Linux’s Biggest Win Yet - WAN Show April 24, 2026

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1:20 Uh what else we got this week?

1:21 We got to actually have so many cool topics.

1:23 Good news WAN Show.

1:24 This is going to be the best good

1:25 news WAN Show yet because everything's freaking awesome.

1:28 The EU requires phone makers to fit

1:31 readily removable batteries for from from next year.

1:35 Uh but there may be a notable exception.

1:38 Mhm.

1:38 Mhm.

1:39 Mhm.

1:39 We'll see what that is.

1:40 Also, YouTube opens up AI deepfake detection tool to all of Hollywood.

1:45 I knew Wait.

1:46 Oh, that one.

1:47 I thought you were going to pick the other one.

1:48 I thought you were going to pick the like local Gemini one.

1:51 Because that was more proof that Luke was right.

1:54 Oh, yeah.

1:56 crazy.

1:56 That one's crazy.

1:57 Okay, we're going to AI topics.

1:58 People

1:59 Yeah, we'll talk about it.

2:00 It's pretty cool though.

2:02 Yes.

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2:33 let's jump right into our headline topic, which is of course Oh man,

2:37 it wasn't even one of the ones we highlighted.

2:39 There's so many good ones.

2:40 Yeah, that's funny, isn't it?

2:42 Framework CEO and absolute bro, Nirav Patel, tweeted earlier this week that um

2:51 Oh, that topic.

2:52 Okay.

2:52 Yeah, that topic.

2:54 Tweeted earlier this week that the Framework 13 Pro launch,

2:58 investment disclosure, has been an overwhelming success.

3:04 Nice.

3:02 Batch seven, which is shipping in July, is sold out already.

3:09 Wow.

3:08 Yeah, people are really vibing with the better chassis,

3:12 the new better touchscreen display that has just Did you watch the video?

3:16 Yes, it looks great.

3:19 Phenomenal.

3:18 Phenomenal.

3:19 Like direct sunlight performance.

3:22 just walk outside and test it?

3:23 It was cool.

3:24 I've never seen anything quite I haven't seen anything quite like it.

3:27 I've seen those like retroreflective displays that are quite like it,

3:31 but I've never seen one with a backlight Right.

3:33 that's quite like that.

3:34 Very, very cool.

3:35 Better battery life, freaking Panther Lake.

3:38 This thing is resonating with people,

3:39 but that is not what I'm excited about right now.

3:42 What I'm excited about right now is the fact that Nirav posted

3:47 that over 50% of their sales of the Framework 13 Pro are report

3:58 Ubuntu

4:00 Yeah.

4:00 not Windows.

4:02 Yeah.

4:02 Now, we have talked extensively on the WAN

4:04 Show about the year of the Linux desktop.

4:08 We have even talked like like personally between you and me about

4:12 a video that I was working on called the year of Windows humiliation.

4:17 Because even if it's not the year of the Linux desktop,

4:20 I I think there's an argument to be

4:22 made that it is the year of Windows humiliation.

4:24 That video actually goes live sometime this weekend.

4:27 And I had to go do a quick voice pick up

4:30 when I saw this tweet and be like I don't know, editor.

4:33 Put this somewhere, but like [laughter] This is crazy.

4:38 However, however

4:39 just a screenshot of the tweet and you going and no no other context.

4:43 [laughter]

4:44 I wish it was now.

4:45 Sorry, I keep going.

4:45 Now, I completely wish it was.

4:46 However, there is a bit of a catch.

4:50 And Luke, do you want to be the one to give the bad news?

4:54 honestly, as as much as I would love this to be true, and you know, maybe it is.

5:00 And you know, I I'm not saying it's not true.

5:02 I do think that that many people are ordering

5:05 Ubuntu configurations for these laptops and not Windows ones.

5:10 I am not personally convinced that those people are going to keep Linux,

5:15 I'll say, not even just Ubuntu, but Linux on their laptops.

5:18 I I suspect people are doing this so that they

5:20 can not pay for Windows and then they can install Windows

5:26 and then just through the command line tell it that it

5:28 should totally just activate itself and then go on their merry way.

5:33 Um donning donning the hat.

5:35 It's possible, it's possible, you say.

5:37 think over 50% of Framework sales are people who are going to long-term Linux.

5:42 I think they should give it a shot cuz

5:46 I've been doing that and it's actually been awesome.

5:48 Okay.

5:48 Okay, hold on.

5:49 Hold on.

5:50 Think about this.

5:50 Think about this.

5:52 The last thing you just said was what?

5:55 It's been awesome.

5:56 Okay.

5:56 Okay.

5:56 Now, now, think back to the second last thing you said.

6:00 I've been doing a shot.

6:02 Yeah, okay.

6:02 Okay.

6:03 The third last thing that

6:05 No, no, we're not going to go any farther than that.

6:06 You wouldn't have a shot.

6:07 You would have no [laughter] chance.

6:08 Neither would I.

6:10 Do you think that there could be

6:12 a significant number of people who ordered this machine?

6:18 Oh.

6:18 And just get a taste, and they're just like, "Huh.

6:24 You know what?

6:25 Water's warm.

6:28 Where are all those penguins in it?

6:31 [laughter] You know what I'm saying?

6:31 Aren't they usually in cold water?

6:33 Yeah.

6:33 Wait, not always, it turns out.

6:34 No, yeah, I know, I know.

6:35 I'm Which which is great to which is great to know.

6:38 Because then if you don't like the cold water,

6:39 that doesn't mean you can't join them.

6:41 Yeah.

6:42 Yeah.

6:42 Just join the penguins.

6:44 So, I I mean, I look, I'm obviously, like,

6:47 literally have a vested interest in in Framework's success.

6:52 What I do not have a vested interest in is Yes, thank you for that, Luke.

6:56 Uh what I do not have a vested interest in is, like, Linux's success.

6:59 I got no I got no dog in that fight.

7:02 benefit us.

7:03 No, but what it does do is it's it's it's freaking exciting.

7:07 It's freaking exciting, and that benefits me.

7:09 Cuz the more people that use Linux, ideally, the better it'll get.

7:13 And then that benefits me.

7:14 Okay, yes, but not in like a

7:17 Yeah.

7:17 Not in a monetary way, which sort [laughter] of which sort of my point.

7:20 No, I know, I know.

7:20 That's why I said it didn't.

7:23 Yeah, I honestly I I do suspect some people might try it and like it.

7:26 I haven't used Ubuntu in uh I don't know,

7:31 genuinely, like, 15, 20 years, so I have no idea,

7:33 but um I I I do suspect some people might actually Yeah,

7:38 let me let me poke around with this thing.

7:39 I've heard some people talking about it,

7:41 and then might you actually stick with it, which would be really cool.

7:45 Um I also would say that I think a dramatically

7:51 higher percentage of these are real or at least

7:56 people who are going to install a different distro

7:58 but not Windows compared to even this time last year.

8:02 I just thought of something else.

8:03 it's been a massive jump.

8:04 I just thought of something else.

8:06 Okay, hear me out.

8:08 If you're techie enough to install your own operating system,

8:13 what are the odds that you're also techie enough to BYO

8:16 storage drive and probably save a buck on the thing?

8:23 You hear You see where I'm going with this, right?

8:25 Cuz this is people who selected a storage drive.

8:28 is the Right, it would have to be because it comes with an operating system.

8:30 And selected a pre-installed operating system.

8:32 But if you're the kind of person that really

8:34 was just going to rip Ubuntu off of it,

8:36 put Windows on, pirate Windows,

8:39 like you you you have the know-how Don't tell me you don't know how to open up,

8:43 of all things, a Framework laptop.

8:46 And put an SSD in it.

8:48 It's sort of the point.

8:48 Don't even tell me that.

8:50 I still don't fully believe the numbers.

8:55 But that does I think up the percentage that it could be.

8:58 We'll see.

8:59 I think we're going to get less than

9:00 100% of those Ubuntu people moving over to Windows.

9:04 And it's just it's an exciting time

9:07 to be interested in open source software right now.

9:11 It's an exciting time to be interested

9:14 in alternatives to the the tech giants who Dude,

9:19 did I tell talk to you already about

9:20 the first time I fired my Windows laptop back up?

9:24 And it was like it it was like it didn't want me.

9:26 It was like it didn't want me to come back.

9:29 No.

9:29 Did I have a Did I not talk about this on WAN Show?

9:31 I don't think so.

9:33 my Windows drive back in my PX13 that I've been using lately

9:38 in my my strict Halo machine and immediately it did it did the[ __] thing.

9:45 Immediately it did the thing.

9:48 It asked me a hey, it's been a while.

9:51 Do you want Edge?

9:53 Do you like One Drive?

9:56 Have you ever thought about Xbox?

10:02 I off like I I I almost I was so the only reason

10:08 It pushes you away.

10:08 Like it's literally repulsive.

10:11 The only reason that I didn't swap the drives again are because

10:15 this thing has like chassis intrusion detection that I can't figure out

10:19 which one which screw is like the one that I have to tighten

10:22 all the way to get it to even like turn back on.

10:25 Like one of the screws like grounds the thing or something.

10:28 So I had already buttoned it completely back up and the the main

10:32 reason that I had switched back over to Windows was

10:34 because I wanted to try that Logitech Superlight mouse that I've

10:36 been like supposed to try out for us to do the video.

10:40 on Linux?

10:40 Uh well, the Logitech software I wanted to have

10:43 the full suite of Logitech software if I'm evaluating a product.

10:46 is a like third-party stand-in Logitech software thing.

10:49 But yeah, no, that makes sense.

10:50 As a reviewer should have the whole thing.

10:52 Yeah, I should be I should be using it as the manufacturer intends.

10:55 that makes sense.

10:56 But if it wasn't for those two things, I Scout's honor,

11:03 I would have put the other drive back in.

11:05 I just it it was so offense it was offensive.

11:10 It was [snorts] like disrespectful.

11:13 This is This is why

11:14 I am using my computer right now.

11:17 And and

11:19 Move.

11:19 I think the biggest thing for me is I feel

11:21 like I've replaced the time that I spent on Windows

11:25 being annoyed about that kind of stuff learning more about

11:28 my computer and doing cool things with my operating system,

11:31 which is what I'd rather do anyways.

11:33 I've had fun using an operating system

11:37 for the first time since probably Windows 9.

11:43 Okay, yeah.

11:44 Okay, Windows 9 was pretty cool.

11:45 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

11:46 And that's we're not memeing.

11:47 We know there's no Windows 9.

11:48 There was like a modded Windows 8.1 that had like the cruft stripped

11:53 out of it and was like like super responsive that was nicknamed Windows 9.

11:58 Yeah.

11:59 And it's you know, it's not all perfect,

12:00 but one thing that's been really awesome is every

12:04 time I've ran into a problem it is solvable.

12:09 Every time.

12:09 And it for me has never been a major issue.

12:14 Like I replaced a drive and cuz my both

12:18 my hard drives just worst timing in the freaking world.

12:23 Both my hard drives I could hear Worst timing so far.

12:27 something.

12:27 Yeah.

12:28 [laughter]

12:29 I could hear that something was kind of off.

12:30 They were like making more noise than normal.

12:33 So I did a smart check and they both came up

12:35 with like a pretty significant amount of bad sectors and I was like,

12:38 well, I tried to think back to like, how old are these drives?

12:42 I thought they were mine.

12:44 When I finally pulled one out to actually replace it,

12:46 I saw an inventory sticker on it.

12:48 And when I saw the inventory sticker, I was like,

12:49 oh yeah, these are from uh GeoDude V1.

12:56 Okay, so these are old.

12:57 was the GeoDude and then there was

12:58 GeoDude revision and then there was Bulbasaur.

13:01 I might have personally put that inventory sticker on is what you're saying.

13:04 Maybe.

13:05 Yeah, okay.

13:05 Like these are old drives.

13:07 So I was like, okay,

13:08 and I I looked up like the upload date for GeoDude V1 and I was like,

13:11 okay, it might be about time.

13:14 So it's it's fine that they that they died.

13:16 It's not a huge deal, but like it sucks because of the pricing.

13:22 But yeah, I'm replacing those drives and when I when I I it,

13:26 my my computer didn't want to boot.

13:28 It booted into emergency mode.

13:30 And I was like, okay, I know the series of events that just happened.

13:33 I could reverse this, but instead I'm going to pull

13:35 my laptop out and just look up like what could this mean?

13:39 And I there was a very simple explanation of what to do.

13:42 It did require a little bit of command line stuff, but I'm running CentOS.

13:45 I expected this, that's fine.

13:47 I'm looking into okay, what caused this?

13:50 And it's just certain drives can be set up in a way where

13:54 you say CentOS?

13:55 Why did I say CentOS?

13:57 Casio OS.

13:59 Cool.

13:59 Yeah, no, definitely not.

14:01 about like a like an old home lab machine?

14:05 That's really weird.

14:06 Anyways, Um yeah, I was just like, oh okay,

14:10 I have to go into Fstab and just add no

14:12 fail to the drive and then it just booted perfectly.

14:15 I was like, oh that's kind of neat.

14:16 Now I like and then I sat there looking up like what are all

14:19 the different flags for drives and then I'm just like learning stuff as I go on.

14:23 Um It's cool.

14:25 Coming back to the topic we're supposed to be discussing,

14:27 um our discussion question for the framework announcements this week cuz they

14:32 also had their OcuLink connection for the back of the Framework 16.

14:36 Yeah, yeah.

14:37 Uh they also had their new keyboard,

14:38 which is a pretty exciting alternative to the K400.

14:42 Um but our question is forget all the stuff that they just announced just now.

14:47 If they were to make a net new product, what would you want them to make?

14:53 Nirav already talked about the potential.

14:55 He talked about how they've looked at.

14:57 He didn't commit anything, but he talked about how they've looked at printers.

15:01 The printer one I see as a little less necessary.

15:04 Brother does exist.

15:06 They tend to be kind of bros overall for the most part.

15:08 are kind of fine.

15:09 There's they seem kind of fine and it doesn't look like there's a lot of as far

15:13 as I can tell like margin in the printer

15:16 business unless you're willing to fleece people on the ink.

15:20 Yeah.

15:20 So you know sure there's things they could do that could help

15:22 the world in regards to like those massive office printer things,

15:26 but like I think focusing on consumer would be a good idea.

15:30 TVs is one that's

15:31 TVs would be sick.

15:31 really interesting to me.

15:33 Especially if they're doing their own panels.

15:34 Uh well, okay.

15:36 I don't think they would do their own panel for a TV.

15:39 I don't mean I more mean that they might have the expertise

15:42 to like know things about TVs and make a good TV.

15:45 When they did their own panel for the laptop,

15:47 I doubt it was as much that they built the internal expertise and more that they

15:52 they were able to afford to get the glass

15:55 cut in the shape they wanted pretty much.

15:57 Yeah.

15:58 But even that is a is a is a big it's a monetary investment.

16:01 I doubt it it was as much of a technical investment.

16:03 Rest assured said monitor first.

16:05 I actually don't agree.

16:06 Oh, strong disagree.

16:07 Monitors Monitors So, the reason Oh, okay, I should explain why.

16:12 Monitor space is pretty good.

16:13 Mon Yeah, monitors they don't have the same incrapification problem that TVs

16:20 They're not forcing ads down your throat.

16:22 with Brad who's the uh the ShortCircuit channel manager now and um he

16:27 was saying that they they did a video on the LG G something.

16:31 I think it was the G5 a little while ago.

