The Kennedy Legacy vs. The Rebel: NY-12’s Civil War

0:00 And how do you see them promoting white men?

0:03 If you look at the demographics of New York City and the state in the area, um,

0:08 it is largely white men and for a city to be this diverse as New York

0:12 City and to keep putting up that type

0:14 of leadership really raises questions in my mind.

0:17 But it's about powerful connections, power and privilege, and the money circles.

0:22 Welcome back to the Tara Palm Mary Show.

0:25 We are heading into midterm season.

0:26 So that means I will be interviewing

0:28 a number of midterm candidates and there's one district

0:34 that seems to be getting outsized buzz

0:36 in the congressional races and that is New York 12.

0:40 It is one of the wealthiest districts

0:42 in America spanning across most of Manhattan.

0:46 Actually it has seven candidates and two of them are household names.

0:52 One of them I interviewed already, George Conway.

0:54 You know him as the ex-husband of Kellyanne Conway and he was

0:58 at one time a Republican turned independent and most recently a Democrat.

1:03 And then there's Jack Schllo who is the grandson of JFK Jr.

1:09 and obviously he has become even more immortalized besides

1:12 being a candidate thanks to the FX show Love Story.

1:16 There are seven candidates in this race and one of them is

1:20 Laura Dunn and she really explained to me something that I think

1:23 I hadn't really seen until after we talked that this story is

1:28 really more about a fight between the establishment power and outsider energy.

1:34 and she claims that she is the people's candidate

1:38 and that she is the outsider energy because people like

1:40 Josh Slober have gotten endorsements from Nancy Pelosi and obviously

1:47 George Conway is a household name with name ID.

1:50 Um last time we checked in with him he was pulling second in the race

1:54 and Jack is continuing to lead the polls but she's taking aim at all of them.

2:01 uh she's taking aim at them for their funding,

2:03 their affiliation with party leadership, even their nit last names.

2:08 She argues that Democrats are missing the moment on accountability,

2:14 impeachment, and what she calls a broken political machine.

2:18 And we cover everything from Trump investigations

2:21 to the Epstein files to pack money,

2:24 insider trading in Congress and why she believes that she

2:31 is the only middle class candidate in this race.

2:35 So, we're going to talk about all this and more.

2:38 This is a race where name recognition and big donors loom very large.

2:44 And so, she's trying to say, "Listen to me.

2:46 Heads up." Um, it's not only the Kennedy and Conway

2:50 in this race because whoever wins the Democratic primary will win this race.

2:55 Laura Dunn, thanks so much for joining the show.

2:58 Laura is one of the seven candidates running for uh Congress in New York 12.

3:06 She's running to take over the seat long held by Jerry Nadler.

3:11 It's probably one of the biggest swaths of Manhattan's

3:15 and arguably one of the wealthiest districts in the world.

3:19 And Laura, thanks for joining the show.

3:22 Thanks for having me on.

3:23 I'm looking forward to it.

3:24 Thanks.

3:25 [clears throat] Yes, it's interesting.

3:26 I I really enjoy your campaign slogan, unbought, unbossed, unafraid.

3:34 And I was wondering, you know,

3:36 who are you running against that you feel like is bought or bossed?

3:41 everyone uh all the candidates in this race

3:44 have some kind of compromising factor about them.

3:47 So we have Jack Schlloberg, the Kennedy grandchild who lives off a trust fund,

3:53 has not worked most of his life

3:56 and is highly connected to the Democratic establishment.

3:59 He's been endorsed by Nancy Pelosi and he is beholden to that establishment

4:03 that is propping him up at a time when there's heavy competition.

4:08 And we have George Conway,

4:09 the former Republican, was married to Kellyanne Conway,

4:12 Trump's mouthpiece, in the first uh term in office.

4:16 And we know that he has significantly supported the Republican

4:20 party before deciding he's anti-Trump and that's his main platform.

4:25 He's just opposed to Trump.

4:26 I don't think he's necessarily a Democrat

4:28 with Democratic values uh to represent the district.

4:32 And then we have Michael Lasher who is backed by a billionaire.

4:36 Bloomberg has given him $5 million and he is putting that to use.

