NEXT TARGET? El Chapo’s Son and the Escalating Sinaloa Cartel War

0:01 more or less.

0:02 Yeah.

0:02 The CIA can find almost anybody within reason.

0:05 Anybody that's operating any kind of urban area at all that's exposed.

0:11 Yeah, you're right.

0:11 They can find The reason they don't is because, you know, I mean,

0:15 a we know that the CIA

0:16 from the beginning has assisted facilitated drug trafficking.

0:21 I think part of it sinisterly is that they just don't want the war to end.

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0:46 My next guest is someone we've had on the show before, Johnny Mitchell,

0:49 who shows up tell us everything he knows

0:51 about what's going on in the cartels today.

0:52 Well, brother, thank you for coming back on the show.

0:54 Really excited to hear what you have to say.

0:56 A lot of things going down in Mexico and the cartels and uh you know,

0:59 you have a really good insight to this information

1:03 and I'd love to hear what you're thinking.

1:05 Um, what do you think about what's going on in Mexico right now?

1:08 Just what are your thoughts on everything that's happening?

1:12 Oh, that's such a broad question.

1:14 I mean, you know, Meno is now dead.

1:17 May he rest in peace, my sweet Menchito.

1:20 Um and that was likely uh hit by the Mexican government.

1:26 So uh under pressure from the Trump administration

1:30 over the last year since Trump took office, you see Claudia Shanebomb,

1:35 the Mexican president extraditing a lot of high-V value targets

1:40 as a way to appease Yeah.

1:42 America, right?

1:43 Just lay off of us.

1:44 Don't invade us.

1:45 Don't bomb us.

1:46 let us have our sovereignty, but we'll feed you every now and then when you

1:49 put the heat on, we'll feed you some big fish.

1:53 So, I think what likely happened,

1:54 and this is I'm getting a lot of this uh from from Ed Calderon,

1:57 who's completely dialed in.

1:59 Um uh it's likely that the CIA uh the special forces that entered Mexico a few

2:08 days about a week before uh Menos's

2:11 the the raid of his safe house in Tapa Halisco.

2:17 Uh it's likely that they gave that information.

2:19 They they got the drop on him.

2:20 The American intelligence located him through satellite imagery because

2:26 they had been following uh a lover of Meno,

2:29 some, you know, prostitute basically, right?

2:32 Some young hot like Tik Tok woman.

2:35 And they followed her.

2:36 They found the drop.

2:37 They found his location.

2:38 They gave it over to the Mexican government expecting them to arrest Mencho.

2:45 But instead, what they did is they they said,

2:47 "Oh,[ __] Meno's got the secrets on all of us, right?

2:53 He's been paying off so many people for years.

2:55 It's obviously that's how he's avoided arrest." Uh,

2:59 and so they went in and they cleaned him up, right?

3:01 They killed him.

3:03 So, that's one that's one of the angles.

3:04 Um, right now, my sources in Nogales, Mexico, uh,

3:09 say that the war in Sinoa has finally made it up to the border to that city.

3:14 All right.

3:14 So the Yeah.

3:15 So the Mitos and the Chapisa uh the two two sides of the Simolo cartel are

3:21 now going at it at the border which

3:23 generally has been off limits because that's where

3:25 the the business happens right they just divide

3:28 the city kind of like in TJ Tijuana they

3:31 they divide the city uh and because the drug

3:34 routes are the most important thing they're the lifeblood.

3:37 Uh but now war is spilled out over there.

3:39 So, you know, I I don't really aside from that, you know,

3:43 not not a whole hell of a lot has

3:46 has changed in terms of their the cartels being decapitated.

3:52 Obviously, that's not true at all.

3:55 It's like the Iranian regime.

3:56 You take out the Ayatollah, next guy steps up, he gets a promotion, right?

4:02 So, uh yeah, that's that's just kind of where we're at right now.

4:06 Cocaine is as cheap as it's ever been.

4:10 Really?

4:09 You know, you you can get a key.

4:10 You can get a if you know the people in Los Angeles,

4:14 you can get a kilo right now for like 11 grand.

4:17 It's a joke.

4:18 What does it normally go for?

4:19 What is like the uh highest point you

4:21 think it or you've known it's been sold for.

4:23 Just context.

4:24 Well, back in the day, like 20 years ago, 18 back in 2008, 18 years ago,

4:30 uh a kilo at the border would sell to somebody like a drug dealer,

4:37 not like the lieutenant who was in the cartel,

4:39 but a a a dealer like me could get a kilo for like 22,000.

4:45 Oh[ __] So, it's back.

4:46 That was like a good price.

4:47 That was at the border.

4:48 Now, that's been cut in half.

4:51 So cocaine is insanely cheap in the United States right now,

4:54 which means obviously a ton of it is getting in.

4:56 At meth, the same thing.

4:58 Uh fentanyl production is down.

5:01 Fentanyl, the the the pressure on China

5:04 and the restrictions on the precursors have been effective.

5:08 It hasn't stopped fentanyl by any means, but uh I hear that it's gotten weaker.

5:14 They're having a harder time in in Kuliaakan

5:16 and the surrounding areas in Sidaloa.

5:19 uh they're having a harder time making good batches.

5:21 So you see a lot more raw heroin, old school,

5:25 you know, smack that's now coming into vogue again, right?

5:30 So that's good for the peasants in in regions like

5:34 Solo and Durango who depend on on the poppy uh harvesting,

5:39 the gomeos they call them.

5:41 Uh so they'll have work again.

5:42 So yeah, that's it's just just full circle.

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6:03 You had an interview with uh an individual named

6:06 El Diablo and and everything that's been going on there.

6:11 What I would love to hear is what is actually happening inside the right now.

6:15 What most people are getting wrong.

6:17 I think what most mainstream Americans get wrong,

6:22 well, what the government gets wrong,

6:23 I'm I don't I don't know that they're getting it wrong.

6:25 I think they're just lying.

6:27 Um, what they get wrong is like taking

6:32 out cartel heads stops drug trafficking in any way.

6:36 It doesn't.

6:37 Um, if you go watch that episode with Diablo,

6:40 calls himself Diablo on my channel,

6:43 what you see is he's a cartel operative in the United States.

6:50 He's he's born and raised in Mexico,

6:52 but he's lived in the United States longer than he has in Mexico.

6:56 He's got a crew of truck drivers,

7:00 a partner basically in Mexico who owns a trucking company.

7:04 And they employ mostly Americans, some Mexicans,

7:08 and all they do is go pick up cargo

7:11 after the cocaine makes it into Mexico from Colombia.

