The SHOCKING Truth About DMT Nobody Talks About

0:00 For anyone that hasn't experienced DM2, how would you describe the experience?

0:03 I know that's going to be hard to do because of some of my friends have done it.

0:06 And when you ask them to describe it, it seems to be quite abstract.

0:11 Yeah.

0:11 It's like if you if we had some

0:14 two-dimensional creatures that were living on this piece

0:17 of paper right here on the table and one of those creatures figured out

0:21 that he can smoke some DMT

0:24 and that somehow enabled us to peel this two-dimensional

0:27 creature to where it could see in three

0:29 dimensions and see everything in this room.

0:32 That's a DMT.

0:34 You're getting peeled out of reality into some other realm.

0:38 And the the weird thing is every scientist that I know that's studying DMT,

0:43 not one of them thinks it's a hallucination.

0:46 What do they think it is?

0:47 I think the the more someone the more familiar someone is with DMT,

0:51 the less certain they are about what the hell's going on.

0:55 But everyone everyone literally everyone who uses DMT pretty much goes

0:59 to the same exact places and they all meet the same entities,

1:03 the same seven or eight different types of entities.

1:05 And it's been the same for 4,500 years of of recorded history with DMT.

1:10 And DMT is something we make in our own body.

1:13 It's it's an indogenous chemical.

1:15 Has it changed your perception of what reality really is?

1:18 100%.

1:19 Yeah.

1:20 It's so much more real than this reality.

1:24 It's like it's it's so ineffable.

1:29 There are no words that that can describe it,

1:31 but it's a thousand maybe a million times more real than this in such a way

1:37 that just coming back to this feels like

1:41 everything is kind of claymation for a little while.

1:45 Claimation

1:44 or just fake like a cartoon uh of some kind.

1:47 It's just really low resolution and it I

1:51 I come back with no certainty about anything.

1:54 And I think everybody comes back with that lack of certainty.

1:57 You're not coming back and be like, I saw this exact thing and here's what

2:00 it means and here's how the universe is created

2:02 and and all of that, but you go up there and you come back and you're like,

2:06 something about this plane doesn't feel real anymore.

2:10 And that is a permanent shift that's hard for some people to make.

2:13 And you can't unsee that you were kind of able to poke your head out of the out

2:19 of the side door of the Truman Show

2:21 and and look out backstage for a little while.

2:25 So, has it made you believe that this isn't real?

2:28 This reality that we're living in now is not real.

2:32 We'd have to define real.

2:34 The only How would you define real?

2:39 Yeah, that's a good question.

2:40 So, that's why I paused.

2:41 You can touch it, you can measure it, you can taste it, smell it.

2:44 Would that be real?

2:45 Do you think we're living in a simulation?

2:48 that we have to define simulation because I think every

2:51 society has this hubris of the universe is whatever is cool

2:56 to us right now electricity came out the universe was energy

2:59 industrial revolution came out the whole universe was a giant machine

3:03 and right now everybody says oh that we in we

3:06 just discovered computers the universe must be a computer it's like

3:10 the the hubris of of every generation what I mean by simulation

3:14 I I think like is it rendered in some way by something.

3:19 Uh I I study this stuff all day, every day of my life.

3:25 And I think that the more we the more

3:28 discoveries we have in particle physics and quantum mechanics,

3:32 the more they're proving the hermetic principles, right?

3:35 What's that?

3:36 These are the seven ancient principles of this guy named Hermes Tismagist,

3:41 also known as Thoth, like an an Egyptian guy.

3:44 They're confused about his name, but he's like uh he wrote these like

3:50 these first two principles are the most important.

3:52 The first one is all is mind.

3:54 All is mind.

3:55 All is mind.

3:56 The all is mind.

3:57 The universe is mental.

3:59 And then the second one is as above so below.

4:02 And here's how I explained this to my son a couple days ago.

4:06 I said, "Have you ever had a dream where there's like a building in the dream?

4:10 Maybe there's a house in front of you.

4:13 And what are you looking at the house with?

4:14 And he said, "Well, my eyes." I said, "Why?