4:40 Everyone's getting flooded in their mailbox right now,

4:43 but Bloomberg is a serial sexual harasser.

4:46 We know that there is favors coming along

4:49 with that money as well as the endorsements that he's collected.

4:52 And then of course we have Alex Borets who is being propped up by AI money.

4:58 So he started with Palunteer, moved over to Anthropic.

5:02 AM AI money is funding his campaign.

5:04 So all of them have some compromising factor.

5:07 I alone am a peoplepowered campaign

5:10 and that makes me unbot unbossed and of course

5:13 I'm unafraid of what it takes to run

5:15 for Congress and stand up to the establishment.

5:18 So you don't have any pack money behind you.

5:21 We have exactly $1,000 from one group that is a pack.

5:25 It's called Leaders in Educational Equity and that's

5:28 Teach for America's 501c4 because I was a teacher

5:31 in Post Katrina New Orleans and that money is

5:33 going to pay for their consulting for the campaign.

5:37 Okay.

5:37 So, they've been helping you with the campaign

5:39 and so they're basically paying themselves for that.

5:42 Yes.

5:42 Yes.

5:44 And and what kind of pack money?

5:46 Yeah.

5:47 What kind of help are they giving you on the campaign?

5:50 Consultation.

5:51 So if we for example are in petition season,

5:54 you know, what are the legal requirements of that?

5:56 What are the best meth methods and locations and hours for collecting petitions?

6:00 Because I'm a brand new candidate.

6:02 I'm not a career politician.

6:03 So I'm learning and they have that kind of level of information there.

6:07 Not dayto-day, it's big picture.

6:09 How do you structure strategy?

6:12 Yeah.

6:12 Um I noticed that Jack Schloberger put out a new ad yesterday.

6:18 Um everyone should check it out.

6:19 Maybe we can get the producer to put it up on our screen later,

6:21 but it is of um of him riding a wave, a new wave for Cong for New York,

6:28 and he is uh he is surfing um which is interesting.

6:35 Surfing.

6:35 He's kind using a bit of the Kennedy lure from the past, right?

6:39 Like, didn't his uh uncle sort of do that a bit?

6:42 like use his sex appeal um to try to win the hearts of New Yorkers at one time.

6:51 Yeah, I think his celebrity has gotten him pretty far.

6:54 So, we know that Love Story is out right now,

6:57 which is a fictionalized kind of accounting of his parents'

7:00 relationship and he obviously has that legacy behind him.

7:05 So, a lot of people name recognition with him,

7:08 but I feel very confident every time I'm on the stage with him.

7:11 He likes to say, "Well,

7:12 I've gotten a law degree and I passed the bar." And then I say,

7:15 "And I use my law degree.

7:17 I I've actually been in the courtrooms.

7:19 I've actually helped pass federal law and policy.

7:22 I've worked on rulemaking committees,

7:23 advised White House task forces, served on the Senate Judiciary,

7:27 even founded a nonprofit to take on and sue Donald Trump in his first term." So,

7:32 you can go to a fancy school and get a degree,

7:34 but if you're not putting that to use,

7:35 then you don't have any skills or ability when it comes to leading.

7:38 And I don't know about you, but I don't want someone learning on the fly

7:42 in this political climate with their first job being Congress.

7:47 So, are you planning to do what George Conway said on this show he wants to do,

7:53 which is to use his pro prosecutorial skills

7:56 to impeach President Trump for a third time?

7:59 Is that something that you aim to to try to make sure happens?

8:03 Yeah.

8:03 So, we just heard Hakee Jeff, the minority speaker of the House,

8:07 say the other day that impeaching Donald Trump is no longer the top priority

8:11 of Democrats when they take the House

8:13 and that they're going to focus on accountability.

8:15 And I think accountability is a byproduct.

8:19 Uh I'm sorry, affordability is a byproduct of accountability.

8:23 And so, if Hakee Jeff wants to focus on affordability,

8:26 as he said, he has to first remove Donald Trump.

8:30 We know that Donald Trump, for example,

8:32 is poised to take up to10 billion dollar of taxpayer money

8:37 through what I would call a fairly frivolous lawsuit against the IRS.