16:33 And like the first time setup process for it was like painful.

16:40 Like all the agreements that you're signing and like you finally

16:45 get to the home screen and it's just freaking it's wall-to-wall.

16:49 It's just covered in ads.

16:52 Yeah.

16:51 If someone were to tell you, "Okay, here's the Framework TV.

16:56 It's the same TV because at the end of the day,

16:59 it's not like they're going to go and reinvent better quantum dots.

17:03 You know, they're they're they're not going

17:05 to they're not going to suddenly have

17:06 the R&D muscle of someone like a like a Sony or a TCL or a Samsung.

17:11 It's not It's not It's not happening.

17:12 That's not what we're talking about here.

17:14 It's going to cost more.

17:15 It'll cost more.

17:17 But if it just got the[ __] out of your way, I'd pay I'd pay for it.

17:21 and looks like solid.

17:23 Like if it was a B+ in terms of the image quality and just when you turned it

17:27 on, it did not take screenshots of the content

17:30 you're watching and send it back to some server somewhere,

17:33 it just opened up to whatever source input you sent to it and just worked.

17:38 I think that had that would have an incredible value to people.

17:41 I think it would

17:43 I think we're reaching the breaking point.

17:46 I I think you know how variety of things.

17:49 I've talked a lot about how people seem to have

17:52 just kind of given up on on like the whole privacy

17:55 ad invasiveness thing and how I think just the the horse

17:58 has has bolted from the from the barn at this point.

18:02 Maybe I'm getting hope again.

18:05 Oh yeah, me too.

18:06 Because I'm starting to see people mad again.

18:10 I think it's because the alternatives are becoming a lot more viable.

18:14 You think so?

18:15 I think so, personally.

18:17 I think self-hosting certain apps is

18:19 like dramatically better than it's ever been.

18:25 Mhm.

18:24 Um I think I think having your own NAS

18:27 for your family is as expensive as hardware is right now.

18:31 trendy, dude.

18:33 It's It's getting

18:34 a geeky way.

18:35 It's getting trendy, but it's also getting trendy because it's pretty good.

18:39 Oh yeah.

18:39 And like it's there is still upkeep time and you still have to do things for it.

18:44 Um but I think the upkeep and the things

18:47 that you have to do are kind of fun now.

18:50 __] makes a really good point.

18:51 People never gave up,

18:53 they just never cared enough because convenience always wins.

18:56 But that's the thing,

18:57 is the the encrapification is crossing that threshold where it's not convenient.

19:06 is less convenient than running Mint on my laptop.

19:10 Windows gets in my way more, slows me down,

19:12 and stops me from doing my job more than Mint does.

19:15 So, like at this point in time, the convenient option is to run Linux.

19:20 And that's not even a Linux nerd.

19:23 I have never once opened the command line.

19:25 I don't know why I looked down here.

19:27 Uh my lap my laptop's not with me right now, but

19:29 I'm sorry to hear that.

19:31 [laughter] Uh I have never once opened the command line on Mint on my laptop.

19:36 I've never done anything fancy.

19:37 All the software I've ever installed is just from the package manager,

19:40 which is effectively an app store on your phone.

19:42 Like I I've done nothing special with that laptop, and it is perfect.

19:49 Like it's This is not a This is not a weird or special thing,

19:53 and I'm just genuinely more productive on it

19:56 because it doesn't pester me about stuff.

19:57 All right.

19:58 Let's pick another category.

20:02 Sure.

20:01 What would Dan?

20:06 What would you want to see them jump into?

20:10 Sorry, you're doing shipstorm right now.

20:11 What are you talking about?

20:12 Oh, yeah.

20:13 I'm sorry, Dan.

20:14 Thank you.

20:16 [laughter] Thank you for your service.

20:16 Bye, Dan.

20:17 I have no idea what's going on.

20:19 Cool, good chat.

20:21 [laughter] Luke, then.

20:24 Uh I'll I'll settle for talking to Luke.

20:26 Good plan.

20:31 [laughter] What a What an appropriate response.

20:33 Uh

20:34 I already think I have one in mind for me, but do you want me to go first then?

20:37 Or do you want to go first just in case it's, you know,

20:39 the best one and you uh think of it before I do.

20:42 No, I I before you ever mentioned I mean,

20:45 I'm certain you already had the thought,

20:46 but before you ever mentioned it really, the TV thing, I had already thought TV.

20:50 TV has been very frustrating for me for a long time.

20:53 Well, you've had to shop for one, unfortunately.

20:56 RIP Luke's TV a couple times recently.

20:58 Yeah.

20:59 And but even like someone will ask me for a recommendation,

21:01 I'm just like, "Ugh." Like I don't feel good about any of the recommendations.

21:06 Samsung has these really great-looking, you know, QD-OLEDs.

21:09 Um Too bad Tizen OS.

21:14 Yep.

21:13 LG has some pretty good-looking WOLEDs.

21:16 Too bad webOS has taken a sharp right turn into crapsville.

21:21 Yeah.

21:21 So, just none of it feels good.

21:23 So, definitely TVs.

21:24 Outside of that, I might need some thinking.

21:28 All right.

21:28 I'm going to I'm going to go with mine.

21:29 I'm going to see if this kind of like I'm

21:31 I'm going to see if this kind of vibes with people,

21:33 but I would actually love to see Framework get into SBCs.

21:39 Like, single-board computers.

21:43 It's a It's a space where the the cost has crept up on people

21:50 in a way that was never really the like the idea, you know?

21:54 Like, the the kind of the the Raspberry Pi contract the original sales pitch.

21:59 The original sales pitch was these things are hyper affordable.

22:03 They're bare-bones.

22:05 Um and they've just kind of um they've just kind of gotten bloated

22:10 both in terms of the the feature set and in terms of price.

22:13 And there are still like very basic ones,

22:16 but it has felt like for some time

22:18 that the availability of the ones that are like,

22:21 you know, supposed to be affordable has been not great.

22:25 And some of the alternatives are not necessarily getting the TLC

22:29 in terms of of of compatibility that the the name brand,

22:34 you know, Raspberry Pis have.

22:36 I would be I'd be very interested in something like a a Framework Pi.

22:40 If they were able to work with their manufacturing partners that they

22:43 obviously have for things like the um like the the laptop, right?

22:48 They obviously can can make a circuit board, right?

22:52 Uh I'd be I'd be interested to see if they could

22:54 if they could make if they could somehow bring their like upgradeable,

22:59 repairable ethos to single-board computers.

23:02 And I don't know maybe maybe it's not

23:04 realistic and maybe it'd be a stupid business

23:06 for them to go into because who wants

23:08 an ASP of like $15 or 20 bucks or whatever.

23:12 But it's somewhere that I I feel like

23:14 potentially they could make they could make a difference.

23:18 Speaking of stupid business for them to go into.

23:22 Yeah.

23:22 With the EU's thing which I don't think we've talked about it

23:25 yet but it's one of the topics in this show I believe.

23:27 Sometimes the WAN shows really blur into each other for me but is phones.

23:33 The EU's pushing replaceable battery phones.

23:37 Mhm.

23:37 Now could be the time.

23:39 Framework has said publicly that they'll never do it.

23:43 That's probably wise.

23:44 And Fairphone already exists.

23:49 Yeah.

23:47 And I think you know for me for Framework to have a reason to come

23:53 in and like compete with Fairphone take

23:57 that tiny tiny market share of people who care

24:00 more about like the sustainability and and repairability

24:04 aspect than they do about like you know

24:07 a phone being a more cohesive high performance

24:10 product and then cut that down the middle.

24:13 It would it feels like it would be a disservice to both of them

24:16 to to to wedge themselves in there unless

24:18 they were really bringing up like a powerful value

24:22 at this point people aren't just buying I

24:24 I know this isn't what you were saying.

24:26 I'm not saying oh so you hate hot dogs.

24:28 I'm just talking.

24:30 But I I think at this point people are just

24:32 buying some people are just buying Frameworks cuz they're cool.

24:36 Oh dude Frameworks are trendy.

24:37 Yeah.

24:38 They're like just kind of sweet.

24:39 Seeing how excited people are to I have no investment in Framework.

24:42 cheer for this company has been very cool.

24:44 And you know what speaking of speaking of cool

24:47 how much better is Nerrel on camera than you?

24:49 He's a lot he's a lot better.

24:52 [laughter] I was I was I was watching that video I was like this is a proof that

24:54 It was a very noticeable.

24:57 [laughter] I saw a couple comments about it, too.

24:59 He's like he used to be just awkward and now he's like kind of cool awkward,

25:03 like trendy awkward.

25:04 I'm I'm sure it helps doing our videos, but I suspect in general he's just been

25:07 doing a lot more of those types of videos.

25:09 he's Well, he has to talk to people.

25:10 He's a CEO.

25:11 He has to motivate.

25:11 He has to like give speeches and stuff, I assume, right?

25:14 Yeah.

25:14 So, you just you get you get practiced at public speaking.

25:17 You don't really have a choice.

25:18 But, uh yeah, no, I thought uh I thought he did a great job in the video.

25:23 Yeah.

25:22 Why don't we do a great job of finding another awesome topic to talk about?

25:26 There's so much this week.

25:30 Yeah.

25:30 Um this that was not shouted out.

25:32 Maybe we should get through the ones we mentioned at the beginning.

25:35 Um Actually, psych.

25:37 I'm going to pull an audible and do the topic line I said that I should have

25:41 brought up at the beginning or that he expected

25:44 I was going to bring up at the beginning.

25:45 let's do it.

25:46 Gemini has escaped from the cloud.

25:48 Cirrascale, I've never heard this verbally said,

25:50 so I'm going to call it Cirrascale.

25:52 Cirrascale cloud services announced an an expanded partnership with Google Cloud

25:57 on Wednesday that will allow them to offer the full Google

26:00 Gemini model to be used completely offline on air-gapped unfortunately Google

26:08 certified hardware appliances built by Dell and featuring eight Nvidia GPUs.

26:14 So, this isn't Can we get a Can we get a Luke[ __] called it.

26:21 Can I Can I get one of those, Dan?

26:22 Can I Can I get one of those?

26:23 This is probably Yeah, don't worry about it.

26:25 This is probably the most like direct version of what

26:28 I was talking about that has been announced so far.

26:32 Yeah.

26:31 Cuz this is like an appliance that you buy that runs

26:35 the the premium cloud-only version of a model and locally for big businesses.

26:41 This is that like, "Oh, hey,

26:42 there's going to be mainframes again" type conversation

26:45 that I had in the in the past.

26:47 I don't remember exactly how I worded it, but something like that.

26:50 This will back to the notes.

26:52 This will allow sectors with serious privacy concerns,

26:55 healthcare, government, defense, finance, etc.

26:59 etc.

26:59 etc.

27:00 Uh, to avoid risking exposure of sensitive data on third-party infrastructure.

27:04 All the customer's data, inputs, outputs, etc.

27:07 It's it's secure because of this.

27:09 Uh, updating your local Gemini will will require a priv- uh, sorry,

27:13 a temporary private connection to Google servers or physically shipping

27:17 your appliance to Google and being sent the new version.

27:20 That's So, this is for This is for big boys.

27:25 Yeah.

27:25 But, while this isn't, you know, quite the way that I think, you know,

27:28 Luke would want to do it if he was rolling his own infra, Yeah, not at all.

27:32 what it is is a clear acknowledgement that the cloud it didn't fail,

27:38 but it wasn't the perfect solution for everyone that it was hailed as.

27:45 Well, and like whether or not you believe the stuff

27:47 with Mythos and whatnot going on right now, um,

27:51 I think honestly the various wars more than anything else have

27:56 been showing us that just a lot of software is just pretty

28:00 vulnerable the stuff if people are willing to spend the time

28:04 and often the money to work hard enough to poke at it.

28:08 And the more connected it is, the more places there are

28:12 Yeah.

28:12 to poke at it.

28:13 Yeah.

28:13 So, if it can just be not connected, then there you go.

28:16 Um, yeah, Google IP is protected by confidential computing sort of that is.

28:23 And Scale CEO Dave Dridgers explained

28:26 that the Gemini model resides entirely in volatile memory.

28:30 As soon as the power is off, the model is gone.

28:34 If the system detects any form of tampering,

28:36 it shuts itself down to wipe the model.

28:40 That's In a weird way, that's kind of cool.

28:44 Yeah.

28:43 That sucks for me.

28:46 [laughter]

28:46 It's like Dr.

28:46 Doofenshmirtz made it.

28:47 It just it has to have a self-destruct button.

28:49 No matter no matter how superfluous it is.

28:51 That's that's wild.

28:52 I I don't mean cool in like a like that's great like cool technology.

28:56 Yeah, exactly.

28:58 You got to you got to respect it.

29:01 Yeah.

29:01 Um I I guess you know with the description

29:03 of the types of places that might get one

29:05 of these and assuming the cost considering it features

29:08 eight Nvidia GPUs and all this other kind of stuff.

29:11 You you got some backup power options, I think.

29:14 I think it's not a huge problem.

29:16 Um JB leaves a note, "It's not clear from the article,

29:19 but I'm assuming model in this case

29:21 might be talking specifically about model weights.

29:24 Otherwise, Google physically shipping you a new

29:26 version doesn't make any sense." Yeah,

29:30 I mean it literally did say or I was kind of wondering what that too,

29:34 but it did say earlier like you would literally ship the unit back, didn't it?

29:38 You could.

29:38 You could ship it back to get updates.

29:40 You could ship the whole unit back.

29:42 That's crazy.

29:43 Which so like They might be serious about that.

29:47 I'm not sure.

29:49 But yeah, wild.

29:50 Kind of cool.

29:51 I I I understand that like you can if you pay out the freaking nose,

29:56 you can get a lot better like performing models online right now.

30:02 But self-hosting models is really cool.

30:04 There's some really crazy stuff.

30:06 There's a There's a Mac OS specific thing.

30:08 This isn't in the notes, so I I'm not going to have details on it,

30:11 but there's a Mac OS specific model of some kind whatever.

30:16 I don't know.

30:17 I don't remember the name of it, but it like basically lives on your cursor.

30:21 Your like mouse cursor.

30:24 So as you're going around and doing things,

30:26 it'll have like the context of what you're looking at and it

30:29 runs locally and it can try to help you with things.

30:31 And somebody was talking about how they were learning how

30:33 to use DaVinci Resolve and as they were kind of poking around,

30:36 it would just like I haven't used it

30:39 and I don't have notes on this, so whatever.

30:41 I saw that via XDA.

30:42 Yeah, maybe I can find it.

30:44 XDA cursor

30:46 Cursor peep.

30:47 Cursor peep.

30:48 what it's called?

30:48 I don't know.

30:48 That's what Hamnetic said.

30:50 I haven't heard of this, so I'm

30:53 It sounds a little creepy.

30:55 Not going to lie, but it runs locally.

30:57 Theoretically it runs locally.

30:59 A cursor peep is not a No, so that's not the name of it.

31:02 Man, I can't remember the name of it.

31:06 Yeah, anyways, it sounded kind of neat.

31:08 There's There's a And I'm And I'm fairly certain it it runs locally.

31:14 This.

31:17 Yeah.

31:17 My Google Fu is still strong.

31:18 It's a relatively small model.

31:21 And it's running locally.

31:23 But it's helpful.

31:25 Theoretically.

31:25 I haven't I haven't used it.

31:26 This is the vibe I got from looking through the article.

