Live at SXSW 2026: Can They Convince Marques to Shoot 24fps?
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0:17 That's right.
0:18 No tripping this year.
0:22 All right, what's going on people of South by Southwest?
0:23 Good morning.
0:25 Good morning.
0:26 Yeah, yeah.
0:26 Nice.
0:26 Nice energy.
0:27 All right, so we are we are here
0:30 to have our second ever live recording of our podcast, The Waveform Podcast.
0:36 Uh some of you may already know us.
0:38 To those of you who have seen us before, hi.
0:40 If you don't already know us,
0:41 The Waveform Podcast is uh tech chat show about the stories of the week,
0:46 about YouTube, about gadgets, and sort of anything in between.
0:50 Uh we're hosts.
0:51 I'm Marques.
0:52 I'm Andrew.
0:52 And I'm David.
0:54 And uh before we jump in, I actually want to ask two things of you guys.
0:58 We got about an hour up here today with you,
1:00 and we want to make this a fun interactive type of podcast
1:03 instead of just a normal episode of us chatting with each other.
1:06 Um so we have And uh Ellis and Adam are actually Where are they?
1:11 They're in here somewhere.
1:11 Yeah, they're over here.
1:13 Uh at the end of the show or somewhere in the middle,
1:15 they're going to roam around with microphones
1:17 and ask for questions from you guys.
1:20 So start thinking now about what sorts of questions you want to ask us about
1:24 tech or YouTube or being a creator or gadgets or anything that's in the news.
1:28 And the other thing is I'm giving you
1:30 guys permission right now to take out your phones
1:33 and open up your web browser and go
1:35 to waveformsurvey.com and answer those couple of questions real quick.
1:41 And what we're going to do is at the end,
1:43 we're going to have some trivia questions where we try
1:45 to figure out what you guys said on that survey.
1:48 So I'll give you guys 15 20 seconds right
1:50 now to open up waveformsurvey.com and answer those quick questions.
1:56 You don't even have to think about the answers.
1:57 Just blitz through them.
1:58 What you think is the I think one of them is who has the best fashion.
2:02 Uh it's kind of just all across the board,
2:04 but we're going to try to answer those at the end.
2:05 So, waveformsurvey.com.
2:07 Uh and then, yeah, we can just sort of jump right in.
2:10 What do you guys want to start with?
2:12 Yeah, I have a couple things we can
2:13 start with real quick before we get to there.
2:15 I think um you know, we always joke about how things come out on Thursday.
2:19 Yeah.
2:20 So, being a Friday today as we're recording, we do get to talk about one thing,
2:24 which is the Rivian R2 prices and timelines got announced.
2:27 Which is kind of fun because if anyone's here, Rivian is also here.
2:29 I think they're a very large Yeah.
2:33 Yeah.
2:34 Um so, you can go check out the R2 stuff later if you want,
2:36 but um I figured we'd go over prices and uh
2:41 trims and most importantly when they're projected to be released.
2:45 Can I just set the stage for why we're getting the prices now?
2:48 So, I I've already tested and reviewed the R2,
2:52 which I think is probably their it's
2:54 arguably their most important vehicle, right?
2:56 As we were testing it, we all knew uh How long ago did you test it?
3:00 This was probably 3 weeks, 3 4 weeks ago.
3:02 Okay.
3:02 And we're all testing it,
3:03 and everyone sort of knows Rivian R2 is their lower-priced version of an SUV.
3:08 It's their Model Y fighter.
3:10 And everyone knows that the starting price is going to be $45,000.
3:13 But we also all know that tech companies do
3:15 this thing where they give reviewers the highest spec trim,
3:19 best possible version of the thing.
3:21 This is in phones, computers, and iPhones 17E with a 900 on it.
3:25 16E with the most storage.
3:27 So, we all know we're driving the dual motor performance, nice trim interior.
3:32 And we had a great time.
3:34 It was a super capable vehicle,
3:35 but we know we're not driving the $45,000 version.
3:38 So, now we're finding out how much did the version that I tested cost?
3:43 And when's the $45,000 version coming?
3:46 Mhm.
3:46 So, why don't you give that to us?
3:48 Yeah, I've got kind of everything here.
3:49 Uh so, we're going to have R2 standard, R2 premium, and R2 performance.
3:53 Um performance is There's also like
3:55 a launch edition performance, I believe, right?
3:58 we were driving.
3:58 Okay, so R2 performance is going to be starting at 57.9,
4:02 so just under 60, which we all kind of expected.
4:04 And that is uh 330 mi of range,
4:06 3.6 seconds 0 to 60, 656 horsepower, and most importantly, spring 2026.
4:11 So, no surprise, most expensive coming out the quickest.
4:15 We're in Austin, Texas right now.
4:16 I see Rivians all the time out here.
4:18 I feel like anytime I'm here or anytime I'm in like Southern California,
4:23 I see a lot of Rivians,
4:24 and they're the R1s, they're the $100,000 trucks and SUVs.
4:29 This being half the price or 50 to $60,000 is obviously much more attainable.
4:35 Quick show of hands, does anybody thinking about getting a Rivian R2?
4:38 Is that Yeah, there's a couple hands coming up, right?
4:40 So, this is This is a an exciting vehicle to be coming out.
4:43 I thought it was really, really capable.
4:45 I'm curious what you guys think now that you've seen,
4:47 you know, the videos and how well it seems to drive.
4:50 I mean, I've been excited for this for a long time.
4:52 I've always liked the Rivian stuff.
4:54 Um and obviously a more affordable version is really cool.
4:57 Under 60, they actually seem like cuz they promised under 60 2 years ago.
5:02 At least.
5:03 And there A lot of things have changed in the last 2 years,
5:05 so I'm not surprised or I am surprised they kept the pricing there.
5:09 Um kind of stinks the most expensive is coming out first.
5:12 Um but R2 premium is going to be 53.9, so like 54.
5:16 That's coming out late 2026.
5:18 And then R2 standard is the $48,000 one that that is uh just says 2027.
5:25 And let's let's be real,
5:26 we all know it's always as far away as possible in that time zone.
5:32 So, spring 2026 will probably be What's the last June 20th or 21st.
5:37 June 20th.
5:38 Um So, it's cool that it's coming out.
5:40 I mean, I'm excited to start seeing them.
5:42 I think R2 standard is going to be the more the The exciting thing,
5:45 just the absolute I'm just going to black out till R3 comes out.
5:49 I just want I just want the Subaru car, man.
5:51 You want what?
5:52 It looks like a Subaru.
5:53 The R3 a lot of people a lot of people forgot about the R3.
5:56 But the R3 looks nice and it's supposed to be cheaper than the R2.
5:59 The R3 has been living rent-free in your head.
6:01 That's right.
6:01 Well, if you don't think R2 standard is going to come out till 2027,
6:06 let's assume end of 2027.
6:08 Yeah.
6:08 Do you think they need at least a buffer year after that?
6:10 So are we thinking 2029 is the earliest we might see an R3?
6:14 I have I don't want to think about timelines for R3.
6:17 I think and I I think you're right.
6:19 It'll probably be as late as possible.
6:20 This is also the Tesla blueprint.
6:22 Like when Model 3 and Model Y came out, they did the same thing.
6:25 They were like, let's launch the highest margin,
6:26 most premium, best trim version first, sell as many as we can there and work
6:30 our way down and eventually sell a base rear-wheel drive,
6:34 cheapest possible model.
6:36 That will be the most attainable and possibly one of the highest volume trims,
6:39 but I'm not expecting to see that or R3 anytime soon.
6:43 Before 2030?
6:44 Before 2030, I think.
6:46 Both of them?
6:47 2029.
6:47 I 2029.
6:48 Yeah.
6:49 But uh I I do think like Model Y performance when it launched recently,
6:53 that was like 62,000.
6:56 And this Rivian R2 performance, which is equally as exciting,
7:01 maybe even more so, I think looks better.
7:03 I also think has a little bit more character, uh is 58.
7:08 They're going to sell a lot of these.
7:09 That's pretty good.
7:09 I mean, the most important thing here is that they are
7:11 matching up with Model Y prices if not a little cheaper Oh.
7:16 and better range as well with them.
7:17 Slightly better range, but I have a take.
7:19 Worst colors.
7:20 The worst colors?
7:21 Can you tell us about the colors?
7:22 My problem with the colors is everything online looks super muted.
7:26 Have you seen them yet?
7:28 them.
7:28 They are muted.
7:28 we could throw pictures of all the colors behind us,
7:30 but the colors are light gray, dark gray, black, white, dark green,
7:37 greenish gray, olive green, both kind of gray, and then the dark blue,
7:42 and then a light slightly less dark blue.
7:45 gray blue.
7:45 And then a purple.
7:47 Purple.
7:46 Purple.
7:46 So they there's no Rivian red.
7:48 I love the Rivian red.
7:49 There's no Rivian yellow.
7:50 So this is new colors for the R2.