8:41 Uh he's claiming $10 billion worth

8:43 of damages for the IRS releasing some records.

8:47 And I doubt he could ever prove that in court,

8:50 but he can of course get the IRS to settle

8:53 with him so that he doesn't need meritorious claims.

8:56 he doesn't have judicial oversight and can basically rob our country blind.

9:00 So, I'm not willing to leave Donald Trump in office.

9:03 It is a priority for him to get impeached.

9:06 But let's be clear, it's no

9:07 individual congressman that can impeach Donald Trump.

9:10 So, George Conway may have a bone to pick with Donald Trump,

9:14 but you need to pick someone who's actually going

9:16 to lead in NY2 and be part of this community.

9:19 And George moved up from Maryland to run in this race.

9:23 He's not a New Yorker.

9:24 He hasn't been here for decades.

9:26 And when he was here,

9:27 he lived in Trump Tower and was very tied to the Republican party.

9:30 So I know NY2 voters are wise to that and are

9:34 looking for people who are actually true Blue Dems like me.

9:38 Yeah.

9:38 So you're openly challenging Democratic leadership.

9:41 That's what I'm hearing from you.

9:43 How do you think the party is failing its own voters?

9:47 Oh, in numerous ways.

9:48 Uh the primary way is of course taking money that compromises them.

9:52 So Apac money is largely influencing the Democratic

9:55 Party at a time when most Americans are exhausted

9:59 by the idea of billions of dollars going

10:01 to war in the Middle East rather than health care,

10:04 rather than affordable housing.

10:06 And everything is becoming unaffordable.

10:08 And yet we're seeing so much aid go to a country that has

10:13 been a long-standing ally but is actively

10:16 engaging in war crimes and genocidal acts.

10:18 though I have called for an end to aid to Israel,

10:21 which distinguishes me significantly from both Jack and George,

10:25 my opponents, who are standing by Israel at this time.

10:29 In fact, George Conway has called for unconditional aid to Israel,

10:33 writing them a blank check with American money,

10:35 no matter what they want to do with it.

10:37 And I think that's wrong.

10:38 So, I am very much challenging the money is

10:41 in this race and also the direction of this race.

10:44 I think the establishment benefits from having

10:47 someone as horrible as Donald Trump in Congress.

10:50 They use it for fundraising.

10:51 They use it for news stories.

10:52 They use it for swinging voters.

10:55 But we have to care more about our country than our parties.

10:58 And our democracy is crumbling.

11:00 And so, as a lawyer who serves the rule of law,

11:03 I see the dismantling of all the guard rails and protections.

11:06 And I want to stop it because no matter

11:09 how you feel about what's happening in current politics,

11:12 I will say the world has been watching us.

11:14 Our dollar is weaker.

11:16 Our allies are not going to ever assist us should we be under attack.

11:20 And we've dismantled our entire federal system

11:23 that will respond for natural disasters or other incidents.

11:27 So we are creating a very dangerous situation for our country.

11:31 And I care more about safety

11:32 for our country than any of this political gamesmanship.

11:37 Well, how do you think Democrat Democrats should respond

11:40 to the kind of corruption happening within Trump's DOJ,

11:43 his retribution campaigns?

11:44 As we know, um, this has been recorded earlier,

11:48 but overnight on Monday, uh, sorry, on Tuesday, excuse me,

11:55 uh, April 28th, I believe, or April 29th this morning.

12:00 Um, James Comey turned himself in.

12:04 Um, he has been indicted for his seashells,

12:11 his 8447 sheet seashells that he posted on Instagram.

12:17 The um administration is saying that that was a threat to the president's life.

12:23 And as I'm sure you know, as a lawyer,

12:26 you could indict a ham sandwich with the right jury, right?

12:31 Yes.

12:31 Yes.

12:31 Well, we know that Trump has been going

12:34 after his political opponents and Leticia James here,

12:37 our attorney general in New York,

12:38 has been one of the many that's been targeted by that.

12:41 So, we will see how that plays out.

12:44 Uh, obviously, that happened a long time ago.

