07 You have two players that are 20 and are going to turn 21.

7:11 Are you guys of the belief that if you draft a younger

7:13 player that gives them a longer runway and more upside down the road

7:16 or is that just happen to be a coincidence that the best

7:18 players on your board happen to fit into that category this year?

7:20 Yeah, that was just a coincidence this year and I we we

7:23 talk about it sometimes again just you know people coming out of COVID

7:26 and you know you still get some 24 and 25 year old prospects

7:29 that are on your board and that really doesn't bother me that much.

7:33 Um you know if you get them for one contract now they're 29 they graduate

7:37 and go somewhere else you make a determination

7:38 if you're going to extend them or not.

7:40 Um, so the age doesn't really bother me that much,

7:43 but the fact that these guys are young and we have them under contract,

7:45 two of them for 5 years,

7:46 like that does get me excited because I think they're both, again,

7:49 they're wired the right way with physical traits and whatever their ceiling is,

7:52 they are going to reach it.

7:53 So, um, again, that gets me excited.

7:56 You talked about the tangibles with CC,

7:58 but I think on the offensive line, part of it's intangible, right?

8:01 You want a kid that's going to set

8:03 the tone and really make the defensive line feel them.

8:07 Do you feel like he can be that intangible tone setter with a little

8:11 bit of a nasty streak to give that offensive line some attitude?

8:14 Yeah, for sure.

8:15 And and that shows up in his play, the way he plays.

8:17 And then just being around him as a as a kid,

8:20 you know, he's he's a mature 20-year-old.

8:21 He's fun to be around.

8:23 Um John Feliciano, who used to to be here, uh he was here in 2022.

8:28 Um CeCe actually worked out at this place called TripleF in Knoxville.

8:31 Him and John Feliciano and Lee Smith um run the place.

8:35 So had some intel there and you know they just

8:37 talked about him being around the facility all the time.

8:39 He's in there early working out.

8:40 He wants to get extra work.

8:41 He's in there late just hanging out.

8:42 Just just loves ball and wants to be great.

8:45 And when you get that from guys that are

8:47 are training him and you know nobody else

8:49 is watching like CeCe didn't have to be

8:51 there and you hear those guys talk about that.

8:53 I mean again just it gets you excited

8:55 and you know to see not only just the mentality

8:58 and attitude that he's going to bring

8:59 to to the uh to the team but just the production.

9:02 Yeah.

9:02 John play with the chip on his shoulder here.

9:05 So, if he could take some of that, that would be a good thing.

9:07 John's like, I'd love to come back and play with this kid.

9:08 Like, he fit in great.

9:10 I knew exactly what that meant when John said that.

9:12 That's a good thing.

9:12 All right.

9:12 Colton Hood.

9:13 Um, he's a guy that's a physical press corner.

9:16 So, you automatically think, all right, cover one guy,

9:18 but Dinard Wilson not necessarily a cover one heavy defensive coordinator,

9:22 but he plays a lot of quarters, but that kind of includes press.

9:25 So talk to us a little about how the fit is going to work for a guy

9:28 that's a pressman corner in the system

9:30 that Dinard Wilson's going to play in the secondary.

9:33 Yeah, if you ask any any defensive coordinator around the league,

9:36 like man coverage, like that's what they want.

9:38 Like if you can play man, then we can figure out the rest.

9:40 So um Colton Hood's ability to play man is is outstanding.

9:44 His his ball skills, you know, former baseball player that can really track it.

9:48 Um what stands out down the field is the kid doesn't panic.

9:50 like you know you see some of these corners down there,

9:52 they're grabbing, panicking, you know, they lose the ball,

9:54 they get turned around, doesn't look natural, very calm,

9:56 very natural down the field, always in good position.

9:59 Um, so that's the coverage aspect.

10:01 Then the physicality aspect of it,

10:02 like this kid will come up and tackle, he'll get off blocks.

10:05 He's strong.

10:06 Um, you know, you need corners to tackle.

10:08 You know, they got to be part of the run fits as well.

10:10 So, uh, Colton showed the ability to do that.

10:12 and just a phenomenal young man too after spending

10:14 time with him and um you know another guy

10:16 that has tremendous upside has the physical talent

10:20 and and the right football makeup to reach his ceiling as well.

10:23 Only a one-year full-time starter though.

10:24 So what are some of the areas as he gets more

10:26 playing time where you think his game can continue to ascend?

10:29 Yeah, and he was behind a couple good players out at Colorado a year ago.

10:32 So understand that.