7:52 I think the R1 has much more bold poppy colors.
7:55 I I'm curious why.
7:56 I feel like Apple does the opposite.
7:57 The cheaper stuff gets the poppy colors.
7:59 thing that the phone companies do.
8:00 But the phone companies give the cheaper stuff the poppier colors.
8:03 That's true.
8:04 And now we're getting the the cheaper stuff gets the Yeah.
8:07 tame colors.
8:08 How many shades of gray do you think they offer?
8:10 Not as many as you were hoping to make the joke, but Not even close.
8:15 It's possible one day.
8:16 Okay.
8:17 Yeah.
8:17 Yeah.
8:18 No, I think the my problem with the colors is it's always yellow accents.
8:22 So I want more and the like darker deeper blue looks better with the yellow.
8:26 The deeper green looks better with the yellow.
8:28 I liked the fun colors of R1 platform.
8:31 Yeah.
8:32 These the slate blue is kind of nice.
8:33 What did the purple look like in person?
8:35 Did you see it?
8:36 It's a deep purple.
8:38 It's deep purple.
8:39 How your shirt?
8:40 My shirt's way brighter than the purple.
8:41 I was going to say Barney.
8:42 Barney's brighter than this purple.
8:43 It was more plum.
8:46 Plum.
8:47 Even darker than that.
8:48 Have you ever had a plum before?
8:51 Deep cut.
8:52 Deep cut.
8:53 Uh so yeah, that I'm you know, I'm moderately excited about these.
8:55 I think they're going to sell well.
8:56 We're going to start seeing them in a lot more places than just,
8:58 you know, the places we see Than just South by Southwest.
9:01 Yeah.
9:01 Yeah.
9:02 I'm excited.
9:03 I have a reservation.
9:04 I don't know if I'll pull the trigger right away.
9:06 I might wait for the middle one.
9:08 some people at the studio who are very eager to pull the trigger.
9:10 Cuz you guys all live in New Jersey.
9:12 Yeah.
9:13 What?
9:13 I can't have a garage.
9:14 I live in New York City.
9:15 Oh.
9:15 Can't charge anything anywhere.
9:17 There's like there's like two chargers in New
9:19 York and they're very far away and very expensive.
9:22 You can always come to Jersey and and have a garage and charge stuff.
9:25 Then I'd have to have a family.
9:27 That's a whole thing.
9:28 That's a whole thing.
9:29 That's down the road.
9:31 Um all right, I have one other thing I thought we
9:33 could kind of do that's fun before we start getting into Q&A,
9:36 which is we make a joke at the office all the time
9:39 that tech moves so fast that us covering tech are horrible with timelines.
9:45 There's so many times we write or talk on the podcast
9:47 or are just talking in general where somebody will say Oh yeah,
9:51 remember the Humane AI pin?
9:53 That was like 5 years ago, right?
9:54 And it's like, no man, that was like 8 months ago.
9:57 And since this is only our second time on a stage is at South by 1 year later,
10:02 I rewatched First of all, show of hands, was anyone here last year?
10:07 That's awesome.
10:07 I'm really excited there's somebody here.
10:09 So this might be fun cuz um I took all of the a lot of the things
10:13 we answered and takes that we had on current
10:15 stories and things have changed quite a bit.
10:17 So I figured we'd kind of do a quick run through those.
10:20 These are takes from last year.
10:21 These are takes from last year or news things that were happening last year.
10:25 So the first thing we talked about actually was Apple Intelligence.
10:28 Mhm.
10:29 I think It's been 8 months.
10:31 before we got on stage was Apple officially delaying Apple Intelligence,
10:35 which is a very I think it was the first official time.
10:39 Okay.
10:40 So we were post launching 16 or sorry,
10:44 16 built from the ground up for Apple Intelligence.
10:46 With all the ads, yeah.
10:47 That didn't come out.
10:47 Then this was after they deleted all
10:49 the ads that said it was for Apple Intelligence.
10:52 And then they delayed it.
10:53 And I do believe they said still coming out 2025.
10:57 Wow.
10:58 It's 2026.
11:00 And now Google's making it.
11:01 If anyone's Yeah, if anyone's following along,
11:02 Apple Intelligence I guess when we say Apple Intelligence we mean uh Siri.
11:07 Siri.
11:08 The improved LLM-based Siri.
11:10 Yeah, cuz Apple Intelligence has been rolling out in stages and a lot
11:14 of the early stages that have rolled out have been some of the least exciting.
11:17 Notification summaries.
11:20 The emojis that are like the small the image playground stuff.
11:24 That's the stuff that they have rolled out.
11:25 We've all been waiting for the better Siri,
11:28 aka the assistant that can take actions for you.
11:31 There's a whole ton of things happening.
11:32 You guys will hear about all week about AI and agentic AI.
11:35 People, you know, asking apps to be, you know,
11:37 built from the ground up on their phone from a simple query.
11:40 And meanwhile, Siri is like kind of not good at all.
11:44 So, we're all we're all hoping for Siri to get good,
11:47 but uh we're still waiting for it.
11:48 Everyone on the stage said definitely out by the end of 2025.
11:52 How wrong we were.
11:52 How wrong we were.
11:53 Do you know what you said specifically, Marques?
11:55 No.
11:56 So, Siri like we're all saying Siri's big thing was that it can uh you know,
12:00 you can speak to it.
12:01 It can work inside of your apps on your phone.
12:04 Yes.
12:05 Your response to that was Bixby used to be able to do that.
12:08 So, if Samsung can make Bixby work inside your app,
12:11 how could Apple not do it by the end of the year?
12:13 Yeah.
12:14 Well, that was at the time one of the more
12:16 exciting things that we were hoping it would do,
12:18 which was I want to ask and this was something Bixby did.
12:21 We would ask it for it to reach into an app and perform an action for us.
12:26 This is called agentic now.
12:27 like 2018.
12:28 Yeah.
12:29 2018, 2019.
12:30 Uh that was one of the most interesting
12:31 things that Bixby could do and I was like, well, surely Siri also.
12:36 Yeah.
12:36 Here we are.
12:37 Here we are.
12:38 I think they kind of shot themselves in the foot with the privacy angle though.
12:41 They don't have any of that data.
12:42 They can't just, you know, make it happen.
12:44 Do everything.
12:44 Yeah.
12:45 So, but if you weren't following along
12:46 with what they had said before is in January,
12:48 uh Apple announced that Google Gemini will
12:50 now be essentially what's running Apple intelligence.
12:53 Uh so, we did get a step further closer,
12:57 but also further away from Apple creating it, I guess.
13:00 Well, we don't really know yet.
13:01 I think until it happens, we're not really sure when it's uh Yeah.
13:05 When it's going to happen.
13:05 The thing we were wondering was will dub dub last year just re-announce it?
13:10 I think they just glossed over it completely.
13:12 Right.
13:12 So, 2024 WWDC, Apple goes, "Apple intelligence is our new thing.
13:17 It's going to be amazing.
13:18 This is what AI stood for the whole time.
13:20 We swear." They delay it.
13:22 2025 comes and goes and they sort of kind
13:25 of re-announce Apple intelligence features and sort of reframe it
13:30 and and give us that some of the stuff has
13:31 come out and some of the stuff is still coming.
13:34 WWDC this summer they may do that again
13:38 and re-announce Apple intelligence and explain the things that are
13:42 now out which is a lot of it but still
13:44 that we're hoping to see this Siri thing soon.
13:48 Maybe this year.
13:49 Maybe they've learned their lesson to not
13:50 make a promise on when that's coming out.
13:51 They should just drop it when it's ready.
13:53 Yeah, honestly.
13:54 I agree.
13:55 Every tech company should just drop things when they're ready.
13:58 I think the world would be a better But then how would investors invest in them?
14:01 How would they raise fake money?
14:04 Uh next thing we talked about and I'll go really fast
14:06 on this because uh Dig relaunched or got announced last South by.
14:12 Oh yeah.
14:12 We thought it was going to be this cool thing of the uh you know the the old
14:16 arch-rivals because we had the founder of Dig
14:18 and one of the co-founders of Reddit, Alexis Ohanian,
14:21 coming together to relaunch Dig and you know I was
14:25 really mad at Reddit last year because Steve Huffman totally
14:27 ruined it and I was really excited for Dig and then
14:30 when I was writing this I was like, oh yeah.
14:33 What happened to Dig?
14:34 And uh it launched at some point I think earlier this year and I
14:38 went to it and the hardest part about trying to pretend you're doing well is
14:43 when your whole website is based on votes
14:45 and comments and activity is the minute
14:47 you go to the front page of it you can see how it's doing.
14:51 I don't I saw very few posts that had
14:53 more than 50 votes and like more than 10 comments.
14:56 So it's basically just I don't know.
14:59 Are there any Dig users new Dig users in here?
15:02 I'd be shocked if I saw any.
15:03 Uh we got a hand.
15:04 There was a hand?
15:06 We got one hand.
