Kimberly Langwell's Hidden Grave | Full Episode + Post Mortem

0:21 I think we have to fight hard for our loved ones and we have

0:24 to listen to them and be cautious about the people that we allow into our lives.

0:29 lives.

0:32 I wish so much that I would have fought harder for mom.

0:40 I'm an only child of Kim Langwell.

0:45 She made me her whole world.

0:47 She was my best friend.

0:52 In July of 1999, I was a normal 15-year-old teenager.

0:58 Everything seemed pretty perfect in life.

1:07 July 9th.

1:08 What are your plans for that night?

1:10 We were going to go out to eat.

1:12 She called me after work just to make sure that I was on track,

1:15 you know, ready for for dinner that night.

1:18 And then I can't get a hold of her.

1:22 I immediately start texting her 911.

1:24 She just never called.

1:27 And all I could think about was maybe there's something,

1:31 you know, that that she's just not telling me.

1:34 And you just keep thinking, she was just there.

1:37 She was just on the phone.

1:39 What do I do?

1:42 I woke up to my phone ringing and it was Ken Weatherford, my mom's boyfriend.

1:46 Hey, did your mom come home?

1:48 And I said, "No, she's not here." And he said,

1:51 "Well, Tiffany, I didn't tell you last night.

1:53 I was looking for and I saw her car.

1:56 I I think you need to call somebody.

1:58 I think something's wrong.

1:59 So, detective, where was her car?

2:03 Her car was parked right about where I'm parked now.

2:07 You're looking for physical evidence.

2:08 We were looking for blood.

2:10 We were looking for a body, looking for a crime scene,

2:14 and and we had none of that.

2:16 She just disappeared.

2:18 I think for the first year, I kept it together.

2:20 And then after that it just falls apart.

2:23 The person that you depend on for everything is now gone.

2:36 In the spring of 2023,

2:38 my supervisors filled me in on reopening the investigation.

2:43 Our overall goal was just to get answers for the family.

2:47 We definitely got the feeling that people were not being completely

2:51 honest in their statements that they had provided back in 1999.

2:56 She had a social life and she interacted with a lot of people.

2:59 This man was writing her love letters.

3:01 There is a stack an inch and a half thick.

3:04 This is a lot of love letters.

3:06 It's it's a lot.

3:07 Kim, I have developed this terribly strong crush on you.

3:10 Something must be done about it.

3:12 We're seeing obsessive behavior here.

3:15 We didn't want to get tunnel vision.

3:17 Do we have any named suspects in this file?

3:20 You know, some cases rely on the physical evidence.

3:22 There's DNA.

3:23 There's a body.

3:24 This doesn't exist.

3:25 We cannot find Kimberly.

3:28 We called Tim Miller.

3:30 He's the founder of Texas Equa Search.

3:32 They actually specialize in looking for missing people.

3:36 Doesn't matter when we get that phone call.

3:38 We're there to help the family, help law enforcement.

3:41 We took a chance and it was a good choice.

3:44 This house is where we found the most disturbing scene.

3:48 Something I've never seen or heard of in my law enforcement career.

4:41 This case, even after I retired,

4:47 this case has haunted me because I couldn't find her.

4:54 I felt like I had failed.

4:59 And you felt that you failed the family?

5:03 Yes.

5:04 And her.

5:08 It has been more than two decades since 34year-old Kim Langwell disappeared.

5:13 And former Bulmont, Texas detective Joe Ball still reles

5:18 those early days of the investigation over and over again.

5:24 On July 10th, 1999, a day after Kim Langwell failed to arrive home,

5:30 Detective Ball was summoned to a strip mall

5:32 parking lot in front of an Eert pharmacy.

5:36 My mom's car is there and nobody's checked it out.

5:39 We need to see what's in the car.

5:42 Kim's daughter, Tiffany McInness, who was just 15 at the time,

5:46 and Kim's sister, Susan Buts, had already arrived at the scene.

5:51 When you looked through the window, what did you see in the car?

5:53 I saw her briefcase and a phone.

5:56 No purse, no wallet, no keys.

5:58 No.

5:58 No.

5:58 Yeah.

5:58 The purse was not in there.

5:59 The car was locked.

6:00 No keys inside.

6:01 Mm-m.

6:02 Nothing.

6:02 It just looked like somebody walked away.

6:05 This is where Kim's vehicle was.

6:07 This is where Kim's vehicle was parked.

6:09 And what did that suggest to you?

6:11 It suggested to me that she either met someone here and left

6:14 with them or that she had been kidnapped out of this parking lot.

6:19 But no one could recall seeing anyone get in or out of Kim's car.

6:25 I do know that they said to me, "Maybe she's just went off.

6:28 Maybe she just had started a new life and left her child." No, she didn't.

6:32 She didn't do that.

6:34 Esther Randall was like a second mom to Kim, who called her Mimi.

6:40 I thought of her as my own.

6:42 We adored her.

6:44 She was easy to love.

6:46 She was fun.

6:48 She was an amazing mom.

6:50 She had me at a very young age, but she treated me like I was everything.

6:56 Hi, Mommy.

7:00 It became clear to Detective Ball that Kim would never abandon her only child.

7:06 I was pretty sure that something had happened to her.

7:10 So, he focused on those who were closest to Kim.

7:13 Starting with Kim's boyfriend, Ken Weatherford.

7:17 He was the one who discovered her abandoned

7:19 car in the parking lot the evening she disappeared.

7:23 He seemed like a really nice guy.

7:25 He cared about my mom.

7:26 He cared about me.

7:29 Kim and Ken had met at the mobile chemical plant where they both worked.

7:33 They had been dating for just 6 months.

7:36 Weeks before Kim disappeared.

7:38 They took a trip to Cosml, Mexico.

7:41 She had a great time and she had a tan and it was fun.

7:45 Did you sense they were both in love?

7:47 Yes.

7:48 She was like, "I'm happy, Mimi."

7:50 However, Detective Ball says he was suspicious of Weatherford,

7:54 mostly because of what he didn't do the night Kim disappeared.

7:59 He saw her car in the parking lot, but he did nothing.

8:02 He didn't tell anybody.

8:04 He He waited until the next day before he

8:06 told anybody that he knew where Kim's car was.

8:09 And did you think to yourself,

8:10 "This man may be hiding something from me?" I suspect everybody.

8:15 Everybody's a suspect.

8:17 And that included co-workers and former bosses like Frank McCormack.

8:22 This is an ID photo taken of him decades later.

8:26 Frank McCormack was uh a supervisor out in Mobile

8:30 and he worked in the same building as my mom.

8:33 Tiffany says McCormack, who was married,

8:36 often came around their house and left Kim presents like chocolates from Paris.

8:41 He had daughter.

8:42 He talked about her big blue eyes and how sweet she was.

8:45 And then it went from that to a little darker.

8:50 McCormack began sending Kim love letters, dozens of them.

8:55 He also sent disturbing photo collages.

8:58 These are grainy copies that were given to 48 hours by investigators.

9:04 Pictures of all kinds of women with Kim's face on the bodies.

