JRE MMA Show #177 - Protect Ya Neck

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0:20 WE were just talking and I told to get [laughter] off.

0:23 I told Ro, save this for the air cuz Ro years ago.

0:27 __] this had to be like at least 10 years ago.

0:29 20 years ago,

0:30 that was like 2006, 2007.

0:33 Crazy.

0:33 So 20 years ago, Ro calls me up and he says, "Tommy Lee wants to meet you.

0:37 He wants to talk to you about something." I go,

0:38 "Okay, sure." So we go to see his concert.

0:40 That was when he was at Rock and Roll Supernov.

0:43 That's right.

0:44 So you had a TV show in Long Beach, right?

0:46 Right.

0:46 It was You and Eddie came.

0:48 Me and Eddie Bravo came.

0:49 And then uh afterwards, first of all, Tommy Lee has the dopest green room.

0:54 Like he sets his green room up like a[ __] after hours party.

0:57 He's got like tapestries on the wall and candles and lights.

1:01 Yeah.

1:01 You walk in like damn.

1:03 Like he doesn't.

1:04 Yeah.

1:05 He doesn't just walk into a cold green room like I'm lazy.

1:08 If I go on the road, I just what what's your green room?

1:11 I'll go hang out in there.

1:12 It's like it doesn't just walk.

1:13 But he has it set up like everywhere is like calm and relaxing and spiritual.

1:18 And uh so I meet Tommy and Tommy wants a fight kid rock in the UFC.

1:22 [laughter]

1:24 THIS IS THIS is true.

1:26 What makes people think they can do this?

1:28 It's for Pam Anderson's heart.

1:30 Yeah.

1:30 This is how this is kind of how it started.

1:33 That was that way with Pam.

1:36 Yeah.

1:35 Like you know they both were married to her.

1:37 So [clears throat]

1:40 Tommy and her always going to be connected because of the kids.

1:43 So, she had split up with Kid Rock

1:46 and Kid Rock was emailing her, texting her, I guess,

1:48 you know, still trying to get with her.

1:50 Tommy is with her, not together, but you know, they were together that day.

1:55 And he she asked him, you know, you're friends with him.

1:59 Can you call him and tell him to stop calling me and[ __] And Tommy's like,

2:03 I don't want to get in the middle of that[ __] boy.

2:06 And she's like, you know, if you know, please.

2:08 So he winds up hitting, you know, him up and like, "Look, dude, you know,

2:12 I don't really want to make this call, blah,

2:13 blah, blah." Of course, Kid Rock took the heat.

2:16 __] you.

2:17 You know, blah blah.

2:17 So they're[ __] each other back and forth.

2:20 Goes away.

2:22 [clears throat] Now, there was some MTV Awards thing,

2:27 okay?

2:27 And uh actually, let me back up first.

2:29 We were in Vegas for a New Year's thing and there was this rumor that Kid

2:33 Rock was supposed to come with his bodyguard

2:36 and like and come to Tommy's room and attack.

2:40 So me, my man Kimmo, who you know as well, um you know,

2:44 we're sleeping in Tommy's room hoping they show up

2:46 and uh of course they go to a different room.

2:50 They do go to a room, kick a door in.

2:52 I think totally they actually went looking for him for real.

2:56 I don't think they went looking for him.

2:57 I think it was a big publicity[ __] they

3:00 sign some autographs and and they keep it moving.

3:03 So I'm saying to Tommy, I go, "Yo, dude." I go,

3:07 "Fuck him." I go, "You should fight him on pay-per-view.

3:10 Imagine all the money [laughter] that we make." I go,

3:12 "I'll fight his[ __] security guy.

3:14 Like, we'll[ __] make a whole thing of it." He goes, "Man, that's brilliant."

3:18 Oh my god.

3:18 So I go, "Uh, I go, you know,

3:20 I'm telling you." I said, "You should do." I said, "Look,

3:23 either you fight him and you beat him up or he

3:27 punks out and you win either way." And he's like,

3:30 he's like, "Yeah, yeah, I like this." So, he talks to his management.

3:33 Of course, it just goes by the wayside.

3:36 Well, they're having some MTV awards[ __]

3:39 Security's not allowed on the floor there.

3:41 They had their own like c, you know, it was in a casino.

3:44 They have security for it.

3:46 While he's sitting in there with Pam,

3:49 Kid Rock like comes up kind of behind him and pokes him and Tommy

3:52 sees him and he goes to stand up and Kid Rock suckers him there.

3:56 He hit him.

3:56 Yeah.

3:57 What?

3:57 And I'm home.

3:58 My phone is getting blown the[ __] up.

4:00 Like, what happened with Tommy?

4:01 What happened with Tommy?

4:02 I'm like, I don't[ __] know.

4:03 Like, I'm not with him right now.

4:05 And uh I get a call, I swear, like 30 minutes later, and it's Tommy.

4:10 And he's going, "Fuck him." He goes,

4:12 "I'm done with that[ __] I want to fight him.

4:15 I'm gonna[ __] fight him now.

4:16 I go, he goes, I want you to train me.

4:18 I go, he goes, I'm going to move you out.

4:20 I go, no, [laughter] you're moving to me.

4:22 I go, we're not going to be out here with all your little[ __] ass kissers.

4:27 I said, if you're going to do it, you're really going to do it.

4:29 Was he working out at all at the time?

4:30 No.

4:31 So, um, you know, the only working out he does is on the drums,

4:34 which he does murder.

4:35 So, um,

4:36 that is a little bit of arm condition.

4:37 [laughter] That's like a little punchy back.

4:40 And I can show you a picture of him with a choke on me and it's legit like

4:44 he he did train with Hian and he I

4:46 told you guys he trained some with Billy Blank.

4:48 So [laughter]

4:52 Billy Blank was I've talked about this on the podcast.

4:54 He was a bad motherucker.

4:57 He was a one of those like Raymond Daniels

4:59 type karate point fighting character in the early days.

5:02 He's a guy.

5:03 He's [clears throat] a typo guy.

5:04 But we'll get to that later.

5:06 We'll get to that.

5:07 Props to Billy Blanks.

5:08 I bring him in and uh and I he I told him I said,

5:11 "Look, we're when we're going to uh Long Beach." I said, "I know Rogan.

5:15 I can have him come in and you can

5:16 tell him your idea." [laughter] And he and he goes,

5:18 "All right, all right." So, I bring Joe and Eddie, they meet him.

5:21 You he tells Joe he wants to fight him literally.

5:24 And Tommy said his uh sanctuary was his management company at the time.

5:31 I don't know if he still is or not.

5:32 So, they call Kid Rock's people supposedly and offer

5:37 this[ __] fight on pay-per-view and Kid Rock's

5:41 people wound up calling back and basically turning it

5:43 down saying whoever loses is ruined for, you know,

5:47 for life, I guess, cuz looking like a[ __]

5:49 cuz they both had the rock and roll tough guy, you know, image thing.

5:54 So, uh, so he said that did he say that in print?

5:57 That's literally how it how it stopped.

5:59 Was that in print?

6:00 Whoever whoever [clears throat] loses this is ruined or was that correct?

6:02 No, no, no.

6:03 That was the [laughter] that was the that was that was

6:06 supposedly the response from Kid [clears

6:08 throat] Rock's management to Tommy's management.

6:10 That is correct.

6:11 He would be correct, you know.

6:12 Yeah, but if it's a good fight like a Stefan Bonn and Forest G.

6:17 Oh my god.

6:18 Well, that would be different.

6:19 Then they both revolutionary that I kind of forget who won that fight.

6:23 Stephan Bonner, Forest Griest won that fight.

6:25 I know Forest won, but I kind of forget because the fight was so good.

6:29 It was that was one of the most toss up fights of all time.

6:32 Like who[ __] knows?

6:34 Dana did the right thing.

6:35 He contracted both.

6:36 We actually talked about it in the octagon right before he did it.

6:39 Wow.

6:39 Did you really?

6:40 Yeah.

6:40 Like you should give both these[ __] a bonus.

6:43 He's like [clears throat] we're going to do that.

6:44 I'm like[ __] yeah.

6:45 It was amazing.

6:46 Do you think uh if it wasn't for the Ultimate Fighter it would have died out?

6:50 Who knows, man?

6:51 But it was like lightning in a bottle

6:53 because there was another good fight before that.

6:55 Diego Sanchez[ __] Kenny Florian up, man.

6:57 It was that was a oneway beating, [laughter]

7:01 but that was Diego Sanchez coming up.

7:03 Like people got to see Diego fight too many fights.

7:05 They got to see the later fights.

7:07 They forgot what a monster Diego was in his prime.

7:10 He was audio animal.

7:12 Question his grappling.

7:13 I mean, Marcelo got him, but you know,

7:15 he he hung with one of the best of all time.

7:18 JustinC.

7:19 Yeah.

7:19 Is he was a[ __] Listen, man.

7:23 You can only get hit so many times.

7:25 Agreed.

7:25 And he was at halfway gone before taking.

7:28 Well, he was always like this open-minded weird thinker.

7:31 Remember he had that guy that was training him that you had a little bit of a

7:35 What about that loser?

7:37 Joshua Fabia.

7:38 Yeah, don't mention his name.

7:39 [laughter] That guy was demented, man.

7:43 Well, he had Diego hanging upside down like Yeah, the video's insane.

7:49 The video is insane.

7:50 But Diego was like super super open-minded.

7:53 like he was willing to believe in magic.

7:56 He was, you know what I'm saying?

7:57 Like he believed in himself so much that Diego was like and he was

8:00 also like doing weird stuff like he would chew meat and and spit it out.

8:05 He would just chew it down like get all

8:07 the juices from it and then spit whatever was left out.

8:10 He wouldn't swallow the meat.

8:11 But he was fun to watch.

8:12 He'd come out[ __] animal.

8:16 He was a[ __] animal.

8:17 Steve Maxwell trained him for uh the fight

8:21 with BJ Penn and got him in insane shape.

8:24 But unfortunately, that was the fight where BJ started.

8:27 That was when BJ was training with the Marinoviches.

8:29 He was leaping out of pools.

8:31 BJ was unstoppable back then.

8:33 There was there was a time where I always say, watch BJ in his prime.

8:36 [clears throat] I'll put that dude up against anybody.

8:38 BJ Prime.

8:39 There's no doubt.

8:39 I always say he's the best for 55 of all time.

8:42 He was like in that in that window, right?

8:44 in that window when he beat Matt Hughes prime.

8:47 Yeah, he was a human Wolverine.

8:50 Yeah, but you did a lot better with him than I did.

8:53 [laughter] I thought he did.

8:55 You had a championship caliber jiu-jitsu, you know what I mean?

8:59 And a guy like him relies on jiu-jitsu a lot,

9:03 you know, and but BJ was just the I was there's two fights,

9:07 the Kenny for not I'm sorry, Sean Sher flight.

9:10 The Shawn Sharp fight was prime BJ.

9:13 Prime BJ.

9:14 And then what about that's another one too.

9:18 But Diego was like more highly ranked [clears throat] than Joe.

9:22 Yeah.

9:22 Rick Cow Uno.

9:23 I mean, he was a beast.

9:24 Matt, look what he did to Matt Hughes when he took the title.

9:26 Yeah, he was a beast.

9:27 Matt Hughes was just like, you're coming up to my weight class.

9:30 You [laughter] know, that type of thing.

9:32 He was a Wolverine.

9:33 That dude would fight people at 200.

9:35 He fought Leota Machita 200 lb.

9:37 That's crazy.

9:38 He was a Wolverine.

9:39 He did good for about that __] animal and did real good.

9:42 Scary on the feet.

9:45 Yeah.

9:44 A natural 55 who fought as low as 45.

9:47 Remember he went down to 45 a while.

9:50 Bro, BJ was a monster in his prime.

9:52 He was wellrounded too before guys were super well-rounded.

9:56 Like he threw hands well.

9:57 And if he just had the will to go through those Marinovich camps every fight,

10:03 he would have been unstoppable.

10:05 Yeah.

10:05 He just BJ would, you know, he would just lose his focus a little bit.

10:08 I watched a YouTube documentary about like

10:10 the rise and trajectory and then the later years.

10:13 It was really well done, but it was all just talking about how there's

10:17 this prime BJ and that's when he was training

10:19 with the Marinoviches and incredible conditioning and he could

10:22 just go fight and not worry about his conditioning.

10:25 Do you think he it wasn't laziness, right?

10:28 What What do you think it was?

10:29 A lot of friends, a lot of party.

10:30 He's the king of the island.

10:32 He's basically the king of Hawaii.

10:34 PJ Ben was the king.

10:36 Everywhere he would go, people were like,

10:37 "It's PJ." I mean, he was a king in Vegas, man.

10:40 He in in those prime years when he was the champ, he was a huge star.

10:44 So, I'm sure he's a huge star in Hilo.

10:46 He's probably hanging out with the boys all the time, having a good time.

10:49 Plus, his family like had influence there, right?

10:51 They had like money.

10:53 He didn't come from poverty.

10:54 But, it's just like that it just was real hard to maintain those kind of camps.

10:59 Those camps are insane.

11:00 He was also super super talented.

11:02 And so it's like he didn't have to work

11:04 as hard to still beat up people like in practice.

11:07 It definitely came easy.

11:08 His flexibility and leg dexterity.

11:10 Oh my goodness.

11:12 I remember when I fought him and we were doing a rules meeting.

11:14 This is the time where like we could

11:16 ask questions like they did everybody in the rules

11:18 meeting and I'm in the rules meeting and Frank

11:20 Shamrock was in his corner and Frank's like,

11:24 "Are we allowed to in guard kick him in the head from I'm

11:27 like what the how the hell?" like he was talking about his flexibility

11:30 just wrapping around the back of my head and kicking me in the head

11:34 from there and I was like what the hell is this guy insane, right?

11:37 I was like, how the hell is he going

11:38 to be able to kick me in the head from there?

11:40 But apparently BJ had that flexibility to be able to do that behind his head.

11:45 He could do double lotus without using his hands.

11:48 So like sit back and just[ __] completely cotus.