15:07 Okay.
15:07 You'll have to tell me about it later.
15:10 Um cuz it didn't look like it was doing
15:11 great but the UI was kind of nice I guess.
15:14 Okay.
15:16 Yeah, they haven't really advertised it at all.
15:18 I haven't seen anything about it.
15:19 They did the big launch but then it was like $5 a month to use.
15:23 it was a month though.
15:24 I think it was like just to the invite was $5 or something like that.
15:28 That's too much, man.
15:30 You don't know how it's going to be.
15:31 When you don't know how it's going to It kind of boils down to
15:34 There's no community.
15:35 That's the problem.
15:36 It's community.
15:37 And we talk about all these different social media platforms trying to take
15:40 over other social media platforms because
15:42 everyone keeps ruining social media platforms.
15:45 And the hardest part, no matter how good your UI is,
15:48 no matter how good all the features are is the people.
15:50 Yeah.
15:51 Yep.
15:53 Shout out to YouTube.
15:56 All right, let's go through some of the things
15:57 we said in the question and answer.
15:59 Um someone asked if Apple launching a foldable is
16:02 going to be what brings folding phones to the mainstream.
16:05 Uh we were all pretty convinced the folding phone Apple would do is flip style,
16:09 so clamshell, kind of like an old folding phone.
16:12 We are all now seeing pretty strong rumors about a passport
16:17 style folding phone from Apple coming out later this year.
16:20 Yeah.
16:20 Um one, do you think it's going to come out later this year?
16:23 Yes.
16:24 The rumors are now much more confidently aligning for this year.
16:28 It's not a rumor.
16:29 Is there there one in your pocket right now?
16:31 technically a rumor.
16:32 We don't know for sure until it like it gets announced.
16:34 But yeah, we're pretty sure it's Now it's like kind of like
16:36 Pixel Fold 1 or What was the first the Oppo Find Yeah,
16:41 the pop passport style, so it opens like a Galaxy Fold,
16:44 but is a little bit more squat, so it opens to a wide screen.
16:48 And I think that's going to be It's going to make sense.
16:50 What we're all curious now to see
16:51 is what's the unique differentiating thing for Apple?
16:55 Is it an iPad-like OS when it's open?
16:57 Is it a really, really impressively flat crease and a like,
17:02 you know, creaseless display?
17:04 Is it both?
17:04 Is it the Is it the fact that they charge less than anybody else?
17:07 No.
17:08 Uh is it any What's their What's their angle going to be?
17:11 We're in a new era with Apple right now, okay?
17:12 I I I I I have a sneaky feeling this is
17:15 going to live at the top of the iPhone lineup.
17:16 Yeah.
17:17 that's a safe bet.
17:18 Yeah, so you know
17:19 Although all our bets last year were wrong, so Yeah.
17:21 So yeah, I we expect to see it this year.
17:23 It'll be a We could probably place bets on the price.
17:27 It'll probably be a $2,023 phone and we'll see what their angle is.
17:32 It's okay, my uncle works at Apple, so he told me.
17:35 He told me what?
17:36 It's $2,999.
17:37 Is this breaking news?
17:38 Wait, what?
17:38 He's going to ban you from Apple.
17:40 Um also talking about Apple,
17:43 last year somebody asked us if we ever thought we'd see a touchscreen
17:46 Mac or Mac display and all of us were extremely confidently no.
17:51 MacBook Ultra rumors are out now,
17:52 touchscreen OLED, dynamic island later this year.
17:55 always use the word ultra when they're
17:56 like thinking that something's going to come
17:58 out that's not going to Did that part make it into Pod Like?
18:00 think it made it and I think I just need to say it.
18:02 Okay.
18:03 MacBook Ultra is not a good name.
18:04 Yeah.
18:05 Here's why.
18:06 Any It's not like it's okay,
18:08 like ultra makes sense for like the super high-end product, that makes sense.
18:11 But they also have chips called Pro, Max, and Ultra.
18:16 They do not put the Ultra chips as of right now in the laptops,
18:20 that's in the desktop.
18:21 So if you're going to name it MacBook Ultra
18:23 but you don't put the Ultra chip in it, that's a little confusing.
18:27 What about the watch?
18:29 Uh fair.
18:31 But I just think if there is an Ultra chip available in the Mac lineup,
18:34 the MacBook Ultra should have it.
18:36 That's my number one confusion.
18:38 Mhm.
18:39 And then but yeah, it's supposed to be touchscreen,
18:40 which is all like I don't really know what to make of that.
18:44 I'm assuming this is going to be paired with a new redesign,
18:47 the dynamic island, the OLED display, all this fun stuff.
18:51 I saw a headline recently that it would be thinner,
18:53 which I'm a little bit nervous about because you
18:56 don't put an Ultra chip in a thinner body.
18:58 Because you still think an Ultra chip's going to go in
19:00 I just yeah, I don't think it'll have an Ultra chip.
19:02 Anyway, I think they should call it the studio.
19:03 That's my take.
19:05 But uh yeah, we'll see.
19:06 It's supposed to be later this year and it's supposed to have a touchscreen.
19:09 Yeah.
19:09 Would you get Do you want Now that we're a year later
19:13 and we do think it is coming do you want a touchscreen MacBook Pro?
19:19 It depends on what the touchscreen does.
19:23 I'm still you can touch it usually.
19:25 I well I guess that would be a feature but it yeah I don't know.
19:29 They said that the UI is going to be like modular and change
19:33 when you go to touch it and like it has all these ambient things.
19:36 I still think that they should have just made the the touch pad
19:40 Apple Pencil compatible and that would have solved like most of the problems.
19:44 And then it could have Apple Pencils.
19:45 Yeah, the trackpad.
19:46 Uh Yeah.
19:47 Mhm.
19:48 Cuz I don't know.
19:49 I like doing this on Photoshop, you know,
19:51 but is that if that's the only use I'm
19:53 not sure if that's worth a you know, $9,000.
19:57 Yeah, it's going to be expensive as well.
19:59 That's a theme.
20:00 Uh but I do think Apple is specifically allergic
20:03 to making the Apple Pencil compatible with the Mac
20:06 and I know we were saying that about a touchscreen
20:08 but I do think this is very iPad related.
20:10 They want to sell you a Mac and an iPad not or.
20:15 So the more overlap in functionality there is with Mac
20:19 and iPad the worse it is for that double purchase.
20:22 Yeah.
20:23 So I think uh yeah the Pencil's always going to be just for the iPad.
20:26 Next year we're going to find out Yeah, I'm wrong next year.
20:28 It's going to be great.
20:30 Yeah, that's going to be this Uh I'll
20:31 run through a couple of these pretty quick.
20:33 Uh people asked us how AI was helping us in our everyday
20:35 lives and Ellis was talking about
20:37 vibe coding something to where David responded.
20:40 Is vibe coding like a term people use?
20:43 That's changed quite a bit.
20:45 That was like a year ago.
20:46 Wow.
20:46 I think vibe coding my grandma probably knows what vibe coding is now.
20:50 Ellis downloaded a local LLM for the plane ride
20:53 here to mess around with so He was quining hard.
20:58 Nobody gets that joke.
21:00 It's a it's a model.
21:02 Yeah.
21:02 Um and then the last thing we just kind of you
21:05 you got a a very firm answer to a couple weeks ago,
21:08 which is with somebody asked us if AI is coming into everything,
21:12 glasses, pins, phones, how concerned should we be with data privacy?
21:17 And if for some reason you haven't seen the Meta Ray-Ban article about where
21:21 your data is being sent and being
21:22 used seen by data annotators in different countries,
21:26 you should really read that article.
21:28 Lots of private stuff that you don't know fully is being recorded
21:31 when you're using AI features are being sent out and uh Yeah,
21:34 we did a breakdown this week.
21:36 The the pod just went live an hour ago.
21:38 So, you can watch it right now if you want to.
21:39 You could be double podding right now.
21:42 I would not want to listen to me two times at the same time.
21:45 We wanted to release it live on stage,
21:47 but then we'd have to make the pod is late joke to Adam again.
21:50 So, yeah.
21:51 All right, we'll take a quick break, but after we come back,
21:53 Adam and Ellis are going to take some
21:55 questions from the crowd that we'll try to answer.
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23:01 Uh yeah, so I think that's everything from the initial
23:03 thought we had uh just covering a couple stories.
23:06 We're going to I think Adam and Ellis wanted to do trivia first.
23:10 Are they out in this station?
23:12 moved out there.
23:13 Fun Do we think enough people have filled out That's right.
23:17 You hear the music.
23:19 Thank you everyone for filling out our survey,
23:21 which took a shocking amount of time to program that URL redirect.
23:26 We asked you a lot of questions and we are
23:28 now going to have our hosts guess what you guys put.
23:33 Also, thanks for filling out the room.
23:35 Listeners don't know, but it is packed in here.
23:37 There's like 3,000 people.
23:38 Yeah.
23:38 Oh yeah, yeah.