9:09 Esther said that Kim was upset about McCormack's bizarre behavior,

9:13 but she didn't report him for fear of retribution.

9:17 Kim was nice to everybody,

9:18 but I think he just thought because she was nice to him that she liked him.

9:24 Detectives say despite McCormack's obsessive behavior, he had an alibi.

9:29 Around the time Kim disappeared,

9:31 he told investigators he was at a grocery store to buy some

9:36 chips for a poker game and he had the receipt to prove it.

9:41 We looked at him, we talked to him and uh

9:44 and we were able to rule him out as the suspect.

9:47 But authorities had someone else on their radar, Terry Rose, Kim's ex-boyfriend.

9:53 Kim and Terry dated and lived together for about 6 years.

9:57 After they broke up, the two stayed in contact.

10:00 I do know that she kept a friendly relationship.

10:03 He would help her do things.

10:05 In fact, the night Kim disappeared,

10:08 Kim had stopped by Terry Rose's house on the way home from work.

10:12 He was doing something in the house and needed help hanging some boards,

10:17 which I thought was strange.

10:19 Just 2 days after Kim's disappearance,

10:22 Terry Rose willingly came into the police station and provided a statement.

10:28 Terry said on the evening she disappeared, Kim arrived about 5:10 or 5:15 p.m.

10:35 and was at his house for just a short time before leaving to meet Tiffany.

10:41 Terry claimed he had not heard from her since.

10:44 I felt like Terry was not being completely truthful with us.

10:48 It was the tone of the whole interview

10:50 and how vague he was about uh about details.

10:54 Yet Terry Rose was cooperative.

10:56 He allowed police to search in and around his house.

11:00 We went into every room in that house.

11:03 It was just a a very junky house.

11:05 There was stuff everywhere.

11:07 Made it very difficult to to conduct a search.

11:10 Ball says there were no signs of Kim at the house

11:13 and no evidence that any violence had taken place there.

11:17 But he had Terry take a polygraph test and he failed.

11:22 At that point, I was I was pretty focused on Terry.

11:26 I was pretty sure that he was lying,

11:28 but I didn't have any evidence to confront him with.

11:31 If not even the authorities can do something to find my mom,

11:35 who's going to help us?

11:53 Once mom was gone for a little while, you know,

11:56 you come to realize that, hey, she's not going to come back.

12:02 Tiffany McInnness endured the typical teenage growing pains

12:06 under the shadow of her mother's missing person investigation.

12:10 I got to a point of just complete denial.

12:12 You just don't want to look anymore.

12:16 Aunt Susan did a really good job keeping it going.

12:18 She did searches and stuff like that.

12:24 Like investigators, Susan says she became

12:27 more and more convinced who was responsible.

12:30 It just always ended up right back at Terry.

12:33 Esther says Kim had shared her fear of Terry Rose well before her disappearance.

12:39 I'm afraid he's going to kill me.

12:41 If I leave, he's going to kill me.

12:44 Kim had described Terry's obsessive

12:46 and possessive behavior during their six-year relationship,

12:50 says Esther, which she sometimes witnessed firsthand.

12:55 She came to my house, my phone ring the entire time she was there.

12:59 When are you coming?

12:59 Are you still there?

13:00 Is she still there?

13:03 Controlling.

13:02 Controlling.

13:02 Unbelievably controlling.

13:04 Esther says Kim told her that at times

13:07 that need for control boiled over into violence.

13:12 And what are some of those things he did to her?

13:14 Strangled her.

13:16 He threw her on a bed and strangled her till she couldn't breathe anymore.

13:19 And then she woke up and he was gone.

13:22 Tiffany believes her mother shielded her from witnessing any abuse,

13:26 but says she did experience Terry Rose's

13:29 obsession firsthand after the relationship finally ended.

13:34 He would call the house at all times during the day, night, if mom wasn't home.

13:40 He questioned me, you know, where is she at?

13:42 Where has she been?

13:43 When do you expect her home?

13:45 We had found him lurking outside the house.

13:50 But that all stopped abruptly once Kim was gone.

13:54 Was Terry concerned about your sister?

13:56 No, not at all.

13:57 Did he help look for her?

13:59 No, never.

14:02 In 2001, 2 years after Kim's disappearance,

14:06 the FBI assisted by interviewing Terry Rose.

14:10 He admitted to one physical confrontation with Kim,

14:14 where he slapped her in the face.

14:16 And he acknowledged that he had no alibi

14:19 for the crucial hours from approximately 5:30 p.m.

14:24 on the day Kim went missing until he met up with a friend that evening.

14:29 He called uh his friend uh David Wy and they shot

14:33 pool from about 9:30 until probably midnight or a little after.

14:39 But after I talked to David Wy, I was even more suspicious because I was

14:44 pretty sure David Wy was lying to me, too.

14:46 But investigators still lacked any physical evidence of an actual crime,

14:51 and the case went cold.

14:54 Decades passed until 2023 when the TV program Cold Justice chose to investigate

15:03 the unsolved case and the Bowmont

15:06 PD appointed detectives to work alongside them.

15:09 When I got signed the case, we set the the bar pretty low.

15:14 Detective Heather Wilson became the lead investigator,

15:17 working alongside Lieutenant Mitch Sligger and Detective Jesus Tamayo.

15:22 They began by looking at all the original suspects once again,

15:27 like Kim's last boyfriend, Ken Weatherford.

15:31 We had already narrowed down the time

15:33 frame when we believed something happened to Kim.

15:36 Weatherford declined an interview with 48 hours.

15:38 He was actually with Tiffany around the time Kim went missing.

15:43 So, investigators ruled him out.

15:45 We also looked into a former boss of Kim's named Frank McCormack.

15:49 that boss who had sent Kim all those disturbing love letters and images.

15:55 You have to ask yourself, how far was he wanting to go to get her attention?

15:59 Cuz obsession can lead to something dangerous.

16:04 Absolutely.

16:04 Frank McCormack declined an interview with 48 hours,

16:07 but he did speak to investigators.

16:09 Detective Wilson confronted him with a stack of those letters.

16:14 Those bringing back some memories for you.

16:16 It's been a long time.

16:18 It's as I sit here, it's hard for me

16:21 to believe I wrote this, but obviously it's my handwriting.

16:24 Regardless of what he said he remembered,

16:26 McCormack still had that alibi documented by the grocery

16:30 store receipt from around the time Kim disappeared.

16:35 So ultimately, we felt like Frank was not relevant to this case.

16:39 Who became your top suspects in the disappearance of Kim?

16:44 Our top suspect was Terry Rose.

16:48 He's showing all the typical behaviors of someone who is abusive.

16:51 He just couldn't couldn't let go.

16:55 But when approached more than two decades later, Terry Rose, now 66 years old,

17:01 was still adamant he had nothing to do with Kim Langwell's disappearance.

17:06 What's your theory on what happened to her?

17:08 What do you think?

17:09 I don't really know.

17:11 Once we broke it off, I figured just leave her alone.

17:15 And so we're trying to find his inner circle.