12:47 So, for it to only now be prosecuted after a failed previous

12:52 indictment on other issues shows

12:54 that this is really about political retribution.

12:56 I don't think Trump hides that issue particularly well.

13:00 And I do think the courts have been very good about standing up

13:03 to him and shooting down unwarranted prosecutotorial

13:08 efforts and other kind of bad behavior.

13:10 Right now, for example, with that IRS story,

13:13 we have a court questioning if it's even legal for a president

13:16 to be negotiating a settlement as the executive with an executive uh agency.

13:21 So, I'm hopeful that that line holds,

13:24 but that's what inspired me to run for office.

13:26 We have three branches of government.

13:28 The judiciary is the only functional branch.

13:30 Congress is out to lunch.

13:32 The executives grabbing power and they need reinforcement.

13:35 They need someone in Congress who's actually

13:37 going to stand up and support the balance

13:39 of powers which is what our constitution relies

13:42 on and it's out of whack right now.

13:44 Yeah.

13:45 Um, but how, like, sorry,

13:49 just to get back to this, like how do the Democrats respond

13:53 to uh the prosecution of James Comey or more generally

13:56 to the threat that Donald Trump has on our democracy?

14:00 The corruption.

14:01 Yeah, the prosecution of James Comey, all of it, his retribution campaigns.

14:06 So, we obviously need to win back the House.

14:08 Uh, what we are seeing from the Senate is a little more bipartisan action.

14:11 So we saw them step in when TSA agents needed

14:14 to be funded and Trump was putting ICE agents into airports.

14:18 We also saw them actually stay up overnight and fight

14:21 um FISA being uh extended and authorized and expanded.

14:26 So I'm seeing a lot of bipartisan success

14:28 in the Senate holding the line and it's really the House that's been holding up

14:32 and serving Donald Trump rather than the American people.

14:35 So, I do think a blue wave is coming

14:37 in November and once we have that blue wave, contrary to what Jeff has said,

14:42 we have to have impeachment be the number one priority.

14:45 And in fact, I would argue that it

14:47 should effectively be a protest by all Congress members.

14:51 No more work on the hill until this is accomplished.

14:55 And there are people that definitely disagree.

14:57 They want Congress to work no matter what.

15:00 But again, we have to remember the world is watching.

15:03 The world does not believe that they can trust

15:05 the United States in any sense of that term.

15:08 And if we fail to impeach Donald Trump,

15:11 we are reinforcing everything that will isolate us.

15:14 So we have to show our moral center.

15:17 We have to undertake this effort.

15:18 We have numerous reasons to indict him.

15:21 There is nothing of the Constitution he's respected at this point.

15:24 Nor several members of his cabinet, including Cash Patel, a head of the DOJ.

15:29 So we have a lot to work with.

15:32 What we need is the courage and conviction to do so.

15:34 And that may be unpopular with some Americans,

15:37 but let it be so because the long course

15:40 of history will show that this was the right move.

15:43 Is there anything that like party donors or leaders

15:46 have told you not to say that you're saying anyway?

15:51 Oh, I mean it's it's very clear that I'm supposed to be backing

15:54 Jeff for speaker if I want to get support from the Democratic party.

15:58 That's not a question.

15:59 Hiking Jeff is from the New York City area and um that is part

16:03 of the lock step and I've definitely been told several times on the ground,

16:08 you know, that other people have been chosen ahead of me.

16:10 I need to wait my turn and uh maybe there's a different race for me.

16:15 So, there's a lot of internal democratic efforts

16:18 to kind of hand select very bluntly white

16:22 men to keep serving at a time when

16:24 LGBTQ plus and women's rights are under attack.

16:27 And I'm a queer woman.

16:28 I'm not going to stand by as a civil rights attorney and watch

16:32 the dismantling of all the protections so many have worked for over the decades.

16:36 So there there's a lot going on within the Democratic party.

16:40 I think I had a view like many Americans that maybe it wasn't great,

16:43 but I could work with it.

16:45 And now that I'm actually campaigning what I see as a machine that is out

16:49 of touch with the American people and wants to just keep people up that will,

16:53 for example, continue insider trading.