23:39 Oh well, I can hear it.
23:40 Listen to that.
23:41 Crazy.
23:42 Yeah.
23:42 Yeah.
23:43 God damn.
23:43 Guys, also 10 of you have never listened to or watched Waveform before.
23:50 Welcome.
23:49 So thanks.
23:50 That's cool.
23:51 Hopefully you subscribe after.
23:53 You can hype us.
23:54 Not anymore.
23:55 Not anymore.
23:56 Oh, yeah.
23:56 Yeah, the comments today were saying it's done.
23:58 This is for average listeners or people who listen to us a lot.
24:01 This will actually This is the one time
24:03 a year that Ellis and Adam get their own microphones.
24:05 Oh my gosh, I didn't even realize that.
24:07 That's so I'm trying so hard not to talk over you.
24:09 Guys, I love the portrait anyway, so as I was saying Guys, we asked the room,
24:15 however many Waveform fans there are here, who has the best outfits on Waveform?
24:22 Do you want to guess who this lovely crowd said?
24:25 David.
24:26 Ellis.
24:28 I think they said David.
24:30 Really?
24:31 Yeah.
24:32 I have like five pairs of clothes, bro.
24:34 I guess yeah, outfits is hard, but No,
24:37 I think David's got the It's David or Ellis.
24:40 I'm wearing the same outfit
24:41 in second place with seven votes, but guys, it was not even close.
24:46 Oh, shoot.
24:47 Marques, 26 votes.
24:50 What the Oh, wow.
24:51 I'd be I can't Fashion icon, Marques Brownlee.
24:55 shop.mkbhd.com Andrew, why do you sound so surprised?
25:00 I don't know.
25:01 Ellis, there's been like four Reddit Reddit posts about Ellis's sweatshirt.
25:06 It's Abercrombie& Fitch.
25:08 Yeah.
25:09 People use Circle Search to find that out.
25:11 Wow.
25:12 People only talk about us on Dig, so that's why.
25:14 That's what I'm missing out.
25:16 Guys, we asked this crowd to rank
25:18 our niche tech interests that are paid weather apps,
25:22 Samsung DeX, film cameras, VHS tapes, and mechanical keyboards.
25:26 What do you think the top ranked thing in this room was?
25:31 Are we all just going to answer our own one?
25:33 I don't know.
25:34 No, I'm not.
25:35 I think this room would think David's film cameras is the best niche.
25:39 That's interesting.
25:40 It's weather apps for sure.
25:41 It's weather apps for sure.
25:42 Okay, Andrew.
25:43 I'm selfishly saying mechanical keyboards.
25:47 If it's weather apps At number three, Samsung DeX.
25:52 That's right, baby.
25:53 At number two, mechanical keyboards.
25:58 Okay.
25:57 And number one, David Amell.
26:01 Really?
26:01 Wow.
26:02 Film cameras.
26:03 even think that's technology.
26:04 in the analog world, people.
26:06 I'd be racking racking up the points right now if this is Damn, yeah.
26:09 You're counting me.
26:10 That's what Yeah.
26:11 Yeah.
26:12 Guys, I think it's time for our new,
26:14 I guess it's the second time, so now it's a tradition.
26:17 We asked this crowd who has the worst takes on Waveform.
26:23 Last year, you all voted me.
26:28 Which is the person who introduced these three
26:30 people to vibe coding, you might be right.
26:34 Who do you think has the worst takes, or excuse me,
26:38 who do you think this room has the worst takes on Waveform?
26:43 This lovely crowd of 3,000 people.
26:46 3 million people.
26:47 Yeah.
26:49 You know what's funny about that?
26:50 I just want to interrupt real quick.
26:51 I think Well, I mean this room is what?
26:53 Probably like 150 people or something like that, which is awesome.
26:56 And I always hear like people starting
26:58 off starting YouTube channels always say like,
27:00 "Oh, you know, I I made my first video.
27:01 I didn't get that many views.
27:02 I only got like 200 views." Picture yourself making that video
27:08 to a room of 200 people and it totally recontextualizes what you just did.
27:13 Everyone's obsessed with scale and getting a million views,
27:15 but like just if you're starting, think about that.
27:18 Think about this room.
27:19 Anyway, I'm way more nervous on this stage
27:21 right now than going into our podcast, which hits hundreds of us.
27:25 I have no idea what to do with my legs.
27:26 It's usually under a bed or a chair.
27:29 Anyway, I think uh I said MSG like twice basically.
27:33 I think Ellis got the votes again for worst takes.
27:36 That would be Worst takes.
27:37 Yeah.
27:38 Ooh, it could be me, honestly.
27:40 I think everyone just wants to say themselves to be nice.
27:42 So, I'll also say David.
27:44 To be nice, I'm being selfish.
27:46 Andrew, you tied with Adam for the least votes in this question,
27:51 implying that you actually might have the best takes.
27:56 Best is the greatest audience in the world.
27:58 Marques, you only slightly came under him with six
28:02 votes as the worst takes on the podcast.
28:05 It's you, me, boys.
28:06 One of the three of us.
28:08 I, with my myriad of wonderful opinions,
28:12 got a whopping 12 votes for the worst takes on the podcast,
28:17 but I have been dethroned.
28:20 Worst takes on Waveform now belong to David Imel.
28:27 Yeah.
28:27 Damn.
28:27 Which is funny cuz they love your film cameras, but don't like your other takes.
28:31 But don't like my opinions.
28:33 I like your pictures, but don't talk.
28:38 Just be pretty.
28:41 You guys offered a lot of hilarious answers to what the tech of the the will be.
28:46 Everything from I don't know, not the Rabbit R1.
28:49 Um something that people think is cool.
28:52 AI companies offering open claw as a service.
28:56 Whatever the Johnny Ive chat GPT puck will end up being.
29:00 Uh meta glasses, the Neo, local AI devices for all my quinners out there.
29:06 Thank you, Ellis.
29:06 Don't know what that means.
29:08 I got you.
29:08 Yeah, what does that mean?
29:10 Wait, can you explain that?
29:10 What What We don't have time.
29:12 We really shouldn't.
29:13 Okay, never mind.
29:14 It's a local AI model made by I can never remember who actually makes it,
29:19 but I think they just laid off like most of their team.
29:21 So, it's sort of unsupported and free-floating and Okay, forget I asked.
29:26 Jelly.
29:27 Um and it seems like for the most part you
29:30 guys would not let open claw touch anything in your life.
29:34 Which is probably Smart Chris.
29:36 the safe move.
29:37 Uh but now that we've heard the opinions that we've forced out of you,
29:41 I think we'd like to pass some of these microphones
29:44 around and have you guys ask our hosts some questions.
29:48 Does that sound like it would be fun?
29:51 I hope so cuz we have 30 minutes and nothing else written down.
29:54 hand coming over.
29:55 We're going to vamp.
29:56 Adam Molina is handing out the first microphone.
29:58 First question.
30:01 Uh hi, thank you guys so much for speaking.
30:03 I've been a fan for almost 8 years now,
30:04 so it's kind of crazy um like seeing you guys in real life.
30:07 I was kind of curious.
30:08 I took a robo taxi here and it got me wondering
30:10 between that, I see a lot of Waymos on the street,
30:13 would each of you be comfortable riding in an autonomous vehicle and if so,
30:16 does it matter on the brand?
30:18 Um are you waiting for it to get bigger
30:20 or have you done so since you've been in Austin?
30:23 Yeah, so when I first uh got to test the Tesla robo taxi,
30:27 it was still in its sort of very early
30:29 beta phase of only people with invites could test it,
30:32 but I did get my first taste of the Tesla robo taxi there.
30:35 That was also my first taste of the Waymos.
30:37 I rode them all day.
30:39 Uh I I know how many miles I covered, but we we did a lot of shooting and a lot
30:43 of testing in a whole bunch of different routes all over the place.
30:46 At the end of that, my conclusion was, these are fine.
30:49 And I actually, as someone who's typically like,
30:51 I recently checked my Uber rating and I'm like a 4.9 passenger rating.
30:55 I feel like I'm the perfect Uber passenger cuz I just I just I
30:58 get in the back and I just sit there and I don't do anything.
31:01 And it would be even cooler if I didn't have to talk to anyone and it was empty.
31:05 And I'm on the computer working and it's fine.
31:08 And uh I think a lot of people's dream is to just
31:10 get into a little car that it doesn't have anyone in there.
31:12 It doesn't have to, you know, you don't have to talk to anyone.
31:15 So, uh I was totally fine with it.
31:18 I would ride in any autonomous car.
31:20 They seem to drive kind of like like a grandma a little bit.
31:23 Like they're mostly pretty safe about things.
31:26 Uh and I was totally fine with that.
31:28 Yeah.
31:29 Well, I'm not supposed to talk cuz my opinions are bad.
31:32 Um Give us your takes.
31:33 I've not taken the robo taxi.