17:18 So we wanted to find these people that were close to Terry.

17:21 One of those people was David Wy who Terry

17:24 Rose played pool with the night Kim went missing.

17:28 We could feel that David was the weakest link.

17:34 Mr.

17:34 David.

17:35 Yes, sir.

17:35 Good morning.

17:36 Detective Jesus Tamayo showed up at David Wley's door

17:39 in 2023 and interviewed him in his patrol vehicle.

17:44 Knowing Terry like he knew Terry.

17:47 Did he have anything to do with Kimberly?

17:50 I don't think so.

17:53 Not at all.

17:53 And I just don't think he's that type of person.

17:56 Investigators were convinced Wy wasn't telling them everything he knew.

18:01 So, in April of 2024, the DA convened a grand jury where Terry Rose

18:06 and David Wy would have to testify under oath.

18:11 Rose stuck to his original story, but Wy, while also consistent, seemed uneasy.

18:18 He was very nervous.

18:19 He seemed very uncomfortable.

18:21 So, we decided to call David Wy and see if he

18:23 would just be willing to come in and take a polygraph test.

18:27 He immediately was like,

18:28 "You're going to need to contact my attorney." And and ended the phone call.

18:33 So, we knew at that point that we were on to something.

18:37 That hunch was confirmed when Wley's attorney called back.

18:42 He does have information for y'all that's going to help you find her.

18:58 How are you doing today?

18:59 Good.

18:59 How you doing?

19:00 Doing great.

19:01 In April 2024, more than two decades after Kim Langwell disappeared,

19:07 David Wy was ready to talk to investigators.

19:11 This was huge.

19:12 This is what we needed.

19:14 But only under one condition.

19:16 His attorney told us he wants full immunity from any kind of prosecution.

19:20 He said, "Okay, we we kind of need to know what we're

19:22 working with here." Detectives wondered if WY could have been an accomplice.

19:28 He said, "No, he didn't.

19:29 He's not saying that he killed her, that he

19:31 just has information of what happened to her." So,

19:33 we're like, "We can work with that."

19:35 With asurances of an immunity deal,

19:38 David Wy met with investigators at his attorney's office.

19:44 Our goal is you're going you're here to tell the truth.

19:47 Okay.

19:48 Wy told detectives that on July 9th, 1999,

19:52 the day Kim disappeared, he received a call around 6:15 p.m.

19:58 from his friend and former boss, Terry Rose.

20:01 He called me and asked me to pick him up at Walmart.

20:07 Just said, "When you get close to the parking lot, call me." I called.

20:12 He was in Kim's car.

20:14 When I pulled up next to him,

20:16 he said that he did not like that parking lot and to follow him.

20:21 Did you ask him why are you in the car?

20:23 No, I did not ask.

20:25 So, y'all left Walmart and you followed him

20:28 to Colinade,

20:29 turned into the Colonade Shopping Center parking lot.

20:33 He stopped in a spot,

20:35 got out and got in my truck and I took him and dropped him

20:40 off at his house and went back to my little trailer I was living in.

20:44 Later that evening, Wy said he met up with Terry to play pool.

20:48 The two then had breakfast the next morning.

20:51 Wy was foggy on the timing,

20:54 but says Terry out of the blue told him

20:57 a horrific story about what had happened to Kim.

21:01 He told me that they she was at his house

21:04 and I guess they argued and then he shot her.

21:11 And then after that, did he say what did he do with the body?

21:17 He told me that he put her under the slab in one of the bedrooms.

21:26 One of the bedrooms.

21:26 And did he say which one?

21:29 No, he did not say which one.

21:34 We couldn't quite comprehend.

21:36 She's under the slab in a bedroom in his house.

21:42 Days later, David Wy was given a polygraph test.

21:47 Did Terry tell you he shot Kim?

21:49 Yes.

21:50 Did Terry tell you where he buried Kim?

21:54 Yes.

21:53 And passed.

21:55 But before they could arrest Terry Rose,

21:57 the district attorney's office insisted they get

22:00 physical evidence that would back up Wigh's story.

22:04 We still had a lot of work to do.

22:05 We're going to be cracking the slab of this house.

22:07 We're going to be looking under the floor as David described where she was.

22:11 It was going to be a huge operation

22:14 and it would take intricate and secretive planning.

22:17 Detectives feared that if Terry Rose found out,

22:20 David Wley's life could be in danger.

22:23 They were also concerned about the safety of Terry's common law wife, Violet.

22:29 What is his mindset?

22:29 If this man is really the narcissist psychopath we believe him to be,

22:34 will Violet's life be in danger, too?

22:37 So, they devised a ruse.

22:40 On June 10th, 2024, Terry Rose and Violet were

22:43 called to the police station to discuss another case.

22:47 Terry's father had been a victim of a homicide 5 years after Kim disappeared.

22:54 After that conversation, the Langwell investigators stepped in.

23:00 How you doing?

23:00 All right.

23:01 Good.

23:01 Good.

23:02 I can't remember.

23:06 I'm one of the guys that uh that I was that was working on the Kimberly case.

23:12 Uhhuh.

23:12 I think he was truly caught off guard that he was called

23:14 to the police station for one thing and now this is happening.

23:17 It's been signed by the judge.

23:19 As detectives Tamayo and Wilson served Terry Rose with the search warrant,

23:24 investigators were at his house ready to begin looking for Kim Langwell.

23:29 I want you to understand what all it entails.

23:32 Um, it's going to be a thorough search of the house, possibly under the house.

23:38 So, if there is information that you want to tell us,

23:42 is Kimberly on the property?

23:45 Is there any evidence of her murder on the property?

23:49 Shouldn't be.

23:52 No.

23:52 Did you murder Kim?

23:55 No.

23:55 So, is there any reason why we're going to find any kind of blood

23:59 or evidence or remains or anything like that anywhere on your property, sir?

24:05 No.

24:05 I don't know what you want.

24:07 You want the body?

24:08 Well, I understand this.

24:09 I don't have anything to tell you.

24:12 Okay.

24:12 We just wanted to give you that opportunity.

24:14 Is this mine or That's your Yes, sir.

24:17 I think at that point he knew that his world was crashing down,

24:20 but he couldn't stop it.

24:23 Come, Violet.

24:26 Hi.

24:25 Detectives Wilson and Tamayo then went to speak to Violet.

24:31 We have the search warrant to look for Kimberly Manuel all through the property.

24:38 Okay.

24:37 If there's anything that we need to know now before we begin, this is the time.

24:43 I honestly can tell you I don't know anything about where she is

24:49 or anything about that.

24:50 She really wasn't worried about Terry.

24:52 I don't think I think that she really thought that he had nothing

24:54 to do with this and we weren't going to find whatever we were looking for.

24:58 So y'all just do what you have to do.

25:00 Well, if I had have known this, I would have washed the dishes.

25:06 Oh gosh.

25:08 Terry Rose and Violet were free to go, but not to their home.

25:12 Police put tracking devices on Tererry's

25:15 vehicles so they could monitor his movements.