7:15 And all they do is pick up the cargo and drive it into the States.

7:19 They have an extremely high rate of success.

7:23 He can't remember the last time he got a load intercepted.

7:26 He gets it in and then he's got distributors here who sell it.

7:29 Is he a cartel member or is he just a drug trafficker?

7:34 He's just a drug trafficking cell.

7:36 Now he his allegiance is to the Misa, the Mayo side of the Senoloa cartel.

7:44 He grew up in Mexalei.

7:45 That's that's the strong a stronghold on the border of the the Mitos, the Maisa.

7:51 So what he does is simply just pay them a percentage of the loads that he sells

7:58 and they protect they protect his cocaine trafficking

8:04 from Mexico until it gets into the United States.

8:07 That's the function of the cartel.

8:10 The drug traffickers, the cartel is like an army.

8:14 It's like a government actually.

8:16 And all the only way they make money

8:20 is by taxing drug traffickers who want to move

8:24 product through their territory because they're the ones who

8:28 have the manpower to pay off the state police, you know, the municipal police.

8:35 Uh, a lot of times the army, they're the ones who can go, you know,

8:39 if if a couple of state cops steal your your work,

8:44 your product, they're the ones that could go take care of them, right?

8:47 But, uh, yeah, the cartel,

8:50 what most people get wrong is they think the cartel is

8:52 some like big scary villain in the hills of of Senoloa.

8:59 And uh it's actually just a collection

9:03 a loose association of many many many many different

9:08 drug trafficking groups that kick their money up

9:12 to a bunch of other different enforcement cells

9:18 that you know and that money eventually and then they have a figure head that I

9:23 guess in theory that money eventually makes it

9:25 to like you know uh myo Junior Right.

9:29 Mayo Zambata's son.

9:31 His name's escaping me.

9:32 Mito Flaco they call him.

9:35 Yeah.

9:34 It's one of Mayo's many sons who's now the head of the organization.

9:39 And then of course on the Chapa side, it's um

9:43 it is Ivon Archie Valdo, uh one of Chapo's oldest sons.

9:48 So, I think that's what people get wrong is

9:49 like they think it's like some some grand[ __] conspiracy,

9:54 but actually it's it it's some really really complicated, you know,

9:58 Fortune 500 company when in reality it's it's much more decentralized.

10:05 The figure head is just the Sorry, sorry to cut you off.

10:07 The figure head is just there mostly for propaganda and fear.

10:13 Yeah.

10:13 And you know, if you don't mind breaking down

10:15 a little bit what's going on with the Sinoa cartel.

10:18 They're at war.

10:20 Of course, as I said,

10:21 the wars uh obviously spilled out of Sinoa and Kulyakan where it's still raging.

10:29 Uh and it now finds itself in in Nogales, Arizona, which is a key plaza.

10:36 That's one of the biggest transit points for drugs moving into America.

10:42 It was peaceful until about a month ago and I

10:45 just got a text from my source down there.

10:46 He said bodies are dropping.

10:48 It finally made it up there.

10:49 Tijana.

10:50 Um those are the main Caloa Places and Mexalei of course.

10:55 So uh so those you've got the Chapisa and the Misa,

11:00 but the enforcement wings there's groups subgroups

11:06 that are the armed wings that police those plas.

11:10 So, Los Rousos, the Russians, uh, uh,

11:14 led by El Russo, who I believe just got captured.

11:17 I think he was the boss of of a an armed group,

11:23 an arm, uh, they just call it like a security.

11:26 They're they're basically teams of contractors.

11:29 Yeah.

11:30 They're they're teams of mercenaries in these different regions who are

11:35 aligned with one of the two factions that are based in Kulakan.

11:40 Chapis or Maisa and they're but they're okay.

11:43 I'm in Mexalei or I'm in Tijuana or I'm

11:45 in Ngales and they have teams of cicadios gunmen.

11:52 They have they're the guys who run this the stash houses.

11:56 They're the they they have the teams of lookouts to see,

12:00 you know, because information is everything.

12:02 So when you go to a place like Nogales,

12:05 um one of the first if you're like say a 14-year-old kid, right?

12:11 The first and you want to get involved in the organization,

12:14 the very first duty that you're going to have is you're going to be an alone,

12:19 a falcon, a lookout, a pun punter, right?

12:22 You're going to you're going to be watching

12:24 for vehicles coming in with uh license plates from states

12:28 that you don't recognize from Cenoloa and you're going

12:30 to get on the get on the walkie-talkie and relay information.

12:34 Um they're the ones that patrol safe houses, right?

12:39 a lot of where where the kilos get stashed, packaged,

12:43 and then given to another lieutenant who gives it

12:47 to his mules that are going to cross the border, right?

12:50 And then you have puntoas point uh sales

12:53 points because they sell a lot of drugs internally.

12:56 So yeah, it's it's they they keep everything even though everybody Yes.

13:01 has an affiliation to the higher groups.

13:05 It's all of the operations are made

13:07 up of subgroups that have their own autonomy.

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14:00 What's interesting you the way you mentioned it how

14:03 they have kind of lookouts in the way that works.

14:06 It's almost exactly the same on the American side when you're working.

14:10 So me working on a special operations team trying to disrupt the cartel.

14:16 We identify these guys and they they identify and call

14:19 out our vehicles immediately and we we get our vehicles

14:22 burned within man our vehicles are burned and then

14:26 we can't even get to an OP without being identified.

14:29 And so there's moments where we know there's going

14:31 to be a drug load coming across or a boat man.

14:34 There's a bunch of different ones depending on what part of the border.

14:36 And by the time we're moving towards the border and trying to get in position,

14:40 we've already been burned and people will just show up to us.

14:43 They'll just show up, drive up and be like,

14:44 "Hey, what's up guys?" And you're like, "Oh shit." And we noticed from older

14:48 people sitting on the porches to younger kids,

14:52 everyone's kind of taking pictures.

14:53 Everyone's trying to start texting.

14:54 And we notice it, right?

14:55 You see people like getting real active on their phone

14:57 as soon as we drive by because we're a vehicle.

14:59 They haven't identified.

15:01 They know the familiar vehicles that are in the area.

15:03 When they see a vehicle that looks like a federal vehicle,

15:06 they call it out and boom, we're burned.

15:08 So we had to think of other means of insertion like

15:13 immediately or else every op that we planned would be burned.

15:17 It's crazy.

15:18 Yeah.

