Critique Welcome: Winter IFR Decision-Making in a Non-FIKI Airplane
FlightChops
0:01 So, we did pick up some ice right in the middle of my lens.
0:05 Unexpected use case for the EX5.
0:08 Icing detector.
0:11 This is the debrief of a flight where I was facing two threats.
0:14 Potential icing risk and I'm heading towards some
0:17 of the scariest airspace I've ever been near.
0:20 This is like hilarious.
0:24 I mean, how do you even parse that?
0:27 I made a small mistake during the arrival which
0:29 I'll share and I want to add a whole bunch
0:31 more context regarding the icing because the short version
0:34 of this I put up on Instagram understandably generated some comments.
0:38 I don't need to go through that when there's icing as it is.
0:41 I'm going to touch it looks like so another awesome
0:44 use case of the instrument rating where yeah it's not beautiful
0:47 but it's doable but when you see icing in a forecast
0:51 and then there's pyabs for icing it's scary in a non-picky airplane.
0:56 It's all about mitigating risk.
0:58 That's what we're doing here.
1:00 [music] This is the most ice I'd ever picked up on the RV14.
1:06 And when I saw what I had collected after climbing through this thin layer,
1:10 I grabbed my iPhone just to kind of document what I was seeing.
1:13 And I was also inspired to roll the cameras that I
1:15 had standing by for the later part of this flight,
1:17 arriving into the Washington DC,
1:20 which was honestly the part of this flight I was most worried about.
1:23 But I'm glad I captured this, too.
1:24 All right.
1:25 Check, check, check.
1:26 1 2 3.
1:28 In terms of my planning and briefing,
1:30 here's the relevant section of the weather for both my departure and my arrival.
1:33 I knew I was not going to have any issues,
1:35 but I was aware of some challenges that I'd
1:37 face on the initial part of the route.
1:39 Winter IFR flying isn't always black and white,
1:42 but the other day I was inspired to capture this information,
1:44 which was definitely an absolute no-go day.
1:47 In Canada, we've got a product called the graphical area forecast.
1:50 This was Boxing Day 2025.
1:52 absolute garbage with severe icing from the surface to 4,000.
1:55 However, for this flight on October 23rd,
1:57 it was a non-issue in terms of weather,
1:59 and the icing forecast showed nothing for the portion
2:01 of my route north of the border.
2:03 The Canadian forecast said no ice, but the American forecast.
2:08 We do have a Sigma out here.
2:11 This was about a 2-hour flight from Toronto down into Virginia.
2:14 And normally I would clear customs at Buffalo,
2:17 which is quite close to the border,
2:18 so that I'm free to divert as needed once I'm in American airspace.
2:22 But this particular day, there was a big system just south of the border.
2:25 That's what you're looking at.
2:26 And I did not want to be low in that area, shoot an approach,
2:30 wait to clear customs, and then have to climb back through it to get on my way.
2:33 So my plan was to get as high as possible, as quickly as possible from Toronto,
2:38 and then clear customs much closer to my destination.
2:40 So I'm on present heading just to avoid that weather.
2:43 And because the vectors took me so far off my filed track,
2:46 the next leg in forflight never activated automatically,
2:49 and I forgot to do it manually.
2:50 So my ETA in forflight is going to continue
2:52 to be wrong for the rest of this video.
2:54 So if I need to descend, I know the ceiling isn't bad out there,
2:58 so I'll descend if I need to.
3:00 But this is the way I tend to use the iPad for flights like this.
3:03 It's about situational awareness and briefing as opposed
3:05 to focusing on my track and time on route.
3:07 So, we got icing pirapp 45 minutes ago, but as of now,
3:13 Charlie Foxy Golf Alpha advis correct destination.
3:16 Uh, not yet.
3:16 Still on present heading of 1 13 0.
3:21 It's worth mentioning here, some pilots may have seen an exchange like
3:24 that as pressure from ATC to get on course.
3:27 But ATC is there to help and they just need to know what you're doing.
