Esfand's Daily News and Reacts | Esfand Live 05/10/2026

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0:16 Sorry for the long intro chat.

0:22 Okay, what is this?

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0:38 I'll be more formal.

0:39 Dude, this you clip you show me a clip from years ago.

0:44 It's not polite to talk to people while you're in the car.

0:47 Just get out.

0:48 This is a business partner.

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0:56 It's fine.

0:58 I remember this.

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1:00 Oh, sorry.

1:00 I don't want to hit Bose.

1:01 Well, if you want to keep it a little more private, might as well stay inside.

1:04 Yeah.

1:04 Okay, that works.

1:06 Okay, so dude, this was one of the Dude,

1:12 the the one of the best arcs of of 4.0, I think, was Section K.

1:16 housing was so funny where where they were uh where they were going

1:24 through and doing like the they were

1:26 like gentrifying the southside was so funny.

1:32 Oh, it was so good.

1:33 Yeah, it was such a good idea.

1:36 Yeah.

1:36 Yeah.

1:37 Uh J is add vendor for badges for crime like urge to fix economy in TBC.

1:42 Um I've never talked to anybody about that.

1:45 No.

1:47 Do you think that would be a good idea to have a vendor for crafting materials?

1:53 I don't know.

1:53 We need some more people for 5.0.

1:55 Yeah.

1:56 Please go IRL next week.

1:58 Uh, you're going to want to score the went outside badge to show up in chat.

2:01 215 plus minutes of any IRL stream from Wait, what?

2:08 Why?

2:15 Why?

2:20 Okay.

2:30 All right.

2:31 Whatever.

2:31 I mean Yeah, I think I'm So, I've already seen this video.

2:40 Um, yeah, we're gonna we're gonna talk about some stuff today.

2:43 We're we're going to do a little bit of react.

2:45 Sorry, I'm starting so late in the day.

2:47 Uh, I was working on some stuff for Star Forge, actually.

2:49 So, a little bit of update.

2:51 Um, hold on.

2:59 Hey, can I can I tell people?

3:01 Yeah.

3:01 Yeah.

3:05 Okay.

3:04 All right.

3:05 Uh leaked chat.

3:06 Uh Star For YouTube channel and it's going to be

3:09 uh it's going to be Star Forge YouTube channel.

3:12 It's not Baldspot.

3:13 It's just my hair.

3:14 It's just pattern.

3:18 Yeah, we're starting a new Star Forge YouTube channel.

3:21 Star Forge Tech Tips.

3:22 No, it's it's uh it's Star For I

3:25 don't think we've decided on the exact name 100%,

3:26 but it's like a Star Forge Media.

3:28 Yeah.

3:31 Yeah, it's Star Forge Media and um I'm going to be the main character.

3:35 Uh not really, but I'm gonna I'm gonna do a lot of stuff for it.

3:38 So, tech god at it.

3:39 Yeah, dude.

3:40 Yeah.

3:40 So, we're going to do a lot of a lot of different stuff.

3:42 It's going to be uh different kind of like, hey,

3:46 like let's crank the hell out of this PC and see what happens, you know?

3:49 Uh throw a bunch of mods in games, stuff like that.

3:52 Like that kind of those kinds of videos.

3:54 And then there's also going to be like some other like bigger stuff,

3:57 you know, maybe like a Yeah, maybe.

4:00 No, not sex tips.

4:03 Okay.

4:04 Anyway, yeah, it's going to be a channel like that.

4:06 So, it'll be Yes, it'll be a channel for adults.

4:08 There will be adult for adult content gamers.

4:12 Yeah, adult content gamers.

4:14 Uh, that's what it's for.

4:19 But I I think that's going to be really cool.

4:21 I think it's going to go really well.

4:22 Um, I think we're going to build uh we might we might

4:26 build a little uh a little set or something back there eventually.

4:31 We might we might build a little setup back there

4:33 in the in the podcast room beyond the dark portal.

4:36 We might we might build something out there for it.

4:38 So, I think it'll be fun.

4:40 Yeah, it's going to be super good.

4:41 So, we're excited about that.

4:42 And um hey crew, I've got the key to this 25 Cadillac Escalade V.

4:55 And to who will be the hammer?

5:01 Esmount.

5:03 Okay.

5:04 I built my first computer at 12.

5:06 So I think I'll enjoy that.

5:06 Yeah.

5:07 See, that's whenever I I think I was 12 when I built my first computer.

5:09 Was that 12 or 13?

5:11 I think I always say I was 12, but I think I was 13.

5:16 Something like that.

5:17 But yeah, I was the same way 100%.

5:20 Yeah.

5:20 PC benchmark using adult games.

5:22 No, games for adults is different than adult games.

5:24 Frick.

5:25 Somebody left the door open in my house for a little

5:27 bit and my room is now super hot again.

5:31 Frick.

6:21 central error ain't a thing.

6:22 It is, but it's just this.

6:24 I have everything here.

6:26 Yeah.

6:26 Get the Escalade, get the red V off stream someday,

6:28 and then go car shopping in it and see how long it takes Chad to notice.

6:31 Well, you know what?

6:31 You know I did that whenever I bought the last car.

6:33 I didn't even tell people that I got a car.

6:36 And I I was just I I did like two or three streams in it

6:39 and I think it was the second or third stream that people were like,

6:41 "Wait, is this a new car?" Cuz I And I kept

6:46 talking about how I still need to get a new car.

6:49 It was like a couple months.

6:50 I think four people found out.

6:57 As fan, I found out fan remembers when the graphics cards had buben on them.

7:02 Tears in me eyes.

7:05 Grav boob on them.

7:06 Dude, they did actually.

7:08 They had like a freaking uh They did actually.

7:11 Look, ma.

7:12 No hands.

7:15 Uh, wait.

7:16 What was that?

7:16 Wait, I lost that link.

7:17 This is why Blizzard invites you to events.

7:22 I lost the link.

7:24 Oh, here it is.

7:27 No, wait.

7:28 No.

7:28 Yo, relax, relax.

7:32 I dude, I didn't realize what that was at first.

7:36 That is crazy.

7:38 That is crazy.

7:43 That is insane.

7:45 I'm joking.

7:46 I know.

7:48 That is crazy, dude.

7:50 Oh my gosh.

7:52 Insane.

7:54 The order of the oil.

7:57 Insane, dude.

8:00 Lamborghini just dropped this.

8:02 I mean, you know what?

8:20 I hate how expensive cars get.

8:24 Like, I think it's so weird that cars get this expensive.

8:27 I I don't even know the price yet, but like a million dollars or whatever.

8:31 Like what?

8:33 Any giftters hard?

8:35 Cronin, thank you for the five gifted.

8:36 Thank you so much, dude.

8:41 I think this is a girl car.

8:45 No, I agree.

8:45 Yeah, I mean I'm saying the same thing for the Escalade,

8:48 but I mean I wouldn't want it for I

8:50 wouldn't want it Escalade that expensive, but W stream car.

8:56 Terrible stream car.

8:57 Terrible.

8:58 Today we're going to see what it's like to live with starting with remote start.

9:06 Okay, every car has remote start.

9:08 Wait, a day in the life of obstacles like in this case the Range Rover.

9:12 It will also deploy the running board

9:14 and with the air suspension lowered in this access hybr

9:18 and the key fob is on to cool or heat the cabin before you start your day.

9:23 And when hopping in and the key fob is on me,

9:25 I just press on the keypad and it's going to automatically open the door.

9:29 Dude, this would freak me out

9:33 before hitting obstacles like in this case the Range Rover.

9:36 It will also deploy the running board.

9:38 And with the air suspension lowered and this access height,

9:41 I have this great see the treasure chain.

9:44 Well, there's nothing that shows treasure train for me.

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10:18 I'm furious thank the vibe gifted fig head think of the 71

10:21 months pug this video actually owns he's good at these videos really hey crew

10:36 yes you want the visual presence.

10:38 Yes, you want the power and it has those things in spades,

10:49 but it also treats you nicely.

10:52 I love that combo.

10:53 In fact, the only critique I would have

10:55 in terms of comfort would be for the seats.

10:59 As I said, they're very adjustable.

11:00 I found a comfortable posture, but I just got out of that Range Rover

11:04 putting over a,000 miles on it on a road trip.

11:08 And the seats were my favorite part about it.

11:10 They were just plush yet supportive.

11:13 These are a little on the firmer side, though the leather itself is very soft.

11:18 Now, I'm off to grab some coffee.

11:20 And yes, it will be decap.

11:23 Okay.

11:24 Um, I'm gonna sit there and watch the whole video,

11:27 but Okay, there's a couple things to do here.

11:38 There's a couple things I want to react to.

11:41 Mad Season made a video.

11:43 We love Mad Season chat.

11:46 Mad Season, good friend.

11:49 Mad Season sponsored by War Thunder.

11:53 Former former crusader.

11:55 Mad Season.

11:58 Watch 30-minute Madsy video instead.

12:00 True.

12:09 Okay.

12:10 So, let's see this right here.

12:13 Uh, classic plus announcement is coming soon.

12:15 Here is why.

12:17 This is from This is from Mad Season Show.

12:19 We love Mad Season Show.

12:21 Mad Season.

12:22 He's one of the good ones.

12:23 This 2050 successfund is still looking for the car he was going to buy.

12:32 He is now picking the classic Escalade.

12:36 They made a remake of this original car.

12:43 Mhm.

12:45 Snailman, thank you for the 38 months.

12:47 All right, here we go.

12:47 Ready?

12:48 Yeah.

12:48 So, uh, Mad Season made a video.

12:50 Mad Season says classic plus announcement is coming soon.

12:53 And here's why.

12:54 Uh, Mad Season, um, fellow fellow crusader, former crusader,

12:59 uh, used to be used to be in our guild.

13:01 Uh, Mad Season and I ranked together in in Classic WoW.

13:04 So, uh, Mad Season is a is a great great friend, great dude.

13:08 We we love Mad Season.

13:09 So, let's check out his video.

13:10 He says, "Classic Plus announcement is coming soon,

13:12 and here is why." This video is sponsored by War Thunder.

13:25 All righty, it's about that time again.

13:27 So, I noticed that there is a startling

13:29 shortage of classic plus videos on the internet

13:32 today and I decided that I would rectify things with another one here for you.

13:36 Suppose that this one's going to be my manifesto or I mean my thesis on why I

13:42 think most signs are pointing towards an announcement

13:44 at this year's BlizzCon which is occurring in September.

13:48 but to be serious.

13:49 All right.

13:49 So, so actually I'm going to go ahead and chime in here.

13:51 This is what I think.

13:53 Um, now I don't know about an announcement,

13:56 but I I think I think everybody thinks that there's

14:01 going to be an announcement this year um for something,

14:05 but then the question is is like will the announcement be

14:09 for the following year or will it be for the next year after that?

14:13 And I think if they want to do a Wrath Classic,

14:16 which I think they probably will, or sorry, sorry, Wrath Classic Anniversary,

14:20 even though I don't like Wrath of Lich King that much,

14:22 like I'm not a big fan of Wrath of Lich King.

14:24 I will not play Wrath Anniversary.

14:26 Uh the current rendition of my guild, uh we're only playing Burning Crusade.

14:30 If people want to continue afterwards, that's fine.

14:33 Uh but I'm not planning on it.

14:35 Um, I think that they'll do Wrath Classic, do that for a year,

14:41 and then the following year would be like classic plus, I think.

14:45 Um, but anyway, continue

14:48 announcement at this year's BlizzCon, which is occurring in September,

14:52 but to be serious, I did do a search for something

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15:10 Here, I'm going to I'm going to mute uh I'm going to I'm going to mute

15:13 my alerts just so it doesn't it doesn't

15:14 break over the video because I don't know, maybe we do a reaction video to this

15:19 September.