15:18 So the same thing happens on that side is on this side

15:21 especially in well on that side cars literally get burned but um

15:26 yeah it's especially in those small towns like Klexico and you know like

15:31 everybody knows everybody everybody sees everybody.

15:34 A lot of the local cops, even on this side,

15:36 are, you know, getting paid for info.

15:39 Yep.

15:39 Yeah, we've seen it all.

15:40 We've seen constiples load up and everything.

15:41 It's it's a it's a crazy world out there.

15:43 From what you've seen, is there one side or either faction that kind

15:47 of is winning has more of the advantage right now?

15:50 And why would that be?

15:51 Oh man, every single time I do an interview with a guy from CLO,

15:56 I try to figure that out.

15:57 I try to ask who's winning, who's not.

16:00 I mean, I want to say that the Misa were winning at the beginning because

16:11 they have better financing because Mayo was alive

16:17 or or active for longer than Chapo was.

16:20 And and you know, his drug routes are legendary.

16:23 I mean, they go back to the he's got ties that go back to the 70s in LA.

16:28 So the guy had so many different so many

16:32 different smuggling routes from Colombia uh to Europe to Canada.

16:39 So I think they were maybe a little better financed.

16:43 Then the CJNG about a year and a half ago made the alliance with the Chapisa.

16:50 And then so I said, "Oh, okay.

16:52 Well, they're the strongest cartel in Mexico by far."

16:56 So now that they're aligned with the Chapisa,

16:58 I think that's going to give him an advantage at least in the short term.

17:02 Um, of course that would have they would have betrayed him, right?

17:05 They would have taken over Cenaoa.

17:07 That's the CJNG trying to move in on Cena

17:10 by by partnering with the group that's losing.

17:14 Now that Mencho's gone, um, I think I don't know.

17:20 It's a good question.

17:21 It's up in the air.

17:21 I I I think we have yet to see how that's going to affect that alliance.

17:27 Um I talked to a hitman who used to work

17:32 for the Misa on the show a couple of years ago.

17:35 The war had already started.

17:38 He said something interesting.

17:39 He said the Maisa have better morals.

17:44 They have there are more there are more uh which I believe.

17:47 I I I do think people that have uh a better corporate culture,

17:52 if you will, a better Yeah.

17:55 better uh values probably in the long run are going to win.

18:02 So just like in guerrilla warfare, right?

18:05 Like the Vietnamese took so many losses,

18:07 but their cause against the United States

18:10 was just they're fighting off an invader, so ultimately they're going to win.

18:15 Um but yeah, you know what does that even look like, right?

18:20 Like uh if drug routes are always operating on both sides no matter what,

18:29 you know, who knows who knows who emerges victorious.

18:33 I mean, it's it'll end up in a stalemate, but the Chapos are not going away.

18:37 They still have they still have at least two or three sons,

18:42 Ivon Archie Valdo and another guy whose name escapes

18:45 me because these guys have had so many kids,

18:48 but they they have at least two sons and then cousins who could

18:52 take up and be the figureheads if one of their brothers got arrested.

18:57 Um, and then the Mayos, same thing.

18:59 So, uh, the miles aren't going away either.

19:02 So, I I don't know.

19:04 I don't know, man.

19:05 I don't know.

19:06 This this[ __] could go on.

19:07 It's already been going on for 2 years.

19:09 Almost 2 years.

19:10 It could just No signs of stopping really.

19:14 It's[ __] crazy.

19:16 Yeah.

19:16 I've seen some footage that's going on out there and it's just it's wild,

19:19 man, to see, you know, some of the I I would guess the shootouts,

19:24 the you know, the the fight that's happening, you know.

19:27 Um, what I think, you know, my next question,

19:30 I guess, would be we're targeting some of these high-profile individuals.

19:35 And I'm curious if you think who would be

19:37 the next target and most importantly for America's sake.

19:40 Uh, you got Ivonne and then you got Mito.

19:43 Out of those two, who would be the best target

19:46 for us in the in the fact to hopefully dismantle,

19:49 disrupt, I don't if that even is a thing.

19:51 You know what I mean?

19:52 In the cartels, like you said, the next person just steps up.

19:55 But who do you believe is probably going to be one of the next targets?

19:58 Definitely Ivonne.

20:00 Ivon Archaldo for the Chapisa.

20:02 He uh he's now become like that mythic Mencho guy where he's got tunnels built

20:09 into the mountains of of you know Durango

20:12 Chihuahua the golden triangle where he moves around.

20:15 He's got like that Osama bin Laden.

20:18 He's building that mystique up.

20:19 You know, he's been on the run now for so long.

20:23 They almost caught him a few years ago in Kuliaakan.

20:27 They did a raid and he escaped like

20:28 his father in the I think they're like the not

20:32 the sewage but like the the aqueduct thing

20:35 that runs under the city for the rain fall off.

20:38 Yeah.

20:38 Like a wash, you know.

20:40 Yeah, exactly.

20:40 Um and so clearly they were tapped

20:43 into like the city utilities and[ __] like that.

20:46 Um, so I think, you know, he's got a 10 $10 million bounty on his head.

20:50 So I think just as a figurehead for the United States government,

20:53 I think he's the guy and, you know, anything to do with Chapo is like headlines.

20:58 Yeah.

20:58 So I I I think he's probably like a big target they would like to get.

21:02 Um, it'll be interesting to see who takes Mencho's place.

21:08 I keep seeing on social media a lot of talk about uh Dolier Doer

21:16 or is it um you can you could pop him you can look him up.

21:20 He's he's El Pelon they call him.

21:23 Yeah.

21:23 From one of my reports here it

21:24 says that Juan Carlos Valencia Gonzalez Eleno's stepson.

21:29 One of his nicknames is El Pelon because he's got

21:31 a great hairline and he's he was born in Santa Ana, California.

21:36 He's an American citizen.

21:38 Yes, dude.

21:39 That's that's so that's exactly where I was going to get

21:41 to is that is like a lot of talk right now.

21:45 And what is interesting about that is that he's an American citizen.

21:49 And I'm very curious to what kind of what kind

21:52 of impacts will that make with United States with Mexico

21:55 and and what are your thoughts on that from what

21:57 you're hearing around you know your group of people?

21:59 I mean, it makes him ideal as a boss

22:03 because it means he he's already connected in the US.

22:08 Like, he's already got I mean,

22:11 not only does he probably have kids that live in the US,

22:14 Mencho has kids that live in the US,

22:16 he had a a brother-in-law that was basically

22:20 running moneyaundering operations for him in Riverside, California.

