"Feminism Is Satanic!" Rachel Wilson Exposes Why Women Are So Unhappy in 2026 | Jack Neel

0:00 Today's guest believes modern feminism is literally satanic.

0:04 Witchcraft is the fastest growing religion,

0:05 especially among Gen Z women in America.

0:08 Female creators on TikTok will show you how

0:11 to make a ritual out of your abortion.

0:14 Growing up with a conservative father and a Marxist feminist [music] mother,

0:17 she was raised with two competing visions

0:19 of what a woman was actually supposed to be.

0:21 My mom's view was everybody deserves.

0:24 You only don't have because someone [music] else has.

0:27 My dad would explain things are based on merit.

0:29 You kind of start having to learn to think things through and try to figure out,

0:33 well, which one is correct?

0:34 Now a Christian mother of five, she spent the last few years uncovering

0:37 the dark origins of the feminist [music] movement,

0:39 connecting it to demon worship, seances, and CIA sex cults.

0:43 You're Gen Z, right?

0:45 Yes.

0:45 Do you know that almost a third of your generation was aborted?

0:49 Abortion is a ritual sacrament [music] for them.

0:51 In this episode, we'll explore why she

0:53 believes modern women are unhappier than ever,

0:55 expose the dark rituals that shaped feminism in America,

0:58 and question if this movement that promised women freedom

1:00 was actually a spiritual trap [music] designed by the devil.

1:04 Elizabeth Cady Stanton said that if she could

1:07 get [music] rid of the Bible and Christianity altogether,

1:10 wipe it from the face of the earth, that would be the best thing.

1:12 But she said it's the most widely

1:13 published and most influential book on the planet.

1:16 So the second best thing we can do is Rachel Wilson,

1:19 welcome to the Juggernaut podcast.

1:20 Thanks for having me.

1:21 It's good to be here.

1:22 Rachel, the average American woman is the most educated,

1:26 most financially independent, and most free woman in human history.

1:32 She's also the loneliest, most depressed, and least likely to have kids.

1:36 Why do you think women are so unhappy in 2026?

1:39 That's the million-dollar question.

1:41 There's actually been two large-scale studies

1:44 done trying to answer that question.

1:46 I think the first came out in 2009.

1:48 It was called the paradox of declining female happiness.

1:51 And in this study, the authors in their summary

1:54 said that uh women have reported, you know,

1:58 this is based on women's surveys when you're asking

2:00 women their opinion on how they are doing in life, how they feel about things.

2:06 Um, they're reporting higher levels of unhappiness,

2:10 like you said, loneliness, depression, uh, than ever before.

2:14 So, if we go back to the '70s, which is arguably kind of the tipping

2:17 point where feminism became the dominant ethos.

2:20 Uh, if you go back to the early '70s where they asked women these questions,

2:24 they largely reported being pretty content.

2:27 Um, and now in the 2000s,

2:30 we have 26% of all American women on at least one psychiatric drug.

2:36 We have higher rates of fetal alcohol syndrome

2:39 and alcoholism among women than we've ever recorded before.

2:43 Uh, and women just overall reporting dissatisfaction, unhappiness,

2:47 a feeling of, uh, being really torn, trying to have it all,

2:51 trying to have a career and be a career woman

2:54 and also have a family and and do all of that.

2:57 Uh, women don't know what to do with relationships because

3:00 on the one hand they want men who make more than they do.

3:03 They want, uh, men who are higher achieving than they are.

3:06 Yet, this creates a paradox whereas women have

3:09 become the number one earners of college degrees.

3:12 They have, uh, now got salaries that compete with men.

3:16 Uh, and they've got more equality than ever before.

3:19 They're finding that the men are not suitable to marry.

3:23 They're finding that, uh, you know,

3:24 they just can't find a guy who's on their level or higher,

3:27 which is what they really want.

3:29 So, we've created like a paradox where by giving

3:33 women everything that at least feminism told us they wanted,

3:36 which was full equality, uh,

3:38 independence from men so that we could choose a husband based on, you know,

3:42 who we love and not who we need,

3:44 that this would make women happier and we're finding ourselves

3:48 in a position where women are reporting the highest levels of unhappiness ever.

3:52 They're actually even three times more likely than

3:55 men now to have common mental health issues.

3:59 Women have always been more prone to mental health issues

4:02 than men since we started tracking that, but it's gone up.

4:05 It's gotten worse.

4:06 The disparity has grown.

4:08 Women are finding themselves in a conundrum where they've got

4:11 all the things that they were told would make them happy,

4:14 and they're finding that they're more dissatisfied than ever.

4:17 And what often happens,

4:18 you'll see these viral clips on the internet of women in their 30s and 40s,

4:22 you know, sitting alone in their car crying saying,

4:25 "I did all the things I was supposed to do.

4:27 I followed the prescription, and I'm unhappy.

4:30 I'm stressed out.

4:30 I'm alone.

4:32 I can't find a husband.

4:33 I won't have a family.

4:35 Am I Am I going to die by myself?

4:37 What did I do?

4:38 I can't go back." So, I For me, it's a really tragic thing for women.

4:44 So, you would boil it down to women are unhappy because

4:48 they're lonely because they're not getting married and they're not having kids.

4:52 I think that's a big part of it, and I think it's also uh we put so

4:58 much pressure and responsibility on women to do it all,

5:02 be it all, and have it all.

5:04 I really experienced a lot of that myself in my early 20s.

5:08 So, after I got through K through 12 high school, um I was always a smart kid.

5:13 I was always in like advanced classes preparing for college.

5:17 I was given the message that you're definitely going to college.

5:20 You know, you've got to go.

5:21 You're too smart.

5:22 You can't waste your intellectual capacity uh by not

5:26 going to school and having an important job.

5:27 That's what you're going to do.

5:29 Like from kindergarten on.

5:31 And by the time I got done with 12th grade, I thought,

5:34 "I think I just want to get married and have kids.

5:36 Like I really just want to marry my boyfriend, start a family,

5:39 and be a mom." Like that's That's what I want to do.

5:42 And maybe someday if I want to have a career, I can do that later.

5:45 People thought I was insane.

5:47 Everybody around me, my parents, my friends,

5:50 uh pretty much everyone around me just thought that was totally nuts.

5:54 Like, "What?

5:54 You're not going to go to college?

5:55 You have a full ride scholarship and you're not going to take it?

5:58 You're going to regret it.

5:59 It's going to be terrible.

5:59 Your life's going to be over." Um so, it was like what what do I do here?

6:06 Cuz I want What if I want to be a mom and have kids?

6:08 Like, I want to raise them myself.

6:11 How am I going to do that if I'm gone 40 to 50 hours a week?

6:14 Especially if I get a career that's like very demanding.

6:18 Um you know, like if I want to be a doctor or something,

6:21 where does that leave room for raising my kids?

6:23 I'm going to have to outsource that to someone else and I didn't like that idea.

6:27 And when I said I thought that that was kind of silly and inefficient.

6:32 I thought, "Isn't that silly?

6:33 I'm I'm having children and I'm going to pay some other

6:36 stranger who isn't their mother maybe 12 bucks an hour or something

6:42 to spend all day with them and I might get to see

6:45 them for a couple hours at night and on the weekend.

6:47 And that's it." And meanwhile, they're not even with their kids.

6:50 Exactly.

6:51 So, I thought we're all just shift It's like we're

6:53 playing musical chairs with the children and it's like, "Well,

6:56 you raise mine so that I can go to work and then someone else will

6:59 raise yours so that you can go to work watching my kids." And when I said,

7:02 "I think that seems silly.

7:04 Who came up with this system?

7:05 It sounds terrible to me." It was like I was challenging this deeply held dogma.

7:10 This like preciously held dogma that like, "Well, you don't want to be enslaved,

7:16 do you?" And I was like "I don't know

7:19 that going to work for a corporation and having

7:23 to pay half of what I make to have someone else raise my kids I don't know

7:27 that kind of sounds a little bit like

7:29 like slavery to me more than having a family."

7:31 But there was just this this idea that if

7:35 I didn't have my own money and my own career, the only guy who's going to be

7:39 interested was someone who wanted to take advantage

7:42 of me and hurt me and wanted me to be vulnerable and not able to escape.

7:46 You kind of gave the most important part of your backstory

7:49 to understand why you view uh feminism the way you do,

7:54 but I want to know about your parents and your childhood.

7:59 Like, what's the most important part of your childhood that shaped maybe

8:03 why you chose to write your book and some of your views today.

8:07 When I was 9 years old, my parents got divorced.

8:10 And um you know, my dad sat us down

8:14 and explained that my mom had found somebody new.

8:18 Uh she was going to divorce him um and that he had to move out.

8:23 And I remember asking him, "Wait, if if mom got a boyfriend,

8:27 you know, you're not supposed to do that.

8:30 That you know, that's against the rules.

8:32 Why do you have to leave?

8:34 That doesn't make sense." And uh my dad kind of got like tears

8:38 in his eyes and then I told him I I I remember saying,

8:41 "I have a lump in my throat.

8:42 It kind of hurts right here." And then he just kind of lost it.

8:46 Um and you know, my mother really didn't want to explain.

8:50 It was just like dad's got to go and this other guy is going to move in.

8:53 And um that was kind of like the beginning

8:56 of everything changing for me and my sister.

8:59 And I remember thinking and and I had people

9:03 like adults in my life when I would ask,

9:05 you know, one of my mom's friends was babysitting and I was like, "Why?

9:09 Just I know my mom wants a new boyfriend,

9:11 but why does that mean that my dad has to move out?

9:13 Now this guy is going to move in.

9:15 I Why can't me and my sister have our dad?" And you know,

9:18 I'm trying to figure this out as a 9-year-old.

9:20 And the answer I kept getting was, "Well,

9:22 your mom needs to be happy." And I thought,

9:25 "Well, yeah, I want my mom to be happy.

9:27 Of course, I love my mom.

9:29 But what about me being happy?

9:30 And what about my dad being happy?

9:32 And what about my sister being happy?" So that was kind of like the first

9:36 seeds of me wondering why is she the only person that matters in this equation?

9:41 Shouldn't we all matter?

9:43 Um, and nobody had a good answer.

9:45 So, as I got older, um,

9:47 my mother had been kind of radicalized in college as a Marxist

9:53 and then started writing or reading Marxist literature like The Mists of Avalon.

9:58 It's like a feminist retelling of the Camelot legend.

10:02 Uh, and it was from this very like Marxist feminist perspective and she

10:07 kind of adopted this view that like men are bad and evil, especially white men.

10:12 The evil white men that have all the power are bad.

10:15 Um, uh, the intersectional stuff.

10:17 Like the more oppressed you are,

10:18 the more truth you have and the more righteous you must be and if you have money

10:23 or you own a business or you're a white

10:24 person or you're a male, you must be bad.

10:27 You must be oppressing someone to have

10:29 those things and that was kind of her worldview.

10:31 So, most of the week living with mom,

10:35 that's the stuff I would kind of hear filtered through,

10:38 you know, it kind of trickles out as you're talking about things growing up.

10:41 Then I go to my dad's and he was a business owner.

10:44 He was a a Rush Limbaugh guy, you know,

10:46 in the car we'd be listening to Rush Limbaugh on the way to, you know,

10:49 my orthodontist appointments or something.

10:51 So, I grew up listening to him with dad and my dad would

10:54 explain things from a completely different

10:56 worldview like things are based on merit.

10:58 Um, it depends how hard you work for things cuz a lot of people aren't willing

11:02 to work hard and those who are can potentially

11:04 get ahead even if they maybe started out behind.

11:07 You know, my dad would say, "You know, I didn't grow up with money,

11:11 but I'm doing a lot better now than my dad was because I put in 14-hour days.

11:16 I have better ideas than the other guys in in the same industry I work in.

11:21 Um, so you earn your way in the world."

11:24 Whereas my mom's view was completely different.

11:27 You know, it was everybody deserves and you

11:31 only don't have because someone else has.

11:34 So these two completely opposite conflicting world views that you get as a kid,

11:38 you kind of start having to learn to think things

11:41 through and try to figure out well which one is correct?

11:43 How do I know which one is correct?

11:45 And how do I filter through these ideas

11:47 to figure out which world view is more accurate?

11:50 What should I follow because I'm

11:52 getting completely different directions from both parents.

11:55 And I remember the best piece of advice

11:57 my dad ever gave me um especially being a woman.

12:01 He said self-esteem is not based on external validation.

12:08 You will never get a sense of self-esteem, a true sense of it,

12:11 from people telling you you're pretty or telling you

12:14 they like you or saying you did a good job.

12:16 You get your real self-esteem from making good decisions and learning

12:21 that you can trust yourself to do the right thing.

12:24 Um and that was one of the first pieces that I felt really clicked for me.

12:29 Uh that you know, maybe dad's on to something.

12:31 Maybe his world view is more correct and as I

12:34 went through school and saw that, you know,

12:38 if we had a group project or something,

12:41 often times people would want to be on my team.

12:43 Oh, I want to do the group project with Rachel cuz they know uh I care about it.

12:47 I'm going to try hard and I'm going to make I want to get an A on the project.

12:51 So so they could sit back and kind of relax and kind of let me do

12:54 all the work and I thought this must

12:56 be that merit-based stuff dad's talking about, right?

12:59 So yeah, just my experiences going through life,

13:02 I felt like my dad's world view was a lot more matched

13:06 up with reality than my mother's idea that uh people just deserve.

13:10 We're all just born deserving what we want

13:12 and someone needs to provide it and if they don't,

13:15 it's because of evil or oppression in the world.

13:17 You have a book, a cult feminism.

13:19 Do you think a big reason you decided to write this book was trying

13:23 to maybe understand what could have led to the society that shaped her views?

13:30 Oh, definitely.

13:31 Um, and I I wrote it with the idea in mind that I have four daughters.

13:36 And I hope to have a lot of grandkids.

13:37 If the Lord grants me that, I would be so happy.

13:40 And I I wanted to make sense of the world, like you said, uh,

13:44 what kind of society shapes a woman the way that it

13:49 did my mother and so many other women like her.

13:52 Like if you look at the popular culture,

13:53 you look at things like Sex in the City, you look at every pop star,

13:57 like Sabrina Carpenter right now is making a multi-million dollar a year

14:01 industry off of cute little man-hating songs and things like this, you know.

14:06 And I [snorts] was trying to make sense of how did we get here?

14:10 Because, uh, my mom wasn't around a lot growing up because of all her issues.

14:15 I would get sent to the to my grandparents' house all the time.

14:18 And so I grew up mostly with my grandmas.

14:20 And, uh, one of them just turned 100 on April 1st,

14:23 and she was probably the most influential person on me.

14:26 And again, got a totally different view of the world

14:29 from her than I did from my mother.

14:30 And she was much more traditional and a very like practical, hard-working lady.

14:36 Um, not political at all.

14:38 Grandma didn't care about politics.

14:40 She wasn't talking about politics.

14:42 She was worried about, you know, getting the house cleaned,

14:44 cooking dinner, um, taking care of the grandkids, those sort of things.

14:48 And I feel like, um, the world she grew up in was so different from the one

14:55 that created my mother and from the one that shaped me.

14:58 Almost everybody today kind of looks around

14:59 and we all know that like something's off.

15:02 Something's not working.

15:03 Men and women are kind of pitted against each other

15:05 and we have these dating apps and like nobody's happy and nobody's

15:08 having kids and nobody knows what to do about it

15:10 and everybody knows that something is wrong or something is off,

15:15 but nobody really knows what it is.

15:16 And it's it's right in our face, but because we're swimming in feminist waters,

15:21 just like a fish doesn't know it's swimming in water,

15:24 we don't realize that that's what it is.

15:26 And that's why I was like,

15:27 I I really got to write a book because I feel like I could explain,

15:30 now that I have done so much research and read so much history,

15:33 I spent years reading early feminist writings, you know,

15:37 going back to Mary Wollstonecraft or even before,

15:40 which is something nobody does.

15:42 Unless you're going to college for gender studies,

15:45 and then of course you're going to read it through

15:46 the lens of feminism was wonderful and it's awesome and it's great.

15:50 But me reading it through more of a skeptical lens of like,

15:52 I just want to know what happened.

15:55 You know, I hadn't even decided that it was evil or satanic.

15:58 I didn't know any of that.

15:59 I was just like, I want to know what happened.

16:01 I'm curious.

16:02 Not what she wrote, but who is this person that wrote

16:06 this and why did they write it and who funded it and who Yeah.

16:09 uh made it popular.

16:10 Yeah, why did somebody like Mary Wollstonecraft in the late

16:14 1700s at the height of the revolutionary period,

16:16 why did she write Vindication of the Rights of Woman,

16:19 which is like the first big feminist uh publication.

16:24 The the kind of the thing that started it all.

16:27 Um why did she write that?

16:28 Like, what was going on in her life?

16:29 What was the society like around her?

16:32 What things prompted her to want to write such a thing?

16:35 How did people respond to it?

16:37 So I spent years reading that stuff.

16:40 And then once I felt like, okay,

16:41 I've got like a really clear picture on what I think happened,

16:45 I want to write a book and I really thought

16:46 it would be for my kids and for my grandkids.

16:48 I never thought it would blow up and become like a best-seller.

16:51 Um I just wanted to help them like

16:54 as my daughters are growing up and they're deciding,

16:57 do I want to start a family?

16:58 Do I want to have a career?

16:59 Like, which way do I want to go?