15:20 But to be serious, I did do a search for something along these lines

15:23 and I couldn't find anything as autistic as what I'm about to provide for you.

15:28 So, let's see.

15:29 It might actually have some new information that you maybe haven't considered,

15:32 or at least information that when it's

15:34 all put together tells an interesting story.

15:37 Before we get into it though,

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16:30 So check it out today.

16:32 Anyways, so classic plus it is quite the enigma.

16:36 Most everyone knows what it is and yet still no one

16:39 can agree on what it is or when it'll be out.

16:42 Will it be good or bad?

16:43 It's probably one of the most undefinable products in the history of gaming.

16:49 But I'll try my best to compile all

16:50 of the most common things that you see about it.

16:53 So, Classic Plus is mostly generalized with the idea of the original base game,

16:57 vanilla, after its final 1.12 patch.

17:01 Instead of going through the dark portal like

17:03 in the Burning Crusade expansion and similar ones after it,

17:06 the game instead continues on in the old

17:08 world in the Eastern Kingdoms and Calumdor.

17:11 Okay.

17:11 New content is added that follows the spirit and design

17:16 of the original base vanilla version of the game with new raids, dungeons,

17:20 the Asher, zones, and even crater the battleground specializations, professions,

17:26 and other similar features in line with classic MMORP.

17:30 So, this is in vanilla right now.

17:32 So, as you probably know, when Classic 2019 vanilla ended in 2021,

17:36 Blizzard instead opted for the safer route

17:39 of just going down the list of expansions

17:42 released in their original chronological order with similar

17:45 phasing schedules to roughly match their releases.

17:48 And as of today, they've reached all the way to the Mists of expansion.

17:53 And that's all well and good, but considering that for many people,

17:56 the end of the classic version of the game ended in Cataclysm.

18:00 Here's my question.

18:00 Do you guys think they're going to do classic wad?

18:12 Do you guys think they should have done classic mists?

18:16 I feel like I feel like classic mists was kind of this uh they were

18:19 stuck between a rock and a hard place

18:21 because didn't they just do like Mop Remix?

18:27 I feel like they just did Mop Remix and then the retail players liked Mop Remix.

18:31 But I think for a lot of people, MOP is like the classic wow of retail.

18:36 Was like, wasn't Classic WoW the classic WoW of retail?

18:38 It's like not really cuz if you really separate the games,

18:42 I think I think Mist of Panderia is a lot of people say Cataclysm Oh, sorry.

18:49 A lot of people like Cataclysm is like the beginning of the end

18:51 or like Cataclysm was like the the definitive moment which the game changed.

18:56 And I think Cataclysm in hindsight Cataclysm was

19:01 kind of like the transition period and Mr.

19:04 Panderia was like okay now we are

19:06 in the current retail era of World of Warcraft.

19:10 That's what I think.

19:12 And I think I think Wrath was kind of the beginning of the end.

19:14 I think Wrath was whenever they started introducing some systems

19:16 that snowballed out of control or really like other problems

19:20 like itemization stuff kind of came to a head

19:22 and then they got to Cataclysm launched and they were like,

19:25 "Okay, we need to change a lot of these things like the class design.

19:27 We got to figure it out.

19:28 we got.

19:28 So there there was like a big revamp,

19:30 but it was really just a transition period um

19:33 for the game leading into the the definitive the class balance,

19:38 the the class design,

19:40 all all parts of the game had really changed even to the point

19:43 of having like one race for the new expansion that could go to either faction.

19:48 Like I think that's like to me

19:51 that's like a definitive retail woow thing, right?

19:54 like where you have where you can choose what faction your race goes to.

19:57 Sounds kind of crazy.

19:58 Am I wrong or like how how do you guys to me that's like very retail.

20:03 Abu, thank you for the 10 gifted subs by the way.

20:05 Thank you so much for the 10 gifted subs.

20:15 Uh it's been that way since pandas.

20:17 It's just a way for us to be lazy not to write as much lore.

20:20 Maybe.

20:20 Yeah, maybe it's like a lore thing.

20:22 Maybe it's a money thing.

20:22 I don't know.

20:23 But to me, like that's what that is.

20:25 Um, it makes me sad for your prediction for two

20:28 years away since you're the one going to Blizzard.

20:29 Probably know more than anyone.

20:30 I mean, we it's like you don't really know anything, right?

20:33 Like it's just Yeah.

20:36 Uh, only makes sense if the race itself

20:38 changes somehow when you go to either faction.

20:40 High elf versus blood elf.

20:41 I feel like it needs to have a different silhouette.

20:43 Like it needs to because like part of it is you you don't really

20:45 notice like how their face looks or like the markings on their face, right?

20:50 It's the silhouette, right?

20:55 Uh yeah, I disagree.

20:58 I think Mop was really good, but Wad felt terrible.

21:01 Um wait, disagree with what part?

21:12 Because because what I think is I I I feel

21:13 like uh I feel like you had um Sorry, real quick.

21:25 Okay.

21:26 I feel I feel like you had um what I was saying

21:32 is like MOP was really good for like if you're a retail player,

21:34 you probably really like MOP.

21:36 And that's like that's like your version of classic WoW.

21:38 That's what I was saying.

21:48 Okay.

21:48 Anyway, let's continue.

21:53 Left quite a big discrepancy with what these players

21:56 want and what Blizzard is providing with many

21:59 even turning to the independently run private servers

22:02 to fill in that blank as was evidenced with the Oh, let's see this.

22:06 Oh, let me let me go back a second.

22:08 players want and what Blizzard is providing with many

22:12 even turning to the independently run private servers to fill

22:15 in that void as was evidenced with the almost overwhelming

22:19 popularity of the Turtle WoW server which just recently announced.

22:23 So, I think that Turtle WoW did a lot of good things and while

22:29 a lot of people say that Blizzard should

22:30 just basically do exactly what Turtle WoW did, I don't know if they should.

22:37 I don't know.

22:40 Not because of the things that Turtle Wild did were bad necessarily or whatever,

22:44 but like I think I think if you have

22:49 the ability to like you're Blizzard, this is your game.

22:54 You can do more with it than just like kind

22:55 of jerryrigging the game together and modding it into something crazy, right?

22:59 Um, that's my opinion.

23:04 I feel like they can just do better.

23:07 They have, sorry, I think they have the capability of doing better.

23:10 That's what I should say.

23:12 Independently run private service.

23:13 With that being said,

23:16 I think the high elves I think I think high elves are are like a home run.

23:22 I know they I mean like for example turtle wow

23:24 like with high elves like yeah they can just take all

23:26 the animations and everything that like is already in the game

23:29 with blood elves and that's basically a high elf, right?

23:32 They just I think it's the color of their eyes are different, right?

23:35 High elves have blue eyes.

23:36 Blood elves have green eyes.

23:37 But other than that, they're like the exact same.

23:39 I'm I'm a big proponent of high elves for the Alliance.

23:42 Now, here's the problem that you come with is like

23:45 a lot of people say high elves for the Alliance.

23:48 Uh ogres should go uh Horde.

23:52 The problem that Blizzard had originally whenever they created Burning Crusade,

23:56 they were like, "Horde has no pretty race.

23:58 We need a pretty race for the Horde." I think personally, I think that's dumb.

24:03 That's my own personal opinion.

24:04 I'm a big believer in Warcraft and that you

24:06 know like you know horde is ugly and brutish.

24:10 Um now to be fair blood elves actually like the more you

24:14 kind of play them it kind of makes sense that they're horde.

24:17 They could kind of fit either way like blood elves here or high elves there.

24:20 Um but just kind of the the eyeball test now.

24:28 Anyway, continue.

24:29 Evidenced with the almost overwhelming popularity of the Turtle WoW server,

24:33 which just recently announced it shut down after a legal battle with Blizzard.

24:38 Blizzard has flirted with the idea of Classic Plus,

24:41 with the closest to date being their seasonal servers.

24:44 I said this whenever they announced Season of Discovery.

24:46 I've I've always thought this.

24:48 I thought Season of Discovery was basically a beta for Classic Plus.

24:51 First, you had the season of mastery, which made various raid balance changes.

24:55 season master kind of suck inreased the overall

24:57 difficulty of the PvE portion of the game which a certain amount of the player

25:01 base were disappointed with in the 2019 run.

25:03 I I think they just did a I think they just did it bad.

25:06 It was too early.

25:08 It was too soon after original classic whenever like Burning Crusade

25:11 and stuff was going on and they just did it bad.

25:14 that there's the more intense season of discovery

25:18 which held quite a few changes but the most

25:21 notable being the rune system which changed

25:23 the class balance and their functionality in quite

25:26 so the the rune system was cool they they revamped it and they got

25:29 rid of like all the discovery portion of it because it was just too much

25:33 ways there were some other things such as

25:35 I think sod was overcooked s was undercooked

25:38 near the end some pretty popular requests within the realm of classic plus such

25:42 as a new scarlet monastery raid as well

25:44 as a quest line for the legendary Ashbringer.

25:48 Overall, it was kind of a mixed bag and people were pretty split

25:51 on it with some people loving it and some people really disliking it.

25:54 So, there's been a large demand for it for quite a few years now.

25:58 And wait, what is this?

26:00 Really disliking it.

26:01 So, there's been a large demand.

26:05 Grim reaches level 33 to 30.

26:06 Is this is this turtle wow stuff?

26:08 Some people loving it and some people really disliking it.

26:11 So there's been a large demand for it for quite a few years.

26:15 So I'm a big believer in this for a classic

26:17 plus level 30 to level 50 specifically is such

26:21 a pain point for the alliance and the horde

26:23 at different parts and it would be really nice to have.

26:27 I mean there's so many spots on the map that you can

26:29 open up like take this silhouette of of the world of Azeroth.

26:34 There's so many zones that you could potentially

26:36 go to and really really flesh out this world.

26:38 I do think it'd be a good idea and I think I

26:40 think this is the I think Grim Reaches the Turtle Wow thing.

26:42 So like like I said, Turtle Wow had a lot of good ideas really.

26:48 Still, do you think they might repeat some ideas from Soden Classic?

26:51 Like having a Scarlet Crusade raid, which is a really cool idea.

26:53 It'd be shame if they scrapped that just because they already did it.

26:55 I think that they will probably repeat some things from Sod,

27:00 but I don't think they should repeat a lot.

27:03 Um I feel like Sod was kind of the playground.

27:06 It kind of felt like a private like a fun server,

27:09 like a private server where like they just mess around with stuff,

27:12 but it wasn't it didn't really like feel like a fully finished Blizzard product.

27:16 It kind of felt to me it just felt weird.

27:19 Like it didn't feel like classic.

27:20 But I do think there's some stuff that you can learn from it, right?

27:23 Like uh like Kerazan Crips, I mean Kerosan Crips,

27:27 Scarlet Enclave, like they did some cool things, right?

27:29 Maybe they maybe they pull from that.

27:31 Felt like a carnival ride server and it didn't even feel like a lot to me.

27:33 Yeah, I that's how I felt.

27:36 Um, I think phase one was really good, but I said this whenever SOD launched.

27:40 I said, "Hey, this is going to snowball out of control.

27:44 I promise." And like at level 25, when you have like a full level 60 kit,

27:52 it's just, you know, it's just going to be that way, right?

27:59 And certainly a lot of frustration,

28:01 especially with Blizzard not providing also now.

28:04 See, this is one I really think they should add.

28:05 I think if they went and added like Telab Beam, Colus,

28:09 uh, even add Kazan, Kazan, Kazan, whatever, however you pronounce it.

28:13 I think it'd be great, Pat.

28:14 Thank you for the 52 months, dude.

28:16 Thanks for the barbecue recommendation.

28:17 It's amazing.

28:17 Nice, dude.

28:19 Nice.

28:19 Thank you for the 52 months, dude.