4:19 Which eyes are they?

4:20 Are they your eyes that you're seeing the house with?" And he said, "No,

4:23 cuz you're imagining your own set of eyes to see the house with in your dream.

4:27 Your eyes don't aren't there.

4:29 Your body isn't there.

4:30 So, you're imagining the whole body and the world." And I said,

4:34 "What's the distance between you and that house in your dream?" They said,

4:37 "30 feet." I said, 'What is the air made

4:40 out of between you and the house?' And he said,

4:43 'Arorair?' And I said, 'You have air in your dreams?

4:45 Is it real air?' He said, 'N no, it's just it's my brain.

4:49 I said, so is there distance between you and the house?

4:51 He said, no.

4:52 What's the house made out of?

4:54 Me.

4:54 What's the air made out of?

4:55 Me.

4:57 The entire thing is me.

4:58 The ground I'm standing on, the house, the the clouds in the sky.

5:02 So in a dream, you can verifiably prove that something is real.

5:07 You can test it, you can touch it and all

5:10 of that and the perception of it is is very much real.

5:14 So the theory now and I don't I don't have

5:17 any certainty about this but one interesting theory that I've heard

5:20 from many different neuroscientists is like if we look at as above

5:25 so below like a universe spins like a DNA double helix.

5:29 You can zoom in on a human eyeball and it looks the same as a nebula.

5:34 What if dreams are this level, level one,

5:37 and this is like level two of that where we're hallucinating distance?

5:42 We're hallucinating.

5:44 And I think whatever the case is, I have no idea.

5:48 I have no theories about it myself.

5:50 But whatever the case is,

5:51 I do think that separation is the greatest lie ever told to the entire

5:56 world of like the you are separate from that person like this.

6:00 you are separate from this and how people say I need

6:03 to go spend time in nature like you are nature like that's

6:07 that's part of who you are you're made out of that stuff

6:10 you're made out of that dirt so I think the illusion

6:14 of separation is is the one thing that I think will

6:17 help a lot of people and that's why psychedelics can really just

6:22 rewire somebody's brain so so fast it just deletes that separation

6:28 feel like I just did had some DMT P cuz you said,

6:32 you know, level one is dreams, level two is maybe this reality.

6:35 So the question in my mind was, what's level three?

6:39 Yeah.

6:39 Then that would maybe be what you see on DMT.

6:43 You said that world was more real than this one.

6:46 Oh yeah.

6:47 Exponentially, immeasurably.

6:50 Why?

6:50 How do you quantify realness?

6:52 Like what's this the measuring stick there?

6:55 It it there there are no words for it.

7:01 Has this changed your view on religion?

7:05 Yeah.

7:05 How has it changed your view?

7:06 I wasn't really a religious person.

7:08 I think it made me a much more spiritual person.

7:11 And I think before any psychedelic therapy that I went through,

7:15 I was I was performing spirituality.

7:19 So spirituality was kind of something I I did to show people.

7:22 Yeah.

7:23 Virtue.

7:23 virtue to signal virtue of

7:27 and now spirituality you kind of see it like it's not a big deal.

7:30 It doesn't you don't have to go buy linen yoga pants

7:34 and and wooden beads and bathe in essential oils to be spiritual.

7:38 Like you can just maybe have a hand up there and be less certain.

7:43 I think the certainty is the is the enemy.

7:46 Like we haven't been here very long.

7:47 We're very very newborn creatures on this planet.

7:51 Has it made you more empathetic?

7:52 Unbelievably so.

7:54 Yeah.

7:56 At the end of the day,

7:57 it everybody wants to like after your first

8:02 or second time going to psychedelic therapy, you're like, "Oh,

8:04 I need to understand the secrets of the universe now." Which you

8:08 go in there with this like very egoic uh egocentric uh desires.

8:14 And then they're like, "Okay, you want to understand the universe?

8:16 They'll show it all to you." And your brain's not capable of understanding it,

8:20 remembering it or translating it.

8:22 once you once you come back anyway.

