Tim Cooked and Now it's John's Ternus!

0:00 I was watching a scale of the universe video recently.

0:04 Marquez.

0:04 [laughter]

0:05 That's all I'll say.

0:06 I wonder what Marquez is doing right now.

0:08 I could take a guess.

0:09 [laughter] I I closed my weather app and open YouTube.

0:13 Watch scale.

0:14 Left ear scale of the universe [laughter] video.

0:16 Right ear weather podcast.

0:18 [music]

0:21 Yo, what is up people of the internet?

0:23 Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast.

0:26 We're your hosts.

0:26 I'm Marquez.

0:27 I'm Andrew.

0:28 And oh, never mind.

0:30 I'm not.

0:30 No, you're definitely not Andrew.

0:32 Yeah, he had another child.

0:35 Yeah,

0:35 sorry.

0:35 Did I I bury the lead there?

0:37 Yeah, just definitely jumped straight to the top story.

0:39 Uh, so yeah, if you're watching on video,

0:41 you probably already noticed Andrew is not here with us this week,

0:44 and that's because he is having another baby.

0:47 And actually, we were in the middle of recording a bonus podcast episode when

0:52 he got the call that he had to go leave and have that baby.

0:55 Yeah.

0:55 So, uh, get subscribed to see that.

0:59 I don't know how we're gonna cut that into the video,

1:01 but it's gonna be in there.

1:02 I'm currently editing it, man.

1:04 Just bleep, but just like zoom in on Andrew's face like, "Yeah, yeah,

1:06 no, I got to go have a baby now." And he just leaves.

1:08 It's great.

1:09 Uh, so shout out to him.

1:10 The baby's healthy.

1:11 Everything's going super well.

1:12 But we also have a ton to talk about this week because for for whatever reason,

1:17 all of the companies decided to do all the things.

1:19 And it's not even Wednesday yet.

1:20 It's Tuesday.

1:21 It's crazy.

1:21 We're recording on Tuesday.

1:22 I appreciate it, guys.

1:23 So, we got to talk about uh Google

1:25 potentially bringing RGB light bar back to Pixel devices, which would be sick.

1:28 Yep.

1:29 Motorola suing some influencers in India.

1:32 It's a story.

1:32 That's bad.

1:33 Uh and then Apple new CEO, a couple other things like that.

1:35 So, yeah, small stories,

1:37 I think.

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1:55 Exactly.

1:54 Yeah.

1:54 Well, we do this uh you know, did they even test this thing every single week?

1:58 Yep.

1:59 I had two last week, so I saved one for this week.

2:01 And [clears throat] I think that this is

2:02 probably present in many different apps.

2:04 You've probably experienced this, but I was noticing I was making a partyful

2:08 event because uh no one in history has yet used the Apple invites app.

2:12 Mhm.

2:13 So, I was using a party I was doing the party full event and at the very

2:17 last stage of making your party full event

2:19 when you're just about to send it out,

2:21 it has a little like default text message that it sends to everybody that, hey,

2:25 David's inviting you to this thing, but it's like,

2:27 do you want to modify it and make it custom?

2:28 And I was like, obviously, yes.

2:30 I don't want to be, you know, like everybody else.

2:32 So, you you write your stuff in it,

2:34 but when you when you write your stuff, your keyboard comes up.

2:38 There's no way to get rid of the keyboard.

2:40 There's no back button and there's no like the the next button,

2:44 the publish button is underneath your keyboard.

2:47 This is an iOS bug, huh?

2:49 Yeah.

2:50 Yeah.

2:50 I've tried it on multiple iPhones.

2:51 It persists.

2:52 And I've had this happen in multiple different apps,

2:54 but I just think it's funny that there's not even a back

2:56 button and you can't swipe back to get to the last page.

2:59 You have to fully close the app.

3:02 Yeah.

3:02 Reopen it and then modify it again.

3:04 And eventually I just gave up and I was like,

3:05 I guess the default text is just going out.

3:07 Is that why everyone sends a default?

3:09 I guess so.

3:09 [laughter]

3:10 This is weird.

3:11 I I feel like I want to half blameless on PartyFull,

3:13 but also half on iOS because on Android,

3:15 there's just a button to close your keyboard on the keyboard, which is smart,

3:19 but also most iOS apps don't have this problem.

3:21 So, it's half an iOS problem, but also half the developer,

3:23 not just making it above the keyboard.

3:27 Yeah.

3:26 So, both of you,

3:28 yeah, fix that.

3:29 Make the next button in the top right

3:31 so that you don't have to worry about this.

3:32 And also make a back button in the top left.

3:35 You know who has a lot of free time

3:37 in his hands now to fix little things like this?

3:39 Adam Molina.

3:41 No.

3:41 Tim Cook.

3:41 Tim Cook.

3:42 [laughter] Tim Cook doesn't use this stuff.

3:44 Yeah.

3:44 We'll talk about more.

3:45 Actually, you know, let's just talk about it now.

3:46 Uh Apple CEO Tim Cook.

3:50 Tim Cook.

3:51 Tim Cook.

3:52 He has announced that he is stepping down

3:54 in in September and he will be moving to the board.

3:58 Chairman of the board.

3:59 He will be succeeded as CEO by John Turnis.

4:03 This is we all kind of have been reading

4:05 that this is going to happen at some point.

4:07 Everyone keeps asking Tim Cook, what's your legacy going to be when you leave?

4:10 And he's like, I ain't going anywhere.

4:12 And then boom, it it's now announced and official.

4:15 Even a month ago, he said, I have no plans on retiring anytime soon.

4:18 They do the Apple thing where they're like,

4:19 I cannot speak about future products or events.

4:22 Boom.

4:22 And then it just happens.

4:22 And we're like, ah, you knew the whole time.

4:26 Yeah.

4:25 Um, so many thoughts.

4:26 I do plan on putting together a video, but this is a good sounding board.

4:29 I want to I want to fire some thoughts at you guys and see what you think.

4:32 So, first of all, Tim Cook's career at Apple pretty goated as a company.

4:40 Like just as far as like people invest in Apple.

4:42 They went from a sub half billion or sub half trillion dollar company

4:45 to a 1 trillion to a two trillion to a three to a 4 trillion company.

4:50 Crazy.

4:50 This guy is good at steering that ship.

4:53 Supply chain wizard.

4:54 Shipping tons of products, creating tons of revenue, lots of services.

4:58 So if you want to analyze Apple post Steve Jobs era as a company,

5:03 they were a very successful company under Tim Cook.

5:06 Very hard to succeed Steve Jobs, but he did that.

5:10 But [clears throat] uh people are excited for John Turnis as CEO

5:14 of Apple because John Turnis was the senior VP of hardware engineering

5:18 and I've tal I've talked to him about hardware many times.

5:20 He is a product guy like he's

5:22 into making good hardware which is really exciting.

5:25 Uh, you might have also watched the Tim

5:27 Cook interview where I asked him about products

5:30 and it became very clear that he is not thinking about that stuff as as often.

5:34 The magic mouse.

5:36 Yeah.

5:36 You can see the gears turning in his head.

5:39 Yeah.

5:39 Trying to remember first of all, what is a magic mouse?

5:43 Absolutely.

5:42 And then second of all, what do I say about a mouse?

5:45 Yeah.

5:45 And the word he came up with was ergonomics.

5:48 Nothing against Tim Cook.

5:50 Possible thing.

5:51 Yeah.

5:51 Like that's that's not it.

5:52 like it was kind of a meme.

5:53 But so nothing against Tim Cook, like he has his leadership style.

5:56 It was very successful,

5:57 but uh you could also kind of see the influence of, you know,

6:02 Johnny IV leaving and like the sort of new design language of Apple products.

6:06 I think the MacBook Pro is a really good example.

6:09 Yes.

6:09 Of the design language at Apple changing.

6:14 Yeah.

6:13 Going from being super thin and sleek,

6:16 too thin for its own good and thermal throttling

6:18 and and keyboard issues because of the butterfly switches, all this stuff.

6:22 Yeah.

6:22 And now being like thicker, having real ports,

6:24 being super powerful and Apple silicon,

6:27 you know, coming up and being super important.

6:30 So, a lot of good stuff happened under Tim Cook,

6:31 but now I think it's it's even more exciting for product focus for sure.

6:36 Yeah, we haven't really had a product CEO at Apple since Steve Jobs,

6:40 which I mean, it was only Tim Cook in between.

6:42 So, there's that.

6:42 But it, you know, Steve Jobs made a lot of interesting weird stuff

6:46 and I think it would be cool to have more interesting weird stuff.

6:48 We had Vision Pro.

6:50 Yeah.

6:50 uh they possibly committed a little too hard to Vision Pro because Apple doesn't

6:55 like to ship anything that it doesn't think is going to be a hit.

6:58 That's I've been thinking about this a lot

6:59 and like the the companies that we cover, we talk about Google a lot.

7:03 We talk about, you know, Samsung a lot here in the US.

7:06 There's a lot of companies who ship a lot of products and famously kill them.

7:10 Like the Google graveyard is immense.

7:13 And the these companies kill products for various reasons.

7:15 Maybe they're just not scaling well.

7:17 Maybe they're a total failure.

7:18 No one used them.

7:18 Maybe they're a negative impact on the company, whatever.

7:21 But they kill products all the time.

7:22 When Apple kills a product once in a while, it's like this huge deal.

7:28 Even when they only kill like a wireless charging pad they're going to make.

7:31 Yeah.

7:31 It becomes kind of lore,

7:32 which they don't acknowledge until like years later.

7:35 Yeah.

7:35 They're like ashamed of any little failure that they've

7:38 had where they announced something and then it didn't work.

7:40 Apple intelligence is the latest massive embarrassing failure.

7:44 Yeah.

7:44 So, Apple doesn't really make that many things

7:45 and I was I was thinking about this analogy.

7:47 I'm I'm gonna throw it off to you guys and see how it hits your ear.

7:50 Uh Samsung and Google are like YouTubers that upload every day.

7:56 They're like daily vloggers.

7:58 Yeah.

7:58 They'll throw out a new thing.

7:59 If it works, great.

8:00 They'll throw out another thing the next day

8:01 and another thing the next day and another thing.

8:03 And you can never really get too hung up on if one of the things fails.

8:05 And if something scales and does super well, great.

8:08 We might do a follow-up of that.

8:09 We might do it again the next year.

8:11 But they're kind of just uploading all the time.

8:13 Apple is like the YouTuber that uploads every six months,

8:17 Michael Reeves or every four months, right?

8:19 Just like every couple months and just straight bangers.

8:22 And it's fine.

8:22 It's usually bangers.

8:23 They clearly spend a lot and like really commit a lot

8:26 of the company and a lot of the future to it.

8:27 And they have future plans and they're like, "This is a huge commitment,

8:30 blah, blah." And they they use that language, too.

8:32 They're like, "This is revolutionary for us.

8:34 This is a massive deal." And so when one of them doesn't quite hit,

8:40 you kind you can't hide because the next thing is months away.

8:43 And you did you did just talk pretty grandly about it.

8:45 And so it's kind of like a little bit embarrassing because you So that's why

8:49 I think they don't they don't try as many different things that I want them to.

8:52 I wish Apple made

8:54 camera, a printer, [laughter] a whole bunch of other random

8:57 stuff that they don't make like a HomePod with a screen.

8:58 Like there's tons of stuff that I would like them to try,

9:00 but they're not the daily uploader.

9:02 They're like behind the scenes scheming for months on the big upload.

9:06 Yeah.

9:06 Is that a valid?

9:07 For sure.

9:07 Yeah.

9:07 It's like the weight of your expectations.

9:09 I kind of I think Christopher Nolan could maybe be a good analogy for Apple

9:14 because it takes a really long time for them to come out with a new thing.

9:16 When they do, they try really hard to have some revolutionary innovative thing.

9:21 They're almost always bangers,

9:22 but there's always a movie like Tenant that you're like, "What is this for?

9:26 Who is this for?

9:27 Shut the up.

9:27 [laughter] I haven't seen it, but rules if you know it.

9:32 I haven't actually seen it.

9:33 I just But that's the Vision Pro, but it's not Interstellar.

9:38 It's just not.

9:38 No, I mean Interstellar is like the iPhone, you know.

9:41 Tennant is the Vision Pro.

9:43 Most people don't understand it.

9:45 Yeah, that's good.

9:46 And some people Yeah.

9:47 Some people never try it and have just

9:48 heard bad things about it and they're like, "Why do I spend the money?"

9:51 Like me.

9:52 Yeah.

9:52 So, yeah.

9:53 I don't know.

9:53 I mean, I It's interesting because I don't necessarily foresee

9:57 Apple shifting to trying a lot of new stuff again.

10:00 It's like again it's the weight of your expectations

10:02 and because Apple has only shipped bangers generally,

10:05 you know, there have been some weird things here and there.

10:08 People scrutinize the hell out of them when they don't ship good stuff.

10:13 Um, and there are like a million iPhones now.

10:16 Like I was kind of thinking about this, they

10:19 didn't necessarily expand into a ton of new product categories,

10:22 but the products that they do have,

10:23 they have sort of decided to fill

10:25 that every price point thing that like Samsung does.

10:29 So safe.

10:29 Yeah, it's it's very safe.

10:31 Yeah.

10:31 Instead of making a a folding phone and a flat folding phone

10:34 and then a skinny phone and then a flipping phone like Samsung,

10:37 they're just like, "Here's the iPhone and here's the other

10:40 iPhone and the other iPhone and the other iPhone."

10:43 And that's Tim Cook's version of a variety of products.

10:45 And one could argue that there are almost too

10:47 many SKs of all of these devices at this point.

10:49 I think that's a fair argument.

10:50 I kind of think we have too many.

10:52 I don't think that the iPhone um what is the the cheap one now?

10:55 What is it called?