28:22 Um, sorry.

28:23 So, I think if you added Telam, I think if you added uh Colus,

28:28 Kazan, there's like there's so much that you can do.

28:31 Here's what I would like.

28:32 I think you add is it Kazan or Kazan?

28:35 I don't even know.

28:38 I think if you I think if you do that the goblins should remain a neutral race.

28:45 I think goblins should remain neutral race in WoW.

28:49 And okay, when I mean neutral, I mean not as a playable race like the way

28:54 it is with the Steam Weedle cartel and all that, right?

28:58 And then you can have like this place

29:02 in you could have Kazan be this aisle that's

29:05 basically the steam weedle aisle and imagine a world

29:09 where you expand on the blood sail buccaneer stuff.

29:13 So in vanilla WoW right now you can like kill a bunch of guys in Booty

29:17 Bay Gadget whatever and you can grind your blood

29:20 sail buccaneer rep up like that is cool.

29:24 I think I think that is cool.

29:25 Now, when you do that, it makes everybody there aggressive to you,

29:28 and you can't really use those cities functionally.

29:30 It's pretty It's pretty nifty.

29:32 Like, I I think that's like a cool thing.

29:34 So, what if they expanded on this idea and gave people

29:37 an opportunity to align with the Blood Sale Buccaneers a little bit more?

29:41 And then it's like, okay,

29:42 you can use Kazan as a you can use like the aisle for whatever thing it is,

29:49 like if it's like some mega zone of, you know,

29:52 it's a neutral capital city or what whatever it is, right?

29:54 I don't know.

29:55 I haven't thought I haven't thought this out yet.

29:56 This is like stream of consciousness,

29:58 but expand on the Blood Cell Buccaneer stuff and maybe you can earn

30:02 more like cosmetic things like the Blood

30:03 Cell Buccaneer hat or anything like that.

30:06 Um, even a title, right?

30:08 Like I I think the I think titles are are good to have in like a classic plus.

30:12 But yeah, I think I think this kind of stuff and having kind of the like

30:15 a South Seas because people always talked about

30:18 a South Seas expansion in WoW for years.

30:21 You could do that.

30:22 you could have like a big Southseas patch or an expansion in a classic

30:25 plus and I think this would be like a cool sort of addition anyway

30:31 down the actual classic plus turtle wow if you

30:34 look in the comments of this video most likely

30:36 people are not going to have a very plus

30:38 turtle with Blizzard not providing it and also now

30:41 shutting down the actual classic plus turtle wow if

30:44 you look in the comments of this video most

30:46 likely people are not going to have a very

30:48 fond opinion of Blizzard but whatever you think of them.

30:52 What is I don't know what this is.

30:53 I don't know what Balor Lapidus is.

30:56 We're not going

30:57 Is this are these like things that it made up opinion of Blizzard?

31:01 But whatever you think of them,

31:03 the point of this video is to just give you the information of why

31:06 I think there's a 99% chance probably going to be announced at Blizzcon,

31:11 at least in some capacity.

31:12 New stuff, new zone.

31:13 Starting here first with some older information.

31:17 Interesting.

31:17 And that's the survey.

31:18 Several months ago, Blizzard started sending out surveys to players

31:22 which requested for them to not share them publicly,

31:26 but because it's the internet, of course, that's the first thing we did.

31:29 It held a variety of questions,

31:31 many of them relating to typical features and elements related to Classic Plus.

31:35 This is something that we did actually cover previously.

31:38 But what makes it relevant to this video is that despite its age, none of these

31:43 I want to read some of these related to Classic Plus.

31:45 I mean, I've seen people talk about having like a 1v one,

31:47 like a gladiator dueling arena or something like a dueler league.

31:50 A lot of people have talked about that in vanilla.

31:52 Typical features not related to classic plus.

31:55 This is something that we didn't actually cover previously.

31:57 But new player character models,

31:59 character models similar they use players in modern mile.

32:02 What do you guys think about this?

32:04 If they use if they use For me, this is a dealbreaker.

32:07 Like I would I would hate this.

32:09 like if you wanted to, you know,

32:12 put in some modern graphics like um like mo like modernize it

32:18 a little bit with like the lighting like you know you have ray tracing,

32:21 you have volutric lighting, you have this kind of that's one thing, right?

32:25 In fact, that could be kind of cool.

32:27 Um I know there was this like rumor of like private server doing Unreal.

32:31 I mean it might have been Turtle doing like trying

32:33 to remake the game in Unreal uh like Unreal Engine 5.

32:36 I I wouldn't want that.

32:37 I think I think that would like lose the charm of the game.

32:40 But something else that has has made the game lose its charm

32:43 for a lot of people is like the the the retail models.

32:46 I think retail models like I I don't I don't like them at all.

32:49 I I think they they don't look good.

32:52 They look kind of goofy, derpy.

32:54 Some of them they're they're not that different.

32:56 Like some of the elves kind of look the same,

32:58 but man, like torren just look like freaking plushy dolls, you know?

33:03 Dwarves look stupid.

33:04 Humans look stupid, right?

33:05 A lot of these are kind of dumb, but so you're a brave man.

33:12 I cannot trust my memory to talk

33:13 about classic plus subject with any potential NDA.

33:16 Yeah, but what if that's not what happened?

33:19 What if what if what everybody says happened is not what happened.

33:27 So yeah.

33:29 Uh yeah, very bouncy, dude.

33:31 that everywhere you're running like this, the humans

33:34 like it's they just look stupid, you know?

33:42 Um, let's see.

33:46 Uh, what do you think about classic plus

33:47 adding vanilla style identity class systems like palent

33:50 having a brotherhood system where they protect towns

33:52 and assist low-level players in low level zones.

33:54 Rogues use smuggling networks.

33:55 Warlocks perform rituals.

33:56 I feel like at that point it's like a different game.

34:00 I feel like at that point like it's it's like

34:01 you're making a whole different game and I don't know.

34:05 Yeah.

34:08 What a weird critique.

34:09 Wait, you don't think you don't think

34:10 the uh you don't think the animations are bouncy?

34:13 I think it's super bouncy.

34:14 I mean, it could be cool.

34:15 I just think like that's that's like we're we're

34:19 like talking here and we need to start here.

34:20 You got to you got to build the base before you get to that point.

34:23 That's all.

34:24 Um, more uh more polygons but keep the classic art style.

34:32 Do you agree?

34:33 Um, maybe.

34:37 Right.

34:39 I But I like I don't like the hair in retail like for a human anyway.

34:43 Like I think the hair options look bad.

34:45 I think the the animations are bad.

34:47 I think the faces look stupid.

34:49 I think pretty much like it just looks dumb, right?

34:53 modern character models and animations are too goofy.

34:55 Classic is a lot better.

34:56 Yeah, I think some of the RA butchered

35:00 but like stuff like the orc stores and the belt.

35:01 Yeah, it's like like for example like the elves look kind of the same, I think.

35:05 But um I don't know how you make new

35:09 art but somehow keep it in a low resolution.

35:11 Well, I think you can like increase the resolution

35:14 but maintain the same art style, you know?

35:21 I think you can do that.

35:22 Too many polygons on the boobs.

35:30 Didn't they do this with Sod?

35:31 Uh, no.

35:31 I don't think so.

35:33 Uh, people do it all the time in indie games with retro styling.

35:36 Yeah, keep it the same graphic style, but add new assets.

35:38 Build upon the game as if it was still in 2004.

35:40 Yeah, I mean that's what I think.

35:41 I think basically you you continue the game's design like

35:47 as if it was 2007 whenever Burning Crusade came out, right?

35:54 So like Burning Crusade came out January 2007.

35:57 It's like, hey, right before Burning Crusade came out,

36:00 let's say the game just took a different trajectory.

36:02 That's the way that I see it.

36:04 um a lot of the same sort of design principles,

36:08 keeping the soul of the character design, class design.

36:11 Now, a lot of this is like there's so many different parts of building a game

36:15 and building a building an MMO where

36:16 you have like you're talking about level design,

36:18 world design, uh the quests, the So,

36:22 you have so you have like Sorry, let me start over.

36:23 So, you have level design, you have quest design,

36:27 uh you have and level design being like the map and the world and stuff.

36:31 Um, you have the art, but what is the art?

36:34 The art is character models, it's the texture, it's the armor models.

36:38 There's so many different parts of this.

36:40 And each single one of these things has changed drastically over the years.

36:45 Um, so to to cut it short, I mean,

36:49 there's a lot more that we can talk about this.

36:51 Uh, in my opinion, I think that you kind of just

36:54 need to keep the game going from that point forward.

36:57 uh as if you were continuing the those same sort of design principles,

37:00 keeping the soul of what the class was.

37:03 And I think that a lot of the class design over the years,

37:06 it kind of like lost its soul from vanilla

37:10 kind of a little bit through Burning Crusade,

37:13 but mostly like as as Wrath came in and Cataclysm,

37:16 and there was like this period of time in WoW where it overhomogenized the game.

37:21 Everybody can do everything.

37:23 It's cool that certain classes can't do a certain

37:25 thing or they can't do a certain thing as well.

37:28 It's cool that there's an identity.

37:30 You know, the tanks, druids are your big beefy tanks.

37:33 They have really high armor.

37:34 They can like take the most damage.

37:36 Warriors, jack of all trades.

37:39 You know, they're you will you will never

37:41 have a problem with having a warrior tank.

37:44 They they have the most, you know, active abilities for tanking,

37:47 most cool downs, all that kind of stuff.

37:50 You know, high heavy armor class.

37:52 They're like kind of your your flagship tank.

37:54 Paladin tank, they're your AoE tanks.

37:58 You know, they might not be quite as beefy.

38:00 They might be, you know, they have a lot of spell power and that's

38:02 like the fantasy is like the big AoE packs.

38:04 If there's like you got to tank a bunch of stuff AoE,

38:07 that's your class fantasy there.

38:09 Um, I would even take it a step further and I think the CL Oh my gosh,

38:16 I've started going on I'm starting to go on a whole tangent of other stuff,

38:19 but I'll just say this last point.

38:20 I think when it comes to class design,

38:23 u they need to promote and build upon

38:28 the current play styles of the individual classes in vanilla

38:33 WoW and enable them to be even more to be E+ what they were if that makes sense.

38:39 And um you know that includes some things like

38:43 hey maybe you do throw shaman tank a bone maybe.

38:46 I don't think like you should have rogue tank,

38:48 warlock tank, everybody tank, mage healer.

38:50 I think those are weird.

38:51 I don't I don't like that.

38:52 But I think like specifically like a shaman tank,

38:55 you want to throw them a bone and make them like,

38:56 "Hey, I could have a shaman tank fiveman dungeon." That's fine.

38:59 I think that's I think that's totally cool.

39:01 But kind of, you know, before we go too far much farther down the rabbit hole,

39:06 let's kind of tie it back to this video.

39:08 Um I'm going to ask you guys a question and I

39:09 and I just tell me what you think for new player character models.

39:15 Is this What do you guys think about this in classic in like a classic plus?

39:23 For me, this would be a no.

39:26 Like I would hate this.

39:29 Just keep the old ones.

39:30 No, unnecessary.

39:32 Big no.

39:32 Nay.

39:34 No strong feelings.

39:35 Hard disagree.

39:36 Higher resolution only.

39:38 Only models.

39:40 Yes.

39:40 Low prio is new player.

39:43 Uhhuh.

39:44 Okay.

39:46 It's just a waste of dev time to make the new models.

39:49 Yeah.

39:53 Have you recently watched the old 2005 Blizzcon design presentation of the mile?

39:57 No, but I want to.

39:58 I found a YouTube channel of like Jeff Kaplan talking about a bunch of stuff.

40:01 And uh maybe we will watch that the next couple weeks.

40:06 Do lower resolution.

40:08 Just go even lower.

