The Crisis of Modern Masculinity | Scott Galloway & Dr. Andrew Huberman

0:00 there's the this idea that there're good men

0:02 and there're bad men and there're really bad men.

0:05 Totally agree.

0:07 I you know, I'm I've got the optics of a you know,

0:10 macaque monkey blindfolded on LSD when it

0:12 comes to certain thing members of our species,

0:15 but when it comes to men, I grew up in a big group of boys etc.

0:18 big group of men.

0:19 I get it.

0:19 That statement is true.

0:20 There're great ones, there're ones and then there're like really bad dudes.

0:25 So when you talk about manosphere, you know,

0:27 the I would say it the if I had my way,

0:32 manosphere would apply to just the really bad ones

0:34 because that name has become synonymous with really bad men.

0:37 Okay, we can come back to that perhaps, but there is this issue that no

0:41 one is allowed to say there's wonderful femininity,

0:45 there's women with issues, right?

0:48 And then there's bad women.

0:49 You're not allowed to say it.

0:50 The only women that I can have that conversation with are lesbians.

0:54 They were the ones who explained to me there are truly bad women.

0:57 And I said, "Well, how come no one talks

0:58 about that except lesbians?" Cuz and they said, "Ah,

1:02 because we are living in a time now where men talking about women

1:06 or having things they wish for women to do differently itself is seen as toxic.

1:12 That they've that women feel this is what I was told,

1:14 so I'm regurgitating that they've suffered so much at the hands of men that we

1:18 need like a good 20 or 30 years before we're ready to get to that conversation.

1:22 Which of course for young men growing up

1:24 just pull like makes them feel like, "Okay,

1:26 it's all it's all on us." And that's good

1:29 like agency advocacy for one's own life is important.

1:32 Stay out of the really bad men category

1:34 and ideally the not so good men category, too.

1:37 But this the the polarization I think is set

1:40 by the fact that sure we can talk about toxic max masculinity,

1:43 we can talk about the male crisis,

1:45 but why aren't we talking about the suicide rate?

1:47 Well, because women's issues were I think

1:50 at a in a good way we're still thinking that we need to protect and provide

1:54 for the women and the children in our society.

1:56 We're holding that as in the highest regard.

1:57 Like those they get the lifeboats on the Titanic uh when the Titanic goes down.

2:01 So, you know, it's it's it's complicated and there's

2:05 a lot of off-limits terms and I'm glad that they're coming

2:07 up today just organically because those off-limits terms I think

2:12 are the potential bridges between the where we sit now,

2:16 where we look at men and we go, "Shit, they're a mess.

2:19 There's some of them are just like downright

2:21 awful." And we're here and we go, "Man,

2:23 they're really dissatisfied." The assumption is if a woman is

2:26 dissatisfied or somehow not doing well, that a man failed.

2:30 That's a presumption that a lot of people make.

2:32 I don't make that presumption.

2:34 And I can look back to the times

2:35 in my youth where 90s narrative probably fed that a bit,

2:39 but now I think we we need to really like pull back the veil and go like,

2:43 "Who are like take a real hard look at ourselves and try and you know,

2:47 do this mesh that we're talking about." only way you get there is with data.

2:50 So, from 1945 to 2000,

2:52 America registered a third of the world's economic growth,

2:55 a third of its prosperity with only 5% of the population.

2:58 So, we had 6x the growth of the rest of the world, right?

3:02 And within that 6x, the majority of that prosperity was

3:06 sequestered to the 1/3 of the population that were white,

3:08 male, and heterosexual.

3:10 It was just a lot harder to participate

3:12 in that uplift if you weren't in that group.

3:15 So, men of my generation born with my sexual orientation, skin color,

3:20 and gender arguably had 15 to 18x the wins in their sails.

3:25 The question is should a young man now pay the price for my privilege?

3:29 And I understand the gag reflex when I start talking

3:32 or advocating for men cuz they look at me and they said,

3:34 "You had an unfair advantage." 100% guilty as charged.