17:01 I just wanted them to know the truth.

17:03 This is my big thing with feminism is that uh if this is a movement for women,

17:08 if it's for me, if it's for my daughters and it's for our benefit,

17:12 we should know the truth about it.

17:14 We should know the truth about how it came about,

17:16 who pushed it to the forefront, who paid to push it to the forefront,

17:21 why there needed to be a century and billions of dollars worth of propaganda,

17:25 why the CIA had to get involved to create things like Ms.

17:29 Magazine to push this stuff on the culture.

17:31 Like, we should know that as women.

17:35 If we If we are the benefactors of feminism,

17:38 you could at least tell us the truth.

17:40 I think it's very patronizing to say, "Ah, don't look at that.

17:44 Don't look at that.

17:45 Just look Just you don't want to be stuck in a bad marriage,

17:48 do you?" You know, "Don't you want your own money?" So,

17:50 that's why I wrote the book,

17:51 cuz I I just feel like women deserve the truth about it.

17:54 Rich, when most people think about how feminism actually started,

17:58 they maybe think of early 1900s, women marching, figures like Susan B.

18:04 Anthony, the suffragettes, uh,

18:07 but your book says feminism started thousands of years earlier.

18:11 Yeah.

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19:22 So, where does the real story of feminism actually start?

19:25 At the beginning of humanity.

19:28 Of course, I'm a Christian,

19:29 so I'm going to look at things through my Christian lens,

19:32 but even if you're not, let's say you're secularist,

19:35 you don't care about the religious part.

19:39 [snorts] Clearly nature has a hierarchy.

19:41 Men are physically stronger, physically bigger, um, than women are,

19:46 and that's why through all of history

19:48 until technology made it possible to have feminism.

19:52 Like if you're wondering, why did we never have this feminism stuff?

19:55 Why didn't it take over until the last 100 150 years?

19:58 It's because we needed an industrial revolution and then a technological

20:02 revolution to create a world where women could be equal.

20:07 Meaning, uh, women can go out and earn a living just like a man.

20:11 They can drive on roads that were built by men in a car that was built by men

20:15 and is maintained by men to an office building

20:19 that men built with an electrical power structure and, uh,

20:22 telecommunications that are all built and maintained by men.

20:26 And they can sit at a computer and have a job and say,

20:29 "I'm equal with men and I'm the same as men." 2 300 years ago,

20:34 there was no such thing.

20:35 If you were on a farmstead working alongside your husband, sure, you worked.

20:39 You got up and you took care of the children, you milked the cows,

20:42 you turned the butter,

20:44 you did all of the, you know, domestic agricultural stuff.

20:48 But you knew that you couldn't, you know, uh,

20:51 take giant steel beams and move them like your husband and his friends could.

20:55 You knew that the barn raising was done by the men because that stuff's

21:00 heavy and you have to be big and strong in order to move,

21:04 you know, big heavy things and do heavy dangerous work.

21:07 So, there wasn't this idea that like men and women are inherently equal.

21:12 And when I say equal,

21:13 I don't mean in value in the eyes of God or in value in the eyes of people even.

21:18 It's more just that it's very clear that there's a biologically

21:22 based difference between men and women and each have their own responsibilities,

21:27 their own burdens, their own roles

21:29 to play because we are not interchangeable widgets.

21:33 Now that we have technology, everybody thinks we are.

21:35 So, I went back I thought it was going to start

21:38 around Mary Wollstonecraft and then as I went further back,

21:42 I realized there were women like Christine de Pizan who

21:45 was a writer for the French court in the 1500s.

21:48 She was actually Italian, but um became a prominent writer and worked

21:53 for the French aristocracy and made her own money, became published,

21:57 um and she even wrote a lot about, you know,

22:01 why we why she thought we should push women

22:03 to a higher station in society and things like that.

22:05 And I thought, "Oh, that's interesting." You know,

22:07 that's a little earlier and I kept kind of working my way back.

22:11 And you realize that from the beginning of humanity,

22:14 whether you think that's in the Garden of Eden

22:15 or whether you think that's in ancient Mesopotamia,

22:19 there's always been this hierarchical balance

22:22 of men having a monopoly on physical

22:25 force and women having a monopoly on reproduction and who gets to reproduce.

22:31 What do I mean by that?

22:32 If you look at genetic studies, each of us alive today has twice

22:36 as many female ancestors as we have male ancestors.

22:41 And the reason for that is because as a woman, all you need to do to, you know,

22:46 reproduce and make a genetic copy of yourself is be fertile.

22:49 And some man is going to come along and he's going to fertilize you, [laughter]

22:53 right?

22:54 That's really all you have to do.

22:55 For men, it's never been like that.

22:57 You've always had to either be able to, you know,

23:00 compete and dominate with other men by force or by having

23:04 more resources or more wealth or status than them.

23:06 You had to have, you know, either had to take a war bride or get permission

23:10 from a woman's father um in ancient times in order to reproduce.

23:14 And a lot of men died before they got the chance to do

23:17 that, whether in war or by doing dangerous work um things like that.

23:23 So, there's always been this kind of uh hierarchy.

23:28 And what feminism did was it said, "We're going to try to equalize that.

23:33 We're going to try to equalize the hierarchy.

23:35 We're going to try to boost women up to where we think

23:38 men are." But the problem there is that along with the power

23:42 that men had came a lot of responsibility and difficult duties

23:47 that women either don't want to fulfill or physically cannot fulfill.

23:52 Women have a duty that men cannot physically fulfill, which would be childbirth.

23:56 So, from my view looking at history, there was a balance in place.

24:02 And what feminism did was threw the balance

24:04 off completely and shifted a whole bunch

24:07 of power to women without the corresponding duties

24:11 and responsibilities and accountability that would go with that.

24:14 So, if you look at ancient times, you had um women's only agency was things

24:21 like temple prostitution being uh you know, a priestess.

24:26 You know, we're talking about pagan times like

24:28 ancient pagan Rome maybe would be a good example.

24:31 Uh women can either marry into wealth, power, and status.

24:34 They can be born into it or they can do something like

24:36 become a a temple priestess or a temple prostitute or something like that.

24:40 And that's I guess a form of like sexual liberation in ancient times.

24:45 And when Christianity came along,

24:47 it kind of did away with that and elevated women

24:50 to more of a holding them in a virtuous position.

24:54 Um not treating them as, you know, sacrificial lambs.

24:57 We're not, you know, sacrificing virgins to angry gods or anything like that.

25:01 We're saying, "No, women should be protected and provided for.

25:05 They should be venerated as mothers and and good wives,

25:08 and they should be chased and pure to the extent

25:11 that they can." And then men's job is to protect and provide,

25:15 and it it kind of it changed the social order

25:18 of men and women from what the pagan order was, depending on where you were.

25:23 So, the pagans, uh, what were like some of the goddesses they were worshipping,

25:28 and what were those societies that, like,

25:31 were kind of pushing that feminist, uh, flipping gender dynamics?

25:35 Yeah.

25:36 So, the my book opens going over some of this and how, like,

25:40 a lot of the ancient goddesses were, um,

25:43 you they usually were goddesses of fertility, um,

25:47 but they were also usually kind of vengeful and angry, a lot of them were,

25:50 which is why they've become popular again in feminist circles,

25:53 especially in the 1970s.

25:55 There was a goddess worship revival.

25:57 Um, and that's kind of going on now.

25:59 Like, if you go on TikTok, there's plenty of girls talking about like Lilith

26:03 or Inanna or some of these revitalized ancient,

26:09 uh, goddesses that they they worship.

26:11 And whether they worship them truly in a spiritual sense or whether they're

26:15 kind of worshipping them in like a not so much a literal sense,

26:19 but just saying, "I like this idea.

26:21 This is like an avatar of the the strong independent woman who gets

26:25 her revenge on men for trying to subjugate her." Um, it depends, right?

26:30 It has a similar [laughter] effect Yes.

26:31 Yes.

26:31 Yes, at the end of the day it's it's basically the same thing.

26:34 Interestingly, a great a great example of this is the first cover of Ms.

26:39 magazine.

26:39 Now, Ms.

26:39 magazine was the first feminist publication

26:43 that was like really popular in America.

26:46 There were feminist publications going back to the early 1800s,

26:50 but this was like a mainstream magazine that was

26:53 really pushed and became really popular in the 70s.

26:55 It was founded by Gloria Steinem and Clay Felker of the CIA.

27:00 So, it had CIA funding and CIA backing,

27:03 which is people probably think that's super weird.

27:05 Why would the CIA be interested in feminism?

27:08 And it was part of a Cold War project called the Congress for Cultural Freedom.

27:14 And this was an effort by the CIA to to compare

27:17 and contrast and distinguish us from Soviet Russia and say,

27:21 "We have this liberal freedom.

27:24 They are, you know, these these old-timey oppressors,

27:28 these communists." Um and it was kind of like

27:30 an anti-communist propaganda to push the women's liberation thing.

27:35 Like, "Hey, in the West you can be free as a woman and you

27:38 can't have that under the communists." Which

27:40 my second book is actually coming out later

27:42 this year is about that, about how actually

27:45 the communists were the first ones to really push the feminism in in government

27:49 and and make it legal under the Bolshevik regime.

27:53 But that aside, um the first copy of Ms.

27:57 magazine on the cover, now remember,

27:59 you're trying to market this magazine to suburban housewives in America in 1973.

28:05 And they picked the Hindu goddess Kali.

28:08 And she is a blue-skinned, kind of terrifying-looking Hindu goddess who Now,

28:15 I'm not saying this from the from the Hindu perspective cuz

28:18 I'll get Hindus that get upset with me and they'll message me,

28:20 "You're wrong about" No,

28:21 I'm saying the feminist from the feminist perspective in the 70s,

28:25 they saw her as a vengeful goddess who only accepts the sacrifice of men.

28:30 Um she, you know, eats the blood of men on the battlefield.

28:34 She is the dark mother.

28:36 Um and so there's this picture of her with six arms and in her six

28:40 arms she's holding a baby and an iron and a frying pan.

28:45 And there's even like a baby in her womb and on the cover it's,

28:49 you know, one of the issues it's talking

28:51 about abortion is one of the article topics.

28:54 So, there's like this baby in the womb

28:56 of the And she's dressed in like an apron.

28:59 And so, very bizarre choice, but what they were trying to get across

29:04 is like we're at this tipping point where

29:07 we're going to choose whether we're going to be

29:09 these domestic slaves who are just baby factories,

29:13 you know, all we are our life is not, you know, up to us.

29:17 We're subjugated by men and we're just forced to give

29:19 birth and be chained to the stove until we die.

29:23 Um, or we're going to become vengeful like goddesses

29:27 who get our revenge against the evil oppressive patriarchy.

29:31 So, I'm not saying Hindus believe this.

29:33 I'm saying feminists use these angry vengeful goddess archetypes

29:39 to as a like a cultural weapon to push the propaganda.

29:42 But, if you do go back to ancient times

29:44 that that was often the role of a goddess figure was fertility,

29:49 um, domination of men or revenge of men against men through sex.

29:54 So, if you look at like even like a lot of the ancient Roman gods,

29:58 a lot of the ancient Greek gods, and you read the mythology,

30:01 there's often this, uh, the gods are always fighting, right?

30:04 They're always at war.

30:05 Pagan gods are always fighting with each other, kind of like humans.

30:08 And the way that the female goddesses usually

30:11 get back at the men is by, you know,

30:14 eating their offspring, um, uh, seducing them,

30:18 using their sexuality as a weapon to get revenge, things like that.

30:22 And so, the feminist movement loves that.

30:24 They they love reading that mythology and turning

30:28 it into like a feminist, um, cry to battle.

30:33 Yeah, your book spends a lot of time on three ancient goddesses specifically,

30:37 Lilith, Kali, and Inanna.

30:40 Mhm.

30:40 Can you tell me a little bit about Lilith and Anana

30:43 and kind of like how they shaped uh modern feminism?

30:47 Yeah.

30:48 So, Anana was one of the most important goddesses in ancient Sumeria.

30:52 She was kind of one of the one of the top-tier ones.

30:55 There was a lot of temples built to her.

30:58 One of the oldest um like goddess stories that we have.

31:02 One of the oldest archetypes that we have.

31:04 And something you'll find with her that's pretty common across

31:08 all of these goddess archetypes is that they're they're a mother,

31:11 so they give life, they give birth.

31:14 They're usually also um fertility goddesses.

31:17 Um they use sexuality, like I said, as a weapon or um as a way to get power

31:23 or control uh because they don't have the monopoly on force.

31:27 The big male gods are stronger, you know,

31:30 physically or whatever whatever it might be.

31:32 And uh in ancient times when you

31:36 were worshipping one of these goddesses like Anana,

31:38 you would usually uh go to a temple prostitute.

31:41 And there was this sense that female sexuality

31:45 was like a way to connect with the divine.

31:49 Um and so prostitutes were often venerated, at least temple prostitutes.

31:53 Maybe not street prostitutes, but temple prostitutes were venerated.

31:57 They were um held in high regard.

32:00 So, it's like an early example of female sexuality being used

32:06 as this this way to elevate women because it's it can be a weapon.

32:11 Sexuality for women and seduction and fertility can is

32:16 a power that we have that men don't have.

32:18 We're the people who basically get to decide who gets to to reproduce.

32:22 Like I said, unless you're grabbing war brides or something,

32:26 but that wasn't most men through most of history.

32:29 Um and Lilith was I just want to clarify really quick.

32:32 So, temple prostitutes uh I kind of have a guess of what that is.

32:38 Like, is that a priestly woman that would participate in like a fertility

32:42 ritual with men for some kind of like explain what that is.

32:45 Yeah, it kind of depended on the the culture and the time

32:49 cuz it it changed and it differed a little bit,

32:51 but it was uh religious sacrament of sorts in the pagan world.

32:55 To you'd go to the temple,

32:57 you would meet with the temple prostitute, you would, you know,

32:59 have some kind of relations with her and that would be a way

33:02 to commune with the divine or a way to give an offering.

33:06 Um and that's something that has continued like

33:09 the modern occult rituals are kind of based on that.

33:12 They kind of take those ideas and and use them in occult rituals.

33:18 Um cuz that's all the occult is really is like a secretive type

33:23 of esoteric religious practice that takes

33:25 a lot of the ancient stuff like hermeticism,

33:28 um paganism, and turns it into like ritual magic.

33:33 You've written that one of the earliest modern movements to bring these ancient

33:38 goddesses back was a religion called

33:41 is it called Wicca or witchcraft technically?

33:43 Uh Wicca is a type of witchcraft.

33:46 So, it's like a subset.

33:47 Got it.

33:48 Yeah.

33:48 So, just maybe a theology known as witchcraft or religion known as witchcraft,

33:52 how do you define witchcraft and how is it connected to feminism?

33:56 Uh witchcraft, I took a whole chapter on it

33:59 to explain kind of the history of it and how it's

34:01 always been um a way for women who felt like

34:06 they were outside of the competitive female hierarchy to have power,

34:10 to get revenge, to uh think of the archetype of the witch.

34:14 Like the wicked witch with the big nose.

34:16 She's always ugly and haggard.

34:18 Um she's always dressed in black, wearing the pointy hat.

34:21 She lives in a cabin off on the edge of the woods away from the town.

34:25 Um she scares the children.

34:27 She kidnaps and eats the children.

34:30 Um and she give, you know, like think of Snow White,

34:33 think of Sleeping Beauty, like all of the fairy tales that we have.

34:35 The witch is always trying to hurt the young beautiful maiden,

34:39 trying to poison her with an apple, trying to steal her youth, steal her beauty.

34:44 These archetypes exist for a reason.

34:46 There's always been some women who don't

34:50 compete well within the hierarchy for mates.

34:52 So, if you're a pretty girl that men like,

34:56 you're charming, um, and men want to marry you, the system works great for you,

35:01 but there's always this minority of women who for whatever reason,

35:05 whether they're physically repulsive to men,

35:07 maybe they are their personality type is

35:09 very combative and and unappealing for men,

35:12 and they're kind of shunned by the patriarchy.

35:15 They're like, "Ugh, go over there.

35:16 We don't We don't really want anything to do with you.

35:18 We want the beautiful young nice girls that are

35:21 going to make good wives." And throughout history,

35:25 and this is not just according to me,

35:26 there's a witch who teaches about this at New York University that I,

35:31 um, reference in my book.

35:33 This is from her perspective as a second generation witch herself,

35:37 that those women have always gone outside of society

35:41 and practiced witchcraft as a way to uh,

35:45 have some power, have some influence, get some revenge, um,

35:49 take back what they feel they deserve that they're not getting,

35:52 that the rest of society has been benefiting from.

35:55 So, they this whole, uh, thing where men choose women and women choose men

36:00 and they get married and they have a nuclear family,

36:03 if that doesn't work for them, witchcraft is very appealing.

36:06 Cuz it's always very anti-patriarchy.

36:09 It's also very anti-Christian.

36:11 It's it's a way to kind of fight back

36:14 as a woman who the system doesn't work for.

36:18 So, that's why we have the archetype of the witch.

36:20 But, in actual history, witches, um,

36:24 everybody's heard of like the witch trials and, um,

36:27 you know, burning witches at the stake and things like this and uh,

36:30 in the middle of the 20th century, there was this big effort to make

36:36 the witch into a sympathetic character starting with L.

36:39 Frank Baum in The Wizard of Oz.

36:42 Now, L.