40:11 Yeah, they should do not modern ones, but the first update from like Wrath Kata.

40:15 So, okay.

40:16 Did they did they tighten up the resolution in Wrath Kata?

40:20 Because I thought they did too, but maybe I'm wrong.

40:28 Make it grayscale.

40:30 Remove all all models and have floating armor.

40:32 Okay.

40:33 Yeah.

40:33 Meme memes aside, this is kind of how I feel, too.

40:35 I I I think new player character models would like I I would just hate it.

40:40 I would just hate it so much.

40:41 Makes it relevant to this video is that despite its age,

40:45 none of these features have been seen in any version of Classic,

40:49 despite it having like five different versions at this point.

40:52 So, all of the information that they've gotten from this survey

40:55 has yet to be utilized in any public way.

40:58 So, maybe they're just doing nothing with it,

41:00 or maybe they're using it to guide

41:02 them with this currently theoretical classic plus.

41:05 Next, we have the 2025 Blizzard yearbook,

41:08 which details some milestones for the various games.

41:11 In this yearbook is, of course, a section about classic.

41:14 I remember I did this I post I posted this on Twitter

41:17 down with a bang in the Scarlet Enclave.

41:20 This was the Scarlet Crusade raid I mentioned.

41:22 And then I and then I was like classic confirmed.

41:25 Future of World of Warcraft classic eyes emoji

41:29 and just below that are a series of plus signs.

41:32 Now, if you're in the Elder Scrolls trailer analysis community,

41:36 this alone is probably at least a 4-hour video,

41:39 but due to the large classic plus-sized

41:42 elephant in the room and this following is, by the way, hold on.

41:48 Show Hurricane's older WoW trailers when he did them as a fan.

41:51 It's an easy thing to point out how to use the same graphic aesthetic,

41:53 but slightly upscaled.

41:55 That's great.

41:56 But you know what?

41:57 So, Hurricane does the trailers.

41:59 Wow.

42:00 Burning Crusade Anniversary trailer.

42:04 So, this was Remember I like freaked out whenever I saw this.

42:09 I was mad.

42:10 You know why?

42:11 And we love Hurricane, but tell me what you notice about this.

42:18 This is the Burning Crusade anniversary trailer.

42:25 Disgusting behavior.

42:37 Disgusting.

42:40 This is a SCOP by Blizzard to slowly try and get in your minds

42:46 and slowly try and make you more and more accustomed to retail models.

42:50 This is my This is my grand conspiracy.

42:54 Just like I said when Burning Crusade Anniversary launched,

42:57 I said, "You know what?

42:58 These guys, these freaking bastards, dude, what are they trying to?

43:01 They're trying to freaking mind control you.

43:03 They're trying to get in your heads.

43:04 That's what they're trying to do." Disgusting.

43:07 Disgusting behavior.

43:10 I hate retail more than I hate Grayson.

43:16 Look at him.

43:16 Look at him.

43:20 Hey, Hurricane.

43:22 Private server community veteran Hurricane now hired by Blizzard.

43:26 Fellow private server brother, make a new trailer for us,

43:30 but make sure you use those sweet, sweet retail models.

43:37 Disgusting behavior.

43:39 Disgusting behavior by Blizzard.

43:45 Absolutely shameful.

43:55 How could one have no shame as to sully

44:01 the good world of classic WoW with these disgusting,

44:05 offensive models to me?

44:16 No, I'm just kidding.

44:17 I don't know if they would actually do that, but but I

44:21 did notice that whenever this came out and I was pissed.

44:23 I was like, they're doing it.

44:25 They're trying to get in your head.

44:29 Snippet about the season of Discovery,

44:31 which is Blizzard's closest thing to Classic Plus.

44:34 So far, many people see this as a tease for an official classic plus,

44:38 which I think is reasonable.

44:39 Throughout the development and run of Season of Discovery, if you notice,

44:43 the developer said many times that the whole thing was an experiment

44:48 and they wanted to see what worked and what didn't work.

44:51 Quoting the team directly in this blue post we have,

44:55 season of discovery was always meant to be an ephemeral seasonal experience.

45:00 And while it became so much more for a time,

45:03 we're extremely excited about the things we're working on for the future.

45:07 So the thought process here being that the reason

45:10 for an experiment is to gain information for a bigger project.

45:14 So, I take this as the season of discovery,

45:17 especially due to its eventual end date,

45:19 was just this testing ground for a more solid foundation for presing.

45:24 I said this I was on the floor at Blisscon.

45:26 This is true.

45:27 This could even give you a rough idea of what their version

45:29 of classic plus could be based on the feedback of Season of Discovery.

45:33 You know, what did players generally like and dislike about the season?

45:37 That itself is up for debate and would set this video way off focus.

45:41 So, I'll just leave that for you to argue about in the comments.

45:44 Next up, we have the 2026 State of Azeroth.

45:48 This is a new thing they're doing.

45:49 I guess it's kind of like a mini preview of what's coming up

45:52 in the year for uh all forms of World of Warcraft, classic included.

45:56 And while the 2026 version was more focused around housing in Retail,

45:59 well, how they're adding a seventh form of monetization to the game.

46:03 Yes, I counted.

46:04 They did also have this weird mention/ tease of classic.

46:08 That's well, I mean, I'll just play it here for you.

46:10 And that's not all we're cooking up.

46:12 I can say it with confidence that all classic players

46:14 across the globe have a lot to look forward to.

46:17 I'm really excited to announce that I guess we'll save that for later.

46:22 Did you get that?

46:23 Play it again.

46:24 I'm really excited to announce that the numbers Pepe Sylvia meme.

46:33 One more time.

46:33 I'm really excited to announce that.

46:36 Yeah, I have no[ __] idea.

46:38 It's Holly something.

46:40 But yeah, this was the big tease.

46:42 So, a rational person would say they wouldn't

46:46 blueball the players unless it's something really big, right?

46:49 And obviously the biggest thing that they

46:51 could do is classic plus without a doubt.

46:55 But hold on, this is Blizzard Entertainment who aside from the Cosby

47:00 suite are entirely out of touch with their player base.

47:02 At this point, there's been quite a rich history of them hyping something

47:06 up and then it turns out to be a mobile Diablo game or something.

47:09 To be fair, Diablo is kind of owning right now.

47:12 People really, really like Diablo right now.

47:14 Hey, I'm super new here.

47:15 Is this a normal stream length or are you celebrating something?

47:17 Either way, pretty cool.

47:19 Um, oh, we're just getting started.

47:23 Extra mile sauce.

47:25 We're just getting started.

47:26 Welcome to the stream, dude.

47:28 ship.

47:29 We'd also like to let you know that the forges here at Blizzard

47:32 are burning hot and we have multiple Diablo projects in the works.

47:36 Three weeks later, the current plan is to be

47:39 Yeah, this is a really bad time in Diablo's history and iOS.

47:43 Uh we don't have any plans at the moment to do uh PC.

47:50 Yep, that's me.

47:52 You're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation.

47:55 Did you guys have phones?

47:56 Yeah, you guys.

47:58 This is a really, really bad time for Diablo.

48:03 This is amazing.

48:05 Yeah, remember that[ __] Oh, we got some big news for you Diablo fans.

48:09 __] Netflix series that never saw the light

48:11 of day and the raping of your childhood.

48:14 So, this could go either way if Blizzard were normal.

48:18 just no longer.

48:21 This could be taken as a clear tease for Classic Plus,

48:23 but as we know, uh, they're not normal.

48:27 Next, we have the building of the 50s, dude.

48:30 This year in January, Agrand announced his diminished

48:32 involvement with the 2019 line of classic,

48:36 which again is ina, as well as anniversary, which is now true.

48:40 That was another thing that said boosts and likely soon the WoW token.

48:44 told you so, by the way, just in case you forgot, because I definitely didn't.

48:49 But in the same post, here's the thing, though, with the WOW token.

48:53 It's crazy because people are now asking for the WOW token.

49:00 Like, and I and I understand why the WOW token works the way it does.

49:05 I understand the math, but like it's just so lame.

49:10 It's just so cringe.

49:16 because people just swipe anyway.

49:18 I'm tired of being banned for two weeks.

49:20 They just need to No, stop.

49:25 And then people are like, "Well,

49:26 easy for you to say people give you gold." That's true.

49:28 People do give me gold, but but like I still have my epic flying,

49:35 so don't give me that much gold.

49:41 What does cringe mean?

49:42 It's like, you know,

49:43 whenever like like 25 year old girls say something gives them the ick.

49:49 That's what cringe means.

49:51 He announced his change because I definitely didn't.

49:55 But in the same post, he announced change from production to design

49:59 and that he's working on the future of classic.

50:02 But if that future is an anniversary of the 2019 line, what could it be?

50:08 That leaves only a new project and some people conclude

50:11 that what new project could it be other than classic plus, right?

50:15 And lastly, we have a repetition of history.

50:18 Earlier we talked about the turtle wow got shut down and then that stress

50:22 and the other private servers got shut down.

50:24 very highly received and because of that it became quite

50:27 popular and because it became popular it pinged Blizzard's radar

50:31 leading to the lawsuit and upcoming shutdown and I mentioned

50:34 this because of two things poor guy Shagu lawsuit and

50:39 so this lawsuit happened this guy Shagu Shagu

50:43 is has nothing Shagu is an add-on developer

50:46 and he was thrown into this but he's he's an add-on dev

50:49 like I used to use Shagu's add-ons years ago But like Shenna,

50:55 Shenna and Croggy, where's Croggy's in this?

50:58 Is Kroggy in this?

50:59 Croggy somewhere.

51:00 But dude, Shenna and Croggy being in this was crazy because there was

51:03 like a big conspiracy that the people running Allesium were running Turtle Wow.

51:07 And Allesium had like a big drama where they were like stealing from people.

51:10 They like taking money and stuff.

51:12 So now Turtle Wow has turned out to be a martyr.

51:14 But if you're like a private server veteran and you know the whole history,

51:17 people hated people hated Ellesium.

51:22 So that's why Shenna didn't go by Shenna.

51:23 She goes like she went by Tora because nobody

51:27 would have trusted a project from them after what happened.

51:33 So it's kind of funny like if like you if you're like

51:35 an OG private server guy like you kind of know like all this stuff.

51:38 Yeah.

51:40 Yeah.

51:41 I think at least I think her name was Tora, which is pretty funny.

51:46 Yeah, Shagu got scared off because of this.

51:50 Yeah, Shagu was a great add-on developer coming shut down.

51:56 And I mentioned this because of two things.

51:58 One, in the terms of the lawsuit,

52:00 Blizzard wanted all the data and everything to do with the project.

52:04 And two, we have a fairly similar situation

52:07 to the Nostalgia shutdown leading to classic 2019.

52:11 So this is just about 10 years ago now,

52:14 but there was once a private server named

52:15 Nostalas that was just simply a vanilla private server.

52:19 It was the old version of It's crazy that people don't know this recreated.

52:22 And like so many people don't know the history of private servers

52:25 and how we got classic WoW and how we got to this point.

52:28 Like I really wish somebody would make

52:29 a movie like factually documenting like everything that happened,

52:33 all the steps like behind the scenes that you know what

52:36 h like I I mean there's there's not very many people even

52:40 in the world that like know all the details like I know

52:43 a lot a lot but like I I don't know everything, right?

52:47 It would be really cool.

52:53 Like it would like I know I know a lot of it but I I know I don't

52:57 know 100% of everything but like if somebody made

53:01 like a documentary about like how we got classic WoW would be kind of crazy.

53:07 It was run pretty well by an independent group of people.

53:11 It was fairly combine that with the fact that was

53:14 still adamantly refusing that anybody actually wanted to play it.

53:18 They became quite popular and just like turtle wild

53:21 popular enough that they would become a threat to Blizzard's

53:23 player base and IP and so they sent a cease

53:26 and desist which they did end up complying to.