25:18 The next day, an FBI evidence response

25:21 team assisted Bulmont PD investigators at Terry's house.

25:26 They brought in their own equipment, ground penetrating radar.

25:29 So, they started that tedious process of scanning all the rooms.

25:34 By day three of the search,

25:35 they scanned one of the two bedrooms in Terry Rose's house.

25:39 But the next morning, the equipment had to be pulled.

25:43 Now, there was a little bit of a scramble

25:45 and a panic of we need to get another GPR out here, a ground pinch radar.

25:49 But Detective Wilson had a great idea and somebody we could call on.

25:55 That somebody was Tim Miller, the founder of Texas Aquaarch,

25:59 an organization that specializes in finding missing people.

26:04 You know, it doesn't matter when we get that phone call.

26:06 We're we're there to help the family, help law enforcement.

26:11 Later that afternoon, Miller and his team got to work on the second bedroom.

26:17 Literally within three or four minutes, we noticed that there's something here.

26:21 There's no wire mesh.

26:22 This area has been disturbed.

26:24 And then I pounded on it just a couple times lightly.

26:28 And that area was hollow.

26:30 You could hear it.

26:31 I could hear it.

26:31 And it was like, she has to be here.

26:35 Almost immediately, we start breaking the tile

26:37 flooring that was in that bedroom.

26:40 We started with a sledgehammer and once we made that initial break in the tile,

26:44 we realized that he had stacked cinder blocks underneath the flooring.

26:48 So those cinder blocks just immediately collapsed and there was a a a divot.

26:53 Yeah.

26:53 A void.

26:55 So we knew this is not normal.

26:57 We knew we were in the right area.

27:03 Then Detective Tamayo made a discovery.

27:06 I found a uh like a keychain in a pair of sunglasses.

27:12 Not long after, they found something else.

27:16 One of our ID technicians actually found three small,

27:19 very small bones that we believe were toebones.

27:43 Once we found human bones, we knew she was there and the decision was made.

27:50 It's time to get an arrest war.

27:53 On June 13th, 2024, more than two decades after Kim Langwell disappeared,

27:59 undercover Bowmont police officers had their eyes on Terry Rose,

28:04 tracking his every movement as they waited for an arrest

28:08 warrant for murder to be signed by a judge.

28:12 And Mitch, you're being briefed on all this, right?

28:15 Yes, I'm back at the police station.

28:17 And where is Terry?

28:18 Terry is going to a local restaurant here in town to have dinner with his wife.

28:21 Terry Rose is walking out of the restaurant and I could hear the chatter.

28:25 All right, I got eyes on.

28:27 Is that warrant sign?

28:28 We see him moving.

28:29 He's paying his check.

28:30 He's walking and then I say warrant sign.

28:32 Arrest him.

28:33 All right.

28:34 I say move, boys.

28:34 Feet on the ground.

28:39 Hands.

28:39 Hands.

28:40 LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS.

28:41 HANDS UP.

28:42 HANDS UP.

28:44 Back up.

28:45 VIOLET, BACK UP.

28:46 OVER HERE.

28:47 over here.

28:47 Get down on the ground.

28:50 Get her.

28:50 Get her.

28:52 His demeanor was different.

28:53 It wasn't the same Terry I'd seen.

28:56 You could see the defeat on his face.

28:57 I think he knew it was over.

29:01 Don't hurt me.

29:03 Terry Rose was immediately transported to the police department

29:07 where detectives Wilson and Tomo were waiting to question him.

29:12 See him right here.

29:17 We do have an arrest warrant for you for for the offense of murder.

29:21 You don't want to talk.

29:22 Nothing to say.

29:23 What can I say?

29:25 Well, there there's probably a lot to say.

29:27 I mean, are you curious about what what we have found or or why you're here?

29:34 No, you got what you want.

29:36 His true character is being revealed in that moment.

29:40 I won't be believed anyway.

29:41 I don't I'm not going to waste my breath.

29:43 I mean, I'm interested in what you have to say.

29:45 I really am.

29:46 I I will hear you out.

29:49 The family, maybe.

29:51 Do you have anything to say to to Kim's family?

29:57 No.

29:57 Detectives then brought Terry Rose's wife, Violet,

30:00 along with her brother and sister-in-law into the interrogation room.

30:06 I was going to ask the obvious question.

30:07 I was I was going to say we're here because

30:11 Yes.

30:10 You found him.

30:12 Yes.

30:12 May I ask where?

30:17 Uh,

30:16 under one of the bedrooms.

30:19 Violet sleeping.

30:20 It's okay, Violet.

30:21 Violet, it's okay.

30:22 Hey, Violet.

30:23 Violet again.

30:25 You didn't know it.

30:26 You trusted him.

30:27 Okay.

30:28 It's okay, Violet.

30:29 It's okay.

30:30 I understand, Violet.

30:31 I understand.

30:34 Oh my god.

30:36 Oh my god.

30:36 You're going to get through this.

30:37 You're going to get through this.

30:40 Mhm.

30:40 You got my Okay.

30:46 I'm sorry.

30:47 Don't be Don't be sorry.

30:50 Well, that's a shock.

30:51 Do you believe that Violet knew nothing about the fact that her husband

30:57 murdered this woman and buried her under the floor of the house?

31:01 I believe that she did not know any of that.

31:03 I don't think she ever speculated that he was actually involved.

31:07 Violet declined our request for an interview.

31:12 Now in custody, Terry Rose headed to jail facing a murder charge.

31:17 And we watched him walk down the stairs and handcuffs, you know,

31:21 with police escorting him to the police car and then, you know,

31:26 stared him down, gave him the looks that he deserved as he,

31:30 you know, had to drive right past us to go to prison.

31:39 And your eyes were sending a message, right?

31:43 Absolutely.

31:43 And that message was,

31:45 "We got you.

31:47 I finally have her back.

31:49 Not the way I want her, but he's he's finally going to pay for what he did."

31:55 Did you do it?

31:57 Did you?

31:59 Back at the Rose property,

32:00 investigators continued to dig into the early morning hours.

32:04 to make sure they recovered all of the remains.

32:08 So the whole excavation process took about 13 hours.

32:11 So we were there through the night.

32:13 We found her completely skeletonized.

32:15 She had been wrapped in a blanket.

32:17 So luckily she was all there.

32:18 We found all of her.

32:21 And there was also a very obvious gunshot wound to the back of her head.

32:24 Is there an emotional component for you at this moment?

32:28 It is.

32:28 It's very, it's kind of hard to describe the room,

32:31 but it was very quiet and we all knew that this was

32:35 a grave site somewhere that she had been buried and imprisoned for years.

32:40 And um it was a great moment knowing that we're finally getting

32:44 her out of this house to bring her home to her family.

32:47 come back.

32:49 Weeks later, the results from DNA testing

32:51 and dental records verified what everyone already knew,

32:56 that the remains were in fact Kim.

33:04 We were very excited about going to trial on this case.

33:07 Jefferson County Prosecutor Luke Nichols was also confident

33:12 they found a murder victim's body under a man's floor.