8:25 And I think o over time you learn that the more ego I have,

8:29 it's like I'm performing and then every time I go back

8:32 in there or every time like I kind of reflect on that experience,

8:36 it helps me to unzip this my little ego costume uh a little bit more.

8:43 Did you know that you can get banned from DMT?

8:46 Really, dude?

8:47 You got to look this up.

8:49 There are thousands of people out there who were using DMT recreationally

8:54 and the beings up there basically told him you are done and you're you're banned

9:00 from from DMT and the journey stops right there in that moment and the guy

9:04 can take hit after hit after hit after hit of DMT and nothing happens.

9:10 You can be banned from that realm or whatever it is.

9:13 I think they call it hyperspace.

9:15 Now

9:16 in the culture culture surrounding DMT,

9:18 there is a widely reported anecdote

9:20 phenomenon called being locked out of hyperspace.

9:24 Many frequent users report reaching a point where the drug

9:27 simply stops working as expected regardless of the dose.

9:31 The common descriptions include the waiting room wall,

9:33 getting stuck in the initial onset phase and being unable to break through.

9:37 The gray room, seeing only flat, colorless,

9:40 or dull visuals instead of the visual vibrant geometry.

9:43 The hypers slap.

9:44 A terrifying or deeply uncomfortable experience where entities appear to tell

9:48 you that you aren't welcome or shouldn't be here anymore.

9:53 The sudden blackout,

9:55 smoking the substance and simply falling asleep or remembering nothing,

9:59 effectively being denied entry.

10:02 H I think there's there are thousands of people.

10:06 one of the um very very random but persuasive

10:10 thought experiments I sometimes um use to explain why

10:14 I've started to believe that there's probably something more

10:18 is weirdly how much I've learned about the gut microbiome.

10:22 And it sounds like a strange thing and like

10:24 not a connection one would expect to make.

10:26 But when I sat here with these experts and they're like, "Oh, by the way,

10:28 there's 38 trillion living organisms in your gut right now." I you know,

10:36 you're saying like what is below is above or whatever that phrase was.

10:39 I was like, okay, so those 38 million creatures,

10:42 I know that you could argue that maybe

10:43 they're not conscious or whatever you want to say.

10:45 Yeah.

10:45 But they have no idea.

10:48 Like if they work, they have no

10:49 idea that they're living inside another organism down.

10:52 If they could debate, they would be debating religion.

10:55 They'd be saying, "Do you think we have a creator?"

10:57 And they'd look around and they wouldn't see him.

10:59 But because they don't realize that they're inside,

11:03 I guess their god, like their creator,

11:06 the thing that's feeding them every day and keeping them alive and that kind

11:10 of, you could argue created them because

11:12 I created the environment for them to reproduce.

11:15 And when I thought about that, I thought about the oceans.

11:17 I was like, the, you know, the animals at the very bottom of the deepest

11:19 ocean have no idea that there's anything above.

11:21 They have no idea.

11:23 And then I and then you got to ask yourself,

11:24 am I like arrogant enough to believe or naive

11:26 enough to believe that like this is it?

11:29 that I am at the top of the mountain and there's nothing.

11:31 It's so egotistical to think like there isn't there could be nothing above me.

11:35 And then the other thing that's been really persuasive for me in my journey

11:38 of like spirituality or religion or whatever you want to call it is I did

11:42 a bunch of star tours and generally

11:44 getting interested in the stars and sitting there

11:46 with a a star expert and him saying to me at nighttime in Joshua Tree,

11:50 "Look over there." and he'd like get this big binocular out,

11:52 this 1 m binocular, and he say,

11:54 "What you're seeing there is," he'd say something crazy like,

11:57 "28 million light years away,

11:59 and I'm looking at a whole another galaxy, and it's just this speck,

12:02 and it's 28 million light years away." I was scratching my head going like,

12:08 "What the that is inconceivably far away,

12:11 and it's just this dot." And he goes, "Yeah, there's like trillions of those."

12:15 And I'm thinking, oh, like the gut microbiome,

12:17 there's like 38 trillion of those.

12:20 Yeah.

12:20 And they're just specks with life on them

12:23 that we understand at some granular level,

12:26 but maybe not the deepest granular level.