22:23 Uh so so that means he's got access,

22:27 you know, it just it makes everything easier.

22:29 It makes every they can manage the businesses here,

22:32 the safe houses, uh the moving of money, weapons back to Mexico.

22:37 Um and I think they do a lot of that intentionally to be honest with you.

22:40 I think um I think people have kids over here more or less suspecting

22:48 that at least a few of them will

22:49 go back to Mexico and and continue the business.

22:53 Yeah.

22:53 I've never So, like from all the years

22:55 of interviewing people that talk about the cartels,

22:58 I was always told that, you know, the cartels,

23:00 the higherups are always going to be Mexican citizens.

23:03 And I think that's kind of evolving to now

23:05 that you've had so many years of people becoming American citizens,

23:09 the family's kind of all over the place that it makes sense to start

23:13 integrating someone who is an American

23:14 citizen that still connects to the family.

23:17 What I what I what I imagine as someone like I said,

23:21 you know, I'm I'm an American in special operations, military, all these things.

23:24 And I and I think of someone who's an American citizen,

23:27 there's so many ways of finding their digital footprint and information.

23:32 I feel like it'd almost be easier to find an individual like

23:34 that because there's so much information

23:36 on them as them being an American citizen.

23:38 Do you think that would be the same or or they just have the same ability

23:41 and the money just to be able to escape and kind of go and detect it?

23:44 Well, they won't be living in the United States.

23:47 Oh, absolutely.

23:47 Like you're right.

23:48 It would be much easier to to find them if they were in the United States.

23:51 But, uh, the advantage is they can start working

23:55 young going back and forth across the border.

23:58 Like for instance, one of the guys that I we talked to, El Diablo,

24:02 uh he grew he has an American passport.

24:05 He was born in Los Angeles but grew up in Mexalei.

24:09 His parents were in the weed business.

24:11 They worked with Mayo in the early days in the 70s.

24:14 So he was from a teenager.

24:17 He was driving loads of weed across the border, heroin.

24:22 And it's just easier because you have an American passport.

24:24 It's just the smuggling is easier, right?

24:26 you look less conspicuous.

24:29 So maybe they start off doing that and then they just meet tons of people.

24:33 The access is is just so much greater when you have an American passport.

24:38 So you meet distributors in Los Angeles, in Phoenix,

24:43 you meet people that can sell you their house to use

24:48 it as the end of a a drug tunnel, right?

24:52 H you can set up shell companies having people buy real estate, right?

24:55 you know, it's it's about it's about making cells.

24:59 Everything is a cell and a node in a bigger game.

25:02 Uh, so I think that's and when you're born in America, you speak more English.

25:06 You're more westernized.

25:07 You kind of think in a it's going to be racist,

25:10 but a little a little less primitive way.

25:12 You know, these old school Mexican guys, right?

25:15 Like it's the culture is a lot it's not as international as, you know,

25:20 one of their children that did grow up in Los Angeles, you know?

25:24 It just kind of gives you because it is a global economy now.

25:27 It just gives you kind of a more global outlook.

25:31 Yeah.

25:32 Well, what I find interesting is that the Americans

25:34 have an ability to get intel on individuals.

25:38 They can find anyone at any time.

25:39 I mean, you know, for the most part,

25:43 it almost feels like we're spacing out

25:46 these these these captures or these these, you know,

25:50 targeted hits on people for whether it be

25:53 on the Mexican side just to kind of space it out.

25:56 But I don't know why America just doesn't go and like pick them all off.

26:00 Now, I'm not saying like that's what they need to do,

26:01 but I'm saying if their goal is to kind of disrupt to destroy the cartels,

26:06 I don't think they're too far off from getting

26:08 information on every single one of these top guys,

26:09 going ahead and taking them out.

26:11 Why do you think America's not doing that?

26:13 Let me ask you this before I try to answer that.

26:15 Do you think that they could locate a guy

26:18 in in the most remote mountainous region of Caloa?

26:22 Like, could they locate, if they wanted to, Ivan Archie Valdo?

26:25 I

26:26 I don't know.

26:26 You know, it's it really comes down to, like I said,

26:28 the digital footprint and and kind of like same as El Mento,

26:31 he was hard to find for a long time and they found him pretty it

26:34 seems like they found him right when they

26:35 needed to or when they wanted to, right?

26:36 Almost like a timing thing.

26:37 It made sense to get him at this moment.

26:39 And so, knowing how intel works, knowing how the CIA is,

26:42 knowing how everything goes with information,

26:45 uh I don't I don't know if the cartel has enough ability to hide them that well.

26:51 I almost feel like we can get anyone at any point and just

26:54 choose not to like like it's almost like a strategy behind it.

26:57 Yeah, I see what you're saying.

26:58 I mean the the since Trump took office,

27:03 we know that there's planes taking pictures,

27:06 satellite planes, circling these regions, taking photos, right?

27:10 Gathering intel like that.

27:12 I think in the case of Meno, he had the police and the military so paid

27:18 off that I he was hiding in plain sight.

27:22 Got it.

27:23 So I He was slipping in a way, you know,

27:26 like that's when when you hear when you hear their communications Yeah.

27:29 Exactly.

27:30 When you hear their communications on the radio,

27:32 when they realize they're being ambushed, they're like, "Fuck, they betrayed us.

27:36 They betrayed us because we paid them all this money and they couldn't even

27:39 believe it." They're like they're breaking the they're

27:41 breaking the agreement we had, you know.

27:43 So, um I think that a guy like,

27:48 you know, Ivonne or whoever is the takes Meno's place,

27:52 I think they're not going to um ball for that anymore.

27:55 At least while Trump's in office, you know,

27:57 at least maybe until the politics change.

27:59 Uh I think they're just going to stay out of sight.

28:01 So, if they can't be captured by satellite,

28:04 I think it's a lot harder to get intel on them.

28:08 I think that's the main way that they got Mencho is they're like, "Okay,

28:12 we know that he's h he's staying uh at these like

28:18 this on this golf course basically where other wealthy Mexicans,

28:23 not cartel affiliated,

28:24 go to spend their weekends and we need we they followed, you know,

28:30 a handful of people, one of them being his girlfriend,

28:34 that would come up to the ranch to visit him.

28:37 And then when he stepped uh outside,

28:42 he normally was good at staying underneath rooftops,

28:45 but this this woman for whatever reason

28:49 got him either intentionally or no to basically

28:53 expose his his body to open air and they got they got a picture of it.

28:58 Uh and that's how they got confirmation.

29:00 So, um, but yeah, you know, look, more or less,

29:03 yeah, the CIA can find almost anybody within reason.