11:53 Yeah, like interlocked with no hands.

11:56 That's insane.

11:57 nuts.

11:58 His flexibility is bananas.

11:59 And he worked on it.

12:00 It wasn't just like a natural gift.

12:02 But how smart was he to figure out if you

12:04 could use your legs like you could use your arms, they're so much[ __] stronger,

12:08 right?

12:08 Yeah.

12:09 Yeah.

12:09 Yeah.

12:10 Yeah.

12:10 Look at this.

12:10 There he is.

12:11 That's nuts, man.

12:12 You know what I'm saying?

12:14 He could put his own [laughter][ __] leg behind his head with no hands.

12:18 That's crazy flexibility.

12:19 [clears throat] I'd say he was going to kick you while you were north south.

12:23 Yeah.

12:24 [laughter] He going to do that.

12:26 That is nuts.

12:27 But if is that legal?

12:28 No.

12:29 There's a lot of goofy rules, right?

12:30 Like that's there's a I don't think it would be

12:33 cool to stomp people in the head and soccer kick them.

12:36 But at least knees to the head should be okay.

12:40 I agree with that because if you're shooting on a single

12:43 and you're holding on to it and your head's right there,

12:46 that's a stupid place to be in real life, right?

12:49 Let's just real life a real fight.

12:51 Why wouldn't the guy kne you in the head?

12:52 You're grabbing his knee.

12:54 If he's you're you're all right here, all he has to do is knee you in the face

12:57 and he can't do it because you're on your knees.

13:00 And let's be fair, like a knee when somebody's on their feet is worse than that.

13:05 Yes.

13:05 You know what I'm saying?

13:05 Like that's not way more behind it.

13:07 Yeah.

13:07 That's not as like if if if you're on the floor, I kne you in the head,

13:10 that's still not as bad as if me just kneing you right in the face with on Yeah.

13:15 Well, especially if you're the Michael Venom Paige fight, the cyborg cyborg.

13:22 Yes.

13:23 If you ever want to know like what's the most destructive strike in MMA?

13:27 Yeah.

13:27 The most amount of power you can generate has got to be a knee.

13:30 A flying knee while guy's coming in when the guy's like shooting in on you.

13:33 The only thing I'm I'm not a fan of is the

13:36 the kick the jab.

13:37 __] the kick to the knee.

13:38 Oh,

13:39 I'm not a fan of that kick.

13:40 Yeah.

13:41 Like you saw what happens if if you hit it right when Khalil did it.

13:45 He did.

13:47 Yeah.

13:47 Modest.

13:48 Like my my opinion there is it's just something that if you hit it right,

13:52 it's it's an injury coming and and not a good one.

13:55 You can't tap.

13:56 It's not like a knee bar or something.

13:58 So I kind of think if you can't kick

13:59 a guy in the side of the knee for that reason, why should you be able to[ __]

14:04 If you can kick in the knees, you should be able to kick in the nuts.

14:06 Yeah, [laughter] I'm going to be real.

14:09 I I need What are we doing here?

14:11 What are we doing here?

14:12 We're pretending.

14:12 Like wear a cup and I can kick you in the nuts.

14:15 There's some good cups out there.

14:16 Always get a steel one.

14:17 It's crazy.

14:18 Like why why do we have some weird rules like that?

14:20 Yeah, it's crazy because like every time somebody

14:22 gets kicked in the nuts, you say it.

14:24 You always say it.

14:24 Why don't you get a steel cup?

14:26 The fact that no one has a steel cup to me

14:29 after all this time is unbelievable.

14:31 Code and it's ultimate cheap code in in gu

14:33 in grappling to somebody on [laughter] remember air ranardi.

14:40 Yeah.

14:40 Yeah.

14:41 That's a long time ago.

14:42 Yeah.

14:42 A long time ago.

14:43 trained with him at uh Legends and he mounted me and he put

14:46 his cup in my solar plexus like I was ready to tap from his dick.

14:52 [laughter] All right, imagine imagine my two 265 doing that.

14:57 You know what I mean?

14:58 And I always wore when I trained, you know,

15:02 as a lever for an arm bar like a knee bar or anything.

15:06 How you going to slide your elbow past that?

15:08 You know, it's a weird[ __] look when the guys

15:09 wear the whole spandex and they have that steel cup.

15:12 So, they got like a [laughter] big[ __] dick in their Shy Carter cup.

15:16 Yeah, it's[ __]

15:17 That's a Yel Romero.

15:18 You remember?

15:18 Yeah, right.

15:19 Remember that Shonyy Carter?

15:20 I think Eddie[ __] talked about it for the entire fight.

15:23 It was a King of the Cage fight and Shy was fighting and he had

15:26 a giant cup on [laughter] and I swear

15:28 Eddie just commentated about the size of the cup.

15:31 It was hilarious.

15:32 [laughter]

15:32 Bro, in the taekwond do days they had ones you'd put on over your pants.

15:36 So you put you'd have your ghee pants on and then you'd

15:38 put these ones on over it and it had like this big strap.

15:42 It go right up to your taint like right literally to your[ __]

15:46 and then go all the way up like this and you would strap it in.

15:49 But it was way better.

15:50 It was way better cuz you had a boxing cup.

15:52 No, it was a taco.

15:53 It was just for taekwondo.

15:54 It was just literally designed to wear outside of And that's

15:57 when I realized like oh you can never wear regular cups.

16:00 Like regular cups move too much.

16:01 It's just sitting there and sometimes your nut gets caught

16:05 between the cup and your leg when you get hit there.

16:08 It's way worse.

16:09 And I think maybe the UFC should make that mandatory.

16:13 100%.

16:13 If you have to wear a mouthpiece, why don't you wear compression shorts?

16:16 Wear those like the diamond MMA ones.

16:19 That's a cup I have.

16:20 I like legit.

16:21 Legit.

16:21 And if you don't want to wear steel, that's fine.

16:23 You don't want to have dental floss up your[ __] [laughter] on.

16:28 It's uncomfortable.

16:28 But that's I would think if I was advising someone,

16:31 I'd say get a[ __] steel cup before they outlaw it

16:35 cuz they should have a long time ago.

16:37 You should have to wear that though.

16:39 I mean, it would it would eliminate all the nut shots.

16:41 If you're smart, you would wear a steel cup 100%.

16:44 Somebody kicks you in the nuts, it'll hurt them more than hurts you.

16:48 Like, it protects you from everything.

16:50 It's uncomfortable.

16:51 That's all it is.

16:52 Just uncomfortable.

16:53 So,

16:53 I mean, so is fighting.

16:55 Yeah.

16:55 Yeah.

16:55 So is fighting.

16:56 So is getting kicked in the nuts.

16:57 Yeah.

16:58 Dude, I can't believe it's legal.

17:00 I really I It's like one of the How do you have steel in there?

17:04 But I don't think anybody has a bunch of guys do.

17:07 DC wore it every fight he had.

17:09 Oh[ __] dude.

17:11 It's You imagine a guy diving on a double and you [snorts] hip into him, man.

17:17 You're slamming his face with your dick.

17:19 Your dick [laughter] is in metal.

17:22 Your dick's covered in metal.

17:23 And that's legal.

17:24 You have to have pads on your knuckles.

17:26 Right.

17:26 You have to have pads on your knuckles and you got an armor plate over your[ __]

17:31 Yeah, I would I would definitely wear that if I was fighting.

17:34 Yeah, [laughter] I'm selling them.

17:35 Why not?

17:36 I'm just selling them on my website

17:40 because it's like there's no way that should be legal.

17:44 Yeah.

17:43 Like how is that legal?

17:45 I don't know.

17:45 I

17:46 It's[ __] metal.

17:48 You're bringing metal into the equation.

17:50 A foot can hit metal.

17:51 A knee can hit.

17:52 You can do that and no and the fact that no one does it.

17:55 It's not well a few guys do it.

17:56 We were talking about different guys who done it

17:58 that that are currently doing it and I know DC did

18:01 it but there's a few guys who still do it

18:02 and we were talking about it on one of the broadcasts.

18:05 I don't remember which guys he was pointing out but there's

18:07 a few guys Kenny Florian always wore a steel cup

18:10 but the fact that not everyone for sure%

18:17 dang it's[ __]

18:18 you here when Degrad starts talking Thai.

18:21 No he speaks fluent Thai.

18:23 Does he really?

18:24 He's got that he's like a guinea from from east from Boston.

18:28 When when he talks he can talk to Thai people, it freaks them out.

18:33 Really?

18:32 Oh yeah, man.

18:33 He spent a lot of time in Thailand.

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19:47 Well, he's my man.

19:48 I go to Boston to stay with him.

19:50 I love that.

19:50 Yeah.

19:51 And his His wife always cooks for me.

19:52 What a bunch of people.

19:54 He's a maniac.

19:56 On the Ultimate Fighter 4, we didn't have assigned coaches and he would

19:59 just work with us like anytime we needed him.

20:01 Yeah.

20:02 You know what I mean?

20:02 He was great and he would let us tackle them

20:04 and[ __] mount them and[ __] you know what I mean?

20:07 As well.

20:08 Yeah.

20:09 He's great, Mark.

20:09 He's a good He's a really good coach, too.

20:12 You know who who was really impressive working with him was Kevin James.

20:16 You know Kevin James, you know, you think of him as the king of queens.

20:19 He worked with Mark a lot and Kevin's been my friend

20:21 for years and I but I really hadn't seen him hit paths.

20:24 I saw him hit hit paths with Delegrad.

20:26 I was like what the[ __] dude.

20:28 I'm like that's good.

20:29 Like this looks good.

20:31 Marco make you look good.

20:32 Marco make a good[ __] coach man.

20:34 He's a really solid coach.

20:36 Gave Longo a black eye.

20:37 [laughter] He sparred one time with Longo.

20:40 Uh Kevin J.

20:41 was walking around like[ __] Petey from the Little Ras.

20:43 [laughter] That's awesome.

20:44 He's a He's a deceptively fast dude.

20:47 Yeah, he's athletic, you know, for big dude.

20:49 When I first met him, he was jacked.

20:51 Like he was like he wasn't as big as he got at one point in time,

20:54 but he's always kind of seesawed back and forth, but he was a karate guy.

20:58 He was always doing karate when he was younger.

21:00 Yeah, he's super athletic.

21:01 There he is.

21:02 It doesn't look as good there.

21:05 [laughter]

21:06 I think that's when he was just getting into it, honestly.

21:09 But he had he was he had Delgate staying

21:11 with him a while and Delicate was training him.

21:14 Yeah, I saw him in Kill Cliff just like blending

21:16 in with the guys like he wasn't like standing out.

21:18 He was just at Killcliffe training.

21:20 Yeah, blending in with the guys.

21:22 He's a great guy.

21:23 I've known him forever.

21:24 I just seen him in either Becky or the Wrath of Becky.

21:28 Oh yeah, that's not a bad show.

21:31 He plays a psycho

21:32 and the girl in it is great.

21:34 It's like the girl is like a little psycho girl.

21:36 That's a fun movie.

21:37 It's fun.

21:38 really fun.

21:38 I think it's the first one called Becky and he plays a villain.

21:41 He plays uh

21:43 um the other guy that did it was Joel McCale.

21:46 Joel Male played the the second psycho in one of the other movies.

21:49 I forget was either the first or the second one.

21:51 I think he's in the second one, The Wrath of Becky.

21:53 Kevin was awesome.

21:54 These are good.

21:54 These are good movies.

21:56 Kevin played a good psycho.

21:57 Hey, did you ever see the the Night of the Seven Kingdoms?

22:01 No, I haven't seen that yet.

22:02 I'm telling you.

22:03 I'm going to watch it though because I'm in the middle of finishing

22:06 the first season of game the first year the first all Game of Thrones.

22:10 What?

22:10 You're doing it over?

22:11 Yeah.

22:11 Yeah.

22:11 Yeah.

22:12 Oh, you've seen it already?

22:13 But I haven't seen it since like 2015 or 11.

22:16 It's[ __] amazing.

22:17 I forgot so much.

22:19 It's[ __] awesome.

22:20 This you don't even have to watch any of the Game of Thrones cuz

22:23 this takes place 90 years before the first events of the Game of Thrones.

22:27 Sir Duncan the Tall and it is so good.

22:31 So well done and it's based on the novel I'm a[ __] nerd.

22:35 I I read the graphic novel of it by uh George RR Martin.

22:40 Yeah.

22:40 Yeah.

22:40 And I read it back in the day and it was it's so great

22:44 and you know how they have like trial um by combat.

22:48 Yeah.

22:48 In this one, not to give everything away,

22:49 but he this guy gets into it and he has to do a trial by seven.

22:52 So it's seven on seven nights.

22:54 Y

22:55 and it's like one of those thing.

22:56 He's a hedge knight.

22:56 It's it's[ __] really good.

22:59 What I like about it is Did you ever watch the House of the Dragon?

23:03 Yes.

23:03 It's a lot of cool[ __] but there's no one to root for.

23:06 They're a bunch of pricks.

23:08 Who's one's worse than the other?

23:10 I mean, back in in Game of Thrones, Jon Snow, we had,

23:13 you know, um Ned Stark doing even some guys that are,

23:17 you know, even just great characters and some guys

23:19 that are on like the Hound who's do like the anti-hero.

23:22 But with this one, it's just a[ __]

23:25 good solid dude trying to do the right thing.

23:29 Y

23:29 and uh and he and by trying to do the right thing,

23:32 he gets into, you know,

23:33 into some trouble and it's just it gives you like it's like

23:38 like being righteous and have like real heroics like you know what I mean?

23:41 Like some[ __] that that's missing nowadays because it's all about getting

23:44 a[ __] message in there or making[ __] diverse which I love though.

23:50 [laughter] Stop.

23:49 You know what's really funny about that?

23:53 Game of Thrones.

23:55 Game of Thrones was like a feminist series if you if you really think about it.

24:01 I mean, really was but but without any fanfare.

24:05 Like no bringing it up.

24:06 No one paid attention to it.

24:08 But the baddest people on that show were the women.

