Face the Nation: Wirth, Crow, Warnock

0:00 President Trump met with oil executives this past Tuesday at the White House.

0:04 And we spoke to one of the attendees,

0:06 the chairman and CEO of Chevron, Mike Worth, a few days prior to that meeting,

0:11 and we asked him to describe the global energy shock we're all experiencing.

0:16 The way I would frame it is um the energy

0:20 system uh has lost an incredible amount of flexibility.

0:23 Uh the global economy consumes about 100 million barrels of oil every day.

0:28 barrel is 42 gallons about 20% of that moves through the straight of Hormuz.

0:33 So that's been significantly disrupted.

0:36 Uh normally the energy system has shock absorbers in it.

0:40 So we have inventory in tanks at facilities.

0:44 We've got inventory on the water in ships.

0:47 We've got inventory in strategic reserves.

0:50 All of those have been pulled down over

0:52 the last couple of months as these events have unfolded.

0:55 And what it's done is it's taken those shock

0:57 absorbers and made them much less effective in the system.

1:00 And so disruptions normally um are are u met by moving

1:04 these inventories around and and price u response can be muted.

1:09 Uh as the shock absorbers are withdrawn uh

1:12 the shocks trans translate a little bit more directly.

1:14 And so I I think what he's referring to is we're in a period

1:18 where there's been significant supply taken out of the system and we

1:22 are facing this upward pressure on prices and and volatility that is

1:27 um uh manifest itself thus far and and likely to uh to continue

1:32 if there is an actual negotiated end to the war.

1:35 Do prices come down or is just a truce enough to give relief?

1:40 Well, what what's really needed is for flow

1:42 to resume through the straight of Hormuse.

1:44 You can't take 20% of the energy out of the system,

1:47 and some of it's finding its way around to the Red Sea,

1:50 but there's still a substantial amount of world

1:52 energy supply that is not able to flow.

1:55 And uh and so that's the key thing is to restore that flow.

1:59 It allows markets to begin to rebuild these inventories.

2:02 It allows us to uh get products to where

2:04 they're needed and to alleviate some of the pressure.

2:07 But that that all will take time.

2:08 It's a world where we get logistics of uh ships

2:11 and pipelines and moving things around to markets around the world.

2:15 And so that's why I say I think it's going to be

2:17 with us for some time because even if the straight were to open today,

2:21 uh getting supplies to where they're needed and resuming uh

2:25 the the normal functioning of the system is going to take some time.

2:28 It's not just the straight.

2:30 12 refiners in the Middle East were hit by a missile

2:33 or a drone attack according to Clear View Energy.

2:36 So, the infrastructure itself has been damaged.

2:39 How long does it take to get production back as well?

2:43 Well, it's going to take uh in some cases weeks and months, in some cases years.

2:47 Uh there have been um oil fields that have been

2:50 just shut in because there's no place to store the oil.

2:53 Uh sometimes these fields, it's not like uh turning the tap on your faucet.

2:58 Uh these are complex reservoirs with a lot of subsurface dynamics.

3:01 So, those have to be brought back carefully.

3:03 there's been damage to um upstream,

3:06 midstream and downstream infrastructure like refineries.

3:08 When it comes to the price,

3:10 when we look at what's happening out there on the markets,

3:15 that's one thing that's traders placing bets.

3:18 The American people are looking at the cost when they,

3:20 you know, gas up their car.

3:23 When will things return to pre February 28th and the start of this conflict?

3:28 Yeah, it's it's one of the things I've learned in over 40 years

3:30 in this industry is predicting price

3:32 is extremely difficult even in normal times.

3:35 Markets can surprise you.

3:37 Uh this is not a normal time.

3:38 The dynamics that are affecting supply uh are quite unusual.

3:43 um the potential for that to flow through into the economy

3:46 and maybe slow demand is I think increasing and uh and so

3:50 people use less gas you're saying because certain parts

3:53 of the world um it's not just gas it's LPG for cooking

3:56 in um in South Asia it is jet fuel in Europe

4:00 a number of products are becoming very short in supply

4:03 uh behavior changes u in in a couple of ways

4:06 one people will use less energy second one is people will

4:10 hoard energy uh back uh in the 70s I recall

4:14 uh during the embargo of the US um in my family,

4:18 we would drive around with a car as full as we possibly could.

4:22 Normally people drive around,

4:23 they're comfortable with a half a tank or a quarter tank of gas.

4:25 And so you'll see people will hold on to supplies that otherwise they might not.

4:30 They may use less.