29:06 Anybody that's operating,

29:08 anybody that's operating in any kind of urban area at all.

29:16 Yeah.

29:16 That's exposed.

29:16 Yeah, you're right.

29:17 they can find.

29:18 The reason they don't is because, you know, I mean, a we know that the CIA,

29:23 you know, from the beginning, uh,

29:26 has has assisted, facilitated drug trafficking, right?

29:33 So, I I think part of it sin, you know,

29:36 sinisterly is that they just don't want the war to end.

29:40 You know, you don't want to knock your business off.

29:43 That's the weirdest thing about the CIA that like, you know,

29:46 you're raised to believe in America that CIA

29:47 does all these great things to protect the nation.

29:49 Then you start hearing all these stories and like maybe they still are, right?

29:52 Yeah.

29:52 And and yeah, they are okay.

29:54 But at the same time, like the collateral of some of the approaches

29:57 they make have assisted in helping cartels become stronger.

30:01 And so it's a really odd kind of space.

30:04 And that's why I feel like it's intentional how they're doing it.

30:07 there's a strategy behind and they're spacing it out

30:10 in a way that they know like like you said,

30:12 take out the top dogs, does it change anything?

30:14 Not much.

30:15 You know what I mean?

30:15 And so I don't know if we continue to target these top guys,

30:19 all the big names we've just mentioned,

30:21 if it affects anything with the drug trade.

30:23 I mean, you could, if you wanted to start, you know, uh,

30:30 real real regional war, America could just start drone striking these people.

30:36 But if you're at least for the time being going

30:38 to respect Mexican sovereignty and try to work with them,

30:42 you do rely on the Mexican government after they're given the information

30:46 about the location of these targets to then go and make the arrest.

30:51 And that's the biggest impediment because by the time they get there,

30:57 you know, half of them are already paid off.

30:59 Yeah.

30:59 Right.

30:59 And by the time they get there, you know,

31:01 they're met with the the military's met by gunfire

31:04 from the state police and the federal police.

31:10 Yeah.

31:10 You know, we had one of our partners, uh, Katarina,

31:13 she went down there to the location of where Elemential was killed and just

31:17 from viewing her videos and watching and seeing like it was almost odd, right?

31:22 There was Did you see any of her video at all?

31:24 There was some shell casings there, but very little damage to the home.

31:27 It It was odd.

31:29 It was an odd kind of like I'm I've been in combat.

31:31 I've seen exactly what houses have when you shoot them up, right?

31:34 So I was like, "Whoa,

31:34 this is real weird." And like what did you think about it, man?

31:38 Because it almost felt like

31:41 I don't know, man.

31:42 I I can't say like I said,

31:44 there was talks of it being being um almost like fake.

31:47 There was talks of it being like

31:49 Yeah.

31:49 staged.

31:50 And so it just seemed like a very odd setup.

31:53 Like the scene was just weird to me.

31:55 Yeah.

31:56 So they say that he was in handcuffs.

31:58 He he'd given up and that's when they shot him.

32:03 Damn.

32:03 They also said they killed him on the helicopter on the way to Mexico City.

32:08 Yeah, I heard that as well.

32:08 So yeah.

32:09 So you would just you would And another thing that was super sketchy is that

32:13 and Ed was telling me cuz Ed used to be a federal copies.

32:19 Yeah.

32:19 So, they raided a lot of houses in Tijana.

32:22 And when those cops go in, they steal everything.

32:26 They're knocking out the walls trying to find money, trying to find drugs.

32:29 Oh, this guy's got a bunch of gold.

32:31 Take it.

32:32 That house was untouched.

32:36 Like, why wouldn't you go in and try to get a year's salary?

32:39 Just go, I found some cash in a drawer.

32:41 You know, it was untouched.

32:43 So, it really looked like they were there

32:45 to just it was a it was an execution team.

32:48 just quickly boom boom we're out.

32:50 Yeah, there were some thoughts that you

32:52 know Claudia Shinbomb was afraid of, you know,

32:55 him being alive because there might be connections

32:58 to her and we already know there's something there, right?

33:01 There's something a connection.

33:02 You don't become a president without some kind of stronghold of some sort.

33:07 Is there still you believe the same thing

33:09 that that Claudia Sham is somehow connected in this as well?

33:12 And maybe it's inevitable you have to be in that country right now

33:15 with the way things are politically and with the cartels being so strong.

33:19 Yeah.

33:19 I think, you know, I'm not an expert

33:21 on the Mexican lobby and the Mexican political process.

33:24 I think nowadays it's probably less overt than it was in the old days.

33:28 Like it's Cloudy Shine's party, the Marina party,

33:33 and they've got, you know, handlers and fixers that have deniability.

33:38 They're the ones that are, you know, doing the deals with the cartels.

33:42 Uh, I'm certain she's never taken a briefcase full of money.

33:46 You know, you can probably say that with with a high degree of certainty,

33:50 but uh I'm not sure that she was even aware that this raid was going to go down.

33:56 Same with Harooge.

33:57 That's why they were so surprised uh because

34:00 the generals are the ones who run that country.

34:03 It's not the politicians.

34:05 So, you know, they let Claudia Sham bomb know after the fact.

34:09 like you could tell that the government was taken by surprise.

34:12 That's why, you know, it was just because it was so poorly planned.

34:15 You're like, you know,

34:18 it was just scrambling and chaos within the different branches of government.

34:21 They had no idea this was going to happen.

34:24 So, it's the generals are the ones who control the country.

34:26 They're the ones who take the highest level bribes

34:30 that that allow for all of the the watch coal,

34:33 the stolen fuel that leaves the country,

34:36 you know, you know, ports and things like that.

34:38 nothing that[ __] can't happen without the cooperation

34:41 at a very high level of of the government.

34:44 So, uh I don't think Shane Bomb even knew this was going to go down,

34:48 you know, but obviously her Yeah,

34:49 of course her party is is involved uh have been

34:53 taking money from the Caloa cartel for a long time now,

34:57 you know, could be the Haliscoco cartel, too, but it's uh it's the generals.

35:02 They're the ones who have the most intimate ties with the kingpins

35:07 and therefore the most to lose if these guys get arrested and start talking.

35:13 Yeah.

35:13 When Alena was killed,

35:14 there was just so many Americans that were posting

35:16 and they were scared for their life and and whatnot.

35:18 And I kind of laughed at that only because I I feel

35:22 confident enough to know how things go over there in the sense where,

35:25 you know, the tourists are really the money.