24:11 Cersei Lannister was the baddest[ __] in the world.

24:13 Ara Stark[ __] killed everybody.

24:16 Santa kept it together through all that[ __] Brianna of Tar[ __] everybody up,

24:21 including the hounds.

24:23 The most feminist.

24:25 Yes.

24:25 And you got Daenerys, the queen of dragons, who's the baddest[ __] on earth.

24:30 You literally can't burn her.

24:31 And she's got three dragons.

24:34 It's a feminist series.

24:35 [laughter] I didn't even realize it.

24:37 It is.

24:37 It's a completely feminist series, but without

24:40 It never even crosses.

24:41 Doesn't cross your mind cuz it's so good.

24:42 You don't care.

24:43 It's not It's not like dumb.

24:45 It's You have to watch that Dean.

24:47 No, I Yeah.

24:48 And House of Dragons is the same way, right?

24:50 Like there's some of these like Star Wars

24:52 movies where it's all women generals and you're like,

24:54 "Shut the [laughter][ __] up.

24:58 Shut the[ __] up."

25:00 And all the men are scared of them and they all like get out of the room.

25:02 Like this is fiction, right?

25:04 This is nonsense.

25:06 Even though that's obviously fiction, [clears throat] too.

25:08 It's way better.

25:10 A lady that has dragons, the hottest[ __] around, she's got dragons.

25:14 She she[ __] a bunch of killers.

25:16 She brings them into her bed.

25:18 Well, because they do a good job of making [laughter] barbarians.

25:20 Well, they do such a good job of making them flawed that you

25:24 don't even realize that they are the baddest[ __] in the world,

25:28 but they're so but they're flawed in a way where it's like it makes them human.

25:32 Yeah.

25:33 Yeah.

25:32 I mean, look at Cersei Lannister.

25:34 All of her kids gone.

25:35 That[ __] survives.

25:36 She's got a giant demon that watches over her, right?

25:39 Like she's in love with her brother.

25:41 She[ __] her brother and [laughter] her brother.

25:43 Remember when she had the Well,

25:44 I don't spoiler alert when she had that uh the the priest

25:48 that tortured her while she was in the cell when they finally got her.

25:51 Yeah.

25:51 And she's like, "I'm ready to meet my maker." She's like,

25:53 "Oh, you're not going to die today." And then the [laughter][ __]

26:04 Oh my god.

26:04 [laughter]

26:05 Oh, dude.

26:06 That was such a horrifying scene.

26:08 It was such a great show, though.

26:10 Is there a better like world universe than that?

26:13 No one was safe on that show.

26:15 You never knew the the biggest character could

26:18 just get[ __] merked at like the next episode.

26:21 Pedro Pascal that played that was his character

26:25 when he got killed by Prince Ador.

26:28 First of all, I never thought they would kill him.

26:29 Like that guy's an important character.

26:31 He's bringing all this new life to the show and all a sudden

26:33 you see the mountain get his knuckles into that guy's eyeballs and crushes.

26:38 That was so crazy.

26:38 Holy[ __] That was like one of the most

26:40 disturbing murder scenes you've ever seen in your life.

26:43 And he was doing great.

26:44 He was taking a[ __] out of him.

26:45 He got too cocky.

26:47 Worked him over.

26:48 Thought he had him.

26:49 You raped her.

26:50 You murdered her.

26:51 You killed our children.

26:52 Some[ __] like that.

26:53 He kept repeating it.

26:54 Yeah.

26:54 And strutting around with the mountains on his back.

26:57 They are.

26:58 [cough] What a crazy show.

27:00 Such a good show.

27:01 One of the greatest shows of all time.

27:03 I'm telling you, you got to text me after you

27:05 watch The Night of the Seven Kingdoms cuz it's all out.

27:07 You could binge it.

27:08 to it as soon as we're done with this.

27:09 We're on like season seven now.

27:11 Six episodes and each each episode's like 30 minutes.

27:15 You run through it.

27:15 The House of Dragons never really dragged me in.

27:17 It did.

27:18 It was interesting.

27:19 You know, it was like I liked it, but it wasn't the same thing.

27:23 Definitely not.

27:23 This I think this the new one is in my opinion better.

27:27 I thought Oh, the C the seven kingdoms.

27:32 There's parts in it that just get you GOING LIKE[ __] YEAH.

27:34 YEAH.

27:35 YEAH.

27:35 Hell yeah.

27:35 I'm looking forward to I [clears throat] hope they lengthen it a little bit.

27:38 You know what I'm saying?

27:39 Six half hour episodes.

27:41 But I love the relationship between the kid and the whole show, right?

27:47 One thing I did love about House of Dragons when

27:49 they were trying to figure out who could ride a dragon.

27:51 Oh, that was cool.

27:51 And they brought all those people down there to test them.

27:54 [laughter]

27:56 You have to have some Targaryen blood.

27:58 And a lot of the Targaryenss[ __] a lot of regular people.

28:01 So they were searching for Targaryen blood,

28:03 just taking people out of the pub and just push them in front of the track.

28:06 That [laughter] was crazy.

28:08 She first they asked the uh one of the king's guard like you know

28:11 we tracked you back to whatever and he's like oh it's a great honor.

28:13 No, I want to do it.

28:14 Yeah, buddy.

28:15 Careful what you wish for,[ __] That scene was [laughter] herself.

28:18 That scene was nuts, dude.

28:20 The red the red wedding.

28:22 __] that was the craziest[ __] ever.

28:23 You couldn't believe it was happening while it was happening.

28:25 Like this can't cuz they were taking everybody happening.

28:28 This can't be happening.

28:29 Did you hate the ending as much as as everybody?

28:31 I did not enjoy it.

28:33 It felt to me like they had to tie it up and like nice bow.

28:37 You know, I would have been almost better if

28:39 it was like no country for old men style ending.

28:42 I think all all shows should be

28:43 like that because life continues afterwards, right?

28:46 You don't have to tie it in 12.

28:48 Yeah.

28:49 Yeah.

28:49 Yeah.

28:49 Yeah.

28:51 Yeah.

28:50 Once it got past the books, it took a hit.

28:55 Yeah.

28:54 Well, that guy's a genius.

28:55 I mean, the the world that guy created and the complexity

28:59 of all the characters like Tyrion Lannister and Tywin Lannister and

29:03 Oh my god, good.

29:06 Yeah.

29:06 Yeah, man.

29:06 I mean, that guy was so[ __] good, man.

29:09 They're already doing the the uh Sworn Sword,

29:11 which is the second book of uh Game of Thrones of uh the Dunkin Egg Tales.

29:16 Oh, nice.

29:19 Awesome.

29:18 That's that's his writing, too.

29:20 That's his Yeah, he did another one.

29:23 He did [clears throat] three books.

29:24 It was uh a night of the seven kingdoms which they just did.

29:26 They're going to do a sworn sword and then it's the mystery night.

29:30 I don't know anything but I know a lot of Game of Thrones[ __] [laughter]

29:33 Don't ask me about

29:34 Game of Thrones and Star Wars.

29:36 You're my go-to.

29:37 The world's so[ __] up.

29:38 You're way better off with that stuff in your head.

29:41 That's why I do it, man.

29:42 It's such an escape, man.

29:44 Just to sit home and watch TV.

29:45 That's all I do, man.

29:46 Sit home and watch TV.

29:47 Speaking of Star Wars, I got a a text out of nowhere from uh from George St.

29:52 Pierre.

29:52 He loves it as much as me.

29:53 Oh yeah, it was just about the new Darth Maul animated series.

29:56 Oh no, he [laughter] I swear to God.

29:59 And then he gave me back a report.

30:00 He told me he's like, "Oh, it's so far so good." This

30:03 I told you my brother My brother's like, "I know Matt's in Star Wars.

30:06 Tell him watch the new Darth Maul." You know, Jamie says,

30:09 "It's fun." I I love George.

30:11 He's He's the best.

30:13 I have the hardest time convincing people who he is.

30:16 It's hilarious.

30:16 What do you mean?

30:17 Like when people when he comes to the mothership

30:18 and people that don't know anything about MMA, they're like,

30:21 "What does your friend do?" I go,

30:22 "That is one of the [laughter] greatest fighters

30:25 that ever walked the face of the earth."

30:27 You're like, "No, for real." I go, "Yeah,

30:28 100% in everybody's list of one of the greatest of all time."

30:33 And he's like, "Hello,

30:34 nice to meet you." [laughter] He just seems so sweet and friendly.

30:37 Man, that's the problem with MMA is that like

30:39 you have to convince people about how bad somebody was.

30:42 And it wasn't that long ago.

30:43 I mean, it wasn't that long ago that George St.

30:45 Pierre was the[ __] greatest of all time.

30:47 No, it wasn't that long.

30:48 And now, but the fans are so new that you they don't get it.

30:51 They don't go back and watch it.

30:52 They had to watch like go back and watch the John Fitch fight.

30:55 Oh man, prime GSP.

30:58 Prime.

30:59 He was terrifying.

31:01 Incredible gas tank.

31:02 Great flow between grappling and striking.

31:05 You very creative.

31:06 He put that[ __] together the best.

31:08 That's why he had such success taking everybody down.

31:10 Like his he would set it up his level

31:12 change and he always he ran through every takedown.

31:15 It was never he was going to run you across the cage.

31:19 George was phenomenal.

31:20 And then I think Farasah Hobby was a big part of that too.

31:23 Farasah Hab is a bad[ __] Yeah, he's smart.

31:26 You ever watch his YouTube breakdowns of sometimes?

31:28 Yeah.

31:28 Yeah.

31:28 Yeah.

31:28 He's he's incredible.

31:30 Very astute.

31:31 He's so knowledgeable of the game of every aspect of it.

31:35 You know, his brother is doing well.

31:37 Yeah.

31:37 His brother's fighting at the White House.

31:38 He's fighting Shaun Ali and I think people are sleeping on him.

31:42 Well, listen, he keeps winning.

31:45 Yeah, he keeps[ __] winning.

31:45 the the one fight that he had that was kind of a little controversial was Aldo.

31:50 Remember Aldo almost had I don't Yeah, for sure.

31:53 I'm not sure he won that fight because I think

31:55 they're not being generous enough with the 108s in the 107s.

32:00 They don't do it enough.

32:01 Not enough.

32:01 There's When a guy just tunes you up for like a minute

32:06 and a half of the round and you almost go unconscious,

32:08 you know, like that that means a lot.

32:11 I hate the fact that they don't use it enough all because like Dana was like,

32:14 "Oh, I don't like it."

32:16 And now the judges are just like, "No, we can't do it because

32:18 listen, the scoring system sucks because we stole it from boxing.

32:22 It's not it doesn't have enough points

32:25 for sure.

32:25 It should be like a you should get

32:27 like a certain amount of points for different things,

32:30 but it would be really hard to calculate

32:32 because it would be have to be subjective.

32:34 Like if Pereira hits you, it's way harder than if someone's like, you know,

32:39 Paul Craig, like no disrespect,

32:41 but you know what I'm saying, the consequences are very different.

32:44 So if he hits you with a left hook,

32:45 it's different than if Pereira hits you with a left hook.

32:47 So that's subjective.

32:48 But in terms of like what happens in the fight,

32:51 you should be counting in submission attempts.

32:54 You should be counting in takedown attempts, like who was more aggressive,

32:57 who is more defensive, who who's implemented their STR.

33:00 You should have like a 100 points to work with.

33:03 Absolutely.

33:03 cuz he got 10 points.

33:04 Why are we only using two of them?

33:05 It's nine and a 10.

33:06 Why?

33:07 It don't make any [clears throat] sense cuz there's

33:08 10 nine rounds that are like uh could be anybody.

33:11 And there's 10 N rounds where he dominated.

33:14 That's well see like UFC BJJ uses that and it works

33:18 better for that because they're very liberal with the 108s and 107s.

33:22 They use it a lot.

33:23 They're like if it's if it's close it's a 109.

33:26 If it's one-sided it's automatically a 108.

33:29 So they use more sense.

33:31 That does make more sense.

33:32 But even in BJJ, I would say you'd need more points.

33:35 You need like it's like the difference between a 7030 round where a guy's

33:40 dominating you 70% of the time and a 5149 round is[ __] huge.

33:46 It's huge and it doesn't reflect it in the scorecards at all.

33:49 So like you could win a 109 round in the first

33:51 round where it's like you're barely ahead like maybe I'll give it

33:55 to you and then the second round that dude[ __] you

33:58 up and he gets a 109 round cuz you didn't go down.

34:02 Yeah.

34:02 But he's headkicking you and you're blocking it.

34:04 You're getting teepped.

34:06 Your legs are getting kicked all the time.

34:07 It's still a 10- nine round.

34:09 That's some That's nuts.

34:10 No,

34:10 just because you didn't go unconscious, just cuz you didn't get knocked down.

34:13 I think it's my ADD's kicking in.

34:16 But we're talking about the close calls, close scoring.

34:19 I thought Aljo

34:21 I thought he should have got that nod against[ __] I thought so too.

34:25 I thought I didn't think there was the guy got on one reversal at the end like

34:29 a minute 30 left and Aljo was winning that whole first round.

34:32 Aljo is a nightmare for a grappling expert.

34:34 He could be undefeated at 140.

34:35 He's a nightmare because if your whole thing is grappling

34:38 with people and you got to grapple with Aljo, you got problems.

34:41 That dude gets your back.

34:42 He's got he's got I mean him and 10 108 round like he was just on his back

34:47 dominated round and they don't and no how is that not a 108 round?

34:52 He's fighting Yousef uh Salon, I said.

34:55 Yeah.

34:56 Yeah.

34:56 Yousef's allowed.

34:57 And that's on the 25th of April.

34:58 But I mean, but I think, you know,

35:00 if it hits the ground, I think there's levels to this.

35:04 Yeah.

35:03 Did Did Aljo over Yan in the second fight,

35:06 was that like the best anybody's ever done with Yan?

35:09 Yeah.

35:09 No doubt.

35:11 His control is just so good when it hits the floor.

35:13 That's the difference between him and Morav.