10:34 Um, so yeah, again, one-year starter in the SEC and, you know,

10:37 stepped up to the competition and played at a high level,

10:39 which was which was impressive and still still a young young athlete.

10:43 And again, we it's going to be really good competition.

10:46 You know, it's it's not a situation where he has to come

10:48 in, we have to throw him to the fire right away,

10:50 but he's certainly going to be competing for a spot.

10:52 So, you know, with Pollson and Greg and, you know, Tay Banks,

10:55 you know, looked really good in the volunteer mini camp last week.

10:57 Drew Phillips, um, you know, so we got some some really good depth,

11:01 you know, at the at the corner position.

11:02 you know, we got five guys um you know, that have played, you know,

11:06 at a at a high level in the league and or well,

11:09 four and then, you know, bringing Colton in.

11:11 So, um you know, I'm excited how that group plays out.

11:13 We went from, you know,

11:14 maybe needing some depth to having really good depth at that position now.

11:18 Do you see Nome as a guy that can move inside if you need him

11:21 or do you see him more as an outside guy when you brought him in?

11:23 Yeah, saw him more outside, but after watching him move around last week,

11:26 I mean, Nome is smooth, he's fluid, he's twitched up.

11:29 So that that was one of the good parts of having the voluntary mini camp

11:32 last week with the vets is you get to see some of the the new

11:35 players that you brought in move around and Newsome's one that I was certainly

11:38 impressed with just watching him move around

11:40 and his hips and explosiveness and speed.

11:42 So um again we're going to have really good depth there.

11:44 It's going to be really good competition come camp time.

11:46 All let's jump to Malachi Fields heading into the process.

11:49 I watched all his Notre Dame stuff and then after he

11:51 got drafted everyone's like go watch his Virginia tape is it's

11:53 a little bit different and I did and you know what

11:56 a lot more run after the catch stuff stuff more over the middle.

11:59 So, as Giant fans kind of get to learn these guys,

12:01 do you envision more as the player the way

12:03 Notre Dame used them or more of the player

12:06 the way Virginia used them with maybe a little

12:07 bit more of a varied route tree and usage?

12:09 Yeah, I would say it's going to be a combination of both.

12:11 That is what you know, you're watching the Notre Dame stuff,

12:13 you don't see there's not as much versatility in the route content.

12:16 It's all like vertical comebacks, vertical stuff.

12:18 Yeah.

12:19 Yeah.

12:19 So, um but we do that.

12:21 We do two and threeear studies on these guys.

12:23 We'll go back and watch, you know,

12:24 as much film as we can to Okay, we've seen it once.

12:28 Okay, how do we get him to do it again?

12:30 Whatever it may be.

12:30 So, um, again, for his size, his ability to drop his weight, you know,

12:34 sometimes you get these bigger guys, 6'4 and a half,

12:36 you know, they're stiff, they can't get out of cuts.

12:38 Like, Malachi can drop his weight.

12:40 He can get in and out of the breaks.

12:41 Uh, former quarterback in high school,

12:43 so he can see it through the quarterback's eyes, you know,

12:45 his angles back to the ball, the catch radius,

12:48 the hands, and then he's a big body.

12:50 He's 218 pounds.

12:51 He's going to be tough for some of these, you know,

12:52 190lb corners to to bring down.

12:54 And then he's going to help us in the run game.

12:56 He's a phenomenal run blocker.

12:57 He's obviously a big body.

12:58 He's strong.

12:59 So, you know, again, he brings us a different body type, too.

13:03 You know, a big strong uh body type opposite of Malik.

13:06 You know, you got likely in there, Theo.

13:08 You know, we're going to we're going to have some size,

13:10 strength, and physicality, you know, across the board.

13:12 I think when people hear contested catches,

13:13 they automatically think, all right, well,

13:15 deep ball down the side and the guy jumps over him, he makes the catch, right?

13:18 But I think for a guy like Fields,

13:19 especially when you watch some of the Virginia stuff,

13:21 his ability on some of the slants and, you know,

13:24 some of the hook crawl stuff where he's in a crowded area to really

13:27 get his hands out there and extend them in front of the defender.

13:29 To me, that that gives Jackson,

13:31 especially on maybe some third and short, third and mediums,

13:34 real easy decisions, right?

13:35 If he's got position on a smaller DB,

13:38 just put the ball in his radius, he's going to catch it, right?

13:40 Yeah.

13:40 Put in the right zip code.

13:41 He's going to come down with it.

13:42 Yeah.