31:28 Very cool.

31:29 But there's there's like there's cool stuff you can do with with local hosting.

31:33 And honestly, for a lot of the use cases people have,

31:36 you don't need the massive super powerful models.

31:39 You can just run locally and it can still be helpful.

31:44 Try it out.

31:45 In other sort of AI adjacent news, I don't know if this counts as good news,

31:52 except that it means that I was right, which I never mind.

31:56 It's good for you.

31:57 Elon Musk confirmed on Tesla's Q1 2026 earnings call what he

32:02 had hedged about on a previous earning call in January 2025.

32:07 He has confirmed now that every Tesla sold between 2019 and 2023

32:12 that had their hardware 3 hardware cannot

32:15 achieve unsupervised full self-driving and never will.

32:20 This time there was no hedging.

32:21 This is a quote, Hardware 3 simply does not have the capability.

32:26 This is not a quote.

32:27 Owners would need both a new computer and new

32:31 cameras if they were to upgrade to hardware 4.

32:34 As recently, this is interesting, as recently as October 2025,

32:38 Tesla's own CFO was still telling investors,

32:41 "We have not completely given up on hardware 3." I'm

32:46 going to go off notes for a little bit here.

32:49 Um

32:57 [laughter] That was off notes.

32:59 We just need to make sure Do you remember me telling you Nobody typed that.

33:03 remember me telling you a year ago that I got

33:05 in that argument with that guy at at someone's birthday party?

33:09 Where I was like, "Yeah, hey,

33:10 I know you're like a finance bro or whatever

33:13 and you're like really good at being a finance bro,

33:15 but don't you think at some point the liability of selling millions

33:20 of cars based on that they have a feature that they like completely[

33:23 __] don't have and will never ever have is going to be

33:27 a problem that might affect the like finance bro care about sphere of finance?

33:34 Uh I realize that everything I'm saying is very, very complicated,

33:38 but like this computer no do-y thing you say do-y maybe bad time-y.

33:47 Um

33:49 What are they going to do about it?

33:50 Do they say?

33:51 They haven't.

33:52 Um we can Hold on, let me get back to the notes for a second here.

33:54 The core problem is memory bandwidth.

33:56 Hardware 3 has 1/8 of what Hardware 4 offers,

33:59 uh which Musk says makes it physically impossible

34:01 to run the AI models needed for true autonomy.

34:04 Many of these owners paid up to $15,000 for full self-driving

34:08 based on the promise that it was just a software update away.

34:11 Uh multiple class action lawsuits have already been filed.

34:15 Now, I want to make something clear.

34:18 I obviously seem a little, let's call it, validated right now.

34:23 That's not because I'm rooting against autonomous vehicles.

34:28 It's not because I'm even rooting against Tesla.

34:31 It's because I like seeing liars get

34:34 their comeuppance and he was obviously lying.

34:39 Hardware 3, I remember talking about this way back then.

34:43 Hardware 3, even if it was years and years ahead of its competition,

34:49 was a small chip compared to what other leaders in the space

34:52 were building like Nvidia at the time and they were like not close.

34:57 It just obviously was not powerful enough.

35:02 Obviously and there's no way that Tesla hasn't known this for years.

35:08 Because if it was good enough to do full self-driving,

35:11 do you really think that they would go to all the work to make a new chip?

35:17 Why?

35:17 That's not how the automotive industry works.

35:20 When they have something that performs the function they want it to perform,

35:24 they keep making the same one because that's way cheaper.

35:27 Or they do what like a console manufacturer might

35:30 do where mid-life they will move it to a new

35:33 process node in order to take advantage of better

35:35 power efficiency uh and better um better uh thermal management.

35:42 They don't just build something that has

35:44 eight times the memory bandwidth for fun.

35:50 [laughter]

35:52 Um Musk says that Tesla will offer

35:55 discounted trade-ins towards Hardware 4 cars or direct

35:59 retrofits but admits the volume is so

36:01 massive that service centers can't handle it.

36:04 His solution is building microfactories in major

36:07 cities to run the upgrades like production lines.

36:10 Though no timeline, no cost, and no concrete details were given.

36:15 Uh there's a Linus note on this one.

36:17 This is actually the second time he's admitted that Hardware

36:20 3 is not going to be able to do it.

36:21 The last time was a tweet though.

36:23 Uh this time was in an earnings call where,

36:25 you know, maybe it matters but probably doesn't.

36:28 It's It's been very remarkable for me to watch how many times obvious lies

36:36 have been told in context where like

36:38 legally you're not allowed to lie like that.

36:42 Um and this company just has not been called on it.

36:46 And I just I find the whole thing very very baffling.

36:50 I often get asked, you know, why do you hate Elon?

36:52 I don't hate Elon.

36:55 But I don't respect people who don't respect me enough

36:59 to look me in the eye and tell me the truth.

37:01 If you can look me in the eye and lie

37:03 to me over and over and over and over again, why should I respect you in return?

37:10 You're just a liar.

37:12 And to me it's it's one of the worst things you can be,

37:15 to have no integrity and to just to just brazenly lie.

37:20 I don't respect it.

37:27 Do you think there's any room for him having hope that they

37:32 could make it somehow wildly more efficient and adapt it or something?

37:37 So, here's my thing.

37:38 Because why would he's going to have to announce it eventually?

37:40 Why would he wait?

37:41 He's either in doing it now instead of a few years ago?

37:45 Um the benefit of doing it now is

37:46 they've kind of pivoted to new shiny with Optimus.

37:50 and stuff?

37:53 Um Like it's it's about it's about managing the mood

37:57 as much as it is about even more than it is about,

38:00 you know, financial results or actual product development or anything like that.

38:03 It's It's about It's about keeping people chill with the vibe.

38:09 Um so this is this is right in the lead-up to the SpaceX IPO,

38:12 which is going to have him in the news for for positive reasons again.

38:16 So a quiet Yeah, that's not going to work,

38:18 but like we've got all these ideas for a plan.

38:21 By the way, by the way, SpaceX, SpaceX, SpaceX.

38:23 Um it's it's just it's part of the grift, right?

38:26 It's part of the it's part of the game to to just kind of keep things going.

38:31 And, you know, as for do I think that there's

38:34 a world where he really believed that it was one quarter away?

38:38 Well, I would it would have to be one of two things.

38:41 Either he's a liar or he's stupid.

38:46 And I don't know.

38:47 I'll let him pick which one he wants to be because there's no way that someone

38:52 with all the experience running tech companies

38:55 that he has would have any way of thinking,

38:58 possibly, like when it's so obvious to a, you know, pathetic YouTuber like me.

39:03 There's no way that he didn't have people internally telling him, "Hey,

39:08 this isn't going to happen." Um so, he's either a liar or he's an idiot.

39:12 And so, I don't know.

39:14 You guys can pick which one it is, but those are the only two options.

39:17 If he actually believed that it was coming next quarter, then he's a fool.

39:22 And if he didn't believe it, then he's clearly a liar.

39:25 So, those are those are our only two choices here.

39:30 David needs to speak to me.

39:31 Okay.

39:32 Uh Luke, do you want to Do you want to pick a topic?

39:35 probably something I can grab.

39:36 David apologizes in advance.

39:38 He doesn't mean it.

39:41 [laughter]

39:44 Uh what should we talk about?

39:47 Uh I'm going to steal this topic.

39:49 Uh Xbox drops Game Pass prices as Call

39:52 of Duty officially exits services day-one launch uh slate strategy.

39:58 Now, this is a thing where it doesn't mean that was really fast.

40:03 Um it does Are you back good?

40:06 You're back for good?

40:08 Yes.

40:09 Okay, got it.

40:10 I didn't even have time to finish crunching that chip.

40:13 Yeah.

40:13 Outside of the microphone range.

40:14 Um no, I I actually have a quick update for you guys.

40:18 David needed to cut down the length of the Ship Storm

40:22 call out in our upcoming video that he was working on.

40:26 So, in order to make up for it, it's going to be a shorter one.

40:29 I need you guys to buy more stuff from Ship Storm on Wan Show.

40:33 Dan can handle it.

40:35 Okay, carry on.

40:36 Uh [snorts] so, we were talking about how Xbox uh drops its

40:39 price as Call of Duty is exiting the day one launch strategy thing.

40:43 So, Xbox has officially dropped the price of Game

40:45 Pass Ultimate from $30 to $23 a month.

40:48 That's actually huge.

40:50 What the heck?

40:51 Yeah, that's enormous.

40:52 immediately with PC Game Pass also falling from $16.50 to $14.

40:58 Uh but, there's a big catch.

40:59 New Call of Duty titles will no longer be uh launched day one on the service.

41:04 Uh instead, they'll show up about a year later.

41:08 That's kind of a yikes.

41:10 During the following holiday season.

41:11 With the COD release schedule, that basically means it's not on there.

41:16 You can play the single player, I guess.

41:18 can play like you can play COD with your friends,

41:20 or you can play like poor poor people COD and be ostracized.

41:24 Like, when you think about the social pressure

41:27 of having like the one that everyone's playing,

41:29 that's basically that's basically the divide that they're creating here.

41:33 That's a really interesting line cuz like is it So,

41:37 they're saying $7 less per user

41:42 per month.

41:43 it if people are still going to buy full fat COD outside of that?

41:46 Yeah, this this gives us insight that we would not have any other way of getting

41:53 interesting.

41:55 much of the like the cost of Game Pass is just Call of Duty?

42:01 Is that wild or what?

42:03 Well, at least what they think it is, yeah.

42:05 at least what they're projecting.

42:06 It's not like they haven't had a Call of Duty launch on Game Pass, so it's Yeah.

42:09 It's You got some pretty good information.

42:10 it's based on something.

42:13 Mhm.

42:13 That's [laughter] That's pretty crazy.

42:15 I I know uh the new Microsoft gaming CEO Xbox CEO uh person said like,

42:22 "Oh, Game Pass is too expensive." But I don't think this is just altruistic.

42:26 I think it's going to be a business move.

42:28 Yeah, she she's actually been seemingly doing some pretty based stuff so far.

42:33 she's at least saying that she's making so far.

42:36 Yeah.

42:35 I know I was I was pretty tentative on her because she came from AI background.

42:41 Yeah.

42:40 Um but yeah, the statements I've seen so far are good.

42:43 The like we are Xbox, we should drop the whole Microsoft gaming thing was dope.

42:47 Did you see the new Xbox logo?

42:50 No.

42:51 Dude, it's badass.

42:54 Yo!

42:54 So the It's back.

42:55 Yeah, the like this thing is gone.

42:58 Good.

42:58 And this is back.

43:00 That's so good.

43:01 That's sick.

43:02 So I don't know good moves and and maybe one singular

43:06 thing out of Microsoft lately will be good.

43:10 [laughter]

43:10 I'm I'm willing to be I'm willing to be open-minded on that, you know?

43:14 Uh but yeah, I mean game Game Pass price drop is is sweet.

43:18 Um the the new logo looks fantastic.

43:21 The whole idea of really centralizing around

43:22 Xbox instead of Microsoft gaming is is great.

43:25 She made a statement.

43:26 She made a statement about like, you know,

43:29 games being human crafted, which I thought was pretty pretty chill.

43:34 Sweet.

43:34 Yep.

43:34 Yeah.

43:34 Did you finish all of this reading through all of it?

43:37 No.

43:37 Oh, okay.

43:37 Sorry.

43:37 Carry on.

43:39 Uh this comes just days after the new

43:41 Microsoft CEO Asha Sharma uh leak Asha Sorry,

43:45 Asha Sharma leaked memo called Game Pass too expensive.

43:50 The price hike to $30 only happened in October 2025,

43:53 1 month before Black Black Ops 7 launched.

43:57 Okay, so it was raised for that.

43:58 So they just lowered it back down.

43:59 That's fine.

44:00 Um for context, Bloomberg reports day one

44:03 COD access cost Microsoft over 300 million dollars

44:07 in lost sales last year with Black Ops

44:10 7 launch sales down over 60% in some markets.

44:14 Wild.

44:15 Microsoft spent $69 billion to buy Call of Duty, put it on Game Pass,

44:20 hike the price to cover it, and is now pulling it back out.

44:22 Was the whole thing worth it?

44:24 I mean, if they're I mean, it could be.

44:28 Dude, we're at the point now where like the the the the billions

44:31 of dollars for company acquisitions have gotten just crazy.

44:36 Like remember when Twitch sold for $1 billion,

44:40 AND EVERYONE WENT, "WHOA!" OKAY, like for context, Twitch,

44:45 while not a money maker, is a strong brand with like strong

44:52 recognizability for younger people with countless users.

44:58 Like it's it's a it's a hyper powerful social media video platform,

45:04 and it sold for a billion dollars,

45:06 and then it was just like what what what was it?

45:08 Like 10 years later or whatever else

45:10 that Twitter sold for 44 billion, and you know,

45:15 I I just it's it's Yeah, are you talking about this 1.75 trillion or whatever?

45:21 Yeah.

45:22 Okay, so so SpaceX acquires Cursor for 60 billion

45:27 They have they have they have they have they

45:29 have the right to They haven't actually done it yet,

45:32 but Cursor has been like, "You can buy us for 60 billion dollars."

45:36 we just are we just reaching a point where these numbers are

45:39 just kind of pure silliness with absolutely

45:43 no attachment whatsoever to business reality?

45:46 Or or or is that Or is that point well in the rearview mirror behind us?

45:50 Like I just

45:50 Yeah, I think it's I think it's behind us, to be completely honest.

45:53 Like I I I would sell Linus Media Group for for 60 billion dollars.

45:58 I'd I'd sell the right to acquire Linus

46:00 Media Group for 60 billion dollars, no problem.

46:02 It's like what's what's the problem?

46:03 I bet I'm more profitable than them.

46:05 It's just as legitimately on paper as the uh

46:07 the the memory purchases from Sam Altman.

46:10 Yeah, exactly.

46:11 Amikar and Full Point Shot said, "As a British Indian,

46:13 I can confirm it's pronounced more like Asha." Thank you.

46:18 Sounds good.

46:19 Um

46:22 Was it worth it?

46:24 Cuz I mean, technically they did get more than just Call of Duty.

46:29 There was Candy Crush Saga.

46:32 World of Warcraft.

46:33 Whatever stuff Blizzard is pissing away.

46:36 Um I've heard people are happy with the the new stuff.

46:43 Oh, yeah?

46:44 I don't I don't even remember what it's called.

46:46 Latest Candies?

46:47 No, the wild stuff.

46:49 Oh, really?

46:50 Uh Midnight.

46:50 Midnight.

46:52 Okay, well, that's cool.

46:53 Yeah, oh, okay.

46:54 Oh, oh, oh, oh, cool says, "Yeah, new wild good."

46:58 Overwatch is apparently also like I think since

47:02 they just gave up on the whole two stuff,

47:05 it's been getting more attraction again, which is interesting.

47:08 Wow, Rob Phil says, "StarCraft tabletop game coming." What?

47:13 Schwat?

47:15 Interesting.

47:15 Please don't tell me it's just Risk.

47:17 You have my attention.

47:20 You know, game-inspired tabletop games have

47:22 been doing pretty well lately, actually.

47:27 starcrafttmg.com Maybe the page will load.

47:32 [laughter and gasps] About our

47:33 Oh, I'm on it.

47:33 My page loaded.

47:35 Nice.

47:36 Okay, what am I what am I what am I looking at here?

47:38 What am I looking at?

