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0:18 Andrea is an athletic trainer.

0:21 She wrote in to us with a technique for stopping a nosebleed,

0:26 something we'd never heard of.

0:28 Andrea, what's going on here?

0:29 So, there's this trend in athletic training

0:31 called the heel thump for stopping nosebleeds.

0:35 And basically, you figure out which nostril

0:37 the patient is bleeding from, and then either have them lay down and like whack

0:41 the bottom of the opposite heel with your hand,

0:43 or you have them stand up and you have

0:45 them stomp on that opposite heel on the ground.

0:48 I don't know how it works.

0:50 Some athletic trainers really swear by it,

0:52 and I've actually tried it once or twice.

0:53 It works about 50-60% of the time for me.

0:56 Some people, like I said, swear by it.

0:58 But, nobody really knows like how it works.

1:01 You said it's called the heel thump.

1:02 Yeah.

1:03 So, if I'm bleeding from my right nostril,

1:07 you would either whack me in my left heel,

1:11 or I would stomp my left heel on the ground.

1:14 Yeah.

1:15 And typically, when you have a nosebleed, it does come out of one nostril.

1:18 I think if you have a double nosebleed, you're in real trouble there.

1:20 You might as well just start jumping up and down.

1:22 Yeah, would that work actually?

1:24 Could you just jump up and down?

1:26 I'm not really sure.

1:27 I've only really seen it work out of one.

1:29 Okay.

1:30 It feels like if somebody's bleeding from both

1:31 nostrils and they start jumping up and down,

1:34 it feels like just the blood splatter [laughter]

1:37 would be something you'd want to avoid.

1:40 Oh, that gets pretty gruesome, yeah.

1:41 Andrea, what happened the last time you had a kid with a nosebleed and you said,

1:47 "All right, lay down.

1:48 I'm going to start banging on your foot." Uh,

1:51 they do look at me pretty curiously.

1:53 They they look at me like I've got two heads,

1:55 but most of the time I've developed a really good relationship with my athletes,

1:59 so they trust me when I tell them to do something, they'll usually do it.

2:02 So, what is that dialogue like?

2:05 Most often, when I work with high school athletes,

2:08 I work with high school wrestlers.

2:09 Unfortunately, nosebleeds are very common in in high school wrestling.

2:14 Yeah.

2:13 Sure.

2:14 You know, cuz you get your face shoved in the mat,

2:15 and you you're, you know, face-to-face with an opponent.

2:18 And in a lot of high school wrestling,

2:20 you only have about 2 minutes to solve whatever injury you have

2:24 on the mat before the athlete has to go back or they're disqualified.

2:27 Uh-huh.

2:28 So, time is of the essence, and really in that situation,

2:32 they don't really question what I tell them to do.

2:34 So, I I say, "Hey, lay down real quick, and then take a hand and make a fist,

2:39 and then I whack them on the bottom

2:40 of their their wrestling shoe a couple times, and I have them sit up.

2:43 I say, "Okay, you're good to go." Mhm.

2:45 And they look at me funny, but they go back and they finish their match.

2:48 If you if you thump the wrong heel, does the blood flow increase?

2:56 [laughter] That's another good question.

2:58 Uh, I don't think there's a way to screw it up.

3:00 Okay.

3:02 [laughter] Oh, shoot.

3:03 I hit the wrong foot, but my tooth just fell out.

3:08 I was very curious.

3:09 We looked into this.

3:10 There there's actually been it's classified as a folk remedy.

3:14 There's no, you know, peer-reviewed research into why it might work.

3:18 And if you try this, if you have a bloody nose, or if you know someone who does,

3:22 and you want to give this a shot, let us know what happens.

3:26 Don't go out and induce a nosebleed just to try it.

3:28 We don't [music] want We don't want that.

3:30 We can't be We're not going to be held responsible for that.

3:35 [music] This is How to Do Everything.

3:36 I'm Mike.