33:14 Uh, so as far as proving it, it was a great case, strong case.

33:19 Nicholls was ready to share with jurors his theory

33:22 of what happened to Kim Langwell the evening she was murdered.

33:26 Something that Kim said or did brought home to Terry Rose that he lost,

33:30 that he lost her, that she was moving on with her life.

33:33 She had a new boyfriend that she was getting serious with.

33:36 She did not need him anymore.

33:38 And that set him off.

33:40 I think once he killed her and made

33:42 the decision to put her body under his floor,

33:44 it was just a sick, twisted way of maintaining physical control over her body.

33:50 Harry Rose, you're being charged with the murder of Kimberly Lang.

33:53 But just a week before the trial was to begin,

33:56 Rose's defense attorney approached Nicholls about a plea deal.

34:00 Nicholls offered a maximum sentence of 40 years without the ability

34:05 to appeal in exchange for a guilty plea from Terry Rose.

34:10 With a guilty plea, he's admitting guilt for the first time since this happened.

34:15 More importantly, we can't promise that a jury

34:18 of 12 people is going to always get it right.

34:22 When presented with the deal, Tiffany and Susan had mixed feelings.

34:27 I wasn't happy, you know, at first.

34:30 What I had to think about is the fact

34:32 that we have lived and breathed this situation for 25 years.

34:38 And if I can walk away from this courtroom and I don't

34:41 have to come back for any kind of appeals, that's a good day.

34:46 Rose's attorney agreed to the terms.

34:49 Now, prosecutor Nichols would have to persuade the judge

34:53 to give Terry Rose the maximum 40-year sentence.

34:57 We had this horrible story of what he had done to this family

35:00 and I thought it was important to get all that out there.

35:03 Nicholls would present crucial evidence at the sentencing hearing,

35:07 including testimony from his star witness, David Wy.

35:11 What I told him was,

35:12 "This is your chance to make it as right as you can at this point.

35:15 You can't go back 25 years and start telling the truth,

35:18 but you can start now." State calls David Wy.

35:40 I'm anxious.

35:41 I'm nervous to have to look at him.

35:44 So, a lot of nerves going in to that that moment.

35:51 That moment, over a quarter of a century in the making,

35:54 came in December of 2025 when Tiffany McInness,

35:59 flanked by supporters, faced her mother's killer in a courtroom.

36:08 All right.

36:10 The terms of the plea deal were he would get anything up to 40 years.

36:13 At his age, 40 years is a life sentence.

36:15 And my goal from the get-go is to make

36:16 sure he never breathed one more breath of free air.

36:20 Prosecutor Nichols called David Wy to the stand.

36:24 You swear or affirm the testimony you're going

36:25 to give in this hearing will be the truth,

36:26 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

36:28 Yes, I do.

36:29 Who recounted Terry Rose's confession to him back in 1999?

36:34 Did you give you any detail as to how that happened or where he shot her?

36:38 Only thing you told me was the back of the head.

36:40 That he shot Kim in the back of the head.

36:42 Correct.

36:42 Now, the police asked you about this in 1999, didn't they?

36:46 Yes, they did.

36:46 And did you tell them the truth about what had happened and what Terry had said?

36:49 No, I did not.

36:50 And so, you kept your mouth shut, didn't he?

36:52 I did.

36:53 You kept Terry's secret?

36:54 I did.

36:56 Wy said he now regrets guarding that secret,

36:59 which caused so much needless heartache and despair.

37:03 25 years after it happened, what made you come forward?

37:06 I didn't want to live it any longer.

37:08 Tired of it being on my conscience.

37:10 Is there something you want to say to Tiffany McGuinness and her family?

37:14 I wish I'd have came forward right when it happened.

37:18 What was it like to listen to Wy on the stand?

37:22 Frustrating.

37:23 It's frustrating that here we spent all this time trying to figure out

37:30 what the hell happened and you had an answer right in your back pocket.

37:34 So, Tiffany, um I'm sorry you have to be here.

37:39 Me, too.

37:40 Tiffany was called to testify.

37:43 And once I'm on the stand, all I can think about is do not stare at him

37:46 because I don't know if I'll be able to talk.

37:49 She described those agonizing years not knowing where

37:52 her mother was or what had happened to her.

37:55 My mom is the person that I go to for everything.

37:58 So, um, lost, very lost.

38:02 Tiffany recalled her devastation on learning

38:05 her mother's fate all those years later.

38:08 I just screamed and pulled over my car

38:11 and then expressed her hope for Terry Rose's punishment.

38:16 I would like him sentenced to at least 40 years.

38:19 I think he deserves that.

38:21 And you and I've spoken.

38:22 There's not a number that really makes this right, isn't it?

38:26 No, there never will be.

38:28 The judge also heard from Terry Rose himself.

38:32 This is a prepaid call from

38:35 Terry Road

38:36 via a recorded jail call with his son.

38:39 At one point, Terry Rose callously described

38:43 his frame of mind when he killed Kim Langwell.

38:47 Uh, you know, I'm not like a psychopath, sociopath,

38:51 crazy ass, you know, I'm not none of that.

38:53 I'm just I had a bad day.

38:54 I dealt with it wrong.

38:55 I up and I'm got to deal with it.

38:58 Then the two coldly discussed what they wished for Tiffany.

39:03 She's in her 40s.

39:04 People die in their 40s and 50s all the time.

39:07 That'd be sweet.

39:09 I mean, yeah, that'd be sweet.

39:11 I I will pee in a cup, send it to y'all to pour on her grave.

39:17 I will mail you a cup of my and you can pour it on her grave.

39:22 And to say that about the daughter of a woman you killed is just horrific.

39:31 The fact on that phone call that you said you're not a psychopath.

39:34 Who isn't a psychopath that kills someone that they once cared about and buries

39:42 them in their house and lives on top of them for 25 years.

39:45 I would think that's the definition in Webster's dictionary of a psychopath.

39:49 Now, Judge West handed down her sentence.

39:53 And Tiffany's right.

39:54 40 years isn't enough.

39:56 There is a part of me that wishes I

39:57 had not accepted this plea agreement and that we had

40:00 gone to trial last week because I do think

40:02 a jury would have given you life for 99 years.

40:04 I actually do.

40:06 I'm going to sentence you to a term of 40

40:08 years in the institutional division of the Texas Department of Corrections.

40:13 And Tiffany got the final word.

40:17 Milestones that should have been shared with my mom.

40:20 My 16th birthday, my 18th birthday,

40:24 my high school graduation have all been shadowed by her absence.

40:29 It wasn't until we got to my victim's statement that I really stared at him

40:34 and I wanted him to hear my words because I meant every single one.

40:38 You refer to the day you murdered my mother

40:40 and buried her beneath your bedroom as a bad day.

40:44 That bad day cost me everything.

40:48 If he's watching, do you have anything to say to Terry Rose?

40:52 I don't think I have anything left to say to him.

40:55 I hope he rots in jail.

41:04 When you think about your mom now, what do you think about?

41:11 Um, I try to remember all the good times with mom more than anything.