10:56 Well, there's the B the 17e and then there's the base

10:59 iPhone and then there's the Air now and then there's the Pro

11:02 and then there's the Pro Max and there's the iPad

11:04 and then there's the iPad Air and then there's the iPad Pro

11:07 and then there's the MacBooks that kind of like

11:09 start the price ladder is real and they do

11:12 make a lot of money selling a lot

11:13 of stuff but it doesn't feel like a real variety.

11:16 Yeah, there was a good there was a really good um Snazzy Q video

11:18 a few weeks ago about how the Neo kind of destroyed the MacBook Air.

11:23 I like that.

11:24 Yeah, because you know the Air when it originally launched was that Manila

11:27 folder like it was breaking barriers like thing and now it's you know

11:31 it's it's thinish but it's not insanely thin and it's good and it's

11:35 got a bigger screen but it's like more expensive in a weird way

11:39 and at this point they I think they need to they need

11:42 to lean into Turnis' hardware engineering background

11:45 to actually like if if they're not

11:47 going to expand a new product categories again I would like to see

11:50 them reinvent their current product categories they

11:52 have make the air like insane again.

11:55 You know what I mean?

11:56 And it's it's surprising that when the Mchip revolution happened,

12:01 they didn't actually take that opportunity to, you know,

12:04 make the Johnny IV era of everything being Omega thin just like,

12:09 oh, a normal computer, but it's Omega thin.

12:12 Yeah,

12:12 I'm glad that they went the thick boy MacBook Pro route

12:14 because we're power users and we like to have that extra headroom.

12:18 But, you know, they kind I mean,

12:20 they have an opportunity now to make the MacBook Air

12:22 super super super thin and still faster than the Neo.

12:26 Yeah.

12:26 Yeah.

12:26 The There are so many and this is as a product reviewer,

12:30 you see a lot of this, there are so many products

12:32 from Apple that shipped in the last couple like 10 years

12:36 that are simply the same product with a new chip

12:39 or like or like shuffling parts around the same couple of things.

12:43 So you'd review uh I and you see a lot of this language from Apple because

12:46 they kind of also in press land like

12:48 pretend other companies don't exist a lot of times.

12:50 So they'll say this is our new product.

12:51 It has this from our other product

12:53 and this other thing from our other product and now

12:56 it's the new thing even though it's using old things.

12:59 Like okay iPhone 17e they'll just go it's

13:02 the screen from this old iPhone and the chip

13:05 from this other iPhone and the camera

13:07 from this other iPhone and now it's a new phone.

13:09 parts phone and that's Tim Cook genius at work.

13:14 We are, you know, supply chain maxing right now.

13:16 That is what they do.

13:18 So yeah, now they're a 4 trillion dollar company.

13:20 A little bit uninspiring.

13:22 I think they do have big swings every once in a while, but I'm excited for

13:26 a little bit more variety potentially.

13:29 Yeah.

13:29 Yeah.

13:29 Should we just Some people were also saying like now

13:31 that Tim Cook is just sort of the chairman of the board,

13:34 he can go do all the political things, right?

13:37 because it was it was always kind of weird to have him

13:40 being the CEO and also having to deal with like the administration,

13:43 all the stuff like that.

13:44 Now the CEO of Apple can just focus on running Apple

13:47 and Tim Cook because he's still sort of affiliated

13:49 with the company can go deal with all the politics.

13:52 Yeah, that's what I'm curious about what

13:54 the job actually is because I didn't really

13:56 get to ask Tim that, but I kind of just want to ask like what is

14:00 running Apple like?

14:01 like is is John Turnis' job going to become way less input

14:05 on new hardware and ideas and way more running Apple because that

14:11 is part of the job.

14:12 You got to do a lot of that sort of stuff.

14:13 So I'm curious about that.

14:14 Yeah.

14:14 John Johnny Suji is taking over as head of hardware.

14:17 He was the guy that he's always in the the labs

14:19 in the video talking about the M chip.

14:21 Yeah.

14:21 Surrounded by Mac Pros and Prois Display XDRs.

14:24 Yeah.

14:24 Which the Mac Pros are.

14:25 What are they going to do now with the Mac Pros?

14:27 This just going to be Mac Studios.

14:29 Yeah.

14:29 They look so much more impressive.

14:30 I know.

14:31 They really do.

14:31 They're great background video props, though.

14:33 Yes, they are.

14:34 Cuz they look really cool.

14:35 But he's taking over as head of hardware,

14:37 which is really interesting because, you know, he's great at making chips.

14:40 Obviously, that's his thing.

14:43 But the question is like, do his hardware chops match up?

14:47 You know, that's going to be really interesting to see.

14:50 Are there products that you wished Apple would make that maybe they have

14:54 a better chance of making now that it's uh someone who's in charge of hardware?

14:57 I mean, I would love a camera.

14:59 Same.

14:59 I they're not going to do it probably because I think that the camera market

15:04 like I think Canon makes most of its

15:06 money on their super super cheap cameras, right?

15:08 Like the the proumer market for cameras is not that big.

15:13 Interesting.

15:13 Um and Apple I believe still uses Sony for its for its sensors.

15:18 Yeah,

15:18 Apple has the you know they they seem like

15:20 the company that could start making their own sensors.

15:22 That would be that would be sick.

15:25 That would be sick.

15:25 I mean, putting their DRAM directly on the chip

15:27 and making it go straight to the camera and being

15:30 doing computational photography on a large sensor sale size.

15:33 That could be interesting.

15:34 An A18 might have enough juice to be like a pretty sick image processing engine.

15:39 Oh, it already is.

15:41 Yeah, it already is.

15:41 But, you know, add way more pixels and way more.

15:45 But could it do you think it's powerful enough

15:47 to function on a like an APS-C sized sensor?

15:50 Probably.

15:50 Yes.

15:50 If you dedicated the entire chip to image processing.

15:53 Yeah, I think so.

15:53 That's what I'm saying.

15:54 They definitely got enough A18s lying around,

15:56 but even just to make the iPhone camera better, you know what I mean?

15:59 I mean, they probably have like a relatively

16:02 deep level of integration based on, you know,

16:04 how early they get the chips from Sony and what they talk

16:07 to them about and what they want them to build it on.

16:09 But, uh, I would like to see deeper integration of that.

16:11 And then maybe, yes,

16:12 maybe they could make another camera cuz remember they

16:15 did make a camera that was made by Fujifilm.

16:17 Take is that what it's called?

16:18 Yeah, it was a Fujifilm camera that was Apple branded.

16:21 I was going to say they're never going to make a camera

16:22 because they would just tell you that they make a camera already just

16:25 Yeah, that's true.

16:26 [laughter]

16:26 That is Well, okay.

16:27 Yeah, I was not a big enough market either.

16:29 I was watching um the AirPods Max 2 came out and there's

16:32 there's reviews out there now and it's basically like yeah, they're the same

16:36 and I'm like this is such a Tim Cook thing.

16:38 Like they're just reusing they have all these okay H2 chips ship them.

16:40 like it's the same product over and over

16:43 and I'm like why like what would what would convince

16:47 Apple to actually spend interesting money developing new like

16:50 what would convince Apple to make good AirPods Max competition [laughter]

16:56 competition feels like competition

16:58 it's out there now like it's not necessarily all

17:00 in the same buckets like they are the only ones doing

17:04 this metal build uh weird case thing uh but their battery

17:09 life's not competitive But their sound quality is decently competitive,

17:14 but the integration with the iPhone has always been

17:16 the thing that's not you can't really compete with it.

17:18 It's weird.

17:19 Their walled garden allows them to not really have competition.

17:23 Even if there are other headphones that are sound just as good,

17:26 have just as good connectivity,

17:28 you know, battery life lasts just as long,

17:30 the integration is always going to be them only.

17:32 And so, you can't really compete with that.

17:34 Yeah, at the end of the day,

17:35 I just feel like if I worked at Apple and I was like, you know,

17:39 biting at the chomping at the bit or whatever it's called to like make real

17:43 improvements to AirPods Max and then the order

17:44 comes down from Tim Cook and he's like,

17:46 "Same design, [laughter] same case, same everything.

17:50 Just throw the H2 chip in there and call it a day.

17:52 We're going to ship millions of these." And we're [laughter] like, "Dang,

17:55 I really want to do something interesting." I feel like

17:57 maybe that's the door that can be opened by this.

18:00 Could be.

18:01 Maybe it's safe to keep shipping the same thing over and over again.

18:04 Yeah.

18:04 I mean, um, there's some crazy statistic

18:06 about like AirPods Pro and how they would

18:08 be like one of the top 15 companies in the world or something if they

18:11 were just a company.

18:14 Yeah.

18:13 So, yeah.

18:14 I don't know.

18:15 I I personally think that we're overindexing a little bit

18:19 on his decision-m when it comes to hardware design and stuff like that.

18:22 I think Apple is probably a complex enough organization that

18:27 these decisions mostly get made by like

18:29 the middle managers and he just approves things.

18:31 He just signs things.

18:32 You know what I mean?

18:33 Yeah.

18:33 Some of my earliest to CEO interviews when I actually got answers from them,

18:37 I would ask them like what that's like being a CEO

18:39 and it's like honestly most of the decisions don't get

18:42 to you and if they do they are the hardest decisions

18:45 that had to be passed up the chain where it's like

18:49 you know decisions about the future of the company or like really

18:52 difficult technical or moral decisions about

18:54 what products they should do where if

18:56 it's just hey you know there's a simple update for AirPods Max

19:00 out there we can just like take that market share and keep going.

19:02 Should we do it?

19:03 That doesn't even really make it to him.

19:05 No.

19:05 And that's how you end up with him going, "We make a magic mouse."

19:08 Yeah.

19:08 [laughter]

19:09 Oh,

19:09 what is that?

19:09 What is that?

19:10 Am I the only one thinking not a lot is going to change?

19:13 No.

19:14 I That's what I mean.

19:14 Yeah.

19:15 There's very much like as a $4 trillion company,

19:17 you are a thousand% like a huge boat with many small ores and no

19:22 one person is going to steer the whole boat in a totally new direction.

19:25 It's very fair to assume that this is going to be a smooth

19:29 handover with minimal risk to investors

19:31 and minimal changes in almost everything.

19:34 We're not talking about all birds over here.

19:35 Okay.

19:36 Yeah.

19:37 The opposite.

19:38 That's the opposite.

19:39 So, I think, you know, I don't even know what the stock price is doing,

19:42 but I'm sure investors are like, uh, how is this going to go?

19:44 Are they I'm sure Tim Cook is also going to give

19:46 a ton of guidance about supply chain stuff.

19:48 Like, he's still going to be involved.

19:50 You still got to do Tim Cook things.

19:51 Speaking of Tim Cook things,

19:53 I pulled some quotes from their uh PR release that I just found interesting.

19:57 Mainly, Apple services has been a major force.

20:01 We didn't even talk about services.

20:02 Yeah.

20:02 Apple services has been a major focus area of cooks.

20:06 And during his tenure,

20:07 the category has grown to become a more than 100 billion business.

20:10 The equivalent of a Fortune40 company.

20:15 Yeah.

20:14 Just the services.

20:15 That's insane.

20:16 Tim, that's 30% of every tap you do on the iPhone.

20:21 Yeah.

20:21 Yeah, exactly.

20:22 I mean, it makes sense.

20:23 Yeah, we didn't even talk about the services.

20:24 He really did grow all of those monthly ecosystem services.

20:29 It's crazy.

20:29 I I wonder I think Fitness Plus might get reduced soon to be honest cuz they

20:34 put a lot of money into that and that seems to be one of their weakest services.

20:39 Yeah, Apple TV Plus also spends way too much money.

20:42 Um, but I think that they like kind of being the new HBO,

20:45 so that's probably fine.

20:47 You know what I also think about a lot randomly?

20:49 There's a lot of companies they could acquire.

20:52 Yeah.

20:51 To just like like a Pelaton or like a random like

20:55 fitness related company that could really boost their quality of product,

21:00 but they never seem to do it.

21:02 Yeah.

21:01 And I that's another thing.

21:02 I don't know if that's going to change at all.

21:04 I feel like they don't want to do

21:05 that cuz they don't want to dilute their own brand.

21:07 You know, it's kind of risky to do that when

21:09 Apple already has such a like really really good identity.

21:13 And if Pelaton gets in trouble for doing something Pelatony,

21:16 because they always have, um, then Apple gets the flack for it.

21:20 And doing that to Beats was like the last time

21:22 they did something like that, which a long time ago.

21:24 Yeah, that was a long time ago.

21:25 I guess I just mean like if they have a really

21:27 weak product offering like people are talking about this with AI,

21:29 but just if they have a weak product and there's a company that's way

21:32 smaller but that's doing a lot of really good stuff that they're not doing.

21:37 They can copy some of it.

21:39 They can like make their own version

21:41 of it that ties into the iPhone or whatever.

21:43 But I always think of them as the iPhone company.

21:45 And if they ever wanted to like quickly expand

21:48 and make a whole bunch of way better things,

21:50 maybe that's a route.

21:51 But they Yeah, they never seem to do it last.

21:54 I mean, cuz when you think about it, it's like, what could they really expand?

21:56 Like, you ask me the question,

21:58 what product would they make if I if I could wave a magic wand?

22:00 What would you want them to make?

22:01 Cuz I just I don't really know of a lot of product.

22:04 Alarm clock.

22:05 Like just a dedicated alarm clock.

22:07 Yeah.

22:07 I want They'd say your phone's an alarm clock.

22:08 I know.

22:09 But I think the idea that like instead of expanding into more services,

22:12 they expand into more hardware peripherals is like

22:15 You think they do that?

22:17 No.

22:17 That's kind of what it's want.

22:19 Yeah.

22:19 And it's it's what I think someone like Turnis would be positioned to do,

22:23 but I don't think I think you're right that like

22:25 anything they do dilutes the power of the iPhone.

22:28 Of the iPhone.

22:30 Yeah.

22:30 Yeah.

22:30 Totally.

22:31 It's the everything device.

22:32 Also, it's funny to think of them

22:33 as the iPhone company because I think there's an argument

22:35 to be made that Apple is actually an earbud

22:39 company that just happens to make watches as well.