12:28 So maybe I'm just another gut in the bug of some toddler in some other space.

12:33 And I just don't know the answer.

12:34 What do you do with that information?

12:35 No idea.

12:37 But the new theory is that this consciousness is external to our body.

12:42 What does that mean?

12:43 like our brains act as a receiver and a filter

12:47 for consciousness and not a creator of consciousness.

12:51 So that hypothetically maybe DMT is something that just pops

12:55 that filter off and allows us to experience full consciousness.

13:01 And then if the all is mind, so if everything in my dream is made up of me

13:06 and we just copy paste that up to this level,

13:08 we're all maybe part of one mind and there aren't any people.

13:15 It's just a mind.

13:17 So like the distance between us doesn't exist.

13:19 It's just just like a dream except we're sharing a dream up here.

13:24 And that's one of the I think that's

13:26 a part of that that new consciousness theory.

13:28 I don't subscribe to any of them.

13:30 Any one of them in particular.

13:32 You haven't got to believe any of this stuff.

13:35 Um because it's hard to you're never going to know for sure.

13:40 But even hearing it makes me feel a lot more empathetic for my fellow being.

13:46 Yeah.

13:45 Cuz it makes me you.

13:47 It makes it makes your enemy you.

13:49 It makes your friend you.

13:50 Makes the person you love hate whatever.

13:52 It makes all of them you.

13:54 And none of us would.

13:55 I think I think we treat ourselves much better sometimes than we would treat

13:59 someone a thousand miles away in a different

14:01 country with a different color skin.

14:04 Yeah.

14:03 Um so that's what I love about this conversation and actually every

14:06 time I bring myself back to this point about consciousness being one,

14:09 it does make me more empathetic to things.

14:13 It does.

14:13 And it's not because you're a moral person.

14:16 Like you don't have to have morals anymore.

14:18 So if I see you as me, I'm just protecting myself.

14:23 Yeah.

14:23 Like it's just a natural in the same way I would with my children.

14:27 Yeah.

14:27 Or Yeah.

14:28 Yeah.

14:29 And I mean the the morality doesn't need to exist anymore.

14:31 It's just the right thing.

14:35 Chase, what is the most important idea we didn't talk about that we should have

14:39 talked about specifically as it relates to the most

14:42 important skills people are going to need?

14:44 whether it's body language or people skills

14:46 or sales skills in the world we're heading

14:48 towards where they're positing that robots are

14:50 going to take away lots of the manual

14:52 labor jobs and artificial intelligence is going to take away a lot of the like

14:55 cognitive work and we might be rendered left with each other in the real world.

15:03 Yeah.

15:01 Number one is making people feel heard and seen and resonating

15:10 with them when they're heard and not judging them when they're seen.

15:15 That's the number one because AI, you can mark my words,

15:19 AI will never in a million years serve as a replacement for humans

15:26 on the social level of Maslo's hierarchy

15:29 of needs where we have survival, safety, belonging.

15:32 That that third row of Maslo's pyramid cannot

15:36 be fulfilled through electronic means as of yet anyway.

15:39 And maybe the they're going to start making sex robots

15:43 and all that kind of stuff when these these things come out.

15:46 But we cannot fulfill that desire.

15:49 We cannot fulfill that need.

15:51 So what's above that?

15:54 Then we have esteem, our self-esteem and our our self-actualization.

16:00 We can never move past level three because we're getting a placebo of connection

16:05 from Twitter and Tik Tok and all these apps and uh these pseudosocial apps.

16:12 YouTube, we have these parasocial relationships on YouTube

16:15 and it's it cannot fulfill that level.

16:19 Our brains were not wired to receive digital connection.

16:24 We have our brains have not developed

16:25 one more wrinkle in the last 200,000 years.

16:29 Exactly.

16:29 the same brain.

16:32 Mhm.

16:31 So, we're not going to outscience uh the lower part of the brain.

16:35 And you can't like meditate your way out

16:38 of having good relationships and being around 3D people.

16:41 You you need it in your life.

16:43 And I genuinely think AI is never going to replace it.