16:56 My top platform is accountability, and that's congressional term limits,

17:00 ending insider trading, ethical standards for the Supreme Court.

17:04 I guarantee you none of the other candidates

17:06 in this race will stop the insider trading by Congress,

17:09 but I will because I'm not here for money.

17:11 I'm not looking to enrich myself.

17:13 I want to be a public servant and I want to restore the standing up Congress.

17:17 And after everything that we've been through,

17:19 Congress should be only about public service and not about private wealth.

17:24 And how do you see them promoting white men?

17:29 Oh, I mean, our race is uh I think you mentioned seven candidates.

17:33 There's only two women.

17:34 The rest are um men that fall in that category.

17:37 So, uh we even just had a special election here in district three

17:41 last night and three women ran against uh one white man and he won.

17:46 And so it's if you look at the demographics

17:49 of New York City and the state in the area, um it is largely white men.

17:54 And for a city to be this diverse as New York City

17:57 and to keep putting up that type

17:58 of leadership really raises questions in my mind,

18:01 but it's about powerful connections, power and privilege, and the money circles.

18:07 Yeah.

18:07 So you've been an advocate for paid parental leave.

18:09 What's the most politically difficult part

18:11 of pushing universal child care right now?

18:15 I think because so few women in Congress are a reproductive age and so

18:21 many uh men in Congress uh rely on their partners to do all that work,

18:25 people bluntly don't think it's as important as it is.

18:28 We really need women who are of reproductive age to be in Congress and that's

18:33 pretty hard to achieve because so many of us are dealing with child care,

18:37 are dealing with the home on top of our own careers.

18:40 So I think prioritization I can say from having been in almost

18:46 all of the NY12 forums that women's issues never come up.

18:50 Family support does not come up.

18:52 Child care does not come up.

18:54 It's always Israel Gaza.

18:56 It is Hakee Jeff.

18:57 It is all these establishment uh tests.

19:00 So I think there is just a lack of touch

19:02 that the Democratic party has at least at the federal level.

19:05 I'm very proud of my mayor here in New York who's obviously

19:09 gotten uh universal child care for ages three and four, I believe.

19:14 And so I'm I'm very proud to see the city knows what the priorities are,

19:18 but the Democratic party is a little slow to that.

19:21 You know, I noticed that mom Donnie seems

19:25 to be a bit ambivalent about King Charles's visit.

19:29 You know, he wouldn't even really confirm that he was attending.

19:33 What do you think about that stance?

19:37 I mean, I I the irony of what just happened yesterday is not lost on me, right?

19:43 We had uh the king of England,

19:45 someone who historically our country has pushed out of power

19:49 for our own independence coming into our uh home and telling us, "Hey,

19:54 have you forgotten your own values?" So I I both

19:57 appreciate that there were uh some nods to reminding us

20:01 of our history like at the core of our government because

20:04 it is Congress who is failing the people at this time.

20:08 we can check the executive and we can re

20:10 in those powers but yes the England has not had the history

20:14 of supporting our country and there was obviously um some comments

20:18 made about you know England's own attack on the white house uh

20:22 to to lead devastation with an analogy to the ballroom and I

20:26 don't know how uh in good taste that was but the point

20:30 was made and to be honest I think we do need

20:33 people who have been historically our allies like Great Britain saying,

20:37 "You guys have to break this spell.

20:39 You have to buck Trump.

20:41 You cannot keep doing this and expect to survive as a democracy." So,

20:47 I have mixed feelings about it, too.

20:49 Well, it's interesting because President Trump posted

20:52 yesterday a picture of him and the king,

20:54 and it said two kings, the crown emoji from the White House account.

21:00 Yeah, I think we have all known that Trump fancies himself a king and that's

21:04 why the no kings protest has been

21:07 an increasingly popular and more people coming out.

21:10 Um, so yes, I mean he analogized himself to Jesus.

21:15 Uh, before that he analogized himself to the pope.

21:18 We know he's a narcissist and will keep trying

21:21 to take as much power as Congress allows him to give.

21:25 And so that's why I'm running.

21:27 We need people of courage.