53:29 However, they did also send an invitation to their offices in California where

53:33 they had a chat relating to vanilla World of Warcraft in some capacity.

53:36 Go to Blizzard Facebook and like my post.

53:40 Go to Blizzard Facebook and like my post about Nostalas.

53:44 It's the very first post.

53:45 Got 17 likes.

53:46 Need more.

53:47 Come on.

53:48 Nice.

53:50 World of Warcraft in some capacity.

53:52 Then in the next year's Blizzcon in November of 2017,

53:56 the announcement of Classic 2019 was made.

53:58 That ran all the way until 2021, at which point they released level boosts,

54:03 which is when this highly attractive and intelligent uh YouTube channel

54:07 named Mad Season Show predicted the later release of the WoW token,

54:12 which a portion of the player base adamantly refuted,

54:14 and that Blizzard would never do such a thing in a million years.

54:17 At which point, the WoW token was later released.

54:20 And then all of these people disappeared into the[ __] bush like Homer J.

54:24 Simpson.

54:26 But the point here obviously being that there has been a precedent of Blizzard

54:30 shutting down a popular private server

54:33 shortly before announcing their own similar server.

54:35 Somebody is trolling.

54:37 See you in Legion.

54:38 I love Blizzard.

54:43 Trolling during the shutdown.

54:47 So the salary shut down in 2016.

54:49 2017, the classic announcement, which could precede the turtle shutdown in 2026,

54:56 followed with the classic plus announcement.

54:58 Regarding the data, I personally don't know about this one,

55:01 but some people believe it, so I still wanted to at least mention it.

55:04 But some people think because Blizzard is getting all of the data

55:07 of the various features of Turtle WoW that they're just going to copy paste it.

55:12 I don't believe this for two reasons.

55:14 one first being I highly doubt it would be that simple.

55:18 As far as I understand, Turtle WoW's foundation was 1.12 vanilla WoW,

55:22 which was the old client that Blizzard has.

55:24 Yeah, when Mad Season is a thousand% right about this.

55:27 It just doesn't work that way.

55:29 Said in the past that they can't go back to because

55:31 it has all of these old security vulnerabilities and other various exploits.

55:35 And number two, I think,

55:36 is that they're probably just pretty set on doing their own thing.

55:39 It would kind of be a blow to their ego to just copy paste a private server.

55:43 So, I don't know.

55:45 I just have my I mean, I think here's the problem.

55:47 This is the honest to god truth.

55:49 Most of this stuff that they're showing as like things

55:51 they want to do in Turtle or have done in Turtle,

55:54 most of these things are no-brainers.

55:59 Like the concept of like completing Ashara is a no-brainer, right?

56:04 The concept of opening up Gilaeas and going through

56:07 the Greymane wall is kind of a no-brainer, right?

56:10 So like it's it's not necessarily being or hyel, right?

56:15 Like it's this isn't necessarily something creative.

56:17 It's a cool idea that I think most people agree with.

56:20 This is what people want to see.

56:22 Right now there's some things like like uh Blackstone Isle,

56:30 this thing like Blackstone Isle.

56:32 There's some things like this that are completely original

56:35 to uh what turtle the private server did, right?

56:41 And this is coming from me as a as a like I'm a private server veteran, okay?

56:47 We love private servers, okay?

56:49 At least we used to, right?

56:50 I I haven't really played on one in a long time, right?

56:55 Because I can't stream it anymore.

56:56 Um but like that's literally how I came back to WoW.

56:59 If it wasn't for private servers, I never would have played WoW again.

57:02 However, with all that being said, I'm not an idiot.

57:05 I know how the world works.

57:06 I know how life works.

57:10 This this image kind of goes it it it goes for the private servers, too, right?

57:17 And this is this is why they legally have precedent to be able

57:19 to shut shut it down is because at the end of the day like yeah

57:23 technically Blizzard is taking the sorry technically

57:26 the private servers are taking the the IP

57:29 of somebody else and using it for their own yada yada yada right now.

57:34 It sucks but it is that that's why they have the ability to do that.

57:38 You know, one first was 1.12 because who has all of these old security?

57:44 You just have to hope that they do all this and better and other now.

57:48 Will they?

57:48 We'll see.

57:49 Various exploits.

57:50 And number two, I think is that they're

57:52 probably just pretty set on doing their own thing.

57:55 It would kind of be a blow to their ego to just copy paste the private server.

57:59 So, I don't know.

58:00 I just have my doubts in that regard,

58:02 but I still wanted to mention it because some people have brought it up.

58:05 So, we have classic plus surveys,

58:07 season of discovery experiment, the yearbook tease,

58:11 the 2026 state of Azeroth weird tease thing,

58:14 cryptic developer blogs, private server precedents.

58:17 Of course, there's nothing rock solid yet, but I do believe that there is

58:21 enough information all pointing towards one thing.

58:24 To me, the most convincing sign is the eyes emoji with the plus signs.

58:28 I I Dude, I tweeted this just like as a meme, but it's so funny.

58:34 It's coincidental.

58:35 So, I personally would be pretty surprised if

58:37 they didn't announce it at this year's BlizzCon,

58:39 especially since they teased it so much in various different ways,

58:42 unless they're maybe going to do another Netflix series that will never

58:46 materialize or a mobile version of classic

58:49 that's monetized in borderline illegal ways, which will still be entertaining.

58:54 So, it's a win-win in my book.

58:57 So, this all just leaves one question.

59:00 Will it be good?

59:01 Is it going to be classic plus

59:03 or turtle minus as my friend clubs likes to put it?

59:06 Again, if you scroll down,

59:07 you'll probably find the general sentiment in the comments.

59:10 People, for some inexplicable, totally unreasonable reason,

59:15 have lost faith in Blizzard.

59:16 I'm not really sure why.

59:17 I think that they're personally doing a bangup job.

59:20 I mean, just look at the impeccable quality of content they've been putting out.

59:24 Holy Jesus.

59:26 What is that?

59:28 WHAT THE[ __] is that?

59:31 What?

59:32 What even is this?

59:33 What is this from?

59:34 I don't even know.

59:35 Maybe if they add an eighth form of monetization,

59:36 they could surpass the One Punch Man levels of animation.

59:39 The unalienable fact is that it has the potential to be good,

59:43 which was shown quite well with Turtle WoW, of course.

59:45 So, that leaves the actual question

59:47 of is Blizzard able to realize that potential, which we'll have to see.

59:51 I do think that it will be pretty heavily monetized.

59:54 I don't really think there's any way of getting around that.

59:56 It's just kind of the culture of

59:58 I think I think it probably also I hope I hope not but like dude he's

1:00:04 Jeff Kaplan actually came out and spilled the tea with a lot

1:00:07 of the background shenanigans that went

1:00:08 on with Blizzard at the time of his departure.

1:00:11 Surely you know him.

1:00:12 This to be fair this isn't the same Blizzard of 5 years ago.

1:00:16 Was it 5 years ago?

1:00:17 To be fair it's not the same Blizzard of 5 years ago but even so.

1:00:20 Mr.

1:00:20 Tigle Bitties himself longtime World of Warcraft

1:00:23 developer and the father of Overwatch.

1:00:25 Overwatch was pretty much his baby.

1:00:28 And he shared a story recently of their CFO,

1:00:31 their chief financial officer, bringing him into his office and saying, "Okay,

1:00:36 you need to hit these profit margins or people are going to be

1:00:39 fired and it's going to be your fault that they're going to be fired."

1:00:43 For me, like what sort of ultimately broke me

1:00:46 in my Blizzard career was I got called in the CFO's office.

1:00:53 D.

1:00:54 He sits me down and he says, he gives me a date,

1:01:00 which at the time was 2020 and was going to slip to 2021,

1:01:05 but at the time it was 2020.

1:01:07 And he said Overwatch has to make in 2020.

1:01:12 This is, by the way, this is this is insane to me.

1:01:14 This is so insane to me because how do you predict that?

1:01:18 You can't predict how much money something is going to make.

1:01:20 You can you can make a like an you

1:01:23 can make an educated sort of prediction like projection.

1:01:27 Sorry.

1:01:28 You can make an educ like an educated projection to some degree.

1:01:31 Yes, I understand that.

1:01:32 But you don't know exactly how much money it's going to make.

1:01:36 You know what I mean?

1:01:37 That to me that's like insane.

1:01:39 Then every year after that it needs a

1:01:42 you can kind of forecast a little bit but like it's like come on.

1:01:45 like you didn't make however billion dollars or whatever, you know,

1:01:49 in 2020 and then every year after that it needs a recurring revenue.

1:01:57 He says to me if it doesn't do dollars true the context matters.

1:02:04 We're going to lay off a thousand people and that's going to be on you.

1:02:08 That that is especially crazy.

1:02:09 And that was just the biggest[ __] you moment I had in my career.

1:02:14 It felt surreal to be in that condition.

1:02:17 And as somebody who's worked on a lot of games, made a lot of games.

1:02:22 You get in these meetings where they're like,

1:02:23 "There's Fortnite has 1,400 people working on it.

1:02:27 If you just hire 1,400 people and make it free to play, we'll make that money,

1:02:33 right?" And that was I I had believed I would never work any place but Blizzard.

1:02:40 I loved it.

1:02:41 It was a part of who I was.

1:02:43 Um, and I felt I was a part of it and I literally

1:02:46 thought I would retire from a place I never thought the day would come.

1:02:50 That particular CFO is no longer working at Blizzard,

1:02:52 but I do believe that this is sort

1:02:55 of what lies at the core of the company today.

1:02:58 It's just this sort of brutal corporate atmosphere

1:03:00 that really stifles any sort of creative integrity.

1:03:04 Hey, you stop bullying the multi-billion dollar company.

1:03:09 So, along with the classic bus announcement, I am also expecting level boost,

1:03:13 WOW tokens, other similar forms of monetization, probably not at launch,

1:03:18 but most likely in the months following the launch,

1:03:21 which I think is just something that you're going to have

1:03:23 to accept if you want to play it is my prediction.

1:03:25 People have been asking if I'll play it.

1:03:27 I don't know.

1:03:28 I haven't actually played in over a year.

1:03:30 Ever since I got into OSRS, it's been more than enough for me.

1:03:33 But I've kind of grown to accept that I wouldn't be

1:03:36 able to resist the heroine unless it just looks really terrible.

1:03:41 But yeah, we'll see.

1:03:42 No promises either way.

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1:03:53 Yeah.

1:03:54 Uh we love Mad Season.

1:03:56 Mad Season, longtime friend, just great dude.

1:03:59 All around we love Mad Season.

1:04:01 Yeah, man.

1:04:02 I mean, I think um I mean I think he makes a lot of fair points here, right?

1:04:08 like uh unfortunately for Blizzard, but fortunately for us,

1:04:12 I think for a lot of people like kind of coming

1:04:14 from the private server community and um like for me,

1:04:19 I'm I'm like, you know, OG private server community, not not from Turtle,

1:04:22 like I understand what the expectation is and and I'll tell you,

1:04:28 um a lot of where that push for classic WoW came

1:04:35 from originally came from Nostalas and like that whole sort of like um

1:04:41 that whole sort of storyline doing the progress progressive itemization um doing

1:04:47 the progressive itemization doing the the Blizzike

1:04:50 patch cycle and all these things.

1:04:51 So back in like 2018 2019 whenever classic

1:04:55 got announced and all this stuff happened uh like

1:04:58 I had a chance to like actually go

1:05:00 to Blizzard and and it was very private, right?

1:05:02 But but I would talk to them a lot

1:05:03 and I kept in touch with people like Omar Gonzalez like

1:05:07 very very closely and and was regularly talking about like

1:05:09 the development of classic and and what what people would want.