3:31 Yeah, I'll be close to going direct,
3:32 but I I don't need to go through that when there's icing.
3:35 As it is, I'm going to touch it.
3:37 Looks like so it's -4°.
3:39 I'm at 7,000.
3:42 Yeah.
3:42 So I'm in a sigment for moderate icing.
3:45 So let's see what happens here.
3:47 If I need to descend, I will descend.
3:50 It's really a question of being invisible
3:52 moisture at the same time as icing conditions.
3:55 Foxy Golf Alpha.
3:56 Just for my planning purposes,
3:57 how much further do you want to go on that 130 heading?
4:00 Looks like maybe 10 miles.
4:01 Fox Alpha.
4:03 This footage is interesting to look at later because at the time
4:06 I thought I could see the ice crystals bouncing off,
4:08 so I didn't think I was picking anything up,
4:10 but you can see there is some accretion.
4:12 Regardless, I was working to stay out of visible moisture.
4:15 The issue is that the weather to my right
4:17 there has tops that are far exceeding my current altitude,
4:20 so I don't want to get into it.
4:23 10 miles 603.
4:24 We got a little bit of light ice here.
4:26 Just do it.
4:28 63.
4:28 Roger.
4:29 Maintain 4,000.
4:30 4,000 flight 63.
4:32 Yeah.
4:32 So, I really kind of want to stay out
4:34 of the visible moisture in this kind of situation.
4:36 The ice has melted off the camera, so that's nice.
4:39 So, I knew I had outs,
4:40 but it was still quite sobering to see that much ice on the airplane.
4:43 I shared a little teaser of this on Instagram,
4:45 which got thousands of likes and a bunch of engagement.
4:48 Obviously, it was controversial.
4:50 It's difficult to add context on a 1 minute video.
4:53 And I had comments ranging from, "This is no big deal.
4:55 Ice is to be expected in IFR flying
4:57 in the winter to the FAA should pull your license."
4:59 and a bunch of people that were frustrated to see
5:01 me sharing this type of stuff as a bad example, which I take very seriously.
5:05 So, I'm going to add as much context as I can here
5:07 in this long episode in terms of the planning and my thought process on route.
5:11 Oh, yeah.
5:11 We're just in the tops at -4 Celsius.
5:14 Got my uh face face camo just cuz I was
5:18 getting my face cooked by the sun out here on top.
5:23 All right, so I'm now on course and uh
5:26 occurred to me that I had my Canadian chart up.
5:28 So putting the US chart makes it a lot easier to see that icing sign.
5:32 So it was kind of blending into the black before.
5:34 And what's cool is like this guy down here just gave a nice pyrip of no icing.
5:40 So that's kind of nice to know.
5:43 So I shouldn't have a problem getting in where I'm going.
5:45 And besides the icing, Sigmat is over down there.
5:49 But you know, this guy 32 minutes ago reported light rhyme.
5:54 And I'm just looking at my ice meter out here.
5:57 I do see some ice on my wing tip right there, but that's not bad.
6:02 So, yeah, that's kind of neat unexpected use case.
6:05 And also, just looking at it, I can see what ice builds up.
6:08 Earlier, there was some on the lens, but it's gone now.
6:10 So, very cool.
6:12 Yeah.
6:12 So, it's all about having as much information as you possibly can.
6:17 So, the rest of the way it's just the turbulence sigment.
6:22 And yeah, so I just kind of did the old vectors
6:24 to get around that weather and stayed above it pretty much.
6:28 So to review, I basically had three outs.
6:30 I could climb above into the sunny clear air to let sublimation do its thing,
6:33 which is largely what I did,
6:35 or descend into warmer air below the freezing level,
6:38 which was at about 5,000, or head east where there wasn't any weather.
6:42 Just touching the tops here, still in the icing big.
6:48 Uh might be in it a little bit there shortly.
6:54 And it's nice to see this guy reporting no ice in the descent,
7:00 but ice at the tops is usually the risk.