3:37 And I'm Ian.

3:38 On today's show, how to say goodbye to a burrito.

3:42 But first, Hey, Isaac.

3:45 What can we help you with?

3:46 Uh, all right.

3:47 So, I'm missing a hand.

3:49 Um, and it makes handshakes very awkward.

3:55 Um, and Sure.

3:57 whenever I meet someone, the first thing I'm supposed to do is extend my hand,

4:02 and if I don't say anything, they grab it and get startled,

4:06 and then try to pretend like they weren't startled,

4:08 and it's an awkward start to a relationship.

4:11 And if I say something like, "Missing a hand," it's a weird thing to say

4:16 as the first thing I ever say when I meet someone.

4:19 Yeah.

4:19 So, when you say they grab it, they grab your left hand, your other hand?

4:23 I I'm missing my right hand.

4:25 I can put my right hand out.

4:27 It's like it's like just a small deformed hand.

4:30 Okay.

4:30 grab it, and it feels weird to them, and they didn't expect it.

4:33 Got it.

4:34 also stick my left hand out, which I did for a while,

4:36 but that ends up being like a kiss the back

4:38 of my hand sort of help me into a carriage kind of situation.

4:42 Oh.

4:42 Uh-huh.

4:43 Yeah.

4:44 You don't want to start off with on a dainty foot, either.

4:46 Yeah, exactly.

4:47 [laughter] Okay.

4:48 Could Is there Is there a time,

4:50 like a specific instance that you

4:52 remember when it was particularly uncomfortable?

4:58 It's been happening my whole life,

5:00 but like I've had a few job interviews where I walked

5:04 in looking for the manager at the pizza place as a teenager,

5:08 and met the guy and tried to shake his hand, and it was weird,

5:11 and it was like the only chance I got to ask for a job.

5:16 Oh, yeah.

5:17 Yeah, so it's it's a lot of things like that.

5:18 It's a lot of professional relationships that just start off on a weird foot,

5:22 and I'm not really sure what to do about that.

5:24 Yeah.

5:25 Um, are you Are you ever in a situation where you fist bump with the left hand?

5:30 Is that any better?

5:32 That's the best option I found.

5:34 Okay.

5:35 Unfortunately, that doesn't always work in in formal business situations.

5:40 Yeah.

5:41 Yeah.

5:41 This might be, Isaac, the time to bring back a kiss on both cheeks.

5:45 Yeah, it could be, or maybe a hip bump.

5:48 Oh, that's fun.

5:49 Yeah.

5:50 So, I guess the question is,

5:51 are we looking for just like a good way to kind of break the ice on this?

5:55 Yeah, sure.

5:56 Like a good strategy.

5:58 Um, I've tried a lot of different things.

6:01 I'll decide I'm going to try a new thing.

6:03 Like like right now, I say, "Missing a hand," before someone shakes my hand.

6:08 It doesn't really work.

6:08 I've been using that for like a year.

6:11 Um, if you've got a new idea I can try, that'd be awesome.

6:16 Well, I want to say that you've come to the right place,

6:18 but I can't promise that.

6:20 But, we're here, and we're going to We're going to look into this for you.

6:24 Okay, I appreciate that.

6:25 Yeah, I figured you'd have some interesting thing to say about it, if

6:30 [laughter]

6:32 We think we have the perfect person [music] to talk to about this.

6:34 It's Mike Conley of the Minnesota Timberwolves.

6:38 And as we speak, they are up 3-2 over the Denver Nuggets in the NBA playoffs.

6:43 Conley is, I think it's fair to say, the greatest handshaker of our era.

6:49 YES!

6:50 CORNER POCKET FOR MIKE CONLEY.

6:53 What you're hearing here is Mike Conley hitting a three,

6:58 then walking along the bench and giving a different

7:02 elaborate handshake to every single one of his teammates.

7:06 Mike, how many handshakes do you have?

7:11 [laughter] Um, I should have one with all of them.

