Overtime with Bill Maher: Ezekiel Emanuel, Douglas Murray, Paul Rieckhoff (HBO)

0:00 All right, he is a bioethicist, oncologist,

0:02 and author of Eat Your Ice Cream, Dr.

0:04 Ezekiel Emanuel.

0:06 -(AUDIENCE CHEERS, APPLAUDS) -Thank you.

0:07 Thank you.

0:08 He's a podcast host on national security and political analyst,

0:12 Paul Rieckhoff, and he is a New York Post contributor...

0:15 (AUDIENCE CHEERS, APPLAUDS) ...and author

0:17 of On Democracies and Death Cults, Douglas Murray.

0:20 I will give him an applause, too.

0:22 (AUDIENCE CHEERS, APPLAUDS) All right, here are the questions from the people.

0:27 "What do you make of Anthropic saying that it's new--" Oh.

0:32 (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) I'm doing this next week at the end of the show.

0:35 This— This is blowing my...

0:36 "...Anthropic saying that its new AI model is

0:38 too dangerous to be released for the public.

0:40 You know, all these things we're talking about,

0:42 the war and all these terrible problems on Earth.

0:45 I read the end of the book.

0:47 It's AI.

0:48 AI— It's AI in the parlor with the candlestick.

0:51 (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) It is a— This shit is going— And it's going to happen faster.

1:00 I thought it would happen only in the lives of the children I never had.

1:03 (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) It's now gonna happen in my life.

1:06 GUESTS: Oh, yeah.

1:07 It's gonna— Oh, great.

1:08 So we're all agreed it's gonna wipe us out.

1:10 Great.

1:10 Next question.

1:11 (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) Bill, Bill your doctor in 2032,

1:15 when you get, you know, of that age.

1:17 Right?

1:18 It will be, uh, AI, and AI will be more knowledgeable.

1:23 Oh, you're saying it's gonna save us.

1:25 Well, at least in medicine,

1:26 it's going to do— It's going to do great things in medicine.

1:29 -Great things, yes.

1:29 -Why hasn't it yet?

1:30 Why hasn't it figured out cancer yet?

1:32 Because— Because, look, we released the LLM in November 2022.

1:38 BILL MAHER: Yeah.

1:39 We haven't had enough time, and it's getting better.

1:42 The AI you're using today, as my colleague at Penn says,

1:47 is the worst AI you'll ever use.

1:50 It's only getting better, and a lot faster than human beings.

1:52 Well, the worst AI at Anthropic is also interwoven into our national security.

1:56 They're a defense contractor,

1:58 and they had it out with Pete Hegseth, and he removed them.

2:01 But the AI was supposed to be in the kill chain.

2:03 They were going to leave the decision whether or not to kill targets,

2:07 to— to hit targets, in the hands of an AI.

2:09 And that's how we get to that.

2:10 -It's going to kill us.

2:11 -There is one last thing.

2:12 Somebody the other day said that the AI model they're

2:14 working with knows how to blackmail -the person using it.

2:17 -BILL: Of course.

2:18 It says, "If you don't do this, then I will tell

2:21 your wife -about the meeting you had last Monday." -BILL: Yes, I know.

2:24 And it's like, well, we might live longer, but we're going to be very unhappy.

2:27 (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) -That's true.

2:31 -(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) DR.

2:32 EZEKIEL EMANUEL: That is a very bad combination.

2:34 DOUGLAS MURRAY: Very bad combination.

2:36 BILL: It's— It's— Okay.

2:37 Longer and miserable is not where you want to be.

2:39 BILL: I'll say more about it next week, but it is— it is going to kill us all.

2:42 I mean, it's every fucking movie.

2:44 Please, the movies are never wrong.

2:45 All right.

2:46 (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) EZEKIEL: Only said from Hollywood.

2:50 "The fertility rate in the US has been declining since 2007.

2:54 What do you think is driving this downward trend?" This is for you, doctor.

2:58 Well, we know sex has been declining also.

3:00 -Well, I guess there is a connection.

3:02 -Right hand.

3:02 Sure.

3:03 (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) I'm not a formal doctor,

3:07 but I— (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) EZEKIEL: But you pretend to be one.

3:10 No, now, look, we have multiple social factors.

3:13 It's super expensive to have kids -and to raise kids.

3:16 -BILL: Yes.

3:17 -Women have a lot more opportunities.

3:19 -BILL: Yes.

3:19 And they're realizing those opportunities, and we've made it hard.

3:23 Look, go to— Try to get a kid into daycare,

3:26 and then try to pay the bill for daycare,

3:28 and then imagine paying the bill for college.

3:30 -I don't do any of that.

3:31 -We've made it very difficult.

3:32 PAUL RIECKHOFF: I'm there, and I know.

3:34 I fortunately don't have to imagine any of that.

3:37 I need an AI to help me with that.

3:41 I blame JD Vance for all of it.

3:42 (LAUGHTER) I mean, he doesn't make anybody want

3:47 to have sex or hang out with anyone else.