36:42 Frank Baum's mother-in-law was named Matilda Joslyn Gage.

36:47 She was one of the prominent suffragettes, a good friend of Susan B.

36:51 Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton, the two big figures of women's suffrage.

36:57 And L.

36:58 Frank Baum lived with her for a long time and and was very heavily

37:01 influenced by her and he wrote the character of Glinda the Good Witch after her.

37:07 Now, Matilda Joslyn Gage wrote a book called uh, Woman, Church, and State.

37:13 And this was her explaining how she felt that Christianity

37:17 and the state came together to oppress women and that Christianity was

37:23 the root from which women were oppressed and that if we

37:26 want to have real feminism and we want real women's liberation,

37:29 we've got to get rid of Christianity.

37:32 So, when L.

37:34 Frank Baum wrote The Wizard of Oz,

37:35 this was a big influence on him and that was the first time

37:38 that we've seen somebody try to make a witch into the good guy, basically.

37:42 But then that kind of continued um,

37:45 post-World War II when the culture wars began ramping up again,

37:49 we saw stuff like uh, the old TV show Bewitched um,

37:54 where it's a witch named Samantha who's cute

37:56 and adorable and she wiggles her nose and cast

37:58 spells and her she marries her husband and her husband's

38:01 always telling her not to use her witchcraft.

38:03 You be a normal woman.

38:04 You don't use your witchcraft.

38:05 You be a good wife.

38:06 Um, and and that was another kind of cultural attempt

38:10 to say it's if you read between the lines, it's saying,

38:14 "Hey, women in their powers and influence,

38:16 whether it's their sexuality or their spirituality,

38:20 um, why should that be oppressed bad men?

38:24 You know, maybe the witch is really the good guy.

38:26 You know, maybe she's the rebellious woman that's not going

38:29 to let men push her around and tell her what to do.

38:31 Um and then now in the last few years, we have Wicked,

38:35 which is this other big cultural phenomenon with Ariana Grande and uh

38:40 again we see a witch character who is really the good person

38:46 but is being painted as bad when when it's unwarranted and she's

38:50 actually the sympathetic character who's fighting

38:53 for what's right and she's just misunderstood.

38:56 So throughout all of history it was never that way.

38:59 Witches were persecuted and people think

39:01 that's because they were opinionated women.

39:03 That's not the reason at all.

39:04 If you actually go back and read some of uh the things

39:08 that were being written around the time of the prominent witchcraft trials,

39:11 a lot of the people who were uh not saying that there

39:14 weren't people who were wrongly accused

39:16 or wrongly tortured or anything like that.

39:18 There certainly were.

39:20 But a lot of the people who were persecuted

39:22 by the church for doing witchcraft were abortion providers.

39:26 So witches had herbal remedies and um knew how to do

39:31 like kind of primitive sur- surgical abortions and things like that.

39:35 They had tinctures, they had um herbal remedies to induce abortions.

39:40 Um and they often did do ritual magic.

39:43 That's where the broomstick comes from.

39:45 It's a little graphic, but in my book I explain where the idea

39:48 of the witch riding the broom comes from.

39:50 So in medieval times, uh there was a practice in witchcraft of using um

39:58 like it wasn't LSD cuz that hadn't been synthesized yet,

40:01 but there were like natural things like

40:03 ayahuasca or other type of psychedelic drugs, hallucinogenic drugs.

40:07 Um mushrooms would probably be the primary one.

40:10 They would make like a paste or a like a lubricant out

40:15 of that and put it on a broomstick and use it in a sex ritual.

40:19 So, you are sex is always at the most

40:22 powerful way to do ritual magic because the emotions

40:26 are so heightened and the belief is that you

40:29 can kind of access the divine through climax,

40:33 through this heightened emotional state.

40:35 So, that's why almost every famous occultist you've

40:38 heard of, like maybe somebody like Aleister Crowley,

40:41 they're always doing ritual sex magic.

40:43 It's because it's supposed to be the most powerful type of magic

40:47 that goes back to the temple prostitution that goes back to ancient times.

40:51 So, witches would indeed use hallucinogenic tinctures

40:56 as like a lubricant and then use something like

40:58 a broomstick and do ritual magic and that's where

41:01 the idea of flying on a broomstick came from.

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42:04 And so, when you see witches flying on broomsticks,

42:07 that's like a a subtle way of saying what they were doing.

42:11 Same thing with the pointy hat.

42:12 The pointy hat actually comes from Kabbalah.

42:14 A lot of medieval witches practiced Kabbalah and there

42:17 was like a black triangular kind of pointy hat

42:20 that people would wear back then when they practiced

42:22 Kabbalah and that's where the witches hat comes from.

42:24 So, But where does that come from originally?

42:27 Like the pointy hat, like what does that symbolize?

42:29 I'm not sure what it symbolizes.

42:30 There's a lot of You always see threes a lot.

42:33 Anything in threes, even in Christianity we have the trinity.

42:36 Three is like kind of a sacred sacred geometry thing.

42:39 Got it.

42:39 So, it's it's a triangle.

42:40 Yes, it's a triangle.

42:41 That makes sense.

42:42 So, from ancient Kabbalah is where

42:44 the the witchcraft hat kind of originates from.

42:48 And again, this is not Rachel telling you as a Christian.

42:50 This is me listening to lectures and reading books written by witches,

42:54 modern-day witches who are telling you proudly what their heritage is.

42:58 So, if you think I'm wrong, you got to go take it up with them.

43:01 That's what they told me.

43:03 [laughter] So, and a lot of witches were

43:04 actually prosecuted for practicing witchcraft, doing spellcraft.

43:08 Another really common reason a witch might have been persecuted or burned

43:12 at the stake was they were the uh primary purveyors of poison.

43:17 So, if you wanted to poison someone,

43:20 you went to a witch to get a poison so that you could poison someone, often men.

43:25 So, it's a really interesting historical fact that women have

43:29 always used poison as like a primary means of un-aliving someone.

43:34 Um, whereas men tend to use more brute force, uh that sort of thing.

43:39 And as we developed testing to identify if somebody was murdered with poison,

43:46 poisonings went down.

43:49 [laughter] Uh, it's kind of interesting, but that was like a a primary method.

43:52 If you wanted an abortion, if you wanted to kill someone by poison,

43:56 if you wanted to do ritual sex magic,

43:58 you went to the witch who lived outside of town.

44:02 So, if if you had to break down like

44:04 the real reason the witch trials happened, the burnings,

44:07 like would you say that all the women accused were accused

44:12 of those two specific things or was the Catholic Church an aristocracy,

44:18 like more mad at the actual magic they were doing?

44:22 Like what were they upset with?

44:24 Um I I think it was both.

44:26 Okay.

44:26 It was just that those were the things that were easier to prove.

44:29 Um and again, I'm not saying there were

44:31 not periods where maybe the Roman Catholic Church

44:35 or the Puritans in New England didn't get

44:37 hysterical and start persecuting people who were wrongly accused.

44:40 I'm sure that that happened.

44:42 But another thing that happened during the witch

44:44 trials that we never talk about is

44:45 that at least 20% of the people who were burned or drowned as witches were men.

44:51 So, plenty of men got accused of witchcraft as well.

44:55 And I think it was a time where

44:57 you do have some political things complicating matters.

45:01 The church is trying to, you know, keep power and maintain power.

45:05 That's true.

45:06 But it was the belief at the time

45:09 that if you had somebody who was doing these things,

45:12 that maybe the wrath of God and his judgment

45:14 is going to come upon you and your people.

45:15 If there's somebody in the town performing abortions on a regular basis,

45:18 we need to get rid of that.

45:20 Um so, from the perspective of the church,

45:22 these were things that, you know, were illegal.

45:27 They were crimes and they needed to be punished.

45:30 Um but yes, if you want to if you want to think of it this way,

45:35 they had legitimate reasons for wanting to persecute witches and then, you know,

45:42 at times it probably did get out of control

45:44 and there were probably a lot of people

45:45 who were falsely accused and it did become

45:47 a vehicle for people to make false accusations.

45:50 But the idea that there was no basis for it

45:52 whatsoever and this common trope that you hear now that, oh,

45:56 the witch trials were just awful patriarchal men who didn't

46:00 like women who had their own brains and their own thoughts.

46:03 And so, if you tried to speak up about an injustice,

46:06 they would burn you as a witch.

46:07 That's historically not accurate at all.

46:10 Yeah.

46:11 In reality, they were providing abortions and poisoning people.

46:14 And people were concerned that that would spread.

46:17 Yes, exactly.

46:18 Yeah, you never hear that.

46:19 So, that would make more sense.

46:21 I was always confused watching like the Salem

46:24 witch trial like plays or like movies about that.

46:26 I was like, what was going on here?

46:28 Like, were people just crazy?

46:29 But I mean, it seems like part of the history was left out.

46:32 Yes, a big part.

46:33 A big important piece was left out.

46:36 And that happens all the time.

46:37 That's I'm a super huge history buff.

46:39 I always have been.

46:40 And it's because almost any time

46:44 that you have a super dominant historical narrative,

46:46 if you go back and look, there are things that will challenge it.

46:49 There are counter narratives.

46:51 And um it's really tough to find exactly what the truth

46:55 is because it kind of does depend on who's telling it.

46:57 And they say that uh you know, history is written by the victors.

47:01 And it's rewritten all the time.

47:04 And I'm sure we'll talk about that with feminism and you know,

47:07 we can talk about college textbooks and what they've done there.

47:10 But yeah, if you go if you go back,

47:12 you can almost always find a counter narrative.

47:13 And it takes some sifting through and some

47:17 thinking about what was going on at the time, looking at the people involved,

47:21 um and who stood to gain from what to kind

47:23 of form a picture of what's maybe more accurate.

47:27 But there's a lot of history that we'll never fully know exactly what happened.

47:31 As we get later into feminist history, I'd say from the 1700s on, because

47:36 there was no telecommunications yet until you know,

47:39 the early 20th century, we have extensive written documentation.

47:43 So, I do feel really,

47:44 really confident that everything from, you know, 1700 to the mid-20th century,

47:51 we really know what was going on because

47:53 the primary way that suffragists and feminists communicated their message,

47:57 talked to each other, um that's all written.

48:00 They wrote each other letters, they wrote pamphlets,

48:02 they um delivered speeches, they debated publicly.

48:07 Actually, a lot of people think women were never allowed to speak.

48:10 They weren't Rachel, you're on a podcast right now speaking and you

48:13 couldn't do that if it wasn't for feminism.

48:15 That's not true at all.

48:17 Um women were in the 1700s publicly

48:19 speaking and giving speeches and um you know,

48:22 making a living touring talking about these things.

48:26 I do want to connect the Protestant Reformation and how

48:29 it paved the way for the rise of feminism.

48:31 But first, uh I'm not sure if you've seen this stat.

48:34 It was in 2002, only 30% of American women identified as feminist.

48:40 And by 2020, that has doubled.

48:43 And among Gen Z women, 68% of them identify as feminist.

48:49 And at the same time, the fastest growing religion among Gen Z women

48:53 in America isn't Christianity and it isn't atheism.

48:57 It's witchcraft.

48:58 Yes.

48:58 Do you think the rise of feminism and the rise of witchcraft is a coincidence?

49:03 Or do you think they're the same movement?

49:06 I definitely think they're the same movement.

49:08 So, that's why in the book I take a lot of time to show

49:11 the historical thread from ancient times through

49:14 medieval times all the way till now.

49:17 Um and of course, I'm not going to make it a a 5,000

49:20 page book where I'm I'm covering every single century of history.

49:24 I just kind of weave some important moments together through the ages

49:28 to kind of show there's it started as a spiritual battle.

49:32 It's still a spiritual battle.

49:35 Um and then the politics gets weaved in, of course.

49:39 So, Zsuzsanna Budapest, who is a Czechoslovakian witch,

49:43 she was uh an immigrant here uh in the '60s.

49:48 I think she I think she actually came during World War II she was

49:50 escaping some of the stuff that was going on in Eastern Europe at the time.

49:54 She was the first to get witchcraft laws overturned in the United

49:59 States in California where she lived under religious freedom clauses.

50:03 And she herself, who is still around, she I believe she's still around.

50:08 She was around during Trump's last

50:09 term leading spell casting rituals against Trump

50:15 with all the her witches that are on Facebook and TikTok who follow her.

50:18 [laughter] She's a much older lady now,

50:21 but she's still practicing witchcraft and you know,

50:23 cursing Donald Trump with her like a 13,000 member Facebook group, I believe.

50:28 Like it was like a lot of people casting It's a lot of people.

50:30 did it against Brett Kavanaugh, I believe.

50:33 Yeah.

50:34 Um What were they trying to accomplish?

50:35 Just give him bad luck?

50:37 Yes.

50:37 Okay.

50:38 To prevent them from coming to power, prevent them from getting,

50:41 you know, their agenda passed because of course from their perspective,

50:45 Donald Trump's going to enslave all the women and Brett Kavanaugh's going

50:48 to enslave all the It's going to be the Handmaid's Tale, right?

50:50 That's what they think.

50:52 So, um this woman said that uh feminism

50:57 is just the political arm of a spiritual battle.

51:01 That's according to a witch herself.

51:02 She says, "This is a spiritual battle and feminism

51:05 is just that political arm to help us

51:07 with the political power aspect that we need

51:09 to have the freedom to do things like practice witchcraft,

51:13 abortion." That's a big one.

51:16 When Roe v.

51:17 Wade was overturned a few years ago and it went back to the states,

51:21 there were multiple organizations including Native American organizations,

51:26 uh the Satanic Temple, and multiple um Wicca and witchcraft covens who

51:33 contested the the changing of the laws because

51:36 they said abortion is a ritual sacrament for them

51:39 and should be protected under religious freedom laws.

51:42 So, I This is not Rachel.

51:45 People you know, off the off the bat when they

51:47 see me and they hear me start talking, they go, "Oh,

51:49 she's one of those crazy Christians that thinks everything's the devil." Like

51:52 I'm Bobby Boucher's mother in The Waterboy and I think everything's the devil.

51:56 No, I'm telling you,

51:57 they're the ones who tell me witchcraft is a spiritual battle for feminism,

52:02 for for women's freedom, for revenge against the patriarchy.

52:05 You're saying that the church, it's a church of Satan,

52:08 is suing the state of Texas?

52:10 Yes, they did.

52:11 They they contested the change in the abortion

52:14 laws which like the heartbeat bill.

52:17 Yes.

52:16 Because they see abortion as a ritual sacrifice,

52:19 so it's necessary to their church.

52:21 Yes, exactly.

52:22 And if you go on TikTok and you search the hashtag witchtok,

52:27 you can find dozens of female creators on TikTok who will

52:31 show you how to uh make a ritual out of your abortion.

52:36 They'll show you how to make an altar,

52:38 how to you use the tissues that are removed from you in a ritual magic spell,

52:45 um and ritualize your abortion to give you power,

52:48 to give you things that you want in life.

52:49 Like this is People think this is Rachel being crazy, it's really not.

52:54 Like you said, witchcraft is the fastest growing religion,

52:57 especially among Gen Z women in America,

52:59 and they do mostly identify as feminists,

53:01 and they do think that from a spiritual perspective,

53:06 these things are empowering.

53:08 So, that the reason I have a an argument

53:12 that is original to me when I debate people on abortion,

53:15 and this will show you that what I'm saying

53:18 is true and that this is how they actually feel.

53:20 Because in the '90s, you you probably don't remember cuz you're very young,

53:24 but Bill Clinton would say, "Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare." Right?

53:29 That was the progressive stance in the '90s.

53:32 Now, we have switched to my body, my choice, abortion on demand,

53:37 you are not allowed to put any restrictions on it, no uterus, no opinion.

53:42 And what what this kind of proves when I

53:45 when I put forth this argument, it goes like this.

53:47 Uh I'll ask a woman if she thinks abortion should be legal, she'll say yes.

53:51 And I say all the way up until birth,

53:54 and sometimes they'll say yes, sometimes they'll say, "Well,

53:56 I would cut it off here, I would cut it off there." And I say, "What about this?

54:00 A woman goes in to get an abortion at 8 weeks." And the abortion doctor says,

54:05 "Good news, we have new technology.

54:08 We have artificial wombs.

54:09 We just created artificial wombs that are successful.

54:12 And you don't have to kill this fetus.

54:17 You can have it implanted into an artificial womb,

54:21 and you won't have any legal obligation to it,

54:23 you won't have any moral obligation to it.

54:25 It's just going to be a simple laparoscopic procedure,

54:28 no more risk than an abortion.

54:31 And uh you know, the only difference is, rather than killing it and removing it,

54:36 we're just going to remove it alive and let it

54:38 gestate and and fully grow and be born." I say,

54:43 "If there was such an option as this available,

54:45 would you then still be in favor of abortion?"

54:47 And I have not once had a woman say no.

54:51 Every single time they say,

54:52 "I still think she should be able to choose to kill the fetus." Mhm.

54:56 And then I ask, "Why?" And they don't really know.

55:00 And they're hesitant.

55:01 It's like they know they know I've kind of caught them in a trap.

55:04 They know it doesn't sound good to people that they just said that.

55:08 But really what they're saying is women need power,

55:12 and one of our greatest powers that we have is

55:16 to decide who gets to live and who gets to die.

55:19 That this is like a deeply held ancient power struggle,

55:23 and that women need the power to decide which men get

55:26 to have babies and which men don't for any reason at any time.