7:13 If not, it's because they're probably newer to the team,

7:18 or I'm still trying to develop.

7:19 But, I I got I got like at least 45-50

7:23 amongst the whole organization right now, so that's a lot.

7:26 Whoa.

7:27 Wait a minute.

7:28 Just with the Timberwolves, you have 40 handshakes?

7:31 It's up there.

7:32 It's up there, for sure.

7:33 Wow.

7:34 How do you remember them all?

7:36 Honestly, it's it's gotten to a point where

7:38 I like it's like a facial recognition thing.

7:41 Like as soon as you see the person, it just comes out.

7:45 Like you just you go to reach for their arm and hand or whatever,

7:48 and just start doing the handshake,

7:49 and you just start doing the handshake, and it's like,

7:51 "Oh, yeah." You know, it's just like second nature.

7:53 You don't even think twice about it.

7:55 What's the most recent handshake you have?

7:58 Uh, most recent one, probably Io's probably the most recent one.

8:02 He's I I came in a little a couple weeks after he was traded here.

8:07 Th- This is probably impossible to do in in audio,

8:11 but can you describe one of your one of your favorite handshakes?

8:15 Just everything that goes on from start to finish.

8:19 Yeah, so since we're talking about Io, his is fresh in my mind,

8:23 so it's each one has a life of its own,

8:26 and it's kind of dictated upon like your relationship with that person.

8:31 So, if there's something that y'all have in common, or if you like to golf,

8:35 or whatever you your hobby is, whatever it is,

8:38 you try to like find something that fits the both of us.

8:41 And then, Io, we play cards on the plane.

8:44 That was like one of the first interactions I

8:47 had with him was being on the plane playing cards,

8:49 and so our handshakes literally is like, you know, you go to slap hands,

8:54 and you you go one past by, you hit backside of your hand,

8:58 and you do two times on the front side of your hands,

9:00 and then and then we act like we're dealing dealing cards.

9:04 So, we'll do like we'll deal like three cards,

9:07 or like deal five cards, whatever it is that we need for that day.

9:10 So, it's kind of like a fluid handshake, but each day could be, you know,

9:15 we'll ask them I'll ask them as soon as I'm getting like middle of handshake,

9:17 I'll be you know, dapping them up,

9:19 and then after we do like two or three passes with our hands,

9:22 we'll we'll start dealing out cards.

9:24 I'm like, "How many you need?" And they'll be like,

9:25 "One, two, or three, or five." Whatever it is.

9:28 And we'll just kind of go go from there.

9:30 But, everybody's got their own own special deal,

9:32 and it's some something along the lines of, you know,

9:34 something that's familiar with each other.

9:36 Wow.

9:37 And like when you are So, you and Io are getting to know each other,

9:41 at what point in the relationship,

9:43 or how does it happen that you guys work that out?

9:46 That you get to a point.

9:47 Does everybody know you got to get a handshake with Mike Conley?

9:51 Right.

9:53 [clears throat] Um, it it's got to be organic.

9:55 We don't sit there and like stare at each other like,

9:56 "All right, we got to figure this out.

9:58 You know what I mean?

9:58 It's not one of those things.

9:59 It's It's one of those moments, you know,

10:01 when it normally happens is like it normally happens like either during

10:05 a practice day or like a uh right before the game when,

10:09 you know, I am giving handshakes out

10:10 to everybody and you're going down the line.

10:12 As you get down the bench,

10:13 you start dapping up everybody and you get to Io and I look at him and I'm like,

10:16 "Man, we ain't got a handshake yet." And so then you know,

10:19 and that's when I'm like, "All right, here I got it.

10:21 I got it.

10:21 I got it.

10:21 I got it." And then we'll just like boom boom

10:23 boom boom and then and then he'll he'll he'll think it's,

10:26 you know, it's all right.

10:27 I'll think it's all right and then kind of go go from there.