41:16 the good memories, her humor.

41:19 My mom was so strong and she deserves us

41:23 talking about her and keeping her alive in that way.

41:27 How she lived as opposed to how she died.

41:32 Absolutely.

41:32 Yeah.

42:06 Welcome to Postmortem.

42:07 I'm your host Ann Marie Green, 48 Hours correspondent.

42:10 And today we are discussing the case of Kim Langwell,

42:14 who went missing on July 9th, 1999 in Texas.

42:17 Her daughter, Tiffany McKinnus, was just 15 years old at the time and then

42:22 spent over two decades wondering what happened to her mother.

42:26 And then in 2024, investigators found Kim's body

42:31 buried under the floor of her ex-boyfriend's house,

42:34 who was still living there all those years later.

42:37 So with me now to discuss his report is 48 hours correspondent Peter Vans.

42:42 Peter, welcome.

42:43 This is quite a case.

42:46 Yes.

42:46 And uh great to be with you again, Anmarie.

42:49 I've covered a lot of cases in which people have

42:52 disposed of their victims in, shall I say, unique ways.

42:55 burning, sinking, burying, dismembering, and scattering,

42:59 even leaving them out for animals to consume.

43:02 But never have I covered one where a victim

43:04 is buried under the floorboards in the killer's house.

43:08 It's just mindboggling when you really put this together.

43:11 And as we hear from the judge,

43:13 what she had to say in this hour, this killer was a real psychopath.

43:19 Mhm.

43:20 A quick reminder to everyone, if you haven't actually watched this episode yet,

43:24 uh, or listened to it, it's called Kimberly Langwell's Hidden Grave.

43:28 Go check it out and then come on back for this conversation.

43:31 All right.

43:32 So, when Kim Langwell first disappeared,

43:35 investigators considered a few possible suspects,

43:38 including her then boyfriend, Ken Weatherford,

43:41 and Kim's former boss, Frank McCormack,

43:44 who police discovered would send her love letters, leave presents at her home.

43:49 And then Frank's behavior became sort of even more suspicious when

43:53 they discovered these disturbing photo collages he sent him of women,

43:59 other women's bodies, but with her face on it.

44:02 Can you just explain more about how Ken

44:04 and Frank were then eventually ruled out in this investigation?

44:08 I know, and both of them sound like persons of interest.

44:11 Often the spouse or the romantic partner,

44:13 as our viewers well know, is where police first start their investigation.

44:17 But Ken Weatherford had a solid alibi.

44:20 He was with Kim's daughter, Tiffany,

44:23 during the time frame that her mother went missing.

44:26 Frank McCormick's behavior upset Kim, but Frank willingly provided a statement.

44:32 Around the time Kim disappeared,

44:34 he told investigators he was at a grocery store to buy some

44:38 chips for a poker game and he had the receipt to prove it.

44:42 So investigators determined he had an alibi at the time and we reached out,

44:48 by the way, for an interview with Frank McCormack, but he declined.

44:54 Okay.

44:54 So then the original investigators move

44:57 on and they look into Kim's ex-boyfriend, Terry Rose.

45:01 He admits that he saw her on the evening

45:03 that she disappeared and hadn't heard from her after that, obviously.

45:07 But investigators found Terry Rose vague.

45:10 He failed a polygraph test.

45:13 He becomes the prime suspect at this time.

45:15 Well, Detective Ball was pretty certain that Terry Rose was lying.

45:19 And if someone's lying to an investigator, you know, that sets off the alarm.

45:23 But he didn't have any real evidence yet to confront him with.

45:26 And people always have to remember they can't arrest on a feeling.

45:29 They need evidence.

45:30 And Rose did come willingly to the police station and he provided a statement.

45:35 Rose said that on the evening she disappeared.

45:37 Kim arrived around 5:10 or 5:15 p.m.

45:41 and was at his house for just a short time,

45:44 he said, before leaving to go meet her daughter, Tiffany.

45:48 Detective Ball thought he was being cooperative,

45:50 allowing police to search in and around his house.

45:53 Murderers don't do that, right?

45:54 They don't say, "Hey, come on over.

45:56 Look around.

45:57 Do anything you want." So investigators said that there

46:00 was lots of junk inside that house everywhere,

46:02 but no evidence of Kim or that any violence had occurred inside that house.

46:09 And what a little bit more on Rose,

46:11 he is perplexing because he didn't have a criminal record and still

46:15 to this day has never had any other criminal record through the years.

46:20 This is his one and only.

46:23 But here's the thing.

46:24 Like Kim's family and her friends, they, you know, were suspicious of him.

46:28 Kim's friend Esther said that Rose was violent, that he was controlling,

46:32 that Kim even told Esther that she was afraid

46:35 that if she tried to leave, he would kill her.

46:38 What was Rose's behavior like after Kim disappeared?

46:43 Well, Tiffany witnessed um Tererry's

46:46 obsessive behavior after the relationship ended.

46:50 He would call the house at all times of the day and night.

46:54 He would lurk around outside and he questioned Tiffany on Kim's whereabouts.

46:59 I mean, this was really creepy.

47:01 And all of that stopped when Kim went missing.

47:04 Isn't that interesting?

47:06 And according to Kim's sister, Susan, he put up those billboards around town,

47:10 you know, asking for help in finding her.

47:13 But the family felt it wasn't in a genuine effort to to find her.

47:17 Perhaps it was just performative,

47:19 a manipulation perhaps to show police that he was concerned to find her.

47:25 Um, you know, Tiffany is just 15.

47:27 I have a daughter in that age range.

47:30 This is the time when you are be growing

47:32 into from a child really to a young woman.

47:35 There's no good time obviously to lose your mother,

47:38 but 15 is particularly crucial.

47:42 these billboards.

47:44 It must have been kind of torturous emotionally for Tiffany.

47:48 That's the word.

47:49 It was torturous for her to go out and there out

47:52 in the public a giant billboard with your mother's picture on it.

47:56 It was traumatic.

47:57 And how she made it through all of that to this wonderful

48:00 woman that we know today is um is a such an accomplishment.

48:05 She she went through hell.

48:07 So, you know, Rose is out there putting up these billboards.

48:09 Did he actually reach out to Tiffany?

48:11 I don't I don't know.

48:12 Did he try to console her?

48:14 Not at all.

48:14 And in fact, she told us about a disturbing interaction she had with Rose

48:19 at a Jack in the Box restaurant um a few years after her mother's disappearance.

48:24 Let's listen to uh a conversation we had about that.

48:29 At 18 years old, I remember walking into a Jack

48:32 in the Box to get some food and I have somebody standing behind me and I go

48:37 to turn around and Terry Rose is in my face.

48:41 He's standing right in front of me and it just shocked me.

48:45 I I thought, "Oh my god." And he looks directly at me and he says,

48:49 "You remember me?" And I said, "Do I remember you?" "Yeah, yeah, I remember you.

48:58 And he said, "Have you seen your mom lately?" Uh, no.

49:03 And my mouth just dropped open.

49:05 I was so scared and I wanted to be strong.