47:38 Tabletop miniatures game.

47:39 So, is it Warhammer?

47:42 These are very concept dirty.

47:46 60 to 120 minutes.

47:48 It's Warhammer.

47:49 Oh, okay.

47:51 I mean, sure.

47:54 It sure is Warhammer.

47:57 Oh.

47:57 Okay, so they're just chasing that Warhammer money.

48:02 Yeah.

48:03 Apparently them Warhammer gamers got them moneys.

48:06 All right.

48:06 My God.

48:08 I mean, they don't call it Warhammer 401K for a reason.

48:12 [laughter]

48:12 That's pretty good.

48:13 I've never heard that before.

48:15 I haven't either.

48:15 That is pretty good.

48:16 That's good that's good[ __] Yeah.

48:18 Okay.

48:18 Okay.

48:18 Okay.

48:20 [laughter] Are you going to lower the price, please?

48:21 I don't think it's going to happen.

48:22 Nope.

48:22 All right.

48:23 Well, anyway.

48:24 Good luck with that, Blizzard.

48:27 Yeah.

48:29 Um Yeah, let's let let's let's do let's do a thing.

48:31 Let's All right.

48:35 Uh where do I find that?

48:38 Oh, I already I already kind of did that though.

48:41 I mean, sure.

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49:43 free tech sack if you buy a commuter or LTT original backpack in the US.

49:48 And it's running from April 24th to May 7th.

49:50 So, don't wait for the storm to pass.

49:52 Get in there now.

49:56 Uh what else am I supposed to be doing, Dan?

49:58 Couple comms, if you want.

50:00 Oh, right.

50:01 Yeah, okay, right.

50:01 And if you if you send if you place your order now,

50:04 then it's a perfect time to uh send a comm, a checkout message.

50:08 We don't believe in sort of throwing money at your screen just,

50:12 you know, in hopes that maybe your favorite streamer senpai will notice you.

50:17 We think that it's great for us to be able to interact with you guys,

50:20 but we also want you to get quality merchandise in the mail.

50:23 So, we created checkout messages,

50:26 which are the best way to interact with the WAN Show.

50:28 All you got to do is head over to lttstore.com.

50:31 Luke's on it.

50:33 Add uh some terrific quality merchandise to your cart.

50:37 When you went to lttlabs.com plug.

50:39 Shameless plug.

50:40 Nice, nice.

50:41 New site, by the way.

50:43 Oh, yeah.

50:43 Oh, yeah, the new site is live.

50:44 Now's a great time to go just like browse

50:47 the site and check out all the cool stuff.

50:48 The the team worked super hard on this.

50:51 Um by the way

50:52 By the way, the multi-pocket leggings, dude Smash hit.

50:55 Oh, yeah.

50:55 Do you remember me talking about like, "Hey, we really need this to be a success

50:58 or like women's apparel might not be a thing." Dude,

51:00 but they they're gone.

51:01 Classic LTT Store fashion,

51:03 tried to get some for for friends and family, they're gone.

51:07 Nice.

51:08 [laughter]

51:08 So many sizes are sold out.

51:10 So, if you want to have a shot at them, now's a great time to go check it out.

51:12 Anyway, I don't know, throw a screwdriver in the cart.

51:14 So, all you got to do is throw something in your cart, and you will see

51:19 Bum ba da bum.

51:20 Bum ba da bum.

51:21 The checkout message interface.

51:23 You can leave a message.

51:24 That'll go to producer Dan, who will reply to it,

51:27 or he will uh just pop it up like that one that's up at the top right now,

51:32 or he will curate it for me and Luke to respond to.

51:36 By the way, there's a new dashboard where you can see your checkout messages.

51:41 How do people access that?

51:44 Uh Uh is it again?

51:46 in case you miss the little, you know, the little pop-up like this.

51:49 Uh Um I think it's at the bottom here.

51:52 There's a spot somewhere.

51:54 So, if we go to my screen, check out message portal right here.

51:58 Yeah, so if you're signed in, there you go.

52:01 Nice.

52:03 That is That is like the geekiest 1990s how many page visits

52:09 my GeoCities site has received thing that I have seen in forever.

52:13 I actually kind of like it.

52:15 yeah.

52:14 That's pretty cool.

52:16 That's very cool.

52:17 All [snorts] right.

52:17 Anyway, Dan, do you want to show us how it

52:19 works by curating a couple of checkout messages for us?

52:24 Before, hold on before you do that though,

52:26 David Gauthier's neighbor Joseph is apparently a huge

52:29 LTT fan and it's his birthday this week.

52:33 Oh.

52:32 Happy birthday, Joseph.

52:33 Happy birthday, Joseph.

52:34 David never asks for anything like that.

52:36 So, when he was like, "Hey,

52:38 it would mean a lot to me if you could shout out Joseph." I was like,

52:41 "Yes, you know, sure thing, sir." All right, Dan, hit me.

52:46 Sure thing.

52:47 Happy storm sale, DLL.

52:49 Can you please tell the story of what happened to the Moto shirt?

52:52 I was going to buy one as a gift for my employee.

52:54 Only one.

52:56 It's all that was deserving.

52:59 No, I can't.

53:02 Okay.

53:02 Sorry, what What was the question?

53:04 The Moto shirt is no longer on the site.

53:10 Oh.

53:10 Yeah.

53:11 Up next.

53:13 I at some point I may or may not know what

53:17 I may or may not be able to say about it.

53:24 [laughter] But it is not this day.

53:25 How has the process for vetting sponsors evolved over time?

53:29 Any learnings you care to share?

53:31 Yeah, actually.

53:32 I mean, I think in the very early days we didn't really have a lot of choice.

53:37 It was It was pretty much whoever was

53:38 in my Rolodex from my time at NCIX and, you know,

53:42 was willing to go to bat for me

53:44 and and try to try to allocate some of the budget

53:47 that at the time would have been predominantly allocated

53:50 to like written media for this like newfangled YouTube sponsorships thing.

53:56 Um It it's it's it's still wild to me how long

53:59 the transition took and even now as has continued to take given how

54:05 how data heavy uh video is and how sort of like obviously

54:11 more trustworthy those metrics are compared

54:13 to more traditional mediums like magazines.

54:15 Like I've talked about this on the WAN Show before,

54:17 but did you know that the way

54:18 that magazines calculate how much you're paying for ads

54:22 assumes that that magazine gets read cover to cover

54:25 like like six times or something like that.

54:28 Like Like newspapers too.

54:29 Like they would calculate that every

54:30 newspaper passed through multiple people's hands

54:33 and that every person who looked at it looked at every single ad.

54:36 Like it like it's like it was crazy.

54:39 Uh whereas with video we had, you know,

54:41 the world's biggest advertising company with the most sort

54:46 of as far as I could tell trustworthy analytics saying,

54:51 "Hey, you got this many views." And people just like they weren't into it.

54:55 They weren't interested in it.

54:56 So for a long time it was whoever would go to bat for me and and would,

55:00 you know, get us the support to to to sponsor the videos.

55:04 And then from there there was a a big

55:06 transition to uh like radio advertisers were moving into podcasting.

55:12 And then from podcasting it's a pretty

55:15 natural transition into like video podcasts.

55:18 And then from there a lot of those folks like the Squarespaces of the world,

55:22 uh the like Dollar Shave Clubs of the world made their way into into YouTube.

55:27 Um from there that model proved so successful for companies like Dollar Shave

55:32 Club that uh in in growing their business that I think over time it

55:37 would just became sort of part of the playbook and so nowadays um

55:41 like I was I was at a conference recently for YouTubers and YouTube executives.

55:47 It's It's over now so I can I can disclose that it existed.

55:51 And uh one of the big things that uh that YouTube was talking

55:54 about that other creators are talking

55:56 about is like major major brand partnerships.

55:59 You know, one talked about working with McDonald's.

56:01 Um they showed this example of like a like

56:04 a a collaboration between State Farm and like a more

56:06 athletic oriented YouTuber who tried to kick like

56:09 a whole bunch of field goals or something like that.

56:11 Um so nowadays you have kind of a ton of choice.

56:17 a State Farm thing?

56:19 So you got a ton of choice these days

56:20 and so back to your question about vetting.

56:22 I guess what I'll say is in the early days we

56:24 didn't really have to because it was all brands that we

56:28 like already were intimately familiar with the product or the people

56:31 and so we like we knew or later on it was super

56:35 established brands who if they had a bunch of really awful

56:37 skeletons in their closet they would uh they it would have

56:40 come up at some point in the podcasting world which is

56:42 like kind of a more sort of professional old school media space.

56:46 And then now that your inbox at any given time if you're a a mid-sized or up

56:51 creator is just going to be full of sponsorship

56:54 opportunities it's a it's a ton of work.

56:57 So I got to give a ton of credit

56:59 to both our business team and our uh our community.

57:03 So we actually uh I I think the team does

57:07 a a quite good job of just sort of doing background

57:09 checks on sponsors that we work with and I also think

57:12 our community does a really good job of of highlighting things

57:17 that arise with the brands that we're working with that don't

57:20 align with our values and with our expectations which I think

57:24 in turn elevates the perception of the brands that do meet

57:28 the bar and that do work with you know, Linus Media Group.

57:31 So uh you know, for us,

57:34 our our brand selection really comes down to that they operate with integrity,

57:39 um that they take care of our viewers.

57:41 Like, if one of our viewers comes to us and basically goes like,

57:44 "Yeah, this this brand screwed me over.

57:47 Like, I got scammed, um and I have receipts." You know,

57:51 that's something that we want to know,

57:52 and we have feedback We have a feedback

57:54 form for that at uh linustechtips.com on the forum.

57:57 Um and that's that's a that's a huge part of it,

57:59 just maintaining that that accountability and that integrity all

58:03 the way uh all the way up and down.

58:07 This is super off topic, but you were talking about Dollar Shave Club,

58:10 and I I realized that I haven't heard about them in freaking forever.

58:16 So, I just looked it up, and like, they do still exist,

58:19 but I was like genuinely somewhat surprised by that.

58:22 I find it really interesting.

58:24 Certain companies, uh maybe even certain products.

58:28 I looked it up, apparently uh Dollar Shave Club is under capital management now,

58:32 so like, okay, whatever.

58:35 Um but certain companies, they just sort of stop eventually.

58:40 I find this especially in like, you know, like

58:42 Well, they run out of VC capital.

58:44 snacks and certain like grocery store stuff.

58:46 just was like spending money like there was no tomorrow,

58:49 and then suddenly there was no tomorrow.

58:50 Yeah, but but even like even like uh I Savage Jerky?

58:55 Is that another example?

58:56 No, I'm talking even big brand stuff.

58:59 Oh, sure.

59:00 Like, even even if you're like under the Coke umbrella or something.

59:04 Oh my god.

59:05 Madrina's not only still exists, but they have a Dave the Diver like Huh.

59:10 What what what what is this?

59:12 Is it like an energy powder thing?

59:13 That's hilarious.

59:14 All right, anyway.

59:15 Squid flavor.

59:17 Sure.

59:17 Sure, why not?

59:19 Um but there'll be like some Think of some like snack

59:22 that would have been advertised on TV like crazy when we were kids,

59:26 and then you never hear about it

59:27 on any form of advertisement ever in many years,

59:30 but it's still in the store.

59:32 I literally haven't seen a Dunkaroo ad since I was a child.

59:35 like every channel when I was growing up.

59:38 Dunkaroos, Dunkaroos, get as much frosting as you choose.

59:41 I'm sure they still exist.

59:44 But like it's yeah, they for sure.

59:46 It's it's weird to me though that they'll just they'll just stop at some point.

59:52 They will just completely turn off the the advertising pipeline.

59:58 But this you can't call it a nostalgic

1:00:00 snack and then shape the cookie like that.

1:00:04 It was a foot.

1:00:06 Ugh.

1:00:08 Terrible.

1:00:09 Literally literally inedible.

1:00:10 know if I had Dunkaroos.

1:00:12 But yeah, there was ads for them everywhere and then they just stopped.

1:00:14 There's there's a ton of things like that, too.

1:00:16 You when you walk through the grocery store, it's like almost a weird if you go

1:00:19 through like mostly the boxed goods area, obviously.

1:00:23 Um it's kind of a weird experience of like, oh yeah,

1:00:25 I remember ads for that thing like 20 years ago.

1:00:29 I've never heard of it ever since other than it just being on the shelf.

1:00:33 Um It's it's just interesting to me like how these We if it's Coke,

1:00:38 I kind of understand cuz you probably have an R&D

1:00:40 group that's for just like all of your different product lines.

1:00:46 And they'll just release some stuff kind of whatever.

1:00:48 But if you're a relatively smaller company, like what?

1:00:53 You just like fire everyone and stop?

1:00:55 But you just keep making your product, I guess.

1:00:58 I literally don't know.

1:00:59 Apparently there were lots of different shapes

1:01:00 of Dunkaroos I'm I'm finding other shapes of Dunkaroos.

1:01:03 Coke also has murder squads to help.

1:01:05 Yeah, I'm not endorsing them.

1:01:06 That's a whole separate thing.

1:01:08 Yeah.

1:01:09 To be clear.

1:01:09 Happened in a whole separate country, completely out of your jurisdiction.

1:01:12 So what are you going to do about it?

1:01:13 Throw it out of court.

1:01:15 It's a wild story if you want to go down a rabbit hole.

1:01:17 Yeah, it really it really is.

1:01:20 [clears throat]

1:01:22 Okay.

1:01:21 Oh, speaking of you know,

1:01:22 brands sort of doing things that are not always totally predictable.

1:01:27 Or wait, do you still owe us another com Oh, no, we're moving into topics now.

1:01:30 I mean, we could do another one.

1:01:31 I would probably prefer that.

1:01:32 We have quite a few.

1:01:34 Okay.

1:01:34 All right, let's do one more.

1:01:35 I am looking at possibly getting a new handheld.

1:01:38 I know Linus has a large variety of them.

1:01:41 I have the OG Steam Deck.

1:01:42 Is it worth it to upgrade to something different?

1:01:45 Money is not in consideration.

1:01:48 Oh, I mean, yeah, sure.

1:01:49 If money's not in consideration, buy one of each.

1:01:52 Okay, I know I know people don't

1:01:53 Hate it when they say that.

1:01:54 People never really mean that money is not a consideration.

1:01:58 Money is always a consideration.

1:02:00 You could literally be shopping for a private jet and money would

1:02:05 still be a consideration because there's

1:02:07 there's degrees of copious amount of money.

1:02:09 But I Okay, I'm going to I'm going to assume that what

1:02:12 you meant is that you could fit into your budget any one handheld.

1:02:18 And if that's the case,

1:02:21 I got to tell you that I haven't yet seen my perfect Steam Deck upgrade.

1:02:30 There are handhelds that are bigger.

1:02:34 There are handhelds that are better.

1:02:36 There are or faster, rather.

1:02:39 There are ones that are that have features that the Steam Deck doesn't have.

1:02:46 Um, you know, like if you wanted an OLED screen, you could get this one.

1:02:50 Or if you wanted

1:02:51 Just Steam Deck OLED.

1:02:52 Better compatibility.

1:02:53 Uh, yeah, but they have a They have an original Steam Deck, though.

1:02:56 Oh.

1:02:56 Uh, if if you wanted more compatibility, there's ones that run Windows.

1:02:59 If you wanted one with detachable like

1:03:01 Joy-Con things that have like mice in them.

1:03:04 Uh, Lenovo has one that does that.

