Heinz CEO DIRE WARNING: People Running Out Of Money

Heinz CEO DIRE WARNING: People Running Out Of Money

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0:00 The economy is certainly headed in a very dangerous direction as well.

0:03 No question about it.

0:04 Republicans right now saying bombing might have to begin once more,

0:07 but the American people are obviously not on board with the war,

0:10 have not been on board with the war from the beginning.

0:13 And the question is still whether the American

0:15 people are making up their mind on the war

0:17 with accurate information is now front and center

0:20 because of a new well, some new reporting.

0:22 There's been some significant new reporting actually on this front.

0:25 Do we know how much the war is actually costing?

0:30 Let's put this New York Times tear sheet up on the screen.

0:33 It's a headline.

0:34 Hegseth says this war has cost $25 billion.

0:39 up the true amount.

0:40 This is from Justin Wolfers,

0:42 obviously professor public policy at the University of Michigan.

0:46 And Wolfers wrote in the Times, quote,

0:49 "The Defense Department says the conflict with Iran has cost $25

0:51 billion so far." He says this tally significantly understates the true cost.

0:56 By my calculations, the bill for a typical American household

0:59 likely runs to thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars.

1:05 He says, "Yes, that's a wide range.

1:07 Blame the economic fog of war." But man, Crystal,

1:11 these numbers right now as they become more and more pronounced

1:16 and obvious in the media and the American people are paying

1:20 more at the pump and then looking at exactly how much

1:23 more debt we're going into to fund the war per person.

1:27 So, it's not even just I think first and foremost for most people,

1:29 it's about prices increasing and what you're seeing every day on the table,

1:33 but then just the the long-term ramifications for your own budget

1:39 as a as an American and American family because of this.

1:43 As that becomes more and more obvious, I mean, let's put B2 up on the screen.

1:47 And it becomes more obvious in people's everyday lives.

1:49 This is the Kraft Heinz CEO who said in an interview this this last week,

1:54 quote, "They're literally running out of money at the end of the month.

1:58 We're seeing negative cash flows in the low

2:01 lower income brackets where they're dipping into savings.

2:05 So, just about what you're already seeing in consumer patterns." We're what,

2:10 2 months into this thing?

2:11 2 and 1/2 months into this thing and even if it were to hypothetically,

2:15 someone waves a magic wand and today,

2:19 the economy is not just going to get better.

2:21 It's turning the Titanic around at this point, Crystal.

2:23 So, heading into the midterms,

2:25 Trump is poised to lose what little support for the war he has left.

2:29 The more we see of this.

2:30 We haven't really even seen the beginning here in the United States.

2:33 Or I should say we've probably just seen the beginning,

2:35 just the tip of the iceberg.

2:37 This is about to get much, much worse.

2:39 Yeah, that's absolutely the case and Americans famously, you know,

2:43 already don't have a lot of savings, don't have a lot of margin for error.

2:48 So, when you have the specter of gas prices

2:51 going up and up and up day after day,

2:54 week after week after week with no end in sight.

2:57 You know, people in elites in DC, policy makers,

3:00 they may not be feeling the pinch yet, but I can promise you, I can promise you,

3:05 ordinary Americans, for them it's already a crisis.

3:09 And that's what you see reflected there in the comments from the Kroger CEO.

3:12 I always pay very close attention to those things,

3:14 you know, we've covered before.

3:15 McDonald's CEO saying, "Hey, you know,

3:17 people are just skipping breakfast now." And not

3:19 that we're celebrating people getting breakfast from McDonald's,

3:21 although I am personally a big McGriddle fan, but we'll put that aside.

3:25 But, when people are just saying,

3:27 "I I'm just not doing this at all." That's a very dire sign.

3:31 Um, I wanted to go back just briefly to that that estimate

3:34 from Justin Wolfers because I think it's so significant.