13:42 and some of those inbreakers,

13:43 he can box out the the smaller corners and um you know,

13:46 again, it's like a power forward body type out there.

13:48 Um you know, again, we we haven't had that really since I've been here.

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14:06 All right, I want to knock out the uh day three guys here.

14:08 Bobby Jameson Travis, big body, obviously.

14:10 Uh he's an older prospect.

14:11 He's going to be 25 this year.

14:13 The run defense stuff is pretty easy to see on tape.

14:15 What do you see potentially as some upside from him as a pass rusher,

14:18 maybe as a pocket pusher?

14:19 What do you see from him in that regard?

14:20 Yeah, that would be the upside for him.

14:22 Probably pocket pusher would be a good way to put it.

14:24 But, um, you know, we got we got to get to third down to, you know,

14:27 get the best out of our, you know,

14:28 rushers and Arll and and these these other toys that we have.

14:32 So, you know, to, you know,

14:33 coach has talked since he since he arrived about stopping the run and, you know,

14:36 Bobby's going to help us do that.

14:37 you know, he is a big, powerful, long, tough to move uh player.

14:42 So, you know, that's really where, you know,

14:44 his value is going to come on base downs,

14:46 first and second down, and and and help get us to third down.

14:49 You guys mentioned JC Davis as a potential swing tackle and guard.

14:52 Uh he went from, I think, Jo, right?

14:55 Then he went to a smaller school, then he jumped up to Illinois.

14:57 So, he's shown the ability to improve.

15:00 What are some of the areas he still needs to continue to work on and get

15:02 better at to work his way maybe

15:04 into a potential starting offensive line spot down the road?

15:07 Yeah, and that'll be interesting because, you know,

15:09 we may start him at tackle, may move him into guard.

15:11 Again, he's going to have to have versatility.

15:12 You know, that's what comes with, you know,

15:14 making the roster and being one of the top nine or 10, whatever we keep.

15:18 And u, you know, he's certainly athletic.

15:19 He's long.

15:20 Uh he's he's strong.

15:22 You know, probably for him just, you know,

15:23 the finish, you know, just finish more consistently.

15:25 And these are things we talked about him on the 30

15:27 visit and he's he's fired up to get here.

15:29 and um to us show him those clips what

15:31 the expectation is and and you know cuz he certainly

15:34 got the athleticism and and the size and length

15:36 to to do it and to play in this league.

15:38 So he's a guy that you know the staff myself

15:41 uh the scouting staff we were all motivated to work with.

15:43 So um you know again we'll see he's a sixth round pick that that has

15:47 traits and and upside and the versatility is a big component of it.

15:50 Did you learn how to scout competitive

15:53 BMX biking tape when you drafted Jack Kelly?

15:56 Jack Kelly.

15:56 Yeah.

15:56 How about that?

15:57 Yeah.

15:57 I actually went to high school with a kid that did that.

15:59 So, when I saw that, I was like, man, I haven't heard about that in a long time.

16:01 But, uh, yeah, Jack is a guy that jumped off the screen, too.

16:04 I mean, he's a 451 guy that's got size and has been super productive.

16:09 So, you get down there in the sixth round, you know,

16:11 guy with 31 and a half career sacks between Weaver State,

16:13 BYU, he can blitz, he can play side to side,

16:16 and then the special teams component,

16:17 you know, obviously with Arll and, you know,

16:19 Micah and Tmaine, you know, as the, you know,

16:22 probably the top three inside linebackers.

16:24 Um, you know, fourth Allen's going to be important for Jack.

16:26 And then, you know, I'm kind of interested to see

16:28 how we utilize him potentially on defense cuz he

16:30 does have um a lot of production off the edge

16:33 blitzing probably one of the better blitzers in the draft.

16:35 Um and then the production off the edge from the outside backer

16:38 spot may give us another chest piece on, you know, third downs.

16:41 If you look at his um developmental track,

16:44 do you kind of look at what Micah McFaten did when he got here?

16:47 Because he was a guy kind of a boxy, you know, not as long offball linebacker.

16:51 He had a lot of pass rushing success there, too.

16:52 maybe not as an edge player, but as a blitzer,

16:54 but just how you start him in special teams,

16:56 then he slowly learns and learns and kind of works his way into a bigger role.

17:00 Yeah, exactly.

17:00 And what you'll see about these guys that we drafted,

17:02 they all have the right, you know, football character and personal character.

17:05 So, um, they're going to come in, they're going to work hard,

17:07 they're going to do everything they can to maximize their ability.