10:29 So, it kind of happens spur of the moment,

10:30 but um there's a little bit of thought that goes into it, though.

10:34 Yeah.

10:35 So, Mike, you heard Isaac's question.

10:38 Do you What advice might you have for him?

10:41 Man, um I can say like from experience with like guys

10:47 who like this certain guy like you might injure a hand, right?

10:51 Like injure break a finger or Yeah.

10:54 wrist or something like that.

10:56 So, you you know, you're unable to use one side.

10:59 And so you still try to do handshakes and it's like uh you know,

11:02 people will still go grab your hand real hard and it's like,

11:05 "Bro, my finger's broken." Or whatever, you know,

11:07 just kind of like a lot of stuff like that can can occur.

11:10 And most times when when like we're in that situation like we

11:13 do try to go like lead lead the dance with that other hand,

11:17 whatever hand that's not injured or whatever

11:19 or um not having an issue like we'll

11:22 like if you're meeting somebody you like immediately

11:25 jump out of it and be like, "Yo,

11:26 what's up, bro?" Like bring that hand out immediately like to where

11:30 they have no choice but to bring their left hand out

11:32 or um like you have to know how close you are

11:35 with them or if it's closer people like doing stuff with, you know,

11:39 chest bumps and elbows and like all kinds of stuff.

11:43 And we got some guys who get sick a lot on our team, too.

11:45 So, we we will bypass the hands and go

11:47 straight to elbow like taps and stuff like that that'll

11:51 make it really easy to bypass having to shake

11:53 hands and but it's still like greet each other.

11:56 Um so yeah, you know,

11:57 I I probably look into something like that if you know Yeah,

12:01 I think that's right.

12:01 I think the elbow coming into play seems really really smart.

12:05 Uh Isaac was saying that it's it's particularly

12:08 hard like in a business setting, a job interview.

12:11 As somebody who designs a lot of handshakes,

12:13 what's the most business-like thing you could do with an elbow, do you think?

12:16 What would you do if given that assignment?

12:19 Wow, um I mean, literally like, you know,

12:23 if if the the the fist bump with the elbow, you you know,

12:27 cuz I I meet people a lot in um different settings and sometimes

12:32 you're meeting so many people and you might be in a situation like I,

12:34 you know, uh my hands are sweaty or I just got in, you know, from doing this.

12:39 I just want to, you know, you throw out the the fist bump really quick.

12:42 It's very nice to meet you, you know, make an eye contact and all that stuff.

12:45 And it could be very sim- similar to that with an elbow.

12:49 And like I think Isaac said is, you know,

12:51 trying to announce whatever that is at the you know,

12:55 at the start of your conversation, you know, is always I think a good idea.

12:59 And whether you have success or not,

13:01 I still think it's probably the right route.

13:03 Let me ask this is a dumb question, Mike, so bear with me.

13:06 Have you ever hurt your hand and has

13:08 it impacted the game because of a handshake?

13:12 No, but the the one person who can kind of, you know,

13:18 hit a knuckle the wrong way is Rudy Rudy Gobert has

13:21 a he wears like if he's not playing in the game Yeah.

13:24 he wear like these these big old like rings that have like,

13:28 you know, his hands are big anyway, but Yeah.

13:31 these these huge rings with like jewels and stuff on.

13:34 I don't know what they like rocks or something and and then when he hits

13:37 like the back of my hand sometimes like I'll catch a ring on my like knuckle.

13:41 I'm like, "Oh my god, I can't I can't play." [laughter]

13:44 You know, like it's like that painful, but other than that everybody else's

13:48 handshakes are pretty pretty uh non-violent.

13:52 Well, Mike, thank you so much for talking

13:53 to us about this and helping out Isaac.

13:56 Yeah, anytime, man.

13:57 I hope that uh hope it helps and glad that I was able to be on.

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16:01 Hey, Rachel, what can we help you with?