4:31 And so predicting both demand and supply

4:34 in a in a market that's this dynamic is is very difficult.

4:38 Uh I think the key thing is as I said before the shock

4:41 absorbers being drained out of the system

4:43 which means there's this upward pressure

4:45 on price because supply is getting tighter and the ability to resupply is

4:50 getting more difficult and um and that increases

4:52 the likelihood of volatility as well.

4:54 So we can't say that gas prices have peaked for example.

4:58 I I think it's very hard to say that uh because you have to make

5:00 a bunch of assumptions about that and and it depends on what you assume.

5:06 We'll be back with more of our conversation

5:07 with Chevron CEO Mike Worth in a moment.

5:09 Stay with us.

5:15 Welcome back to Face the Nation.

5:17 Here's more now of our conversation with Chevron CEO Mike Worth.

5:21 We're reading about airports running out of jet fuel.

5:25 What's the reality there?

5:26 What what is the supply and what does

5:28 that mean for Americans who might want to travel?

5:30 Yeah, inventories of jet fuel in certain parts of the world

5:33 were at seasonally relatively low levels before the conflict began.

5:38 Uh the Middle East refiners are significant exporters of jet fuel.

5:42 Um particularly to Europe where 75% of Europe's

5:44 imported jet fuel tends to come from those refineries.

5:47 It's not flowing today.

5:49 So uh we are seeing jet fuel tighten very quickly in uh in Europe in Asia.

5:54 And we're seeing uh airlines announced adjustments to their flight schedules.

5:58 We're seeing it flow through into fairs.

6:00 I think that's one of the first places it'll be felt most broadly.

6:03 I mean, we've seen some upward pressure on gasoline prices.

6:06 Now, uh I think aviation is clearly an area where

6:09 it's going to probably get worse over the next few weeks.

6:12 Get worse over the next few weeks, but that still that has a lag effect.

6:15 I mean, what you're saying is if you're buying a trip to Europe,

6:20 expect to pay a heck of a lot more even if it's months from now.

6:24 Yeah.

6:24 Again, I can't predict how the airlines are going to price their their product,

6:28 but um but I think the upward pressure that they're seeing

6:31 on prices and the u the tightness in the market is

6:33 likely to lead to further route optimization and so uh flights

6:38 may not be as abundant as as they otherwise would have been.

6:42 I think planes will probably be more full than they would have been and and yes,

6:45 fairs fairs could be higher.

6:47 You're saying we we don't know enough to actually make hard predictions.

6:51 That's what I hear you saying.

6:52 Yeah, it's, you know, there's a kind of an old axiom that, you know,

6:55 I can tell you the price, I just can't tell you when.

6:57 Um, it's just, it's very difficult to predict

6:59 these things because markets are are um dynamic.

7:02 Uh, they can respond to things that we don't anticipate.

7:06 And the the one reality is that these u these shock absorbers are

7:10 not as um uh effective as you get down to lower levels of inventory.

7:14 And so, I think that's going to be with us for a period of time.

7:17 So the longer the conflict or this period we're in without resolution,

7:21 it's going to continue to I think I think it can extend these market uh effects.

7:27 Can you just turn on production at a moment's notice?

7:31 What difference does this make to you?

7:33 Yeah, I I uh you can't turn on production at a moment's notice.

7:37 Uh it takes engineering, it takes supply chains,

7:40 it takes contracts and and workers moving and being mobilized.

7:43 So it it takes time to uh to bring new production into the market.

7:47 Our company had record production in uh the US last year,

7:50 2 million barrels a day, a million barrels a day in the Perian.

7:52 We're going to grow 7 to 10% again this year.

7:55 So we do have plans underway to deliver more oil to the market.

8:00 So the energy industry famously was at odds

8:03 with the last administration and vice versa.

8:07 in this administration, are you and your fellow CEOs calling

8:14 the White House and saying you're being too optimistic?

8:18 Are you telling them how much strain there is right now?

8:22 Well, one thing I I will say is

8:23 this is an administration that engages the business

8:25 community very regularly and it's uh across the board

8:29 from all different um departments within the government.

8:33 uh they seek dialogue,

8:34 they seek input uh and they're available and accessible in a way that I

8:37 think is very very good particularly at a time at a time like this.

8:41 Uh we engage in discussions with them on a regular basis about uh the situation.

8:45 Uh I had discussions as recently as today about the things

8:48 we're doing to try to ensure reliable supplies into into US markets.

8:52 And so yes, we we speak on a fairly regular basis.