7:03 So, let's see.
7:04 So, ISO meter is showing nothing out there yet,
7:08 but let's see what happens in the tops here.
7:11 Okay, but this is why I love flying with this much information.
7:14 Like I uh had a lot of good situational awareness
7:16 with the icing Sigmmet and the weather that I went around.
7:22 I did pick up a little bit out here,
7:25 but I had lots of outs, so I wasn't worried about it.
7:30 Definitely wasn't something worth canceling the trip over.
7:33 So, at this point, I was fairly confident threat number one,
7:36 the icing risk, was behind me.
7:37 So, it was time to start thinking about threat number two.
7:40 But not even seeing any on the canopy, so that's good.
7:44 I'm heading towards some of the scariest airspace I've ever been near.
7:48 This is like hilarious.
7:52 I mean, how do you even parse that?
7:56 Anyway, uh I did a briefing with a local Pete Mine who confirmed
8:02 that on a flight plan into the destination I'm going to, it's not a problem,
8:07 but I'm not going deeper into that.
8:08 Cifra, that's for sure.
8:10 With that in mind, check out this scary poster.
8:12 that's beside the door heading out of the FBO to the ramp at Leburg.
8:16 I met a friendly instructor there who helped me make sure I didn't get
8:19 this wrong when I departed after clearing
8:21 customs before heading to my final destination.
8:24 And then the contest is happening out here at Warrington.
8:28 I was just looking at my approach options into here and uh they
8:34 only have approaches for 17 which makes sense because they don't [snorts] want
8:41 you they don't want to fly an approach up in there in the cifro
8:45 I guess they didn't want to put way points up in there
8:47 so that's the only option but I'm not going to probably need it
8:51 I'm pretty much sure I'm not going to need it because the weather
8:54 is looking great hotel kilo New York center roger Williamsport Port alter
8:58 2992 when you get the weather and what kind of approach you like.
9:02 So we're just about to exit the icing Sigat might pick up a little
9:06 bit at the edge there cuz I will be back in the tops.
9:09 Yeah, it's been a good smooth trip so far.
9:12 A little bit nerve-wracking at the beginning
9:15 which I expected but my plan worked.
9:19 Great situational awareness with four flight and 06M aviation weather data.
9:24 So I'm looking at imagery that's 5 minutes old.
9:28 But I'm not going to be threading the needle with any radar, so I'm good there.
9:32 Okay, so we are going to exit the icing segment in a second here.
9:37 But I mean, I'm definitely still in icing conditions.
9:40 I got -4 Celsius outside.
9:42 I'm in the tops.
9:43 And then maybe what I could do is submit a pyre after.
9:47 I can't send a pyrep from this setup
9:49 because I don't have transmission, but I can receive.
9:51 But I wonder if I give ATC1 if it'll show up in here.
9:54 I'll try it.
9:56 and approaches Fox Trot Charlie Golf Alpha request.
10:00 Go ahead.
10:01 Are you interested in icing Pyre?
10:04 Sure.
10:03 Okay.
10:04 Sign 7,000 just in the tops and there's no ice up here.
10:07 Uh temperature is- 4 Celsius.
10:12 Things were going to get busy real soon
10:13 here as I was approaching the Washington DC cifra.
10:16 So I forgot to check back to see if my pyup
10:19 made it into the system if that controller filed it.
10:22 All right.
10:22 So, safe to say that that is good.
10:25 I think we're good the rest of the way.
10:26 It's just a beautiful cloud surfing coming up.
10:29 Charlie Fox, Charlie Golf Alpha, contact Harrisburg approach 124.1.
10:34 124.1.
10:34 Charlie Golf Alpha.
10:36 So, I'll skip the next couple handoffs here
10:38 and get right to working with Ptoic approach.
10:41 Approach.
10:42 It's Canadian Fox Charlie Golf Alpha level 8,000.
10:46 Canadian Charlie Fox Charlie Golf Alpha approach.
10:49 Delt 299.