22:43 [laughter]

22:43 Well, both of those companies are just accessories to the iPhone.

22:46 I know, but like like you could make the argument

22:48 that like while the iPhone is like a gamechanging thing,

22:51 it still is not like global market share.

22:53 Whereas the bestselling audio product and the bestselling

22:56 watch of all time are both Apple products.

23:00 Yeah.

22:59 True.

22:59 But both of those markets combined are like

23:01 a fraction of the size of the smartphone market.

23:04 The Apple Watch only works on the iPhone.

23:06 So you you need to sell an iPhone to sell an Apple Watch.

23:11 Yeah.

23:11 So yeah, it's like they they obviously had a ton of success with the iPhone

23:15 and they will never ship something that steps on the feet of the iPhone,

23:19 but every time they do ship something new,

23:22 their first move is to make it the one that works best with the iPhone.

23:26 So that if you have an iPhone,

23:27 you are more likely to get this one than any competition.

23:30 That's true about their headphones.

23:31 That's true about their,

23:32 you know, the way the Macs and the iPads talk

23:34 to the iPhone and the iCloud and all this stuff.

23:35 Everything is a part of this ecosystem and that's their strategy number one.

23:39 I want to see a return of the HomePod and more form factors for the HomePod.

23:44 I want to see them properly compete with Sonos

23:47 where you can wire that all over your house.

23:49 I feel like that's the next step for them.

23:52 Yeah.

23:51 A TV.

23:52 Everyone thought they were going to make a TV for a while.

23:53 They never did that.

23:54 Well, then they just made the Apple TV, which is a TV, you know.

23:57 Yeah.

23:57 But what if I mean they make the Apple TV?

24:00 Apple TV and Apple TV.

24:01 And Apple TV Plus.

24:02 [laughter] No, not Plus anymore.

24:04 They killed the Plus.

24:04 Oh, just Apple TV.

24:05 It's all Apple TV.

24:06 So you can watch Yo Dog.

24:08 [laughter] I heard you like Apple TV.

24:09 So you can watch Apple TV on your Apple TV.

24:11 Call you Apple TV.

24:12 I think I I got that trivia question from a tweet

24:14 that was like Apple makes three products called Apple TV.

24:17 None of them are TVs.

24:19 Steve Jobs would lose his [laughter] mind if he

24:23 Yeah.

24:23 Yeah.

24:23 So they, you know, there's lots of things that I I'm curious if they're

24:27 going to start to jump into or like dip their feet into and we'll see.

24:31 Yeah.

24:31 Well, I hope that um John Turnis says good morning very loudly.

24:34 That's the only

24:35 He's got to have a new entry.

24:36 There's no way you can.

24:37 That's like a That's like a rapper's signature line.

24:40 True.

24:41 The endos.

24:42 You can't take his bar.

24:43 What is up?

24:43 You need a new bar.

24:45 Yeah, he did.

24:45 He did uh I forgot what he said when he did the the MacBook Neo event.

24:49 Did he say what did he say?

24:50 I don't remember.

24:51 That wasn't streamed.

24:52 So,

24:52 it wasn't streamed, so I I don't actually remember

24:54 what he said cuz I didn't take video of it.

24:55 Did he say, "Hi, everyone."

24:57 Probably something like that.

24:58 That sounds like That sounds like what he said.

25:00 What are the odds he gets on stage and goes, "What's up?

25:03 [laughter] I need it."

25:05 Not zero.

25:06 There's definitely a Poly Market link somewhere.

25:08 Yeah.

25:08 So, he takes over in September.

25:10 So, I Good thing Apple does nothing in September.

25:14 Yeah.

25:14 Um I'm curious what happens at Dubdub.

25:16 Is it going to be Tim that comes on stage?

25:18 Probably.

25:19 I don't think Tim has he come on stage at Dub.

25:21 Oh, really?

25:22 He comes before the video starts.

25:24 Oh.

25:24 Oh, yeah.

25:25 Okay.

25:25 Yeah.

25:25 Yeah.

25:25 Doesn't Doesn't he open Dubdub?

25:27 Yeah, he comes.

25:28 So, it happens in real life.

25:30 I thought they always Dubdub the video thing

25:32 always starts with Tim on the roof or something.

25:33 Yes, it does.

25:34 Also, he comes out in person.

25:36 Yeah.

25:36 So, what happens is when you go to the to WWDC in person,

25:40 they start everyone's sitting in the same space and looking

25:43 at the same screen and they actually have someone come out on stage,

25:47 usually Tim Cook or Craig Federi because it's Dubdub and they come

25:50 sometimes both and they come out and they say, "Welcome to WWDC.

25:53 So happy to have you all here." They'll say like one

25:55 or two generic lines and then they'll walk off stage into the front

25:58 row and then they'll start playing the video that everyone sees

26:00 on the stream and then it's Tim Cook and him again on the screen.

26:03 Yeah.

26:03 So lately, so the MacBook Neo event, they had, you know,

26:07 the announcement videos and everything,

26:09 but that no Tim Cook to be found anywhere.

26:11 It was just John Turnis on stage and I think one or two executives with him,

26:16 but he was clearly like the welcome everyone

26:18 to the thing that I'm showing you person

26:21 test bed.

26:22 Uh, so yeah, that happened once.

26:23 That'll probably happen again in September, I believe.

26:26 Dubdub.

26:27 Well, yeah.

26:27 I don't know.

26:28 I think there would be a lot of hype if he came out.

26:30 If John I think that's probably what they'll do.

26:31 I think that's probably what they'll do.

26:32 Yeah.

26:33 Yeah.

26:33 But Dubdub is like a software thing.

26:35 Is that

26:36 it is, but you're kind of like the he kind of sets the tone

26:38 of like welcome to the thing and then passes it to the software people.

26:42 So you're saying John Turnis will come out or Tim Cook will come out?

26:45 John I think John Turnis will come out as the I'm about to be the CEO.

26:49 And I think Tim Cook has done his last keynote.

26:52 Really?

26:52 That's what I was going to ask.

26:53 So you think like we're not going to get one more Tim Cook Good Morning?

26:56 I think No, I think we're gonna get some sort of like cheeky little

27:00 thing like Tim Cook is gonna come out and like airdrop the CEO position.

27:06 I could see that.

27:07 Yeah, that's probably that'd be funny.

27:09 Yeah.

27:09 So maybe Dubdub is the last Tim Cook and the first John Turnis.

27:13 He's going to send him an Apple events invite to become CEO.

27:16 [laughter]

27:18 He's going to be a meeting with HR on his calendar.

27:21 I wonder if they'll put that in the dubdub intro video

27:24 this year because you know that everyone's going to like hell out.

27:27 People are going to be so excited about about the whole thing.

27:30 It's kind of this is a cult.

27:32 You know what's funny?

27:32 The amount of people who are like, "What about Craig?

27:34 Why isn't he the CEO?"

27:36 Cuz he's the one who's like the most charismatic on camera.

27:38 He's still in charge of all the software.

27:40 Yeah.

27:40 So that's not

27:41 got Falcon here.

27:42 We just got to pick somebody.

27:43 Yeah.

27:43 I'm glad.

27:43 I mean hopefully he reverses course with Liquid S.

27:46 So, well, you know, Tim Cook might have had his amount

27:50 his events that he was going to keynote set to zero, but you know what else?

27:54 Uh, you can now set to zero.

27:57 What?

27:57 YouTube shorts on your phone.

27:59 What?

28:02 Yeah.

28:01 I still watch shorts.

28:03 [laughter] On your phone?

28:05 Yeah.

28:05 That's crazy.

28:07 Yeah.

28:07 Okay.

28:07 This is what confused me about this because

28:09 shorts are made for the phone, right?

28:11 Yep.

28:12 vertical video, Tik Tok, Instagram reels, YouTube shorts,

28:14 all of this stuff is vertical because it's on your phone.

28:18 Yep.

28:18 They won't give us this feature on TVs or desktop.

28:23 Yeah.

28:22 So, Shorts is still available on YouTube desktop, right?

28:25 Like if you're on a computer, you go to YouTube, you'll still get shorts there

28:28 for sure.

28:28 But I have the option on my phone,

28:30 which is what it was made for to turn it to zero.

28:34 Percolate across all your devices.

28:36 Oh, I imagine the setting is on the phone and then it but I updated

28:40 my app this morning and I still didn't have the option to set it to zero.

28:43 Oh, I have the option to set it to zero.

28:45 So maybe I'll do that and see if it populates.

28:47 See if it populates on your on your device on your laptop.

28:50 But yeah, so previously, you know,

28:52 there was a shorts time limit and I'm

28:54 guessing this is sort of like a parental thing

28:56 where parents could make sure that their kids were

28:58 not just like brain dumping on shorts all day.

29:02 Yeah.

29:02 And the options were in 15-minute increments.

29:04 And it could be 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 45 minutes, an hour.

29:06 That's the verb for it, by the way.

29:08 Brain dumping.

29:09 Brain dumping.

29:09 Yeah.

29:10 Yeah.

29:10 Um, brain maxing.

29:12 And now, apparently, you can set it to zero.

29:15 Again, I still didn't have this option.

29:16 Um, but I really wish that more social media

29:19 apps would give you this option because like I've said,

29:22 sometimes Instagram really sucks me in for 45 minutes.

29:25 Never going to Well, Instagram leans on reals and Tik Tok obviously is Tik Tok.

29:29 So I feel like this feels like how it should be though.

29:33 Like I don't mind having shorts and reals on my phone.

29:36 Whatever.

29:37 If you have the option,

29:37 if I have the option to go to it, I don't like being served it.

29:40 But it affects their bottom line.

29:42 Problem

29:43 I guess it's too it's too big of a bottom line.

29:46 Yeah.

29:47 For YouTube, it's a fraction of their bottom line.

29:49 For Instagram and for Tik Tok,

29:50 it's too much of their bottom line to give you that option.

29:53 It's surprising to me that YouTube is even allowing this in the first place.

29:56 We'll flex.

29:57 Yeah, kind of.

29:58 I like it.

29:58 We're healthier.

30:00 Yeah.

30:00 You know, so yeah, kind of weird.

30:02 And then you get sucked into a long form.

30:04 Yeah.

30:04 [laughter] Uh speaking of something disappearing.

30:08 Oh, nice.

30:09 Okay.

30:09 Shorts disappeared for some people if you want.

30:12 Nothing.

30:12 Uh we we kind of missed the story last week cuz

30:14 it happened like during the podcast episode last week while we're recording.

30:17 Yeah.

30:18 But it also didn't happen.

30:19 It Yeah, it's [laughter] Schroinger's airdrop clone.

30:23 Uh, nothing last week released an airdrop

30:26 competitor called Warp for a few hours.

30:29 [laughter] [snorts] Um, it was gone like 3 hours after they released it.

30:35 They deleted all traces of it from social media.

30:37 Android Authority got a statement from them

30:39 asking why they deleted it and nothing said,

30:42 "Our product team has temporarily removed

30:43 the nothing work file sharing application

30:45 to make necessary improvements based

30:47 on early user feedback and technical evaluations."

30:50 That was quick.

30:50 This is not a permanent removal,

30:52 but rather a strategic pause to enhance a product's

30:55 performance and ensure it meets our high quality standards.

30:57 So, normally that's just a software update.

30:59 So, there's more reasons why they had to remove it.

31:03 I hear,

31:05 yes,

31:04 this is a security nightmare, so we pulled it.

31:07 Either either legal or security or both.

31:09 Legal or security.

31:11 Um, the site CyberNews was speculating that it was extremely close

31:14 to an open-source tool that was

31:16 already available and it looked almost identical.

31:19 That's funny.

31:19 So, it's possible that they just kind of took the open source tool

31:22 and released it as their own thing and then they got blowback from it.

31:25 I'm guessing it's more of a security thing.

31:27 Apparently, the way that this worked was that it

31:30 would upload the file to Google Drive, uh,

31:32 send it to the other person, auto download it,

31:35 and then when it finished downloading, it would delete it off the Google Drive.

31:39 That's crazy.

31:40 Which is really weird.

31:41 Really funny, actually.

31:42 It's possible Google just didn't like this violates

31:45 their terms of service or something for Google Drive.

31:47 I'm not sure.

31:48 I'm thinking, wouldn't that mean that there has to be some

31:51 sort of automation to automatically delete something from a user's Google Drive?

31:56 Yeah.

31:55 Which doesn't sound like Google would be okay with that?

31:59 No.

31:58 No.

31:58 I think I think No, cuz you can delete stuff

32:01 off of your Google Drive with the Google Drive API.

32:03 Like I I've built tools that that do that.

32:06 I think it's more like I don't think you can build this a I

32:09 don't think you can build a commercial service that piggybacks Google Drive.

32:12 I think that's the

32:14 Yeah, maybe that's why.

32:15 I mean, it's it's interesting that they even gave

32:17 the statement and that they said it is a temporary pause,

32:20 but you know, it could be an indefinite pause.

32:22 Could come back, could not.

32:24 Yeah.

32:24 TBD.

32:26 TBD.

32:25 I like how this is now a thing.

32:27 Like it seems like everyone has an air drop kind of thing.

32:31 I There is a phone that will Okay,

32:34 Embargo will be out by the time we talk about this.

32:37 uh Oppo's phone, but this is also not just this phone where

32:40 there's like a seven or eight page section of their review guide,

32:44 which is just clones of Apple features where they'll be like,

32:48 "Install this OPPO app on your Mac and then you

32:53 will be able to use AirDrop on your Oppo phone

32:56 and install this OPPO app on your Mac and you'll

32:58 be able to mirror your Oppo phone on your Mac."

33:01 like they they are selectively going in and picking Apple

33:04 ecosystem features and then making a like companion app that lets

33:08 you have a version of that so that if you

33:10 are in Apple's ecosystem you can still use Oppo's phone.

33:13 Didn't they make some sort of workound where

33:15 you can also use your Apple Watch on that?

33:17 Yes, that's another one.

33:18 Yeah.