35:14 Morav keep getting you down and up, down, up.

35:16 Aljo hits the floor.

35:18 Yeah.

35:18 You're not even He just needs back exposure.

35:21 He's one of those some guys they can't jump up on the back.

35:24 It's not good for them.

35:24 They're going to get tired, dude.

35:26 All day long he'll just go up there,

35:28 lock that[ __] on, and [laughter] if he doesn't get you, that's his round.

35:32 Like he's the Sanhagen fight was what a masterpiece.

35:36 Masterpiece.

35:37 His grappling is so so good.

35:38 Yeah, he doesn't get proper credit.

35:40 No, his back takes some of the best in the in the sport, period.

35:43 Man, they're not a big fan of his.

35:45 They don't push I I feel SUCH A [laughter] NICE GUY.

35:48 I KNOW.

35:48 He does everything right.

35:50 I think it's the one fight with the neck

35:53 that was I think that was turned everybody against him.

35:56 Those people are wrong.

35:58 But look what happened was[ __] up.

35:59 Look what happened in the seconded.

36:01 I mean he should have validated the entire

36:03 thing by whooping his ass in the second fight.

36:06 But they had already decided they hate him stuck on it.

36:08 They already he had to get his[ __] disc replaced.

36:11 It was real.

36:12 It was a real[ __] injury.

36:13 He should be he could be un he

36:15 could be a two-time champ a double division champ.

36:17 I mean, he's in my mind, he's undefeated at 145.

36:21 Look what he did to Calvin Kedar, which was Calvin Kater is a beast.

36:24 But

36:24 it was, if you didn't know Calvin Kater, if that's your first fight seeing him,

36:28 you' be like, "Oh, that guy doesn't belong here," which he obviously does.

36:30 He's a beast.

36:32 But Ala was masterful.

36:34 He know what it is.

36:34 He's good at not getting hit.

36:36 So it's like he's not giving you that back and forth cuz

36:40 and and Longo says you've seen 20% of what he could do stand up

36:44 and standing up like I'd ask him something with his He's like he

36:47 could put his foot wherever he wants it like about a kick or something.

36:50 He's he's just really really talented man.

36:53 I hope he gets his shot if he takes out uh you know uh Yousef.

36:57 I hope he they give him a shot again cuz I think he could be a two-time champ.

37:00 He Well, listen, he's still a bad[ __]

37:03 like he's [clears throat] he's a nightmare for everybody,

37:06 especially if he gets a hold of you.

37:07 But I mean, people look at the one fight losses.

37:11 They look at the Shawn Ali fight.

37:13 Like Shawn caught him perfect.

37:14 That's just how

37:15 And you know, he his head wasn't really

37:17 in that cuz he didn't even want to be there.

37:20 Nope.

37:19 Why didn't he want to be there?

37:21 He fight They made him fight that fight.

37:24 He didn't want to fight.

37:26 Yeah.

37:26 Yeah.

37:26 They they did like a whole documentary on it where it was like they they

37:29 they kind of twisted his arm to like you got to do this and they were injured.

37:34 I think he was injured.

37:35 There was a quick turnaround.

37:37 It was too quick a turnaround.

37:38 He's the champ.

37:39 He didn't feel he should be forced into,

37:41 you know, but he thought the number he thought they he thought

37:44 the pay-per-view numbers was going to make up for it.

37:46 He thought he's going to get all this money from it because he was like,

37:48 "All right, I'll do it.

37:49 Sean Ali is going to bring in the numbers." Then

37:51 he said when it was over, he saw the numbers.

37:53 He was like, "If I knew the numbers was going

37:55 to be like this, I don't think I'd have did it." Yeah.

37:58 Really?

38:00 Yeah.

37:59 So, it didn't do well.

38:01 It didn't do as well as he thought he

38:03 was going to do based on Shawn Ali's presence.

38:07 Listen, man.

38:07 It It takes a lot to get people to pay for something today.

38:11 There's too much money to steal it.

38:14 This Paramount thing is genius in that regard is

38:16 that all you have to do is have that app,

38:18 which a lot of people have already anyway.

38:21 Yeah,

38:20 that's genius.

38:21 But to make people pay every time to to watch fights,

38:24 like there's so much to watch today.

38:27 Well, that Well, that was the one thing that my people at ESPN told me.

38:30 They was like, "It's a big difference between being

38:31 popular and then having people pay to watch you fight."

38:35 Yeah.

38:35 Like you can be popular, but ain't nobody paying you paying you to fight.

38:38 So, it's a big difference.

38:39 It's a giant difference.

38:41 Yeah.

38:40 Yeah.

38:41 It's a giant difference.

38:42 I like that it's on Paramount as a fan, though.

38:45 Save save you a ton of money.

38:47 I pay I used to pay for every one of them.

38:49 This Netflix thing is nice, too.

38:51 It's good to see that there's like someone who's willing

38:53 to throw a lot of money at MMA in another large arena,

38:58 you know, like Netflix.

38:59 What do you do, guys?

39:01 Cheetah vers Ronda.

39:03 I I think round one submission Ronda.

39:08 Yeah.

39:07 Unless she wants to try to just stand up with her, which I doubt.

39:10 I hope not.

39:12 I don't know what Gan has been doing, you know.

39:15 I don't know how long she went without MMA training at all.

39:19 You know, she was recently a little heavy.

39:21 I can say that.

39:22 She'll be great now.

39:23 Does she look great now?

39:25 Look, she got in great shape.

39:26 She got in great shape.

39:27 She's still like 43 years old.

39:29 No, but the question is like what was she doing in those?

39:33 Was she still training some?

39:34 That would be my real question because if you just put it

39:37 all down and you walk away for 17 years, I got to go.

39:41 I mean, but with the with the weight loss, with the weight gain that she had,

39:45 there was no way she was training or doing anything.

39:47 That's what I'm saying.

39:48 Like, she's back in shape and she obviously is busting her ass to do that.

39:53 But how long, like you're saying, was she down

39:56 and she has to develop a a a grappling

39:59 defense to one of the best female grapplers ever.

40:02 No, Ronda's leg.

40:04 Her only hope is to keep it on the street.

40:05 Guard on her and I sweep.

40:07 She would pull guard and sweep her or arm lock her.

40:10 Her arm locks her.

40:11 Her arm locks are amazing.

40:11 Her arm locks are amazing.

40:13 They're preposterous,

40:14 you know.

40:14 I think there's too many

40:16 dude or chick.

40:16 Her arm bars.

40:17 Remember that cat zingo fight?

40:18 Cat charged at her.

40:20 Cat threw her.

40:21 That was the craziest.

40:22 Got her an arm bar like instantaneous.

40:24 Stupid strategy that was.

40:25 [laughter] Yeah, she blanked out on that one.

40:27 So crazy.

40:29 That was such a sick transition, too.

40:30 No, but I saw a video of Gina hitting pads with John

40:33 Wood that was kind of recent and it did not look good.

40:37 How recent was it doing?

40:38 I don't know.

40:39 I don't know.

40:39 But it didn't look good.

40:40 I was just like,

40:41 it's hard to tell.

40:42 I hope it's I hope this is older.

40:44 She's a big girl.

40:45 Maybe she can stop her from taking her down or something.

40:47 But also, it's also what were they doing?

40:49 Were they just working on slow motion[ __] Were they just trying

40:52 to get a movement or were they getting in a hard mitt workout?

40:54 You know what I'm saying?

40:55 I mean, either way, like just like mechanically it didn't look great

41:00 mechanically.

41:00 So, I mean, but it could have been it's like one of them things where like

41:03 this could be like her her comeback session

41:06 and she's just trying to get warmed up.

41:07 But, who knows?

41:08 I mean, you know, who knows?

41:09 Maybe she's Who knows?

41:10 You just never know.

41:11 I hope so.

41:11 Yeah.

41:12 I hope it's better than that.

41:13 Round one submission.

41:16 I mean, probably probably right.

41:17 I mean, come on.

41:18 I bet you know, if you had Poly Market, you can make some money on that, right?

41:23 [laughter]

41:22 just like there's going to be a lot of bets on that.

41:25 It's uh it's it's exciting though that that Netflix is doing it.

41:29 That's what I like.

41:30 I like that there's another place people can go.

41:33 It'll raise.

41:34 But how sustainable is this though?

41:36 That's my biggest question.

41:37 Whoever's putting the money up for this is going to lose their ass.

41:40 I think you think they're going to make that money back, right?

41:42 But here's the thing.

41:43 It's Netflix, right?

41:44 So Netflix has an insane amount of money and they keep raking it in.

41:48 Like every month people are paying whatever they're paying.

41:50 It's as high as like what 19 bucks for ad free.

41:53 What is it?

41:54 How much is a Netflix account now?

41:56 I want to say it's higher.

41:57 I think it just went up, right?

41:59 Yeah.

42:00 So going all that money is just coming in every month.

42:03 They just got to give people exciting things to want to watch

42:06 and they'll keep making more money because more people use Netflix.

42:09 Like it would seem like they're going to lose their ass, but they're not

42:12 because they have a completely different business model.

42:15 Obviously I'm not a businessman.

42:17 $8.99 to 26.99 per month.

42:19 I'm a ter I'm in fact I'm a terrible businessman.

42:22 But I would imagine you'll just make money by giving

42:25 people awesome[ __] so they keep tuning into Netflix.

42:27 So in that sense they're not going to lose any money because there's a lot

42:30 of MMA fans that probably subscribe to Netflix

42:32 just so they can watch that fight, right?

42:35 So who's on the card now?

42:37 It's like Felipe Lind versus Inanu.

42:40 Yeah.

42:40 Mike Perry versus Nate Diaz,

42:44 right?

42:43 Oh, and Robelis to Spain.

42:47 Yeah.

42:47 Yeah.

42:47 And uh Junior Dos Santos.

42:49 That one.

42:50 That one is like

42:51 Who's it?

42:52 Roella Desp.

42:53 That tall karate combat dude.

42:56 He's a taekwond do black belt from Cuba.

42:58 Wait, was Junior?

42:59 Yeah.

42:59 How old's Junior?

43:01 He's 50 [clears throat] now.

43:02 Is he 50?

43:03 No, [laughter] he's close.

43:04 But he's in good shape.

43:05 I actually did a We spoke at a high school a couple of months ago.

43:08 Yeah.

43:08 I'm glad to hear that.

43:10 I mean, at least these guys get an outlet to make some extra money.

43:13 Yeah, man.

43:13 And who doesn't Adriana Moray is a you know

43:16 that's a Mogay is probably going to school him

43:19 but I mean it's they got some they're giving

43:21 guys some opportunity so you got to like this.

43:24 Absolutely.

43:24 Yeah.

43:25 Absolutely.

43:26 It'll be a big show.

43:28 A lot of people will tune in.

43:29 Diaz and Perry's going to be[ __] bananas.

43:32 That'll be really fun to watch.

43:34 Yeah, that's I mean that'll be worth the price of admission.

43:36 Imagine if that was 10 years ago.

43:37 That fight would be

43:38 I'm looking [laughter] at this.

43:39 It's like if the GLA went to[ __] it came came true.

43:44 __] remember that grandpa [laughter] league that was not everybody.

43:47 It just stole all their talent, bro.

43:50 Diaz versus Perry.

43:51 Guaranteed dog fight.

43:53 Just a guaranteed dog fight.

43:55 That will not be Who do you think wins?

43:58 I think the jiu-jitsu is going to be too much.

44:00 I think I kind of think that too.

44:02 I kind of think Nate might just drag him deeper, right?

44:05 I think we're going to see.

44:06 You know, we're going to see.

44:07 Oh, it's five rounds.

44:08 Five rounds.

44:08 That's crazy.

44:09 Five rounds is crazy.

44:10 I wonder why they agreed on that.

44:13 Interesting.

44:13 Why do you think they agreed?

44:14 I didn't realize that.

44:15 Is the Gina fight five rounds or is it three rounds?

44:17 Three.

44:18 When they first announced it said five by five for everything,

44:21 but they've changed a bit.

44:23 So, it says five.

44:25 Yeah, just for those two though.

44:26 This one does not.

44:29 And it also says these are the main event.

44:31 I mean, I can't imagine five rounds.

44:34 Well, actually, it does.

44:34 There it does.

44:34 It says it real.

44:35 It's hard to see it.

44:36 Yeah.

44:36 5x5 professional.

44:38 Yeah.

44:38 Okay,

44:40 bro.

44:40 Loren Larkin back in the day.

44:42 I remember he fought Neil Magny.

44:44 Was hitting him with oblique kicks to the chest and I was like,

44:47 I do not think I've ever seen anybody throw it that way.

44:50 You ever see that fight?

44:51 No, I don't remember that fight.

44:53 He tuned Neil Magny up and Loren Larkin was a bad[ __] I do remember that.

44:57 Like he had he had a good little run.

44:59 He was so his striking was elite.

45:02 Yeah.

45:02 And he would he when he fought Neil Magny,

45:04 he you know Neil Magny's a tough[ __] dude, man.

45:07 Durable.

45:08 Incredible discipline and endurance.

45:10 Like that dude's never out of shape.

45:12 And he was just getting too Look at this.

45:15 I mean, he's throwing an oblique kick to the ribs.

45:18 That one there, he just hit his arm and knocked him down with it.

45:21 But earlier before that, he caught him on the rib cage with it.

45:25 Look at that.

45:25 Look at that, bro.

45:26 That's crazy.

45:27 He gave him a spot.

45:28 Damn.

45:29 That's the second look at it.

45:31 But right here, you're seeing him.

45:32 He's blasting him with this

45:34 kick that nobody throws like that.

45:37 That's a crazy position to put your hips in.

45:40 That is crazy, bro.

45:41 He's He was sharp.

45:42 How did this one end?

45:43 He stopped him.

45:45 Oh, did he?

45:46 Yeah.

45:47 Oh[ __] Yeah.

45:48 Loren was all over him, man.

45:49 It was a like one of the prime performances that I've seen of him fight.

45:56 Yeah, he had a good little run.

45:56 He had a great a great run but in during

45:58 that run and this was like he came from Bellator right.