1:03:06 Like there's You name a gimmick, somebody has it.

1:03:08 If you want one that has like ergo grips,

1:03:10 there's the Xbox Ally Series X Ally thing.

1:03:14 Um, you know, some something like that, right?

1:03:17 But, Valve keeps saying, "Hey,

1:03:20 we need like like next-generation level hardware in order to rev the Steam Deck,

1:03:28 in order to do a Steam Deck 2." And Valve keeps holding off.

1:03:35 And I I kind of hm it's hard for me to disagree with them.

1:03:39 Now, with that said, I do daily a more powerful handheld.

1:03:43 I have an ROG Ally.

1:03:45 That's actually my daily driver,

1:03:46 which is crazy because I actually have an Xbox ROG Ally X,

1:03:50 whatever it's called, thing in my house that I don't use because,

1:03:54 and this is going to be crazy sounding, when I'm playing handheld,

1:03:57 I actually prefer the flat deck compared to the like the like ergo grip thing,

1:04:04 or at least I don't prefer the grips enough to be

1:04:08 worth how much extra space it takes up in my backpack.

1:04:11 it's uh okay, that's a pretty interesting argument.

1:04:13 Do you think it's hand size?

1:04:14 I think that's part of it,

1:04:16 but I think it's also just like that the ergo

1:04:19 grip thing is like perfect for playing like this.

1:04:23 And I don't always play like this.

1:04:26 Okay.

1:04:26 Sometimes I'm lying on my tummy, sometimes I roll over onto my back,

1:04:30 and and the flat deck just works a little better for me.

1:04:33 So, that Ally that I upgraded on Short Circuit with the JSAUX upgraded battery,

1:04:38 and then the new back on it, so it's a little bit heavier,

1:04:41 is is actually still my preferred handheld out of out of all of them,

1:04:46 even though it's like an like an older It's an older handheld,

1:04:48 sir, but it checks out, you know.

1:04:50 My fav- I I I never played it laying down looking up,

1:04:55 um but my my favorite for ergonomics handheld,

1:04:58 if you can even call it that, was that the the Wii U controller.

1:05:02 Oh, yeah.

1:05:02 I really liked Oh, yeah.

1:05:04 the the like feel.

1:05:05 That's one of the reasons why I was like

1:05:07 a little frustrated with the Switch when it first came out,

1:05:09 was So like I get it.

1:05:12 The Wii U controller is really bulky cuz it was set up for a home console, but

1:05:16 like practically pocketable by comparison.

1:05:18 Like it's But it just it didn't feel like

1:05:20 my my hands were very cramped on the original Switch.

1:05:24 Yeah.

1:05:23 I mean, my hands were cramped on the original Switch.

1:05:26 Okay.

1:05:26 Okay, with that said, there is there is a handheld that uh you know,

1:05:32 it is is next generation in terms of performance, but you would be spending

1:05:37 Uh yeah.

1:05:38 Here, hold on.

1:05:38 What is a Win 5 go for right now?

1:05:41 Here it is, gpdstore.net.

1:05:43 Okay, nine reviews.

1:05:44 Okay, people mostly are pretty into it.

1:05:48 Okay, that's good to know.

1:05:50 This guy's a little disappointed, but still gave it three stars.

1:05:54 All right, what's a Win 5 worth right now?

1:05:58 Two grand.

1:05:59 That's not even the top configuration.

1:06:02 That is the base configuration.

1:06:05 1 TB of storage.

1:06:08 That's actually the one that's the most painful to me.

1:06:10 Like okay, I want 2 TB of storage.

1:06:12 So ex- sorry, excuse me, another $400?

1:06:16 Storage is so ridiculous right now.

1:06:19 Um that's rough.

1:06:19 I want to go to a Ryzen 9 3950X?

1:06:21 Oh, oh, that'll be Sorry, that'll be $2,800, sir.

1:06:25 Also Oh, okay, you also get I mean, honestly Oh, wow.

1:06:27 Okay, well, I would take I would certainly

1:06:30 take the 64 gigs of RAM, 2 TB storage,

1:06:33 and the better CPU over the uh 4 TB 32 and then lower CPU because uh

1:06:40 these ones it's not just the CPU that's

1:06:42 that's worse for this one, it's also the GPU.

1:06:44 So this is the more powerful GPU.

1:06:46 So yeah, yeah, you're spending uh $2,800 US dollars.

1:06:50 [clears throat]

1:06:51 A handheld, though.

1:06:52 And and it's barely handheld, dude.

1:06:55 It has like this like battery pack thing that weighs

1:06:58 a flipping ton that clips onto the back of it.

1:07:00 Or how I usually ended up using it was with the weird tether.

1:07:04 Yeah, the te- especially the tether.

1:07:06 If you're like commuting on a train or something with a lot of your time,

1:07:10 which I suspect a lot of handheld bros are

1:07:13 You Yeah.

1:07:14 commuting on trains or buses or whatever,

1:07:16 I could see that being fine, to be honest.

1:07:19 here's the tether.

1:07:20 It's Oh.

1:07:21 It's pretty

1:07:22 That's weirder than I expected, to be honest.

1:07:24 It's because it's just the battery.

1:07:26 It looks like it was for like a platform or something.

1:07:28 Am I seeing that wrong in the picture?

1:07:30 So, this is the clip interface here that sticks onto uh the battery interface

1:07:36 that is on the back of this battery and is on the back of the machine.

1:07:39 And then it just like goes to an umbilical cord to the back of the thing.

1:07:42 So, it can be like this, or it can be like this.

1:07:44 And so, yeah, is there something better than the Steam Deck?

1:07:47 Like, yeah, there's lots of things that are

1:07:49 better than the Steam Deck in some way.

1:07:52 But, there is in my opinion,

1:07:54 nothing that is better than the Steam Deck in every way.

1:08:00 And that's that's tough.

1:08:01 That makes it tough for me to recommend something and it

1:08:05 without like knowing you and knowing exactly what you're after.

1:08:09 And I can see why it makes it tough for Valve to go,

1:08:12 "Okay, here's Steam Deck 2."

1:08:17 Yeah.

1:08:17 And especially now amidst the RAM apocalypse.

1:08:19 Yeah, I don't blame Valve for waiting at all.

1:08:21 I think it makes sense.

1:08:22 Um I think my time I I'm like I've already kind of convinced

1:08:27 myself I'm going to buy a Steam Deck 2 when they get announced,

1:08:30 like right off the hop.

1:08:32 Um That.

1:08:35 I think I feel like it's too late to get one now,

1:08:38 yet out of all of them,

1:08:39 that's the one that I want right now, if that makes sense.

1:08:42 So, I have I have my Switch 2.

1:08:45 I'm just going to hang on to that.

1:08:46 I was I contemplating selling it, but no, I'm just going to hang on to that.

1:08:49 And then, uh when the when the Steam Deck 2 finally comes out,

1:08:53 I'm assuming it's going to be another like 2 years.

1:08:56 Um Hopefully not much more than that.

1:09:00 I think 2 years sounds about right.

1:09:02 Yeah.

1:09:02 Cuz by then we'll be like well into Steam Machine and Steam Frame life cycle,

1:09:06 so they'll have had some time cuz realistically ain't no way that the Steam

1:09:12 Machine Steam Frame team is not pivoting to Steam Deck 2 once they're done.

1:09:18 So give them a year to get everything kind of going with those.

1:09:24 Yeah.

1:09:24 And then there's no way that they don't get some

1:09:25 resources for Steam Deck 2 and then make that happen.

1:09:28 Oh hi Josh posted "Do you play games that are too much for Steam Deck?

1:09:31 It might still be worth it." That is a super interesting question that I've

1:09:37 I've had some conversations with actually some people in the labs about of like

1:09:41 That's a super fair point.

1:09:42 If you want to play Balatro If it's a Balatro machine anyways

1:09:46 Do it.

1:09:47 then who cares?

1:09:47 What does it matter?

1:09:48 Um it could be a fun video for for you guys

1:09:51 to make is like the Steam Deck however many years later.

1:09:55 95% No, not 95, but like 85% of my hours

1:09:58 on my Ally or Steam Deck over the years are tape-to-tape.

1:10:03 I also I also Yeah, and that would have played that on anything.

1:10:05 Yeah.

1:10:06 I Another angle and this was not my idea.

1:10:08 I don't remember who said it, but um maybe it was even you.

1:10:11 I I have genuinely no memory of who said

1:10:13 this, but um if you could somehow get like

1:10:17 the original or close to the original version of Steam

1:10:20 OS on it and compare the performance then to now.

1:10:26 I don't know if we benchmarked it at the time.

1:10:29 I don't really think so.

1:10:31 Uh there'd be a Someone might have?

1:10:32 There'd be so many variables.

1:10:34 I think someone might have actually done this.

1:10:38 Oh maybe.

1:10:38 I don't know.

1:10:39 Um wasn't it Nvidia only though?

1:10:42 And like I think maybe you could like hack in Radeon support.

1:10:45 I I I don't remember the details well enough.

1:10:47 I'd have to They They should put an Nvidia card the Steam Deck.

1:10:50 For the Steam?

1:10:51 No, no.

1:10:51 I'm talking original Steam OS.

1:10:53 No, I'm not.

1:10:55 Oh, you mean Steam OS 3, but like the first version of Steam OS 3.

1:10:59 I meant Yeah, the first version for the Steam Deck.

1:11:02 Got it.

1:11:02 Uh I thought you meant like I didn't say that.

1:11:04 It's my bad.

1:11:04 Sorry, the one from like 14 years ago.

1:11:07 no, no, no, no, no.

1:11:07 Or 10 years ago or whatever.

1:11:09 be a little less.

1:11:09 I I more mean like what performance changes have happened like deep diving

1:11:14 what is it like to own a Steam Deck this many years in?

1:11:17 I think it would be kind of fun.

1:11:18 So, like how much performance gain have you had from updates or lack thereof?

1:11:21 Who knows.

1:11:22 Uh but I think it would be gain.

1:11:24 Um how is your like, "Hey,

1:11:27 let's look at like the the top 10 games that are compatible with Steam Deck

1:11:31 Yeah.

1:11:31 in terms of players right now, how well is it performing um on the Steam Deck?

1:11:36 Like is this still a highly viable device for most people?

1:11:39 Stuff like that.

1:11:40 I think it would be kind of fun.

1:11:41 Really interesting.

1:11:42 I think it's I think it's a cool idea.

1:11:43 We have so many video ideas on the docket right now.

1:11:46 BIOS updates would be difficult to downgrade.

1:11:47 Yeah, we'd have to try to find like an unboxed one or something.

1:11:51 It wouldn't be an easy thing to do.

1:11:54 Yeah.

1:11:54 but it could be kind of fun.

1:11:55 I'm feeling that's the kind of thing that Valve,

1:11:58 if they weren't so flipping busy right now,

1:12:00 might even be interested in helping us with.

1:12:04 Mhm.

1:12:03 Like, "Hey, could you guys We just Can we ship you a Steam Deck and can

1:12:06 you please put it back in like There's no way they don't have it somewhere."

1:12:09 My My expectation is that there's actually

1:12:11 been some pretty massive jumps in performance.

1:12:14 Looking at like the things that have

1:12:15 happened in gaming ever since the original launch.

1:12:18 So, that could be like honestly a really good thing for them to have.

1:12:24 Something that'd be a good thing for us to have is

1:12:26 a more coherent strategy for how we're transitioning to the WAN Show channel.

1:12:32 I think we may have to just pull the plug on streaming WAN

1:12:39 Show to LTT because right now it's causing a lot of confusion for people.

1:12:43 We go live and we have a separate VOD

1:12:46 on the Linus Tech Tips channel and on the WAN Show channel.

1:12:48 And I got to say I'm actually surprised and impressed with how

1:12:52 much of the community has flipped over to WAN Show channel.

1:12:55 It's almost it's not quite 50/50,

1:12:58 but it's like getting there a lot faster than I thought.

1:13:00 So, WAN Show channel is around 5,000 uh views.

1:13:05 That's views, okay.

1:13:05 And then the live the live one is the far left one?

1:13:09 Yeah, okay.

1:13:09 Yeah, so I think we we might just have to like

1:13:12 we might just have to do it sometime soon here.

1:13:17 I didn't foresee this, but it totally makes sense.

1:13:20 Yeah.

1:13:20 The second someone told me like, "Oh, there's there's two in my feed.

1:13:23 This sucks." I was like, "Oh, right."

1:13:25 Yeah, I'm I'm really sorry.

1:13:26 We we do need to co-stream for a little while, but guys,

1:13:29 uh if you are watching on Linus Tech Tips channel right now,

1:13:33 please sooner rather than later get subscribed over on The WAN Show.

1:13:38 So, go go look for the channel.

1:13:39 It used to be the LMG Clips channel.

1:13:41 We rebranded it.

1:13:42 Go subscribe over on The WAN Show.

1:13:44 We got to get everybody moved over there sooner rather

1:13:46 than later or you will not see WAN Show anymore.

1:13:50 And the reason for it is it's a business reason.

1:13:52 Uh Luke and I are now 50% co-owners of The WAN Show,

1:13:55 which means it's got to get off of the LTT

1:13:58 channel in order to secure its long-term future.

1:14:01 Thank you, WAN Show, for your service.

1:14:03 Um all right, let's jump right into our next topic here, which is Oh, lord.

1:14:12 Should we do it?

1:14:14 Let's talk about it.

1:14:15 AMD's Ryzen 9 9950X3D to dual edition launch.

1:14:22 If you were wondering how the chip performs,

1:14:24 uh it's virtually identical to a 9800X3D or a 9950X3D in gaming.

1:14:30 It got a 4 to 5% improvement in productivity workloads,

1:14:33 like kind of creator-focused stuff,

1:14:35 and in some science workloads it did even better

1:14:37 than that, but for most people it doesn't really make

1:14:40 sense unless you see it as maybe kind of like

1:14:42 a like a budget workstation CPU for folks who

1:14:46 can't afford the a thread ripper and also don't

1:14:49 need the PCI lanes and also don't need the you

1:14:52 know insane memory bandwidth the thread ripper and don't

1:14:55 need the upgrade path to many many many more cores.

1:14:59 Don't need you know registered dims they just can use ECC U dims there's a lot

1:15:04 of compromises using it as a budget workstation

1:15:06 but there is an argument to be made there.

1:15:08 Of course with such a um Sorry excuse

1:15:14 me uh interesting launch naturally the more um

1:15:21 exciting component of it in the community has

1:15:23 been the discourse around AMD's sampling strategy which

1:15:29 You can tell the CPU was not super interesting.

1:15:33 Well can you because some reviewers felt that they were left out.

1:15:40 You know what?

1:15:41 I'm just going to read the thing.

1:15:43 Um In our communications with AMD we were told that they had

1:15:49 limited units and wanted to focus

1:15:52 on developers before sending units to reviewers.

1:15:55 That seems to be that a message that did not quite line up

1:15:59 with their strategy because some very gaming focused

1:16:01 channels like Hardware Unboxed were provided with samples.

1:16:04 This confusion has led some to assume that AMD was

1:16:07 preferentially seeding to friendly reviewers

1:16:10 or even blacklisting certain publications.

1:16:13 TechPowerUp noted that even retail partners had received instructions

1:16:16 specifically to not provide any units to publications for review.

1:16:21 Sourcing review units from retailers is a pretty common practice

1:16:24 and has at times been approved by AMD in the past.