35:27 So there there's a little bit of a almost a pack to to not affect tourism.

35:32 Uh but at the same time when you say

35:34 that the the war with the you know the chapitos

35:37 is coming closer to America is there ever

35:40 a fear that you believe it's spilling over into America?

35:44 No.

35:44 No.

35:45 Uh I mean I think I think that there is

35:49 there are kidnappings that happen uh of Americans usually Mexican-Americans.

35:56 Uh, I've heard this is a big story.

35:58 It should be a bigger story.

36:00 Uh, there's Mexican-Americans who go down to Mexico to visit,

36:06 you know, Tijana, Kol Lima, these places,

36:10 and they actually get kidnapped and either murdered or forced

36:15 to become drug mules or or lookouts in the cartel.

36:19 That does happen.

36:20 That does happen.

36:21 And I in fact it it's the the disappearing the disappearing person's crisis,

36:28 the missing person's crisis is the biggest but least

36:31 talked about new story coming out of Mexico.

36:35 And you know, hundreds and hundreds of thousands

36:38 of people have gone missing over the last 10 years.

36:41 Uh and they're buried in these clandestine graves and throughout,

36:46 you know, Halisco, Baja California.

36:49 Uh, but no, no, the war won't ever spill over the border.

36:54 Over the border, not in any significant way.

36:56 No, the cartels are too rational and they're too decentralized.

37:00 Like, it's just it's again, it's all about these drug trafficking cells.

37:04 They're the ones who take over after it gets through, you know?

37:09 Yeah.

37:09 anytime there's been an incident on the border

37:13 where there's a weapon involved and maybe a shooting,

37:16 you eventually go to find like one,

37:18 we pick up our security and make it harder for for the cartel to do their part.

37:22 Uh but at the other side of it,

37:24 it's always the cartel that somehow gets the message across like, you know,

37:27 that wasn't sanctioned essentially and it was just

37:30 one individual who kind of, you know,[ __]

37:32 stepped outside of what he was supposed to do and he just shot a you know,

37:36 shot an agent, whatever the case, right?

37:37 and you realize like, man, this is it's crazy when the cartel's like, "Ah,

37:41 that's not us." That that you know what I mean?

37:42 When you hear that kind of Yeah.

37:44 It's like, "We don't want any beef with you guys.

37:46 We're just here to do business and that guy's already dead,

37:49 so don't worry about it." Yeah.

37:51 I was always amazed by that.

37:52 You know, there was those tourists that went

37:53 down to Mexico and they got shot up accidentally.

37:56 And then a couple days later, like the cartel killed like six like,

37:59 "These were the ones who did it.

38:00 Sorry about that." kind of thing.

38:01 You're like, "Oh shit." Right.

38:03 Well, those I believe those guys were down there to do a Coke deal.

38:07 You're talking about the ones Yeah.

38:09 in Matamoros.

38:10 The black the black people from Houston or something.

38:14 Yeah.

38:14 Well, originally the report was that they were going to do plastic surgery.

38:19 Yeah.

38:19 Yeah.

38:19 Like why a bunch of like middle-aged black guys are going for plastic surgery?

38:24 Nah.

38:25 Like these aren't young chicks going to get tits, you know?

38:28 like this is I always thought that was sketchy and now it

38:31 comes out that they were there to try to like meet a connect.

38:35 Uh so I mean I'm sure the cartel

38:39 apologized cuz they still weren't supposed to get killed.

38:42 Uh but yeah, those guys were down to do some dirt.

38:45 And then you also see that too like uh big- time big- time traffickers,

38:51 foreign traffickers uh like that guy Ryan Wedding they arrested,

38:55 the Canadian guy who who was working for years out of Mexico City.

39:00 That's kind of a phenomena, a recent phenomena.

39:03 uh you have foreigners who set up shop in Mexico, usually Mexico City,

39:10 and they align with an organization

39:13 and they're they're protected and they basically

39:15 use Mexico as a hub to then export to their country of origin.

39:19 Right?

39:20 So there was a Caloa trafficking associate

39:26 who's from the Netherlands and he got killed.

39:29 He got assassinated in Mexico City.

39:32 So there foreigners will get touched if they get out of line, you know.

39:37 Um but it's very targeted and it's very it's very

39:40 low-key and it's it's only for a very very good reason.

39:45 Yeah, there's a lot going on down there and it's

39:47 interesting to kind of see how America's handling it.

39:49 Like do you think there's ever going to be

39:50 an impact that is successful in stopping drug trade uh

39:54 in America if you know is there anything that we

39:58 can do that actually slows down or stops it?

40:00 I don't think so.

40:01 I don't think so.

40:02 Not short of like tearing up the Constitution.

40:06 You know, you see people in the comments of my videos, they're like,

40:10 "Just execute on site everybody that's caught selling drugs." I'm like, "Oh.

40:15 Oh, yeah.

40:16 You think it would just stop at them,

40:17 you[ __] idiot." Like, like people are such slaves.

40:22 They want the government to just be in every part of their lives.

40:27 You losers.

40:29 you losers.

40:32 Like, why don't we ask ourselves, why is everybody a[ __] junkie?

40:35 Why are you doing fentanyl in the first place?

40:40 Yeah.

40:39 Like, it it it's it just goes to show you it's really like uh

40:43 our culture and our society is just unraveling

40:47 and we have nobody to blame but ourselves.

40:51 Yeah.

40:52 Nobody.

40:52 I I mean look look you can blame the SCOP that is neoliberalism and and you know

40:59 the financial we we do we can blame people

41:01 right we we can blame the deep state that's controlled

41:06 our president since Kennedy got whacked we can blame

41:10 the bank of London that that controls all of the financial

41:14 institutions that's have been stripping our country of jobs

41:18 and assets and diluting the value of our currency.

41:21 We could blame these people,

41:22 but like on an individual level, take some responsibility.

41:27 You have access to the internet just like I do.

41:30 Do some research.

41:31 Figure out what's going on.

41:32 Don't become a victim.

41:35 Don't do drugs.

41:37 You know what I mean?

41:40 Yeah.

41:39 Like we you have the way you fight back is by educating yourself, you know?

41:46 Yeah.

41:45 The cartels are the creation of the CIA, you know.

41:49 They're the creation of much higher, much more sinister forces.

41:54 So, anyways, but people aren't going to figure it out.

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44:14 So during the invite administration,

44:16 obviously we had massive immigration issues, right?

44:18 And currently right now we have a war in Iran.

44:21 You've heard people talking about sleeper sales.