46:01 Yeah.

46:01 Yeah.

46:01 And when he came over from Bellator it's like

46:02 he was still like red hot like red hot.

46:07 Some Yeah.

46:08 Two guys that were in Bellator which is uh Pit Ball and Aaron Pico.

46:13 They're getting ready to fight in this weekend.

46:15 How much time do you think a guy like Pico is supposed to take off after Lrone?

46:20 We we were just talking about that cuz I love his offense man.

46:23 And he's a little raging bull

46:25 animal and strong powerful.

46:27 He just got caught.

46:28 And he got caught perfect.

46:29 I mean, it was just perfect.

46:31 That spinning elbow.

46:31 I think he got stopped more than Did he get

46:33 stopped more than once with a bad knockout like that?

46:35 Yeah.

46:36 Best fight ever.

46:36 You don't want to go through your

46:38 The kid from um Kill Cliff.

46:40 Uh Adam Bur.

46:42 Adam Burks.

46:43 Yeah, he got him with a flying knee.

46:44 With a flying knee.

46:45 Yeah.

46:46 Yeah.

46:46 Damn, dude.

46:46 You don't want too many of those.

46:48 That's right.

46:48 But those put him out, man.

46:50 Like you just see him just go boop.

46:52 Yeah.

46:52 That Macy Barber won the other day.

46:54 Oh, dude, that was

46:56 one of the greatest finishes in women's MMA history.

46:58 Oh, no doubt.

46:59 I wanted to reach out to Macy cuz I felt so bad.

47:02 I wanted to reach out to the doctor and say,

47:03 "What [laughter] the[ __] are you think?" He's just over like a[ __] [laughter]

47:09 So crazy.

47:10 Yeah.

47:10 He's like I'm LIKE, "GET SOME SMELL." I'M LIKE,

47:12 "Somebody the cameraman please get off this or somebody talk to the doctor

47:17 cuz I don't know what the fuck." He was just over like, "Man, this is[ __] up.

47:22 [laughter] I don't think he knew exactly what was going on.

47:23 He probably has no experience in combat sports, right?

47:26 He didn't realize that she got knocked out

47:28 and while she was out cold, she got strangled.

47:31 She transitioned so fast.

47:33 Like, she's out there.

47:34 She's out cold already and then she gets strangled.

47:37 Like, that's never happened before.

47:39 What's crazy is she was Look at the way he kind of still reacting and then

47:43 when they put her on her back, she just it was

47:45 she went limp as she was trying to sit up.

47:48 She went limp.

47:48 You see right there?

47:49 like she was trying to get up and then

47:51 as the guy has his arm around her, she goes limp,

47:57 dude.

47:56 See, there's like there's uh sea level Kane and then there's Southpaw Alexa.

48:01 When she fights Southpaw, man, she is dangerous.

48:03 Then this confused doctor, [laughter]

48:07 right?

48:08 Never seen this before.

48:10 Hey, crazy.

48:11 Look at him.

48:11 Right.

48:11 He's like

48:12 crazy is just Well, she's kind of coming too there.

48:15 I think she's blinking.

48:16 But that was just Holy[ __]

48:18 Why?

48:18 And the speed that she took her back.

48:21 Left hand boop back choke.

48:23 Amazing.

48:24 One shot while she was out.

48:25 Still cracked her again.

48:27 Got her back and choked her all like a lightning bolt.

48:30 That was super.

48:31 But that's the same combination she hit Valentina with when she finished her.

48:34 I feel like five minutes with us sitting there.

48:36 Left hand.

48:36 Boom.

48:37 Took her back.

48:38 Took her a while.

48:39 It took her longer.

48:40 But look at this.

48:44 So she's in trouble.

48:46 Bam.

48:46 Right there.

48:46 Out cold and then strangled.

48:50 I don't think that combination of out

48:51 cold and then strangled has ever happened before.

48:54 No,

48:54 cuz I mean she seen Watch this punch here.

48:55 That's out cold, right?

48:58 And then boom.

49:00 Sick.

49:01 Now that's crazy.

49:04 Crazy.

49:07 Wow.

49:05 She's tough, man.

49:09 Fall backwards in front of you after the knockdown, you know.

49:12 Well, so here's the thing.

49:13 She gets up and when she gets up I think she faints.

49:17 Like I think she tries to get up

49:19 and then he Mike puts his arm around her and she's out.

49:24 I think she fainted.

49:25 That's just scary.

49:26 That's scary.

49:27 And she also had had some problems before with seizures.

49:32 Yeah.

49:32 She had to pull out of that fight with uh Aaron Blanchfield.

49:35 Seizure in the locker room, right?

49:36 So they allow they still allow her to fight even though she's had seizures.

49:40 That's pretty crazy.

49:41 Well, it depends on what's causing the seizures, right?

49:43 If they know it's a medication that she was on to get her off the medication.

49:46 Like, there's I don't know what causes seizures.

49:48 Well, that shit's not going to help the seizures.

49:50 But it certainly wouldn't make me enthusiastic about fighting, right?

49:54 It would have to[ __] with your motivation if you're already having seizures.

49:58 I wouldn't want to do it.

49:59 I

50:00 Now, now after that,

50:02 I wouldn't want to do it.

50:03 Anytime you fight, that's a possibility.

50:06 Y

50:06 and he I mean look at a guy who never once looked

50:10 took anything remotely like that like um Camaro man

50:13 and even in a fight where he's just doing so great and then that's the closest

50:17 thing I seen to that which is when he got stopped with that head kick.

50:22 Yeah.

50:21 And you know that's a possibility anytime you make that walk.

50:25 That's why you got that[ __] little feeling

50:27 in your you know before you walk out there.

50:31 The Camaro one was nuts too because John Anick was

50:35 just saying because DC was like a lot of people would

50:38 quit in this situation and John Anick said something along

50:41 the lines of but that is not the cloth from which

50:43 I know and then as soon I mean that was like the most perfect timing ever.

50:48 like a movie like it was if you saw that in a movie like shut up

50:52 cuz I had [laughter] just I had just came

50:53 in and was like yeah I think he's broke

50:56 and then DC was saying it and then John intervened

50:58 with he's not cut from that cloth and boom head kick.

51:02 It was nuts.

51:03 What is that new Russell Crow's doing a new MMA movie?

51:06 Is that Is that going to be Is that supposed to be the UFC?

51:10 No, I think 1FC.

51:10 Yeah.

51:12 They did it with

51:14 Yeah.

51:14 I wonder if that's going to be

51:15 Yeah.

51:15 But I mean like the who's the fighter is like my age.

51:18 I'm like yo what's going on here?

51:21 Maybe

51:21 coming back.

51:21 Like Randy Couture won the title in his 40s, you know.

51:24 Yeah, man.

51:25 One has some wild striking fights, man.

51:28 Some of the absolute best standup fights in the world are happening on one.

51:32 I watch it all the time.

51:33 I never know when that shit's on.

51:35 When is that on?

51:35 Where are you watching?

51:36 There's this[ __] cat out of Dagistan.

51:38 Do you guys know who I'm talking about?

51:39 Asodoula Imangazalv.

51:42 Bro, this dude is uh I think he's 135 lbs.

51:47 I think that's what he fights at.

51:48 And he's like 6'1 and just a laser beam striker.

51:53 Just[ __] people up.

51:55 Like literally might be the best striker in the world.

51:57 Is it just kickboxing?

51:58 Yeah.

51:58 And he's getting in there with Muay Thai.

52:00 He's getting in there with world Muay Thai champions and KOing them.

52:05 Like threetime world Lupini Muay Thai champions.

52:10 Damn.

52:09 Lupini stadium guys.

52:11 This guy is a[ __] straight killer, dude.

52:13 And he's from Dagistan and he can wrestle.

52:17 Damn.

52:17 You gotta Let's see if you can find like a highlight reel

52:19 of his KOs because this is just like Get on YouTube and find

52:23 shot was nasty.

52:23 This I watch this cat every time he fights.

52:26 I just can't.

52:27 He's so[ __] accurate and he's so slick.

52:30 How old is he?

52:31 He's 22.

52:32 Oh, damn.

52:33 Yeah, man.

52:34 I'm telling you, this 22year-old cat from Dagistan

52:37 might be the best striker on earth right now.

52:40 This dude is so impressive.

52:42 And I'm telling you, he's doing this to dudes who are world champions.

52:48 Oh,

52:48 he's taking out world champion kickboxers, world champion Muay Thai fighters.

52:52 They're putting him in there with these[ __] assassins.

52:55 And he he's making them all go night night.

52:57 Oh, damn.

52:59 Oh, bro, you got to see it in real speed like like you see his real movements.

53:03 It's so impressive.

53:04 Is he withhabib and emo?

53:06 I don't know where he's trained in, but he's from Dagistan, bro.

53:10 He looks like Zabit.

53:12 Yes.

53:12 Like a like a little bit more robust Zabit.

53:17 Robust,

53:17 but it's like it's different.

53:18 Like Zabit had more of a you know,

53:20 he had an incredible style, but it was almost like more taekwond do-ish.

53:24 This guy's pure Muay Thai, but he just[ __] people up, man.

53:27 Accurate, too.

53:28 Oh, he's spin spinning heel kicks, everything.

53:30 Knee the body.

53:31 But it's it's the combinations, the way he's throwing them.

53:34 He just finds these openings on people with this precision that you're like,

53:38 "Motherfucker, man." He keeps the pressure on.

53:41 He keeps the pressure on, too.

53:43 He just flatlined folks one after another, flatlining people, man, bro.

53:48 He's very[ __] impressive.

53:50 And again, very impressive against

53:52 world championship caliber Muay Thai fighters.

53:55 These are not scrubs that he's fight.

53:57 Damn.

53:58 And one's putting these fights on all the time.

54:00 And I was trying to tell Dana this.

54:01 I was like, if you guys had like UFC striking,

54:05 do you know how[ __] exciting that would

54:06 be if just Muay Thai with MMA gloves on?

54:09 Well, they should do that.

54:10 They do the BJ now 100%.

54:13 They're missing out on a giant opportunity because how

54:16 many people boo when a fight goes to the ground.

54:18 Boo.

54:19 These guys never go to the ground, right?

54:21 It's just all And kickboxing is so much more brutal than than boxing.

54:25 Way more brutal.

54:26 It just didn't get a fair shake in America.

54:29 It's not that it's not exciting.

54:30 It's the most exciting aspect of the UFC other

54:32 than a great submission like Alexa Graco after a knockout.

54:35 That's like the most exciting.

54:37 [laughter]

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55:33 I could People[ __] about Commot.

55:35 I could watch him do that to Draus all day long.

55:38 I don't give a[ __] I That's masterful.

55:42 Masterful.

55:41 Get him off you.

55:43 People like, "Oh, that's a shame." And he doesn't take chances.

55:45 Dude, get He's He's not like He's not trying to beat the[ __] out of him.

55:48 He's getting him tied up and he's

55:50 beating him up and he's just he's working him over.

55:52 I mean, what do you want him to stand up in the in a crucifix?

55:55 Like, what are you talking about here?

55:57 Yeah.

55:57 I mean, that's Drius' problem.

55:58 Like, Drius need to get them.

55:59 Yeah.

56:00 Yeah.

56:00 100%.

56:00 And I don't I don't believe in standups at all.

56:02 Period.

56:03 I think the only time you should stand up is someone fouls.

56:06 If someone does a foul and then you have to stand it up,

56:08 take a point away from them, maybe then you stand them up.

56:11 Yeah.

56:11 Like you can't you shouldn't reward a guy for having like[ __] defense.

56:15 If the dude on the bottom is the one that failed, put them back where they were.

56:19 Don't reward.

56:19 [laughter] Right.

56:21 Right.

56:21 Right.

56:21 Yeah.

56:22 Definitely.

56:23 But other than that, why are you letting people stand up?

56:25 Why?

56:26 Guy had to work so hard to get him to the ground.

56:28 Maybe he's taking a break for a couple seconds to catch his breath.

56:31 Yeah.

56:31 You know, like what the[ __] do you want?

56:33 Like figure out how to get up.

56:36 Yeah.

56:35 Bottom people just have to be better.

56:37 Also, you know what how to fix that?

56:38 Here's how you fix that.

56:39 Knees to the head to a downed opponent.

56:41 Absolutely.

56:41 Absolutely.

56:42 And then it's like it's all out

56:43 of the wrestlers then wrestlers become super[ __] dangerous.

56:47 Man, Mark Coleman won the Grand Prix

56:49 with that[ __] Didn't you see the smashing machine?

56:52 Did you like the Smashing Machine?

56:53 I did.

56:53 I did.

56:54 It was good.

56:54 I did.

56:55 I thought The Rock was amazing.

56:56 I thought like his acting like like you didn't think it was The Rock, you know?

57:01 I haven't seen it yet.

57:02 You [clears throat] thought it was Mark Kerr?

57:03 Like he even got a forehead thing like he got

57:05 like rubber put on his forehead or whatever the[ __] like Yeah.

57:08 Make him more Neanderthal.

57:10 A little chromagnetic.

57:10 [laughter] Give a little Frankenstein for almost scene by scene.

57:16 It was almost like the same pretty much the same exact thing as the documentary.

57:20 It was really good.

57:20 the documentary.

57:21 It's it takes it's like the same shots, the same story.

57:24 So, if you seen the documentary, which was great.

57:27 Yeah, same.

57:27 Kerr was a great guest.

57:29 I had him in the podcast.

57:30 He was fun.

57:31 It was really he was a really cool guest, you know.

57:33 No kidding.

57:34 Yeah, he was really fun and just a real intelligent like easy to talk to.

57:37 Like, where does he live now?

57:38 Like that's like Arizona,

57:41 bro.

57:41 I saw him in early UFC's when I was a backstage interviewer.

57:46 He submitted Dan Bobish with his chin to his eye.

57:49 I remember that.

57:50 I remember that too.

57:51 That was crazy.

57:52 I remember when he came on the scene.

57:54 Well, the UFC scene when it with the old Ranger Scott needed a face.