21:28 this this reality that we live in does not have

21:31 to be and it can quickly be changed but it requires

21:34 the right leadership people who are about uh serving our democracy

21:39 and not just getting in line with whatever the party wants.

21:44 Yeah.

21:44 Um, also the Epstein survivors.

21:46 I mean, it just feels very inongruent um,

21:50 knowing that his his brother refused to testify um,

21:56 in the case the civil suit filed by Virginia Juy and that they

22:00 instead settled and that he's now being charged with public corruption.

22:07 Yeah, it'll be interesting to watch that prosecution and to see

22:11 the level of merit or or lack of merit that it has.

22:14 You know, fingers crossed that it sets a good example

22:17 for the rest of the world of how serious to take it.

22:20 Um, but we know the Epstein files are an ongoing travesty

22:25 and I was brushing up on your shows and you were pointing out,

22:29 right, we have less than 1% of the files.

22:31 Like we still have no idea the extent

22:34 of this, but anyone who's watching knows a few things.

22:37 One, foreign money and ties are all over our government at the highest level.

22:43 And two, we know that the abuse of women and girls

22:46 at such a horrific level was meant to bond them all together.

22:50 So there is so much that we can do with this information.

22:53 And I'm a sexual assault survivor.

22:56 My entire career has been going after perpetrators

22:59 and enablers of sexual violence and holding them accountable.

23:02 So, I want to be on the Hill demanding that change,

23:05 demanding the proper investigation, pushing for prosecution.

23:09 We hear a lot of excuses, but the public is smart enough to know

23:12 that these are just efforts to obstruct justice.

23:16 We know what's in the files.

23:17 We just need them released.

23:19 And I'm so excited to see that there are lawsuits

23:21 and efforts to create some accountability there because Congress has failed.

23:26 And again, that's why the midterms are going to matter so so much.

23:29 So whether you're an independent or you're blue or even if you're red, you know,

23:34 I hope you're voting for people who actually care

23:37 about truth and justice and not party and class.

23:39 Because the more you keep coing up

23:41 to millionaires and billionaires and those kind of candidates,

23:45 you're never going to see justice because we

23:46 know the files aren't just about Donald Trump.

23:49 They have Bill Clinton.

23:50 They have other people in them and there is an effort to protect them powerful.

23:55 We must hold the Epstein class accountable.

23:59 Yeah.

23:59 No, you're you're certainly right about that.

24:01 Um I wanted to go back to the biggest

24:06 difference between you and the typical New York 12 Democrat.

24:13 Absolutely.

24:14 Well, there there's a lot there.

24:16 Um so I came to politics, as I said,

24:19 um in an unusual way by being a sexual assault survivor myself.

24:23 I grew up in a politically divided family.

24:25 Half dens half Republicans who are also half bears, half Packers.

24:29 We're just one of those families that lives in contradiction.

24:32 And I never thought much of politics because of that divide

24:36 that was always around me until that sexual assault.

24:39 And I realized that state law did not protect me because

24:42 it did not consider alcohol

24:43 an intoxicating substance to facilitate sexual violence,

24:47 which I think we're all mature enough to know is the case.

24:50 But that was not in state law.

24:52 That's because of a powerful alcohol lobby

24:54 that intentionally kept that from being in there.

24:57 So I used my name, face, and story preeie too to get

25:01 that into the law to make justice for future survivors.

25:04 And it didn't just stop there because I had used my name, face, and story.

25:08 I got the attention of President Obama and the White House at that time.

25:12 And they undertook uh an amazing effort to address campus sexual violence.

25:16 And that gave me my experience in federal law and policy.

25:19 I actually helped draft section 304 of the Violence

25:22 Against Women Act reauthorization that passed in 2013.

25:26 Took us two years.

25:27 I had to lobby Capitol Hill in a bipartisan Congress sharing

25:30 my story in Democrat and Republican offices alike to get this law passed.

25:35 And they did that as a law student on top of my studies unpaid

25:39 just for the that's a life education that none of these other candidates have.

25:47 And I was also a contributor to what

25:49 became the 2011 Dear Colleague letter on Title N.