31:35 I personally I have a Model 3 and I do not
31:38 trust its autopilot that at all cuz it makes really bad decisions.
31:41 Obviously, I don't have a newer version.
31:43 It's like a 2019 one.
31:44 It's very old.
31:45 Um so, maybe I would do it.
31:47 But, I have been riding Waymos for like 3 or 4
31:50 years now and the ones in San Francisco are crazy smooth.
31:54 Um I love getting in a Waymo and I love
31:56 that it has my name like spinning on the top.
31:58 Uh yeah.
31:58 Yeah.
31:59 I don't like the idea of uh this insane consolidation of power between like one
32:04 to two companies that could completely just
32:07 take over the entire taxi ride hailing space.
32:11 If this tech gets more democratized,
32:13 which there are really cool like open source car driving models now
32:16 that you can like install in your car with cameras and stuff.
32:20 Whether or not that becomes street legal, I have no idea.
32:22 But, um the Waymos are very fun.
32:24 They're very smooth.
32:25 I have not ridden in either of them.
32:28 I think I would because like Marques said,
32:29 they're pretty slow and around, you know,
32:31 they're testing in cities like this, which is gated
32:34 and they're doing a a of uh you know, there's only so far you can go.
32:38 And so, as long as I'm not trying
32:40 to get anywhere pretty quick, I'm fine with it.
32:42 But also, a regular Uber driver,
32:44 I think as we left South by last year, Marques's Uber to the airport,
32:49 when they got in, he said,
32:51 "I'm not your average Uber driver." And all of us went, "Oh, no.
32:55 Are we going to see them at the airport?" So,
32:58 you know, there's dangers in both of them.
33:00 Uh But yeah, I I would get in one and try it around the city.
33:04 Yeah.
33:04 I saw one near our studio a couple days ago,
33:07 and I realized there's an article a Waymo that they're
33:09 testing them in New York City, which is insane.
33:12 Which I couldn't decide if that made
33:14 me very confident in them or extremely concerned.
33:18 Cuz I've seen Has anyone driven in New York City before?
33:22 You know that that's that's the ultimate challenge for these things.
33:25 So, if it can survive there, then I guess it can survive anywhere.
33:28 Can I throw an audio uh question to the audience real fast?
33:30 So, with this cyber cab, I was literally going to ask
33:34 going Who, if you don't know, Marques has a bet,
33:37 if cyber the $30,000 no steering wheel two-seat cyber cab comes out by the end,
33:43 who here uh thinks Marques's hair is safe?
33:47 AKA, do you think it will come not come out this Okay, here's the bet.
33:51 Here's the bet.
33:51 Elon got on stage.
33:54 Well, the bet was, okay, Elon got on stage,
33:57 he said, "We're going to have this golden two-door autonomous thing,
34:00 and we're going to sell it to the public
34:01 before the end of 2026." And I was like, "Of course you're not.
34:05 Um and if you If you do, I'll shave my head on camera.
34:08 That's But I feel pretty confident that that's not going to happen." So,
34:12 if you think my bet is safe, raise your hand.
34:17 If you think I'm going to shave my head, raise your hand.
34:20 Yeah.
34:21 so good about that.
34:23 All right.
34:23 Has anyone here taken a Tesla cyber cab in Austin?
34:27 Cuz they do run ostensibly in Austin.
34:29 Robo taxis, yeah.
34:30 No, you're robo taxis.
34:31 It's not cyber cabs.
34:32 It's robo taxi, right?
34:33 No, it's robo van.
34:34 Thank you, thank you.
34:35 Robo No, no.
34:37 Okay.
34:38 Um okay.
34:38 We have another question back here.
34:40 Cool.
34:43 I've actually seen the robo taxi here, so I have a picture of it.
34:46 It's definitely out there.
34:47 Uh my name is Will.
34:48 Big big uh fan of the podcast.
34:51 I watch pretty much every single one
34:53 of them at least tangentially through shorts.
34:55 Um So uh I was just wondering,
34:58 what is your all's next big purchase if it's tech or otherwise?
35:03 I hope a home one day.
35:06 So you can have your Rivian?
35:07 Yeah.
35:10 I have an answer.
35:11 I mean, we kind of teased one at the end of Year in the Life.
35:15 Oh, that's the giant one.
35:17 I don't know.
35:17 Mine was going to be a tech thing.
35:18 Okay.
35:19 Uh this video is not uploaded yet, so this is an exclusive.
35:22 Uh I just did a video of uh sort
35:24 of a desk tour of reviewing everything on my desk.
35:28 And on my desk is a bunch of things, a computer,
35:30 monitors, keyboards, things that I've been using for like 15 years straight.
35:35 And and I know them really well, and I really like them,
35:38 and I choose them out of all the choices I would have had.
35:41 Um but sitting on my desk right now is two Pro Display XDRs and a Mac Pro.
35:46 And the Mac Pro isn't technically discontinued yet, but it's pretty close.
35:52 It's basically discontinued.
35:54 It's an M2 chip.
35:55 It's like a 3-year-old chip, and they've had three generations since then.
35:59 And uh the Mac Pro is not getting any updates,
36:02 and the Studio Display XDR just came out and is better
36:06 in every way than the Pro Display XDR other than being slightly smaller.
36:11 And lower resolution?
36:12 Uh yeah, slightly smaller, but same pixel density.
36:15 Okay.
36:16 So I think my next big purchase is going
36:19 to be those Studio Displays to replace my Pro Displays,
36:23 and then I was talking about this earlier,
36:25 like I'm not sure if I'm going to become
36:27 the MacBook Pro guy that takes it everywhere and then
36:30 plugs it in or if I still like have like
36:32 a Mac Studio on my desk or something like that.
36:35 But that's that's what I'm scheming right now is my my updated desk setup.
36:40 Do you want Andrew?
36:41 Uh mine's probably either whatever keyboard convinces me to pre-order
36:46 it and forget about next or I don't know.
36:50 I probably won't upgrade a phone for a while cuz
36:51 Google keeps screwing me over with this 128 base storage.
36:56 It's annoying.
36:56 So I'll probably hold on to this for a while.
36:58 I actually don't have anything in It's hard.
37:00 It's like my MacBook M1 Max is still kicking it pretty dang hard.
37:04 So I don't really need to upgrade to my computer.
37:07 I have a little apartment.
37:09 It's got air conditioning sometimes.
37:12 During the summer.
37:13 I don't know.
37:14 I would say I mean I've been trying to get It does have to be technology
37:17 cuz I've been trying to convince myself to buy a Leica M7 for like 6 years.
37:21 That's technology.
37:22 Raise your hand if you should buy a Leica M7.
37:25 Like a Leica Do it.
37:27 Thank you, Austin.
37:28 That's probably it, honestly.
37:29 Yeah, I mean I will probably get a Rivian eventually, but A what?
37:34 Maybe a cloud subscription.
37:36 Yeah.
37:37 Cloud Max?
37:38 No.
37:39 No.
37:40 All right, next question right back here.
37:44 Hey, how's it going guys?
37:45 Um big fan.
37:45 Been following you guys for a while.
37:47 Um I was just at CES this year and I
37:48 saw a lot of like autonomous lawnmowers and stuff.
37:52 What was the What was it from CES that really impressed you guys
37:54 this year that you perhaps are looking forward to in the consumer space?
37:58 Robot phone.
38:00 That was mobile That's MWC, isn't it?
38:02 Well, they showed it at at CES first.
38:04 Did they?
38:04 I think so.
38:05 Yeah.
38:05 I'm just kidding.
38:06 I'm trying to remember what happened at CES this year.
38:08 CES is a CES is the perfect example of when
38:11 I say we don't remember timelines because I could mention something
38:14 from 8 years ago and it'll feel like this year's CES
38:17 cuz it probably stays at CES for years at a time.
38:20 We're the biggest say the This kind of ties into my weather thing,
38:24 but the autonomous lawn mowers are interesting.
38:27 Oh god.
38:28 We've got several major blizzards on the East Coast this year,
38:31 and someone that I've been following every time there's a blizzard,
38:35 he posts a video of his autonomous
38:37 snowblower clearing his driveway actively while it's snowing,
38:41 so that he wakes up to a clear driveway.
38:43 And one of them went super viral,
38:44 and the whole world found out about autonomous snowblowers.
38:47 And then we got another blizzard, and it was too much snow for the snowblower,
38:50 and it was like kind of it had to go back to the dock and charge.
38:53 It was interesting like seeing like a real use case of that thing.
38:56 And I thought that was that was kind of like
38:58 the best case scenario of like an autonomous vehicle that just silently,
39:03 while you're not thinking about it, goes out and does work,
39:06 earns you some time, and then goes back and charges, and goes to sleep.
39:10 And I thought that was pretty sick.
39:12 There was one thing that I'm remembering now,
39:13 which was the Seattle Ultrasonics uh kitchen knife that is
39:17 like uh that actually vibrates to help cut things better.
39:21 They did wind up sending us one, and we tried it.