58:00 I remember Rip Rules is what we were about to find out.

58:03 [laughter]

58:04 Morty Heinenstein or something like that.

58:06 The crowd.

58:08 I don't know, man.

58:09 My favorite Mark Kerr fight was against Fabio Gel down in Brazil.

58:12 That was crazy.

58:13 That's where he got his name.

58:14 Yeah, man.

58:14 That's that's my[ __]

58:16 man.

58:17 I I was a big Fabio fan and like I mean if you can't have respect

58:21 for that guy after that beating he took

58:23 and he never never[ __] thought about quitting.

58:27 Crazy.

58:27 Yeah.

58:27 Heads and everything.

58:29 Who said yes to that?

58:30 [laughter] Yeah.

58:31 Right.

58:32 Let me put you guys aside.

58:33 Explain physics.

58:35 And now I need to introduce you to steroids.

58:38 [laughter] That was to combine physics and steroids

58:41 and like no you're not fighting Mark Ker.

58:43 Right.

58:43 If [laughter] you look at the time,

58:44 that's when jiu-jitsu still had that mystique about it though.

58:47 True.

58:47 You know, back when they weren't losing,

58:50 but that kind of killed,

58:50 but like that's when like the beginning

58:52 of the end of like the guard started for MMA.

58:55 It was like that cuz like those big wrestlers was just like, "Oh,

58:58 you mean all I got to do is block his hips and head?" Right?

59:02 There was Do you remember when Mario Sperry fought Igor Zenovia?

59:06 Oh, yeah.

59:07 So, Mario Sperry's like one of the first jiu-jitsu black belts to lose in MMA.

59:12 That's right.

59:12 Yes,

59:13 we all thought jiu-jitsu blackwells were invincible, right?

59:16 And Mario Sperry was elite.

59:18 He was a really good black belt.

59:20 And so he fought Zenov and Zenovia stopped him.

59:23 I remember that.

59:24 Yeah.

59:24 And Mario was doing everything right, mounting him correctly,

59:27 doing but then he would just do one

59:28 of those weird like super big bridges and get

59:31 and then his because he had endurance

59:33 and he was able to just withstand his attack.

59:35 He

59:36 he ended up cutting him or something towards the end.

59:38 Yeah.

59:38 Yeah.

59:38 It was a big cut.

59:39 They stopped him from a cut, right?

59:40 Speaking of old school guys, guess who was at the UFC last week?

59:43 Marillo Booster.

59:45 YES, HE WAS he was Jose tapped twice

59:49 in the world title defense made him tapped twice.

59:53 Yeah, he also fought 45 bit.

59:53 He fought Tom Ericson.

59:55 Tom Eric 45.

59:56 Oh yeah.

59:57 I thought I thought beat uh Chuck Liddell too honestly in that fight.

1:00:01 He might have.

1:00:02 Yeah.

1:00:02 Some of the options.

1:00:03 He was he was a bad[ __] He was

1:00:05 really good boxing and insane jiu-jitsu but really good boxing.

1:00:08 one of the first guys from like that Carlson Gracie team along with

1:00:12 good wrestler too like he had good takedowns you know for a jiu-jitsu guy too

1:00:16 but like that's my point he's at the UFC just cornering Jose

1:00:19 Delano and like no one knows who he is and I'm like yo

1:00:23 I need to give a lesson on this guy like he's one

1:00:25 of my favorite fighters of all time but no one knows who he is

1:00:29 that's crazy he's a legend but you know there's

1:00:32 so many people now it's like time just goes on

1:00:35 what a bunch of killers Carlson had back in the Hey man, what a dude.

1:00:40 His school in 96 when all that was going

1:00:44 down when right before Vtor got into labor Carlo Berto.

1:00:50 Yeah there Sergio Cohen.

1:00:53 He had a bunch of beasts man.

1:00:54 And they would we would watch them all train together.

1:00:57 Mario Sperry was telling us a story about uh

1:01:00 how he when he was just starting out in jiu-jitsu,

1:01:02 he uh made his girlfriend sit there and he

1:01:04 just put her in triangle after triangle after triangle.

1:01:06 She [laughter] she kept complaining that's hysterical

1:01:11 watching TV just practicing triangles on his girlfriend.

1:01:14 [laughter] that she

1:01:16 we were lucky to we were talking last night about how fortunate we were to come

1:01:19 up when we did you know and like even back at at Henzo's and you had Henzo

1:01:25 you had Hyen coming through you had Hal

1:01:27 coming through you had Matt you had Ricardo

1:01:29 you had Shawn Alvarez like we just had a ton of killers you know and back then

1:01:35 it was I always joke about the tapout[ __] but

1:01:39 if you saw somebody in an airport in the 90s with a tapout

1:01:42 shirt on you were like where you know where you train [laughter]

1:01:45 Then now then it went to like JC[ __]

1:01:47 pennies which is cool cuz it was except forever 21.

1:01:51 [laughter] Yeah.

1:01:53 But it was pretty wild.

1:01:55 I had [snorts] some tap out charts.

1:01:56 Everybody did.

1:01:58 Right.

1:01:58 Those guys were fun.

1:01:59 Yeah, definitely.

1:02:00 It was a weird time that that time of MMA.

1:02:02 If you go back to like like even when like you and I first met,

1:02:05 it was like when what year was that?

1:02:08 2001 we met.

1:02:09 Crazy.

1:02:10 That's crazy.

1:02:10 cuz you weren't a commentator yet,

1:02:12 but but I fought Kelly Delante and you gave me a nice shout out.

1:02:16 We need more of that jungle jiu-jitsu like Matt Sarah when you buy

1:02:19 AND I'M LIKE, "OH, they show you up."

1:02:22 Yeah, that's funny.

1:02:23 Yeah, that that was that was 2001 cuz I mailed you a shirt

1:02:28 to thank you and then you called the academy and I'm like, "Oh, what's up?"

1:02:31 That was funny, man.

1:02:32 It's crazy.

1:02:33 But jiu-jitsu was so physical then.

1:02:35 Like it was a physical thing.

1:02:37 Now it's so intellectual and like these nerds think they own it.

1:02:40 Autistic kids got jiu-jitsu [laughter] and now they think and now they think

1:02:45 they own it and it's like yo what what are you talking about?

1:02:48 They start talking about technique.

1:02:49 It's like they're talking chess moves.

1:02:51 Yeah.

1:02:52 You don't know the names.

1:02:53 And he's like you don't know that.

1:02:54 It's like dude I know that I like what what's the [laughter] um

1:02:57 what when you're going for the uh they call it the kg guard.

1:03:00 I'm like[ __] man I've been doing that since the 90s man.

1:03:03 At first I'm like what's the you don't know the kg guard?

1:03:05 I'm like then they show it.

1:03:06 I go, "Well, yeah.

1:03:07 I Yeah, I just never called it the[ __] K, [laughter] you know,

1:03:11 but it's funny you bring up Marilla Bamante.

1:03:13 We talked about Fabio Gajelle back then, and I know jiu-jitsu evolved,

1:03:16 but if you take those guys,

1:03:17 you put them in the Abu Dhabi submission uh uh tournament,

1:03:21 you put them in the BJJ, IBJJF,

1:03:23 and you put them in an MMA fight, their jiu-jitsu is the same.

1:03:27 It carries over to all

1:03:29 and and they may not win but they're competitive and they have their own right

1:03:34 have it across the board where

1:03:37 somebody should look to just used to scissoring or just used to legs

1:03:41 you know what I mean that that that can't transfer over.

1:03:45 Here's what[ __] my head up.

1:03:47 If you gun to my head said to me who

1:03:50 do you think has the best jiujitsu in MMA right now?

1:03:55 my head would go Charles Oliver.

1:03:59 I was getting ready my first but Islam Makachev finished him on the ground.

1:04:04 So how can I say that right?

1:04:06 So it[ __] my head up because I'm like

1:04:08 if you think about like a elite expressions of jiu-jitsu

1:04:11 on the ground like one of the most dangerous

1:04:12 guys off his back Olivera Oliver is so dangerous everywhere.

1:04:15 If he gets on top of you you're[ __] I mean,

1:04:17 it was just that Max Holloway's defense is so tight

1:04:21 and he's so tough that he didn't get finished, right?

1:04:24 A lot of dudes would have been out here in that first round.

1:04:26 How crazy it was that he was able to just manhandle him and take him down.

1:04:29 I mean, Max, nobody took Max down like that.

1:04:31 He manhandled him.

1:04:32 It was bananas.

1:04:33 But I think Max is a guy that is like he can fight at 45.

1:04:37 I think it was really hard when he went up to 55 and then went down to 45.

1:04:41 But at 45 in his prime, oh[ __] it was a perfect weight class for him.

1:04:46 When Oliver was fighting at 45, he was killing himself.

1:04:49 Like he fought like he just was fatigued easier.

1:04:52 But then when he went up to 55, then he became Charles Olivera.

1:04:56 You know, it was really all at 55 where he made his mark.

1:04:59 He tried that[ __] though with Ilia.

1:05:00 He did try to take him down and he tried.

1:05:06 He's on another level.

1:05:07 He's on another level.

1:05:09 super wellrounded and people haven't really even seen that yet.

1:05:12 He's on a level where I can't wait for his next fights.

1:05:15 Like when when he's fighting, I'm like, what is he going to do now?

1:05:18 Yeah.

1:05:18 Like how what is because I I think he's getting better.

1:05:21 I think it's not just I think the dude is like their approach to it.

1:05:24 There's a documentary on YouTube with the they're

1:05:27 like talking about how they break down

1:05:29 all their fight camps and what they're doing

1:05:31 and the different stuff that they train in.

1:05:33 Like these dudes are on another level.

1:05:34 I mean, when you think about like if

1:05:36 a fight between like Ilia and Islam were to happen,

1:05:39 like think about like the magnitude

1:05:40 of that of like not only just like star power, but just in terms of skill.

1:05:45 Like breaking that down in terms of skill.

1:05:47 Oh my god.

1:05:47 Like two of the best skilled fighters of all time.

1:05:50 Of all time.

1:05:52 Yeah,

1:05:51 that would be an insane fight.

1:05:53 And I I just really would like it if it happened to be at 55.

1:05:57 Like Iliot 170 is 55 would be better

1:06:01 because Islam at 170 is probably walking around a buck 96 __] jacked.

1:06:07 I think uh Armen should be spoken about too.

1:06:12 Look how he% he had a a pretty good fight with uh

1:06:16 Islam back when he how many years ago when he was like 21.

1:06:18 I mean he was I mean scrambled.

1:06:20 Although I do have to say if uh the scoring was correct I think

1:06:25 I think Olivivera would have beat him

1:06:26 in that fight cuz Olivivera threatened him with submissions

1:06:30 that is true a couple times.

1:06:32 A couple times like that to me is more valuable than holding a guy down.

1:06:36 Did Arman threaten he had an arm choke with him?

1:06:38 Well, no.

1:06:40 He was kind of on the run but he was

1:06:42 kind of on the run more often than we remember.

1:06:45 Like Armen was

1:06:46 Yeah.

1:06:46 In terms of like inside the guard of Oliver.

1:06:49 Yeah.

1:06:49 like he was kind of, you know, he was on the run.

1:06:51 It's dangerous in there, man.

1:06:53 It's not like everybody else's.

1:06:54 Like there's only a few guys like him and

1:06:56 you know, Paul Craig, bro, Paul Craig could latch on a[ __] triangle.

1:07:00 Like that guy has beaten world champions.

1:07:03 You think about it, he beat Jamal, broke his arm.

1:07:05 Jamal, he beat uh

1:07:07 Uncle Stopped him with like one second to go in the third round with a triangle.

1:07:13 Yeah,

1:07:12 he might have one of the best tri What was that one

1:07:15 dude from back in the day that won all his fights by triangle?

1:07:19 Dustin.

1:07:19 Uh, no.

1:07:20 English guy.

1:07:21 Yeah.

1:07:21 Um, I know exactly who you're talking about.

1:07:24 Oh my god, it's gonna drive me nuts.

1:07:25 Little skinny English guy.

1:07:27 He like was all triangles, like 11 triangles in a row.

1:07:29 He had this one move and if he can get

1:07:31 you to the ground and latch his legs around you,

1:07:33 you were[ __] Paul ass.

1:07:36 Paul.

1:07:38 Shout out to Paul Sass.

1:07:40 Yeah, he was a beast.

1:07:41 He get you in that triangle, you're[ __]

1:07:43 And the Fisio Redoom is another one, right?

1:07:47 Yeah.

1:07:46 Yeah.

1:07:46 I mean he was that he triangled Fedor when Fedor was Fedor.

1:07:51 I always tell people if you want to look

1:07:52 at the one of alltime greats in heavyweight.

1:07:54 Don't look at all losses and[ __] Stop right here in the prime.

1:07:58 Who has tapped out more legends than Fabricio Verdoom?

1:08:03 Minotauro [snorts] Fedor.

1:08:05 I mean that is crazy just those two.

1:08:07 Cain Velasquez, right?

1:08:08 That's true.

1:08:09 He's tapped out all the legends.

1:08:12 True.

1:08:12 And they weren't past their prime either.

1:08:14 Fedor was securely in his prime%.

1:08:18 I remember watching that live thinking, "Oh my god,

1:08:21 he ran right into it.

1:08:22 He ran right into that jump into it."

1:08:25 Brilliant.

1:08:25 He his jiu-jitsu was like scary off his back.

1:08:28 Yeah.

1:08:28 Fedor had no respect for the guard.

1:08:30 Just,

1:08:31 you know, was trying to take his head off and just fed it to him.

1:08:35 You can't do that with a guy.

1:08:36 Not a guy like that.

1:08:37 That's a different level.

1:08:39 And plus, he hit Kobe in the head with a boomerang.

1:08:41 Remember that?

1:08:41 [laughter] There's nothing wrong with that.

1:08:44 Give you some points for that as well.

1:08:46 That was my favorite video of all time cuz he hit him

1:08:48 with the boomerang and then the bag and Kobe was reaching out for the bag.