3:50 -Wait, he's got his— -DOUGLAS: I think there's got to be a limit

3:53 the extent to which you blame JD Vance for everything.

3:55 No, there is no limit.

3:56 -I agree, I agree, I agree.

3:58 -(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) You know, there's some sweet spot.

4:01 There is no— There is no limit.

4:02 I think you hurt the cause when you do

4:05 like you— look like you actually have Trump Derangement Syndrome.

4:08 (AUDIENCE CHUCKLES) I didn't mention Trump.

4:11 (LAUGHS) "Do you agree with the UK's decision, Douglas,

4:15 to bar Kanye West from entering the country

4:18 over his history of anti-Semitism?" No, I don't.

4:21 Um, it's so ridiculous.

4:23 Politicians love this sort of thing because they get to talk

4:26 about Kanye West instead of the fact they can't grow the economy,

4:29 the educational standards are still terrible, taxation keeps going up.

4:33 So they're like, "Let's talk about

4:34 Kanye West." (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) It's so tedious.

4:37 I can't believe...

4:39 I can't believe the public fall for this.

4:40 We fall for it again and again.

4:42 And the politicians love it.

4:43 They absolutely love it.

4:44 But no, of course, I mean, he— Look, all this crazy stuff he's sung,

4:47 I don't care to listen to his music, so I don't listen to it.

4:50 Uh, I don't think he's, you know...

4:52 Surprising.

4:53 -(AUDIENCE LAUGHS) -(OVERLAPPING CHATTER) -Shocking.

4:58 Shocking.

4:59 -I absolutely did.

5:01 I thought you were always jamm— "Big brothers.

5:03 My big brothers" -Listen less.

5:05 -I did not...

5:06 (CHUCKLES) But there is a freedom of speech argument here too.

5:09 -BILL: Yeah.

5:10 -I mean...

5:10 You don't have to support him— You don't have to agree with the guy.

5:13 I think he's disgusting, but you can still...

5:15 But we— I agree.

5:17 I'm a freedom of speech person, but we have to all agree, I think,

5:20 that anti-Semitism and what you can say has

5:23 changed a lot in the last couple of years,

5:25 and he has not been helpful with that.

5:27 The things that people say now just outright— And by the way,

5:31 I watched that special documentary -on the manosphere.

5:34 -PAUL: Yeah.

5:35 You know what's really frightening,

5:36 is it's something the meathead bros of the manosphere and the crazy

5:42 fuckin' pink-haired weirdos of the far left on campus agree on.

5:48 They don't like the Jews, either one of them.

5:50 They both think the Jews are the problem of everything in the world,

5:54 just like people did a thousand years ago

5:56 and a hundred years ago and throughout history.

5:58 I don't know who put the "kick me" sign on their back,

6:01 but it's pretty scary when those two groups are

6:04 somehow aligned on this issue and no other issue.

6:07 Well, the Overton Window has opened up, -um, you know, about...

6:10 -BILL: I don't know what that is, and I don't want to know what that is.

6:13 (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) Don't tell me.

6:16 The same thing is true about racism, right?

6:19 Things you couldn't say, right,

6:21 are being said now about all sorts of groups and people.

6:25 DOUGLAS: That's true, but you've got to admit,

6:26 I mean, it's gone so crazy on the Jews.

6:28 I mean, to the extent that someone of Kanye West's fame

6:32 can get away with doing "Heil Hitler" and all this stuff

6:36 and the people who support him and follow him are

6:38 willing to make jokes about gassing the Jews and so on.

6:41 If it was any other minority,

6:43 we wouldn't even be having the conversation about whether

6:45 or not that person should be allowed out into civilized society.

6:48 They just wouldn't be out in civilized society.

6:50 There's been a normalization of it when it comes

6:52 to Jews from the far right and the far left.

6:54 EZEKIEL: I totally agree with that.

6:55 But the other thing we have lost in our society is shame.

6:58 -DOUGLAS: Yeah.

6:59 -Right?

7:00 No one is ashamed.

7:01 And Trump has really done that, right?

7:03 -PAUL: And we've lost honor.

7:04 -BILL: We certainly have.

7:05 PAUL: We've lost respect.

7:06 We've lost integrity.

7:07 All that is blown apart.

7:08 But those two groups are actually united on one other issue.

7:10 It wasn't like it was perfect and then

7:12 Trump came along -and it all fell to shit.

7:13 -PAUL: No.

7:14 No, but you mentioned the manosphere

7:17 and the left-wing hippies with the purple hair.

7:19 There's one other issue they're united on, their opposition to Iran.

7:22 Because Trump has done something very, very unique.

7:24 He has united the American public against Iran.

7:27 So now you have Marjorie Taylor Greene and AOC agreeing on one thing,

7:30 and it's their opposition to Iran and to accelerating

7:32 Iran and putting boots on the ground.