39:23 There's a short Marques did on it.
39:25 Yeah.
39:25 It was I wanted to love it,
39:28 but it just did not quite accomplish what I wanted it to.
39:31 And I talked to the team there, and they were super nice,
39:34 and they're going to keep trying,
39:35 but I was a little bummed out by it, unfortunately.
39:39 We learned that everyone in the studio has bad knife handling skills.
39:42 I learned that very quickly, and also Almost everyone.
39:44 Yeah, Ellis being number one worst knife handling skills.
39:48 There were some really weirdly shaped cool phones there this year.
39:52 Um I think that the the Clicks Communicator was very, very cool.
39:57 You know, so I want to try that.
39:58 I want to have like a little weekender
40:00 phone that I don't have to Disclaimer, David.
40:02 Disclaimer.
40:03 Okay.
40:04 The person who launched it was my old roommate.
40:08 That's a crazy disclaimer.
40:11 I don't know what to say about that, but Yeah, true.
40:13 I'm also to be I also saw that at CES,
40:15 or saw that from CES, and I was like, "I want to check that out."
40:18 I am actually interested, and I did actually put $400 down for a pre-order, so.
40:23 And not only to support him.
40:25 We have another question right here.
40:28 Hi guys.
40:29 Um, so this is the second live episode that you guys do,
40:32 and the studio year recap, like getting cameras all over, was great.
40:37 Uh, so my question is, like,
40:38 is there going to be any more live episodes like this?
40:41 Um, something that I've been look I'm from Puerto Rico,
40:44 and like one of the big things is that we live in a little bubble in the US,
40:48 and then just going out to other countries
40:49 and seeing technology over there could be something different.
40:52 Like, I'm going to Japan in October,
40:54 and I'm like super excited about the tech over there now.
40:56 So, like is that been any thought, or like having more live episodes mostly
41:01 if something else out of the country, too?
41:03 Sure.
41:03 We've What's awesome about Vox setting this up is we
41:07 get to do it without They handle all the hard work.
41:09 Like, seriously, the people at Vox here who
41:11 are setting all this up, kudos to you.
41:12 You're doing an incredible job, and we appreciate it.
41:15 Um Yeah.
41:17 Yeah, we seriously They deserve an applause.
41:19 It's really awesome.
41:20 Um We've talked about it.
41:22 Um, having Hart on the team now gives us a little more
41:25 flexibility of like possibly being able to set something like that up.
41:28 It's just a huge undertaking.
41:30 Yeah.
41:31 Maybe Year in the Life, if you have not seen it,
41:34 it's an incredible thing our studio channel put out,
41:37 just covering literally everything we did last year.
41:39 It's an hour and a half long.
41:41 We run on a really efficient and tight schedule.
41:44 I mean most of us are flights at 4:00 today, and we got in at 10:00 p.m.
41:48 last night.
41:48 So, like we do things really fast.
41:51 Um, so a show like that takes out
41:53 a huge chunk of what Marques ultimately loves doing,
41:57 which is making YouTube videos.
41:59 Yeah.
41:59 Uh, so as much as we'd like to do it,
42:01 I think the first ones would probably be around New York City,
42:04 or maybe at a CES or something like that, or near an event on the West Coast.
42:11 I mean, I'd love to go out of the country and do some
42:14 campaigning hard for Puerto Rico.
42:15 I'm just saying.
42:16 I was going to say I do I like what
42:17 you said about like you we're ultimately in our own bubble
42:20 of like location-wise kind of no matter what and I
42:23 I got like a super huge dose of this last year.
42:26 I went to China to play at ultimate frisbee
42:29 tournament but ended up like as soon as I
42:31 landed I was just like this is a there's
42:33 first of all 90% of the cars are electric.
42:35 This is insane and like being immersed in that culture and that space
42:38 and realizing like this is its own bubble but the there's nothing in common.
42:42 It's incredible.
42:43 And so then we came back here and I reviewed
42:46 the Xiaomi SU7 which was an electric car from China
42:49 in the US just to sort of shine a light
42:51 on that and people were super curious about it and I feel
42:55 like we should do that more often is sort of poke
42:57 out of our own bubble and into others and understand
42:59 like the tech that's running in other places and that's
43:02 like more advanced than what we see in our own bubble.
43:04 So I I hope to do more of that and maybe we'll go back to China and Yeah,
43:07 even with smartphones it's pretty wild like all of the European
43:10 phones that we're not even getting here that have insane features
43:12 like the robot phone that we just didn't we just talked
43:14 about a couple minutes ago maybe not getting a global launch.
43:17 So there's just a lot of weird interesting technology
43:20 in these other countries that we don't even like it's
43:23 kind of hard to even talk about it because we're
43:25 not even going to be able to utilize it here.
43:27 Yeah, that is actually the hardest part is importing a Chinese car into the US
43:32 and getting a plate on it and registered to actually drive it and test it.
43:35 That same problem is true for every piece
43:38 of tech that's not built for this market.
43:40 phones to computers to cars to everything in between.
43:43 And the bands and the maps don't work and everything is like half broken.
43:46 the entire language one of the length it's in Celsius and kilometers.
43:49 I don't know what's going on but it is worth
43:52 the challenge to experience the tech that those places have to offer.
43:56 All right, we'll take one more quick break
43:57 and when we get back even more of your questions.
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46:06 All right, next question back here.
46:09 Hi, uh super cool to see you all.
46:12 I've watched you guys' content all the time.
46:13 I really appreciate it.
46:14 Thank you David especially for all the film camera camera
46:17 stuff that you've allowed me to get my own camera.
46:20 Oh, no.
46:20 Um But the question I wanted to ask was actually about form factors.
46:24 Um I grew up and some of my favorite pieces of technology growing up were
46:28 things like the iPod Nano and the very first like iPhone and stuff like that.
46:31 Um seeing how much bigger things have gotten year over year,
46:34 I remember I have a flip now,
46:37 um which is the closest thing I could find to a small phone.
46:39 Um but when I was searching, I was hoping that, you know,
46:41 the trend would continue towards like what the Asus Zenfone was like.
46:45 Um but then the next version got bigger and bigger.
46:47 I'm wondering if you guys predict or think that the market
46:51 and like sort of tech space will come back towards smaller
46:53 form factors or whether the trend to get bigger and bigger
46:56 is just going to be matched by like slimmer and slimmer.
46:58 Um to save Can I Can I ask him a question real quick?
47:01 Did we do was flip compact phone smartphone award this year?
47:05 I believe it was.
47:06 Do you agree with us that like the flipping
47:08 phones can start being in our compact form factor award?
47:12 was that I was definitely wondering about
47:13 that because it's I mean it's a square now, but it's still a chunky square.
47:16 Um but uh I wonder if like Apple's design choices to go
47:21 towards passport styles are going to start encouraging the rest of phone makers
47:24 to start looking at smaller phones or whether that bigger iPad space
47:28 opening is going to be more the direction people are going to head.
47:31 I I have something to say about this because I used a small
47:35 phone up until about three or four months ago and mini Yeah,
47:39 the iPhone 12 mini and I was iPhone 12 mini?
47:43 I know, right?
47:44 I was constantly shocked at how many things just didn't work on it.
47:48 Like how many developers had did not take into account
47:51 that a screen size even like could be that small.
47:53 Even like when the Apple Sports app first came out,
47:57 um it it didn't load because like things were off screen and I couldn't
48:01 scroll the page and so like I want to see these things come back,
48:05 but there's a part of me that's like we've we're already over the the cliff.
48:08 Like things would need to get re-engineered beyond just like different screens.
48:12 I mean Android is like Android is changing a lot
48:15 to be adaptable to many different types of displays right now
48:19 and there's actually a little bit of a Android revolution
48:21 going on in the small phone form factor world right now.
48:24 There was a a startup that just launched like a square
48:26 Android phone that everyone's been talking about for last couple days.
48:29 There's the Clicks Communicator.
48:31 You know, I have to give my little Disclaimer David.
48:33 Disclaimer.
48:34 Disclaimer.
48:34 He was my roommate.
48:36 And then there's there's just like a number of weird
48:38 form factors that are starting to come out in the Android
48:40 space and the current version of Android is specifically tailored
48:44 to just kind of like grow and shrink and change.
48:47 And I think that there's always going to be a market there.
48:49 The question is is it enough to mass manufacture a product like this.
48:53 That's why we always see these companies releasing a small
48:56 phone for like one to two years and then like well, same result as last time.
49:00 Nobody wants to buy it.
49:01 That's I think that's the key is the how big
49:04 is the market cuz I think when you talk about small,
49:06 especially small smartphones,
49:07 it's one of the most interesting segments in tech because if you ask people,
49:13 they all say yes, we want a small smartphone.
49:16 We all want We all want a smaller smartphone.
49:19 And then when they put it on sale,
49:21 the bell curve is all people trying to get the biggest phone they possibly can.
49:25 Yeah.