33:18 So you have a you have a specific app on your phone

33:22 and then I don't even think you need an iPhone.

33:24 I think you get the Apple Watch and then it can work with the Oppo phone.

33:27 Yeah.

33:28 You need the iPhone when you set it up, right?

33:30 And then, yeah, you need an iPhone to set it up.

33:32 That wouldn't shock me, but still.

33:34 Yeah, it's so deliberate.

33:35 It's like, wow, I can't really switch to the Oppo

33:38 phone cuz I use an iPhone and all these accessories.

33:40 Oh,

33:41 hold on.

33:42 Hold on.

33:42 We got an answer.

33:43 Oh, but you can.

33:44 We went so long without any of these.

33:47 And now seems like there's a million of them.

33:49 Why is it all happening now?

33:50 It is strange.

33:51 It is strange.

33:52 Europe.

33:52 Europe.

33:54 Possibly Europe.

33:54 Possibly Europe.

33:55 We love it.

33:56 All right.

33:56 Well, uh, we got a lot more stories coming up.

33:58 We clearly don't want to save the best for the beginning.

34:03 I guess blow through the best of the beginning.

34:06 So, we're going to do something um that lasts

34:09 longer than uh Tim Cook's tenure, which is trivia.

34:15 [music] Does that mean we have to do 15 years of trivia?

34:18 I kind of Yeah.

34:20 [laughter]

34:21 lock in.

34:22 I hope Waveform is still going in 15 years.

34:26 Same.

34:25 Yeah.

34:25 when I'm 45.

34:28 All right, guys.

34:28 Tim Cook is stepping down like we just covered.

34:32 Uh, and this I thought would be the perfect excuse to ask

34:36 a question about the most random fact I've ever learned about Tim Cook,

34:41 which I got from a Wall Street Art Journal article came out a little bit ago.

34:44 It's called Tim Cook on why Apple's huge bets will pay off by Ben Cohen.

34:49 Big article when it came out.

34:50 Um, and the thing that I learned from this article that shook me to my core

34:57 and one, what is Tim Cook's favorite soda?

35:03 Hint, while it is a very common soda throughout the US,

35:07 it is not sold in Apple vending machines, like onampus vending machines.

35:13 That is correct.

35:14 So, does he just get deliveries directly to his office?

35:16 He said in this interview he does not get to drink it as much as he wants.

35:20 Interesting.

35:21 I do know he grew up like in the Midwest.

35:23 So, this is probably going to be a soda I've never heard of.

35:25 He did not grow up in the Midwest.

35:29 Oh,

35:28 but he's right.

35:29 Am I wrong with that?

35:30 Don't say it cuz that's mine.

35:31 He's from the Midwest.

35:32 He's not from the Midwest either.

35:34 What?

35:35 Guys, he has an accent.

35:36 I thought he was

35:36 not a Midwestern [laughter] accent.

35:38 Are you serious?

35:38 Wait, now look it up.

35:40 I thought he was

35:41 Oh, yeah.

35:41 Yeah.

35:41 Think about Tim Cook's accent and now think about cartoon characters.

35:45 Yeah.

35:45 Okay, I get it.

35:46 Is he really?

35:47 Yeah, I guess he is.

35:48 That makes sense.

35:49 That makes sense.

35:50 That makes a lot of sense, actually.

35:51 All right.

35:51 Well, answers will be at the end like usual.

35:53 We'll be right back.

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36:58 Welcome back, everybody.

36:59 Um, we all know that Google could really

37:01 do some stuff to make its pixels more appealing.

37:04 And specifically, they could bring back features from the old

37:07 Nexus days that would make it even more appealing.

37:09 I can think of so many.

37:10 What's your number one feature?

37:12 Glowing track ball.

37:13 Track ball.

37:14 Oh, Nexus One.

37:15 That would be cool, but they're not doing that.

37:17 Oh, darn.

37:18 Can I keep guessing?

37:18 You can keep guessing.

37:19 Uh, boom sound from the HTC1 Play Edition.

37:22 That'd be cool.

37:23 It's not that.

37:24 No.

37:24 Sorry.

37:25 Damn.

37:25 Uh, physical keyboard from the G1.

37:27 You really want that?

37:28 No, really?

37:28 [laughter] No, I don't.

37:29 You're right.

37:30 No moving parts.

37:30 Um,

37:32 yeah.

37:32 Okay, hold on.

37:34 Think about something that costs 1 cent.

37:36 Half stage uh like two-stage shutter button from the Motorola Droid.

37:41 That'd be sick.

37:41 But they're not doing that.

37:43 Damn.

37:43 Yeah.

37:43 Not [clears throat] even like What about an accent power button?

37:45 Maybe that'd be nice.

37:47 I'm not sure.

37:48 Okay.

37:48 [laughter] They've done a lot.

37:49 Remember the Panda Pixel and then there was like a little orange power button.

37:52 Yeah.

37:52 Yeah.

37:52 Yeah.

37:53 Yeah.

37:53 I want that.

37:54 Bring it back.

37:55 They can bring that back.

37:56 Squeezing the sides.

37:57 That was bad.

37:57 I That was bad.

37:58 It was fun.

37:59 It was fun.

38:00 It never worked.

38:01 But it didn't work as well as I was hoping.

38:03 Sle was so There's a video of Adam and I in Central Park shooting

38:05 my Pixel 4 review and just doing this and it not working and it's so bad.

38:10 That was an error.

38:11 Truly,

38:12 the best part of that video is that the only way for some reason that it worked

38:15 was if you leaned over it specifically

38:17 in this way that made you look like a mermaid.

38:19 So there's a shot where you're just like leaning

38:21 on a rock like a mermaid waving at the phone.

38:24 That was one of those like you see there's

38:26 so many tech demos of like where they try

38:28 to like gracefully show you the feature and they're

38:29 like boom and it doesn't work the first time.

38:31 They're like oh sorry I just got to like do it a certain way.

38:33 That was one where they would try it like six times and it would

38:36 work once maybe and you'd go I can tell this is going to suck.

38:39 It was so bad.

38:41 Okay.

38:41 What is it then?

38:42 Okay.

38:42 It's LEDs.

38:44 Multiolor LEDs.

38:47 Yes.

38:46 For notifications.

38:47 Customizable.

38:49 Yes.

38:49 Well, maybe customizable.

38:51 I'm in.

38:51 Yeah.

38:51 I'm super in.

38:52 So, there was an APK APK tearown of the latest Android 17 beta 4,

38:57 and there's a section in it with a whole

38:58 page that specifically mentions pixel glow lights,

39:02 which will alert you of important notifications when your device is face down.

39:06 Pixel glow.

39:06 Oh, when it's face down.

39:08 Yes.

39:08 Okay.

39:08 So, it's on the back.

39:09 Yes, on the back.

39:10 There should be a light bar and a bar would be nice.

39:13 Oh, I was picturing cuz like I there's a couple that have

39:16 had like pin lights or like the glowing track ball as an example,

39:18 but like a little dot.

39:19 So, it would just be like the yellow lightning stuff.

39:22 Oh, no.

39:22 A bar.

39:24 It's a bar.

39:25 That's what it's supposed to be.

39:26 So, so it's going to be RGB.

39:27 Um, they said that you can have it for notifications,

39:30 for different types of notifications, uh,

39:32 like phone calls from different favorites as well

39:35 as it should animate while you're interacting with Gemini.

39:38 Oh, yeah.

39:38 Of course.

39:39 All wavy, you know, do the thing.

39:42 Wow.

39:41 And I just think that that's a pretty sick feature.

39:45 Tim Cooking never.

39:46 This is crazy.

39:46 I know.

39:47 I really like this idea.

39:49 Yeah.

39:49 Yeah.

39:49 I mean, there was a long time where

39:50 I was customizing Android ROMs or just had like,

39:53 you know, software settings where I could decide certain

39:56 apps would glow my notification light a certain color.

39:59 So, there'd be like a light blue and a dark blue and a yellow and a green and so

40:03 I could know what the flashing color of the light

40:05 meant and I can decide to check it or not.

40:08 Yeah.

40:07 So, this is like a bring that back.

40:09 If this is user customizable and maybe there'll be

40:11 a ROM that allows it to be user customizable, which might bring back ROMs.

40:15 Who knows?

40:15 That'd be pretty cool.

40:17 That'd be sick.

40:17 Um, I think it would really help differentiate Pixel devices.

40:20 They're kind of like that at that point

40:22 they're more customizable than nothing phones.

40:25 Yeah.

40:25 So, it's like what's nothing got on them, you know?

40:27 Yeah.

40:27 I mean, the Nothing phone has the screen on the back with like a bunch of Yeah.

40:33 like this.

40:34 It's this mini display and you have these uh

40:37 apps that you know you get essential notifications from.

40:39 It's interesting.

40:40 I think that's at least interesting.

40:42 Most phones don't have anything on the back

40:44 that you can tell like what notification you got.

40:45 So, I'd like another version of that.

40:47 Yeah.

40:47 Can I be devil's advocate here?

40:49 Sure.

40:50 Try.

40:50 So, what?

40:50 I'll [laughter] defend it.

40:51 I'll be devil's devil's advocate.

40:54 The double double.

40:56 Yeah.

40:55 Um, okay.

40:56 So, for the record, great idea.

40:58 Bring this back.

40:58 I love this.

40:59 But is this just Google praying on our nostalgia?

41:03 Because we have always on displays that gives us way more information.

41:06 It's not the phone upside down.

41:08 Yeah.

41:08 But just putting the phone up, you can see everything now.

41:11 Like we have AMOLED.

41:12 This is like a solved problem.

41:13 That's valid.

41:14 Uh, I would say there's a couple things.

41:16 One, I don't love always on displays.

41:19 I started turning them off on a lot of phones that it kind of got annoying.

41:22 Either I would like tap the display as I'm putting it in my pocket and because

41:25 it was always on, it would light up as I'm putting it away and I get annoyed,

41:28 so I just turn it off.

41:30 And I started like leaving my phone face down.

41:32 These are face up sitting here,

41:34 but they're not telling me anything cuz I turned always on display off.

41:36 I would like to have them face down and just be able

41:39 to know cuz I'm waiting for the Slack notification for Waw Wa orders.

41:43 I'm like, "Oh, it's the pink notification.

41:45 I know I should check this one." So, yeah.

41:48 Are they playing on my nostalgia?

41:49 Probably a little bit.

41:51 Probably a little bit.

41:51 Yeah.

41:52 When I'm like out with a friend at dinner or something,

41:54 I pretty much always flip my phone upside

41:56 down because I don't like that, you know,

41:58 I can get a notification and it shows up.

42:00 And then I think that the reason that this is a little bit better

42:03 is because being able to glance and just be like, "Oh, it's an email.

42:06 That's it.

42:06 Oh, it's a text.

42:07 Maybe I should check it." but not moving your attention

42:11 to exactly what the text says on the always on display.

42:14 You get very distracted when you're like looking at that.

42:16 Yeah.

42:16 You can just be like ambiently aware that you got a text.

42:19 Yeah.

42:19 And it also helps you if you're interacting with Gemini,

42:22 you know that it heard you because it's kind of waving around, you know.

42:26 Yeah.

42:25 And also just uh we like cool pretty colors and that's pretty standard.

42:29 You know, the back of the phone is a historically underutilized spot.

42:32 Sometimes there's a fingerprint reader back there, sometimes there's not.

42:35 Yeah.

42:35 Sometimes there's a little display back there like the Xiaomi 17 Pro.

42:38 Sometimes it's not.

42:39 Yeah.

42:39 So, I like something back on.

42:40 It'll be interesting to see how they, you know,

42:42 keep it waterproof and everything while also adding LEDs.

42:45 I guess it'll have to be under glass or behind the Yeah.

42:47 Yeah.

42:48 Where do you think it's going to be on the phone?

42:49 I was picturing a bar across the bottom.

42:52 That'd be cool.

42:52 Like a thin stripe type of thing.

42:54 That'd be super cool.

42:55 I like that.

42:55 I think it's going to be above the Pixel bar.

42:58 Like right at the top.

42:59 Right at the top.

43:00 That little sliver there on the Pixel.

43:02 I'm kind of on team bottom.

43:05 Okay.

43:06 Careful.

43:06 There's nothing wrong with that, Marcus.

43:09 Uh,

43:09 just saying careful.

43:11 So, apparently the APK turned on.

43:12 Also,

43:12 another one for the super cut.

43:15 Also,

43:14 another one for the David's Freaky on the pod super cut.

43:17 [laughter]

43:19 We We watched that, by the way.

43:20 If you're out there, we we watched that and we laughed.

43:22 [clears throat]

43:23 I don't think most people know this what that is.

43:26 Uh, okay.

43:26 So, the APK teardown also indicated a Pixel laptop that is going to be released.

43:32 Um, they try this every six years

43:34 and I buy it immediately every six years.

43:36 Yeah.

43:36 Um, but what's more exciting about this is one,

43:39 it's also supposed to have the Pixel Glow thing,

43:41 which I'm not really sure how they're going to do

43:44 that because computers are just very different with notifications.

43:47 Well, okay.

43:48 So, remember the last Pixel laptop?

43:50 Yeah, the cheap one

43:51 that had the Pixelbook Go.

43:53 No, so the Pixel God, the names.

43:55 Hold on.

43:56 I want to find the name of it.

43:57 But it had an RGB stripe on the back.

44:00 But but after the CR48.

44:01 Yeah.

44:01 Like the Pixel.

44:02 Yeah.

44:03 Laptop.

44:04 Yeah.

44:04 Just so just that again.

44:06 Yeah.

44:06 But have it light up.

44:08 That one didn't actually glow, right?

44:09 I thought it did.

44:10 The Chromebook Pixel.

44:11 Yes, that one.

44:12 Chromebook Pixel.

44:13 Did that one light up?

44:13 The no glow Chromebook Pixel is a Pixelbook glow.

44:17 Pixelbook Go with Pixel Glow.

44:20 Oh my god.

44:21 It Yeah, it glowed.

44:22 That's crazy.