55:30 So, it kind of it kind of just gives

55:33 the game away a little bit psychologically that even if

55:35 they don't mean to phrase it that way or even

55:38 if they don't mean to put it that way,

55:40 something deep in their brain is telling them,

55:42 "I need the power to decide who gets to be born." And uh that's like a very,

55:48 very ancient concept that is and it's it is

55:51 a holy sacrifice type of a thing within witchcraft.

55:55 The people who push for abortion saw it as ritual sacrifice.

56:02 Yes.

56:02 And what does that mean exactly?

56:04 Like what was that sacrifice that they're doing?

56:06 Like what is that based off of?

56:07 Well, it it is based off of these ancient esoteric belief systems and it

56:12 is based off of like this inherent need for women to have power.

56:16 We we not having the power and force, you know,

56:19 having half of the planet be physically weaker

56:22 and smaller than the other half of the planet.

56:24 Um if you take this view that that means you're in danger,

56:29 that you're going to be oppressed,

56:30 that men can't be trusted, they have too much power,

56:33 which is you know, that's that's something that's always stated as if it's

56:38 a fact and it's probably the thing I have to battle against the most.

56:41 This inherent idea that men are just waiting to do bad things to women.

56:44 Like uh I've been on the Whatever podcast numerous times

56:48 and every time I'm on with a panel of young women,

56:50 I always ask uh if they could get away with it,

56:54 how many men do you think would sexually assault you?

56:57 Like if if men could get away with it,

56:59 what percentage of men in America do you think would

57:02 be out there sexually assaulting women whenever they felt like it,

57:07 if they knew they could get away with it

57:08 and I've gotten answers like 50%, 80%, 100%.

57:13 There's this like this uh thing programmed into us

57:17 and it it comes from an understandable place.

57:19 When you are the smaller, weaker sex physically,

57:22 it makes sense to be nervous about that, to be worried about that.

57:27 But in order to believe that all men are inherently,

57:30 you know, violent and wanting to do something bad to you,

57:33 you have to believe that throughout all of history men didn't want

57:37 to protect their wives or their mothers or their daughters or their sisters,

57:41 that men haven't fought entire wars in order to protect

57:45 the women of their nation or their people group.

57:48 Uh and that kind of that goes against logic as well, right?

57:51 But we don't think about that because we're

57:53 in modern times and we don't think about the barbarians

57:56 at the gates trying to come in and and steal

57:58 all the women and take them off to be war brides.

58:00 And that was historically a big problem and a major concern.

58:04 So, there is something baked into men that hey,

58:07 this woman is producing my offspring.

58:10 I need to protect her.

58:12 I love her.

58:13 I want to take care of her.

58:14 I want to protect and provide for her.

58:16 So, we forget that that's the primary thing that's baked into men,

58:21 not this inherent desire to be destructive

58:24 and violent and and hurtful towards women.

58:27 But what feminism has done, because it was deeply unpopular when it began.

58:33 And women didn't like it.

58:34 Susan B.

58:35 Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton both

58:37 write extensively in their memoirs about terrible

58:40 women like me who didn't think feminism was going to be good for them.

58:45 Uh and they wrote that these women already have pretty much

58:48 everything they want and they do feel they're privileged in society.

58:52 They can work a job if they want to.

58:54 And this this is the myths that people believe.

58:56 They think women couldn't do anything,

58:58 they couldn't own anything, they were just slaves.

59:01 Um and that's because of pop culture stuff.

59:03 But if you read the writings of suffragists, they say you know,

59:06 the first some of the first universities in this country

59:09 were women's seminaries and women's higher education colleges.

59:13 Right.

59:13 Women have enjoyed higher literacy rates in most

59:16 places for a lot of American history.

59:19 Uh they have a lot of laws in place to protect them,

59:22 to protect their assets when they enter into marriage.

59:24 Like New York for instance had a law that uh if

59:27 a woman came into a marriage with money or land or an inheritance,

59:32 that her husband could not sell it or do anything with it unless he could prove

59:38 to a judge that she authorized him to do that and that she was not compelled.

59:44 So, the judge had to not only, you know, hear the man say, "Yes,

59:47 she said I can sell this land." He would have to talk to the woman and say,

59:51 "You're not being compelled, you're not being forced,

59:53 you know, you're not being,

59:54 you know, you don't feel like you're being made to do this.

59:57 This is your own volition that you want

59:59 to sell this asset." And she would have to say,

1:00:00 "Yes." And women were afraid they would lose these privileges.

1:00:04 They were afraid that they would be, by being made equal with men,

1:00:08 we would have all these responsibilities on us that really aren't for us.

1:00:12 And so, in order to sell it to a to women who didn't want it,

1:00:18 I think the Massachusetts referendum,

1:00:21 only 4% of women who could even vote on whether

1:00:23 they wanted the vote came out and said they wanted it.

1:00:26 So, it was really, really unpopular.

1:00:28 For like the first 75 years of the movement,

1:00:30 it was deeply unpopular with women and had more support from men.

1:00:34 They had to ban women from voting as well

1:00:37 on whether or not they could vote, right?

1:00:39 Yes.

1:00:39 So, there were multiple suffrage groups,

1:00:42 and the two biggest ones stopped women from being able to vote

1:00:47 on whether they wanted the vote because it was they were just getting clobbered.

1:00:51 In every state that they had a referendum,

1:00:53 it was just voted down unanimously by women.

1:00:56 And they said, "Look,

1:00:57 we we just can't let women vote on whether they want to vote

1:01:00 anymore cuz it's not going well for us." Which I think is really funny.

1:01:04 And people hear people learn that and they're like, "Whoa, that's crazy.

1:01:08 I can't believe that." But it's true.

1:01:10 It did gain popularity, and by about 1920,

1:01:13 it was a small majority of women who did support it.

1:01:16 But you have to remember, this is a campaign that started in the 1840s.

1:01:20 So, it took them about 80, 85 years of propaganda and massive amounts

1:01:26 of money pushing feminism and World War

1:01:30 I and the effects of World War I to get women on board with this.

1:01:35 They really didn't want it.

1:01:37 So, this is where a lot of the myths about men being evil and violent and bad

1:01:42 and and you have to watch out because

1:01:44 they're just waiting to hurt you and abuse you.

1:01:46 That's where a lot of this comes from.

1:01:48 Is needing a way to get women on board.

1:01:51 And you might wonder like why?

1:01:53 Why you know, why would they want to push this so much?

1:01:56 Who would want to push it?

1:01:58 And a lot of the early support for feminism came from socialists and communists.

1:02:03 Aside from the occultists as well who didn't like

1:02:05 Christianity and saw it as this patriarchal oppressive archaic religion.

1:02:10 Um socialists and progressive area industrialists.

1:02:14 So, we're talking about like these big families,

1:02:16 the Rockefellers, the Carnegies, um the Vanderbilts.

1:02:21 They wanted a progressive era batch of reforms.

1:02:26 This whole big agenda that that they succeeded in and that we're

1:02:30 living under now where you would have an income tax,

1:02:34 you would have a central banking system, the Federal Reserve Act,

1:02:38 you would have compulsory education system,

1:02:40 so now the state is in charge of educating the children.

1:02:43 And uh they needed numbers for that to get that passed.

1:02:48 Um they also wanted things like welfare, massive welfare programs.

1:02:52 Um they wanted open borders because these are the people who need, you know,

1:02:56 low-wage workers for their factories

1:02:58 and to expand factories and to build railroads.

1:03:02 So, a great way to accomplish this is you get women voting

1:03:07 and they know that women are going to vote for safety and security over,

1:03:12 you know, freedom and liberty.

1:03:13 They know that women are going to you can weaponize maternal instinct

1:03:18 to you know pass welfare reforms to get all these things passed.

1:03:23 You could never get the progressive era agenda passed without women's votes.

1:03:26 So those were the people who primarily financed pushing through the 19th.

1:03:32 Women didn't want it.

1:03:33 It came from socialist men basically.

1:03:36 Who was the first woman to run for president in the US?

1:03:39 That was Victoria Woodhull.

1:03:41 Uh she was nicknamed by the press Mrs.

1:03:43 Satan at the time and she was a pretty dubious figure.

1:03:49 She's one of the uh feminist characters that I

1:03:52 don't think you're going to hear a lot about if you go to a gender studies

1:03:56 program because she makes the movement look pretty bad.

1:03:59 Uh she was raised by her father who was a criminal and she

1:04:04 and her sister were raised learning how to kind of scam people.

1:04:09 They were snake oil salesman.

1:04:10 So they sold fake cancer cures to sick people.

1:04:13 Um they did tarot card readings, fortune-telling, things like that.

1:04:18 And they actually had criminal warrants out for their arrest in multiple states.

1:04:22 So they were always moving around a lot and she was an early proponent.

1:04:26 Now we're talking 1860s, 1870s.

1:04:29 And Victoria Woodhull was very outspoken

1:04:32 about wanting to legalize sex work prostitution.

1:04:36 Um [snorts] she called she was the first to call marriage prostitution

1:04:40 by another name which later feminists like Andrea Dworkin um and other radicals

1:04:46 of like the 60s and 70s picked that up and ran with it

1:04:49 saying that you know being married is just like being a prostitute.

1:04:52 It's just that you know you're getting

1:04:54 you're getting room and board instead of cash, you know, basically.

1:04:58 Um and she wanted no-fault divorce or some form of like

1:05:03 just like legal civil marriage rather than this religious sacrament stuff.

1:05:09 Uh and she had some really wildly progressive views for her day and she was

1:05:14 the first to publish the Communist Manifesto in English

1:05:19 in the United States and widely distribute it.

1:05:22 Now, the way she got the money to do that, the way she got the money to open

1:05:27 her own printing press and publish the Communist Manifesto

1:05:31 is she said she was told in a vision,

1:05:33 in a dream by an ancient Roman ghost that she needed to go

1:05:38 to New York and find Cornelius Vanderbilt and make friends with him.

1:05:43 So, she did that.

1:05:43 She went to New York and had nothing to do with her running

1:05:46 from the cops in four different states

1:05:48 that all had warrants for her arrest, I'm sure.

1:05:51 Um, but she went to New York and found

1:05:52 Cornelius Vanderbilt and she got into a network

1:05:55 of um prostitutes in New York who

1:05:59 their johns were mostly like famous Wall Street guys,

1:06:02 rich traders on Wall Street.

1:06:04 And she knew kind of the prostitutes that they frequented

1:06:07 and she would uh make friends with them, give them money,

1:06:10 help them with things in exchange for uh intelligence,

1:06:15 in exchange for um spying on these rich Wall Street guys.

1:06:20 And she went to Vanderbilt and said, "Look,

1:06:22 I can kind of help you with some of your investments because I'm

1:06:26 getting insider information from this prostitution

1:06:28 ring that I'm a part of." Now,

1:06:30 she also said that she was doing uh mediumship and fortune-telling for him.

1:06:35 Now, whether he believed in that or not, I couldn't tell you.

1:06:38 But, they gamed the stock market in the first

1:06:41 big crash in the 1880s and Vanderbilt made a fortune.

1:06:45 I think 26 million in today's money.

1:06:48 It was a huge amount.

1:06:49 Everybody else lost their butt.

1:06:51 And he came out like a bandit.

1:06:53 And so, the New York Times interviewed him and they were like,

1:06:56 "How did you manage this?

1:06:58 Very interesting." I'm sure there was a lot

1:07:01 of eyeballs on him and a lot of suspicion.

1:07:02 So, the New York Times wanted to interview him.

1:07:04 How did you do this?

1:07:05 And he said, "Do as I do,

1:07:06 and consult the spirits." So, he said that this fortune-telling woman,

1:07:12 you know, told him what moves to make so

1:07:15 that he uh made this massive fortune in the crash.

1:07:18 But, really it was that she was

1:07:19 getting insider trading information from a prostitution ring.

1:07:23 So, either way you look at it,

1:07:25 whether you believe that he or Victoria believed these spiritual things,

1:07:28 maybe they did, maybe they didn't.

1:07:30 I don't know for sure.

1:07:32 I have I think they did at least

1:07:33 to some extent because spiritualism was really popular in America.

1:07:37 But, I think they also knew it was

1:07:38 a really good way to cover this kind of activity.

1:07:42 Um and so, she took the Cornelius Vanderbilt gave

1:07:45 her a big chunk of money from that deal,

1:07:48 and that's what she used to open Woodhull& Claflin's Weekly,

1:07:52 um her publishing company,

1:07:53 and the first female-owned uh stock market trading company.

1:07:58 I know you had uh a big focus

1:08:01 of your research was kind of opening up the feminist movement,

1:08:04 but did you look into Vanderbilt and see anything interesting about him?

1:08:08 Uh there's a bunch of interesting things about a lot of the Vanderbilts, yeah.

1:08:12 Um so, like uh Alva Vanderbilt Belmont was another big funder of um suffrage.

1:08:20 And at this time with these Gilded Era progressives, um this is like new money.

1:08:26 This is a time where industrialists are becoming

1:08:29 some of the richest people in the world

1:08:31 for the first time rather than people like monarchs

1:08:33 or or people who had come from old money,

1:08:36 you know, like Rothschild banking dynasties or um you know,

1:08:40 British royal family owning most of the real estate in the world.

1:08:43 This is the first time in history that um you know,

1:08:47 regular people could become captains of industry and get into this circle.

1:08:53 And the Vanderbilts did have connections with Rothschild banking.

1:08:56 Um Alva Vanderbilt Belmont's first husband was one of those.

1:09:01 Uh she got a divorce from him.

1:09:03 So, this this idea that you could never

1:09:04 get a divorce before no-fault divorce is wrong.

1:09:08 Plenty of divorces were granted.

1:09:10 In fact, I think I just I was just doing some research on that and I think

1:09:14 at the turn of the century there was tens

1:09:17 of thousands of divorces being granted already every year.

1:09:20 [clears throat] So, you just had to have a reason.

1:09:22 You couldn't just go and say, "Ah,

1:09:23 I'm not feeling it anymore and the neighbor makes me feel sexy,

1:09:26 so I'm leaving." You had to You had to, you know,

1:09:29 say that there was either like abuse, abandonment, addiction,

1:09:34 some some kind of serious enough issue to grant a divorce.

1:09:38 But, she she was one of the first women in America

1:09:40 to become extremely wealthy from divorce by divorcing her first husband.

1:09:45 And then her second husband was a Belmont who was

1:09:49 also another wealthy person connected with the Vanderbilts and the Rothschilds.

1:09:53 These These are people that all kind of run together in the same circles.

1:09:56 And then he died, so she inherited his wealth, too.

1:09:59 So, she became one of the wealthiest women in the world

1:10:02 and was one of the primary funders of suffragists.

1:10:05 So, like if you ever hear about the suffragists who did the like activism,

1:10:11 like they would bomb post offices, they would smash windows on storefronts,

1:10:15 they would go on hunger strikes and things like that.

1:10:18 She was one of the people who would finance that terrorism.

1:10:21 And when those people got arrested,

1:10:23 bail them out so that they could continue doing that activity.

1:10:26 So, when you see organizations like Antifa doing that now,

1:10:29 when they have these wealthy benefactors

1:10:31 that bail them out and fund these things, that's been going on forever.

1:10:35 And that was a big a big factor in getting suffrage passed

1:10:39 was these acts of terrorism that would make it to the newspapers.

1:10:42 You create sympathetic characters out of the women and say they were

1:10:46 going on hunger strikes in prison and being force-fed and things like that.

1:10:50 And she was a very smart woman who knew how to publicize that.

1:10:53 She bought a lot of headquarters for suffragists and things like that, too.

1:10:56 but yeah, I mean a lot of these elite families, if you look into them,

1:11:01 they're into all kinds of suspicious activity and they

1:11:04 do tend to be the primary drivers of social engineering.

1:11:08 The Rockefeller family um and and what happened is

1:11:12 in the 20th century those wealthy families funded NGOs.

1:11:17 Non-governmental organizations like the Ford Foundation,

1:11:21 the Rockefeller Foundation, uh the Carnegie,

1:11:24 Vanderbilt, and Guggenheim, like these uh and there's tons of them now.

1:11:28 And arguably, those are the institutions that really run things.

1:11:33 If you want to If you want to look at who's really in power in America,

1:11:36 the NGOs have a tremendous amount of influence.

1:11:39 They decide who gets professorships at universities,

1:11:43 who gets funding for research,

1:11:45 what departments at what universities get funding for research.

1:11:48 They fund all the major political packs for political campaigns.

1:11:52 So, even back then at at the turn of the century,

1:11:55 these were the people who had the power

1:11:57 and the money to get these agendas passed.

1:11:59 It was not a grassroots movement.

1:12:02 If people don't take anything else from this podcast,

1:12:05 I want them to know that feminism was not

1:12:08 this grassroots groundswell where women looked around and said,

1:12:11 "Oh my gosh, we are oppressed.

1:12:13 Our Our living situation is intolerable.

1:12:16 We have drunk abusive husbands.

1:12:18 We are not allowed to do anything or have anything or be anyone.

1:12:22 We are subhuman and we are oppressed and we've got to do something about it.

1:12:26 We need voting rights.

1:12:27 We need political equality." That is not what happened at all.

1:12:31 Women didn't like it, they didn't want it, and it was forced from the top down

1:12:36 by wealthy progressive era industrialists who wanted sweeping social reforms.

1:12:40 They wanted to completely change the way society worked.