1:08:51 [laughter]

1:08:51 Yeah, you got to give him some points for that, too.

1:08:53 Out of all the people that I thought I

1:08:54 was definitely going to see on the White House lawn.

1:08:56 It was going to be a Kobe Coington fight.

1:08:59 I was like, how is he how did you

1:09:00 not have a Kobe Coington fight at the White House, man?

1:09:03 I don't know.

1:09:04 He's like super supportive of Trump.

1:09:05 Wears Trump hats everywhere

1:09:07 and he's not a fight.

1:09:08 They didn't get him hooked up.

1:09:08 They didn't hook him up.

1:09:09 I don't know.

1:09:10 How did that not happen?

1:09:11 Bo Nickel wanted to fight him.

1:09:13 Yeah, but that's a different weight class.

1:09:15 Bo Nickel's a big dude.

1:09:16 He's

1:09:17 He's a 85.

1:09:21 Yeah,

1:09:20 that's a You know, Kobe's not a big 70.

1:09:23 Is he a great size for Yeah.

1:09:26 No, I don't match him.

1:09:29 Yeah, that's going to be interesting.

1:09:30 Yeah, I think Chris a little big for him for I think that should go well for

1:09:34 Who is Wee fighting next?

1:09:37 Brady.

1:09:37 Sean Brady.

1:09:38 Sean Brady.

1:09:38 Is that in Miami?

1:09:39 No, that's

1:09:40 No, that's in uh in Jersey, right?

1:09:41 Yeah, that's right.

1:09:42 I'll be on Philly next week with Brady.

1:09:44 Shout out

1:09:45 is on a tear until tomorrow got a hold of Shout out to Brady.

1:09:49 One of his shirts

1:09:50 out of the two guys that are like

1:09:52 most worthy for a shot at the welterweight title.

1:09:54 I mean, you you got to think Ian Gary,

1:09:57 but you also got to think Camaro because he

1:10:00 doesn't have much time left and he's a legend, right?

1:10:03 One of the greatest welterweights of all time.

1:10:05 And then he just beats Wim Buckley like that.

1:10:08 I mean like walking[ __] monster.

1:10:11 Buckley was on the fast rise to

1:10:14 Wonderboy.

1:10:15 That Wonder Boy beat the[ __] out of Kobe.

1:10:17 Yeah.

1:10:17 Beat the[ __] out of Kobe, bro.

1:10:18 Beat the[ __] out of him.

1:10:19 Walk doesn't get tired either, which is crazy.

1:10:21 Like you look at his physique.

1:10:23 Yeah.

1:10:23 That guy's got to get out.

1:10:25 He just his he keeps that gas going for three[ __] rounds.

1:10:29 Full clip.

1:10:30 Yeah.

1:10:30 Believe me, I know.

1:10:31 I've been watching him, right?

1:10:33 Been watching him for months now.

1:10:35 No.

1:10:35 Sean Brady, I think.

1:10:36 Uh that's

1:10:37 old turtle shell.

1:10:39 Yeah.

1:10:39 Yeah.

1:10:39 [laughter] That back of his is [clears throat] so preposterous.

1:10:43 And he's staying at that weight, right?

1:10:45 Yeah.

1:10:45 He's not going down.

1:10:49 Yeah.

1:10:47 What about and uh Jerry this weekend?

1:10:51 You know what, man?

1:10:53 If you if you're looking at it on paper,

1:10:55 if you like if you just watch their movements, Old Berg is really fast.

1:10:59 He's really accurate.

1:11:01 Um, and he's slick and he's a big tall[ __] with great skills.

1:11:07 Yuri creates chaos.

1:11:11 Yes.

1:11:11 And in that chaos, you don't know exactly how someone's

1:11:14 going to respond when the guy's still there when you crack

1:11:16 him and he's all over you and he's doing wild[ __]

1:11:18 He's got a[ __] ponytail at the top of his head.

1:11:21 He's a maniac, but he's not faking it.

1:11:24 Oh, no.

1:11:24 He believes everything he says.

1:11:26 That dude, that's how that dude really lives.

1:11:29 Like, he really does hit trees in the woods.

1:11:31 He goes out there with a makiwara.

1:11:32 His[ __] [laughter] He does all the hard style Japanese[ __]

1:11:36 and you know he spends time in the woods by himself alone.

1:11:40 He does uh he swims under the ice.

1:11:42 He does the

1:11:43 I saw that.

1:11:43 I actually saw a video.

1:11:44 I go, "Fuck that dude."

1:11:47 I mean, you have to find where the hole is and you got to come back.

1:11:50 We had some people in there, too, just in case.

1:11:52 Isn't that crazy?

1:11:54 Listen, man.

1:11:54 Just look at that dude.

1:11:55 His ancestors came over on a boat [laughter] with a skull on it

1:12:00 and they had[ __] swords and they

1:12:02 hopped off and started slicing [laughter] people.

1:12:05 That dude is a[ __] Viking.

1:12:07 Whatever he is that war those warrior jeans like

1:12:10 that's in that that dude takes you to hell.

1:12:13 He takes He just can't do it with Alex.

1:12:15 He guts his way.

1:12:16 That's it.

1:12:16 That style just doesn't work with Pereira.

1:12:19 I'm wondering does he walk into one here cuz he's going to get hit.

1:12:23 Khalil beat the living[ __] out of him for two rounds and then

1:12:28 ran out of gas.

1:12:29 Oberg's a big guy, too.

1:12:30 Khalil's not a big, you know, if you look if you look at him in comparison

1:12:34 to some of the other guys in that weight class.

1:12:36 He could make 85.

1:12:38 Here's here's one that people are sleeping on.

1:12:40 Moff.

1:12:43 Yeah, you think I'm leaning Paulo's Paulo's way.

1:12:46 You almost sold me on that yesterday, but Merov manated.

1:12:51 Undefeated.

1:12:51 Let me tell you 37 and fought nobody.

1:12:54 I'm riding it.

1:12:55 [laughter] True.

1:12:56 He put He put Rockish to sleep though.

1:12:59 He put Rockish to sleep in the first round, dude.

1:13:01 He's slick.

1:13:02 I He does[ __] in there.

1:13:03 I'm like, you know, he calls himself the professional.

1:13:06 And it's like he seems like a hitman.

1:13:08 Like some Russian hitman you hire that comes to[ __] kill people.

1:13:11 He believes in his power.

1:13:12 That's a fact.

1:13:13 It's not just his power, man.

1:13:14 It's his skills.

1:13:15 When I look at him, I'm like, this is a smart guy.

1:13:17 Like he moves like a smart guy.

1:13:20 Everything's calculated.

1:13:21 Everything's technical.

1:13:22 He's really hard to hit clean.

1:13:24 He's a He's a slick character.

1:13:26 And he does[ __] too, like he overreaches, but he overreaches,

1:13:29 I think, on purpose to get reads off you.

1:13:31 If he senses the guy's moving away,

1:13:33 he'll he'll come in with big shots that he doesn't in to try

1:13:36 to get a get you to react and then counter like that.

1:13:39 That right hook that he hit him with, it was almost like a jab.

1:13:41 Yeah.

1:13:42 That he dropped Rockage with just saw the saw

1:13:45 this movement that Rockic kept doing over and over again.

1:13:48 Bang.

1:13:48 Yeah.

1:13:49 Came in with like a straight right jab.

1:13:51 Almost like a hook jab.

1:13:53 Paul's got a chin.

1:13:54 Look at that.

1:13:54 Watch that again.

1:13:56 Look how slick this is.

1:13:58 Boom.

1:13:59 Just He's a killer, man.

1:14:01 We don't know what Paul Costa is going to look like at 205, though.

1:14:03 He's never fought it that way.

1:14:04 Well, didn't he once when he didn't make weight for 85 against Marvin Vtori?

1:14:09 Yeah.

1:14:09 Yeah.

1:14:09 He forced Marvin Vtori.

1:14:10 He was like, "No, this fight is at 205 now."

1:14:13 Izzy [laughter] Izzy[ __] his mind up.

1:14:15 I think

1:14:16 he definitely did.

1:14:16 I mean he but he looked the best he's looked his last fight.

1:14:19 Like he cop he just ran through him.

1:14:22 Dude, you go back to when he was when he

1:14:23 was walking people down like walked down yo Romero Paul.

1:14:27 He was a berserker.

1:14:28 I remember when he saluted Paul uh Yo Romero in the middle of the fight.

1:14:31 That's my favorite part.

1:14:32 That was a great fight.

1:14:33 It was a good fight.

1:14:34 It

1:14:34 was a great fight.

1:14:35 But nobody walks down Yo Romero like that.

1:14:37 I'm kidding.

1:14:37 There's that photo that one photo of him headkicking Yo and Yo's face

1:14:41 is like all distorted and you're like how did he take that shot?

1:14:45 This his neck.

1:14:48 You know, his neck is fused.

1:14:50 Yeah.

1:14:50 That's what I'm saying.

1:14:50 Yeah.

1:14:51 It's all one thing.

1:14:52 It doesn't move.

1:14:52 It's connected to his skull.

1:14:54 That's crazy.

1:14:55 [laughter] Yeah.

1:14:56 Isn't that nuts?

1:14:57 He's [clears throat] sending these comments.

1:14:58 Look at that.

1:14:58 Look at that photo, bro.

1:14:59 That That photo is bonkers.

1:15:01 Imagine how tough you got to be to be Yoel Romero and

1:15:06 take that to the head when you know your neck

1:15:09 has been through an insane operation where you have metal

1:15:14 connecting the[ __] spine of your neck to your head.

1:15:17 Sorry.

1:15:17 They implanted monster traps to hold his hand at the same time.

1:15:21 They were like he's a such a freak athletic freak.

1:15:25 And you see he just fought bare knuckles

1:15:27 at 49 and a lot of people disputed the decision.

1:15:30 They thought he should have won.

1:15:31 Yeah,

1:15:33 in Russia.

1:15:34 Yeah.

1:15:34 I don't [laughter]

1:15:35 Yo, Romero in Russia.

1:15:37 I don't know how he does it.

1:15:38 He looks great.

1:15:39 Yeah.

1:15:40 I don't know how he does it.

1:15:41 If you told me he was 32, I believe.

1:15:42 Yeah.

1:15:42 He's RA did RAF as well.

1:15:46 Yeah.

1:15:46 Yeah.

1:15:47 Yeah.

1:15:47 Yeah.

1:15:48 Who Who did he beat?

1:15:48 Pat Downey.

1:15:49 Pat.

1:15:50 And then he came back and he came back and he [clears throat] lost the next one.

1:15:53 Yeah.

1:15:53 But he was wrestled a legit thing.

1:15:56 Dude, the guy that I'm most impressed with in that is Armen.

1:16:00 Oh, I can't believe how good he is as a wrestler.

1:16:04 Yeah.

1:16:03 Who's the dude he tech?

1:16:06 No, no, no.

1:16:07 The the Lance.

1:16:09 Oh, Lance Palmer.

1:16:10 That's Lance Palmer,

1:16:11 bro.

1:16:12 Lance Palmer is a legit wrestler for sure.

1:16:14 And Lance was like, "Oh, he's never wrestled at my level.

1:16:17 He's never wrestled guys at my level." Arman goes up there.

1:16:19 Tech falls.

1:16:20 Bro, Armani did better.

1:16:23 Yeah.

1:16:22 But even Giorgio, like you watch those videos that he does

1:16:25 when he does like $100 TV or whatever, whatever it is.

1:16:29 Yeah.

1:16:29 He Armen is a[ __] bad man, dude.

1:16:32 He's a bad man.

1:16:33 I know it.

1:16:34 Yeah.

1:16:34 If you wanted to fight for Ilia at 55, that's a very interesting fight.

1:16:39 100% very interesting fight

1:16:41 cuz he's hard to hit.

1:16:42 He's very slick and technical.

1:16:44 Super flexible.

1:16:45 Like you ever seen those weird like mobility exercises

1:16:48 he does with twists and[ __] with crazy bridges.

1:16:52 Crazy flexibility.

1:16:54 He's definitely in his prime, man.

1:16:55 He can't waste his life away right now.

1:16:57 Stop headbutting people.

1:16:58 doing the right thing because you are

1:17:00 in your prime right now and it doesn't last forever.

1:17:02 He probably already he might already be champ if he could

1:17:04 keep it together outside of the you [clears throat] know what I

1:17:07 mean like if the who knows what would have happened in the Oliver

1:17:10 fight it was a proper fight a five rounder you know

1:17:13 he's staying busy though it's not like he's on the couch you know what I mean

1:17:17 he's doing those videos with he put Mo I have to sleep

1:17:20 a couple weeks ago yeah that was a little too much that was a lot yeah 125

1:17:25 yeah [laughter] but like he kept it I whenever they keep

1:17:28 it on when the guy's already sleeping for too long

1:17:29 it's like yo what are you what's going on here

1:17:31 you know he you got to know he's out.

1:17:33 The[ __] happening?

1:17:34 Maybe some unkind words were exchanged.

1:17:36 That's kind of my fault process.

1:17:38 I'm sure that happened.

1:17:40 Is a hotthead, right?

1:17:42 You've been known to say something.

1:17:43 What did he get kicked out of the UFC for?

1:17:44 What happened with him?

1:17:46 I heard he was just like mean to people.

1:17:48 Like mean to the staff.

1:17:49 That's what I heard.

1:17:50 He was just like mean to the staff.

1:17:51 Yo, I wasn't even talking I was talking about when he did it to a streamer.

1:17:54 I'm not talking about that fight.

1:17:55 Oh, we're talking about a No, no, no.

1:17:57 I'm talking about him doing it to like

1:17:58 just putting a somebody to sleep of his friends.

1:18:02 The guys with his other I don't think I saw it.

1:18:04 It was him on a couch and he put the guy to sleep.

1:18:07 This is a regular Joe.

1:18:08 Armen did this.

1:18:09 Yeah, man.

1:18:10 Jamie.

1:18:11 No, no, no.

1:18:11 [laughter] Sorry, Jamie.