44:23 Oh, and it had

44:24 What did it glow for?

44:25 I don't know, but it's doing stuff.

44:27 It is doing stuff.

44:27 I got to rewatch my review.

44:28 This is old.

44:29 This is 13 years old.

44:30 So old.

44:31 But yeah, it it lit up.

44:32 It turned off when the laptop was off or it

44:34 would light up with notifications or something on the back.

44:37 So that's that's the thing I would like them to bring back.

44:39 I mean, the big question here is like when I have my laptop closed,

44:42 I'm like done with it.

44:43 You know what I mean?

44:43 I don't need to like see notifications on my laptop.

44:46 I already have my phone for that.

44:47 But this is potentially going to be their big Android Chrome OS merger.

44:53 Yeah.

44:53 OS, which means that maybe it will have

44:56 a lot more direct compatibility with your phone.

45:00 Yes.

45:01 Here.

45:01 Have you ever had this moment where you pull out your laptop to use

45:05 it and you open it and it's got 2% battery and it's about to die?

45:10 You're like, "Dang, I wish I knew it was about to die." Oh.

45:13 Well, you know how you'd know?

45:16 Yeah.

45:15 Is if at 10% it just suddenly softly glowed red just sitting there closed.

45:19 You go, "Ah,

45:20 I like that." Appreciate that communication laptop.

45:24 Okay.

45:24 Am I crazy?

45:26 Yeah.

45:26 You used to you used to be able to do that on MacBooks.

45:29 What would glow?

45:30 No, no, no.

45:30 There was a button on the bottom of the MacBook that you

45:33 could hit and then it was sort of like the battery tester.

45:35 Am I crazy?

45:36 Is that true?

45:37 When you say bottom, you mean

45:39 Yeah.

45:38 the bottom under it?

45:40 I got to research this.

45:41 I'm having like a a

45:42 wrong with the bottom.

45:43 That doesn't sound like a Mac.

45:43 I don't remember a button on the bottom.

45:45 There was a glowing Apple logo on the back of some of the early

45:48 MacBook.

45:49 Just a glowing white logo.

45:50 Yeah, that just the glowing bright logo.

45:51 Yeah, it would have never had any, you know, functionality other than think so.

45:54 That's exactly what I want from my Chromebook when the battery is about to die.

45:57 Use more electricity.

45:59 Well, [laughter] it's a tiny tiny amount.

46:02 I know.

46:02 I'm Yeah.

46:03 I'm just like, what other use case?

46:05 I guess you maybe you could use it to invoke Gemini.

46:09 Like if it's because at the end of the day,

46:11 they just want all of your devices to be

46:13 endpoints for Google Assistant for Gemini, you know?

46:16 So if you have your laptop sitting on your desk and it's

46:18 your most nearby device and it has like always listening or something.

46:22 Yeah.

46:22 If you can control your home.

46:24 Is that a crazy thing?

46:24 So like what if you know how a lot

46:26 of laptops sometimes have like slightly thicker displays

46:29 and they've put like compute in the top

46:31 section of it sometimes like there'll be like a

46:34 not crazy this existed.

46:36 Oh, I do remember the le the battery indicator.

46:38 Unlike the the pre202 MacBooks,

46:41 there was a button on the left side of the computer that if you hit

46:44 it would do these like LEDs would light up and tell you your battery percentage.

46:47 I'm not crazy.

46:48 That's cool.

46:49 Where were the LEDs, though?

46:50 Yeah.

46:50 Where is that?

46:51 Where were the LED?

46:51 The LEDs were also on the side.

46:54 Oh.

46:54 Oh, that's the Okay.

46:56 The metal ones that Yeah,

46:57 it's like a sort of a flush button with like five dots that would all light up.

47:01 That's cool.

47:02 I don't Wow, that's a good call back.

47:03 I didn't remember that at all.

47:04 That is cool.

47:05 They should bring that back.

47:05 So yeah, the idea of like a Gemini thing,

47:07 what if there's a little bit of compute

47:09 that stays on even when you close the laptop?

47:11 Always listening.

47:12 So it is like a little always listening,

47:13 little tiny computer SOC or phone SOC or something and you can still ask it,

47:18 "Hey G," and the speakers are still in there.

47:20 They're they're going to be muffled, but they could still respond.

47:23 Totally.

47:23 That could be a thing.

47:24 I think that'd be sick.

47:24 Or it could be side firing speakers or bottom firing speakers,

47:27 so you could still hear it.

47:29 Yeah.

47:28 Yeah.

47:29 I mean, Apple has been quietly adding thread radios to all their devices, right?

47:34 I feel like Google could like also start adding all

47:37 of these multifunctual multifunctional radios and and stuff to their devices.

47:43 Yeah.

47:43 And they want you to have as many access points for Gemini as possible

47:45 cuz they want you to use it as in as many places as possible.

47:49 Yeah.

47:49 They want us to do that all the time.

47:52 Yeah.

47:51 Was it Nest that had a thread radio in like a thermostat

47:55 or something that they just turned on after x amount of years?

47:57 It was the HomePod as well.

48:00 Okay.

48:00 Yeah.

48:00 The HomePod was silently carrying a Thread Radio for a long time.

48:03 Yeah.

48:03 Yeah.

48:04 Yeah.

48:04 There was an Apple product that did that, too, but not with Thread

48:08 that No, an Apple product released with a radio that they didn't

48:11 turn on until a year or so later with a firmware update.

48:14 Wasn't it the I thought I made a video about the

48:17 It was the second generation iPod touch that shipped with a Bluetooth

48:21 radio that they didn't announce or turn on until like a year into That's crazy.

48:26 I know.

48:28 That's I really hope I remember.

48:29 I'm like my brain is filled with these like 2010 Apple facts right now.

48:32 I have to go double check all of them.

48:34 That's really funny.

48:35 Oh, iPod touch though.

48:36 Okay.

48:36 Yeah, I guess it makes sense.

48:37 I pictured my first iPod which was uh like the tall nano.

48:42 Yeah.

48:42 Uh that one with Bluetooth would be crazy.

48:44 It would be wild.

48:45 You probably do it now.

48:46 So, yeah.

48:46 I mean, that's exciting.

48:47 It doesn't take a lot to please tech reviewers.

48:49 You just need to give us the RGB lights and that's it.

48:52 Yeah.

48:52 You know, unfortunately, I am easy to please in that way.

48:55 Indeed.

48:56 Indeed.

48:56 All right.

48:56 What is this headline about?

48:58 Yeah.

48:58 Speaking of Motorola um people who are not easy to please.

49:04 Yeah.

49:03 Motorola in India is suing um social media platforms and o

49:08 dozens of content creators over things that were said about the company.

49:14 Um

49:14 not a good look but what what are the details cuz maybe I'm missing something.

49:18 Yeah.

49:19 So it's seeking take down of content and broader restraint

49:22 for what it deems false or defamatory material related to their devices.

49:26 It specifically called out that it didn't like that people

49:29 had been publishing videos of their phones catching fire.

49:33 Um, which it said were fake.

49:35 It was saying that these things were fake,

49:37 but it wants to restrain people from suing and publishing this content,

49:42 including reviews, videos, comments, and boycott campaigns.

49:47 So, this is the prime uh example of the uh Mandela effect, right?

49:52 Or no, no.

49:52 What's the if you hide something?

49:54 Stryand effect.

49:55 Yeah.

49:55 Stand back.

49:56 I had not heard about any Motorola phones catching on fire.

49:59 Yeah.

49:59 [laughter] And now I'm curious if they're real or not.

50:03 Yeah.

50:03 Seems like they are insisting that they are not, but here we are.

50:07 There was someone had quoted like last week it

50:09 was like there's two ways to respond to criticism.

50:11 One is to make your product better and one is

50:13 to make it worse um by you know getting aggressive.

50:18 [laughter] So yeah, it alleges that there are hundreds of posts across

50:22 social media uh that show Motorola products in a false and defamatory way.

50:27 And it says that it did this lawsuit in the interest of public safety,

50:31 which doesn't make a lot of sense.

50:34 Uh India is Motorola's second biggest market,

50:36 which makes up about 20% of its global market share.

50:39 And you know, like obviously people on social media, um,

50:43 especially big phone fans are can be pretty over the top sometimes,

50:47 but stopping people from publishing negative reviews is not a good look.

50:52 It's a very bad look.

50:55 So, and it it sort of tracks that they're they're suing them in India

50:58 because I think that there are probably

51:00 looser like freedom of speech laws there.

51:04 Mhm.

51:03 Um, just hope that this does not happen because, you know, I don't know.

51:08 It's bad.

51:09 It's bad to repress speech.

51:10 That's when I read this, I kind of it kind of reminded me

51:13 of all the different ways that like CEOs just respond to things.

51:16 So like this reminded me a lot of Carl Pay with nothing because

51:22 that's a company that has turned negative

51:23 feedback into content in an interesting way.

51:26 Like we will [laughter] occasionally talk bad about nothing products.

51:32 And there are three things I know to be true in life, which is death, taxes,

51:36 and that Carl Pay will turn that into a YouTube

51:37 video and just make a bunch of views.

51:39 Like they [clears throat] turn it into content

51:41 in a way that allows him a platform to respond

51:44 without suing creators into oblivion.

51:47 So I think like that's an interesting way

51:49 of going about it and Motorola should uh pay attention.

51:52 Yeah, they're owned by Lenovo as you remember.

51:54 So true.

51:56 Yeah, I did not remember that.

51:57 Oh, I completely forgot.

51:59 I will remind you.

52:00 And uh yeah, it's just it's just not a good look.

52:03 You shouldn't repress people's speech and that's bad.

52:05 So, we'll have to follow that lawsuit

52:06 and see if anything actually comes from it.

52:08 There's one other big story here.

52:10 Speaking of following something,

52:11 I'm going to talk about basketball.

52:13 So, I hope you're proud of me.

52:17 Steph Curry, you know, the king as uh you know,

52:20 we in the basketball industry call him.

52:22 Oh, boy.

52:22 The king is LeBron.

52:24 [laughter]

52:24 Is that really There is another player.

52:26 I'll stop you when you say something.

52:28 I'll stop you if you say anything crazy, but you're on the right track.

52:30 so far.

52:30 Okay.

52:31 Well, he, you know, plays for the Golden State Warriors.

52:34 You know, he's been playing for them for a while.

52:36 He's so good with his accuracy.

52:37 When he shoots the ball, it usually goes in the the circle, the hoop.

52:42 It's kind of crazy how many times he can get it in there.

52:44 Yep.

52:45 Yep.

52:46 So, uh, also was an investor in um, Palm.

52:50 [laughter] I met him

52:51 also correct

52:52 during my Palm briefing and he was wearing it as a necklace.

52:57 Yeah.

52:57 Anyway, the NBA is very uh deeply rooted in Google sponsorship.

53:02 Uh they do a lot of pixel stuff.

53:04 Famously, a couple of the NBA stars like use pixels every day

53:08 and they say they actually like it even though people don't think they do.

53:11 They they they really do.

53:13 They really

53:14 maybe do.

53:15 They really do.

53:16 They really say that they do.

53:19 Yeah.

53:18 Um and we have been hearing these rumors of a new

53:21 Fitbit coming out that's supposed to compete with Whoop.

53:23 Because remember here on the Waveform Podcast, we hate Whoop.

53:28 down with that company.

53:30 We are whoop haters.

53:31 We are Whoop haters certified.

53:33 Andrew's not here to defend himself.

53:35 And so

53:36 Andrew famously loves Whoop.

53:38 Loves I mean he Andrew's obsessed with this.

53:40 We always we always dunk on Whoop.

53:41 And he's like sticking up for them, but yeah, he's not here for that.

53:44 So if you don't know what a Whoop is,

53:46 it's imagine a smartwatch without the watch.

53:49 It's the watch band, but it's thicker.

53:51 And the idea is like you don't want to wear a smartwatch,

53:54 but it gives you deeper analytics about your body.

53:56 It's got all these different data points and they're suing like a smaller

53:59 app company because they think that they stole a lot of their data points.

54:02 It's very stupid.

54:04 Um, but it's like if you if you wanted all the the benefits

54:07 of an aura ring but you needed people to know you were wearing an

54:11 It's kind of a satisf.

54:15 Yeah, you got to get like an accessory

54:16 for that I think to wear like on your chest.

54:18 I'm going to do a weird pivot here

54:19 because over the weekend Man City beat Arsenal.

54:23 So, it was a very hard day for me as an Arsenal fan.

54:27 Uh, but at the end of it, Holland,

54:29 who's one of the great players in Man City, ripped off his shirt,

54:32 ran onto the field wearing a whoop band,

54:34 and I was like, he's allowed to play with that?

54:37 How?

54:37 Well, is that my Are they not allowed to play with those things?

54:39 I don't know.

54:40 It's under if it's under your shirt.

54:41 Yeah.

54:41 No, that's fine.

54:42 But they can't play it if it's over your shirt.

54:44 Guys, I don't know if you know this.

54:45 You play soccer with your feet.

54:47 So, I think I think

54:48 Okay.

54:48 I play I play a sport where uh before every game they line all the players up,

54:53 they do the national anthem and then they go down

54:55 the refs go down the line and if any player

54:57 has on any wristband or jewelry or necklace or anything

55:00 that could get caught on a finger and like pull that makes sense.

55:03 They tell you to take it off.

55:05 Okay.

55:05 So you can wear it under your sleeve,

55:06 you can wear it somewhere where it's not going to get caught,

55:08 but then if it is out, you got to take it off.

55:11 I have a question about that.

55:12 Yeah.

55:12 I currently have a bracelet that I cannot take off.

55:14 Yep.

55:15 What happens in this case?

55:16 They will take tape and tape it to your wrist fully so

55:19 it can't get caught with like a finger and you take it off

55:22 because it was one of those things where they

55:23 like zap it in place and it's there forever.

55:26 Yeah.

55:26 It's one of those brands.

55:27 You did that?

55:27 There's other people that have that.

55:28 Yeah.