3:38 But now a young man who is four times as likely to kill himself,

3:41 three times as likely to be addicted, 12 times as likely to be incarcerated,

3:45 and men of my generation aren't stepping up and providing

3:47 the mentorship or voting for the programs that might

3:50 take a little bit of money away from my generation

3:52 to support all young people and bring them up.

3:55 And most of the programs and policies I

3:56 advocate for would would advocate for all young people.

4:00 The average 7-year-old is 72% wealthier than the 7-year-old 40 years ago.

4:05 The 25-year-old is 24% less wealthy.

4:07 And then every day it's speedballed

4:09 with 110 notifications telling them that they're failing.

4:12 And what do you know?

4:13 They're the most obese, depressed,

4:15 and anxious generation we've had in a long time.

4:18 And there really isn't an honest conversation and I've

4:21 said this on stage and it gets some pushback.

4:24 I'll say I think women make better managers.

4:27 I think that they are more emotionally in touch with other people.

4:30 They have higher EQ.

4:31 I think they'll probably make better doctors and lawyers.

4:33 I think their attention to detail genetically or or anthropologically,

4:36 whatever you want to call it,

4:38 their bedside manner,

4:39 and there's more women in both law school and medical school now,

4:42 especially medical school.

4:45 If I say that women are better managers will make better doctors, nodding.

4:49 Everyone everyone the women agree and the guys

4:51 will look around and go nod, right?

4:53 If I say men on average make better entrepreneurs,

4:57 and that's not to say that women shouldn't be

4:59 offered the same opportunities and they haven't been, right?

5:02 95% of the capital has been not only allocated to men,

5:05 but the majority of it has been allocated by men who went to one or two schools,

5:08 Harvard and Stanford.

5:10 There's a I don't feel safe around you.

5:11 Who doesn't feel safe around you?

5:13 It's fine to say women are make better X, Y, and Z.

5:16 To say men are better at anything Well,

5:19 if you said it on combat soldiers, I mean, let's be honest, if you said it on X,

5:22 everyone would be like, "Cool." Males make better entrepreneurs.

5:25 If you said it in a room I mean, I again,

5:29 I don't want to make this political, but we can't you know, we can't avoid this.

5:33 You know, if you said it among a more right center to right-leaning crowd,

5:37 I think you'd probably get less pushback also from women.

5:40 I think that's fair.

5:41 it's who you're hanging out with, you know, uh I barely hang out with anybody.

5:45 So, I've got a very small world, but

5:47 Well, but to your point, if you go to the Democratic National website, dnc.org,

5:51 and they changed this, but I talked about this a lot on CNN,

5:56 left-leaning website.

5:57 They they said they have a page saying who

5:59 we serve and they outlined 16 special interest groups,

6:03 veterans, the disabled, black Americans, Native Americans, seniors.

6:07 And I added it up and it was 74% of the population.

6:10 And when you say you're advocating for 74% of the population,

6:13 you're not advocating for 74%, you're discriminating against 26%.

6:17 And basically, the only people they didn't mention were young men.

6:21 So, I understand the notion that men have had so

6:25 much disproportionate advantage that there needs to be a catch-up period,

6:29 but I would argue it's gone a little bit overboard.

6:31 Our school system K through 12, I would argue is biased against boys.

6:35 A boy is twice as likely to be suspended on a behavior-adjusted basis as a girl.

6:40 A black boy five times as likely.

6:41 70 to 80% of K through 12 teachers are women.

6:45 Who do people naturally advocate for?

6:47 The people who remind them of themselves at that age.

6:49 Seven in 10 high school valedictorians are girls.

6:52 It's now 60/40 female/male in college.

6:55 And so, the bottom line is we leveled the playing field and there's

6:57 a little bit of bias and women have totally blown by men.

7:00 Fine, more power to them, but what do we do now that young men just

7:04 quite frankly don't have obvious paths to prosperity and young

7:08 people aren't as economically prosperous relative as they used

7:11 to be and young men are disproportionately evaluated in society,

7:15 especially in the mating market, on their economic viability.