8:55 But you feel you can be honest and say because

8:58 the president is telling the American people gas prices aren't that high.

9:02 his cabinet is telling the American people that prices are about to come down.

9:05 You're telling me that's not that certain at all.

9:09 Well, yeah.

9:10 I'm telling you that the risks kind of skew to the upside right now.

9:13 And the and they know that and the opportunity is for us to res, you know,

9:18 see see flow resume through the straight and then

9:21 at the same time pursue these policies which I think

9:23 the administration really does uh have as a priority

9:26 to continue to encourage investment in uh infrastructure in our economy.

9:30 The IMF director recently told us

9:32 that this is going to last likely through 2026.

9:36 You would say that's an a fair assessment.

9:39 Well, this is a significant shock to the system.

9:41 It is uh reorienting uh trade flows, logistics, ships,

9:47 the entire system is in a state of disequilibrium right

9:50 now that um uh has emerged over the last several weeks.

9:55 And as we get to a resolution at at at some point in time

9:59 to establish a new equilibrium means you're going to have to resume uh flows.

10:03 Uh you're going to have to restart fields to our earlier discussion.

10:06 You're going to have to get ships repositioned

10:08 in in places that are optimal to establish supply.

10:11 So it will take some time.

10:12 It's not it's not a light switch as you said.

10:15 And the full conversation was taped on April 23rd.

10:18 It's available on our YouTube page on our website facenation.com.

10:22 We'll be right back.

10:24 We go now to Colorado Democratic Congressman

10:27 Jason Crowe who's joining us from Sedona,

10:29 Arizona, where he's attending the McCain Institute forum.

10:32 Good morning to you.

10:34 Hi, good morning Margaret.

10:36 So, I want to ask you about some developing news.

10:38 We learned late Friday uh that there was a decision made by Secretary Hegsith

10:43 and the two Republican chairs of the House

10:45 and Senate Armed Services Committees are objecting to it.

10:49 Um, they are very concerned by Hexith's

10:52 order to withdraw a US brigade from Germany.

10:55 They said it was not coordinated with Congress.

10:57 And yesterday, President Trump said on top of the 5,000 that was announced,

11:01 he wants to pull even more troops out of Germany.

11:05 What is the effect of doing so?

11:08 Well, first of all, it's not just a a lack of coordination

11:11 or just Congress's preference that we want this to be on.

11:14 This is law.

11:14 There's actually law in place that both the House and the Senate passed

11:18 on a bipartisan basis that sets certain

11:21 conditions for movement of our troops around Europe.

11:23 And we passed these laws out

11:25 of grave concern for rhetoric by this administration

11:28 in the past that they were going to draw down our presence in Europe,

11:31 which is one of the most important troop uh

11:33 footprints we have in the world that helped secure Europe,

11:36 helps secure our economy,

11:37 helps protect the hundreds of thousands of American

11:40 citizens who live and work on the continent.

11:43 Uh so we we are enforcing the law and the requirements.

11:47 Uh second is it appears as though

11:49 this decision was made because Donald Trump was upset

11:53 by a comment made by the German chancellor like

11:55 he is uh getting emotional and uh angry about

11:58 this and he's making really consequential troop decision

12:02 uh troop movement decisions based upon you know being

12:05 upset by the comments of a foreign leader

12:07 which is no way to run a foreign policy.

12:09 Uh, so we're looking into it and we're going to make sure that any movements,

12:12 if they do occur, are actually in our interests.

12:15 You were talking about the Chancellor of Germany saying

12:18 that a whole nation is being humiliated by the Iranian leadership.

12:21 I mean, that's a pretty strong statement from an ally.

12:25 Um, but in regard to pulling troops out of that country, um,

12:31 we'll we'll still have at least 30,000 troops or so in Germany.

12:36 Um, isn't that still within the legal framework?

12:38 I believe that the floor is set to 76,000 in Europe,

12:42 but the president can go below it if

12:43 he certifies to Congress it's in the national interest.

12:46 Why do you think there is a violation?

12:49 Well, that's exactly the assessment we have to go through.

12:52 You know what we know is that the president is making a decision

12:55 based upon a comment that he didn't like by a foreign leader.

12:58 So, that alone is very concerning to us.

13:00 It should be concerning to every American

13:02 that you have the president of the United States,

13:04 a commander-in-chief who's going to move thousands of troops around just to get

13:08 back at a foreign leader for a comment that he doesn't like.

13:12 But I'm not presumptively against troop movements.