49:09 And I just remember looking at him and I said, "Yeah,

49:14 I see her in my dreams." It was so odd to ask

49:18 me if I remembered him just three years after I lost my mom.

49:24 and I'd lived in this man's house for five years.

49:28 Tiffany said she felt like he was taunting her knowing the entire time

49:33 that he had her mother's remains.

49:36 So awful.

49:37 Um, so here we are with this case though.

49:41 Back then there's no physical evidence.

49:43 So the case goes cold and it's decades later

49:47 when Bowmont police decide that they want to reinvestigate.

49:51 But I wonder why.

49:52 Why did they think that this was a case worth taking a second look at?

49:55 The TV program Cold Justice reached out to the department asking

49:59 about unsolved cases that that they might feature on their show.

50:04 And then Bumont PD suggested Kim's case.

50:07 Cole Justice chose to investigate and the Bowont PD appointed detectives

50:12 to work alongside them and reinter old suspects and that was key.

50:18 So then we have a new team led by new detective, Detective Heather Wilson.

50:23 They have fresh eyes.

50:24 They take a closer look at Terry Rose.

50:27 It's 2023 now.

50:28 He is 66 years old.

50:31 His health isn't the best.

50:34 What story does he tell police all these years later about what happened?

50:37 Just kind of rewinding the tape.

50:39 Police approached him in 2023 and Rose was still

50:42 adamant he had nothing to do with Kim's disappearance.

50:46 Investigators did interview him again in 2024.

50:50 Our team watched that interview and investigators

50:53 asked Rose direct comments about Kim.

50:56 Yet, he had a way of constantly changing the conversation.

51:00 Uh Rose was obsessed.

51:01 Remember, he's an old guy now.

51:03 He's obsessed with his cats.

51:04 He was asking cops to go feed his cats.

51:07 He knew they were going to visit his house with a search warrant.

51:10 Uh but what was he concerned about?

51:12 His kitty cats.

51:14 And also, you know, by this point, he doesn't look like a murderer.

51:17 He looks like a grandpa.

51:19 In 2001, when the FBI assisted the police in interviewing Terry Rose,

51:24 he acknowledged that he didn't have an alibi for the crucial hours around 5:30.

51:29 And that's when investigators believe Kim went missing.

51:32 But Rose did tell them that he met up with a friend, David Wy.

51:36 They shot pool in that that evening from around 9:30 p.m.

51:40 to midnight.

51:42 At the time, David cooperated his story, but after all these years,

51:47 did investigators believe that they could

51:48 get perhaps more information out of David,

51:51 more than they could get out of Terry?

51:53 Well, investigators felt that David Wy was

51:56 the weakest link in that original investigation.

51:59 So, they decided to really put some pressure on him.

52:03 Prosecutors convened a grand jury.

52:06 You if you lie, it's perjury.

52:08 They both stuck to their stories.

52:10 But investigators kept pressing Wy and after striking an immunity deal with him.

52:16 He spilled the beans and he agreed to take

52:18 a polygraph test and he made this confession.

52:21 He said Rose told him that Kim was at his house.

52:26 They got into an argument and then he shot her.

52:29 According to Wy, Rose told him that he quote

52:33 put her under the slab in one of the bedrooms.

52:37 So, this is a huge break in the case, right?

52:39 Investigators want to arrest Harry Rose, but they can't, not yet.

52:43 Because the DA insist that they have to get

52:46 physical evidence to back up David Wley's story.

52:49 Detectives are worried that if Rose finds out about

52:52 this, that David Wy and Rose's common law wife, Violet, could be in danger.

52:57 So, they set up this really interesting ruse.

53:00 On June 10th, 2024, they called Terry Rose and Violet to the police

53:04 station under the pretense that they want to discuss his father's homicide,

53:10 which had occurred 5 years after Kim's disappearance.

53:14 Once they're there, investigators serve Rose with a warrant.

53:17 Can you talk a little bit about this bait and switch and how it worked?

53:20 Ah, very clever move.

53:22 The ever obsessive Terry Rose was no longer

53:25 in control and investigators were at his house.

53:29 while Rose talked with cops back at the station.

53:32 It was brilliant.

53:33 I'm I'm curious about the technology that they use to search for the body.

53:37 You don't really hear about ground penetrating radar very often, right?

53:41 But these radars work like a submarine sonar.

53:44 It sends down waves that bounce back and it reveals images.

53:49 And the FBI was there first with their experts.

53:52 Investigators knew the body was under a bedroom

53:56 based on what David Wy had told them.

53:58 So, the FBI focused on one of the two bedrooms there,

54:02 but after 3 days of searching, uh, the equipment had to be pulled

54:05 out and they hadn't yet found anything significant.

54:09 That's where this case takes a fascinating turn because

54:12 that's where a man named Tim Miller comes in.

54:15 After his own daughter was abducted and murdered,

54:18 he formed a nonprofit called Texas Equisarch.

54:22 He has since found so many missing people through his company.

54:27 Wow.

54:27 He's it's a true labor of love what he

54:29 does honoring his his daughter Laura's memory and Miller

54:34 believes his daughter just as a quick aside

54:36 was killed by a man named Clyde Edwin Hedrickk

54:40 the longtime suspect in the Texas killing fields case

54:43 and 48 hours covered this case and in 1984

54:47 16-year-old Laura Miller was found in the same field

54:52 not far from where another victim had been found.

54:55 Hedrickk wasn't charged or sentenced in connection

54:58 to her death and recently died in March 2026.

55:02 Uh it's a shame that someone who's doing so so much good work

55:06 for other families can never really get

55:08 the closure that you know he was seeking.

55:11 All right, so let's get back to Terry Rose's house.

55:14 So where does the investigation go from there?

55:16 Well, so Tim Miller looked in the other bedroom that had not yet been checked.

55:21 Uh, and that's where his team found the location

55:25 of Kim's body in a matter of minutes.

55:29 And it's not in the show, but I interviewed the ground penetrating radar

55:33 operator who showed me how it worked.

55:36 He put the machine down.

55:38 It senses a disturbance, what they call, in the space under the floor,

55:43 and then Tim knocks and and and hears it.

55:47 It has a hollow sound.

55:48 So Kim's body was found completely skeletonized and wrapped in a blanket

55:54 with a gunshot wound to the back of her head.

56:00 Welcome back.

56:01 On June 13th, 2024, this is more

56:04 than two decades after Kim Langwell went missing,

56:06 Terry Rose was arrested for her murder.

56:09 And detectives also brought Terry's wife, Violet, into the interrogation room.

56:16 Her reaction to finding out where Kim's body had been

56:20 found was one of the most intense parts of this episode.

56:25 Absolutely.

56:25 It was like uh an electrical current ran through her when she found out.

56:30 It was very powerful, even devastating.

56:33 And Violet was working for Terry Rose around

56:36 the time that Kim disappeared way back then.

56:38 And she knew Kim.

56:40 We reached out uh to Violet for an interview, but she declined.

56:45 I mean, this was such a traumatic

56:46 incident for her, but authorities came away feeling

56:50 very comfortable that she had nothing to do with this and no knowledge of it.