1:16:28 Igor's Lab criticized how this sort of selective

1:16:30 sampling hurts consumers because they don't have

1:16:32 access to the broad amount of data

1:16:34 they usually would to make an informed decision.

1:16:37 Um One of our fellow channels in the industry released

1:16:42 a video stating they believe they've been blacklisted by AMD.

1:16:46 Uh this came from GN who said AMD excluded us

1:16:49 not only from sampling but from information about the announcement.

1:16:54 Um they also noted that they have been moved

1:16:57 to a third-party PR agency rather than communicating with AMD directly.

1:17:02 So, as for our side,

1:17:04 uh we also are communicating with AMD through a third-party agency.

1:17:08 The agency did get in touch uh

1:17:10 and they did answer some technical questions before launch.

1:17:12 They were not timely about it and they did not provide us with a chip.

1:17:17 Um I have been I have in my notes how we got our chip.

1:17:22 It apparently fell off the back of a truck just outside of uh Smash Champs,

1:17:26 um our our affiliated badminton club.

1:17:29 So, that's really fortunate, actually.

1:17:32 Um and in summary, no,

1:17:36 AMD did not blacklist anybody because we didn't get a chip.

1:17:41 The basically this comes down to their sampling strategy was different for

1:17:45 strategy was weird.

1:17:47 What it looks like to me is regional.

1:17:49 So, outside of the North America region, YouTubers seem to have gotten samples.

1:17:55 And then within the North America region,

1:17:57 it looks like they went for more written

1:17:59 media for reasons that are AMD's and AMD's alone.

1:18:05 I have not seen any evidence that AMD is selectively

1:18:08 seeding to publications that are more likely to be favorable.

1:18:13 to you?

1:18:14 Oh, 100%.

1:18:15 So, so one region's office had a strategy

1:18:18 and it didn't necessarily match other regions?

1:18:21 That's what it kind of looks like to me

1:18:23 because obviously we are not blacklisted by AMD.

1:18:26 I mean, we partner with AMD on a very regular basis.

1:18:31 They literally buy $5,000 tech upgrades for you know, our employees' homes.

1:18:36 Like we're we're in constant communication with AMD, but we were told, "Yeah,

1:18:41 we're not we're not seeding this CPU to you." Um So, I don't know, man.

1:18:49 There other than just Hey, big companies do big company things sometimes.

1:18:54 I don't think there's there's too much to read into this one.

1:18:57 Seems like a weird move.

1:18:58 I I'm not like crazy surprised just because I suspect

1:19:02 they probably kind of knew how this news would go.

1:19:06 Um but in general, I would still, you know,

1:19:10 I would still like to see all of the CPUs go to CPU reviewers.

1:19:16 Yes, and I mean, but it's all it's never even been a thing.

1:19:20 Like think back to like how Intel has done their seeding for a lot

1:19:23 of their like series launches where they sent like this chip and this chip.

1:19:27 And sometimes it really seems like like self-owning.

1:19:29 Like remember when they launched Core Ultra on the desktop?

1:19:32 And they sent us like the the worst ones.

1:19:34 I sure do.

1:19:35 And we're just like, "Hey, do you want to sell these or not?

1:19:39 Because these ones are clearly the cool ones and we literally can't put

1:19:42 them on our benchmark charts because y'all didn't seed them to us, you know?"

1:19:46 super weird.

1:19:48 Like man, I don't know, man.

1:19:48 Big companies do big company like dumb stuff all the time and um Now,

1:19:56 maybe I'm just maybe I'm just used to it.

1:20:02 [laughter]

1:20:00 Maybe.

1:20:01 It It's This This does seem like I don't know, X3D specifically

1:20:10 Yeah.

1:20:09 has like a very alluring pull to the to the tech enthusiast crowd.

1:20:15 I feel like not including it to video or written reviewers is a little bit odd.

1:20:22 And again, I understand that this chip is also a little bit odd.

1:20:28 Yeah.

1:20:27 So, like maybe it's fine, but just with the naming it

1:20:31 Yeah.

1:20:31 If I was AMD, I'll be honest with you.

1:20:32 Knowing what I know about this chip, I might have seeded it to like

1:20:36 I might have just not done it.

1:20:38 Wendell and Phronix and then just like not bothered outside of that.

1:20:44 Yeah.

1:20:44 Cuz I cuz I I I might be I

1:20:46 might be interested in the perspective of someone who's,

1:20:49 you know, more attuned to the to the the enterprise space.

1:20:53 And then someone who's like hyper attuned

1:20:55 to like the Linux and and like scientific space.

1:20:58 And then realistically, yeah,

1:21:00 it's X3D and you're going to you're going to you're

1:21:04 going to throw that in the marketing because marketers

1:21:06 got to market and they're going to want to sell

1:21:08 it to gamers because that's how big company do things.

1:21:11 But in terms of like caring about gaming outlets making a review of it,

1:21:15 I probably have like zero zero cares.

1:21:19 Yeah.

1:21:20 I mean, based on the benchmarking that happened, it's like Yeah,

1:21:25 I would probably agree with you if they knew what was going on there.

1:21:28 Yeah, and I mean, obviously a company like AMD

1:21:30 knows what their chip is before they release it.

1:21:33 Which actually I shouldn't even say.

1:21:34 Sometimes you do Sometimes you really do have

1:21:36 brands tell you you're They're like, "Oh, hey,

1:21:39 so do you love it?" And you're kind of like "No,

1:21:42 it's slow and expensive." And they're like, "What?"

1:21:45 It's it's [sighs] fascinating.

1:21:48 To me, that's just marketing PR teams being disconnected from technical.

1:21:54 It's got to be.

1:21:55 That's usually the the understanding for me.

1:21:57 Cuz like you remember the whole uh back plate thing?

1:22:00 Was it Gigabyte?

1:22:01 I think it was Gigabyte.

1:22:02 was Gigabyte with that GPU.

1:22:03 And the and the the board was like,

1:22:05 "How could you?" And then the technical people were like, "Yeah, we knew."

1:22:10 Yeah.

1:22:10 We didn't tell them that.

1:22:11 They just put that in the marketing.

1:22:13 Yeah, when they had like some kind

1:22:14 of misleading marketing on their product page.

1:22:17 said their copper back plate cooled the GPU by 3°.

1:22:21 And it turns out that just having no back plate also cooled it by 3°.

1:22:26 It's just their old backplate warmed the card by 3° cuz it was so bad.

1:22:31 Um so it was it was yeah, anyways, whatever.

1:22:36 You know what's not bad though?

1:22:39 LTT Tools casually getting reviews on like PC Gamer.

1:22:45 What the heck?

1:22:46 This came out of nowhere for me.

1:22:48 What?

1:22:50 Right?

1:22:50 PC Gamer, do they have they reviewed any other tools?

1:22:53 I don't know.

1:22:54 LTT Ratcheting Screwdriver and Precision Pro Multi-bit Screwdriver Review.

1:22:59 Serious Tools by Jacob Ridley, published not on April 1st,

1:23:03 but actually on April the 8th.

1:23:05 So this was a little

1:23:07 sweet.

1:23:06 Yeah, this was a little while ago, but I just thought this was pretty cool

1:23:10 and it actually included an anecdote about an experience.

1:23:15 I don't remember meeting Jacob,

1:23:17 but uh apparently we've we've at least crossed paths at some point

1:23:22 because um apparently this was this was his his expectation from me.

1:23:30 I wasn't sure what to expect upon opening the YouTuber branded boxes.

1:23:35 Having once upon a time been at the same booth at a show as Linus,

1:23:39 as he was loudly disagreeing with someone about quality control,

1:23:42 I had a pretty good feeling about

1:23:44 the quality of the screwdrivers before they arrived.

1:23:47 That was a good assumption too, as now they're in front of me.

1:23:50 They feel sturdy and well put together.

1:23:53 That's funny.

1:23:54 That's pretty good.

1:23:55 It was it's an interesting paragraph that really highlights, I think,

1:24:00 why sometimes we do take what feels like a disproportionate

1:24:04 amount of flak sometimes when we make a mistake because Yeah.

1:24:08 that's what we do is we we point out things that are not good enough.

1:24:12 And when our job is to point out things that are not good enough for a living,

1:24:16 then people expect us to do the same

1:24:18 bloody thing internally and it's uh it's funny

1:24:21 because sometimes it would be easy to think

1:24:25 about something like that and go you know, oh, that's that's too much pressure.

1:24:29 I wouldn't want to work somewhere like that.

1:24:31 But, you know what's cool?

1:24:34 Is I think our team actually embraces it in like a big way.

1:24:39 Sorry, I'm not laughing at you.

1:24:41 Um yeah, no, I think so.

1:24:42 I think they do.

1:24:43 Sometimes our product development timelines are also really long,

1:24:47 but this is probably part of why.

1:24:50 Yeah.

1:24:50 part of why.

1:24:51 Oh, dude.

1:24:53 Dude.

1:24:55 Dude.

1:24:55 There's a product coming.

1:24:57 The battery bank?

1:24:59 No.

1:24:59 Okay.

1:25:01 Yeah.

1:25:00 Cuz I you you you put it in a video, you don't have to be I tried the prototype.

1:25:05 I've no idea what he's talking about.

1:25:07 Yeah, you do.

1:25:08 I do?

1:25:09 It's the one.

1:25:11 Come on, man.

1:25:14 Really?

1:25:13 I tried the prototype.

1:25:15 It[ __] slaps.

1:25:19 Dude.

1:25:21 It's crazy.

1:25:22 Oh, that one.

1:25:23 Oh, yeah.

1:25:24 You're that hyped about it.

1:25:26 Dude.

1:25:27 Okay.

1:25:27 It's nuts.

1:25:29 Hell yeah.

1:25:29 I want to quadruple the order.

1:25:30 Like, dude.

1:25:32 Really?

1:25:32 Dude.

1:25:32 I don't even know what the quantity was.

1:25:34 I want to quadruple the order.

1:25:35 me just cuz I I I I I feel like I can't spoil it, but there's there's

1:25:39 Oh, we can't say it.

1:25:40 It's too early.

1:25:41 reasons that he's really excited, I'm really excited.

1:25:45 And did you Did you try it?

1:25:46 Did you try it?

1:25:48 No.

1:25:48 No, no, I'm talking to him.

1:25:49 That guy Yeah, I know he No, no comment.

1:25:51 No comment.

1:25:52 No, but did you try it?

1:25:54 I don't know if I have one or not.

1:25:55 No, you don't have one.

1:25:56 Okay.

1:25:57 You might be thinking of something else.

1:25:59 There's only one.

1:26:00 So, nobody has one except someone.

1:26:02 Then, no.

1:26:03 Okay.

1:26:03 Okay.

1:26:03 No, don't worry about it.

1:26:04 Forget Forget about Dan.

1:26:05 Forget about Dan.

1:26:06 I have not.

1:26:06 We'll never forget about Dan.

1:26:07 We love Dan, but just In this context?

1:26:09 In this Yeah, for for now.

1:26:11 For now.

1:26:13 It's um Dude.

1:26:15 I'm I'm very happy to hear that for a huge variety of reasons.

1:26:19 Yeah.

1:26:19 Yeah.

1:26:19 And I'll leave it there.

1:26:20 Uh anyway, the point is we have a really passionate

1:26:22 team and we and we kind of we embrace those challenges.

1:26:25 Anyway, for that is like it's tight.

1:26:29 Yeah.

1:26:29 to be crazy.

1:26:30 Yeah.

1:26:30 Knock on wood.

1:26:31 Knock on wood.

1:26:31 Yeah.

1:26:33 Yeah.

1:26:32 Um anyway, the PC Gamer review I I thought it was pretty fair.

1:26:36 Um

1:26:37 Cool.

1:26:36 I think there was Yeah, I think there was like one thing that I I was like,

1:26:40 "Oh, I think he might have kind of overlooked

1:26:41 that." But it was like super super minor.

1:26:44 Um and I thought they Yeah, they thought they did a pretty good job.

1:26:47 They compared it to sort of, you know,

1:26:48 obvious things like uh the iFixit Protect Toolkit.

1:26:52 Um Anyway, thanks Jacob for taking the time.

1:26:56 Sweet.

1:26:56 Appreciate you.

1:26:59 Uh what do we want to talk about next?

1:27:00 We're supposed to do another topic.

1:27:02 It is not the crowbar hammer and guys, that is a Never happening.

1:27:05 That is a never happening situation.

1:27:07 Oh, yeah.

1:27:08 Never happening.

1:27:10 Uh do do do do do do every SK Hynix employee could I think that's a bold could,

1:27:19 but could rece It might happen.

1:27:21 Uh could receive $477,000 bonuses this year.

1:27:26 Woo!

1:27:27 Almost 900,000 next year.

1:27:28 Apparently, 35,000 workers are set out to benefit from a share

1:27:34 of 169 billion in projected operating profit for the year.

1:27:40 SK Hynix agreed last September to remove

1:27:42 its previous bonus caps, hilarious timing, and allocate 10% of annual operating

1:27:47 profit directly to employees as performance bonuses.

1:27:50 With analysts forecasting around 250 trillion won or 169 billion,

1:27:57 I'm assuming US dollars, in operating profit for 2026,

1:28:01 that works out to roughly the previously mentioned

1:28:04 $477,000 per employee across its 35,000 person workforce.

1:28:09 On top of the $95,000 in profit sharing already paid out in February.

1:28:15 If profits keep climbing,

1:28:16 bonuses could hit nearly $900,000 per person next year.

1:28:22 Woo!

1:28:24 The AI boom The AI boom is driving all this.

1:28:27 Demand for HBM memory chips used in AI

1:28:29 accelerators has sent memory prices through record highs,

1:28:32 and SK Hynix is the dominant supplier.

1:28:34 The company's transparent bonus formula has

1:28:37 become a recruiting weapon against Samsung,

1:28:40 which is now facing its own crisis with over So,

1:28:43 this is the thing that I thought

1:28:44 we were originally talking about for some reason,

1:28:46 which I was which is why I said maybe.

1:28:48 I guess the previous stuff is pretty locked in.

1:28:50 The maybe stuff is is is this.

1:28:51 So, sorry.

1:28:52 I I I I had the wrong reaction there.

1:28:55 Samsung's union uh whoa whoa whoa what's going on?

1:28:59 Samsung union members

1:29:00 are demanding a similar deal

1:29:03 with a strike.

1:29:05 A strike date set for May 21st.

1:29:07 That's crazy.

1:29:09 A strike right now could seriously hurt earning potential.

1:29:13 This is This is a very interesting to watch.

1:29:16 Samsung's union is pushing for 15% of operating profit,

1:29:20 pointing out that their bonuses currently amount to less

1:29:23 than 30% of what uh comparable SK Hynix workers receive.

1:29:28 Samsung management countered with 10%, which the union rejected.

1:29:33 Dude, this is This is crazy to watch.

1:29:34 This is like This is some peak-tier

1:29:38 not

1:29:38 negotiating.

1:29:38 Like, remember when we were talking about everything that was going

1:29:41 on with like SAG-AFTRA and and like and in Holly in Hollywood,

1:29:45 you know, down south,

1:29:46 and I was talking about like kind of, you know, bold strategy.

1:29:50 Cotton, let's see how it works out for them

1:29:51 because they were striking at a time when a lot

1:29:55 of studios were actually pairing back their productions and uh

1:30:00 losing money on a lot of big tentpole projects.