13:14 Like, if we need to move troops

13:15 or brigades around to respond to national security issues,

13:19 we should by all means do that.

13:20 That's the prerogative the of the commander-in-chief.

13:22 Uh when I was in the military, you know,

13:24 we we would we would move forces around all the time.

13:27 My point is we actually have to make sure that this is

13:30 being done according to the risks that our forces are facing,

13:34 that it's being done on the proper timeline because

13:36 moving troops and units around is very risky and exposes

13:40 them to a variety of risks and and that it's

13:42 in the best interest of the United States.

13:44 And right now sitting here, what we know is that this isn't a decision that's

13:47 driven by the best interests of our troops and Americans.

13:51 It's a decision based upon the emotion of Donald Trump.

13:54 Do you think the US can end the war or whatever we're

13:57 in with Iran right now uh without clearing that straight of Hormuz?

14:01 Do you expect a return to combat?

14:04 Well, first of all, it's Iran that's blockading the Straight of Hormuz.

14:08 We're blockading their blockade.

14:10 I think the real question that we should all be asking is does America

14:14 really want to continue to have conflict in the Middle East uh for another,

14:18 you know, 5, 10, 20 years?

14:21 The the problem is is that we have confused as a nation.

14:24 We we have confused as a nation tactics versus strategy.

14:29 Most of the conversation around around Iran is about tactics.

14:32 Should we blockade?

14:33 Uh how do we counter drones?

14:35 Uh you know who who who is moving oil around where.

14:39 What is our strategy?

14:40 Right?

14:41 We spent trillions of dollars in Iraq

14:43 and Afghanistan to replace the Taliban with the Taliban.

14:47 in Iraq to replace Saddam Hussein with ISIS.

14:50 We are not good at having offramps and accomplishing

14:54 large strategic decisions in the Middle East, right?

14:57 And this is just yet another example of that.

14:59 So, let's actually talk strategy and what it is we're trying

15:02 to accomplish here instead of having a constant discussion around blockades.

15:06 So, when Secretary Hegsmith was before your committee this week

15:09 and he was asking for this $1.5 trillion dollar budget request,

15:13 are Democrats going to say no until they get those answers

15:15 or do you have to fund the troops who are in harm's way?

15:19 Well, I'm just going to say no uh regardless of of you know

15:23 what what's going on in one area because we don't need that money, right?

15:27 The the Department of Defense has never passed an audit.

15:31 Never in the history of that department.

15:33 It's the only government agency in the US

15:35 government tell us how how they're spending money.

15:38 We have already we have already funded munition stockpiles amounts.

15:42 And what I am not going to do is continue

15:45 the pattern like we continued Iraq and Afghanistan of throwing good

15:49 money after bad and constantly funding conflicts that never end

15:54 and will not end up in a good result for America.

15:57 Right?

15:58 That is exactly what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan.

16:00 And somebody has to say enough is enough.

16:03 Somebody has to step up and say, "We're just not going to do it." In a president

16:07 that hasn't told us what the strategy is,

16:09 hasn't come to Congress for authorization,

16:12 uh, hasn't even articulated to the American

16:14 people what he's trying to accomplish,

16:16 I am not going to write blank checks to have that cycle continue.

16:20 I'm not going to do it.

16:21 I want to ask you about another decision.

16:23 Um, section 702 is that warrantless surveillance program

16:27 that's used to collect communications of foreigners abroad um,

16:30 when they're including when they're interacting with Americans.

16:33 Your Democratic colleague Jim Heims,

16:34 who is in that powerful position on House intelligence,

16:38 called it the most important foreign intelligence tool America has.

16:42 He said he has seen no evidence that the Trump administration is misu using it.

16:47 Yet you have voted no on a long-term extension.

16:52 What evidence do you have of abuse or violations of it?

16:56 Well, here's the problem we have.

16:58 Jim Heims is right.

16:59 This is an incredibly important tool that helps prevent terrorist attacks.

17:03 It gives us intelligence on our adversaries.

17:05 It helps protect our troops, which is why I've always supported it.

17:08 But right now, in the last year,

17:10 we have seen a president that routinely ignores legal decisions.

17:15 You know, they are they are ignoring more

17:17 than a third of court rulings against them, routinely violating the law.

17:21 Hell, in February, they actually politicized DOJ

17:24 and they tried to put me in prison.

17:26 They tried to indict me and other members of Congress simply for stating

17:29 what the law is and what the obligation of our service members are.

17:32 The committee chair is begging for it to be

17:34 extended and saying there's no misuse of it.