1:05:13 And one of the things that came up

1:05:14 is I pushed for Perezization really really hard.

1:05:18 the concept of the items getting updated with like the normal patch cycle.

1:05:22 Uh they didn't budge on that one unfortunately and I think

1:05:24 that was a key element of what made those private servers so good.

1:05:27 One of the other key elements was the amount of patches that there were.

1:05:31 Vanilla WoW had 11 patches and while you didn't exactly need 11 patches,

1:05:35 you definitely needed like probably eight.

1:05:38 like you you needed a lot of patches uh for a consistent content release,

1:05:42 but also to separate some things out uh with, you know,

1:05:47 keeping things interesting and also like having uh like content wise,

1:05:51 but then also like the the scaling of the game, right?

1:05:54 Um originally Blizzard only wanted to have four patches for Classic WoW.

1:05:59 They wanted to have one patch that was for each like flagship raid,

1:06:02 kind of treating it like retail.

1:06:04 And this is something that they've done in retail for years.

1:06:06 One patch equals one new raid tier.

1:06:08 And they wanted to have four for molten core on launch.

1:06:13 They wanted molten core on launch,

1:06:15 then they wanted uh so really this is like three patches, right?

1:06:19 So one on launch and then they wanted BWL like six months later and then

1:06:23 they wanted AQ like six months after that or and six months like roughly, right?

1:06:28 And then six months after that they would do Knack

1:06:30 and then maybe after six months they would do who knows, right?

1:06:34 Maybe they go Burning Crusader or whatever.

1:06:36 Um, what I said is this is going to kill your game.

1:06:40 Like, this is just not going to work.

1:06:41 You need to have I said you need eight,

1:06:44 but at at the bare minimum, you need six patches.

1:06:47 And they actually ended up budging.

1:06:48 They said, "Okay, we're not going to do this.

1:06:49 You're right." And then they ended up doing seven.

1:06:51 So, pretty good.

1:06:53 Uh, cuz if they ended up doing four patches,

1:06:56 I think it would have just killed the game like straight up.

1:06:58 Uh vanilla is very different than how it is in the later expansions.

1:07:04 Like even Burning Crusade is like four patches.

1:07:07 Wrath I think is three, you know.

1:07:09 Uh but vanilla specifically,

1:07:11 like how you need to treat vanilla, it's very delicate.

1:07:14 All MMOs are very delicate.

1:07:16 But it's like stuff like that.

1:07:18 And there's a lot more, right?

1:07:19 You know, I'm I'm gonna kind of keep it to this video,

1:07:21 but um yeah, I think this is a great video for Mad Season, man.

1:07:26 I I think I think Mad Season is still great.

1:07:28 Um, so yeah, it's cool.

1:07:30 It's cool to see him making a classic plus video like this.

1:07:33 I don't know.

1:07:34 I mean, I think a lot of people think it's gonna come at Blizzcon.

1:07:36 I think if they do bring it at Blizzcon, they've teased it a bunch.

1:07:42 I might be a crackhead,

1:07:44 but I feel like it wouldn't make sense for them to put out

1:07:49 a Wrath Anniversary and Classic Plus at the same time or same year or something.

1:07:54 I think overlapping them would be dumb, but then again,

1:07:58 Blizzard just happens to like keep doing this thing

1:08:01 where they just like obviously make the wrong decision.

1:08:08 So, who knows?

1:08:09 Who knows?

1:08:10 Um, my my prediction is that they'll have Classic Plus,

1:08:15 not next year, not in 2027,

1:08:17 but it will be 2028, and then 2027 will be their Wrath of the Lich King year.

1:08:21 So yeah, but yeah talking about Yeah.

1:08:31 Uh Wrath next year and Classic Plus end of end of the year will check out.

1:08:34 Yeah, I think so.

1:08:36 Um 2028 is so late for Classic Plus hypewise maybe.

1:08:44 Damn shit-talking Blizzard after they invited you.

1:08:48 Why do you think they invited me?

1:08:53 I'm keeping it real.

1:08:54 Like, why do you think Why do you think they invited me?

1:08:56 You know, they're cuz it's because I'm brutally honest.

1:09:05 Hey, all the way.

1:09:05 Hey, dude.

1:09:07 10 years ago or however eight years

1:09:08 ago whenever I first started talking to them.

1:09:11 I'm very honest, but I'm not like mean or rude about it.

1:09:15 Like, I'm just like,

1:09:15 "This is exactly what I think and this is why." And and I like I always

1:09:19 have like some sort of like logical explanation

1:09:21 or or at least semi-logical explanation for it.

1:09:25 And I think people really appreciate that because

1:09:28 you need to you need to hear these things.

1:09:29 You need to hear um you can't surround yourself with yesmen.

1:09:34 You'll never it'll never be good, you know.

1:10:18 typing typing typing.

1:10:25 Uh let's see.

1:10:28 No concurs chat.

1:10:29 Uh I concur.

1:10:32 You need yes fans, not yes mans.

1:10:34 True.

1:10:34 I played on the best of that.

1:10:36 Oh, really?

1:10:36 I've never heard of it.

1:10:39 Phase two in a few days.

1:10:45 Simple fools.

1:10:46 Oh my gosh, look at this.

1:10:48 So, this is Hurricane.

1:10:51 10 years ago, he made this video.

1:10:56 He This guy This guy works for Blizzard now.

1:10:59 Private server guy.

1:11:00 I refuse to conceive their feet.

1:11:05 All realities, all dimensions are opened to me.

1:11:14 Surely you did not think you could win.

1:11:23 I did not wish to know myself by engaging your kind,

1:11:28 but you leave me little choice.

1:11:32 Bell under what is I'll be the boy.

1:11:49 This is a good rage here.

1:11:51 I have not come this far to be stopped.

1:11:53 Future I have planned will not be jeopardized.

1:11:56 The preer version of that vi is of that fight is amazing.

1:12:01 The pre-erve version of the Chaos fight is so good, dude.

1:12:18 So, good.

1:12:26 Uh, real quick, and I'll and I'll do this.

1:12:28 Um, well, I should do this.

1:12:33 So, anyway, just to kind of wrap up the react.

1:12:39 Sorry.

1:12:40 Uh, anyway, just to kind of wrap up the react to um All right, let me do this.

1:12:47 All dimensions, all realities.

1:12:52 Dude, we're changing.

1:12:52 We're like moving some stuff around and I got

1:12:55 to I got to get my room figured out, man.

1:12:59 Will you go over the fights on raid night?

1:13:01 So on Tuesday on Tuesday we're going to go over the fights for my raid group.

1:13:04 Uh, we're going to do we're going to do

1:13:06 Grles and Mags just real quick and then um we're

1:13:11 going to do Grles and Mags real quick and then

1:13:13 we're going to go over the fights on Tuesday.

1:13:33 We're going to do that.

1:13:34 Uh, I still need to do my my tier five atunement, too.

1:13:37 Uh, my my Tempest Keep attunement and I need to kill Nightbane, actually.

1:13:41 Uh, anyway, sorry.

1:13:42 So, so to wrap things up, um,

1:13:51 anyways, uh, everybody should check out Mad Season.

1:13:54 Uh, we love Mad Season here.

1:13:56 He's a he's a good friend for a long time and, uh, it was a great video.

1:14:00 So, you guys can, uh,

1:14:01 if if I'm assuming we're gonna make a reaction video to this.

1:14:03 So, um, you can get a link to his video

1:14:07 in the description below if you guys want to go see that.

1:14:09 So, go go go watch that.

1:14:10 Go leave him a comment, leave him a like.

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1:14:44 Cool.

1:14:46 Uh, stream's not done, but I'm done reacting to that.

1:14:49 I think it was a great video.

1:14:55 Good luck with your other family.

1:14:59 No, stream's not over, chat.

1:15:00 And I will turn on the alerts.

1:15:04 Jim Jage, thank you Jim Jage for the three months.

1:15:12 Great stream.

1:15:13 Glad it's finally over.

1:15:24 Balding.

1:15:25 Okay.

1:15:25 Balding Gage.

1:15:28 Uh, brother, I have three minutes left until I get my plush.

1:15:31 Please don't go Bible thump.

1:15:33 Wait, what?

1:15:33 What plush?

1:15:35 Do we have drops?

1:15:38 Is there wow drops right now?

1:15:42 Your mic arm plus the logo on your shirt

1:15:44 make it look like the state of Minnesota.

1:15:48 Oh, the WOW category has drops right now.

1:15:54 Okay, we'll stay in the WoW section for a little bit for drops,

1:15:58 but then also um I'm I'm probably going

1:16:01 to end up playing more WoW tonight as well,

1:16:04 but not until uh Do we do Balders's Gate first?

1:16:12 I kind of want to do I kind of want to do Balders's Gate.

1:16:16 The Star Forge is always on sale.

1:16:18 Yeah, that's the trick.

1:16:19 You just always say you're up to sale.

1:16:21 As are you not feeling good?

1:16:22 Except for my left eye has been bothering me a little bit.

1:16:24 I should do my atunement.

1:16:25 Yes, I should.

1:16:30 But yeah, I'll do more of the atunement stuff tonight.

1:16:33 Um, what's good?

1:16:36 What's up?

1:16:37 What's up, Warth Worm?

1:16:38 How are you, man?

1:16:39 Uh, oh, I do want to react to something else.

1:16:41 Oh, this will be a Okay, I'm gonna react to this video.

1:16:43 It'll be funny.

1:16:43 All right, chat, you guys play along.

1:16:45 Okay.

1:17:00 I think this would be such a funny bait react.

1:17:03 Dude, some of these people were so triggered, dude.

1:17:06 just like the the social awareness is.

1:17:08 So, okay, another uh we're I actually want to make a video

1:17:13 video out of this, but you guys need to play along.

1:17:15 Okay.

1:17:36 Okay, so apparently there's this Wowhead article that went out uh earlier today,

1:17:42 and I think this is worth looking

1:17:43 at because it's kind of um it's very speculative,

1:17:48 but it's really really interesting to think about.

1:17:50 So, uh did Blizzard invite streamers to test Classic Plus last week?

1:17:59 Last week, WoW Classic content creator uh Zaryu announced

1:18:02 that he would be visiting Blizzard headquarters in Irvine, California.

1:18:05 While Zaryu was unable to say why he was invited to visit,

1:18:08 many in the community began to speculate that this could

1:18:11 be related to the mysterious next chapter for WoW,

1:18:14 known by the community as Classic Plus.

1:18:19 Okay.

1:18:19 Wow.

1:18:20 Okay.

1:18:23 So, hold on.

1:18:23 What did he What did he say?

1:18:26 the freak.

1:18:32 I did just get approval to say that I will be gone a little bit next week.

1:18:43 Bad news because I am visiting Blizzard next week.

1:18:50 What?

1:18:51 Good news for something that I cannot say, but I will be there.

1:18:58 And I just got permission to say that.

1:19:03 What?

1:19:02 I can't say what it's for, but I will be visiting Blizzard.

1:19:13 That's insane.

1:19:14 Next week.

1:19:15 I mean, but this could mean this could mean like a million things.

1:19:17 Can we get a clip on that real quick?

1:19:21 That could mean like a million things.

1:19:25 As the week continued on, other prominent WoW classic content creators

1:19:29 began to show up at Blizzard campus in Southern California as well,

1:19:32 including Sand Guzu Savics and Sodapoffin.

1:19:36 Who are these guys?

1:19:38 Guzu Savics and Sodapin.

1:19:40 Who are that's insane.

1:19:42 Okay.

1:19:43 Um, had a great time at Blizzard campus.

1:19:47 Okay.

1:19:54 Okay.

1:19:54 Uh, while none of the streamers have disclosed

1:19:56 the reason for their visit to Blizzard campus,

1:19:58 all these content creators have heavy involvement

1:19:59 in the classic community and have spoken

1:20:01 about what they would like to see in a future version of WoW Classic.