10:50 and verify the weather information at Leburg.
10:53 Uh yeah, I've got the weather for Leburg and I'm just looking
10:55 at the uh RNA 17 to get down and then I'll fly visually in there.
11:02 Try Foxy Golf Alpha.
11:04 Roger.
11:04 Expect the RNAV to circle runway 35.
11:09 Affirmative.
11:09 We'll expect the RNV 7 to circle 35.
11:11 Fox try alpha.
11:14 I guess that's the way I should have said that.
11:16 Jaden Charlie Fox Charlie Golf Alpha clear direct cauus maintain 5000
11:23 clear direct caucus set to maintain 5000 Charlie alpha
11:26 Cardinal 892 contact Johntown approach 121.2 too.
11:30 So things are about to get real.
11:32 I'm going to get quiet for the rest of this flight
11:34 because I do not want to screw up entering this airspace.
11:38 Canadian Charlie Fox Golf Alpha reset transponder squawk 5627.
11:44 5627 Fox friendly 246.
11:48 Traffic's 11:00 one mile southwest heavy 767 at one,000.
11:54 And before we get to the arrival and a little
11:56 bit of a mistake that I made getting there,
11:57 I just want to review this aspect of what is known icing.
12:01 Obviously, a lot of the comments on that Instagram post were pretty spicy,
12:05 but I did do my homework on this.
12:06 There's an FAA interpretation circular, I guess.
12:09 I'm not sure exactly what to call that, but you can go
12:11 ahead and pause this or source the document to review in detail.
12:16 United [bell] 261 heavy.
12:17 Idea best to cross mode at 5,000 to descend via
12:24 thank you beauty [bell] for the descent 5,000 did not
12:36 know the best way to word that Charlie Fox Golf
12:41 Alpha maintain 4,000 maintain 4,000 fox alpha All right, gas.
12:59 Pull this tank under carriage is down.
13:07 Mixture not going to do it well.
13:09 Bump in a little bit more, but rich later.
13:11 Prop to go.
13:12 Switches.
13:14 Fuel pump to go.
13:16 Leave the pedo heat on for the rest of the flight.
13:21 [bell] 200 remaining descending 4,000.
13:27 Fox Charlie Golf Alpha approaches 126.65.
13:31 Okay, we're at 2665 Charlie.
13:40 The approach is Foxtrot Charlie Golf Alpha level 4,000.
13:43 Charlie Fox Charlie golf out approach welcome the delta setters
13:47 2 niner niner niner you're about 7 milesi from cacus
13:51 cross cacus at 3000 cleared for the arnav runway
13:54 17 circle to land 35 approach leber okay with cross
13:59 cacus at 3000 cleared for the correction arv 17
14:04 and I'll be circling for 35 uh into leburg fox
14:10 think I said clear for the approach but now
14:12 we'll put into approach modes and go down to three.
14:18 315 tango syrup departure.
14:20 You are rad contact.
14:21 Climb and maintain 111,000.
14:23 Proceed direct to Hager.
14:26 Oh jeez, that was a good one.
14:31 Stand below 156.
14:37 3520.
14:41 That TFR warning reminded me that I should probably start
14:44 an iPad capture for the sake of the debrief just in case.
14:47 It's got the TFR warning.
14:48 Let's send this to the map.
14:54 Yeah, there's 3000 Leber is 1275.
15:09 So, this is an interesting debrief point.
15:11 I'm going to get tripped up by a little detail on the plate for Leburg.
15:15 Monitor push.
15:17 I'd reviewed the AFD during pre-flight,
15:19 but what was fresh in my mind is what I saw on the plate.
15:22 So, I'm monitoring the approach frequency while broadcasting
15:25 my intentions on what I think is a CATA frequency.
15:28 Leber traffic alpha is the 10 mile final runway 17 on the ARNAV.
15:34 I'll switch over to the left pattern for 35 and fit in with any VFR traffic.
15:38 in Leburg Expecting the field in 5 minutes.