17:37 Well, what what what I am saying is I am not willing

17:39 to give a very long runway to this administration on a very powerful

17:44 intelligence tool when they have routinely shown to the American people

17:48 and to us that they violate the law and they don't respect the law.

17:51 I will do a short-term extension and then we will oversee that program and we

17:56 will guarantee I will look at it hard

17:58 every single month and if they're abusing it,

18:00 if they're strained from the law, then then we pull it back.

18:03 But giving them a three-year runway gets rid of all of our leverage.

18:08 If we give them a three-year reauthorization,

18:10 what are we going to do if a year from now,

18:12 18 months from now, they start violating the program and abusing it?

18:15 We we have no recourse.

18:17 Well, right now it goes until June 12th with this short-term extension.

18:20 Jason Crowe.

18:21 Thank you, Congressman, for joining us this morning.

18:24 We'll be back in a moment.

18:27 Last week, in a 6-3 decision,

18:29 the Supreme Court struck down a Louisiana congressional map

18:33 that had been gerrymandered to create a second majority black district.

18:37 The three liberal justices dissented, saying the ruling would quote,

18:41 "eviscerate a section of the landmark 1965 Voting Rights Act." While

18:46 conservatives in the majority said the decision updated its legal framework,

18:51 Reverend Raphael Waro, Democratic senator from the state of Georgia,

18:55 joins us this morning from Atlanta.

18:58 Welcome back to the program.

19:00 Good morning.

19:02 So, our CBS News legal analyst described this decision as narrowing

19:07 the application of section two of the Voting Rights Act.

19:10 Effectively, it means it's now going to be harder to bring any lawsuits

19:14 claiming that gerrymandering discriminates along racial lines

19:18 unless there is proof of that intent.

19:22 Why do you call that a defeat for American democracy?

19:27 Margaret, let's be clear.

19:28 What happened this week is nothing less than a massive and devastating blow uh

19:35 not only to our democracy but particularly to uh people of color in the south.

19:41 Uh this question about intent is on its

19:45 head uh misleading and and it ignores our history.

19:49 Uh we we had a hundred years after the 15th

19:52 amendment was passed which on paper gave black people the right

19:56 to vote but with supposedly or putitively raceneutral uh methods

20:02 for 100 years uh the right to vote was denied.

20:05 But in more recent history uh the Supreme

20:08 Court this same conservative Supreme Court uh

20:12 hobbled section five of the Voting Rights

20:14 Act in 2013 with uh Shelby versus Holder.

20:18 Since then, we've seen the racial uh turnout

20:22 gap uh get wider and wider, not smaller,

20:27 and it has grown twice as fast in the states that used to be under section five.

20:33 Uh we we will see a devastating impact as a result of this.

20:37 And now more than ever, we've got to stand up and fight for our democracy.

20:41 But but as you just said,

20:42 the Voting Rights Act has been um you know, weighed by the court multiple times,

20:46 including back in 2013, but when it was originally written,

20:51 there were things in place that that don't exist now, right?

20:54 There was a there was a pole tax uh in southern states.

20:58 The law required nine of those states to go get

21:02 federal approval or pre-clarance before they changed their own voting rules.

21:07 Congress in the 80s updated this law.

21:10 Are you of the opinion that the law needs to stand as it was

21:15 originally written or does Congress now need to do some work to update it?

21:21 Listen, I I know that there are those who are tired of the remedy.

21:26 I'm tired of racism.

21:28 Uh I think it's a strange position to be more concerned about uh

21:32 the medicine than you are about the malady uh in that recent history.

21:37 Roberts wrote uh in 2013 uh when they uh gutted section five

21:44 uh that that this racial turnout gap had had gone away.

21:48 and and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, she said, "Look,

21:50 get getting rid of uh the protections of uh

21:54 the voting rights law uh in this moment is like

21:57 getting rid of your umbrella in the midst

21:59 of a rainstorm because you're not getting wet." And since then,

22:02 again, since then, everybody's entitled to their own opinions.

22:05 You're not entitled to your own facts.

22:07 Since then, the racial voter turnout has uh uh grown larger and twice

22:14 as larger twice as large in the states that were under section five.

22:18 And that there's a reason for that, Margaret,

22:20 since they removed the protections of section five.

22:24 Uh states that used to play old games,

22:26 they're playing they're playing new games.

22:28 the 21st century Jim Crow tactics in new clothes,

22:33 moving voter polls, closing polls in black and brown communities.