55:29 They're like or they just refuse to take it off

55:30 or whatever it is so they just get it taped on.

55:33 Whoa.

55:35 Yeah.

55:34 You did that to yourself?

55:35 [laughter] Myself.

55:37 It's just a bracelet.

55:38 It's like being chained to something for your whole life.

55:41 Kind of.

55:42 To what?

55:42 To the chain.

55:44 Yeah, I guess.

55:45 Anyway, that's like a tattoo, bro.

55:46 Okay.

55:47 Yeah.

55:49 Well, yeah, I have none of those.

55:49 [laughter]

55:52 Okay, fair point.

55:53 Fair point.

55:53 Anyway, uh back to Steph Curry.

55:55 You know, the king

55:57 as we like to call him in the basketball world.

55:59 I don't want to stop you.

56:00 I'm going to keep Yeah, that's fine.

56:01 You know, he shoots a lot of hoops.

56:02 So, he's got he's been wearing this unidentified uh

56:08 Fitbit device for many months.

56:11 Yep.

56:11 You know, there have been articles that have been coming

56:13 out that's just like little glimpses of him wearing it.

56:16 But then Kellen at Droid Life, shout out to Kellen,

56:19 one of the most OG phone YouTubers there are.

56:23 Legend.

56:22 In 2012, I had push bullet notifications for every article that Kellen wrote.

56:27 Pretty sick.

56:28 He's still going strong.

56:29 He decided to get a little bit obsessed with this cuz he's a huge basketball fan

56:33 and uh you know, as we as we all are here in the way podcast,

56:37 he's specifically a Trailblazers fan cuz he's in Portland.

56:40 That's tough.

56:40 Okay.

56:40 Yeah, that's just been tough.

56:42 Well, he analyzed a ton of Instagram videos, YouTube videos,

56:47 and um I think there was even one other

56:49 thing just a lot of videos on the internet and Getty Images Getty images

56:53 of Steph Curry over the last like since February effectively.

56:56 And he was able to catch multiple multiple multiple glimpses of Steph

57:00 Curry wearing this unannounced Fitbit band

57:03 that is supposed to compete with Whoop.

57:05 It is much thinner than a Whoop.

57:07 It kind of just looks like a pixel watch band,

57:10 but it's slightly thicker at the top.

57:13 And Steph Curry never wears it during the games.

57:15 I'm guessing for the same reason that you can't wear bracelets and stuff.

57:18 He never wears it visibly during the games,

57:20 but there could be a chest strap or some random Yeah, maybe accessory.

57:24 Maybe.

57:24 Um, but there are multiple screenshots of him wearing it out and about.

57:28 There is even an image that Kellen caught where he has an app

57:32 open on his phone that appears to be sort of like a new redesign.

57:36 Oh, I watched that video.

57:37 I didn't even catch that.

57:38 Damn.

57:39 That's good.

57:39 [laughter]

57:40 That's crazy.

57:40 Hiding in plain sight.

57:44 Yeah.

57:42 Yeah.

57:43 Um, so I imagine that, you know,

57:45 it's been months since this has been kind of being leaked

57:49 and I feel like Google's leaking this on purpose at this point.

57:52 Yeah.

57:53 Honestly, this to me is the best case scenario.

57:55 I imagine he's invested in Fitbit or some

57:57 like a lot of Golden State Warriors players,

58:00 California team are connected with a lot of California companies,

58:03 so there's a lot of tech connections.

58:04 So I wouldn't be shocked if he's invested in his company or something like that.

58:07 And

58:07 maybe it's just Google there's some

58:09 Yeah, for sure.

58:09 Or they have some partnership, whatever it is.

58:11 And so Steph organically deciding to wear

58:15 this for weeks and weeks before it comes out is

58:18 is the best possible endorsement of the product.

58:23 Right.

58:22 To me, it's it's elite athlete chooses to use this product before it comes out

58:27 before he's probably going to get paid to do a commercial or whatever about it.

58:30 he's going to be able to actually say he's been

58:32 using it and probably actually like really uses it and cares.

58:37 Yeah.

58:36 So I Yeah, it's just free promo for them.

58:39 Google stuff leaks already anyway all the time.

58:41 So here we are.

58:43 Yeah.

58:43 Um but it looks good.

58:44 I personally I would love something like this that gives

58:47 you all the analytics but that you can put on any watch cuz it looks like it's

58:50 just a watch band size with a slightly thicker top.

58:54 Well the puck that's where it's measuring everything from.

58:56 Yeah.

58:56 Yeah.

58:56 But if they were able to put that in the bottom part

58:59 and then you could just wear a regular watch on the top.

59:02 I think that would be sick.

59:03 Or maybe even like clip a watch to it.

59:05 I don't know how that would work.

59:07 But

59:07 I guess you maybe could.

59:09 Yeah, maybe you could just sew a watch.

59:10 My problem with putting it on the bottom of a watch band

59:12 is that not all watches are meant for like sports and stuff.

59:15 So if you're like wearing a watch that you

59:17 don't want to smash into a wall, you know, [snorts]

59:20 I wouldn't want to have my tracker on the bottom of that.

59:23 But having an option would be nice.

59:24 Yeah.

59:25 Well, it looks very googly.

59:26 Um, it kind of is just like this.

59:28 I don't even how do you know how to des Can you describe this?

59:31 It's like a So, it looks like the What's that Apple Watch band called?

59:35 It's like the uh trail loop.

59:37 Trail loop.

59:37 It looks like a a trail loop band but without the Apple

59:40 Watch and instead it just has this small puck under it.

59:43 If you've seen Meta's uh wristband for their glasses,

59:47 it kind of has like roughly that amount and it's

59:49 on the back of your wrist where the watch would be.

59:52 Yeah.

59:51 So, no screen, no time.

59:53 Again, it seems weird to people who don't use it,

59:55 but a lot of people don't want a screen on their wrist,

59:57 so it just has long battery and it just sits there and measures

59:59 your stuff and you check the app when you want to see the info.

1:00:01 And

1:00:02 yeah, yeah, they're finally going to compete in that space.

1:00:04 It's funny how out in the open he has been with this, though.

1:00:06 Like there's there's a image of him giving an interview.

1:00:09 Yeah.

1:00:09 Press conference.

1:00:10 Press conference and he's just got it on.

1:00:12 Crazy.

1:00:13 Yeah.

1:00:15 Um,

1:00:14 have you guys used the new Fitbit Coach thing?

1:00:17 But you've been using it, right?

1:00:18 I've been using it.

1:00:19 I really like it.

1:00:20 Really?

1:00:21 But to this product's credit, uh,

1:00:25 it pretty much only works with Fitbit devices and or my Pixel Watch.

1:00:29 Yeah.

1:00:29 And I don't wear my Pixel Watch every day because it's a Pixel Watch.

1:00:34 Yeah.

1:00:34 It's like it's fine,

1:00:34 but it's not the one that I'm like I'm usually wearing like a real watch.

1:00:38 So, this is like I'm actually very interested in something like

1:00:41 this because Fitbit back in the day to me was this.

1:00:45 It was just a random little tracker that pretty

1:00:48 much everyone would walk into Best Buy and buy.

1:00:50 you can swap out the bands and everything like that.

1:00:52 Then they started getting like a little bit

1:00:53 more smarter and smarter and all this stuff.

1:00:55 But like the core of what Fitbit always was to me was just this little tracker.

1:00:59 So if I can just have the little tracker with these in-depth

1:01:02 analytics that you get from something like the Pixel Watch,

1:01:05 I think that would be pretty interesting.

1:01:06 Be a win.

1:01:07 Probably have a longer battery life, too.

1:01:08 Yeah.

1:01:08 When I when I worked at Intel,

1:01:10 like they they were only like 30 bucks at the time to get

1:01:12 the like little pedometer Fitbits that you could literally put in your shoe.

1:01:16 Yeah.

1:01:16 And then people would be able to and then we had like walking competitions

1:01:20 which is so funny because it's like who can get the least work done.

1:01:23 Um which nobody until gets work done anyway.

1:01:26 Allegedly this is going to be called Fitbit Air.

1:01:29 That's what I think 9 to5 Google found that.

1:01:32 Interesting.

1:01:32 Can we come up with different names?

1:01:33 That's my other I think this is there's

1:01:36 airs means light prot.

1:01:41 See the thing about Fitbit.

1:01:42 Fitbit's a good name for a product but it's their company name now.

1:01:44 Google Fitbit.

1:01:45 So you can't call it the Fitbit.

1:01:46 That would be a good thing to call this.

1:01:48 Yeah,

1:01:48 you got to call a Fitbit something.

1:01:50 Fitbit loop.

1:01:51 Maybe that could.

1:01:53 Yeah, Fitbit band.

1:01:55 Delicious something.

1:01:56 The Steph Curry.

1:01:57 Also, the king is LeBron.

1:01:58 So that's just the one correction I'll have.

1:02:00 So what do we call him?

1:02:01 We can call him the chef.

1:02:02 The chef.

1:02:03 I thought he was the goat.

1:02:05 That's I mean he's some people's goat, but Oh, okay.

1:02:08 He's

1:02:08 He is frequently referred to as Chef Curry.

1:02:10 Chef Curry.

1:02:11 Why?

1:02:11 Because

1:02:12 because his full name is Chefon.

1:02:16 And he he'd be cooking out there because he's cooking.

1:02:20 Yeah, that's good.

1:02:20 Chef Carrie with the pot.

1:02:23 Is that real?

1:02:24 Is that a real thing people say?

1:02:25 Trust me.

1:02:26 Yes.

1:02:27 Uh yeah.

1:02:27 No, it's great.

1:02:28 All right.

1:02:29 Last thing I want to do before we take

1:02:30 a quick break is I want to show you guys something.

1:02:32 And I just want to make sure I'm not crazy before I crash out about this.

1:02:35 So check Slack.

1:02:38 Okay.

1:02:37 Uh check the waveform Slack channel.

1:02:39 And I want you to open this Dropbox

1:02:40 link and just watch this quick minute long video.

1:02:45 And uh once you're done watching it, just let me know.

1:02:49 Is there sound?

1:02:50 You don't need the sound.

1:02:51 Okay.

1:02:51 You can see this is the Oppo Find X9 Ultra.

1:02:54 David, you want to describe what you're seeing?

1:02:56 All right.

1:02:56 So, this is the Oppo X9 Ultra.

1:02:59 Find X9 Ultra case.

1:03:03 Mhm.

1:03:02 Um Whoa.

1:03:03 Okay.

1:03:04 So, it's the phone and then it's like a giant accessory case.

1:03:07 looks like it's for photography stuff.

1:03:09 The case that is next to it is like insanely rugged looking.

1:03:14 Um, they slap the case on the phone.

1:03:16 It makes it basically an Otterbox.

1:03:17 It looks like a small rig had a baby with an Otterbox.

1:03:20 They put Oh, there's like a front attachment that locks in.

1:03:23 So, it's like fully encased in this case.

1:03:25 This is like an outdoor crazy outdoor setup.

1:03:29 Okay.

1:03:29 Now, he's got basically what looks like a gimbal attachment or something.

1:03:34 Oh, no.

1:03:34 It's a shooting grip attachment that plugs into the phone.

1:03:38 Looks very ROG to be honest.

1:03:40 Um, and then they attach a filter attachment to it

1:03:45 so they can put like an ND filter, a variable ND on there.

1:03:48 That's kind of cool.

1:03:50 Yeah, it's variable ND.

1:03:51 They're spinning it around.

1:03:53 Okay, now I hear what Marquez is going to say.

1:03:55 Now they touch a cooling fan.

1:03:56 Oh, now they attach a a lefthand grip for some reason.

1:04:01 Uh oh.

1:04:02 Uh, now they attach a cold shoe.

1:04:04 Oh, okay.

1:04:06 Now they're attaching a quick release for a Okay, it was for a tripod.

1:04:11 And now, oh my god, what is this?

1:04:14 Oh, there's a giant host of blood box.

1:04:16 Oh no, does this get crazier?

1:04:17 Oh no.

1:04:18 [laughter] Oh no.

1:04:22 Okay, there's a really,

1:04:24 really big Hassablad lens attachment that comes with like a tripod mount.

1:04:30 You have to put a lens adapter on in order to Oh my god.

1:04:35 [laughter] Oh my god.

1:04:38 This looks so insane.

1:04:41 Wait, the

1:04:41 What is this?

1:04:43 The final render at the end [laughter] doesn't have the lens tripod mount on it.

1:04:48 Yeah, it comes off.

1:04:48 It's a collar.

1:04:49 It comes off.

1:04:50 So, this [snorts] just looks like a Terminator situation.

1:04:52 Just tell me they sent this to you and you have all of this in the other room.

1:04:56 Okay.

1:04:56 So,

1:04:57 what in the world?

1:04:58 So, I watched this and my first thought is

1:05:02 what are we doing though for real?

1:05:04 For real.

1:05:04 I don't have a price tag on this, but I'm

1:05:07 assuming if you are willing to buy this uh flagship phone,

1:05:10 89 10 $1,000 phone, whatever,

1:05:12 and you're also going to buy the lens and the and the battery

1:05:15 grip and the the cold shoe and the cooling

1:05:18 fan and the lens adapter and the lens and the tripod

1:05:20 and all this stuff to go shoot with your phone.

1:05:23 You clearly really care about the quality of the work that you're making.

1:05:27 So why are you using your phone still spend all of that

1:05:33 on a cheap camera that will do better

1:05:36 than whatever you're about to shoot on your phone?

1:05:38 This is not a disc on the the camera on the phone.

1:05:41 It's a really good phone camera,

1:05:43 but physics is still real and you can still

1:05:46 get much better footage out of a dedicated camera,

1:05:49 plus better audio, plus better codecs, etc.

1:05:52 Yeah.

1:06:03 Is that valid?

1:06:04 I think that's this is too far.

1:06:05 I think that the only acceptable use

1:06:07 of like really really trying to improve your phone

1:06:09 camera as much as possible is if you

1:06:11 are going to make phone native content, right?