1:20:03 But what exactly is Classic Plus?

1:20:05 Well, there's much debate over what the future game could be.

1:20:08 Sand recently summarized his Classic Plus wish list.

1:20:12 Okay.

1:20:13 Uh, while opinions vary, many in the community believe that classic plus

1:20:16 should be an extension of the vanilla WoW

1:20:18 world where characters do not progress beyond level

1:20:21 60 and maybe the dark portal never even opens,

1:20:23 many site the Burning Crusade pre- patch is a great starting point

1:20:27 with access to new spells and talents that help balance the specializations.

1:20:31 Yeah, I mean like I think this is actually pretty much exactly how I feel.

1:20:36 Burning Crusade pre- patch is a great starting point.

1:20:39 Um, the Dar portal never opens.

1:20:41 I mean, this is something that I've been saying for a long time.

1:20:43 Uh, I don't know.

1:20:46 I I don't know what these guys even talked about or I don't know what these guys

1:20:50 said or what or even I don't even know why these guys were invited to be honest.

1:20:53 Uh, but like to to me,

1:20:56 I think this is this is it's definitely concerning because who are these people?

1:21:02 Like why did they invite them?

1:21:03 I think this is a huge concern.

1:21:04 It's super weird that they invited them.

1:21:06 Um, Season of Discovery was a great experimental

1:21:10 project and many players agree that the rune system

1:21:13 went too far and the seasonal game mode

1:21:16 was a little too different from the original classic.

1:21:19 What many players do agree on, I mean, I would agree with this.

1:21:22 Yeah, what many players do agree on is

1:21:24 the expansion of content that Sod provided.

1:21:26 Kerazan crypts and Scarlet Enclave raid.

1:21:29 There are so many other pieces of content

1:21:30 that could exist within the vanilla setting,

1:21:32 including Gilaeus, Oldm, Mount Hydrol, Grim Batl,

1:21:35 Deleran, Twilight Highlands, Tim Hold, Karazan.

1:21:38 The list goes on.

1:21:39 The amount of content that could exist in a vanilla setting is staggering.

1:21:43 That's why many content creators and members

1:21:45 of the community believe that a future

1:21:47 version of Classic set in the original world of Azeroth is on the way.

1:21:52 Really?

1:21:53 Could Blizzard be planning to reveal this new

1:21:55 forever classic game mode at Blizzcon later this year?

1:21:59 Only time will tell.

1:22:00 I mean, I don't necessarily know if a Classic Plus would be forever classic.

1:22:04 Uh, why do you think content creators were invited to Blizzard Campus last week?

1:22:08 Do you think it has to do with the development

1:22:10 of Classic Plus or could it be something else?

1:22:12 Let us know your thoughts in the comments down below.

1:22:14 Um, I mean, I think this is kind of weird.

1:22:17 Uh, I think this is kind of weird, right?

1:22:19 Like, it's just kind of this crazy thing.

1:22:23 Um, personally, I I I don't really care for or really know any of these people.

1:22:29 Um, and it's like, why would you invite them?

1:22:33 Uh, streamers ruin everything they touch.

1:22:36 And I let me I haven't thought of a reason as to why.

1:22:40 Um, I hate streamers so much yet, but I just hate them.

1:22:44 I hate them so much.

1:22:46 So, I really think it was stupid that Blizzard did this.

1:22:49 Uh, and I hate Blizzard and I hate the streamers as well.

1:22:53 I can't get I mean just streamers are just so obnoxious.

1:22:56 Um, but why do you guys think they invited them?

1:23:06 That's next time you're in Alabama, hit me up.

1:23:08 We eat crack and I'll share.

1:23:10 I'm Thank you, but I'm not interested.

1:23:20 play Wad Classic.

1:23:22 Um, is that Blizzard are going to save on testing?

1:23:25 More like turtle miners.

1:23:31 Dude, I I will say this.

1:23:32 It It's actually insane.

1:23:34 Blizzard needs to stop giving streamers the time

1:23:37 of day as does anyone following them.

1:23:40 says the person paying for Wowhead like like like come on.

1:23:54 You know what I mean?

1:23:55 Like it's like people are just so angry and jealous.

1:24:00 Yeah.

1:24:01 Still blows my mind that people give their hardearned money to these dudes.

1:24:05 Just lau honey.

1:24:06 I'm sending Espan $100 a month.

1:24:09 He definitely needs it more than we Wait, why me?

1:24:14 It makes these people so mad.

1:24:19 How, dude?

1:24:20 How do they get this angry?

1:24:26 Isn't that Chance guy dating some anime picture?

1:24:28 Sus Savage, thank you for the 65 months.

1:24:35 Thank you, dude.

1:24:40 Oh, it's so funny.

1:24:42 It's so funny, dude.

1:24:43 Oh, it is so funny.

1:24:52 Here's a hundo.

1:24:53 You need it more than me.

1:24:55 Yeah.

1:24:55 Yeah, exactly.

1:24:57 Real croen.

1:24:57 Thank you for the $100.

1:24:58 Thank you.

1:25:03 Uh, let's see.

1:25:05 Thank you for the 100 bits.

1:25:06 Real crowded.

1:25:07 Thank you, dude.

1:25:09 Uh, if they want classic, they could coax Jean some of the original

1:25:12 team out of retirement and give them cart blanch.

1:25:14 I presume many of those streamers are

1:25:15 serious about Blizzard and Classic Plus, right?

1:25:17 But they're not game designers.

1:25:18 Actually, you know what?

1:25:18 This is true, but it's You know what's the funniest thing about this article?

1:25:28 Actually, here's the funniest thing about this article.

1:25:33 Literally nobody knows or says anything about any

1:25:36 about having anything to do with classic plus.

1:25:46 Isn't it funny?

1:25:56 Isn't it funny?

1:25:59 Yo, the only things Jews are good for is muting,

1:26:02 putting on in the background for four hours to get a Twitch drop.

1:26:04 Dude, these people are so angry.

1:26:06 Streamers literally made Classic happen.

1:26:10 Streamers with Streamers with the push that made Classic happen.

1:26:16 It's like the game that they're obsessing

1:26:17 over and they spent their entire lives playing.

1:26:21 I hate these streamers, dude.

1:26:24 It's actually crazy.

1:26:27 It's so funny.

1:26:32 Slipped up with how NDAs are.

1:26:34 I can guarant slip up.

1:26:35 If you delete anything or said it by accident, it's a marketing stunt.

1:26:37 Carefully planned.

1:26:38 Dude is probably allowed as the only one that makes Dude, that's not so funny.

1:26:50 People will always do this thing too where they'll

1:26:53 say this or they'll say that and be like, "Oh, oh, Savic said it on his stream.

1:26:58 Savic said it.

1:26:59 You can talk about it." But that's so funny.

1:27:18 Today's stream is 7 hours long.

1:27:19 78.

1:27:19 I'm not watching over seven hours of random for one time.

1:27:22 No, it isn't.

1:27:22 I think a lot of people are uh either you

1:27:25 or someone else right segment you speak of or you

1:27:27 provide us an accurate time stamp but going

1:27:28 on like shoot a case in plain my two cents.

1:27:34 Oh my gosh, dude.

1:27:39 These are the exact people I don't want influencing Classic Plus.

1:27:41 It's the fastest way to ruin it before it launches.

1:27:42 Most streamers have no idea what they're talking about and aren't

1:27:44 in touch with normal activities like farming gold is a simple example.

1:27:46 Please keep these people away from the development of the game.

1:27:48 Dude, it's crazy cuz like it these people have

1:27:56 no idea how bad Classic 2019 would have been.

1:28:02 They have no idea.

1:28:03 It would have been it.

1:28:04 No, it's Dude, fact.

1:28:08 All streamers that were anti-streamer died.

1:28:10 That's actually true.

1:28:12 All the anti-streamer servers in 2019 died.

1:28:15 Remember that?

1:28:20 It's so funny.

1:28:21 Yeah, the guy's name is actual troll fact.

1:28:29 Streamers just going to play for three months and move on.

1:28:31 That's true.

1:28:32 That's not true.

1:28:33 People always say that, but it's just not true.

1:28:36 Now, it depends.

1:28:37 Different streamers play differently, right?

1:28:39 Some streamers are bad streamers like myself and we like the game too much

1:28:45 and we keep playing it even though you

1:28:47 should move on and go stream something else.

1:28:49 100%.

1:28:50 I absolutely agree.

1:28:51 But some of those streamers that are bad

1:28:54 like myself are they're too they care way the hell too much for this game when

1:28:58 they should have quit it like six years ago.

1:29:01 Okay.

1:29:03 But I for some reason can't help myself because I'm stupid.

1:29:10 You know what I mean?

1:29:12 We play classic Classic Plus if it's not based on TBC.

1:29:16 Um, I mean, I think Classic Plus I think the starting point

1:29:31 point of the design needs to be the Burning Crusade pre- patch,

1:29:34 but I think it should be based on vanilla.

1:29:40 I thought you stopped playing WoW for a long time.

1:29:42 I stopped playing Well, here's the thing.

1:29:44 I only really play Burning Crusade and vanilla.

1:29:47 So, my version of WoW didn't really exist.

1:29:50 And I and I didn't really have anything I wanted to do in vanilla again,

1:29:54 but I did want to do Burning Crusade again.

1:29:59 So, it's like I just don't play

1:30:01 the other versions because I just don't like them.

1:30:11 So anyway, you don't like Wrath?

1:30:16 No, not really.

1:30:19 A dude just came out of the portal like an orc.

1:30:22 They're invading.

1:30:28 They going to take on new classes for Classic Plus.

1:30:30 I don't think they should do any new classes now.

1:30:32 Uh, I think as far as new races go, I think high elves and ogres.

1:30:48 I just think high elves and ogres is the play.

1:30:54 I don't I don't like goblin.

1:30:55 I like goblin staying as a neutral race.

1:30:57 I don't like murloc.

1:31:00 I think Merlocks are too stupid.

1:31:12 Yeah, but you like Goblin D's nuts.

1:31:14 What the I worry Classic Plus will never end up in the same

1:31:18 spot as retail if they have the same monetary focus as retail.

1:31:21 I think that but also like the game needs soul, man.

1:31:31 The game needs soul.

1:31:33 And I think what happens whenever whenever a game goes on for too long,

1:31:39 people kind of optimize the soul out of it.

1:31:41 And you see this with everything.

1:31:42 You see this with the player base.

1:31:43 You see this with the devs.

1:31:45 You see this with everything about this game and everything about MMOs.

1:31:51 Like I I truly believe this.

1:31:53 I think there's there's like I think there's four people

1:32:01 basically I think the people that truly understand what WoW

1:32:07 is at its core in classic oh man it's so

1:32:13 I mean I don't want to limit it to these people

1:32:16 but like there's a number of them okay I would

1:32:21 say there's a handful of people that truly understand what WoW

1:32:25 Classic really is and what what World of Warcraft and emphasis

1:32:29 on World of Warcraft really is from a gameplay perspective.

1:32:34 I mean, obviously Chris Metson is Chris Metson lore, all that stuff,

1:32:38 but I'm talking about what it is from like a the game design perspective.

1:32:42 It's a handful of people that really get it.

1:32:50 Jeff Cap Jeff Kaplan, Tom Chilton,

1:32:57 Rob Partardeau, Alan Adamham, and Kevin Jordan.

1:33:05 I would say that handful of people who who

1:33:15 really I'm really really get it and Michael Jordan.

1:33:27 Yo, what's up, Gio?

1:33:30 Like, I think I think Yeah, if you didn't say Kevin Jordan, I was going to riot.

1:33:34 Yeah, and don't don't get me wrong, right?

1:33:36 I have a lot of respect for a lot of these other people.