49:25 And so it will be startups.
49:28 It will be small market stuff,
49:30 but the bigger companies are finding out that it isn't worth it to develop
49:34 a separate small phone when such a few amount of people actually buy it.
49:39 So it's a sad thing, but I agree.
49:41 I want that ZenFone back.
49:43 Like I love that phone, but it it does seem like it is more niche than
49:48 the super big companies are willing to put that effort in.
49:51 Yeah.
49:52 I want to try and rapid-fire a few because we got
49:53 a lot of people who want questions and my guess is minutes.
49:57 13 minutes, okay.
49:57 13 minutes, okay.
49:58 Sorry to cut you off, Andrew, but I miss small phones, too.
50:01 Yeah, and you own an iPhone,
50:02 so you're the worst person I could have cut off, but That's fine.
50:04 Sorry.
50:04 Anyway, what up here in the front?
50:07 Hey guys, hi.
50:08 Uh nice to meet you.
50:09 By the way, Mark, I thought you are way shorter for a while
50:12 because of the photos you take with Justine and Saf of the Apple.
50:16 And my question Oh, the Saf photos, I forgot.
50:20 Uh do you Did you guys ever notice or did you guys ever have
50:23 an inconvenience or notice a bug that was like so small and so inconvenient,
50:28 but you still remember and it still annoys you to this day?
50:33 It we The podcast went live an hour ago,
50:34 but we just got done talking about this.
50:37 There is I've tested 300 cars at this point and Andrew's
50:42 car has a feature that I've never seen in any other car,
50:46 which is when you change the volume,
50:48 a full-screen volume knob takes over the entire screen to show you your volume.
50:54 So, whatever navigation, music, whatever was going on, disappears and it says,
50:59 "Here's your volume." That's insane.
51:01 I've never seen that before.
51:03 I brought that up on this week's episode.
51:04 Hopefully, you all listen to it after to talk about for like
51:07 2 minutes and I think half an hour into the episode,
51:09 we're still complaining about it.
51:10 So, that's like my my biggest annoyance right now is that Yeah.
51:15 I I have an Android TV,
51:17 but the way that it works is it's a projector and then there's an Android
51:20 TV box that goes in the projector
51:22 and they have two separate volumes for some reason,
51:25 but you can only access one and it's kind of just like quantum,
51:30 which one decides to get picked.
51:32 Like one At one point, it's like, "Oh, the volume's maxed at 25,
51:35 but you can't hear it at all." And then you have
51:36 to turn it off and turn it back on and then maybe,
51:39 if you flip a coin, maybe you'll be able to turn the volume up.
51:42 Oh my god.
51:43 there needs to be a unified system there.
51:45 That's just put on it, bro.
51:47 Yeah, maybe Claude can handle it for me.
51:48 All right, next question.
51:51 Oh, hi.
51:51 Thanks for what you're doing here.
51:54 I actually wanted to ask about about phones, accessory phone devices.
51:59 I think I'm just trying to search what the name of the latest one was,
52:02 but I just saw an article about how
52:05 people are getting like devices with their phones,
52:10 like they you know, they don't have to pull out their phone.
52:12 I don't know if you've heard of those devices.
52:13 Like an accessory phone, yeah.
52:14 It looks like the communicator was the one in that article.
52:17 What's closer in your estimation?
52:20 What do you think of them?
52:22 Yeah, I The Palm phone, baby.
52:24 Palm.
52:24 Hard sell for me.
52:26 Well, Steph Curry had the Palm phone, so it was pretty sweet.
52:29 I don't know I I kind of like the Clicks Communicator as just a phone.
52:33 It looks interesting.
52:34 I don't think I'm Marques is a two-phone person already,
52:37 so maybe that's something you could do.
52:40 That part of the accessory is meant for working and more keyboards,
52:44 and as a keyboard lover you'd think I would like it,
52:46 but phone keyboards don't interest me that much.
52:49 I think the most difficult thing about this is text message forwarding.
52:52 Is that like if I'm taking a phone for the weekend,
52:55 generally it can have data, but it doesn't have my phone number.
52:59 And if everyone would just get on Telegram, then it would be easier.
53:02 Signal.
53:04 Or Signal.
53:04 Yeah, probably Signal's better, I know,
53:06 but I know, but Telegram has animations and stickers.
53:11 So, yeah, I mean, I would I'd love the idea
53:13 of being able to take something for just the weekend,
53:15 but if people can't communicate with me,
53:17 and that's even my concern about the Clicks Communicator, too.
53:19 It's like it's a communication phone.
53:21 Yes, it's great for Signal, and it's great for Telegram,
53:23 it's great for Slack, but if people are texting me,
53:25 which in the United States, people still text you a lot,
53:29 it's kind of hard to justify something like that.
53:32 Totally agree.
53:33 I think it has to be your same phone number.
53:35 Yeah.
53:35 Just use WhatsApp.
53:36 No.
53:37 No.
53:38 I I was using a minimal phone for a few
53:41 weeks last year until I met my girlfriend
53:45 and then decided to switch back to my iPhone because
53:47 I thought I was less funny on a physical keyboard.
53:51 So, that's my opinion.
53:52 We have one question.
53:53 Right.
53:54 We should redo that worst takes question.
53:58 Yeah, I think we shift two votes over to me for that one.
54:00 We get it, Ellis.
54:01 You got a girlfriend.
54:03 Hey y'all.
54:04 It's a lovely to meet you all.
54:05 Thank you, Ellis.
54:07 Um I love you all and the entire studio.
54:08 Thank you.
54:09 Um I think I have a couple things to say.
54:11 I think I will let open access my ex's text messages.
54:15 Maybe you can do something I can't.
54:17 That's just That's just me.
54:19 Um I want to know if I want to know what
54:22 your pre-production pipeline looks like cuz I find that pretty fascinating.
54:26 And also from me to y'all,
54:27 from filmmaker to content creators, could we, the film industry,
54:31 sway y'all to change from 30 FPS to 20 He will get off the stage.
54:36 No.
54:37 Cuz I think by default it is the best
54:41 FPS and should remain the default and best.
54:44 Martin, let's talk.
54:45 Let's talk.
54:45 Let's talk.
54:46 Let's talk.
54:47 Can I get a Can I just get why?
54:50 It's just To me, it's just the most natural.
54:52 It's just You You have films that's 24 FPS.
54:55 It's just way more natural.
54:57 Mhm.
54:58 To me, that's just I just like it like Valid.
55:00 Valid, okay.
55:02 All right, you know, well, okay.
55:04 So, the pre-production stuff.
55:07 Our pre-production is We've gotten it pretty streamlined over the years,
55:10 which is very exciting to me, someone who loves efficiency.
55:15 I talk about the octopus analogy all the time.
55:17 I don't know if you've heard it before,
55:18 but I think everyone who starts a YouTube channel
55:21 or really any creative endeavor kind of turns into an octopus,
55:24 where you're doing a lot.
55:25 You're on camera, you're also the editor,
55:27 you're also managing the thumbnails and still graphics,
55:31 and you're also doing all of the back end and the emails and the accounting,
55:33 and you're doing everything.
55:35 And our job as a creator or a dream is to be
55:39 able to like cut an arm off and like hand it
55:41 to someone and have a small team around you that can
55:43 kind of help with doing the things that they're really good at.
55:45 And we've done that, which is really exciting.
55:48 So I can do my job, which is writing, testing the tech.
55:52 So I find that that's been, you know, my best way of visualizing it.
55:56 That said, 30 FPS is definitely the move and I'll tell you why.
56:02 It looks So I I used to do a lot of uh slow
56:06 pans in my videos and a lot of little slow orbits in videos,
56:09 especially cuz I'm trying to show you a gadget
56:11 or a thing so you can see it before you hold it.
56:16 And anything under 30 to my eye, when I start doing those slow pans,
56:21 I start seeing a little bit of shutter, a little bit of stutter.
56:26 And that was enough for me to go, "Okay, I can't do 24.
56:29 It's got to be at least 30." Then the argument for like 60 and above
56:32 30 comes in and that looks a little bit surreal and video game-y to me.
56:38 So that's how I land on 30 being
56:40 the like ultimate perfect tech review frame rate.
56:43 If I ever do a short film, I might reconsider,
56:45 but I'm probably going to default at 30.
56:47 Probably probably going to stick with I started doing 30 for the exact same
56:50 reason because good fluid heads that were
56:52 affordable for a college student did not exist.
56:55 And I just saw this kind of jumpiness and my Now my take,
56:59 which I heard from someone else, I'm just jacking it from them,
57:01 is that TV is 30 and YouTube is TV, so YouTube should be 30.
57:08 I'll throw one more really quick thing in there.
57:09 Pre-production, we have we're really efficient with just because
57:13 of we've all been doing it for so long now.
57:15 Post-production, one thing we're really trying to work on lately is we have
57:18 so many videos coming out of our studio because of the different channels,
57:22 we're really trying to have multiple eyes on it
57:24 as much as possible because just when you're you're hitting upload,
57:27 it's going out to millions of people, we We need to catch things.