3:37 He says not only does the cost directly to each American

3:40 family total in the thousands to tens of thousands of dollars,

3:44 but when you look at the total cost of this war and you factor in, as you said,

3:48 the increase in the cost to service our debt,

3:51 which has already gone up significantly.

3:53 When you factor in new disability benefits

3:56 and mental health problems for veterans who are serving,

3:59 God forbid if we do go in some sort of a ground invasion,

4:02 those sorts of costs are going to escalate.

4:05 When you think about repairing all the damages

4:07 of those bases that have been obliterated, destroyed,

4:11 if we even decide we're going to go back

4:12 in there and fix them and and, you know,

4:14 take up those positions in the region again, which I think is a big question.

4:17 But, those are huge, huge costs.

4:20 Then you think about the economic costs day-to-day of the oil markets,

4:24 the gas prices going up, the way that fuels inflation.

4:28 And he says, "25 billion is an insane lowball." This is his quote,

4:33 "The best any economist can do right now is get the order of magnitude right,

4:36 and my math suggests the Iran war will cost

4:38 hundreds of billions of dollars and very possibly trillions.

4:43 Trillions of dollars for this folly, for this, you know,

4:47 so far 40-day and counting folly." He says, "War is hell,

4:52 and hell comes with a hefty price tag." So,

4:55 that is what this president has signed us up for.

4:58 Yeah, and I also wanted to go back to Wolfer's

5:00 just on another point about what's happening in the market.

5:02 So, before we go back to Wolfer's, let's put up this next tear sheet.

5:06 This is before.

5:07 This is a quote from a Financial Times article.

5:11 Yeah, where the you have a a banker speaking anonymously to FT saying,

5:15 "Does anyone really care if the Strait of Hormuz is open?" Now, Oh my god.

5:20 Wolfer's article, he writes,

5:22 "Wall Street is worried despite the market touching new highs.

5:24 Every time the president takes a more belligerent stance, stocks tank,

5:28 suggesting that investors think this conflict will

5:30 undermine the value of leading US companies.

5:33 My estimate, based on the movement of oil prices along with the S&P 500,

5:36 is that stocks are about 5% lower than they otherwise would be,

5:39 suggesting that the war has wiped out about 3 trillion off

5:42 3 trillion dollars off the value of these companies." And Crystal,

5:45 the contrast between Wolfer's, I think,

5:47 reading what's happened in Wall Street pretty accurately and one

5:51 banker just talking about how Wall Street is riding

5:55 this AI boom for now for now is pretty

5:59 interesting cuz it kind of depends on your vantage point.

6:03 If you're like if you're worried about the market as a whole

6:07 or what it means for average Americans or what it means for your returns.

6:11 I guess you're probably thinking of this world differently depending

6:14 on that vantage point because if you're cool to just coast off

6:18 of the AI boom as opposed to being like an average American

6:21 who really does have to worry about what's happening in the S&P 500.

6:25 That is a pretty different vantage point.

6:28 Just extraordinary.

6:29 Yeah, and it wasn't just that one person.

6:32 Apparently there was a sort of rough poll show of hands about hey,

6:36 do you think the stock market is going to end up

6:38 even further on the year or do you think it's going

6:40 to end down from where we are right now and the overwhelming

6:43 consensus was that the line was going to continue to go up.

6:46 The headline describes it as blissful ignorance and look,

6:51 I think this is proof positive that the stock market is

6:55 not only divorced from the reality of what ordinary Americans lives are.

7:00 It is a negative indicator.

7:02 The more the stock market goes up often

7:04 times in recent years it's been because oh,

7:07 we did a bunch of layoffs because we can use AI to replace a bunch of workers.

7:10 Like that is what they're betting on.

7:12 When you we talk about this big bet on AI,

7:15 it's not just oh, the technology is going to help us cure cancer whatever.

7:18 No, what they are betting on is that AI is going

7:21 to be we're able to replace a large number of human beings.

7:25 That is the bet.

7:27 Now, will that bet pay off or not?

7:28 It's not entirely clear.