44:23 I know when I was on the border, seeing every different country coming through,

44:28 ditching their passports and and and getting into America,

44:32 is that a concern for you?

44:33 Have you have you talked to some people in Mexico,

44:35 some of these cartels that are allowing these these highv valued

44:39 exotic uh countries come in and and why is Mexico allowing that?

44:43 Like cuz I know for a fact they're still supporting it in some way, right?

44:47 Why is that something that the cartel would support

44:49 in the in the efforts that it could potentially,

44:52 you know, cause real havoc in America and slow

44:55 down potential drug purchasing if you start killing Americans?

44:59 Yeah.

45:00 Well, uh, they have caught people at the border crossing crossing

45:06 through that have that have been on the terrorist watch list,

45:09 but nobody's ever, you know, nobody's ever attempted anything.

45:14 There's there's really no evidence that like a Hezbollah shell has

45:18 been trafficked through to like commit a terrorist act on American soil.

45:23 Um, of course it's possible.

45:25 I I I think the the exotic immigrants,

45:29 you know, the the Pakistanis, the Chinese,

45:32 uh the cartel just smuggles them over because they have

45:35 more money and they want to get into the US,

45:38 you know, uh now if you have 50,000 American dollars,

45:41 I don't know why you need to be smuggled overland into the US,

45:46 but you know, uh people still want to get here from China.

45:50 Um possibly they're Chinese spies, right?

45:54 like perhaps that the the CCP is setting them.

45:57 I don't think it's for terrorism though.

45:58 I think it's for I think the Chinese think a lot

46:01 more longterm and strategic than like setting off a bomb.

46:08 Yeah.

46:06 In New York City or something like that.

46:10 uh you know, as far as the immigrants being smuggled in.

46:13 Now, uh it's obviously that's one of the best and only promises that the Trump

46:20 administration has made good on is they've really

46:23 like cut down on crossings by like 90%.

46:27 Now, they're they're ticking back up a little bit for sure.

46:30 Uh but it's it's not a wholesale cartel we're

46:35 going to move thousands of bodies a day across.

46:37 It's back to the way it used to be,

46:38 which is like localized people at the border,

46:42 pouyetto they call them, smugglers who are not part of the cartel,

46:47 but they again, just like the drug traffickers,

46:50 they they pay a percentage to them for their services,

46:53 you know, lookouts, um, people that can assist them with their crossings.

46:59 But it's like again, it's ones and twos, right?

47:02 Yeah.

47:02 We're going to move strategically move two people across the line this way.

47:06 This way, this way.

47:07 You know, it was crazy.

47:08 During the Biden administration,

47:10 I was working with the Border Patrol and they were not allowed

47:13 to post on social media and highlight

47:17 anyone that was a highvalued terrorist background.

47:21 Like anyone that they captured, they weren't allowed to publicly mention that.

47:23 And it was a weird time because border traders were confused like,

47:26 well, why can't I say that?

47:27 Why can't we show the nation of these apprehensions?

47:30 It was just odd.

47:31 And during that time as well,

47:33 most people who were getting smoked across was probably

47:35 around 5,000 to 7,000 is what it was costing.

47:38 Today's rate right now is somewhere around 25k

47:40 going all the way up to 50k for exotics,

47:43 which is is crazy because that's how much the borders tightened up.

47:46 And it hasn't it wasn't that the border patrol has changed their techniques.

47:51 It's just what is allowed to happen, right?

47:53 people are now getting deported instead of giving NTAs, which has been

47:58 just the wildest thing to see from one one side of, you know,

48:01 an administration to another and like how easy it is to stop illegal

48:06 immigration or at least slow it down, per se.

48:08 Yeah.

48:08 Uh and and I still am confused

48:11 on why the B administration was taking that approach.

48:14 Look, you know, again, this could be the work of the the deep state,

48:20 you know, that that they have people in NOS's and uh you know,

48:26 different organizations that are that are intentionally bringing in hundreds,

48:32 millions of people uh to for for many different reasons.

48:36 I mean, one could be for labor, right?

48:39 Like you see Trump immediately flipped after he tried

48:44 to do mass deportations cuz his homies who pay him money,

48:49 who who propped his campaign up,

48:51 the guys that own hotels are like, "Bro, what are you doing?

48:53 You're you're[ __] kidnapping my workers.

48:56 Back off.

48:56 I gave you two million bucks." You know,

48:59 uh all the way to, you know, uh uh flipping voting districts.

49:05 I think that that's possible.

49:07 um to just general, you know, it could be something as sinister,

49:13 if I'm being very pessimistic, as you know,

49:16 changing just just just causing general chaos in the United States

49:22 that can lead eventually long term to to a surveillance state.

49:27 Yeah.

49:27 And and just push us towards a civil war the way

49:29 you already see kind of happening in Europe in a way.

49:32 Like Europe's like really on the brink.

49:34 So, I think there there could be something to that, too.

49:36 I I don't put it I don't put it past these goblins

49:39 that uh that that want to turn us all into you

49:43 know just consumer slaves uh that are surveiled at all times

49:51 by AI like you know what we saw during the pandemic right

49:54 like I think I think the masters of mankind would like

49:57 to see that happening just in in perpetuity so I I think

50:02 you know I think that's it's kind of could be a mixture

50:05 of all that stuff was the reason that that crazy policy,

50:09 that amnesty policy was happening under Biden.

50:12 But that was not good.

50:13 Yeah, that that was a crazy time, man.

50:15 You were talking about the cocaine,

50:16 but I also know that there's a big influx also of methamphetamines,

50:20 you know, meth in in its own.

50:22 Um, that's huge.

50:23 Huge.

50:24 What's going on with that?

50:25 Why why did they transition to that?

50:26 I know fentanyl obviously causes a lot of issues,

50:28 but how come cocaine is so cheap right now?

50:30 And how come methamphetamine is just has a huge uptick?

50:33 Well, the meth never went anywhere.

50:35 Fentinyl just got all the headlines, but they're two different drugs.

50:39 They're two different um drug bases, right?

50:42 One is an opioid, one is a stimulant.

50:45 So, uh they're both workingass stimulants or both workingass substances,

50:49 but the meth is just great for uh the working class, right?

50:55 And it and the the demographic groups and you know,

50:58 truck drivers to hospital workers.

51:01 Um, you know, I know Coke is cheap, but like good Coke is probably still 80,

51:07 100 bucks a gram, you know, in a city.

51:09 I live in Austin, so maybe a good meth is like[ __] I don't even know,

51:14 30 bucks or something like that.