25:52 That took us from maybe 30 Title 9 complaints about campus sexual

25:56 assault over the last 30 years to 300 overnight because we empowered so

26:02 many survivors with information on their rights

26:04 and options and gained the commitment

26:06 of the president uh to enforce these laws in a more meaningful way.

26:11 So, I've been literally leading change, not as a politician, but as an advocate,

26:16 and I've seen how Washington works and how it doesn't work.

26:20 And so, I can bring that knowledge in and and use it for the better.

26:24 I was lucky enough after that experience passing

26:27 law to get a clerkship with Senator Ley,

26:30 who is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary.

26:32 So, I've actually worked on the inside,

26:34 worked on committees passing uh reports on uh

26:38 pathways to citizen citizenship and in human trafficking, military prosecution.

26:43 So, I know also how it works from the inside, not just as an advocate.

26:47 And I used all of that.

26:48 When I graduated law school, I created a national nonprofit called Serve

26:52 Justice and through that actually sued Donald Trump

26:55 in his first term to protect against uh

26:58 Title N um roll backs that were happening.

27:02 So I have learned from that experience exactly what it takes to fight.

27:07 And what I love about my background

27:09 is I have Democratic establishment credentials.

27:13 I've worked on Hillary Clinton's campaign,

27:14 Joe Biden's campaign in policy level positions,

27:18 and I'm not part of the establishment.

27:19 I don't feel beholden to anyone because I was there

27:22 for survivors day in and day out, and that was it.

27:25 It wasn't for the party.

27:26 That's the same energy I want to bring into the campaign.

27:30 H.

27:31 So, as we know, mayoral race, in the mayoral race,

27:36 some candidates had quite controversial bagel orders,

27:41 and it's something that New Yorkers take very seriously.

27:45 What's yours?

27:47 Yes.

27:48 Well, I I know some people will have judgment, but don't knock until you try it.

27:51 uh popup bagel has amazing sesame seed popup uh bagels and I normally get all

27:58 of my volunteers uh bagels from there every

28:00 single time they're out with me on the Upper

28:02 Westside Farmers Market on Sunday and that remains

28:05 my favorite orderer and I've tried quite

28:07 a few orders but there's just something about

28:09 the poppy seed bagel that gets me there.

28:12 I love poppy seed bagel.

28:13 Is that weird?

28:15 No, I think popup bagel has uh it's not one of those classic ones.

28:19 It's kind of more of a newer upand cominging that's

28:22 actually given a challenge to more of the establishment bagel places.

28:26 So, some people have feelings about it.

28:28 Well, like explain it to me just so

28:29 I can understand because I've never been before.

28:32 Oh, it's you know it's uh there's no place to sit.

28:36 You just kind of get in line and they have a little rope

28:38 and slogan is uh not famous but known and it it moves quick.

28:43 So, it's it's a perfect New York kind of stop.

28:46 Takes you a few minutes.

28:47 Uh once you're through that line,

28:48 the order comes out within minutes and you can buy

28:52 like three bagels and a spread or just four bagels together.

28:55 But I think it's been putting a lot of the classics like Kosars and Zuckers

29:00 uh up against the ropes as far as like pulling more and more people.

29:05 So if you're old school and you've had your classic place for decades,

29:09 you may not be a fan of Papa Bagel, but they're they're doing a good job.

29:12 and I I'm all about new innovators and uh new businesses coming into New York.

29:18 Okay.

29:18 Well, thanks for this um interesting interview.

29:22 You clearly know your stuff.

29:23 Um we'll see what happens.

29:26 I mean, this is a very crowded field.

29:29 Obviously, whoever wins the primary wins the race.

29:32 So, um we'll see what happens.

29:36 Yes.

29:36 And for all of those who heard something they liked,

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29:40 We got less than two months.

29:42 The primary is June 23rd with early voting starting June 13th.

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29:50 and we appreciate you so much for covering this race

29:53 and giving non-establishment and candidates an opportunity to be heard

29:56 because it's a race where a lot of power and privilege

29:58 is talking and I want the people to be heard.

30:02 Sounds great.

30:03 Thank you, Laura.

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