17:09 So, I could certainly see that path for Jack,

17:11 you know, come out, be a standout four core guy,

17:13 contribute on special teams while we continue

17:15 to develop you as a defensive player,

17:17 and again, maybe a package player early on just because of his versatility.

17:20 But, uh, certainly expect fourth down to be a be a key contributor for us there.

17:24 I know you like to have as many picks as you can.

17:26 How close were you to any trade downs over the course

17:28 of the draft to try to pick us some extra picks?

17:30 Yeah, in the second round, um, you know,

17:32 we had talked we had some options in the second round,

17:33 but if if Colton Hood was there, we were just going to stay and pick.

17:36 So, um, the fact that he was there, you know,

17:39 we, you know, he's a guy that we we really liked.

17:41 We're a little bit surprised he was there at 37.

17:43 And, you know, throughout the day, we're like,

17:45 hey, if if if Colton Hood's there, we're going to stay and pick and, you know,

17:48 we'll just tell these other teams we're not going to do it.

17:50 But yeah, it was certainly tempting, but you never want to pass on a corner,

17:53 you know, at that point in the draft that you really like.

17:55 Final two questions.

17:56 You talked about being out there at mini camp last week,

17:58 seeing coach's vision on the field for the first time.

18:01 You mentioned some of the players that you got here, seeing them in there.

18:04 What are some of the things you kind of learned about the program

18:06 coach Harbaugh is building from seeing it on the field for the first time?

18:10 Yeah, it's going to be detail oriented.

18:11 Um, you know, we're already talking about things

18:13 in the the team meeting on the boards around the facility,

18:16 you know, you know, whatever it may be.

18:18 you know, staying on sides versus a hard count.

18:19 We're showing that, you know, it's just it's just a detail across everything.

18:22 Um, you know, the importance of that.

18:24 You know, guys were out there, they were moving around,

18:26 running from drill to drill and, you know, to me it's just the discipline,

18:29 the situational football, the things that were already practicing.

18:32 Um, you know, has really stood out.

18:34 I really like our staff.

18:35 You know, we got a really strong coaching staff,

18:37 a lot of smart guys, a lot of hard workers,

18:39 and, you know, that mirrors the the makeup of the team

18:42 and and the players that we have on the roster.

18:44 All right.

18:44 And then finally, building a roster.

18:45 The work is never done, right?

18:46 You have draft UDFAS, right?

18:49 Undrafted free agents,

18:50 more veterans are still out there now that the compensatory

18:52 pick formula is kind of out of the way.

18:54 What are some of the areas in the roster that you're

18:55 really kind of locked in, focusing on, still trying to get

18:57 this team and roster to where you want it to be

19:00 to start training camp and then eventually to start the regular season?

19:03 Yeah, it never stops.

19:04 Even if it's, you know, player 90,

19:06 who whoever it is, we're going to continue one more move,

19:08 one more move incrementally every everywhere,

19:11 every position um to have the best camp roster

19:14 we can have and the most competitive camp roster.

19:16 So, um, you know, it's well known.

19:18 We're we're looking at some veteran defensive tackles.

19:20 Um, and and and besides that, it's just regardless of position, you know,

19:24 if it's our 13th receiver, okay, can is there somebody out there that's better?

19:27 Our 10th receiver, is there somebody better?

19:29 Our sixth back, is there somebody out there better?

19:31 So, we still have rookie mini camp coming up.

19:33 There's there's vets on the street.

19:34 There's going to maybe be some post June one cuts or, you know,

19:37 cap casualties post draft.

19:38 So, we're going to continue to monitor the waiver wire.

19:41 You know, what's on the street, you know,

19:42 the rookie mini camp's an opportunity to look at players as well.

19:45 We found a couple players out of rookie mini camp the last couple of years.

19:48 So, um you know, we're going to take that seriously

19:49 and make sure we get a good evaluation on all those players.

19:52 So, uh it never really stops for us.

19:54 We're always looking to get better though.

19:55 I hope you took time to take a deep breath,

19:57 maybe have an adult beverage after the draft

19:59 with a long process finally being over.

20:02 Yeah, absolutely.

20:02 Absolutely.

20:03 I'm glad it's over.

20:03 Come up for air now, but uh like I said,

20:05 we we still got work to do and we're going to continue

20:07 to uh try to upgrade the roster the best we can.

20:09 Hey, congratulations on the draft, Joe.

20:11 Appreciate it and good luck the rest of the offseason.

20:13 All right.

20:13 Appreciate it.

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