7:30 I think that in some ways it will.

7:32 You could also have a major bubble pop when

7:35 one company succeeds and the rest of them fail etc.

7:37 There are a lot of dire outcomes that could

7:39 come from this, but I think it's very important

7:42 to understand that largely largely at this point when

7:46 the stock market goes up given the large bet on AI,

7:51 that is a negative indicator for the well-being of Americans.

7:55 And so, yeah, if you're in the top 0.01% as these individuals, you know,

8:00 hanging out at the this Milken gathering as they would as they would likely be,

8:06 the little more gas prices at the pump.

8:08 Yeah, you don't care about that.

8:09 Who Who cares if the straight of farmers is so bad?

8:11 It's not really affecting my life.

8:12 I haven't changed my consumption habits.

8:14 So, they are blissfully oblivious to what the reality is and they don't care.

8:20 I mean, they genuinely don't care about the way

8:24 that this will cause ordinary people to struggle and suffer.

8:27 Now, I think they're somewhat delusional that look,

8:31 at the end of day, do you need some kind of consumer base?

8:35 At the end of the day, you do need to avoid some sort of revolutionary fervor,

8:39 which is very much increasingly on the table,

8:41 especially the more they push things in this direction.

8:44 But, for today, apparently, they're feeling pretty good, huh?

8:46 Yeah, but we have another indicator from Costco.

8:49 Let's put this up on the screen.

8:50 This is the Costco CFO who is saying

8:56 that members are basically switching from beef to chicken.

8:59 Actually, I'm just going to read this whole quote cuz it's very interesting.

9:02 By the way, not just in this current quote recession or concern for recession,

9:05 he said, "Historically, we've always seen some like within fresh protein,

9:08 we've always seen when there's a recession, whether it was '99, 2000, '09, '08,

9:12 '09, '10, we would see some sales

9:14 penetration shift from beef to poultry and pork.

9:17 We have seen some of that now.

9:18 I think anecdotally, I heard a few months ago from our head

9:21 of food and sundries buyer that we saw some

9:23 switch even from some to some canned products like

9:26 canned chicken and canned tuna and things like that.

9:29 So, again, just to emphasize, this is the really the tip of the iceberg

9:33 in terms of in price inflation that we're likely to see.

9:36 If the war were to end today, hypothetically,

9:39 that a lot of these prices would still

9:41 be spiking for the months ahead and there's already

9:45 what feels like I mean we had Rohit Chopra

9:47 on last week from the head of the CFPB,

9:49 Crystal, to talk about the circular funding in a lot

9:52 of AI companies actually just in AI in general, the entire structure,

9:57 which is now like 30% of the S&P 500 is the mag seven companies,

10:01 which is actually really horrifying because if you

10:03 have investments from Nvidia to Microsoft and Microsoft

10:06 to Nvidia and that sort of thing

10:08 and they're not anticipating particular shift in the market

10:12 or they just haven't they don't have it

10:13 as a a high likelihood they haven't priced

10:15 it in exactly as they probably should be

10:17 doing and everything starts dissolving in front of us.

10:22 What could happen economically, what could happen culturally,

10:25 we are not prepared for what we could be seeing in the next 6 months,

10:29 year, 2 years just right on the cusp

10:32 of something potentially catastrophic, I think at least.

10:35 I mean I I hope that's not the case, but also all of this is going to amount

10:39 to more and more spending from the US government,

10:42 which I think a lot of people on the right were correct to point to.

10:45 I mean yes, you have greedflation that's absolutely already taking place.

10:49 There's no question about it.

10:49 You see it sometimes in the earnings calls showing up,

10:52 but also the government spending is going to cause average people who

10:57 now are losing jobs because of the AI boom to spend more.

11:03 They think prices are going to go up.

11:05 Like that's how this works and so it's just a complete mess,

11:09 a complete mess from the administration that was

11:11 elected on a pledge to stop inflation,

11:14 to bring inflation or to to halt the growth

11:17 at least of inflation and is now back

11:19 up to about the inflation level month about

11:23 the monthly inflation level as when Trump took office.