51:16 So, a pound of meth went from like $2,000 15, 20 years ago to like $400 now.

51:27 So the volume again is just enormous.

51:31 Just like thousands of pounds a day just bam bam bam wholesale,

51:36 you know, the the cartel de the noreste uh the CJNG,

51:42 the the you know these big players,

51:44 the the golf cartel cartel deo uh big time on the Texas border.

51:50 like those guys are just like it's it's like just big industry,

51:55 you know, like why not, you know?

51:57 There's so many big people uh that are connected, you know,

52:02 uh if you own factories and you're a legitimate businessman living in Nova Ledo,

52:09 uh you could become a trafficker really easily.

52:11 Somebody comes to you and he says, "Hey,

52:12 I I have a ton of meth that I want to move.

52:16 I I cooked it up in Mwakan.

52:17 Mutual is another huge re region for that because they're

52:21 they have such mountainous areas in the Tiara Caliente region.

52:25 That's one of the biggest industries there.

52:27 It's very very difficult to penetrate.

52:29 And so, you know, I come to you and I say, "Hey, dude.

52:32 I'll I just need to use your warehouses and your trucks.

52:36 I'll split it with you." Or you go in on it with me.

52:38 It's like an investment in a real estate deal.

52:40 And it's And you know, you know, Mexicans,

52:44 most people are going to go for that[ __] you know who's it's corrupted.

52:48 It's very corrupting.

52:49 Even like good Mexicans will say, "Yeah, let's just do it.

52:51 Why not?

52:52 All the poison is going over there." So, yeah.

52:55 Well, it's an interesting thing with some people

52:56 are just taking it as a business and it's

52:58 not even it's not even the thought of what what's what's the outcome of it is.

53:02 It's just, hey, on my side of it, it's not illegal.

53:04 I'm just assisting in transport, right?

53:06 I'm just assisting in storage or whatever the case.

53:09 And so, well, it's definitely illegal.

53:11 Yeah.

53:12 But but they look at it as like it's happening.

53:16 This is so established.

53:18 It's going to make it through.

53:20 Why don't we I have this opportunity.

53:22 Why don't I just do it?

53:23 It's it's just an ex I can make a million dollars off this load.

53:26 Who's producing the cocaine?

53:27 Where's the most of that coming from?

53:29 Still still coming from Colombia.

53:31 You know, Kali is a big re uh that the viade ka is

53:36 one of the biggest regions and and south south of the viade ka.

53:41 Um, and in the mountainous regions, uh,

53:44 kind of in like the the southeast section, uh,

53:48 Colombia is is going through one of those things

53:53 like Mexico where the cities are really nice now.

53:56 There's a lot of tourists, a lot of expats moving there.

53:58 You know, everybody's going to Medigene.

54:00 Medigene looks like looks like[ __] Chicago now.

54:04 It's so nice.

54:05 and and uh but in the in the countryside

54:09 where nobody sees and the news never goes,

54:11 bro, like guerilla warfare, like it's the 1970s.

54:17 __] kids are getting kidnapped.

54:18 Uh land owners are being run off their land by geras, armed groups.

54:25 They'll just show up at their hosianda and they'll have a bunch of 17-year-old

54:28 kids with[ __] AKs sitting in their living room and they'll be like,

54:31 "Okay, well, I guess this is your house now." government does nothing.

54:35 They're they're sending so much blow out of that country.

54:39 That's why you see the prices[ __] kilos in in in Europe

54:44 now are like for a big-time drug trafficking clans,

54:49 they can get them for like less than 20 where they used to go for like 3540.

54:54 So yeah, no, Colombia is moving moving the most.

54:57 And uh you know again it's it's it's Mexicans from Cinoaoa the CJNG

55:03 they they have they send guys down to the labs in Colombia.

55:09 A lot of times they even invest.

55:11 They say okay you own the the cocoa growing land too.

55:14 I'm going to give you a couple million bucks for this year's harvest but I

55:19 want to own all of it because the coke comes from the cocoa leaf.

55:23 Not all harvests are the same.

55:26 some cocoa leaf that gets grown is weaker.

55:27 It's just a bad harvest.

55:28 There's not enough rain or whatever.

55:30 It doesn't come out as good.

55:31 So, they they send emissaries down there from Mexico

55:36 to make sure that they get the bomb, you know.

55:40 Yeah.

55:39 Uh and so they're very very they're tied at the hip, dude.

55:43 Yeah.

55:43 They're the ones, you know, they send the submarines out,

55:46 the the coke submarines.

55:48 They land shockingly on the coast of Mexico, right?

55:52 uh goes through the port of of Manzano and Kol Lima.

55:55 So yeah, I mean Colombia and Mexico,

55:57 Colombia is sending up mercenary fighters to go fight in the cartels in Mexico.

56:05 Wow.

56:04 That's a huge thing now.

56:06 Yeah.

56:06 So th those guys are like tied at the hip.

56:09 Yeah, they're very close.

56:11 Damn.

56:12 That's all the questions I have, man.

56:14 It's just crazy what's going on and and I really appreciate it, man.

56:17 Is there anything you want to say to the audience?

56:19 And again, please direct them towards your podcast as well.

56:22 Yeah, check out the Connect with Johnny Mitchell.

56:24 Uh, I interview, you know, uh, it's a true crime podcast,

56:28 but we interview a lot of nauticals.

56:30 We do a lot of documentary stuff in this space.

56:32 We talk to people that have crazy prison stories.

56:35 Um, so yeah, we we've been having a lot of fun.

56:38 We've been getting some great guests in.

56:40 So, just type in on YouTube or Spotify the Connect

56:43 with Johnny Mitchell and uh, you will find us.

56:46 I got a buddy of mine who was

56:49 trying to transport leather and inside the suitcase

56:54 was layered with drugs and he ended up doing three years in a Pakistan prison.

56:58 I'm going to connect you with him, dude.

57:00 It's crazy story, bro.

57:02 You've got to.

57:04 Yes.

57:05 Crazy story, dude.

57:06 Yeah.

57:06 And he's like, I never killed anyone until I had

57:08 to go to prison and had to kill someone to protect myself.

57:10 I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOD, BRO.

57:12 SO, I'm gonna connect stories.

57:14 Yeah, it'd be perfect, bro.

57:15 But thank you so much, man.

57:16 If there's anything anything else you need and you ever

57:19 want to come back to the show, just let me know.

57:21 Definitely, man.

57:21 Always good to see you.

57:22 You, too, brother.

57:23 Take care.

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57:31 Man,