16:47 I would agree.

16:48 I would agree.

16:51 I think one of the things that's been really persuasive in this regard is

16:54 I remember in psychology lessons when I was like maybe 16 years old, Mrs.

16:58 Lowi.

17:00 I've always missed Miss Lowry.

17:02 Miss Lowry, if you're listening, please get in touch.

17:03 My I shouldn't say my email.

17:05 Um, but just get in touch through Gareth.

17:08 He knows know me, but I just wanted to say

17:09 that because she she was a great teacher for me in psychology.

17:12 I really only like two lessons in school, business and psychology.

17:14 So, Mr.

17:14 Hughes and Mrs.

17:15 Lounley Lown's lessons.

17:17 The others I found a bit tricky,

17:19 but I thought those two teachers saw something in me.

17:21 Miss Lowry was talking about the recess

17:23 monkeys experiment where they got these like

17:26 recess monkeys to um either they gave them a fake mother but that had

17:32 cloth on it or they gave them a wire mother so a mother

17:36 made out of wires and they looked at their psychological outcomes over time.

17:40 I'm probably butchering this, so please community note me,

17:42 Dio team, so that the facts are on the screen.

17:45 And what they found is if you want the monkeys that grew

17:48 to be most psychologically stable and happy

17:51 and weren't psychopaths were the ones

17:53 that had a cloth mother and the the monkeys that became erratic and clearly

17:57 had deep psychological problems were the ones that just had a wire mother.

18:00 So that's always reminded me that even in a world of robots,

18:03 AI, whatever, there's still something irreplaceably

18:06 human about physical human connection and touch.

18:09 Yeah.

18:09 which I actually think is going to become is going to absolutely surge

18:12 in a world where we do have robots and intelligence and retentive algorithms.

18:15 I think there's going to be this bifocation of society

18:17 where many people flee back to the real world.

18:21 Yeah.

18:21 And the two biggest things that we have as a result of all this is

18:25 loneliness and division and the division is

18:28 manufactured and the loneliness is a byproduct.

18:32 Is there anything else you wanted to share?

18:35 Yeah, maybe some good news.

18:36 That was some shitty.

18:37 I'd be shitty to stop on that note.

18:39 Give me some good news.

18:41 I think one of the the number one thing that people need to know is

18:45 that if you wrote down the biggest insecurities

18:48 that you've ever had in your entire life,

18:50 every crazy crazy thing about how you thought it was a big deal,

18:55 you have to forget forgive yourself for that you did when you were 12.

19:00 You have to uh stop doing this.

19:02 You have to you have to stop hiding yourself from other people.

19:04 If you just wrote down every one of your insecurities

19:07 with a hundred people and then had someone type all of them out,

19:12 all hundred people, you wouldn't be able to find your own.

19:22 You you'd be very confused.

19:25 You'd think that someone just paraphrased you a hundred times

19:28 if you're digging through that hat trying to find your insecurities.

19:32 And it would shock you.

19:33 Uh, and it's one thing to hear it maybe on a podcast,

19:36 but to see it in real life.

19:38 If you see the depth of other people, we are so much the same.

19:44 And all the that we hide because we don't want anybody else to see it.

19:49 Everyone else is hiding the exact same stuff.

19:52 Everybody else is feeling the exact same way.

19:55 The number one thing that people regret on their deathbed is like,

19:58 I should have treated it more like a game.

20:00 I should have figured out what was important

20:02 in the game and done what was actually important.

20:05 Uh, and that's it.

20:09 That means a lot to you, doesn't it?

20:11 That particular point,

20:12 it's almost like you've changed since the last time we spoke in a way.

20:17 Yeah.

20:16 I think there's been a bit of an evolution.

20:20 Yeah.

20:20 And I think that level of empathy is super

20:23 important to life and it helps slow things down.

20:26 And no matter what you're going through,

20:28 put put make a poster and put this up on your wall.

20:32 It's supposed to be fun.

20:35 It's supposed to be a game.

20:38 And I think Allan Watts had a quote that said,

20:40 "Most of man's memory comes from taking very seriously what God made

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