1:30:02 And like

1:30:03 This is the hard opposite of that scenario.

1:30:06 This is the timing you want.

1:30:08 Yeah.

1:30:08 Yeah.

1:30:08 You're a specialized worker in something that is absolutely b- b- b- b- banging.

1:30:16 There is a place making record profits

1:30:19 that could definitely hire you in uh Yeah.

1:30:24 They could could very easily definitely hire you.

1:30:26 And I And I think they are

1:30:28 Yeah, they know they've been apparently taking advantage

1:30:31 of this of this situation right now because from an SK Hynix standpoint,

1:30:38 I can see why why not.

1:30:40 Because you're going to allocate 10% of your annual operating profit.

1:30:45 So, what do you care as like

1:30:48 If the If the bubble pops

1:30:50 I just mean what do you care at the management

1:30:51 level if that 10% is allocated across another thousand people?

1:30:56 You don't You don't give a[ __] Right?

1:30:57 Because no

1:30:58 Right?

1:30:58 Because no one's going to be complaining because as long as the profits go up,

1:31:02 their next bonus check will be bigger anyway.

1:31:04 to be so freaking monstrous said if they spread it across more people,

1:31:08 they could basically just bleed Samsung dry.

1:31:11 Yeah, that's wild.

1:31:13 Woo!

1:31:14 Wild.

1:31:16 Woo!

1:31:18 It's going to This This is going to be This is going to be an interesting one.

1:31:26 Yeah.

1:31:26 Um and you know, to to your point that I think you were getting into, again,

1:31:30 SK Hynix has nothing to lose here because

1:31:32 if the bonus quantity is derived from operating profit,

1:31:36 then when the bust inevitably happens

1:31:38 other end of this, it just auto scales down.

1:31:40 It auto scales down.

1:31:42 Cuz it's still 10% of annual operating profit,

1:31:44 but if they're just not profiting as much, then it just goes down.

1:31:47 So, like realistically,

1:31:50 the employees are winning super hard when the company's winning super hard.

1:31:52 And then when the company isn't super winning super hard,

1:31:54 it'll just it'll automatically kind of correct itself.

1:31:57 You don't have to have rough conversations with people

1:32:00 about how their wages are going to go down.

1:32:02 It's just Well, we sold less RAM, so

1:32:06 Yeah.

1:32:06 There it goes.

1:32:07 Dude, it's it's crazy the kind of scale that these companies work on.

1:32:11 Oh, yeah.

1:32:12 [snorts] Like the fact that they allocate only 10%

1:32:15 of their annual operating profit to to like performance bonuses.

1:32:20 That's like that's crazy.

1:32:22 Like ratio-wise, we are way above that for overall like

1:32:27 how much we allocate of our operating profit to to compensation.

1:32:31 And yet we can't

1:32:31 to compensation though.

1:32:33 No, it is.

1:32:33 It's the bonus.

1:32:33 It's just performance bonuses.

1:32:36 Oh, but the performance bonuses are like the bulk of their comp now.

1:32:39 It's It like it's it's crazy.

1:32:40 I was looking at the numbers.

1:32:41 Yeah, yeah.

1:32:42 So like the fact that the fact that they

1:32:45 have relatively only that amount allocated to employee compensation.

1:32:53 That's not true though.

1:32:54 That's what I'm saying.

1:32:55 Oh, it's a little more, basically is is what it amounts to.

1:32:58 So like that and a little more allocated.

1:33:02 And they're able to pay out base salary plus $477,000 per employee.

1:33:09 Like the amount of money that memory

1:33:13 manufacturing is making right now is flipping Yeah, yeah.

1:33:21 Flipping insane.

1:33:23 And sorry, sorry, sorry.

1:33:24 That last number was slightly wrong.

1:33:26 It's actually over 500,000 because that 477,000 was on top of 95,000 already.

1:33:31 Like It's It's These wafers, right?

1:33:39 If you've If you got the fab license to print money, Luke.

1:33:42 Yeah, imagine getting a like you're you're just out of school

1:33:45 and you get a job at one of these companies right now.

1:33:48 [laughter] [gasps]

1:33:50 That's it.

1:33:51 I'm moving to Seoul.

1:33:53 See you later.

1:33:54 Hey guys, I can do something.

1:33:56 I swear.

1:33:58 I I could I could I could do PR.

1:34:00 I could do PR for SK Hynix.

1:34:01 I could be I could be their video guy.

1:34:04 Uh okay, sure.

1:34:06 Yeah.

1:34:06 I don't know about PR.

1:34:09 [laughter] YEAH, NO.

1:34:11 YOU CAN do media.

1:34:14 [laughter] We could change our company.

1:34:14 Hey, we could do what that shoe company did.

1:34:17 We raise a bunch of money and we do we do Rod's idea, Linus Memory Group.

1:34:22 [laughter]

1:34:22 There you go.

1:34:23 Yeah.

1:34:23 There you go.

1:34:24 We'll we'll build a fab.

1:34:24 Just give me a small loan of a billion dollars

1:34:27 and then we'll we'll we'll go we'll build a memory fab.

1:34:29 We got this.

1:34:30 Well, isn't their whole thing they're not even building the fab?

1:34:32 They're just like acquiring the hardware for you.

1:34:34 So, if you're building a fab and you need a bunch of GPUs,

1:34:36 they will like get it for you.

1:34:39 company?

1:34:39 Yeah, I think that was their strategy.

1:34:40 I think they're building I think they want to build data

1:34:42 centers and then like just lease access to them like everyone else.

1:34:47 Okay.

1:34:46 Have they crashed yet?

1:34:48 Is that over?

1:34:48 Who knows?

1:34:50 Was it?

1:34:51 Hold on here.

1:34:52 They even called them Alberts.

1:34:53 Oh, yeah.

1:34:55 Oh, yeah.

1:34:55 Okay.

1:34:56 So, HERE WAS THE THING.

1:35:01 SO, YEAH, THEY SPIKED TO $17 and they're all the way down to seven now.

1:35:06 That's going to keep going.

1:35:08 That this is not financial advice, but that's going to that's going to keep

1:35:12 going in that direction in case anyone was wondering.

1:35:16 So, there's like one stock that makes any amount of sense on the stock market?

1:35:21 Yeah, I'm going for that's going to be the one [laughter]

1:35:24 that actually performs according to its its basic fundamentals.

1:35:28 I believe you.

1:35:30 Not financial advice.

1:35:31 Not financial advice.

1:35:32 advice.

1:35:33 Thank you very much.

1:35:34 Dan, don't think I don't see what you type in chat.

1:35:37 What is it apart from a bull?

1:35:38 It goes Linus is a bear confirmed.

1:35:40 Well, you're you're you're saying that it's going down.

1:35:42 Yeah, don't think I don't know what that means though.

1:35:46 [laughter] Just because I use a double entendre,

1:35:47 doesn't mean that it's not true financially.

1:35:52 [laughter] Not not financial advice.

1:35:53 Not employment advice either.

1:35:55 Call call your boss a bear.

1:36:01 [laughter] You're too skinny.

1:36:06 Dude, I weigh so much now.

1:36:07 God.

1:36:08 No, I definitely don't have the hair.

1:36:10 But I I I like weigh a lot now.

1:36:13 I'm 174 lb now.

1:36:15 Take creatine way more.

1:36:16 Take more crea- I don't want to weigh more than this.

1:36:18 Way more.

1:36:19 Way more.

1:36:19 No, I don't want to weigh more than this.

1:36:22 Mass maxing Linus.

1:36:23 No, I don't we don't need that.

1:36:25 Thighs as thick as anything.

1:36:28 Yeah.

1:36:28 Tree trunk Linus.

1:36:30 thighs bigger than her or not?

1:36:32 Bigger than Taylor Swift?

1:36:33 No, I don't Think of what you want to win this or no?

1:36:36 I don't It's not a competition.

1:36:37 Honestly, I That's quitter energy.

1:36:38 [laughter]

1:36:39 be.

1:36:39 It's not a competition.

1:36:41 Linus watermelon crushing tips.

1:36:45 Yeah.

1:36:45 That should be next year's April Fools is you relaunch

1:36:48 the only fans and it's just videos of you crushing watermelons.

1:36:52 Leggings for men.

1:36:56 LEGGINGS THAT HAVE LIKE PADDED like five foot four areas.

1:37:00 They they're like for normal people like they

1:37:03 would not fit around the waist at all.

1:37:05 We'd have to create like a low friction space age material between

1:37:09 the thighs so that they don't wear out from all the like what I was Yeah.

1:37:12 Yeah.

1:37:12 Yeah.

1:37:12 All right, I'm into it.

1:37:14 Oh, I thought you meant padding just so that when you're

1:37:15 crushing watermelons like you know it's it doesn't hurt, you know.

1:37:18 It wouldn't hurt though.

1:37:19 Oh, sorry.

1:37:20 I Okay, we were not I understand what you're saying now.

1:37:22 We were not talking about the same thing.

1:37:23 Yeah, okay.

1:37:23 You know you know what like elementary school you had those planners

1:37:26 with the cover that went like zip zip when you ran your nails over it?

1:37:29 Put one of those on in the inside of each thigh so that when you walk it's like

1:37:35 Dude, that would be the like most 90s parachute pants like vibe.

1:37:39 Put little 3Ds on them too.

1:37:41 Just your face going back and forth.

1:37:43 That'd be great.

1:37:45 Write that down.

1:37:45 Write that down.

1:37:46 No, we're not writing any of this down.

1:37:47 that much [laughter] though.

1:37:48 And then in a in a lot of cases you going to have to you lose it afterwards.

1:37:51 All right.

1:37:52 You should take it anyways.

1:37:52 All right.

1:37:53 All right.

1:37:53 You should take it.

1:37:53 You'll do better at badminton.

1:37:55 And brain.

1:37:55 also help your brain.

1:37:57 Not medical advice.

1:37:58 What are you saying?

1:37:59 Not medical advice.

1:38:01 Yeah.

1:38:03 It's actually true.

1:38:04 I don't.

1:38:04 But I have read some papers, but I still don't know.

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1:40:18 All right, Luke.

1:40:19 You want to pick one?

1:40:22 Sure.

1:40:22 Uh do do do Let's see here.

1:40:25 Pick the rap.

1:40:26 Pick the rap.

1:40:27 Oh, yeah, sure.

1:40:29 Yes.

1:40:28 Uh LTT rap.

1:40:30 A month ago, we posted a video about TikTok hacks and one

1:40:33 of the hacks was uh that we looked at was from user

1:40:37 raptech 26994 uh who made a rap about how to use

1:40:44 uh utilman to uh log in to a locked Windows user account.

1:40:48 Well, he's back and this time he has one about our merch.

1:40:52 Okay, I'm not going to play the whole thing just

1:40:54 because like I want you guys to watch the whole thing.

1:40:57 Yep.

1:40:57 So, I'm only going to play a little bit of it.

1:40:59 Have you seen this?

1:41:00 No, I haven't.

1:41:02 Oh.

1:41:02 But I'm giving him a view right now anyways.

1:41:04 Oh my god.

1:41:06 Okay, here we go.

1:41:06 You ready?

1:41:07 Yeah, see if this works.

1:41:09 Yes.

1:41:09 raptech PC You know what?

1:41:11 I love the style.

1:41:12 guilty of too much charisma Hey, Linus said I got too much charisma on site.

1:41:17 So, he sent [music] me all the [singing] gear.

1:41:19 Now, we going to do [laughter] it right.

1:41:22 and build another level.

1:41:24 No slipping, no slipping [music] every bit of his apparel.

1:41:27 Hey, every side [laughter] for whatever they running [clears throat]

1:41:36 [gasps and laughter] Is that amazing or what?

1:41:38 It's up on YouTube shorts.

1:41:39 Yeah, No Keys posting it in the chat like How Luke?

1:41:47 Do you think even with his help I could ever be cool?

1:41:51 [laughter] What Dan?

1:41:54 Say it.

1:41:55 somebody posted something funny in chat.

1:41:56 It's [laughter] I'm sure they did.

1:41:58 He might have enough aura that while you were with him and with his help Yeah.

1:42:06 be able to pull it off.

1:42:07 But I feel like once he's removed from the scenario you

1:42:09 are yet again not cool even if he received your help.

1:42:12 So basically I'm like

1:42:13 received his help.

1:42:14 With training I could be possy grade cool.

1:42:17 I think so.

1:42:18 Okay.

1:42:18 I think so.

1:42:21 [sighs] Well, that's fine.

1:42:22 I'm just glad that he likes the product and um I I am

1:42:28 I I am my life is richer for having watched this video earlier today.

1:42:33 [laughter] You guys got you guys got to hear the rest of it.

1:42:37 It it doesn't go downhill from there.

1:42:40 That's that's what I'll say.

1:42:42 Uh go go check it out.

1:42:44 Rap Tech 269 for [laughter] Speaking of hopefully not going downhill,

1:42:49 Apple names new chief executive to replace Tim Cook.

1:42:53 Apple has announced that Tim Cook will step down as CEO on September 1st,

1:42:56 2026 and John Ternus,

1:42:59 the company's senior vice president of hardware engineering since 2021,

1:43:04 will be taking over.

1:43:05 Cook will move to executive chairman.

1:43:08 The transition was unanimously approved by the board and follows

1:43:12 that uh what Apple describes as a long-term succession plan.

1:43:16 Uh Ternus has been at Apple since 2001, working under both Steve Jobs and Cook.

1:43:23 He's been the guy behind the hardware side of iPad, AirPods,

1:43:27 and recent iPhones uh and has taken on an increasingly

1:43:31 visible role at Apple events in recent years.

1:43:35 At 50, he's roughly the same age Cook was when he took over

1:43:39 in 2021 and roughly 1/10 of the age of an average world leader.

1:43:44 Under Cook's 15-year run,

1:43:46 Apple went from a $350 billion company to a $4 trillion one,

1:43:51 launched Apple Watch, AirPods, Apple Silicon,

1:43:53 Vision Pro, and built out the services business.

1:43:56 The biggest challenge waiting for Turnus is

1:43:59 widely seen as fixing Apple's struggling AI strategy,

1:44:03 uh which has lagged behind competitors.

1:44:06 Interesting.

1:44:08 I don't agree with that at all.

1:44:10 Yeah.

1:44:11 I think they're actually probably doing like the smartest move in the room,

1:44:16 but we'll see how it goes.

1:44:18 I I know a bunch of people have been saying like,

1:44:19 "Oh, oh, but if it like if if someone figures it out,

1:44:22 they're going to be so far behind." And it's like, I don't even think so.

1:44:26 With with the rate at which models are being open-sourced and

1:44:30 Honestly, how good Apple's hardware is for running it?

1:44:33 That, too.

1:44:34 And the rate at which people seem

1:44:36 to be very happy to just jump companies constantly.

1:44:39 Like the the the the relationship with AI

1:44:42 companies and their employees is very very tenuous.

1:44:45 They're just kind of bouncing around all over the place.

1:44:47 If Apple wants to turn it on, I think they absolutely can right now.

1:44:52 Um and I don't think they will right

1:44:55 now and I don't think they should right now.

1:44:57 I think they are wisely waiting out this insane storm of spending,

1:45:02 keeping their insane amounts of cash that they have,

1:45:05 um instead of just blowing it all.

1:45:08 And then when the timing is right,

1:45:10 maybe they'll step in or maybe they'll have a different solution.

1:45:14 Yeah.