16:03 Um well, I uh I'm mourning a burrito that uh I had for about 10 years

16:10 and then went away when the uh restaurant

16:13 changed ownership and and their menu changed as well.

16:17 You said you're mourning the burrito.

16:19 I am, yeah.

16:20 It's um it's something I something I think about a lot.

16:24 Uh and that'll probably never have again.

16:27 I mean, it's yeah, like I feel like

16:29 it it was it was an Indian-Mexican fusion burrito.

16:33 And so I think it's something that's sort of hard to recreate on my own

16:37 because I would have to develop like a mastery of cooking Indian food,

16:41 which seems unlikely.

16:43 Yeah.

16:44 Have you try Have you tried to uh either recreate it or, you know,

16:48 go to different restaurants and see if they can,

16:50 you know, try and match your expectations?

16:53 Um I tried to go back to So,

16:55 the place the way I discovered that it was dead is I

16:58 I went to the place where I had been going for many years.

17:02 Um only to discover that it had it had changed hands, that the menu had changed,

17:07 and I tried to order what I had previously ordered,

17:10 which was no longer listed on the menu.

17:12 Uh-huh.

17:12 It was yeah, it's paneer tikka masala breakfast burrito.

17:15 So, it was like paneer tikka masala, eggs, hash browns.

17:19 Wow.

17:20 Um all inside like a really massive tortilla.

17:23 It was like a 3-lb burrito.

17:25 Damn.

17:26 Um and the other tough thing, too,

17:28 was they had really amazing mint chutney that was like uh you know,

17:32 like the color of the coolant that you put in your car, basically.

17:35 Nice.

17:36 Um that is no longer in existence, either.

17:39 And so that's that's another problem area.

17:42 Wow.

17:45 Yeah.

17:44 Uh that sounds hard.

17:46 So, when was the last time you had it?

17:47 [laughter] The last time I had it probably like I guess it

17:52 would have been about two like a year and a half ago.

17:56 Okay.

17:56 And I I guess you didn't And I guess you

17:58 didn't know that was the last time you were having it.

18:00 No, I didn't.

18:02 Yeah, that's how it is.

18:03 You don't you know, you never know what might

18:06 be your last moment with a person or a burrito.

18:09 So, hmm, I guess the question for us is like so what how can we help you?

18:13 Do you want us to help you process this loss or find a new burrito?

18:20 I mean, I feel like this is a common phenomenon.

18:22 You know, people have this problem all the time

18:24 where like a dish that they love, you know,

18:27 disappears because a restaurant closes or like a product in stores,

18:31 like a food product, you know, is discontinued.

18:34 And there's no like I feel like there should be

18:36 a grieving ritual for processing that kind of a loss.

18:41 All right, um Rachel, we're going to see what we can do.

18:44 Cool.

18:45 Oh, yeah, thank you guys.

18:46 We got off the phone with Rachel and we thought it would be fun to have

18:51 a priest deliver a eulogy for her burrito

18:55 to help give her the closure she needs.

18:58 So, we called up Father James Martin.

19:00 He's author of the new book Work in Progress, Confessions of a Busboy,

19:04 Dishwasher, Caddy, Usher, Factory Worker,

19:07 Bank Teller, Corporate Tool, and Priest.

19:10 So, like I said, we had the idea that he would give a eulogy for this burrito.

19:15 We talked to him and the conversation actually got more serious,

19:19 more sincere than maybe our usual how to do everything interview.

19:24 Uh but we want you to hear it because what

19:26 we have here is actually helpful for people who are mourning,

19:30 no matter what it is, burritos or not.

19:32 Uh probably not a burrito.

19:34 Okay, so here we go.

19:35 Father Jim, uh what do you what do you

19:37 have for Rachel who says she's mourning a burrito?

19:42 And she's serious, right?

19:44 Yes.

19:46 She in as much as anyone is, I think.

19:49 She She us that she would have this lunch,

19:51 I think and correct me if I'm wrong, for like 10 years.