57:31 And one thing we're really trying to work on is fact-checking,
57:34 making sure we're not breaking embargoes and stuff.
57:36 Just lots of different things in there.
57:38 Um other than that, if you haven't watched Year in the Life yet,
57:41 it definitely has a lot of our pre-production stuff in there.
57:43 It's It's been in cuz you know,
57:45 we're not We don't make a lot of those mistakes as period,
57:48 but as we've ramped up all the different
57:50 channels and we're making so much more stuff,
57:52 it's been this unexpected like, "Oh,
57:54 this is actually going to take a lot more time than we we
57:56 would have expected." Um can I just get a quick time check, guys?
58:00 5:23.
58:01 Perfect.
58:02 Question back here.
58:03 Sweet.
58:04 Thank you guys so much.
58:05 I've been a fan since middle school,
58:06 and to put things in perspective, I graduated college 4 years ago.
58:11 I guess I'm old now.
58:13 Um my question is what's your guys' thoughts
58:16 on how successful Android XR is going to be?
58:18 Do you think it's going to be have a similar marketplace like
58:21 Meta Ray Ban or is it going to be something like Vision OS,
58:25 which no one really uses?
58:27 Hey, they just did the flight simulator thing.
58:29 Anyone see that?
58:30 No?
58:30 Okay, no one really XR, we talking about like the the OS?
58:34 The Oh, the whole OS and like thinking of going
58:36 into glasses and stuff like that later and Yeah,
58:39 I think the Google Glass 2 3 actually,
58:43 cuz they already did Google Glass 2, is going to use it.
58:46 I think Android XR is just going to be similar to Android where
58:49 it needs to be able to fit a number of different form factors.
58:53 I think there'll be a very small use case for like the VR goggles,
58:56 but ultimately what they want to look forward to is the regular glasses.
59:00 That's what everyone is realizing now is going to be like the future use case.
59:05 I think the the reason that Google has not actually released anything yet is
59:08 because it wants to skip over the whole step that Apple kind of stumbled over.
59:12 You know, Apple thought, "Oh,
59:13 we can just put you in a VR headset that's sort of also the world around you,
59:17 but we should just have like a clear glasses display with extra information,
59:22 ambient information." What Google Glass 1 was in the first place.
59:26 Just want to say, they're 10 years too early.
59:29 Um But yeah, I think I don't know.
59:31 As a platform, I think it's going to be more about that singular use case,
59:34 even though Google is always about making one
59:37 platform able to jump around to multiple different circumstances.
59:41 Yeah.
59:41 I think just for that reason alone, the ceiling for it is higher than Vision OS
59:44 because there's the philosophy of like make this incredible
59:48 headset that you are in all the time and then
59:50 make it smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller,
59:52 or start with something like glasses and then
59:54 make it more and more capable, more capable.
59:56 And it turns out the glasses thing is what people are more gravitating towards,
1:00:00 so I think we're going to see more of that.
1:00:03 Do we have time for one more?
1:00:04 Yep, 3 minutes.
1:00:07 Maybe two.
1:00:07 Hi Nitish.
1:00:08 Nice to see you again.
1:00:10 That's a whole different deep cut all together.
1:00:12 Yeah.
1:00:12 Good seeing you again.
1:00:13 Yeah.
1:00:14 First of all, I wanted to say that you
1:00:16 guys said a lot of stuff about the Vision,
1:00:19 the MacBook Ultra last year, and the other Siri stuff.
1:00:23 So you said that last year on South by stage it happened this year.
1:00:25 So maybe I think you should say things so
1:00:27 Apple adds that to the development pipeline for next year.
1:00:30 So that might be a thing.
1:00:31 What I wanted to ask is that we have a lot of phones with AI now,
1:00:34 almost every phone, and every company is
1:00:37 trying to do different things, mostly with Gemini.
1:00:39 And yesterday also, the Gemini integration
1:00:42 for phone use came out yesterday morning.
1:00:45 So how much of that stuff do you actually use in your day-to-day,
1:00:47 and has it helped you or made things worse for you?
1:00:52 Yeah, I think Gemini is quite useful in kind of all of its contexts right now.
1:00:58 The actual phone use thing is only on the S26 Ultra right now,
1:01:02 so only people who have that phone can even try it.
1:01:04 And I think right now it's still limited
1:01:06 to like calling an Uber and doing Uber Eats.
1:01:09 Pixels too, I think.
1:01:10 Is that on Pixels as well?
1:01:11 Pixels are going to get or might be out for Pixels as well, yeah.
1:01:14 Yeah.
1:01:14 So I I think Gemini is just kind
1:01:17 of trying to entrench itself into all of Google.
1:01:20 Like they've said multiple times that Gemini is basically
1:01:22 the new OS and I think we're seeing that.
1:01:24 Every new Android launch is just about
1:01:26 Gemini and it will become the entire platform.
1:01:29 So whether you or not you want to start using AI in your phone,
1:01:33 it's just going to be the phone at a certain period of time.
1:01:36 Whether or not we actually, you know, just go let it buy something on Amazon
1:01:40 for you without actually checking it first,
1:01:42 that's going to be a whole different story that we're
1:01:44 probably going to cover in length once we get there.
1:01:47 I think after the next little bit it'll be about Gemini.
1:01:50 Yeah.
1:01:52 Yeah.
1:01:52 I don't use a lot of AI stuff.
1:01:53 I'm still I feel like it's making my regular Google Home worse.
1:01:58 Uh cuz I just feel like they forgot about all of that stuff,
1:02:00 but uh I use the Gemini stuff a little bit to brainstorm.
1:02:04 It's just fun to chat with a brainstorm like an early video concept.
1:02:07 Can we do one more in 1:15?
1:02:09 My the action button on my phone uh opens does a cloud chat.
1:02:14 It's a It's here.
1:02:15 Do we have time for one more in the back?
1:02:16 How much time do we have?
1:02:17 Can we rapid fire?
1:02:18 Let's rapid fire.
1:02:18 Let's go.
1:02:19 One more?
1:02:19 Yeah.
1:02:20 Uh quick question.
1:02:21 What are you guys' predictions for the PC space by 2030?
1:02:25 How are people going to use personal computers?
1:02:27 Depends on pricing probably at this point.
1:02:31 I Yeah.
1:02:33 It's kind of wild seeing how much Apple has
1:02:36 gained ground in the last two or three years.
1:02:38 Microsoft is, you know, they're kind of just forfeiting a lot of the personal
1:02:43 computer space to Apple and Microsoft is really,
1:02:46 really entrenched in the business communication side of things
1:02:49 and with the with server sales and things like that.
1:02:51 And obviously Lenovo issues tons and tons of computers to different industries,
1:02:56 but um I don't know.
1:02:57 It just seems like they don't care as much about the consumer side
1:03:00 and the there's a huge shift that's
1:03:04 happening um in the personal computer side overall.
1:03:07 What?
1:03:07 One minute warning.
1:03:08 Can we do one more right here?
1:03:10 Okay.
1:03:10 I think this is the last one.
1:03:11 I'm sorry.
1:03:11 Last one.
1:03:12 Yep.
1:03:13 Okay.
1:03:14 Hello.
1:03:14 Um so YouTube and other platforms have been trying
1:03:19 to push more AI production tools into their platforms
1:03:24 and I think the general consensus of actual content
1:03:29 watchers don't really like to engage with AI content.
1:03:33 So my question is who do you assume is actually consuming AI content?
1:03:38 I know that we've seen like open AI try to make like slop content.
1:03:45 Yeah, of a platform.
1:03:46 So who do you think is actually watching this AI content or are
1:03:50 they just trying to grasp at straws and and hoping something sticks?
1:03:54 I can I can sort of end it with my take on the AI content thing.
1:03:58 I think I think the shape of AI content
1:04:01 is one of these of like viewership of it.
1:04:03 I think right now it's ramping up really quickly because the tools
1:04:06 are super available and the barrier to entry is super low.
1:04:10 And it's super novel.
1:04:11 So people see an AI video and they go, "Oh my god,
1:04:13 this is AI." and they actually watch it
1:04:14 and they share it and it's interesting and it's spiking.
1:04:17 But I do also think and maybe this is
1:04:19 naive and it won't play out the way I think,
1:04:20 but I think that people will ultimately want to watch human-made stuff.
1:04:26 They value the human connection.
1:04:28 They want the effort that a human puts into something and they
1:04:31 want to reward that and watch that and that's more interesting.
1:04:34 And I think once we get over the novelty hump,
1:04:37 I think content, whether it's vlogs or reviews or whatever it is,
1:04:41 starts to be prioritized as like I want to watch the human
1:04:44 version and then it goes to the other side of that.
1:04:46 So that's what I think.
1:04:49 connections.
1:04:49 Yeah.
1:04:49 Yeah.
1:04:50 Woo!
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