11:27 It's around 3% in January of 2025.

11:31 So any improvement that was made has been reversed effectively.

11:35 Tax cuts, too.

11:36 We've Have you seen the the calculations that what average people are coming

11:39 are getting from their tax cuts has been erased by gas price increases?

11:42 Yeah.

11:43 Well, and I learned from you that they were really betting

11:45 hard on uh the the everything's going to turn around for us.

11:48 Once people see their tax bill and they get getting their tax breaks,

11:51 then that's going to save us.

11:52 And guess what?

11:53 Here it is May.

11:54 People know what they're getting in terms of their refund,

11:57 and they're not feeling the love here.

11:59 They're not feeling like this is going great than whatsoever.

12:02 Yeah, zooming out, it's just a very volatile mix.

12:05 You've got this AI backlash both at the ground level in terms of data centers.

12:11 You've got deep concerns about the way they want to replace

12:15 labor if this technology is anything like what they say,

12:19 even if in the long term.

12:21 The most hopeful, optimistic projections, which I don't believe,

12:24 but let's give it to them that over the long term,

12:26 it's going to cause more job creation than it is job loss.

12:30 In the immediate to medium term, like go look at the Industrial Revolution,

12:34 how long it took for in in the developed world, right?

12:38 In the places that really ended up

12:39 being net beneficiaries of the Industrial Revolution,

12:42 it took over 100 years Mhm.

12:45 for all of that to ripple through the economy.

12:48 It's not like you just flip a switch.

12:50 It's going to be extremely disruptive and extremely

12:53 painful if anything approaching what they promise comes true.

12:57 And if it if it doesn't come true, then you've got the biggest bubble probably

13:00 in human history that's been inflated here.

13:02 I mean, the amount of money that's being

13:04 spent on these data centers is utterly, utterly insane.

13:08 So, you've got that.

13:10 You have in addition to the labor displacement,

13:13 obviously that is going to lead to a further spiraling of vast inequality,

13:20 again, of the the worst that we've probably ever seen in human history.

13:24 You have an extraordinarily volatile political climate and a an empire

13:29 here that is coming unglued and that part

13:32 of why it's coming unglued at this point is because

13:34 of this disastrous war that the population did not want,

13:39 does not want, that has now been decisively lost from a strategic

13:43 perspective and it's imposing massive daily costs on the American people.

13:49 I mean, it's it's a pressure cooker, Emily.

13:51 That's the only way you could put it.

13:52 It is an absolute pressure cooker and obviously we talked to Professor every

13:56 week here because we found his insights on the escalation trap very valuable.

14:00 He's also writing a book on the likelihood of political violence

14:04 and we need to have a conversation with him about that as well

14:07 because he's deeply concerned about the confluence of some of these events

14:11 and the way that they contribute to a rising trend of political violence.

14:15 I think I mentioned this last week but my final thought

14:17 here is Rod Dreher has been he's a Orthodox Christian conservative who's

14:21 been working on a book about Weimar America sort of drawing up

14:25 parallels between Weimar Germany and what we're seeing in America right now.

14:31 Just any like cultural indicators looking at some

14:33 of that and economic indicators and looking at that stuff

14:36 and he finished it a couple of weeks ago and said in his newsletter on Substack

14:39 basically that he believes the one thing that would

14:43 really be the tipping point from America as we

14:45 know it today to something much much darker

14:48 including more political violence would be an economic crisis.

14:52 And cuz I feel like people sense that.

14:54 I don't think it's you you have to write a manuscript on this and I'm not saying

14:58 of course not making the cliche apples to apples

15:02 parallel between Weimar Germany itself and what came after

15:04 in America and what might come after but obviously

15:07 when you have economies as you just laid out

15:10 with this level of instability and precarity you could

15:14 go to some dark places really really really quickly.

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