56:54 I mean, it's it's more than shocking.

56:56 Um, it it's sickening to think that, you know,

57:00 they are living in this house and this body

57:03 has been decomposing for decades just below their feet.

57:08 Yeah.

57:08 Just try to imagine that.

57:10 He had two kids with his first wife and it was the kid's bedroom.

57:14 So, his children were walking around and he

57:16 knew right below their feet was this corpse.

57:21 GH, it's so eerie.

57:22 So, next thing up is the trial.

57:24 But then just a week before the trial is set to begin,

57:27 Rose's defense attorney approached prosecutor Luke Nichols about a plea deal.

57:32 So, Nicholls offered a maximum sentence of 40 years without

57:36 the ability to appeal in exchange for a guilty plea from Rose.

57:41 I mean, it's been decades now.

57:43 This reckoning has been coming for a long time.

57:46 I wonder how Tiffany felt about not going to trial.

57:50 Well, initially Tiffany wasn't happy about the deal.

57:54 She wanted to go to trial because if convicted,

57:57 Rose would have faced the possibility of life in prison.

58:02 But then she realized that with the uncertainty of what a jury might decide,

58:06 it was best to take the deal.

58:08 And Tiffany understands that since Rose was going

58:11 to be going into prison at age 68, a 40-year sentence would put him over 100,

58:19 which is why this, in her mind, is a life sentence.

58:23 Was anyone there to support Terry Rose at the sentencing?

58:28 Investigators believe that he had absolutely no supporters.

58:33 Violet and his kids were not in the courtroom.

58:36 David Wy.

58:37 He entered the courtroom quickly.

58:39 He testified and then he quickly left.

58:41 He looked very nervous and paranoid in the hallway outside of the court.

58:46 He declined our request for an interview.

58:49 But on the stand, he said that he had come

58:52 forward because he didn't want this on his conscience anymore.

58:56 Easy to say now.

58:57 I mean, if only he'd come forward a couple decades earlier, right?

59:02 Yes.

59:02 And then prosecutors played a pretty damning recorded jail call

59:07 between Terry Rose and his son who is also named Terry.

59:12 Right.

59:12 Rose said um he wasn't a psychopath.

59:15 He just had a bad day and he dealt with it wrong.

59:18 That's the way he said it.

59:20 His son joked about Tiffany dying.

59:23 And Terry Rose says he would pee in a cup

59:26 and send it to his son to pour on Tiffany's grave.

59:31 That tape is being played in court.

59:33 Tiffany is hearing this.

59:34 This is one last final dig.

59:38 And the judge uh heard this tape and boy did she have something to say.

59:43 Let's take a listen.

59:45 There's just certain things that I can't even look past to not point out.

59:51 who isn't a psychopath that kills someone that they once cared about and buries

59:58 them in their house and lives on top of them for 25 years.

1:00:01 I would think that's the definition in Webster's dictionary of a psychopath.

1:00:06 There is a part of me that wishes I

1:00:07 had not accepted this plea agreement and that we had

1:00:09 gone to trial last week because I do think

1:00:12 a jury would have given you life for 99 years.

1:00:14 I actually do.

1:00:15 I mean, you can understand the judge's point of view on this.

1:00:18 Yeah, we we all so admired her.

1:00:22 Uh she really put him in his place.

1:00:25 You mentioned earlier that in fact Harry Rose's father was a homicide victim.

1:00:30 Have investigators ever looked into Rose as a suspect?

1:00:34 Because that was honestly the first thing that I thought.

1:00:36 Well, it's interesting.

1:00:37 Rose's father's case is still an open homicide investigation.

1:00:42 Uh he was murdered in 2004 on his property,

1:00:46 which by the way is right next door to his son Terry Rose's house.

1:00:50 And Rose is the one who found him dead the next morning.

1:00:54 In 2023, Detective Wilson said they started looking back into Joseph's case,

1:01:00 the father, and found a good suspect lead to follow up on.

1:01:04 But she also said, "We do not believe

1:01:07 Rose is involved in the murder of his father." Okay.

1:01:11 At sentencing, Tiffany gave a very emotional victim impact statement.

1:01:16 We heard some of it in the show,

1:01:18 but I want to play an extended clip of her statement.

1:01:22 Kimberly Langwell has been a name and a face

1:01:24 on a missing person poster for the last 25 years.

1:01:28 But to me, she was my mother, my anchor, the center of my world.

1:01:33 You refer to the day you murdered my mother

1:01:35 and buried her beneath your bedroom as a bad day.

1:01:39 That bad day cost me everything.

1:01:43 It stole my childhood, my sense of safety,

1:01:47 my trust, the future that her and I planned,

1:01:51 and the chance for my children to ever know their grandmother.

1:01:56 You have no regard for human life.

1:01:59 Held her captive even in death.

1:02:01 What a what a line that is so powerful.

1:02:05 She said it all with conviction, determination, and courage.

1:02:08 And she looked directly at Rose.

1:02:11 She wanted to make sure he was looking at her and heard

1:02:15 every word and saw the pain on her face.

1:02:18 That's what I wondered, Peter.

1:02:19 I wondered if this was empowering for her, right?

1:02:23 Because here's this guy that tried to intimidate her as a teenager.

1:02:28 It must have just meant so much.

1:02:31 He has to sit there and listen to it and take it.

1:02:35 Yeah, absolutely.

1:02:37 Um, and Marie, this was her moment.

1:02:39 She rose to the occasion.

1:02:41 She's so strong.

1:02:43 Um, despite not having a mother after the age of 15, of course.

1:02:48 I mean, where does this strength come from?

1:02:50 How does she move forward?

1:02:53 She now goes out and and and does various speaking engagements.

1:02:57 And when the Bumont Police Department, when they hire new people,

1:03:00 uh, they present certain cases to teach them about how they operate.

1:03:04 And Tiffany goes with detective Heather Wilson

1:03:08 and she talks about her mother's case.

1:03:10 She is moving on with her life.

1:03:12 She has two kids.

1:03:14 Her daughter is now around the age that she was when her mother disappeared.

1:03:19 And that daughter's name is Kimber.

1:03:21 It's a variation of her mother's name, Kim.

1:03:25 And in this case, through this tragedy,

1:03:27 they can finally celebrate Tiffany's journey to find final justice.

1:03:32 And in the end, she prevailed.

1:03:35 I love that they get to have the final say about their loved one, not him.

1:03:40 And the other thing that I love about this hour

1:03:43 is this is a story about dedicated badass women.

1:03:50 Tiffany McGinness, who never gave up hope.

1:03:53 Lead investigator Heather Wilson,

1:03:55 who takes on this decadesl long case, and then the judge,

1:03:58 Raquel West, holding both Terry Rose and David Wally's feet to the fire.

1:04:03 Yeah, it the circle is closed.

1:04:06 It's a tragic circle,

1:04:07 but at least at the end of the day, there is that satisfaction.

1:04:11 Um, thank you so much, Peter.

1:04:13 Thank you.

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