1:12:44 Simone de Beauvoir, who was the primary

1:12:48 like feminist intellectual of second wave, actually said this herself.

1:12:52 In an interview with Betty Friedan in the '70s, she said,

1:12:56 "I don't think any woman should be authorized to stay at home.

1:13:00 I don't think society should be run that way

1:13:01 at all because if there is such a choice,

1:13:04 too many women will choose that one." So,

1:13:07 she I mean, she kind of gave the game away and said

1:13:10 we want to create a society in which women have to work.

1:13:14 And so, now people say, "But Rachel, uh most women have to work.

1:13:19 We We can't stay home with our kids." And I say,

1:13:21 "Do you ever think about why that is?

1:13:24 Do you ever wonder how it how we got into that situation?

1:13:27 Cuz it wasn't like that at any other point through all of human history.

1:13:30 And we had wars, we had economic collapse,

1:13:33 we had famine, we had much worse times than now.

1:13:37 And even through those times, uh you know,

1:13:40 granted things were structured differently prior to the Industrial Revolution.

1:13:44 But even post-Industrial Revolution, after World War I, after World War II, yes,

1:13:48 sometimes the women went into a factory to help make bullets and bombs,

1:13:52 and then they went back home.

1:13:54 We never had this fundamental transformation of the economy

1:13:57 where now you need both parents working.

1:14:01 And that was by design, and that was on purpose.

1:14:03 And Simone de Beauvoir gave it away.

1:14:05 She said we we want to re-engineer society in such

1:14:08 a way that you don't have the choice to stay home.

1:14:10 So, when feminists tell you, "Feminism is about choice." That's a lie.

1:14:16 Maybe maybe some of them wanted it to be about choice.

1:14:19 Maybe the ones who have good intentions want it to be that way,

1:14:22 but what feminism has done is it has taken away women's choices.

1:14:26 Now, if you want to stay home with your kids, good luck.

1:14:29 It's rough.

1:14:30 You're You either have to have a wealthy husband, or you have to figure out,

1:14:33 "How can I have a side gig or a side job and make some money on the side just so

1:14:37 that we can get by, so I can spend more

1:14:40 time with the kids?" And that's what happened to me,

1:14:42 you know, I There was lots of points where I was forced

1:14:45 to figure out a way to try to make some money on the side,

1:14:49 but also wanted to be at home homeschooling my kids.

1:14:52 So, ask the average woman if she feels like she has

1:14:55 more choices now or if it's just you got to work.

1:14:59 You said the feminist movement is not a grassroots movement

1:15:04 and implied that it was really a movement to get women working.

1:15:08 Because that doubles the labor force.

1:15:10 Would you theorize that maybe the civil

1:15:13 rights movement wasn't a grassroots movement as well?

1:15:15 Oh, definitely.

1:15:16 Uh there's a guy in an effort to get people of color to work?

1:15:21 Maybe?

1:15:22 Uh there was a bunch of reasons for that.

1:15:24 So, um Chad O.

1:15:26 Jackson is a guy who um I I hope he's still doing stuff on YouTube.

1:15:29 He was a couple years ago and he he's kind of the same

1:15:32 counterpart to the civil rights movement as what I am to the feminist movement.

1:15:36 He's a black man who went back and researched the whole

1:15:38 civil rights movement and found the same thing I found.

1:15:41 That this was not a grassroots thing that came from black people as a whole.

1:15:45 That it was very astroturfed, very top-down funded,

1:15:49 uh a lot of intelligence agencies uh involved in that sort of thing.

1:15:53 Um and it's so it's it is very similar.

1:15:56 Almost all of the big social revolutions are not grassroots.

1:16:01 Even even the American Revolution, even the French Revolution.

1:16:06 If you go back and and really examine how those things started,

1:16:10 why they became, you know, popular, how how those things took place.

1:16:14 And it's the same thing with I don't know

1:16:16 if you remember back in the 2000s Occupy Wall Street.

1:16:20 That was not grassroots.

1:16:21 It was portrayed on television like it was, but it was not grassroots.

1:16:25 It was a corporate-funded, NGO-funded initiative.

1:16:28 And so, powerful people understand that they can use political power,

1:16:35 money, and influence to engineer society how they want it.

1:16:38 And um what was done through both feminism

1:16:42 and the Civil Rights Act is institutional capture.

1:16:46 So what will happen is, like I explained,

1:16:48 you get wealthy people that start a foundation.

1:16:52 The foundation gets all this tax-free money.

1:16:54 You get other big wealthy people and families

1:16:58 that donate to yours and you donate to theirs.

1:17:00 A ton of money gets thrown into this pile and what

1:17:02 you do is you vet people um who you think

1:17:07 can push your agenda and you place them in powerful

1:17:10 positions in different institutions and that's how you capture the institution.

1:17:14 For example, Gloria Steinem was sought out.

1:17:19 She was She was scouted and chosen from Smith College in the '60s.

1:17:24 And she was already, you know, into feminist ideology.

1:17:28 She was already writing about it.

1:17:30 And what will happen is um these wealthy people from the foundations are

1:17:35 watching to see like who's writing their, you know, PhD thesis on this.

1:17:39 Who's writing a master's on this and they're

1:17:41 kind of pushing the messaging we want.

1:17:43 We're going to offer that person a scholarship.

1:17:45 So Steinem was offered a Chester Bowles fellowship which never

1:17:49 existed and no one else has ever been given one since.

1:17:53 They They created it and it was basically a legal

1:17:56 way to give her a bunch of cash and say,

1:17:59 "We will support you and fund you if you work

1:18:01 for us and we're going to send you places and we're going

1:18:03 to have you push this message where we want it pushed."

1:18:06 And I'm sure to someone with that belief it sounds great.

1:18:09 So they say, "Sure." So the Ford Foundation

1:18:13 immediately after Steinem graduated sent her to India.

1:18:17 She received a bunch of training there.

1:18:19 Um she immediately gets of training?

1:18:22 Like a social engineering type of training where you're learning how

1:18:26 to push these cultural revolutions

1:18:29 in different societies and different atmospheres.

1:18:32 How to be a good propagandist.

1:18:34 So Uh, sent her to Eastern Europe and they

1:18:37 have her go to youth festivals and push feminist messaging.

1:18:40 She'd get up on a stage and give a speech.

1:18:42 She would talk to media in the area and give interviews, things like that.

1:18:45 They even had her go undercover at the Playboy Mansion as a Playboy Bunny.

1:18:50 And then infamously write articles about how

1:18:52 this was misogyny and and you know, uh,

1:18:55 why we need feminism to combat these sort of things and then they start Ms.

1:18:59 Magazine with her.

1:19:00 So, it's it's actually very simple and it

1:19:05 kind of circumvents the whole political process.

1:19:08 So, we think that in America we vote on who we want to run this country

1:19:14 and that those people go to Washington

1:19:16 and they pass the laws that the people want.

1:19:19 And in reality, um, ever since we've had universal suffrage,

1:19:23 that is not how it works and that's by design.

1:19:25 Again, if you want to know

1:19:26 why progressive era industrialists were pushing feminism,

1:19:29 it's because they know we get all the women into universities, right?

1:19:34 And then they can be radicalized.

1:19:36 We can teach them the history that we want,

1:19:38 we can teach them the agenda that we want and they become very good soldiers.

1:19:41 Women are very protective.

1:19:43 It's our maternal nature.

1:19:45 We want to make sure everyone gets something to eat.

1:19:47 We want to make sure everyone has a roof over

1:19:48 their head and that people are safe and that things are fair.

1:19:52 And the Marxists knew this, um, like August Bebel and Vladimir Lenin,

1:19:57 a lot of the Eastern socialists who were the pioneers of the Marxist revolution,

1:20:02 they would openly write about how we need to get young

1:20:05 women into university because if you get young women into university,

1:20:09 you can very effectively radicalize them and they

1:20:12 will do almost anything for the cause.

1:20:14 The cause becomes their child and they will die

1:20:16 for the the cause like they would die for the child.

1:20:19 So, this is why in Bolshevik Russia you had female assassins.

1:20:23 You had female agitators in public, um,

1:20:26 you know, attacking police, attacking the White Russians,

1:20:29 those anybody who worked for the Tsar, you know,

1:20:32 they're trying to shoot people, they're bombing places.

1:20:35 Much like right now, you see people like Renee Good.

1:20:38 You see women out in the streets of Minneapolis fighting ICE agents,

1:20:42 calling them horrible names, accusing them of terrible things, um,

1:20:46 cuz they think they're protecting this unprotected,

1:20:51 victimized class of people because they've been

1:20:53 radicalized in universities to believe that, you know,

1:20:57 there's this white oppressive class of men and that everybody

1:21:00 else is to varying degrees oppressed by those people

1:21:03 and so the the white man in power with the badge is bad and and the immigrant,

1:21:09 the brown immigrant guy, even if we're arresting him for child sex crimes,

1:21:13 he's the victim that needs to be protected.

1:21:15 Why do you think women are easier to radicalize

1:21:18 than men or I guess with propaganda specifically,

1:21:22 like what kinds of propaganda are used toward women versus men?

1:21:28 Uh, Marxist propaganda is I they they openly said,

1:21:32 like if you go back and read early Marxist writings,

1:21:34 um, from the people who pioneered and pushed the propaganda,

1:21:38 they knew this about women and they said the reason for this is uh,

1:21:42 women are much more easy to capture emotionally.

1:21:45 Men have to go out into the world and provide value.

1:21:48 They have to work and produce something to be valued by society.

1:21:51 They have a more logical nature to them.

1:21:55 They're a little bit less receptive to emotional pushes.

1:21:59 Not that men aren't.

1:22:00 You can definitely propagandize men as well, but they actually did a lot of, uh,

1:22:04 research and study on this in the 19th century of how to propagandize people,

1:22:09 uh, people like Edward Bernays,

1:22:11 if you've ever heard of him, like the father of marketing.

1:22:14 Um, they actually studied like how people respond to marketing

1:22:18 and to propaganda and to different ads and things like that, um,

1:22:21 and found that because women have this maternal nature,

1:22:26 um, you know, imagine like a litter of puppies.

1:22:29 Men will see a litter of puppies and go, "Oh,

1:22:30 it's cute." But if, you know, uh one of them is like,

1:22:34 you know, s- one of them's paralyzed or something and it can't move,

1:22:39 you should probably mercifully kill it or something like that.

1:22:42 Whereas the w- the woman will cry and she'll try to save it and she, you know,

1:22:45 women are just much more maternal and we

1:22:48 feel this innate drive to protect anything weak, anything uh helpless.

1:22:54 And that's good when you're a mother.

1:22:55 You want that.

1:22:56 You want women who are willing to sacrifice

1:22:58 anything to produce the next next generation.

1:23:01 If we didn't have that, human beings wouldn't exist.

1:23:04 I mean, imagine what it takes to go through a 9-month pregnancy,

1:23:07 a painful childbirth, uh several months of recovering after childbirth,

1:23:12 and then you're nursing an infant for 2 years.

1:23:16 [snorts]

1:23:16 And and you can practically do nothing

1:23:17 else because they're just stuck to all day.

1:23:20 Uh you have to have that innate maternal nature that that makes you feel like,

1:23:25 "I will sacrifice almost anything to protect this precious,

1:23:29 innocent thing that can't protect itself." So,

1:23:32 if you take that instinct a woman has and you weaponize it and you say,

1:23:37 "These people are oppressors.

1:23:38 They are violent.

1:23:40 They are bad.

1:23:41 They're trying to hurt the the the out group.

1:23:44 They're trying to hurt the weaker groups.

1:23:46 They're trying to, uh you know,

1:23:48 do evil things to those who can't protect themselves." Women feel very,

1:23:54 very compelled to do something about that.

1:23:58 And to the point that they're willing to sacrifice their lives.

1:24:00 And so, it's a weaponization of maternal instinct.

1:24:04 And the Marxist figured this out 150 years ago.

1:24:06 And what that was one of the big

1:24:09 reasons they wanted to push women into education.

1:24:12 They start giving all these scholarships, free college for women.

1:24:16 All these scholarships for women,

1:24:17 which now women hold 60% of college debt in this nation, by the way.

1:24:21 So, women are starting off 22 years old

1:24:24 with a college degree and an average of $45,000 in debt.

1:24:29 Which is already going to put you in a position

1:24:30 where you don't feel like you should start a family.

1:24:34 So, by sending all the women to college,

1:24:36 you can radicalize them, you can get them into the workforce,

1:24:39 they'll protect their jobs, they'll protect the corporation,

1:24:41 they will protect the order that sustains all these things.

1:24:46 You tell them that staying home is oppressive,

1:24:49 that that it makes them vulnerable and at risk

1:24:52 for abuse and that the only way is to, you know,

1:24:54 go to college, have your own money and and make

1:24:56 money for the corporation and pay taxes like a good citizen.

1:25:00 And this is something that worked really well.

1:25:02 Socialists knew that they needed numbers.

1:25:05 You don't have socialism or communism without numbers.

1:25:08 That's literally the whole basis of it, right?

1:25:10 Workers of the world, unite.

1:25:12 Well, half the world wasn't working outside the home.

1:25:16 So, you only had men.

1:25:17 And men understand hierarchy.

1:25:20 Men work within hierarchies.

1:25:21 If you get a group of guys in a room, there's a pecking order right away.

1:25:26 And if a group of men feels like a weak man is a threat,

1:25:31 they will usually like bully him, ostracize him,

1:25:34 take care of him in some way so that he's not

1:25:36 a threat to the group because men inherently want to protect their people.

1:25:39 They want to protect their their tribe, their group, their nation.

1:25:43 So, socialism was tough.

1:25:44 It was tough to get men to buy into it.

1:25:46 Some of the men who were more disaffected really liked the idea of socialism,

1:25:51 but anybody who was successful at competing

1:25:53 in the hierarchy wasn't going to go for socialism.

1:25:55 Anybody who had more masculine instincts and wanted a merit-based

1:26:00 system wasn't going to go for socialism or communism.

1:26:03 Ah, but we look at women.

1:26:05 That's half the population and we tell them this is

1:26:08 the only way to make sure everybody has enough.

1:26:10 This is a way to make sure everything is fair.

1:26:13 This is a way to help those who are weaker and more oppressed and protect them.

1:26:17 And sending them to college and indoctrinating them with this makes them great

1:26:22 revolutionaries and makes them diehards for the cause

1:26:25 and that's what we see now.

1:26:26 We see a shift from in the 19th

1:26:29 century women in America being more conservative than men,

1:26:33 especially on social issues.

1:26:34 You had things like the Women's Temperance Union.

1:26:36 You had women women's political causes prior

1:26:40 to suffrage were things like clean water and food.

1:26:44 Um environmental protectionism to the like not not the crazy stuff we have now,

1:26:49 not like the climate change stuff, but it was like, "Hey,

1:26:52 don't dump all of your toxic chemicals

1:26:53 into our drinking water because our children are dying

1:26:56 and that's bad." Uh they were they had a voice and they were well listened to.

1:27:01 They got um prohibition passed without being able to vote.

1:27:06 So women definitely had a voice and they

1:27:08 were listened to because they had a moral authority.

1:27:10 They had a moral high ground because

1:27:12 they weren't just another political voting block.

1:27:15 But what you do by enfranchising them with a vote

1:27:18 is now in every single campaign that we've had since 1920,

1:27:22 it radically changed how presidential and political

1:27:25 campaigns were carried out as well.

1:27:26 This is why every time we have a political cycle,

1:27:28 you see Democrats running ads like,

1:27:31 "Republicans want to take away your grandma's Medicare.

1:27:33 They want her to die." And they show them

1:27:35 pushing an old woman in a wheelchair off a cliff.

1:27:38 "They want to take away children's school lunches.

1:27:40 They want the children to not be fed.

1:27:42 They want to put kids in cages.

1:27:44 They want to you know, it's it's always this fear-mongering about what the right

1:27:48 wing is going to do to the vulnerable.

1:27:52 And women go for that.

1:27:53 They they overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

1:27:55 And they kind of you alluded to this earlier with the civil rights movement,

1:27:58 they do the same thing with black people.

1:28:00 Right.

1:28:01 They convince black people that, you know,

1:28:05 Republicans are these evil white racists who want to oppress

1:28:08 you and that Democrats are going to help you.

1:28:10 I remember after Obama got elected and and you know

1:28:14 in the stadium where he's doing his acceptance speech everyone's partying it's

1:28:18 this great atmosphere everybody's cheering oh my gosh it's the first

1:28:21 black president this is amazing it's going to change everything and they

1:28:24 interviewed a lady and they were like what are you feeling

1:28:26 right now and she was like I ain't going to have

1:28:28 to pay rent no more I'm not going to have to pay

1:28:30 car payments no more I'm going to get free food she

1:28:33 thought I'm going to get free stuff someone's going to take

1:28:36 care of me I won't have to worry anymore someone's going

1:28:39 to provide for me and it's like lady you could have

1:28:42 had a husband this whole time who would have done all

1:28:44 of that but you know what feminism did was convince women

1:28:48 that your husband is a threat he is dangerous the government loves

1:28:53 you and the government wants to take care of you and it

1:28:56 will replace your dad and it will replace your husband and it

1:28:59 will provide for you and it will protect you and it

1:29:01 will make things fair and that's exactly what we've gotten there's

1:29:06 an article on my Substack that goes over the last 45

1:29:09 years of data from all of the reporting agencies on things like

1:29:13 spousal abuse and child abuse and it shows that actually feminism

1:29:18 has made women far more vulnerable to domestic violence and especially children

1:29:23 than ever before and it does so by removing the men

1:29:27 in women's lives who have the most vested interest in their care

1:29:31 and protection your dad and your husband statistically the safest place

1:29:36 for a woman is with her husband and the safest place

1:29:40 for children is with their both married parents their biological father

1:29:46 and anytime you break that up children are at more risk

1:29:49 for abuse and women are at greater risk for abuse

1:29:51 the highest domestic violence rates are among cohabitating women like you live

1:29:55 with your boyfriend or um in lesbian relationships so um and and it

1:30:05 The breaks down how if men if husbands were the threat,

1:30:08 if if having a husband was the problem,

1:30:10 and that's the thing that makes you vulnerable to abuse,

1:30:13 we should have seen, you know,

1:30:15 some change in the rates going the other direction since no-fault divorce.