19:54 This is what she would eat.

19:56 And then something happened with the restaurant, it changed hands.

19:58 She's gone back uh and they are not able to recreate it.

20:03 Yeah, well, it sounds like she's also

20:07 grieving or mourning those 10 years, too, right?

20:10 So it probably represents something that's larger for her.

20:13 Yeah, so maybe it's a question of just letting go

20:17 of that part of your life or that period in your life,

20:19 you know, more than letting go of the burrito.

20:21 Yes.

20:22 Wow.

20:22 Yeah.

20:23 She, you know, so she had it for the last time a year and a half ago.

20:26 She didn't know this was the last time she was going to have this burrito.

20:32 So she didn't really have a chance to say goodbye.

20:35 Which I think is, you know,

20:36 that echoes with some of my experience of grief when, you know,

20:41 you often don't know that you're spending your last moments

20:45 with a person or with, in her case, a burrito.

20:48 Yeah, I don't want to trivialize what she's talking about because it,

20:52 you know, like Proust's madeleine, right?

20:54 It can kind of stir up memories.

20:57 And as I said, it does sound like she might be grieving the last 10 years.

21:01 You know, I lost my mom a couple weeks ago and I

21:03 was actually with her on the last day of her life, so I was able to say goodbye.

21:07 But for people, like letting go of people,

21:09 I think, you know, as a Christian I believe,

21:11 you know, they're in heaven and we can say goodbye to them in our prayer.

21:14 One of the things that we can do to sort of help us say

21:18 goodbye to something was something that was

21:20 recommended to me by a Trappist spiritual director.

21:24 My mom had moved out of her house and he said as a meditation,

21:29 "Why don't you imagine yourself going through the rooms with God?

21:33 Or if you're not a believer,

21:34 just kind of going through those rooms and it remembering all

21:37 the things that happened in those rooms and letting it go." Hm.

21:41 Which was really quite powerful, you know, in your house,

21:43 your your bedroom, the living room, kitchen, all that.

21:47 And what happened to me in this meditation, which I found very powerful,

21:50 was as I imagined myself leaving the house with Jesus in my prayer,

21:57 my expected in my meditation I would shut the door, right?

22:00 And that would be it.

22:01 But the door was open and I realized that I could go back anytime I wanted to.

22:06 Right?

22:06 I could go back to that imaginative recreation of my house

22:10 and sort of live there and dwell there and remember things there.

22:14 And maybe for your caller, you know,

22:16 it's an invitation to go back and look at what happened in the last

22:20 10 years and kind of grieve that and say goodbye to it.

22:24 Wow.

22:25 That's really beautiful.

22:26 That is.

22:27 Yeah, it was very helpful for me.

22:30 Because I think the door to our memory is always open and, you know,

22:33 with something even as simple as a burrito.

22:36 And And again, it's like Proust's madeleine

22:38 or something that can sort of trigger memories.

22:41 You You can always go back in your memory

22:43 and thank God for that time or if you're not religious,

22:46 just be grateful, you know, for the time that has been given to you.

22:51 I'm I'm just I I I feel like I just

22:54 want to acknowledge my the feelings that I'm having right now,

22:56 which is that is so beautiful.

22:58 I also I feel uh I feel guilty that we have brought

23:02 you this question about grieving a burrito when you are have experienced

23:05 this very real loss in your life and uh um I'm very sorry

23:10 for your loss and it feels funny that we brought up this burrito.

23:14 No, that's okay.

23:15 You know, I would say everybody I

23:17 That's why I asked specifically at the beginning

23:19 if she was serious cuz I want to make sure she was serious.

23:21 Um everyone has different things that they grieve and, you know,

23:24 not everyone has lost their mother in the last couple of months, but, you know,

23:28 the loss of a job, the loss of relationship, the loss of a familiar way of life,

23:32 which it sounds like this burrito represents.