22:38 The data shows that black and brown people

22:40 spend uh much longer time in longer lines,

22:44 purging people, people literally showing up and not knowing

22:47 that their names have been purged from the roles.

22:50 And the data shows that this disproportionately

22:52 impacts black and brown uh citizens.

22:56 And now as a result of the decision this week,

22:59 they're saying that even when you show up,

23:02 we have we have given the green light so that politicians can play games

23:06 with the lines so that even when you overcome those barriers and show up,

23:10 your voices will be muted.

23:12 So it sounds like you want to go back to the letter of the law from 1965.

23:16 You want Congress to once again

23:18 reinstitute pre-clance for these southern states.

23:21 That's what I just heard you lay up.

23:24 Oh, yeah.

23:25 That that was absolutely absolutely.

23:28 So when I uh want to point something out

23:31 to you which is that the current Congress statistically

23:35 in 2025 has a record high number 66 black

23:39 members according to Pew Research including five Republican Republicans.

23:44 That's the most to ever serve in Congress.

23:46 People will look at that and say,

23:49 "We are in a different country than we were." As as Roberts once argued,

23:54 as you just pointed out, now that we are in this redistricting arms

23:58 race that both parties are playing with here,

24:00 do you think that will hurt black representation?

24:05 I think that the court sadly poured fuel on this redistricting arms race.

24:12 uh uh the the

24:14 to be clear, you support redistricting that your party is carrying out.

24:17 I I I I do because uh Donald Trump,

24:23 who is better at dividing us than anybody I know,

24:26 instituted an arms race and redistricting,

24:29 but I actually hate partisan gerrymandering.

24:32 I I don't like gerrymandering, but we could not unilaterally disarm.

24:36 He's the one who called Texas and said, "Literally,

24:38 give me six more seats." And so California

24:41 and other states had to respond, Virginia in kind.

24:44 But the solution to this really is to ban partisan gerrymandering.

24:49 Gerrymandering turns our elections on its head so that rather than

24:53 the people picking their uh uh politicians or their public servants,

24:58 the politicians are picking their voters.

25:00 Right.

25:00 Exactly.

25:01 Which is why I'm asking you how you could support it.

25:03 Um but I understand you're saying the context of the moment is an emergency.

25:07 Let Let me ask you.

25:08 Well, well, we we could I I have a bill though, Margaret.

25:11 I have a bill that bill right now

25:13 that would get that would get rid of partisan gerrymandering.

25:16 And so far, I've had no Republican takers.

25:19 Well, um, as we just said,

25:21 your your party is supporting the partisan redistricting

25:23 in places like California and Virginia as well.

25:26 Um, Congressman Byron Donald's of Florida said,

25:28 "Democrats do not care about black representation.

25:31 They only care about Democrat representation." Here's

25:34 what Congressman Wesley Hunt of Texas said when

25:37 he was asked about the decision of uh

25:39 the four black Republicans uh to leave Congress.

25:44 I represent a white majority district

25:46 that President Trump would have won by over

25:48 20 points and I won by 25 points the last time I ran.

25:52 I'm being judged not by the color of my skin and by the content of my character.

25:55 I don't care how many black people are here.

25:57 I want the most qualified people that are here.

26:00 So, what do you make of the argument

26:02 that you just heard there from Congressman Hunt?

26:06 Yeah, he doesn't understand our American history.

26:09 No, no one he he's quoting the words of Dr.

26:11 King.

26:12 No, no one was more committed to uh

26:15 a a country uh that embraces all of us than Dr.

26:19 King.

26:20 But Dr.

26:20 King looking at that reality is the one who uh

26:23 is the moral power behind the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

26:28 uh our our covenant as an American people is e pluribus unum out of many one.

26:34 And so this notion that representation does not matter ignores history.

26:39 It ignores the facts is uninformed.

26:42 Uh representation does matter.

26:44 When I when I go to the Senate every week,

26:47 I bring my story and my experience as a black

26:50 kid who grew up in public housing in Savannah.

26:52 And so does that white kid who grew up in in in Appalachia.

26:55 She brings her experience, too.

26:57 And so when when we create an increasing monolith,

27:01 which is what I think is going to happen

27:03 as a result of these this decision this week,

27:06 uh we hurt the democracy itself and we make it harder to get

27:09 at a policy policies that embrace all

27:12 of our children and give every child a chance.

27:16 Senator, we'll leave it there.

27:17 We'll be right back.

27:19 That's it for us today.

27:20 Thank you all for watching.

27:22 Until next week for Face the Nation, I'm Margaret Brennan.