7:18 And I get a ton of pushback saying, "No,

7:20 I'm just looking for an emotionally in touch male." I think that is such total

7:24 There's still economic hypergamy.

7:27 Educational hypergamy has leveled out.

7:29 There's a lot of people who women who will marry a guy

7:32 who didn't go to college or the educational hypergamy has vastly reduced.

7:38 But in cities where women make make as much as men, so there's an equality,

7:42 if you find a couple, twice as many couples,

7:45 the male earns more money than the woman.

7:48 Economic hypergamy is still an absolutely full full force.

7:52 So, if we don't figure out a way to level up all young people economically,

7:57 set them where there's more paths for economic viability for young men,

8:01 I think it's just going to tear at our society.

8:03 We're going to have a lower birth rates,

8:04 fewer people to support the very expensive programs which make up 40%

8:07 of our government spending now on people over the age of 65.

8:11 And we're going to have real issues.

8:12 And people say, "Well, that's repackaged violence.

8:13 The men are more violent." I'm like, "No, it's just the reality.

8:17 If you look at every unstable violent society in history,

8:20 it always has one thing at the core of it and that is

8:22 a group of young men with a lack of economic or romantic opportunities.

8:26 I don't care if it's Weimar Germany or some

8:28 of the most unstable places in the Middle East or Africa.

8:31 When you have the most dangerous person in the world

8:33 is a young man who is lonely and broke.

8:36 And we are producing way too many of them.

8:38 And by the way, I don't think the remedy here is affirmative action for men.

8:41 I just think that's too politicized,

8:43 but we have to stop transferring wealth from people their age to people my age.

8:48 Why the hell are we transferring every year $1.3

8:51 trillion from a generation that is the most anxious,

8:54 depressed, and obese in American history to the wealthiest

8:57 generation in the history of the planet called Social Security?

9:00 That's a third rail in politics.

9:01 I'm not suggesting anyone should die in poverty.

9:04 Should you and I get Social Security?

9:06 No, we don't need it.

9:07 No, I don't need it.

9:08 I don't need it.

9:09 probably a third a third of seniors really don't need Social Security,

9:13 but you get near that, you can't get elected, right?

9:16 40% of all government spending is going to people over the age of 65.

9:21 It's going to be 50% within 10 years.

9:23 We spend more money on ice than we spend on children.

9:26 I mean, it's just there's my generation,

9:29 I don't even think of us I'm I'm on the edge of Gen X baby boomer.

9:33 The best way to describe my generation would be the vampire generation.

9:36 We were never drafted into war.

9:38 We never really had to serve.

9:40 And what is my economic complexion been in America?

9:43 Unprecedented prosperity, but the lowest taxes in in modern history.

9:48 So, a lot of these solutions I just think are common sense.

9:51 We need to do away Social Security tax, right?

9:54 6% up to 160,000.

9:56 So, a kid working for me making 150 or 160k, good living, they pay $9,000.

10:01 I make a lot more than that, I pay $9,000.

10:04 Because it tops out at 160 grand.

10:06 Why does that make any sense?

10:08 Who Two biggest tax deductions, mortgage interest rate and capital gains.

10:11 Who owns homes and stocks?

10:12 People our age.

10:14 Who rents and makes their money from current income?

10:16 All the dudes in this office, the young kids, right?

10:19 We are literally transferring trillions of dollars

10:21 from young people to old people.

10:23 And we wonder why young men feel anxious when they are disparate.

10:26 But 75% of women say economic viability is key to a mate.

10:29 It's only 25% of men.

10:31 Women still look at men as economic providers.

10:34 And so, you have this entire generation of young

10:36 men who feel like they have no purpose, no on-ramps to the middle class,

10:40 and are being evaluated on a set of criteria

10:43 that get harder and harder for them each year.

10:45 And then this like unbelievable set

10:48 of expectations that they're taught they should

10:50 have cuz it seems like everyone else is making a million dollars selling ETH,

10:55 or is in amazing shape, or has a ridiculously hot boyfriend or girlfriend,

10:58 and has artist passes to Coachella.

11:01 So, it'd be shocking if they weren't depressed and obese.

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