1:33:38 Like I like for example,

1:33:39 I've I've I've talked to a lot of these people and like people that are

1:33:42 current but I'm so I'm talking about

1:33:43 the core of classic WoW when it first started.

1:33:46 Okay.

1:33:49 But like that's why whenever I've had the chance like I I

1:33:53 I've never talked to Alan Adam or Tom Chilton or Rob Partardeau, right?

1:33:57 But I've gotten to talk extensively with a lot

1:33:59 of these people like like Jeff Kaplan is

1:34:01 dude talking to somebody like a Jeff Kaplan or a Kevin Jordan is is such a joy.

1:34:07 Like it's like you you feel like when you're talking to them,

1:34:11 you can't help but turn into a sponge because everything they say when

1:34:16 they're talking about game design or whether talking about WoW or other games,

1:34:20 like it's it's gold.

1:34:22 Like you you you have to listen and you have to you you really have

1:34:25 to like everything these guys are saying like

1:34:27 you have to learn from it, you know?

1:34:30 It's it's like I feel so lucky to get to talk to some of these guys.

1:34:34 Now, with that being said,

1:34:39 there's some people that are you want to know who's the one person?

1:34:59 Actually, I'm not even gonna say this one because

1:35:03 nobody's gonna nobody's gonna believe me or agree with me.

1:35:05 So, there's no point in saying it.

1:35:09 So, never mind.

1:35:10 There is one person out there that I'm I'm like,

1:35:15 and I think this happens to a lot of people where you're like, okay.

1:35:22 But then like then I've talked to him and then

1:35:24 he like repeats back to me some of the things

1:35:26 that I say and I like I very strongly believe about

1:35:29 WoW and the design of Classic WoW and all these things.

1:35:33 Sequia, thank you for the raid.

1:35:35 What's up, man?

1:35:35 Hope you're doing good.

1:35:39 Yeah, what's up everybody?

1:35:40 Thank you for the raid, dude.

1:35:41 Yeah, we're talking about a little bit of uh of of classic WoW classic plus.

1:35:45 I'm going to play some Ballers Gate today here.

1:35:47 Sorry, I turned off followers only mode.

1:35:49 Thank you for the 93 months by the way.

1:35:52 Sequia.

1:35:56 Yo, thank you, dude.

1:35:57 Thank you for the raid, too, man.

1:36:00 But yeah.

1:36:01 Yeah, we got to like look if a if a classic plus happens,

1:36:05 if a classic plus happens, we got to play with Sequia.

1:36:07 That'd be great.

1:36:10 I just finished Ballers Gate 3 run.

1:36:11 Yeah, we're gonna Ballers Gate.

1:36:13 So, uh, but anyway, I was going to say there's one guy I'm not going to say

1:36:19 that I've I've gotten a chance to talk to and I was like it's almost like

1:36:24 it's funny because he says a lot of the things that I agree with even like like

1:36:31 kind of some like crazy takes that I

1:36:33 don't really hear a lot of people talking about.

1:36:34 He's like repeated these things to me and I'm like, "Huh?

1:36:38 Wait, what?" And it like it's just kind of surprising, but maybe someday.

1:36:43 Maybe someday I'll tell you.

1:36:45 So yeah.

1:36:50 Yeah.

1:36:51 Dragon Ball Z mod for Balls Gate 3.

1:36:53 Really?

1:36:54 Sunday.

1:36:54 Pog.

1:36:55 It is Sunday.

1:36:56 Do you uh really not think that a new

1:36:58 game huge reset will happen after Last Titan?

1:37:00 I don't know.

1:37:05 I don't know.

1:37:18 Uh, classic reverse.

1:37:20 We start at level one in Eastern Plan Sith 16 original starting zones.

1:37:23 You know what would be another really interesting thing to talk about?

1:37:27 And maybe I'll save this for another time.

1:37:28 Maybe I'll save this for another video, but I'll tease it once I once I

1:37:41 have my thoughts gathered a little bit better better.

1:37:47 Do the events of World When do the events of World of Warcraft happen?

1:37:51 Is it 10 years after Warcraft 3, five years after?

1:37:57 I'm trying to see.

1:38:07 So you have the first war, the second war, and the third war.

1:38:11 Then World of Warcraft.

1:38:12 Oh, okay.

1:38:16 World of Warcraft happens in year 617 by the King's calendar.

1:38:29 Okay, so World of Warcraft happens five years after Warcraft 3 in the timeline.

1:38:48 What if it was one year?

1:38:57 Well, I guess one year after is the battle of Mount Hyel.

1:39:01 One year after that is the Frozen Throne.

1:39:11 Oh, wait.

1:39:12 Hold on.

1:39:12 The world tree of Teldrasil is planted off the shore of Darkshore.

1:39:16 Okay, so I guess I guess this has

1:39:19 to be like the great lakeshshire drought and the great

1:39:23 iron forge flood caused a portal being opened within

1:39:25 the lake to iron forge without a liquid filter.

1:39:27 Wait, what?

1:39:28 What is this cycle of hat?

1:39:28 Wait, what is this?

1:39:41 Wait, what?

1:39:48 I know that's just some like[ __] they threw in there, I think.

1:39:54 Didn't What What Warcraft was it that that Iron

1:39:57 Forge was or sorry that Stormwind got destroyed?

1:40:04 Was it was it Warcraft 2?

1:40:11 Was it Warcraft 1?

1:40:15 Dude, imagine if they made Classic Plus Ruins of Stormwind.

1:40:21 Stormwind is gone and you have the ruins of Stormwind and Classic

1:40:25 Plus was actually classic minus and they went back in time.

1:40:31 Holy, that would be crazy.

1:40:36 That would be insane.

1:40:39 and and the instead of having Stormwind and Varian Ren,

1:40:46 Anduin Ren, King Arthus Menithil of Lord Ron.

1:40:54 Holy cinema and there's no undead.

1:41:01 There's no undead for the Horde.

1:41:05 They don't exist yet.

1:41:08 Uther lives absolute cinema where World of Warcraft actually

1:41:16 instead of it being way after Warcraft 1 and two,

1:41:20 it's actually starts where Warcraft 1 is.

1:41:26 That would be insane.

1:41:31 Then you would have no Lich King.

1:41:32 And wow, that Lich King can't exist.

1:41:34 What if a Lich King?

1:41:35 No, there there will always be a Lich King.

1:41:41 But that story has already been told.

1:41:43 But what if it was told as an MMO?

1:41:49 That would be crazy.

1:41:54 Sometimes bro cooks so much that I'm worried that Gordon

1:41:56 Ramsay is going to do a Kitchen Nightmares episodes on him.

1:42:02 All right, whatever.

1:42:03 All right, I'm just I'm just I'm just spouting off some random thoughts now.

1:42:06 But anyway, I think I think everybody's idea for a classic

1:42:10 plus is pretty much the same thing, like the baseline.

1:42:12 And I think a lot of it that's why

1:42:14 like there's not like a huge degree of creativity.

1:42:16 It's just what version of that, right?

1:42:19 Like the turtle wow kind of kind of blueprint, you know, oh,

1:42:22 open up Hyel, you know, old caverns of time, this that, whatever, right?

1:42:27 It's it's things that are everybody obviously wants that.

1:42:29 And I think it's it's less about the what and more about the how.

1:42:34 How are they going to implement these things within the game uh in a way

1:42:39 that fits that it feels like classic and in a way that is just good?

1:42:48 Is it good at the end of the day?

1:42:50 Is it classic?

1:42:51 Is it good?

1:42:54 And are people going to like it?

1:42:56 We'll see.

1:42:57 I don't know.

1:42:59 I don't know.

1:43:00 I hope so.

1:43:02 I do hope so.

1:43:04 In the end, it's just Zug Zug.

1:43:05 Maybe Classic Plus is a board game.

1:43:10 All right.

1:43:10 Anyways, uh I don't know.

1:43:12 This might this might be another video or not.

1:43:13 I don't know how how Goreax would want to pack package this, but anyway,

1:43:17 we talk about a lot of stuff on my stream

1:43:20 and talk about a lot of different games, a lot of different gaming news.

1:43:22 I I did start uh kind of my stream streaming kind of content creation kind

1:43:27 of began with Classic WoW and all this stuff

1:43:29 and uh way before Classic actually came out.

1:43:31 Uh I was a big private server guy.

1:43:33 Got banned and uh was was one of the guys kind

1:43:36 of leading the charge for Classic to even become a thing.

1:43:39 So it's kind of cool to see where we are now like eight nine years later.

1:43:43 And uh I hope you guys enjoy I hope you guys enjoyed the video.

1:43:46 I hope you guys enjoyed being part of the community.

1:43:47 Leave a comment, leave a like, let me know what you think.

1:43:49 And we'll see you guys next time.

1:43:57 Okay.

1:43:57 Uh, good YouTube video.

1:44:01 Uh, you guys ready to play some Balders's Gate?

1:44:04 Dude, my left eye is bugging out.

1:44:48 Um, chat, you ready for boulders?

1:44:50 I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to go to the bathroom.

1:44:52 Dude, yesterday I felt bad, by the way.

1:44:55 I was freaking I was pooping a lot.

1:45:08 Order food.

1:45:09 Get Taco Bell.

1:45:11 Taco Bell.

1:45:12 Taco Bell.

1:45:12 Product placement.

1:45:13 Taco Bell.

1:45:25 Can you play Diablo 4 so I can gift the sub for the drop?

1:45:28 Okay, Chad, if you guys want to gift a sub for the uh for the drop,

1:45:32 I'm going to go in the Diablo 4 section,

1:45:33 go to the bathroom, and then whenever I come back,

1:45:35 we'll be in the uh uh we'll be in the uh uh Balders Gate section.

1:45:39 I'm going to stop the YouTube stream as well,

1:45:42 and I'm going to I'm going to here studio.youtube.com.

1:45:48 Good scan.

1:45:51 How do you do?

1:46:04 I got banned on Emu's stream for saying that's

1:46:05 a lot of you a joke as first message.

1:46:07 I mean any gifters wide hard do any wide.

1:46:11 I mean that makes sense cuz it's like inflammatory, right?

1:46:17 like like you're accusing somebody of doing something bad

1:46:19 and if it's it's like a first- time message,

1:46:21 they don't they don't know if you're joking or anything like that either, right?

1:46:24 So, like it's it's kind of like what do what do you expect is going to happen?

1:46:36 You know what I mean?

1:46:37 Any gifters any bastard, thank you for the gifted.

1:46:40 Leafy Eric.

1:46:41 Thank you for the gifted.

1:46:47 I'd be offended if they weren't viewing.

1:46:49 I mean, it's still like accusatory, right?

1:46:50 It's still It's still not good.

1:46:56 Like, imagine like, hey, it's like, hey, any gift or

1:47:01 you're doing a crime and you're not doing a crime,

1:47:02 people are accusing you something.

1:47:03 Like, that's not going to feel very good, right?

1:47:07 But then whenever you say like, "Oh,

1:47:08 why would they be offended if they if they weren't doing this?" Then it kind

1:47:11 of goes in line with like the like it's like a damned if you do,

1:47:14 damned if you don't.

1:47:14 It's like the guy didn't even do anything.

1:47:16 And then you're blaming them, you know?

1:47:28 Anyway, here we go.

1:47:29 Uh YouTube chat, I'm going to send you guys over to the other VOD.

1:47:33 It's set up to do that right now.

1:47:35 So, we'll send you guys over.

1:47:37 And wait, how do you feel about Reddit Classic Plus leak?

1:47:46 Is it plausible?

1:47:47 I did not see that.

1:47:50 I'll look at it later because we're done with reacts

1:47:52 for the day because we've done like two hours of reacts already.

1:47:54 Uh but yeah, I'll I'll look at it maybe tomorrow.

1:47:58 Uh YouTube