23:34 And um I You know, I always say

23:36 to people everyone's suffering is meaningful to them.

23:41 Right.

23:41 Right.

23:41 So we have to take it seriously.

23:43 Everybody's sort of experiences are meaningful to themselves,

23:46 so we have to take that seriously.

23:48 This is a surprisingly profound uh response to miss a loss of a burrito,

23:54 but I think it I think hopefully it will help Rachel.

23:57 I hope so and I hope she's you know, it's also,

24:00 you know, there's lots of new burritos that you can try, right?

24:03 It's also It's also about moving ahead, too.

24:06 It's funny cuz it almost sounds like we're speaking euphemistically,

24:11 but we we're are talking literally about a burrito.

24:15 I'm speaking a little bit more euphemistically.

24:19 [laughter] Maybe metaphorically.

24:19 Look, I mean, there's kind of gradations

24:21 of grieving and saying goodbye and sadness.

24:24 Yeah, you know, in the middle there's lots of stuff

24:25 going on for people and everybody has to say goodbye.

24:28 You know, I think that's part of growing, saying goodbye to something.

24:31 Yeah.

24:32 Yeah.

24:32 Which means saying hello to something else.

24:34 If you were to um if you were tasked with eulogizing a burrito for someone,

24:40 um where might you begin?

24:42 This burrito even, this paneer tikka masala breakfast burrito.

24:46 Eulogizing it meaning kind of composing something that

24:50 guess a homily, is that the right word of Yeah, well,

24:53 I I wouldn't Just to be blunt, I would not do a homily about a burrito.

24:57 [laughter] But I might say, Okay, yeah.

24:58 You know, you might say something to Rachel that maybe it would be good to write

25:04 down the pleasant memories that were associated

25:08 with that cuz it can't be just the burrito.

25:09 I'm sure it's people she knew in the store

25:11 and stuff that was going on in her life at the time and maybe people she ate

25:15 the burrito with or just to recall those things.

25:19 There's a Jesuit prayer called the examination

25:21 of conscience where you recall things you and St.

25:25 Ignatius, the founder of the Jesuits, said you savor them.

25:27 You actually savor them like you're savoring a meal.

25:29 And then you thank God.

25:31 So So part of it's just kind of calling that to mind.

25:34 And maybe listing the things that you're

25:36 grateful for in conjunction with that experience.

25:39 Well, this is great.

25:41 [music] Uh Father James Martin,

25:42 thank you so much for entertaining this [music] this question for us.

25:47 My pleasure.

25:47 Thanks for inviting me on.

25:53 [music] Well, that does it for today's show.

25:54 What we learned today, Mike?

25:56 Well, I learned that uh high-fiving or coming

25:59 up with a cool handshake can actually hurt people.

26:03 It can be dangerous uh if a player is wearing like fancy big rings.

26:08 Yeah, be careful what you have on your hand when you're high-fiving someone.

26:12 Actually, I do think if you ever,

26:15 like if you're somebody uh who's never won a championship,

26:18 you never have that championship [music] ring,

26:21 in some ways it makes it easier for you

26:23 to be someone you can do a high-five with.

26:25 Yeah.

26:26 So [music] to the NBA team who in a few weeks loses

26:30 the chance to fulfill your lifelong dream and you go home with nothing, Yeah.

26:34 keep in mind you're going to give better handshakes.

26:36 Better handshakes, better high-fives.

26:38 gentler handshakes.

26:39 No one's going to want them because you lost.

26:41 Yeah.

26:42 But uh on the in the rare [music]

26:43 opportunity somebody puts their hand up for you,

26:46 you can rest easy knowing you're not going to hurt them.

26:49 If you ever run into Charles Barkley, have no fear.

26:52 You can give him the hardest high-five

26:54 ever cuz he never won [music] a championship.

26:56 Reggie Miller, you're welcome here.

26:59 Let's shake hands.

27:00 When Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller hear this episode,

27:03 they're going to be really sad.

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