1:06:14 Because the the biggest annoyance of using a dedicated camera

1:06:17 to shoot content that is going to be on phones

1:06:20 is that you have to move all of the data to your phone eventually.

1:06:24 So the one plus for this the OPPO for this

1:06:28 is that uh I guess they're the same company is that you know if

1:06:31 you're going to shoot like a real or something all the footage is right there.

1:06:34 If you're editing on your phone it's right there.

1:06:36 But but then at that point it's like

1:06:39 this is clearly doesn't look like it's for reals.

1:06:41 This looks like it's for like a feature film.

1:06:42 You got it sideways.

1:06:44 This is going to be so hard to like you would

1:06:46 have to take all of this off your phone to begin editing.

1:06:49 This is unless you do it on your you edit.

1:06:51 This is like a 90second process.

1:06:53 I'm saying to even hold your phone in a way that's comfortable to edit,

1:06:55 do anything with the footage, you would need to disassemble this whole package.

1:06:58 [laughter] Yeah.

1:06:59 Instead of just blipping the photos to yourself like this is like um Yeah.

1:07:03 It's like you decide you want to get this shot

1:07:05 or however many shots or this whole shoot you're about to do,

1:07:07 you have to go through this like

1:07:08 two-minute process of like assembling your phone rig.

1:07:11 Yeah.

1:07:12 which valid.

1:07:13 You have a rig, you're going to get pretty footage,

1:07:15 but you could spend 2 seconds turning

1:07:18 on a regular camera and just start getting footage.

1:07:21 And I just think, yeah, this is this is in the valley between

1:07:24 like good phone footage and and regular camera footage.

1:07:27 You know how you have that analogy of like VR headsets

1:07:30 and like glasses and how they're both trying to move towards each other?

1:07:35 Yeah.

1:07:34 This is like smartphone and camera and they're both trying to move towards

1:07:37 each other except the the smartphone went way too far over the line.

1:07:41 It really has

1:07:42 cuz cameras have they there are now cameras you can buy that are just allin-one.

1:07:45 They have really good mic like pickup mics.

1:07:47 They have really good quality.

1:07:49 They're small.

1:07:50 They have really good stabilization.

1:07:51 It's just allin-one like really quick short

1:07:54 form content or YouTube video content cameras.

1:07:58 Yeah.

1:07:57 And that's moved towards the smartphone line.

1:08:00 But this just went way over the line.

1:08:02 I think it's way over.

1:08:03 Yeah.

1:08:03 This is crazy.

1:08:04 Yeah.

1:08:04 It's insane.

1:08:05 Other problem is if you spend like you're going

1:08:07 to spend like $800 on the accessories alone on like

1:08:09 it's probably $1,000 uh phone and you spend $800

1:08:13 on the accessories and then you can never upgrade your phone.

1:08:16 Yeah.

1:08:16 Once you move phones you're like well I

1:08:18 guess I don't use any of this stuff anymore.

1:08:20 Useless now.

1:08:20 Like it's at least with a dedicated camera like them the glass is

1:08:25 always going to be relevant because they always use the same mount.

1:08:27 Most of the accessories can be used on any camera cuz it's all universal.

1:08:30 No, this can only be used with the Oppo Find X9 Ultra.

1:08:34 Yeah.

1:08:34 Which by the way, weird small rig cage aside, the phone is beautiful.

1:08:40 The phone is really good without it.

1:08:44 Yeah.

1:08:44 When you take all the other other stuff off,

1:08:45 the phone itself is like aesthetically gorgeous.

1:08:47 Yeah.

1:08:48 By the time you watch this, our video on it is up.

1:08:50 It's called So, this is Peak smartphone.

1:08:52 Uh because smartphones [snorts] are just we've gotten to the point

1:08:56 where they're so good that they're good at everything already.

1:09:00 And any differentiating factor is really just preference.

1:09:02 Yeah, I think that's my take basically on this.

1:09:05 And so when you look at like what do we want from a good smartphone screen?

1:09:09 Well, I don't know.

1:09:10 I just want it to be bright enough and good looking enough that I

1:09:12 can see it all the time and it just looks good all the time.

1:09:15 Okay.

1:09:15 Well, it is.

1:09:16 It's a high refresh rate,

1:09:17 super bright OLED that gets to 144 hertz and we'll go down to one

1:09:21 herz and has high frequency PWM dimming and it just looks awesome all the time.

1:09:24 So, success.

1:09:25 What about battery?

1:09:26 Oh, I don't know.

1:09:26 I just hope it never dies on me.

1:09:29 Okay.

1:09:30 7,000 milliamp hours and silicon carbon and it's like

1:09:33 it'll charge at 100 watts if it ever dies.

1:09:35 All right, mission accomplished.

1:09:36 You kind of go down the line, we've done everything.

1:09:38 Cameras are the last thing.

1:09:39 They're trying this stuff.

1:09:41 They're putting huge 200 megapixel sensors in there.

1:09:44 They take good smartphone photos all the time,

1:09:46 but they're never going to take good, you know, highle camera photos.

1:09:50 So, it's just like this is good smartphone photography and there it is.

1:09:54 Yeah, a great phone.

1:09:54 I have a question for you.

1:09:56 Yeah.

1:09:56 If the accessories and the lens and everything

1:09:58 was able to be adjusted to fit future phones,

1:10:01 would that change your opinion on it?

1:10:03 That would improve it,

1:10:05 but it would still feel like you're you're kind of spending too much time on cuz

1:10:10 the thing about a smartphone camera is it's

1:10:13 so convenient to just pull out the camera,

1:10:15 open the app, and get the shot or just get the videos.

1:10:17 That's the strength is versatility.

1:10:19 So, if you're throwing away all the versatility to get this super good quality,

1:10:26 then why not just get the super good quality?

1:10:28 You know what I mean?

1:10:29 Yeah.

1:10:30 Like, just get the camera.

1:10:32 And it's actually more versatile again because it takes

1:10:34 two seconds to boot it up and just start shooting.

1:10:36 So, you're taking the strength of the smartphone, which is versatility.

1:10:39 You're throwing it all away to like clip this case on, clip the lens mount

1:10:42 on, clip the lens on, get the collar on the lens, do all this stuff.

1:10:45 And by that point, you you're aren't you're getting better footage,

1:10:48 but like you could just get a camera,

1:10:50 but it probably cost the same amount

1:10:51 as like an $800 all-in-one Sony vlogging camera,

1:10:54 which is gonna beat this.

1:10:55 Yeah.

1:10:55 So, yeah.

1:10:56 Yeah.

1:10:57 Yeah.

1:10:58 That's pretty insane.

1:10:59 All right.

1:10:59 I'm glad I'm glad I'm not alone in this.

1:11:01 That's pretty insane.

1:11:02 Anyway, go watch that video.

1:11:02 It's the Opine X9 Ultra.

1:11:04 Really good phone.

1:11:04 Obviously, great cameras, but people are going too far.

1:11:08 Yeah.

1:11:08 All right.

1:11:08 We'll take a quick break.

1:11:09 And before we do that, one more time, trivia.

1:11:13 Something that's universal across every waveform episode.

1:11:16 [music] That's good.

1:11:18 Nice.

1:11:18 That's good.

1:11:19 Where in the world is Tim Cook from?

1:11:23 Dang.

1:11:23 Do you need the city?

1:11:24 City and state, please.

1:11:25 Okay.

1:11:25 I think I know.

1:11:26 I think I think I know.

1:11:28 I know, but you guys said stuff before that makes me think I'm wrong.

1:11:31 Now, I have a a good a good hint if you need it later.

1:11:34 I'll take a hint.

1:11:35 The Georgia I'll wait.

1:11:36 I'll wait till the uh till

1:11:38 I think the hint has something to do with someone in the studio here.

1:11:41 I don't think we need a hint.

1:11:42 No.

1:11:42 All right, then.

1:11:42 I'm not going to be right.

1:11:44 Chicago.

1:11:45 [laughter] All right.

1:11:46 Well, we'll either be right or we'll learn something.

1:11:49 That's it.

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1:13:59 Welcome back, everybody.

1:14:00 Welcome back.

1:14:01 Welcome back.

1:14:02 Welcome back.

1:14:02 I like that.

1:14:03 Marquez has to get on a plane in an hour and a half.

1:14:05 An hour and a half.

1:14:05 I'll be on the plane in an hour and a half.

1:14:08 Okay.

1:14:07 It'll be great.

1:14:07 Well, you Yeah, I guess so.

1:14:09 Okay, we're going to speed through these because Marquez has

1:14:11 to get on a plane in an hour and a half.

1:14:12 Yeah, nerd.

1:14:13 So, there's uh we talked about the GoPro cameras last week.

1:14:15 It was pretty crazy.

1:14:16 They have new cameras out there.

1:14:17 The Mission One, there's a Mission One Pro,

1:14:18 and there's a Mission One in lens system.

1:14:21 Uh we now have prices for these GoPros.

1:14:23 Ellis is very excited about using them for uh lenses.

1:14:27 He's Yeihan over there.

1:14:28 So, now we got the prices.

1:14:30 The Mission One, $5.99.

1:14:33 Okay.

1:14:33 The Mission One Pro $6.99.

1:14:36 Okay.

1:14:35 And the Mission One Pro ILS $6.99.

1:14:37 But, okay, these are all discounted by $100 if you have a uh GoPro subscription,

1:14:43 which I didn't know what that meant.

1:14:43 What does that subscription get you, David?

1:14:45 I had to look it up.

1:14:46 It is uh cloud storage.

1:14:48 It kind of makes auto automated little videos for you based on your footage.

1:14:52 Um, a GoPro subscription.

1:14:54 Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

1:14:55 It's a warranty program, too.

1:14:56 It's also a warranty program.

1:14:58 Yeah.

1:14:58 Insurance type program.

1:15:00 You know how there's like the beastification of YouTube?

1:15:02 Is this the amplification of tech companies?

1:15:04 A GoPro subscription.

1:15:06 Everyone needs recurring revenue.

1:15:08 You can.

1:15:08 It's basically like you're a hardware company,

1:15:09 but you need more recurring revenue.

1:15:11 So, you just bundle together some things

1:15:13 that would work well with your hardware.

1:15:14 I'm not saying this is a bad idea, but wow.

1:15:16 A GoPro.

1:15:17 I think it's a bad idea.

1:15:18 There's no money in selling something once.

1:15:20 You got to sell it a 100 times.

1:15:21 I I don't know how the subscription works,

1:15:23 but if the camera is able to auto upload to this cloud storage Yeah.

1:15:27 No, I'm sure it's very clever.

1:15:29 GoPros find themselves in situations where they become former GoPros often,

1:15:33 you know, and so being able to know that footage is in the cloud.

1:15:37 Not bad.

1:15:38 Yeah.

1:15:38 A GoPro subscription.

1:15:40 Yeah.

1:15:40 Wow.

1:15:40 I guess.

1:15:41 Uh yeah.

1:15:42 What do we think?

1:15:43 Wait, what's so f there's a Mission One and a Mission One Pro.

1:15:46 What is the $100 difference between those cameras?

1:15:48 mostly based around the types of uh like the frame rates that they can record.

1:15:53 So like 4K 240 fps versus 4K 120.

1:15:57 You get 8K 60 on the Pro versus AK30 on the regular one.

1:16:00 The Pro has more processing power.

1:16:02 It can handle higher frame rates.

1:16:03 Yeah.

1:16:03 Yeah.

1:16:03 Yeah.

1:16:03 Okay.

1:16:04 So that's the main difference.

1:16:05 I still really want to shoot with them.

1:16:06 I just got to see how good the footage is because we just

1:16:08 showed you that insane rig with the phone with the OPPO and like

1:16:11 this is going to be you could get one of these and probably get

1:16:15 really good footage from it and it'll just be like a one button click.

1:16:18 Yeah, I would rather have this than the phone.

1:16:19 So, yeah, we'll we'll have to get some and shoot with them and see.

1:16:22 Much smaller.

1:16:22 Okay.

1:16:23 Uh we got some iPhone colorful f uh colorful iPhone pro rumors.

1:16:28 So, instead of just the Oh, I love this.

1:16:31 Yeah.

1:16:31 So, the rumors are that the iPhone Pro is gonna come in this light blue.

1:16:35 Don't care.

1:16:36 Panone 2121.

1:16:38 Dark cherry.

1:16:39 Kind of don't care either.

1:16:40 What is wrong with you, Marquez?

1:16:42 This is crazy.

1:16:42 Keep going.

1:16:43 Uh, silver, don't care.

1:16:44 Uh, dark gray.

1:16:46 Hell yeah.

1:16:47 [laughter] Hell yeah.

1:16:49 That looks And you saw the renders.

1:16:53 Yes.

1:16:53 Yes.

1:16:54 Yes.

1:16:54 Please.

1:16:55 Oh my god.

1:16:55 Give me a dark neutral.

1:16:57 You're like a Staten Island mom picking out the color of her car.

1:17:00 Like, ew.

1:17:01 any semblance of saturation, get it out of here.

1:17:04 It's just it's just the best looking one.

1:17:06 And you know what's funny?

1:17:07 These are actually very popular car colors.

1:17:09 Silver, light blue, dark cherry,

1:17:12 which is kind of like the burgundy car you see everywhere, and then black.

1:17:14 The only other popular colors I've seen are like white and beige.

1:17:18 Uh yeah.

1:17:18 No, this is going to look good.

1:17:20 I think the silver actually looks sick.

1:17:21 The thing is, Ellis, I shoot a lot of car videos for autofocus on the phone.

1:17:25 I get it.

1:17:26 And the color of the iPhone reflects in every screen in the car every time.

1:17:30 Yeah.

1:17:30 And I've had an orange iPhone for many of these videos.

1:17:32 And I pointed at that CarPlay screen and there is just orange hitting

1:17:36 me back in the in the camera lens and I can't take it anymore.

1:17:38 I need And the blue one, it's close, but I just give me a black phone.

1:17:41 That dark cherry purple is pretty fire.