1:45:13 Maybe they'll get paid money to to use someone

1:45:16 else's model as like an advertising thing or something.

1:45:19 they lost the you know, search engine war, browser war, whatever.

1:45:23 Like

1:45:24 Yeah.

1:45:24 Like maybe they'll find some way to make it work out in their favor, anyways.

1:45:27 That does tend to be the Apple way.

1:45:31 Yeah.

1:45:30 Don't be first, just be Apple.

1:45:33 Yeah.

1:45:33 So, I it doesn't feel like an error to me.

1:45:36 It also like it would feel like an error if Google wasn't doing it.

1:45:41 Yeah.

1:45:40 But, it does not feel like an error that Apple isn't doing it.

1:45:44 Yeah.

1:45:45 I[ __] with that.

1:45:47 Yeah.

1:45:47 Um we actually uh this was one of those ones where you

1:45:50 know how we've talked about needing to be more agile as a company

1:45:55 in our in our video production.

1:45:58 Yeah.

1:45:56 Uh this is one that um I I sent uh this Okay, hold on.

1:46:01 We're going to have to we're going to have to back up a little bit.

1:46:03 Um over on Floatplane, I was reading through one of uh the reading through

1:46:09 the comments on one of the exclusives that we did.

1:46:11 So, there's a video where uh we have this kind of series, I guess,

1:46:14 now cuz I've done it a couple times where I interview uh

1:46:19 other executives or other leaders here at the company and, you know,

1:46:22 sort of have a business meeting on

1:46:25 camera, just like Luke and I do on Wen Show every week for you guys,

1:46:28 but with different people.

1:46:30 And it was actually uh a commenter who was talking about how um

1:46:35 Oh, I like this comment.

1:46:36 I know what one you're talking about, actually.

1:46:38 You know, James and I talked about being kind of a big ship these days,

1:46:43 and and that being a real challenge for us because we've

1:46:46 lost some of the agility that we had in the past.

1:46:50 And Biohazard 4524 says to keep James' analogy

1:46:55 of them being a big ship that turns slowly,

1:46:57 um what I think they would love is to be more like an aircraft carrier.

1:47:02 Yes, the massive ship turns slowly,

1:47:03 but you can launch fast craft and helicopters to go try that new thing,

1:47:07 to be a platform to make quick things doable without going under.

1:47:10 And I actually immediately screenshotted this and posted this in the executive

1:47:15 chat and basically went this is what we need to do.

1:47:18 We can't stop being a bigger ship than YouTube channels

1:47:22 that are literally one person or two people or even five people.

1:47:26 We were more agile when when we were, you know, a dozen people.

1:47:31 And that's just inherent.

1:47:33 There's more There's There's more people who need to know.

1:47:37 Um there's more people who need to who need to, you know, approve things.

1:47:41 It's

1:47:41 I have had some conversations recently where we'll we'll talk about like,

1:47:45 "Okay, we could do XYZ thing." And the response will be like, "Yeah,

1:47:48 but then we're going to have to do

1:47:50 this and that and this and that and this and that." And I've

1:47:54 I've been trying out a response of just like,

1:47:56 "What if we just didn't?" And it's

1:47:59 it's kind of fun watching people's brain explode.

1:48:02 And so, um so basically I was like, "Okay,

1:48:06 but we have to find a way to be more agile, to get things done quickly,

1:48:12 and and circumvent the process when it's necessary." And uh this Tim Cook

1:48:18 retirement announcement is actually something that we

1:48:21 we went aircraft carrier mode on.

1:48:23 So, we we kept the ship going in the direction that it's going,

1:48:28 and a small team of one of the relatively new writers uh on the team,

1:48:33 uh his name's Shawn,

1:48:35 and he put together like sort of some key milestones from uh Cook's

1:48:39 career and like kind of a draft of what a script might look like.

1:48:43 And then I I sat on the plane on the way back from the event earlier this week,

1:48:48 and I banged out a script.

1:48:50 We shot it the morning I got back in.

1:48:52 It was edited today.

1:48:53 It's I'm going to review it tonight, and it goes up I think this weekend.

1:48:57 Um and so we're we need to start doing a better job of that.

1:49:02 And the only way to start doing a better job

1:49:04 of it is to start doing a better job of it.

1:49:07 Just[ __] do it.

1:49:09 And so we're um we're putting it in action already,

1:49:12 and I just I This was just such a great example.

1:49:15 I don't remember how we got on this topic even,

1:49:16 but this was such a great example of the importance

1:49:19 of community feedback in what we're doing and how

1:49:23 dialed in and it's not just me who's who's

1:49:25 reading this stuff and who's engaging with you guys.

1:49:29 It's It's lots of people here at the company who

1:49:32 just care and just want to make a better product.

1:49:34 Whether that product is a shirt or whether that product is

1:49:38 a video or whether it's a streaming platform or whether it's hey,

1:49:41 why don't we transition into another topic here and let's have

1:49:44 a look at some of the sick content that's been posted on lttlabs.com.

1:49:49 Ah, yeah.

1:49:50 Check this out.

1:49:51 Dude, Nick and Steven working on some pretty sick freaking content.

1:49:57 This is I bought

1:49:59 This is such an interesting question that when Intel announced this, I was like,

1:50:04 oh yeah, I wonder how much this helps.

1:50:06 I wish someone would like look into that.

1:50:09 And then little did I know

1:50:11 ask us.

1:50:12 Little did I know somebody was doing it and that somebody was apparently me.

1:50:17 Thank you labs team.

1:50:19 Um So the the long and short of it is that Intel has some some tools that can

1:50:27 that can help their especially their new Core Ultra

1:50:30 200 series processors perform apparently quite a bit better.

1:50:36 And so there's there's actually a few different optimizations.

1:50:39 Intel Extreme Tuning Utility or XTU, Intel Application Optimizer,

1:50:43 and then the new Intel Binary Optimization Tool or I bought.

1:50:48 And pretty much you go in here, you tweak all your stuff,

1:50:53 they show you like how to enable it, and then boom.

1:50:57 Here is the improvement in performance that you

1:50:59 can get with a 200 S series processor.

1:51:02 So these are the the newer ones with boost off and with boost on.

1:51:08 What exact chip did we use is the test bench but test bench.

1:51:11 Where is it?

1:51:14 Yeah, I can't remember off the top of my head either.

1:51:16 Uh changes the PL1 profiles.

1:51:18 It Which chip is it?

1:51:19 Okay, well, this is something we might have uh overlooked a little bit.

1:51:22 Oh, no, no, no, here it is.

1:51:23 Here it is.

1:51:24 So, with the 285K Oh, no, sorry, this is uh not the new plus one.

1:51:27 So, this is the older um 285K, which gets a pretty substantial boost actually

1:51:35 across a pretty wide variety of games,

1:51:38 anywhere from like 2.5% to over 4%.

1:51:42 And that's in 1% lows.

1:51:45 So, that's pretty cool.

1:51:46 And then with the new plus, the new 270K plus, we actually got way less.

1:51:53 Yeah.

1:51:52 That is pretty fascinating.

1:51:55 So, yeah, guys, go check out that article.

1:51:57 And and that's just one of the uh of the cool things that went up this week.

1:52:03 Uh all right, did this did the CMF 20361 go up not this week?

1:52:07 Is Oh, they must have just I I must have just come across it.

1:52:09 No, no, no.

1:52:10 Was that That one was 2 weeks ago.

1:52:11 Oh, I thought you were talking about the uh the phone brightness one.

1:52:14 No, no, no, that one we talked about last week,

1:52:16 but this one this one uh slipped my notice.

1:52:19 So, this is talking about like color on Apple's new displays.

1:52:22 Really, really, really cool article as well.

1:52:23 I didn't see it until this week.

1:52:25 So, I'm I'm getting to the point, man,

1:52:26 where I just like I'm like chilling and waiting

1:52:30 for LTT Labs to release a new article.

1:52:32 I'm like, "Oh, that's interesting." that you've been I find them on Reddit.

1:52:36 without uh-huh.

1:52:39 [laughter] No one will ever go to the damn website by itself.

1:52:41 No, they will.

1:52:42 They will.

1:52:42 Be optimistic, Luke.

1:52:44 Hey, hey, you got to have Okay, we still I have to I have to point this out.

1:52:48 You have to understand, we still have people asking us like,

1:52:51 "When are you guys going to have an RSS feed?" It's It's right here.

1:52:56 It's It's right here.

1:52:58 It's also It's also It's also right here.

1:53:04 It's also a just Hold on, just in case just in case.

1:53:08 Hold on, I got to go to the bottom.

1:53:09 It's It's also right here.

1:53:13 And if you click on here, it's everywhere.

1:53:15 It's We can't We can't put it in more play We get People go

1:53:20 out of their way to email us asking when we're going to have these things,

1:53:27 and they're Please use them.

1:53:30 Yeah, yeah, use them.

1:53:31 It's good It's good stuff.

1:53:32 Come on.

1:53:33 Heck, yeah.

1:53:34 Way to go, LMG Labs.

1:53:35 Love to see it.

1:53:37 All right.

1:53:38 What else we got?

1:53:39 Oh, this is cool.

1:53:42 Uh I I actually Hmm.

1:53:44 Man, I'm on the fence now,

1:53:45 cuz I knew you'd be excited about that whole bringing bringing

1:53:49 uh cutting-edge models on prem uh with like the Gemini hardware appliance.

1:53:55 Um but I can also see why you picked this one for one of your headlines.

1:53:59 YouTube is opening up its AI-powered

1:54:02 likeness detection tool to all of Hollywood.

1:54:05 Actors, musicians, athletes,

1:54:07 and the talent agencies and management

1:54:09 companies that represent them will be able

1:54:11 to use this tool that works kind of like Content ID, except for faces.

1:54:16 Scanning the platform for AI-generated deepfakes of enrolled individuals,

1:54:21 and then letting them review and request removal.

1:54:24 It is free, opt-in, and works even if the person doesn't have a YouTube channel.

1:54:30 The tool's been in a phased rollout since actually late 2024,

1:54:33 starting with CAA clients, and then expanding to about 5,000 last fall,

1:54:37 then to politicians and to journalists in March.

1:54:40 The entertainment industry is the biggest expansion yet,

1:54:42 with CAA, UTA, WME, and Untitled Management already on board.

1:54:48 YouTube says that enrollment data is only used for detection,

1:54:51 and is not used to train Google's AI models.

1:54:55 Flagged videos are reviewed individually, and content that falls under parody,

1:54:58 satire, or commentary may stay up.

1:55:01 The expansion comes after Sora after the Sora launch last fall

1:55:04 flooded the internet with deep fakes of celebrities and dead public figures,

1:55:07 making the need for this kind of tool kind of hard to argue against.

1:55:12 It's cool that YouTube's doing it.

1:55:14 That's that's sweet.

1:55:15 And for free, that's awesome.

1:55:17 YouTube is not perfect.

1:55:19 I call them out in public and in private on a pretty regular basis.

1:55:25 However, however, however.

1:55:29 Let's look at all the other large video platforms.

1:55:34 I I know I've said it on WAN Show before, but this is what I keep going back to.

1:55:38 TikTok.

1:55:38 Meta.

1:55:40 Dude, relatively speaking,

1:55:44 they're awesome.

1:55:45 They've been

1:55:46 a company to be on top as well, for as long as not not only around,

1:55:52 but as big and on top for as long as they have been, I am very surprised.

1:55:59 They don't seem way worse and way more corrupt than they are.

1:56:03 Think about how Think about how often Big Tech changes the deal.

1:56:12 Pray I don't alter it any further.

1:56:14 Yeah.

1:56:15 And with users

1:56:16 With users, I think there's there's a pretty strong argument to be

1:56:19 made that they they have changed the deal in pretty substantial ways.

1:56:24 Some of those changes, in my opinion,

1:56:26 come with the reality of just not being like

1:56:28 VC-funded anymore and needing to run a profitable business model.

1:56:33 I can't I can't blame them for that.

1:56:34 You got You got to eat.

1:56:36 Um but in terms of the way

1:56:39 that they've engaged with the creators on their platform,

1:56:42 the ones who give it the value,

1:56:43 the way that they have consistently stuck with that profit share model is nuts.

1:56:53 Yeah.

1:56:52 Literally, even seeing even seeing how the model works,

1:56:56 whether we're talking Vine,

1:56:58 whether we're talking TikTok or Meta, no matter who it is,

1:57:02 even seeing that obvious playbook that has worked so well,

1:57:07 uh YouTube calls it they call it a flywheel, right?

1:57:10 The flywheel spins, the creators create amazing

1:57:13 content which benefits YouTube, which makes money,

1:57:15 which goes to creators who spend it on content, who make better content.

1:57:17 That flywheel that YouTube relies on to continue elevating

1:57:22 the level of content on it and attracting creators to it.

1:57:27 It's in public.

1:57:28 It's plain for everyone to see.

1:57:31 And nobody else can just they can't do it.

1:57:36 They can't take out their wallet and just share the revenue.

1:57:40 of funny because by by by many accounts,

1:57:44 it's like actually cheaper and easier than doing something

1:57:48 like Netflix where you have to make the content yourself.

1:57:50 Uh but just no one else will do it.

1:57:52 But I I I I still maintain like

1:57:56 YouTube is really cool considering what it could be.

1:58:00 And there's some stuff that sucks.

1:58:02 I'm still salty about the dislike button

1:58:04 and and shorts have been very frustrating for me.

1:58:06 Although I do have an interesting update.

1:58:09 I heard on the open source creator Discord

1:58:11 a few people got access to the app update.

1:58:15 And it does what we were hoping it would do.

1:58:18 When you set your shorts limit to zero minutes,

1:58:21 it removes shorts entirely from your like main page.

1:58:26 But if you go to a creator, you can still find the shorts.

1:58:29 And that that is completely fine in my mind.

1:58:32 Uh I still don't like that if you do manually go find some shorts,

1:58:37 uh it's incredibly easy to bypass your zero minute limit.

1:58:41 Um but the fact that it kind of removes it from there is cool.

1:58:45 And no

1:58:47 the Oh, nice.

1:58:48 Yeah.

1:58:48 Yeah, let's check it out.

1:58:49 Uh okay.

1:58:50 So, I have it now.

1:58:52 Shorts feed limit 0 minutes.

1:58:55 So I'm going to I'm going to close the app.

1:59:00 Yeah.

1:58:59 And then I'm going to I'll I'll log into I'll log into my account.

1:59:03 Actually no, I'll I'll stay on the LTT account I guess.

1:59:06 I saw shorts.

1:59:07 Okay, so wait.

1:59:09 Yeah, I see shorts immediately.

1:59:11 No, they're gone.

1:59:12 They're they're gone.

1:59:13 Wait.

1:59:13 Scroll down.

1:59:14 No, that's play wait, YouTube playables.

1:59:16 Oh, for crying out loud.

1:59:17 Can I get rid of these?

1:59:18 Not interested.

1:59:18 Okay.

1:59:25 Yeah, okay.

1:59:25 Yeah, no shorts.

1:59:26 Holy bananas.

1:59:29 Sweet.

1:59:28 Top news.

1:59:32 Holy bananas, dude.

1:59:37 That's crazy.

1:59:38 No shorts.

1:59:39 Also, this is a this is a quality recommendation.

1:59:44 You're going to get the [laughter]

1:59:52 How is that How is that in my recommendations right now?

1:59:56 Fantastic.

1:59:57 Um It was yeah.

1:59:59 That's a that's a throwback for sure.