15:42 Fox Charlie Golf Alpha lead for Roger report Dan Mo inbound and plane
15:47 from plan to circle for left traffic climb and maintain one 10,000
15:54 try to go alpha 0 10,000 maintain 250 ex 844.
16:00 Okay.
16:00 So, he didn't Anyway, it said Cap, but I thought that was 844.
16:04 Contact approach on 118.95.
16:07 1895.
16:08 Check in with the speed if you would.
16:09 Have a good afternoon.
16:13 1895.
16:11 We'll check 844.
16:16 Charlie Fox, Charlie Golf Alpha, contact Leburg tower 127.5.
16:22 Over the tower, Fox alpha.
16:25 Oh, that got me tripped up there.
16:28 and tower.
16:28 It's Fox Cha.
16:30 Yeah, sorry about that.
16:30 I was making that like a caff call,
16:32 but I am now cleared for the uh RNF 17 and I'm with you.
16:36 Fox Alpha Charlie Fox Golf Alpha.
16:38 Roger.
16:39 And like I said, just report Dan Mo for the circle.
16:43 Okay, we'll dam for the circling Fox Alpha.
16:48 Goofy.
16:50 [bell] Like I was thinking that I had to zoom in to see that.
16:55 I've never seen it where it says CAF in big letters,
16:57 [snorts] tower in small letters.
16:59 Anyways, he wants me to report in Dan Mo.
17:03 Field is in sight and tower is Fox Alpha at Dan Mo.
17:08 Going to break it off for the circling now for uh 35 Fox Alpha.
17:12 Charlie Golf Alpha.
17:13 Roger.
17:13 If you want to fly all the way
17:14 towards the runway before you circle, that's fine.
17:16 Also, your choice.
17:17 I've got no traffic right now.
17:19 And the winds are 340 at 1, gust 17, runway 35.
17:23 You're clear to land.
17:24 Okay, clear land 35 and I'll stay on runway heading
17:27 for a little bit longer before I move over to the left downwind.
17:29 Fox traffic center carriage mixture prop to go switches come
17:36 off now I'm secure and I'm going over the downwind
17:45 223 turn left direct to pooch climb and maintain one
17:49 10,000 left direct to pooch one 10,000 223 stop monitoring Disregard.
18:02 That was the system mode dropping from approach mode to nav
18:05 mode as I got to the mist approach way point.
18:08 And I'm about to select one notch of flaps.
18:11 But the system is programmed to not allow me to drop
18:13 flaps if I'm over my flap speed, which is 100 knots.
18:16 But I will catch that.
18:18 Gas undercarriage mixture prop switch is I'm secure.
18:22 And I'm just about to notice my flaps didn't go down.
18:25 So I am reselecting one notch.
18:26 One notch selected coming down.
18:30 Ladybug in the windshield.
18:32 How you doing, Michael?
18:34 [music] You're with me.
18:39 Full flap selected.
18:46 500 and we check uh 330 at [music] 15.
18:56 Thanks.
19:24 [music] Oh, come on, Birdie.
19:35 Thanks for watching if you made it to [music] the end.
19:36 And I'm glad to have shared this debrief and I'm happy
19:38 I didn't cancel this flight because the trip was definitely worth doing.
19:42 Charlie Fox Charlie Golf Alpha the next right on Alpha [music]
19:46 and I take it you're going to the main ramp for tune.
19:49 Okay.
19:49 Yeah.
19:49 For customs.
19:50 Yeah.
19:51 Alpha next right.
19:52 In an upcoming episode I'll share some details
19:54 about the contest that I was flying to.
19:56 And until then keep your flight shop sharp.
19:58 Someone may be coming out to the park.
20:00 I'm not really sure.
20:01 Just you can go ahead once you turn onto that ramp.
20:03 Give them a call on 131.2 to and they should tell you where to go.
20:06 Okay.
20:06 Thanks, TA.
20:08 Nice looking plane.
20:09 Thank you.