1:17:42 I'm not going to lie.

1:17:43 It's It's It's I had two questions here.

1:17:47 Yeah.

1:17:46 One, does this mean orange is dead?

1:17:48 Yep.

1:17:49 Yep.

1:17:49 Forever.

1:17:49 Like that's it.

1:17:50 It'll come back in like 5 years.

1:17:51 Purple is the new orange.

1:17:52 So this is nice.

1:17:53 So this is like a That was a celebrity color.

1:17:56 Wait, no.

1:17:57 Literally.

1:17:58 Oh, no.

1:17:58 It doesn't work.

1:17:58 I always say orange is the new black, but black is the new orange.

1:18:01 Black is the new orange.

1:18:02 That's even better.

1:18:03 Well, I don't think it's black.

1:18:04 Orange.

1:18:04 I think purple is new orange.

1:18:06 Second, is the space gray name dead?

1:18:08 Is that still available for iPhone?

1:18:10 You can buy it on the MacBook is still space gray.

1:18:12 MacBook is still space gray.

1:18:13 Is it not space black now?

1:18:15 Oh, it might be space black.

1:18:16 No, I thought space black is a different color though.

1:18:18 Yeah, you're right.

1:18:19 Space gray is I have the space black MacBook Pro.

1:18:22 Space black, right?

1:18:22 Yeah, same.

1:18:24 I think it's called space black now.

1:18:26 But they do they know also because space is You know what's funny?

1:18:28 We talked about this in an earlier episode.

1:18:30 Space is gray.

1:18:31 No, space is cosmic [laughter] latte.

1:18:34 Cosmic latte.

1:18:35 It's not fully black is the point.

1:18:36 Cosmic latte.

1:18:37 We talked about this.

1:18:38 Uh the average color of the universe.

1:18:40 What is this?

1:18:40 What is this Mac iPad iPhone air color?

1:18:42 Is it just It's not black.

1:18:44 It's probably just black.

1:18:45 They would they would never call something black.

1:18:47 I don't know.

1:18:47 They might.

1:18:48 They would call it ambient stillness.

1:18:51 I don't know.

1:18:52 That was bad.

1:18:52 Okay.

1:18:52 So, the MacBook Pro is space black.

1:18:55 So is the iPhone Air.

1:18:57 iPhone Air is space black.

1:18:58 Yeah.

1:18:59 So that's it, right?

1:19:01 Yeah.

1:19:00 That's what I saw the leak and I was like, "Oh, okay.

1:19:02 Space gray is back." And then I read it and I was like, "Wait."

1:19:04 Well, they could still call it space gray.

1:19:06 I mean, they could, but what is it supposed to be?

1:19:08 Dark gray.

1:19:09 Yeah.

1:19:09 It's just dark gray.

1:19:09 Like it's black, dark gray, whatever.

1:19:11 But like I like I don't know, maybe I've been like apple pilled,

1:19:14 but I liked space gray as a name.

1:19:16 I was like that that's cool.

1:19:19 It's too reminiscent of the Johnny IV era for me.

1:19:22 I feel like we need to move past it, you know?

1:19:24 Interesting.

1:19:25 Yeah.

1:19:26 Um, okay.

1:19:26 So, now that Marquez has to board in 1 hour and 20 minutes, uh,

1:19:31 we got to talk about this Huawei Pura XMax Foldy Boy that they just launched.

1:19:38 Huawei.

1:19:37 Huaw.

1:19:38 Why?

1:19:38 Because they want to get ahead of Apple.

1:19:41 They want to get a No, that doesn't work.

1:19:44 They want to get way Huawei ahead of Huawei ahead of Apple.

1:19:48 Yes, we first saw uh rumors and leaks of this last week,

1:19:50 but now we have specs and pricing.

1:19:52 It is a short boy.

1:19:54 It's a short king.

1:19:54 5.4 in um cover display with 3,500 nit brightness.

1:20:00 So very short phone.

1:20:01 It's definitely the passport style.

1:20:03 Short king.

1:20:03 7.7 in internal display.

1:20:06 3300 nits.

1:20:06 Both support 120 Hz LTPO.

1:20:09 It's got that homegrown Kierin 9030 Pro chip.

1:20:13 5300 mAh battery.

1:20:15 Wish that was bigger.

1:20:18 Yeah.

1:20:17 Um 66 watt wired charging and 50 watt wireless charging.

1:20:21 Wow.

1:20:21 50 megapixel main, 50 megap telly, 12.5 megapixel ultrawide.

1:20:26 Um, I just love triple cameras that there are triple cameras.

1:20:29 I the iPhone's not going to do that and that's

1:20:31 really sad cuz I really wish they would.

1:20:33 Supports Huawei's M Pen 3 mini stylus so

1:20:37 you can use that as a little notebook thing.

1:20:39 $1,600 for the 12 GB, 250 GB version, 256 GB version.

1:20:45 $1,800 for the 512 GB version.

1:20:48 and uh $2,000 for 16 gigs of RAM and 1 TB of storage.

1:20:52 Really expensive phone for sure.

1:20:54 As will the rest of these be.

1:20:55 As will the rest of these be.

1:20:57 So, you know, um yeah,

1:21:00 it looks just like kind of the iPhone is going to look probably,

1:21:03 but it's got more cameras.

1:21:04 You left one thing out about this exciting new announcement from Huawei,

1:21:07 the colors.

1:21:08 Uh no that um unlike most Huawei products uh

1:21:13 the Verge article I think that reported whichever article

1:21:16 was linked in the show doc said that it

1:21:18 is unclear whether it'll come out outside of China.

1:21:21 So we might actually be able to get a global quote unquote global

1:21:25 minus United States version if it comes to Yeah.

1:21:26 Yeah.

1:21:27 Yeah.

1:21:27 It could come to European or it could not.

1:21:31 That's true.

1:21:31 I hope it does.

1:21:32 You know what is clear?

1:21:33 What?

1:21:33 The thing that we do at the end of every trivia.

1:21:35 I mean, at the end of every podcast episode, I guess.

1:21:38 Yeah.

1:21:38 There's not much more we can really say about this at the moment.

1:21:41 No.

1:21:42 No.

1:21:42 Unless there's been breaking news.

1:21:44 There hasn't been.

1:21:46 I don't think.

1:21:47 Uh, but I do need to address

1:21:48 something real quick because uh certain video viewers

1:21:53 may have been wondering why I'm literally

1:21:55 decked out head to toe in Philadelphia 76.

1:21:58 Head to toe is not an exaggeration.

1:22:01 I've got the socks.

1:22:02 They're Oh, they're on your head and on your toes.

1:22:06 This man is committed.

1:22:07 Head to toe.

1:22:08 And that is because Oh my god, my leg is cramping from that move.

1:22:11 Wow.

1:22:12 I need to stretch more.

1:22:14 Tonight, the Philadelphia 76ers play game two against the Boston Celtics.

1:22:20 Last game, we lost by 30 points.

1:22:23 And I realize that is my fault.

1:22:25 I did not do enough to cheer on this team.

1:22:28 So, for the next 15 seconds or so, this is a Philadelphia 76ers podcast.

1:22:32 Tyrese Maxi is a dog.

1:22:34 Kelly Ubé is a dog.

1:22:36 BJ Edgecomb dog.

1:22:37 These boys are going to take us all the way to the NBA finals, baby.

1:22:41 And if you don't believe, you're not a friend of mine.

1:22:44 Go Sixers forever.

1:22:48 I'm really sorry about that.

1:22:50 What are we going to do when they get swept, [laughter] bro?

1:22:54 If they get sw you know, honestly, like I thought about it.

1:22:57 I was like, how will I emotionally recover from a sweep?

1:23:01 Because I have been through Philadelphia 76ers fans, I will make the statement,

1:23:05 have been through more than any other fan base

1:23:08 in the NBA, especially in the last 10 years.

1:23:10 The amount of like insane stats that are just emotionally punishing.

1:23:14 Like every sports fans believes this about their own team, by the way.

1:23:16 I know, but have you our star player has gotten sick

1:23:20 for four out of the last seven like not injured, sick?

1:23:24 That's a bummer.

1:23:24 You know what I before like like the fact

1:23:26 that we continually have to play the Boston Celtics,

1:23:29 both of whom star players we had the ability to draft and didn't.

1:23:33 Um, could be a he could be a Knicks fan.

1:23:36 Okay, but the Knicks owner isn't literally in the Epstein files.

1:23:39 Like I there's there's just like so many things

1:23:42 that it's just like this fan and then I realized Rockets fan.

1:23:45 This is what being a Sixers fan is all about.

1:23:47 Any of us could jump ship at any point,

1:23:50 [laughter] but we want the chaotic ride, baby.

1:23:53 We want Kelly Ubé getting hit by a car two weeks after joining the team.

1:23:57 Okay, we want Joel Embiid showing up.

1:24:00 No, Kelly Ubé, please don't get hit by another car.

1:24:02 But it's like I I love you, Kelly Ubé, man.

1:24:05 Your eyes are so beautiful.

1:24:07 Tsunami Poppy, you're like literally my favorite guy.

1:24:09 Please just stay off the bicycle in Center City for a little bit.

1:24:14 Um, what's Tim Cook's favorite soda pop?

1:24:17 Oh, yeah.

1:24:18 Wait, wasn't this the second question?

1:24:19 This was the first question.

1:24:22 Oh.

1:24:28 I don't even know sodas.

1:24:32 Soda pop.

1:24:32 You know, you're my soda pop.

1:24:34 Yeah, I feel I feel like you'd know that [music] intrinsically, Marquez.

1:24:37 You love K-pop demon hunters.

1:24:39 Yeah, but that doesn't mean I name sodas.

1:24:41 I don't know anything about sodas.

1:24:43 Here we go.

1:24:43 I thought of one.

1:24:47 Who wants to read first?

1:24:49 I I'll read mine.

1:24:50 Yeah.

1:24:51 Orange Crush.

1:24:53 Yeah.

1:24:54 Uh that's a real soda, right?

1:24:57 Yeah.

1:24:56 Yeah.

1:24:57 Pepsi.

1:24:59 It is a Pepsi product, though.

1:25:00 Oh, really?

1:25:01 Because according to the Wall Street Journal, Tim Cook's favorite soda

1:25:04 is Diet Mountain Dew.

1:25:07 The least Tim Cook soda imaginable.

1:25:09 I didn't even know they made Diet Mountain Dew.

1:25:11 [laughter] And of course, like Andrew is not here today.

1:25:15 That's crazy.

1:25:16 All right, follow-up question.

1:25:18 Where is Tim Cook from?

1:25:20 [clears throat] This is a Tim Cook podcast today [music] for obvious reasons.

1:25:24 My hint is that it is arguably the most hilarious

1:25:27 city in America for a [music] phone executive to be from.

1:25:32 Good hint.

1:25:33 Really good hint.

1:25:34 I'm wrong.

1:25:35 [laughter] I can't think of I can't even think of an answer for that.

1:25:37 I feel like that'd be Weed California.

1:25:39 That would be pretty funny.

1:25:40 But this specifically for a smartphone executive.

1:25:45 Yeah, the way funnier.

1:25:47 Flip them and read.

1:25:48 What do we got?

1:25:51 Uh, I don't know.

1:25:53 Uh, Paris, Texas.

1:25:56 I wrote Dallas, Texas.

1:25:58 Is it Houston?

1:26:00 No.

1:26:01 Oh.

1:26:01 So, before I tell you how wrong you guys are, quick update on the score.

1:26:04 Marquez with 21.

1:26:06 Andrew with 22.

1:26:07 I'd like to stay at 21.

1:26:09 David in the lead with 26.

1:26:10 The answer.

1:26:11 Mobile, Alabama.

1:26:13 I thought I said it was the South and you guys said it wasn't.

1:26:16 No, you said the Midwest.

1:26:17 Oh, what's the difference?

1:26:20 Where's the bar?

1:26:21 How far south?

1:26:22 The bar is in both places, actually.

1:26:24 Famously.

1:26:25 Alabama.

1:26:25 Mobile.

1:26:26 Oh, I get it.

1:26:26 Mobile like because it's spelled mobile.

1:26:28 Mobile.

1:26:28 Mobile.

1:26:29 That's pretty funny.

1:26:31 Alabama.

1:26:31 That's good, right?

1:26:31 That's good.

1:26:33 Good.

1:26:33 Good hint from Ellis.

1:26:34 I You know, that's Well, we learned two new things about Tim Cook.

1:26:38 Maybe next time we'll learn some new things

1:26:39 about John Turnis or even some other CEOs.

1:26:42 Who knows?

1:26:43 Could get really fun.

1:26:44 Definitely stay tuned uh for your regularly scheduled programming

1:26:46 and that bonus episode that Andrew is in exactly half of.

1:26:50 And uh yeah, go watch the Apple.

1:26:53 This is actually a technology jersey, too.

1:26:58 Okay.

1:26:57 It's got the threads in it or something cuz it's an AI jersey.

1:27:00 An AI AI jersey.

1:27:02 No more puns.

1:27:03 Is that Alan Iverson?

1:27:05 Alan Iverson.

1:27:05 That's AI, baby.

1:27:06 All right.

1:27:06 We'll be right back.

1:27:07 See you next week.

1:27:09 Wait, I just want real quick.

1:27:12 Subscribe so you can turn us into one of the top podcasts in the world.

1:27:19 Sorry, I had to do it.

1:27:21 I'm sorry.

1:27:22 Bingo.

1:27:22 [laughter] Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Riven.

1:27:25 We are part of the Vox Media Podcast Network

1:27:27 and our intro outro music is by Vain Sil.

1:27:29 And go Sixers.

1:27:32 Let's go.

1:27:33 Bingo.

1:27:36 Sick.

1:27:36 All right.

1:27:36 Get on your plane, Marcus.

1:27:38 [laughter] All right.

1:27:40 [music] [music] Street just announced the album will be out before June 12th.

1:27:50 Yeah, but what about GTA 6?

1:27:52 I don't know about that.

1:27:52 Uh-huh.