1:30:19 Women don't have to stay in marriages anymore.

1:30:21 They don't have to get married anymore.

1:30:23 They don't have to rely on a man anymore.

1:30:25 We should have seen domestic violence rates drop off for those groups.

1:30:29 And we should see more abuse in the trapped-in-marriage groups, and we don't.

1:30:33 It's actually the opposite.

1:30:34 So, women who are Christian and they're married and they're married

1:30:38 young have the highest satisfaction rates

1:30:41 and the lowest domestic violence rates, and it's actually the other way around.

1:30:45 You live with your boyfriend,

1:30:46 you're at 40% higher risk overall for some type of abuse or violence.

1:30:52 So, the less people get married, the more uh domestic violence, essentially.

1:30:57 Uh there's like a correlation or a high correlation there.

1:31:00 Yes.

1:31:00 Um something I want to ask you about

1:31:02 is very interesting that you noted was like,

1:31:05 is it your belief that women were more

1:31:08 conservative than men at a certain point in history?

1:31:11 Yes, definitely.

1:31:12 And you can actually go back and see this.

1:31:14 Um in the 19th century,

1:31:16 women were overwhelmingly more conservative with than men were.

1:31:20 They were less likely to support um you know,

1:31:23 some of the really progressive social reforms.

1:31:25 They were very pro-marriage.

1:31:27 They were very pro-family.

1:31:28 They felt like that was their sphere.

1:31:31 They felt like they had the most influence and the most purpose there.

1:31:34 And um they were very very much against crime.

1:31:38 They were like in favor of stricter punishments for criminals,

1:31:42 um things like that.

1:31:43 They were against things like welfare.

1:31:46 They were against things like um you know,

1:31:49 normalizing out-of-wedlock births and stuff like that.

1:31:52 And I always say that uh we have something I call the sisterhood.

1:31:57 And this is the collective hive mind of women,

1:31:59 and this is kind of how our brains work.

1:32:01 Um back in the day before feminism,

1:32:05 when marriage was the order of the day and patriarchy

1:32:08 was the order of the day throughout all of history,

1:32:10 women knew that men this is before we had, you know, paternity testing.

1:32:17 Men want to marry a woman that they know the child's going to be theirs.

1:32:21 To the extent that a man can assure paternity,

1:32:23 that's a good thing for him and he's going to look

1:32:25 for that and that's why chastity and virginity were always

1:32:28 a very highly priced thing cuz it was the best way

1:32:31 to make sure that the kids you're raising are your kids.

1:32:35 [snorts] And so women would say to each other, "Look, ladies,

1:32:38 if a bunch of you are going off and giving away the milk for free,

1:32:41 nobody's going to buy the cows, okay?

1:32:43 If a bunch of you are going off and having

1:32:46 all this sex and fornicating outside of marriage, it, you know,

1:32:49 all the guys go do that, you know,

1:32:50 they they go over there and do that and and it ruins it kind of for all of us.

1:32:55 Whereas if we all kind of hold out and say,

1:32:57 'Ah, you don't get any of that until you're married.

1:32:58 If you want that, you got to marry me, you got to provide for me,

1:33:01 you got to protect me.' That's how

1:33:03 we get the best deal collectively, okay, ladies?

1:33:05 So that's why they would slut-shaming was like the historical norm.

1:33:10 Right.

1:33:11 Women were the worst slut-shamers.

1:33:13 Women were the ones who looked down on prostitution and thought it, you know,

1:33:17 they wouldn't even look at prostitutes if they crossed them in the street,

1:33:20 they'd be like, "Ugh, can't even look at her." It was like this big

1:33:24 shameful thing and women were the ones that police that.

1:33:26 The sisterhood used to enforce chastity because it protected all women

1:33:31 and got us the best deal in marriage in a way, just to put it bluntly.

1:33:35 It seems like women would really just complain

1:33:39 or like shame other women or men on any kind

1:33:44 of like moral degradat- degradation behavior and that men

1:33:49 would be responsible for like solving it, I guess.

1:33:52 Yeah, enforcing it.

1:33:53 A woman's like, "Hey, like you guys really shouldn't be drinking all the time.

1:33:56 like, uh can we like make this prohibition thing illegal?

1:33:59 But like, why do you think like men, I mean,

1:34:03 it would have to make sense to me that men are better

1:34:06 at solving it and women are better at identifying what the problems are.

1:34:09 Is that your view?

1:34:10 Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it.

1:34:12 Yeah, and so what has happened since

1:34:14 feminism is now the sisterhood does the opposite.

1:34:19 Now the sisterhood is like, "Hey, and I get this all the time, right?

1:34:23 You're trying to take away women's rights.

1:34:25 We should be able to party like men and what

1:34:28 what does it matter if we have high body counts

1:34:30 and why can't I ride the carousel all through college

1:34:33 and then wait until I'm 30 until I'm ready to settle down.

1:34:36 Um don't you shame me for that and don't you you know,

1:34:39 fat shaming is bad and you you go girl, you let her do what she wants to do.

1:34:42 Who are you to tell her how she lives her life.

1:34:45 So now the sisterhood if you're like a young lady and you're

1:34:48 a virgin and you want to start a family instead of go to college,

1:34:51 your female friend circle will pressure you not to do that.

1:34:56 They'll pressure you and say, "You're going to just not go to college?

1:34:59 You need to go to college.

1:35:01 You've got to have an education.

1:35:03 You've got to get a good job and you got to live a little.

1:35:06 You've got to experience different men before

1:35:08 you know what you like and you know,

1:35:10 you have to have fun and be young and have your hot girl summer.

1:35:14 Cuz if you just get married to one guy and that's

1:35:17 the only person you ever sleep with, you're going to regret that.

1:35:20 You're going to You know, you're going to look around at all

1:35:22 the other options and you're going to have FOMO.

1:35:25 Uh you're going to be afraid that you're missing out.

1:35:27 So now the sisterhood does the opposite.

1:35:29 Like every single pop star,

1:35:31 every single female singer, Beyoncé, Taylor Swift, Sabrina Carpenter,

1:35:36 Katy Perry, all of the popular pop stars the last 20, 30 years.

1:35:40 Madonna would be the like the first big one.

1:35:43 Have encouraged women to be empowered by promiscuity.

1:35:48 Uh you know, it's cool to be promiscuous.

1:35:51 Yeah, you get notches on your belt just like the guys.

1:35:53 That's cool, you know,

1:35:54 you you do what you want and you get out there and experience life,

1:35:59 you know, it's like it's the opposite now.

1:36:01 So now girls who are virgins are shamed.

1:36:04 Now girls who are like, you know, I really just want to become a mother.

1:36:07 It's like like the amount of times I've been called a baby factory or you know,

1:36:14 you never did anything but pop out babies like this denigration of motherhood.

1:36:19 This Ew, gross, crotch goblins.

1:36:22 You know, like the the the condescending disgusting names they have

1:36:26 for children and the way that we talk about motherhood now.

1:36:30 Oh, you you're just mad because you were never able

1:36:32 to do anything with your life but pop out kids.

1:36:35 You know what I mean?

1:36:36 It's it's flipped so much.

1:36:39 Right.

1:36:39 A hundred hundred fifty years ago the woman

1:36:42 in town who got married at 20 and had seven

1:36:46 children and ran her household well and was well-behaved

1:36:50 and not drunk and was modest and sensible and wise.

1:36:57 The wise matrons of society,

1:36:59 those were the women that we used to hold up and revere.

1:37:03 Like that's how I thought of my grandma who's who's a hundred, right?

1:37:06 Like she really has it together.

1:37:08 She's she's got good control of herself.

1:37:11 She's very measured in what she does.

1:37:12 She's very responsible.

1:37:14 You can always count on grandma.

1:37:15 She's going to have it handled.

1:37:16 She's going to take care of her responsibilities.

1:37:19 If you need good advice, she's there.

1:37:22 She's you know, my aunt passed away at a young

1:37:25 age at 34 and left two little kids behind.

1:37:27 My grandma helped raise them.

1:37:29 She was completely dependable.

1:37:31 It was like having a solid rock of a person in your life

1:37:34 and those were the women that we used to really revere and look up to.

1:37:39 And now it's like, oh, she's boring and she's just following the rules.

1:37:43 She's not a rebellious wild strong independent woman who does what she wants.

1:37:48 That's That's the thing we're supposed to do now.

1:37:50 It's empowering to start an OnlyFans at 18 and get your bag, you know,

1:37:56 even if you got to show everybody, you know, the insides of your body.

1:38:01 Uh you get your bag and you get

1:38:03 fame and you get attention and that's winning now.

1:38:06 That's what we hold up as winning for a woman.

1:38:09 As far as modern feminism goes and the examples of celebrities,

1:38:14 uh do you think Taylor Swift is practicing witchcraft on stage

1:38:20 and do you think Taylor Swift is doing spells in her songs?

1:38:24 Yeah, uh that's a good question.

1:38:26 Uh there's a lot of stuff like either

1:38:28 her concerts or some of the Super Bowl performances,

1:38:32 like Beyoncé had one several years back that was there was all

1:38:35 this online stuff about the satanic imagery

1:38:38 and spell crafting and things like that.

1:38:41 Maybe.

1:38:42 Um I don't know.

1:38:44 I tend to think it's more I tend to think

1:38:48 it's less that she is sitting there planning a witchcraft

1:38:51 ritual than it is that uh the people who do

1:38:55 marketing and uh concert organizations at these really high levels,

1:39:00 they really know how to harness crowd energy and how

1:39:03 to manipulate emotions and and make people like die hard rabid fans.

1:39:08 You know what I mean?

1:39:09 Whenever you've got a huge stadium filled with people,

1:39:13 um it is uh you know, everybody's sharing energy.

1:39:17 It's like this big energy exchange where

1:39:20 I emotions are heightened and things like that.

1:39:23 So, even if it's not intentional,

1:39:25 it could in effect be accomplishing something similar to that.

1:39:29 If you've ever like seen concert footage of the Beatles

1:39:33 or Michael Jackson and girls just like sobbing and crying and fainting,

1:39:36 um people get really emotional at these big concerts,

1:39:39 especially if it's somebody that they kind

1:39:41 of idolize and they've listened to all

1:39:43 their music for hundreds of hours and um I think that concert promoters know how

1:39:48 to kind of take all of that and harness it and make like a an experience

1:39:53 that leaves an imprint on people

1:39:55 and makes the messaging and the marketing stronger.

1:39:58 Um but would I say it's like out of the realm

1:40:02 of possibility for her or somebody like her to be doing that?

1:40:06 No, definitely not.

1:40:07 I mean there was a lot of manufactured music

1:40:11 coming out in the '60s and '70s like the Beatles

1:40:14 and the Monkees and stuff like that where things were

1:40:17 very like artificial and astroturfed and not organic at all.

1:40:22 Um and you know, there's a lot of insider

1:40:24 stuff that goes on in the music industry.

1:40:26 We kind of know some things that went

1:40:28 on with like Diddy and Diddy parties and stuff like that.

1:40:30 So there's definitely anytime there's a lot of power and money at stake,

1:40:34 there's going to be people in those circles doing those kinds of things.

1:40:39 Even in politics, you have people like um Marina

1:40:42 Abramović who's kind of like she's an artsy performer,

1:40:46 but she also is actually doing witchcraft.

1:40:49 And so it's to me I always say it doesn't matter if you believe it.

1:40:53 It matters if they believe it.

1:40:55 And it matters if the people watching

1:40:58 and participating are buying into it and believing it.

1:41:02 So whether believe it?

1:41:04 Um I believe that it has the effect, yes.

1:41:07 So even if if you go to a Taylor Swift concert,

1:41:09 you don't have to believe in witchcraft.

1:41:11 You don't have to be consciously participating

1:41:14 in a an occult ritual or something.

1:41:17 If you're there and you're totally bought

1:41:19 in and you're soaked up in the experience and you're

1:41:23 fully buying into whatever it is that's going

1:41:25 on, you could be unwittingly participating in something like that.

1:41:30 Um So I don't believe it actually has an effect spiritually?

1:41:34 Yeah, definitely.

1:41:36 I think I think one thing that some of the occult

1:41:39 religions do kind of have an inherent understanding of is

1:41:42 that human beings are really powerful and our emotions are really

1:41:46 powerful and to some extent we create the reality around us.

1:41:51 We have an effect, right?

1:41:52 There's like a butterfly effect.

1:41:54 You and I doing this podcast right now is

1:41:56 probably going to change the minds of people and maybe

1:41:59 how they perceive the world which changes the way

1:42:01 that they act or the decisions that they make.

1:42:03 So mass media is an extremely powerful tool for this and that's where

1:42:08 you get you know government projects like MKUltra studying the effect of if

1:42:14 we repeatedly send this messaging to someone's brain or if we enhance

1:42:18 it with psychedelics or binaural beats

1:42:21 or different things even like sexual activity,

1:42:25 can we change and manipulate the human mind?

1:42:27 Can we get people to completely change, you know,

1:42:29 what they're thinking or how they feel about something?

1:42:31 Maybe even change someone's sexual orientation or their political

1:42:35 persuasion through these different means and yeah,

1:42:39 mass media communications is huge.

1:42:40 I mean just look at the change in people since social media.

1:42:45 You know, I I had the benefit of growing

1:42:47 up for 24 years of my life without any internet.

1:42:51 I did not have at home internet or a phone that had internet until I was 24.

1:42:57 I grew up in like a rural area.

1:42:58 So it existed.

1:42:59 I just didn't have it till I was 24.

1:43:01 And then now I've spent the last 22 years of my life with internet.

1:43:06 Now I'm on it all the darn time, more than I'd like to be.

1:43:09 And the effect it has on you is undeniable.

1:43:13 And it can be used for good and it can be used for bad.

1:43:15 I mean there's some ways that I think the internet is a fantastic amazing tool.

1:43:19 You see things like the rise of orthodoxy

1:43:21 in America right now which we didn't have

1:43:24 access to or barely even know about because

1:43:26 it was kind of sectioned off into the East,

1:43:30 you know, and the Christian West was dominated by Roman

1:43:33 Catholicism and Protestantism and now because of the internet,

1:43:37 we have access to everything.

1:43:38 So, a lot of people are converting.

1:43:40 So, it's just But, then on the other hand,

1:43:42 you've got OnlyFans and you've got dating apps

1:43:44 and the damage that are done by those things.

1:43:46 It's everybody's kind of looking at it going,

1:43:48 "Oh, what do we do about this?" Right?

1:43:49 What do we do about the fact that now a girl in rural Ohio can

1:43:53 get flown out to Dubai by a rich guy and Lord knows what they're doing.

1:43:58 And what effect does that have on like her choosing a normal guy to marry?

1:44:02 Things like that.

1:44:03 So, um we're in uncharted waters as far as like the internet,

1:44:10 social media, and mass communication and the effect that it has on people.

1:44:14 But, People assume that MK Ultra was only effective because it

1:44:20 was like a one-on-one thing maybe done in a lab.

1:44:23 But, like would you guess based on like what

1:44:26 you know about propaganda that something like that is actually

1:44:28 more effective if it's distributed among lots and lots

1:44:32 of people and everyone you're interacting with has certain beliefs.

1:44:35 Absolutely.

1:44:35 That was actually the point of it.

1:44:37 So, the point of the MK Ultra experiments was not what can we

1:44:40 do to one person in a padded cell when we have total control?

1:44:44 It was isolate it and isolate the variables to figure out what's most effective,

1:44:49 how these things affect people, and then apply it en masse to the public.

1:44:54 So, you no longer need to have subliminal messaging.

1:44:59 You don't have to find one person and radicalize that one person until they,

1:45:05 you know, assassinate a president for you or something like that.

1:45:08 You could see this with the Charlie Kirk assassination.

1:45:11 Um It could be very easy for a person who is already mentally

1:45:16 and emotionally vulnerable to get radicalized

1:45:18 into something like transgenderism through gaming culture,

1:45:22 through Discord, through online discourse with people

1:45:26 that um actually know those conservatives

1:45:29 are evil and bad and they're just trying to do bad thing.

1:45:32 And you can radicalize a person to get them

1:45:35 to do crazy things like try to assassinate Donald Trump,

1:45:37 try to assassinate Charlie Kirk.

1:45:39 And there is no no longer a need to like isolate individual and target them.

1:45:45 You can kind of mass target people.

1:45:47 The majority of mass shooters for the last like

1:45:50 year have been transgender people who were convinced that they

1:45:54 need to like take out evil conservative or these evil

1:45:58 Christians or somebody like that because they're oppressing,

1:46:01 you know, transgenders.