7:34 "Why do you think Melania Trump gave a speech on Thursday

7:38 saying she was not a victim of Jeffrey Epstein?" I mean,

7:42 I only vaguely remember her being brought up in the Epstein files

7:47 as maybe there was a rumor that Epstein introduced her to Trump?

7:51 No, it was a British author who wrote

7:52 a book in which he said that was unsourced,

7:55 and then the publishers withdrew it, I think.

7:56 -BILL: Okay.

7:57 -So I think it was out there,

7:58 but maybe she wanted to put— I think she only drew more attention to it.

8:02 I think maybe she knows something's coming,

8:04 and she's trying to stay ahead of it.

8:05 Watch this space, because...

8:07 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) PAUL: I'm putting that out there.

8:10 I'm putting that out there.

8:11 Preemptive strike, as they would say in the military.

8:17 PAUL: Heard it here first.

8:18 BILL: Stroking chin emoji.

8:19 -PAUL: Mm-hmm.

8:20 -(AUDIENCE LAUGHS) PAUL: Mm-hmm.

8:22 Mm-hmm.

8:22 They're jumping ship, man.

8:24 "Paul, what are your thoughts on news that eligible American men between

8:28 ages 18 and 26 will now be automatically registered for a draft?" Very,

8:33 very important and one of the most

8:35 underreported stories that has started to circulate.

8:38 And it's been accelerated by the fact that Trump

8:40 says he won't take the draft off the table.

8:42 But here's why it's important.

8:43 It was passed by the GOP Congress and excludes women.

8:47 Right?

8:47 It would actually mandatorily enroll every

8:49 man who turns 18 starting in December.

8:51 Instead of going to the Selective Service

8:53 and opting in, everybody will automatically enroll.

8:56 I think it's very, very important to wake this country

8:58 up to what the human cost of war looks like.

9:00 And frankly, it's woken up the manosphere.

9:02 Now, all these podcasters think, "Oh, shit,

9:04 I might actually get drafted for the war in Iran?" And it's

9:06 forcing a conversation on this country that might not happen any other way.

9:10 BILL: But should we have a draft?

9:11 -PAUL: No!

9:12 Hell no.

9:12 -No?

9:13 EZEKIEL: Well, we should have national service.

9:14 I mean, not for this.

9:15 Not for this.

9:16 We should have national service, but not a draft.

9:18 Okay, but why shouldn't the pain be spread around?

9:20 I agree with that a hundred percent.

9:22 But also keep in mind, this legislation excludes women.

9:25 It is very much a GOP culture war initiative that has

9:28 excluded women from maybe the most basic area of equality.

9:30 Women should have the right to fight

9:32 and die and serve -for their country as well.

9:33 -BILL: Yes, okay.

9:34 But they have removed that from this, -which is really, really important.

9:37 -(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) There's always a lot of talk

9:39 in this country when sacrifice is the issue about,

9:41 yes, you know, remember during COVID,

9:43 "We're all in it together." We weren't all in it together.

9:45 Half the people were in their pajamas,

9:47 eating food that was being delivered by other people.

9:51 Somehow that food got to your door.

9:53 If it was really that big of an emergency,

9:56 shouldn't we have all taken a turn at Grubhub?

9:58 -(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) -PAUL: Agreed.

10:00 Wouldn't that have been the real way to do it?

10:02 PAUL: Yeah.

10:03 You know, these are the same people who talk about, you know, stolen land.

10:08 Like you're gonna give it back.

10:10 Shut up.

10:11 PAUL: But there's a generation of chicken hawks

10:12 that want to send other people's kids to die, and the president most of all.

10:16 Barron Trump is not signed up to go to Iran.

10:18 BILL: Okay.

10:19 -(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS, CHEERS) -And that's important.

10:23 Final question for panel.

10:25 "What are the panel's thoughts on Kamala Harris saying she's considering a run

10:29 in 2028?" That might be against your brother who might be running.

10:32 Right?

10:32 Isn't Rahm Emanuel— He's on the show next week.

10:35 You can ask— You can ask him directly.

10:37 I only know the rumors.

10:38 -But it's...

10:39 (CHUCKLES) -(AUDIENCE LAUGHS) Really,

10:40 you don't talk to your own brother about it?

10:43 I talk to my brother all the time.

10:44 We talk about our children, our grand— No.

10:47 (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) -No, the— I think...

10:50 -Kamala 2028.

10:51 ...Kamala had her shot.

10:52 Walked off the stage.

10:53 Let others take their opportunities.

10:58 She showed that she really didn't have a lot of programs or a good campaign,

11:02 and we need to win 2028 because we can't have four more years.

11:05 -(AUDIENCE CHEERS, APPLAUDS) -So you think Rahm should run?

11:09 I think my brother, let me be as diplomatic as I can,

11:13 he'd make a fantastic president.

11:16 DOUGLAS: My brother's not running.

11:17 (LAUGHTER, APPLAUSE) But he's named Rahm?

11:23 Thank you, people.

11:26 (CHUCKLES)