1:46:02 You know, Donald Trump is going to, you know,

1:46:05 put all the transgender people in prison or something

1:46:07 and they believe these really radical things and, um,

1:46:11 my husband and I go on TikTok and kind of argue with some of these really

1:46:14 radicalized people about it and the things

1:46:16 they believe are are would blow your mind.

1:46:19 Like they they believe the most insane things that there's no evidence

1:46:23 for, there's no basis for and to them it's it's religious dogma.

1:46:27 You know, they think that MAGA is there

1:46:30 to create a Handmaid's Tale or something like that.

1:46:32 They think that I just had a lady last

1:46:34 night on TikTok absolutely lose her mind on me

1:46:36 and call me every horrible name in the book while

1:46:39 also accusing me of being a victim and being brainwashed.

1:46:42 So, I don't know how I can be the victim and the oppressor at the same time,

1:46:45 but I guess I'm special.

1:46:48 Um, but she just truly believes that my purpose for being

1:46:51 here is to take things away from women, to enslave them,

1:46:54 and then I'm a traitor to my sex, and that I want all women subjugated,

1:46:58 and I want them, you know, under Christian sharia law or something like that.

1:47:02 So, mass communication is extremely effective.

1:47:06 Everybody believed their Russia gate stuff.

1:47:09 Everybody believed the COVID stuff.

1:47:11 And then we find out, "Oh,

1:47:13 none of that was true." And then we just move on like it never happened.

1:47:16 It's just like people just forget about it.

1:47:18 Things get memory holed almost instantly now because of the speed

1:47:22 of the internet and uh the way that information gets disseminated so fast.

1:47:28 It's really interesting and it's kind of terrifying.

1:47:31 And now we're going to add AI to that and it's

1:47:33 like all bets are off at this point.

1:47:36 For people listening to this interview who maybe have

1:47:39 an idea that feminism is literally satanic in origins.

1:47:44 Uh you've claimed that the religion

1:47:46 these people who like it's not worshipping Lucifer,

1:47:51 uh it's not witchcraft, like it all stems from uh this idea of narcissism?

1:47:58 Yeah.

1:47:59 Can you explain what that is and why

1:48:01 narcissism is the true religion of feminists?

1:48:04 Yeah, I think that there's like Gnostic roots to all of this.

1:48:08 I think there are definitely Luciferian actual Luciferian roots too.

1:48:11 Um and they kind of they have a lot of overlap.

1:48:13 So narcissism is kind of this idea that um this physical world is bad,

1:48:20 um life is suffering, that you're trapped in this fleshy mortal prison and um

1:48:26 from that a lot of weird ideas come out of that like anti-natalism,

1:48:31 feminism, socialism.

1:48:33 The idea that like the way things are is inherently

1:48:37 bad and wrong and that we must overcome all of that.

1:48:40 And you see that thread in a lot

1:48:42 of feminist writing like Alexandra Kollontai in Russia wrote extensively

1:48:46 about how um once we conquer capitalism and we

1:48:50 have full true communism the final frontier will be biology,

1:48:54 overcoming our biology.

1:48:56 Um Margaret Fuller in America in the 1840s was writing about

1:49:00 gender as a spectrum and that nobody's fully male or female,

1:49:04 man or woman and that if we ever want to achieve, you know,

1:49:08 unity in the one which is like this transcendental kind

1:49:11 of proto New Age idea which is actually very ancient.

1:49:15 These always go back to ancient beliefs, right?

1:49:17 They always have ancient roots.

1:49:18 Is that when people hear uh universal consciousness?

1:49:21 Yes, something Yeah, like universal consciousness, Christ consciousness,

1:49:25 all of the new age stuff that we're supposed to It's like

1:49:27 a monist belief that we have to return to the one To the monad.

1:49:32 To the monad, that we're all like we're God

1:49:34 and we forgot that we're God and we have

1:49:36 to remember and go back and like that the divide

1:49:39 between the sexes is one of the things preventing peace.

1:49:42 And this is another reason why you see overlap with feminism and eco-terrorism,

1:49:48 especially in the '70s.

1:49:50 Uh and goddess worship being a big thing and the witchcraft

1:49:54 stuff being the next logical spiritual place to go from feminism.

1:49:58 In the '70s, we had lots of radical feminists.

1:50:01 Um these were the ones that built gender

1:50:03 studies in the universities talking at length about

1:50:06 how maleness is inherently destructive and violent and femaleness

1:50:12 is inherently um productive and peaceful and kind.

1:50:18 That women are like Mother Earth.

1:50:20 We give birth, we nurture, we're peaceful.

1:50:23 I don't believe any of that, by the way.

1:50:25 Um and that men are only here to like eat other animals,

1:50:29 destroy things, cause war, rape, destroy.

1:50:34 Um and that in the only way to overcome

1:50:38 that is you get rid of sex and gender altogether.

1:50:42 And everybody becomes like a non-binary blob.

1:50:45 Um you reduce men's testosterone,

1:50:48 you put women in masculine activities and and create more of a male

1:50:53 male mindedness but retaining all

1:50:56 of those Mother Earth peaceful qualities, supposedly.

1:50:59 So, the Gnostic stuff is kind of it's that underlying

1:51:03 idea and it's the same thing with the Luciferianism.

1:51:06 So, people don't know this, but a lot of the feminists in the 19th

1:51:11 century actually openly declared Lucifer as their liberator, their um their god.

1:51:18 And you don't have to ask me,

1:51:20 you can read a wonderful huge PhD thesis by a guy named Parafax Neld,

1:51:25 who is a um European scholar who himself is a Satanist.

1:51:29 I've actually talked to him a little bit on Instagram because it's kind

1:51:32 of funny that we came to the same conclusions about how things went,

1:51:36 but of course me from a Christian

1:51:38 perspective and him from an actual Luciferian perspective.

1:51:42 He would see it as good, I would see it as bad,

1:51:44 but it's interesting that we agree on how

1:51:46 it went down and and what really happened.

1:51:49 So, Lucifer was the one who wanted to liberate even the garden.

1:51:55 He was the one that wanted her to be like a god and, you know,

1:51:58 don't obey God the Father, don't obey Adam, you know,

1:52:01 go your own way and do your own thing.

1:52:03 Um and that's why they saw Lucifer as a liberator.

1:52:07 In fact, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, best friend of Susan B.

1:52:10 Anthony, one of the one of the giants of the suffrage movement

1:52:14 wrote a book called The Woman's Bible in 1895 with 14 other feminists,

1:52:20 some of whom were female pastors.

1:52:22 So, if you think that's new, I hate to break it to you, but that's also not new.

1:52:26 There were openly lesbian female pastors during

1:52:30 the Second Great Awakening in the 1800s.

1:52:34 This is how liberal the ethos was and people don't people don't know that.

1:52:38 They think that everybody must have been like really conservative.

1:52:42 But no, like the feminist stuff was extremely progressive.

1:52:45 It was very socialist.

1:52:46 It was very, very um very, very progressive for its time.

1:52:51 So, these were women who started their own churches as open lesbians

1:52:55 and called themselves pastors and they

1:52:57 rewrote the Bible from a feminist perspective.

1:53:00 In the preface, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, who most people would assume was like

1:53:05 a conservative Christian lady from the 1800s,

1:53:09 said that she doesn't believe God ever spoke to anyone,

1:53:12 she doesn't believe the Bible was divinely inspired,

1:53:14 and if she could get rid of the Bible and Christianity all together,

1:53:18 wipe it from the face of the earth, that would be the best thing.

1:53:21 But she said it's too influential.

1:53:22 It's the most widely published and most influential book on the planet.

1:53:26 It's probably not going away, so the second best thing we can do is subvert it.

1:53:31 Is subvert Christianity and and get people

1:53:33 to understand that Christianity was designed to oppress women.

1:53:38 It was written by bad men who wanted to keep their boot on the neck of women,

1:53:42 and um she also says in some of her memoirs that we're never going to get

1:53:47 women to go along with this and unless we can convince them that, you know,

1:53:51 men are actually dangerous.

1:53:53 You got to be worried about, you know, your husband.

1:53:56 How did they rewrite it?

1:53:57 They literally went book by book um through the Bible and gave their commentary.

1:54:03 That's why there was like 14 of them on the editorial board.

1:54:06 I guess the most important would be Genesis.

1:54:08 Do you remember what like what was

1:54:09 different about Genesis in the feminist Bible?

1:54:11 they kind of took everything away from um like the curse of Eve

1:54:16 and stuff like that, and and it's just their commentary on it.

1:54:20 So they'll give you the passage and then they'll say,

1:54:23 "Clearly this was written by a man to convince women to be

1:54:25 ashamed of their natural station in life and that um you know,

1:54:29 there's something defective in women that causes them to be weak."

1:54:32 Which that's not the orthodox um interpretation of Genesis at all.

1:54:36 Some of this stems from Protestant misunderstanding of Genesis,

1:54:40 at least from my view, and my book talks a bit about that.

1:54:43 Do you think Gnosticism is really the most popular religion

1:54:46 on earth and people are worshipping it without realizing it?

1:54:51 Um I think parts of Gnosticism would be, yes.

1:54:55 Um Like this idea that Yeah, does Satan believe he's the real God?

1:55:00 And Uh and that like be your own like there's like the girl boss part of it.

1:55:05 There's like just do whatever feels right.

1:55:07 There's like trust your intuition all these things

1:55:09 and it seems like people really believe in that.

1:55:12 Yes.

1:55:13 Well, I think that was that's kind of part of the liberal enlightenment ethos.

1:55:20 I think that Gnosticism goes really well with that.

1:55:23 I think it's you know, no kings, right?

1:55:27 Liberty, equality, fraternity, the kind of the ethos

1:55:33 of the revolutionary period where we're overthrowing monarchies,

1:55:37 we want democracy and equality, no why should we have all this authority?

1:55:42 Why do you get to have authority?

1:55:43 Why do you get to tell me what to do?

1:55:45 And it's a very American thing.

1:55:46 Like it was actually a struggle for me

1:55:47 in a lot of ways to write the book because

1:55:49 it made me confront a lot of those kind

1:55:53 of foundational Americanist beliefs that I was raised with.

1:55:56 Now, the founding wasn't exactly like that, but it

1:56:00 was a revolutionary founding that we had.

1:56:02 This idea that rugged individualism, you know,

1:56:06 liberty above everything else that it should be the highest value that we have.

1:56:11 And what I've come to realize is that there

1:56:14 has to be a balance with things, right?

1:56:17 Authority isn't inherently bad if it

1:56:19 comes with the proper amount of accountability.

1:56:23 Um you need a balance between responsibility and liberty.

1:56:28 You need a balance between duties and rights.

1:56:30 And feminism tends to go to the extremes

1:56:34 because once you start believing in some of it,

1:56:37 your whole worldview and the way you think

1:56:39 about everything changes and I think that's where

1:56:40 you can get into Gnosticism and I think

1:56:42 that that's where you get not just Gnosticism,

1:56:46 but if you take the liberty stuff to its end conclusion,

1:56:49 you end up with like LaVeyan Satanism which says, I am my own God.

1:56:53 There is no authority but me.

1:56:55 Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

1:56:58 You know, um do what you want as long as you're not hurting anyone else.

1:57:01 I just debated a woman who claimed to be a conservative who

1:57:04 formerly worked for TPUSA and she said that to me in the debate.

1:57:08 And I kept telling her, "You're not a conservative.

1:57:10 You're definitely a classical liberal or a libertarian." And she's like, "Yeah,

1:57:14 I think people should be able to do what they want as long as they

1:57:16 don't hurt anyone else." The only conservative

1:57:19 position she had was she was against abortion, but she was pro-gay marriage.

1:57:23 She was, you know, uh pro and we got

1:57:25 to keep prostitution legal and uh because it's free speech.

1:57:29 These sort of things.

1:57:30 So, it's like if you take some of these ideas to their extreme,

1:57:35 you end up with Luciferianism.

1:57:37 You end up with Gnosticism.

1:57:38 This idea that I'm God.

1:57:40 God's in me.

1:57:41 Why should I have a boss?

1:57:42 Who gets to tell me what to do?

1:57:44 Why should I follow orders?

1:57:46 And that the ultimate self-expression is to buck all authority except yourself.

1:57:51 But what you end up with there,

1:57:54 um almost always every time ends up destroying you.

1:57:59 If you think about a lot of these revolutionary

1:58:02 uh periods where you had these really

1:58:04 like revolutionary groups or revolutionary cults that wanted

1:58:08 to break away and completely change society.

1:58:11 I wrote about a bunch of them in my book.

1:58:13 This was part and parcel of feminism too in the 19th century.

1:58:16 There were all these breakaway utopian cults that were socialist.

1:58:19 And almost all of them experimented with like

1:58:22 gender swapping and extreme forms of feminism like having

1:58:25 the men raise the children while the women

1:58:27 tried to go grow crops and things like this.

1:58:30 Having the women cut their hair short and wear pants.

1:58:33 Um And none of them lasted more than a handful of years.

1:58:37 It just doesn't work.

1:58:38 When you try to take the natural order

1:58:40 that I would say God created and invert it, which is what Satanism is,

1:58:44 which is what Luciferianism is, which is why feminists love Luciferianism,

1:58:49 when you try to invert the the natural order,

1:58:52 you end up with no one's having babies,

1:58:54 society doesn't work anymore, men and women hate each other,

1:58:58 the economy is collapsing, we you know,

1:59:00 we're on the precipice of this massive birth rate collapse.

1:59:04 South Korea is at 0.7 children per woman.

1:59:08 The average South Korean person is not replacing themselves.

1:59:12 There's not going to be a South Korea

1:59:13 in 100 years if something doesn't drastically change.

1:59:17 And and almost every country is following suit.

1:59:20 And this is what no one wants to talk about.

1:59:22 It's deeply unpopular and I get in trouble for saying it every time.

1:59:25 But the number one correlate worldwide,

1:59:27 regardless of culture, religion, financial status,

1:59:31 to falling birth rates is women's access to higher education and career.

1:59:36 If you tell women, focus your whole life on education and career

1:59:42 and put family on the back burner if you even do it at all,

1:59:46 you don't replace yourself as a population.

1:59:48 And what happens then is first you have to resort to mass immigration.

1:59:53 You got to take people from other countries because you don't have enough labor.

1:59:56 You got labor shortages and you your supply chain starts breaking down.

2:00:01 We have problems with that still with, you know, supply chains ever since COVID.

2:00:06 They've never totally recovered because nobody has enough people,

2:00:09 nobody has enough infrastructure building.

2:00:12 Um, so you first you end up with mass immigration.

2:00:16 When you run out of other people to borrow from other countries,

2:00:21 things just start collapsing,

2:00:22 things just start decaying, things just stop working.

2:00:25 Roads aren't getting fixed,

2:00:26 bridges aren't being repaired, houses aren't being built.

2:00:29 We have a housing crisis.

2:00:30 They keep saying we need to build homes.

2:00:32 There's not enough builders.

2:00:33 Um, it's you end up with and it's going to get worse.

2:00:37 That's why you're seeing places like Japan and Canada with euthanasia

2:00:41 programs where they're offering incentives

2:00:44 for people to delete themselves because

2:00:47 you're old and we don't have enough young people to take

2:00:50 care of the old or the sick or people with mental problems.

2:00:52 So, we're going to offer you an incentive to just die.

2:00:55 Right.

2:00:56 And you're going to end up with more and more of that.

2:00:58 So, we end up in this very anti-natalist,

2:01:00 anti-human uh death cult that we're in now

2:01:06 where it's like having children is gross and bad.

2:01:09 Uh grandma's no longer of use to anyone, so let's just get rid of her.

2:01:12 Oh, you have cancer or depression?

2:01:14 You should probably just kill yourself.

2:01:16 Um when I say I think it's great for women to be mothers and have children,

2:01:21 I get bashed and trashed and shamed as trying

2:01:25 to control women or trying to force things on them.

2:01:28 It becomes very anti-human, which is Luciferian, right?

2:01:33 I want to ask, there's some theory called like uh what is it?

2:01:39 Hegelian dialectic, something like that.

2:01:42 Uh and it's like thesis, antithesis, and then synthesis.

2:01:45 So, if you imagine well, there's two of these.

2:01:50 So, there's feminism, there's you're antithetical to it.

2:01:53 I'm curious what your view is that could be the synthesis of like your message.

2:01:59 Like if everyone heard it, like what could be the synthesis?

2:02:03 Like I haven't really thought about that.

2:02:04 And then there's also like Gnosticism

2:02:07 versus orthodoxy or Gnosticism versus Christianity maybe.

2:02:11 And like where does that end up?

2:02:12 Yeah.

2:02:13 Everyone heard uh about Gnosticism, let's say,

2:02:16 because that's uh Like I'm just curious like

2:02:18 the effects of all these things from your view.

2:02:21 Like where's the middle ground?

2:02:22 Well, that's that's what this is, right?

2:02:24 Uh the reason we're here and the reason I'm talking about

2:02:27 this or writing books at all is because everything is a battle of worldviews.

2:02:31 Essentially, all that matters is what you believe.

2:02:36 Your worldview is you.

2:02:37 That's what shapes you.

2:02:38 That's how you get up every day and make decisions.

2:02:41 That's how you decide what you're going to do, where you're going to go in life,

2:02:44 where you're going to direct your energy and your talents to.

2:02:47 Worldviews are the most important thing.

2:02:50 Um, and so we've established what this feminist worldview is and what

2:02:55 it looks like and that it's the dominant thinking for people,

2:02:59 especially in the West, certainly in America.

2:03:02 Um, if you even question it, you know, you get attacked.

2:03:06 Uh, and I'm out here with this alternative

2:03:09 messaging and what I want people to hear what

2:03:12 what the alternative messaging is is that I didn't

2:03:17 have a me when I was 20 years old.

2:03:19 When I was 20 years old and I really felt pulled towards I want to be a wife.

2:03:25 I want to be like a good wife to someone and have the family that got like,

2:03:30 you know, ripped away from me as a kid.

2:03:32 I want to fix that and rebuild it in my own

2:03:34 life and not do that same mistake in my life.

2:03:38 And I want to have kids.

2:03:39 I love having kids.

2:03:40 I didn't know I was going to love being a mom until I was one.

2:03:44 You know, um, and then once I was, I was like, this is the best thing ever.

2:03:48 Like I can't imagine anything that would

2:03:49 ever be more important or cooler than this.

2:03:52 I love having this whole new person,

2:03:55 helping them shape their their life and their world,

2:03:58 you know, and having a bigger purpose than me.

2:04:01 I'm not getting up every day just to like do stuff for myself.

2:04:04 I'm getting up every day because everything I do matters.

2:04:08 I'm someone's mom.

2:04:09 I'm someone's wife.

2:04:10 I'm really important.

2:04:12 What I do each day affects all these people around me.

2:04:15 Everybody in my community,

2:04:17 everyone at my church parish is affected by what I get

2:04:19 up and do every day and the decisions that I make.

2:04:22 And it gave me purpose and it gave me meaning and it helped me get

2:04:25 through some of the most unimaginable tragedies

2:04:28 that you'd ever have to go through in life.

2:04:30 So, I think that feminism tells you the opposite of that.

2:04:34 It tells you all that matters is if you're happy and that happiness

2:04:38 is the metric that tells you if you're on the right track or not.

2:04:42 And the problem with that is that life essentially has suffering.

2:04:46 It's an entailment of being alive.

2:04:48 You're going to suffer.

2:04:48 You're going to go through hard times.

2:04:50 Bad things are going to happen.

2:04:53 And those are the things that shape you and your purpose in your life.

2:04:56 And if if you think that the only thing

2:04:58 that matters is you and your feelings and your happiness,

2:05:01 you're going to destroy yourself.

2:05:03 You're going to destroy everyone around you.

2:05:05 You're going to end up breaking up your family for petty reasons.

2:05:08 You're going to end up choosing a path that at the end of it,

2:05:13 you have no one and nothing around you and you're going

2:05:15 to be one of these women that's on Tik Tok crying and going,

2:05:18 "I'm 45 and I'm alone and all I have is my cat and my crappy job that I don't

2:05:22 even like anymore and I don't know how I

2:05:24 got here." Um and then on a societal scale, right?

2:05:29 No one's mothering.

2:05:31 No one's parenting.

2:05:32 What we have lost by pushing women into the workforce, we don't have community.

2:05:37 The loneliness epidemic is because women are all in cubicles.

2:05:41 Women are all at work.

2:05:42 Women are all at a job making money for corporations and paying taxes.

2:05:46 So, if Uncle Joe gets sick,

2:05:49 no one's there to check on him and bring him some hot soup.

2:05:52 If uh the child is sick,

2:05:55 he has to get taken care of by someone else cuz mom's at work.

2:05:58 There is no sense of community.

2:06:00 There is no um uh elder care, you know, like when people get old,

2:06:05 they go to a nursing home and you're

2:06:06 getting taken care of by Nigerian immigrants

2:06:08 who just got here yesterday and are being

2:06:09 paid $12 an hour to change your diaper.

2:06:13 Instead of, you know, your daughter or your granddaughter

2:06:16 or your children all taking turns and helping

2:06:19 and taking care of their parents the way that we always have.

2:06:23 We don't have support for moms at all.

2:06:25 So, like if you're like me and you want to have children,

2:06:28 you don't have anyone to help you.

2:06:29 You don't have a community to raise your child

2:06:31 with anymore cuz all the other women are are at work, which is why it's so hard.

2:06:35 And that's another reason women don't want to have children.

2:06:38 You used to be raising your kids with your sisters, with your cousins,

2:06:41 with your aunt and your mom and your grandma and your neighbors.

2:06:44 All the women were at home.

2:06:46 All the women were raising kids and they

2:06:48 helped each other and they did it together.

2:06:50 And you had this sense of community and the sense

2:06:52 of unity and you had these bonds and it's all gone.

2:06:55 It's just all dissolved and it's all gone and we're all suffering for it.

2:07:01 So, feminism telling women what matters is you and your happiness right now.

2:07:06 Your emotional state right now should direct your life.

2:07:08 Terrible advice.

2:07:10 And it makes women um miserable.

2:07:12 It makes them destroy themselves and their lives

2:07:15 and the people around them and they don't

2:07:16 even know how they got there cuz they're

2:07:17 just doing what they've heard they should do.

2:07:21 So, I would say if anybody's going to uh the synthesis of like,

2:07:27 you know, the these two worldviews and like what I think we should do.

2:07:30 I think it's not about going back in time.

2:07:33 Everybody goes, "Oh, well, we're not going back to the 1800s, Rachel." I know.

2:07:37 I know.

2:07:38 It's a different world.

2:07:39 We have technology.

2:07:40 Things are different.

2:07:41 It's not going to look the same,

2:07:43 but we can go back to the values and the worldviews

2:07:46 and the the type of thinking that helped us hold families together,

2:07:51 that gave us meaning, that helped us create things that lasted into the future.

2:07:56 We don't build cathedrals that take 400 years to build anymore.

2:08:01 We don't do things now with the intention that this is

2:08:04 going to not be finished until my grandchild is around.

2:08:08 We don't do Everything's in short cycles.

2:08:10 Even our government, you know, four-year cycles.

2:08:13 So, you can't plan ahead.

2:08:14 You can't do long-term thinking.

2:08:16 And that's why nothing works.

2:08:18 So, I think that what we need to do is go back to um valuing family, motherhood,

2:08:24 uh uh unity within the family,

2:08:27 men and women working together in their proper natural roles with each other.

2:08:33 Yes, [snorts] it requires some trust.

2:08:35 Men and women have to be able to trust each other.

2:08:37 We're going to have to be able to behave in a way that we can trust each other.

2:08:41 And that's hard, and it can't be all about you.

2:08:43 It's got to be it we don't want communism where there is no individual,

2:08:48 and we don't want this like

2:08:49 radical libertarianism where it's only the individual.

2:08:52 We need families and communities again.

2:08:54 We need uh long-term thinking in order for things to be cohesive,

2:08:58 in order for things to work.

2:09:00 And you can't have that with feminism.

2:09:02 It's got to go.

2:09:03 And I think that ultimately it will.

2:09:05 I think that in the future feminism will

2:09:07 be looked back on, and it might take centuries.

2:09:10 I don't know how long it'll take,

2:09:11 but someday they'll look back and go, "Wow, that feminism stuff was crazy.

2:09:15 That was a terrible experiment." And it'll get thrown

2:09:17 into the dustbin of history because it's not sustainable.

2:09:21 It The birth rates and everything um going the way it's going,

2:09:26 there's going to be hard times ahead, and I don't know if you've ever noticed,

2:09:29 but there's no such thing as a feminist in a disaster area, right?

2:09:33 If there's a hurricane, or there's flood waters,

2:09:36 or there's a war zone, nobody's a feminist.

2:09:37 Suddenly everybody reverts right back to traditional gender roles.

2:09:42 The men are the ones that come in and rescue

2:09:44 you from the flood waters or the building burning,

2:09:46 and the women are the one ones bandaging up people and and trying to you know,

2:09:51 cook food and feed people and things like that.

2:09:53 So, Do you think Gen Z women will be drafted for Iran?

2:09:58 It would be the first draft where I think they I think qualify.

2:10:01 I think one of the best things we could do

2:10:03 to fix this problem is draft women, and here's why.

2:10:08 Women in the military,

2:10:10 as soon as they get called up for active duty, there's this phenomenon.

2:10:13 The first thing they do is get pregnant.

2:10:18 And then they can't be called into battle, right?

2:10:20 So, I think if we did draft women, if we said okay feminists, fair.

2:10:24 Uh you guys want equality.

2:10:26 Um because one of the big arguments out there right now,

2:10:28 popularized by people like my husband or Brian Atlas,

2:10:31 is hey, women don't have to sign up for the draft and men do.

2:10:34 We could be called into battle at any time and you guys can't.

2:10:37 So, why should you have equal political say?

2:10:39 And I think we should say, okay, if you want to vote, sign up for the draft.

2:10:44 And I think if we just had that requirement, a whole lot of women would go don't

2:10:49 know don't know if I'm that passionate about voting.

2:10:51 Maybe I'm not.

2:10:53 It's really interesting,

2:10:54 like if you made all women have to sign up for the draft,

2:10:57 but you don't have to get drafted if you have a kid.

2:11:02 I wonder how many would have kids, genuinely.

2:11:04 So, I always say that I don't believe

2:11:06 women when they say they want true equality.

2:11:08 And the reason I don't believe that is because 90% of all infrastructure jobs,

2:11:13 which are usually difficult, dirty, and dangerous jobs, are still held by men.

2:11:17 Women have had 100 years to decide that they want to be trash collectors,

2:11:22 waste water treatment managers, lumberjacks,

2:11:26 working on, you know, oil rigs, power linemen, things like this, roofing,

2:11:33 stuff that, you know, you can die in your job.

2:11:37 Men still overwhelmingly die on the job at far higher rates than women.

2:11:41 We still do most of the same jobs that we did 100 years ago.

2:11:45 We basically just swapped farm labor for HR work,

2:11:49 but we're still mostly just secretaries,

2:11:51 nurses, early childhood educators, retail workers,

2:11:55 line cooks, waitresses, things like that.

2:11:59 So, um when women want to take on jobs that they

2:12:03 could die in, that are going to break their bodies down,

2:12:07 you know, at a fast rate, they're going to find out right away, like,

2:12:10 you know, I have people insist to me, women can be roofers, and I'm like,

2:12:13 where's all the female-owned, female-only roofing companies?

2:12:15 They tried to do that in England and I think it survived

2:12:19 a couple years and then they it went out of business, right?

2:12:22 what would society look like if we reached true equality?

2:12:26 Like can you paint a a picture of like what a woman's life would look like?

2:12:30 Oh, it would be it would be horrible.

2:12:33 Um if women had to equally really do what men have to do if they

2:12:36 had if they had the same exact standards where you couldn't get by at all,

2:12:41 you couldn't uh the fact that you're pretty or you know,

2:12:45 men might want to sleep with you or marry you or have children with you.

2:12:49 If that just was out of the equation,

2:12:51 um there's actually a woman who tried to do this.

2:12:53 She uh dressed as a man and lived like a man for like a year

2:12:56 and it was so awful she quit

2:12:58 and then ended up very tragically committing suicide,

2:13:01 but she said life is horrible for men.

2:13:03 It's so bad for men, I had no idea.

2:13:06 Um if women had to well like let's say 50% of garbage men had to be women now,

2:13:13 then I would take feminism a lot more seriously.

2:13:15 If you had to get up at 4:00 in the morning, get on the back of a garbage truck.

2:13:19 You've seen the guys where they hold on to the thing

2:13:21 and then they got to stop and pick up the trash, throw it in the back.

2:13:24 They're dealing with dirty things, sharp things, dangerous things.

2:13:27 They're using their physical strength to hold on to the back

2:13:30 of the truck all day and and hoist,

2:13:32 you know, things that are 30 to 50 lb up over their heads into a truck.

2:13:36 If they had to do farm labor, if they had to do uh things like

2:13:40 underwater welding that only men do, you know, these Work on oil rigs, perhaps.

2:13:45 Yes.

2:13:45 Work and everybody's probably seen the videos of men doing these things.

2:13:48 You know, they're getting like my husband used to have a job

2:13:51 in food factories as a robotics mechanic where he'd have to go

2:13:53 down into like really tight dangerous spaces where he had to wear

2:13:58 like a gas mask and if there was a leak or anything,

2:14:00 he could die from inhaling ammonia.

2:14:03 He saw um a guy get, you know, all of his flesh burned off his entire lower arm.

2:14:08 Uh saw a guy cut his hand off on a lathe once.

2:14:12 Um, you know, having to drive people

2:14:15 to the ER bleeding and hoping that they don't die

2:14:18 as part of your job versus women who still

2:14:22 I'm not saying there aren't some important things women do.

2:14:24 Of course we we want nurses and we like when when we have women,

2:14:28 you know, teachers and things like that.

2:14:29 Women have always done those jobs.

2:14:31 That's fine.

2:14:32 But they're not doing the really difficult, dirty,

2:14:34 dangerous work that men do and if they had true equality and had to do

2:14:38 that, I think they would all pretty much immediately go back in the kitchen.

2:14:41 It's like that meme where World War III starts

2:14:44 and suddenly the feminists are all washing dishes in the kitchen.

2:14:47 Um, because yeah, that's what we see.

2:14:49 Like uh, when when female soldiers get, you know,

2:14:53 called to action, they end up pregnant immediately.

2:14:55 Um, and we just don't see women clamoring for equality in those jobs.

2:15:01 And really what they want is, you know, power, opportunity, and self-enrichment.

2:15:06 Fine, that's fair.

2:15:07 But again, we men don't have power without

2:15:11 all this responsibility and that's what women always miss.

2:15:14 They don't realize that yes,

2:15:16 maybe men have some advantage, maybe they have some power,

2:15:19 maybe they're bigger and stronger so they're

2:15:20 always going to have the monopoly on force.

2:15:23 But the responsibility and the difficulty that goes along with those things,

2:15:29 you probably don't actually want that and a lot of women will say they

2:15:32 do until they have to experience it and then they're like, okay, never mind.

2:15:36 So I think it'd be great if if we um, if we said, okay, if you want to be equal,

2:15:41 then you got to sign up for the draft and we're

2:15:44 going to start recruiting women straight out of high school,

2:15:47 um, for front lines combat in the military.

2:15:50 We're going to recruit them for uh, the dirty, dangerous, and difficult jobs.

2:15:54 We want 50% representation for women in all of the top

2:15:58 20 jobs where men are dying on the job.

2:16:01 We want that to be 50% women.

2:16:03 Hope hope you make it, you know, good luck to you.

2:16:05 If there was something like that, like a lottery where like

2:16:08 say it you're a senior in high school and there's all

2:16:11 these college things you can do and there's all these jobs

2:16:14 you can do and we just do it as a lottery.

2:16:17 You just draw a random number and that's the job

2:16:19 that you get and women had equal representation in men's jobs,

2:16:24 feminism would end tomorrow.

2:16:26 It would be over tomorrow.

2:16:27 They would say that in fact they would demand

2:16:31 that we end feminism because they say this is not safe.

2:16:34 This is This is horrible.

2:16:36 Look what you're doing.

2:16:36 Women can't do this.

2:16:37 And that's All of the anti-suffragist women made these arguments in the 1800s.

2:16:43 They said, "Look, the the purpose

2:16:46 of government is to protect property and people.

2:16:50 We're women, we can't do that.

2:16:52 We can't protect national borders.

2:16:54 We can't defend people.

2:16:56 If someone's being violently, you know, assaulted,

2:16:59 you don't call a woman to come save you, call a policeman, right?

2:17:03 If If your house is on fire, you call the fireman, you know?

2:17:06 And we used to have uh things like you

2:17:09 had to do compulsory fire brigade service to vote.

2:17:12 There used to be all these restrictions on voting even for men where if

2:17:16 if men weren't paying a poll tax or if they couldn't pass a civics

2:17:19 test or a religious test in some places or if they weren't a certain

2:17:23 age or didn't own property or didn't do some kind of civil service,

2:17:26 they couldn't vote either.

2:17:28 And I think um it'd be good if we went back

2:17:30 to something more merit-based rather than

2:17:32 this idea that everyone deserves You know, this word deserve drives me nuts.

2:17:36 Everybody deserves just because they exist.

2:17:39 And women deserve and women will tell you all day you ask a woman,

2:17:42 "What do you think women deserve?" And they'll tell you,

2:17:44 "I think they deserve freedom and equality and they should have this and they

2:17:47 should have that and they should be able to do whatever they want." You say,

2:17:49 "Okay." And I've asked this question,

2:17:51 "What duties do women have?" And they go "What do you

2:17:55 mean?" They don't even know what what They've never thought of that.

2:18:00 They don't even understand the question, right?

2:18:02 Does a woman have a duty to anyone or anything outside herself?

2:18:07 And they'll just sit there and look at you gobsmacked like well, I don't know.

2:18:13 And I haven't gotten a good answer yet.

2:18:15 Um so, I think that sure, you have rights, but you have duties.

2:18:22 And if you have rights with no duties, then that's just entitlement.

2:18:26 Rachel, your daughters are growing up in a world where the most

2:18:32 popular career choices for young women are things like social media,

2:18:37 OnlyFans creator, uh and teenage girls are

2:18:41 being recruited into witchcraft on WitchTok, TikTok.

2:18:45 Yeah.

2:18:46 As a mother of four daughters,

2:18:47 what is the hardest part of raising girls in 2026?

2:18:51 Uh the internet.