1:18:13 Jamie, but uh yo yo, he put him to sleep and he held that[ __] on for an extra

1:18:19 how too many seconds.

1:18:21 Look at this.

1:18:21 Watch this.

1:18:23 Oh,

1:18:23 no.

1:18:23 No, I'm telling you.

1:18:24 Do you tell me if you think it's too long?

1:18:26 That guy's neck makes me sad.

1:18:28 But now look to know that he's going to do that to him.

1:18:31 Now look to see this

1:18:35 now.

1:18:35 Ready?

1:18:36 Let's see.

1:18:37 Now he's out, right?

1:18:39 He lasted a long time.

1:18:41 Yo, man.

1:18:42 What are you doing?

1:18:42 What the[ __] He's out already.

1:18:44 I mean, for how long?

1:18:45 That's really crazy.

1:18:45 Been out.

1:18:47 That's really [laughter] You ought to kill him.

1:18:49 That's really crazy.

1:18:50 Yeah, that was uh that's so unnecessary.

1:18:52 That's what I'm saying, man.

1:18:53 What the[ __] Yeah, that's that's a lot worse than I thought it was going to be.

1:18:57 Yeah.

1:18:57 Sorry, guys.

1:18:57 I hate to bring the room down, but on the news [laughter] that's the crazy

1:19:00 thing is Armen knows he was out right away.

1:19:02 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

1:19:03 No,

1:19:04 also that guy's neck looks like it's never been choked.

1:19:06 [laughter] I felt sad for what he was going to do to it when I saw his neck.

1:19:10 His neck is making me feel sad cuz I know that's going to hurt.

1:19:13 That[ __] gorilla, that dude's got a clamp on him, man.

1:19:17 Little[ __] is having soup for a week after that.

1:19:19 [laughter]

1:19:19 Yeah, right.

1:19:20 What's the problem?

1:19:21 Arman's[ __] grip is so incredible, man.

1:19:24 I'm just very impressed with him, man.

1:19:26 Very impressed with his grappling.

1:19:27 I just wish he could keep it together.

1:19:29 Yeah.

1:19:29 I mean, he I mean, his striking is not bad neither.

1:19:31 Like, he His first fight with Islam was very close.

1:19:34 Very close.

1:19:35 First fight in the UFC.

1:19:36 I don't even [clears throat] think he got a full camp.

1:19:38 Probably not.

1:19:39 I don't I think it was a short notice fight and he fought very well.

1:19:42 You know, he's he's at the it's just like crazy

1:19:45 that fuckups have kept him from being at the time.

1:19:48 The the missing the title fight was the big one.

1:19:49 Yeah, that was the craziest one.

1:19:51 Like his back hurt the day before.

1:19:53 Like come on.

1:19:54 It's crazy.

1:19:55 And you make Hannato Moonnell go out there

1:19:57 and you know not and not having prepared for him.

1:20:01 Moonnell looked good against Duncan.

1:20:05 Money jab on him.Oop.

1:20:07 I like when he gets on that mic, too.

1:20:08 He starts talking[ __] [laughter] Awesome.

1:20:11 He I wish he would have started talking[ __] even earlier.

1:20:13 Like I always liked the guy, but he's[ __] hilarious.

1:20:15 He might be the best in the business right now.

1:20:17 He's funny, man.

1:20:18 He's not getting enough mic time.

1:20:19 He needs mic time when he gets on the mic time.

1:20:23 Money[ __] boy.

1:20:25 It's hysterical.

1:20:25 [laughter]

1:20:26 They're podcasts.

1:20:26 He's good.

1:20:27 You know, he's good on there with him.

1:20:28 And I think Gilbert, you know, they all[ __][ __]

1:20:31 Well, that was the thing.

1:20:31 He's he's doing some streams on in he's doing them in English and in Portuguese,

1:20:35 but the Portuguese is doing better for him.

1:20:37 Okay.

1:20:38 And he's like, I'm making money off YouTube now.

1:20:40 Like, so I don't care anymore.

1:20:42 I I'm I have my money.

1:20:43 Like, I have a a big stream of revenue coming in from YouTube.

1:20:46 Subscribe to my channel,[ __] baby,[ __] [laughter] He's a character.

1:20:52 You need that.

1:20:52 You need some personalities in there.

1:20:54 __] yeah.

1:20:54 He's good, too.

1:20:55 Remember like his his fight with uh Benois Sanden.

1:20:59 Oh yeah, merked him, right?

1:21:02 Sandine is on his way to a potential future title shop.

1:21:05 That win looks real good.

1:21:06 Real good.

1:21:08 You can't judge him on that short notice of[ __] I know.

1:21:10 What do you guys think of uh Hookit's[ __]

1:21:13 He's so fun.

1:21:14 You think it's fun?

1:21:15 I think it's funny.

1:21:16 I Man, I don't get it, man.

1:21:17 I don't get it.

1:21:18 [laughter] I don't get it.

1:21:19 What are you talking about?

1:21:21 People are talking[ __] It's not It's not witty.

1:21:24 It's like It ain't funny.

1:21:26 It ain't witty.

1:21:26 It looks like he's trying too hard.

1:21:28 Exactly.

1:21:28 I love it.

1:21:29 No, [laughter] I don't get it.

1:21:30 He's like a pro wrestler.

1:21:31 It's like pro wrestling smart dude, bro.

1:21:33 You talk to that guy, he's a smart dude.

1:21:35 He knows what he's doing.

1:21:36 He's being a goof.

1:21:37 And here's the thing about people that act really goofy and stupid.

1:21:40 You kind of you[ __] that guy ain't[ __] Like they can trick you.

1:21:45 They can trick you.

1:21:46 You think he's gonna beat Curtis?

1:21:47 I don't know, man.

1:21:48 Curtis is a lot.

1:21:49 You know, it's a big this early in his career.

1:21:51 Curtis has a lot of power.

1:21:53 He's a big[ __] He's going to be a better wrestler.

1:21:55 Probably

1:21:55 got a lot of MMA experience, but Hook's a hard dude to solve.

1:21:59 He's a really good wrestler and he's[ __]

1:22:01 hyperaggressive and he's got definitely uh he's fast.

1:22:06 He's athletic.

1:22:07 He's he's a one of the guys that I have my eye on.

1:22:09 You think he can make 205 or you

1:22:11 think he's should I mean well heavyweight's light so

1:22:14 perhaps

1:22:14 maybe stay there but really we're just waiting for Gable.

1:22:18 Yeah.

1:22:18 Yeah.

1:22:19 We're he's getting Romanov I think is wrestling him and

1:22:23 I would not let him do that.

1:22:24 I'd be like what if you blow your ACL out?

1:22:26 What are you crazy?

1:22:26 Why are you doing this?

1:22:27 You're going to be the heavyweight champion of the UFC.

1:22:29 They got to be paying and Romanov's a big dude, man.

1:22:32 Yeah.

1:22:33 I mean, look, I think G I think he'll be fine.

1:22:35 But

1:22:36 when you think of guys that are like a Mike Tyson in MMA,

1:22:40 like when Mike Tyson was coming up,

1:22:42 that's what I what I think of when I see him.

1:22:43 Yeah.

1:22:44 I'm like, how do you deal with that?

1:22:45 How the[ __] do you deal with that?

1:22:46 He moves like a cat.

1:22:47 He's 240 lbs, Olympic gold medalist, and he can KO you.

1:22:52 Smart ass guy in his corner.

1:22:53 And he's got Jon Jones as a mentor.

1:22:55 Are you[ __] crazy?

1:22:56 Fight IQ.

1:22:57 John's, you know, he's one of the smartest guys.

1:23:00 Yeah.

1:23:00 You got that guy in your corner and everybody saying, I mean,

1:23:03 he's one of the only guys that isn't even

1:23:05 in the UFC yet that I had him on my podcast.

1:23:08 I was like, I got to talk.

1:23:09 I mean, he's accomplished, I think, enough anyway.

1:23:11 He's already a[ __] Olympic gold medalist, NCAA champion.

1:23:15 Got to be mid20s.

1:23:17 Oh, he's young.

1:23:17 He's young.

1:23:18 And he they're doing it smart, you know.

1:23:20 They gave him um one of those uh what do they call?

1:23:22 Dirty boxing.

1:23:23 Dirty boxing fight.

1:23:24 The one where he jumped.

1:23:25 Dude, did you see he jumped over

1:23:26 jumped over the rope like it was nothing landed on?

1:23:28 It was pretty sick.

1:23:29 He jumped.

1:23:30 Just stood there and leapt over the ropes after he won and land like the

1:23:37 dude [laughter] after he would when he

1:23:39 went he won the NCAA championships like he

1:23:41 can do like roundoffs and like the[ __]

1:23:44 like literally boom boom boom like a gymnast.

1:23:46 It's[ __] crazy.

1:23:47 And I guarantee you that attribute that's we attribute

1:23:50 to the speed that he has and covering distance.

1:23:53 He's dangerous, man.

1:23:55 Watch this.

1:23:55 Watch when he goes over this rope.

1:23:56 This is crazy.

1:23:59 Damn.

1:23:59 BJ pinch jump up and out of the pool right there.

1:24:01 [laughter]

1:24:02 I mean, that is crazy.

1:24:03 But he just he just stuck the landing and started twerking

1:24:07 effortlessly.

1:24:08 He's a monster, dude.

1:24:09 Real hard problem for people.

1:24:11 Anybody wrestled named Gable?

1:24:12 You better[ __] be good.

1:24:14 Yeah.

1:24:14 And named after Dan Gable.

1:24:16 After Dan Gable.

1:24:17 Damn.

1:24:17 So, he's been wrestling since he's a toddler.

1:24:20 and he's just such a[ __] athlete and so smart.

1:24:23 Just dedicated.

1:24:25 They're doing it smart, too.

1:24:26 They're not just jumping him into the UFC right away.

1:24:28 He's getting famous outside the UFC that way.

1:24:33 Yeah.

1:24:33 You try to bring him along as much as you can.

1:24:36 Yeah.

1:24:36 __] your 10 and 10.

1:24:37 Come on, son.

1:24:38 Well, when they sign him,

1:24:39 they got to get they're going to give him more than that struck.

1:24:42 But the thing is, you don't

1:24:42 __] he ain't getting that.

1:24:43 Some people are of the opinion that you don't want to give

1:24:45 a young fighter too much money early because it'll ruin their motivation.

1:24:50 So, I mean, there's truth in that.

1:24:51 But, I mean, it's not Who's that for you to say, though?

1:24:53 You know what I'm saying?

1:24:54 Like, I want my money.

1:24:56 Exactly.

1:24:55 Yeah.

1:24:56 You don't get to determine that.

1:24:57 I want my money.

1:24:58 Guess what?

1:24:58 I think the cream will still rise to the top.

1:25:00 I think the guys that are dedicated that have

1:25:02 a lot like Floyd Mayweather when he was worth hundreds

1:25:04 of millions of dollars would still never drink and run

1:25:07 home from the club instead of people driving his Rolls-Royce.

1:25:11 He's running behind it.

1:25:13 Yeah.

1:25:13 I mean, look at look at Armen, man.

1:25:14 That guy's got money.

1:25:15 He doesn't give a[ __]

1:25:16 He's got a private jet.

1:25:17 Yeah.

1:25:17 He's just Armen's got a private jet.

1:25:19 At least he's always on a private jet.

1:25:20 Seems like he knows it.

1:25:22 Jesus.

1:25:22 Yeah, I think he's got some cash in.

1:25:23 His family has like tons of money.

1:25:25 Yeah, but he still has a desire to be the best.

1:25:27 Yeah.

1:25:28 You know what I mean?

1:25:28 It's either in you or it's not with that.

1:25:30 You know, maybe that's why he can't get his attitude together, too.

1:25:34 You know, perhaps, right?

1:25:35 He doesn't need it.

1:25:36 A bit spoiled in that way, right?

1:25:39 Yeah.

1:25:39 Who's disciplining him?

1:25:40 You know what I mean?

1:25:40 He runs his town, I'm sure.

1:25:42 What do you guys think about Hamzot and Strickland?

1:25:45 I I Well, let me tell you,

1:25:48 this comes down this comes down to Strickland's motivation.

1:25:51 Well, I mean, you got to be[ __] motivated.

1:25:54 How many more shots you get?

1:25:55 Yeah, but I mean, he's worked with him before.

1:25:58 I mean, they I know they say that K's out submitted him,

1:26:00 but if you hear Strickland talk about it,

1:26:02 they were doing like additional rounds when you're starting on the back.

1:26:06 Started on his back.

1:26:06 I mean, come on.

1:26:07 But I think when they moved around, I think he feels pretty confident with it.

1:26:11 He's a hard guy to keep down, Sean.

1:26:13 Yeah.

1:26:13 And uh who made who made Kamzot look human?

1:26:17 Gilbert Burns, Kamar Usman.

1:26:20 I mean, they made him look human, you know.

1:26:22 And Draus again, not you don't want to see that rematch, but

1:26:27 in the fifth, but in that fifth round,

1:26:30 he he did get into some decent positions.

1:26:32 He just got reversed right away.

1:26:33 I mean, Sean, if there's any bit of blood in the water, he's[ __] a finisher.

1:26:38 He's, you know what I mean?

1:26:38 He'll stay on him if he's hurt at all.

1:26:41 He's durable.

1:26:42 I mean, and everybody's saying how underrated his grappling is,

1:26:45 the guys that are working with him.

1:26:46 So, I I mean, it's that's all I've heard, too.

1:26:48 And he's so hard to hit, man.

1:26:51 He's got a weird style.

1:26:52 It's very weird.

1:26:53 It[ __] you up.

1:26:54 And he's really good at moving back away from shots.

1:26:58 All the hands are in your face, too.

1:27:00 He also throws like looping shots on purpose sometimes.

1:27:03 Like, you would think it's bad technique, but he's like finding a way around

1:27:07 your guard and he's catching you with weird stuff.

1:27:10 And his[ __] jab is on point.

1:27:11 Was you Did you Were you at the Was you calling that one?

1:27:14 No, I was there for that.

1:27:16 And you could hear it.

1:27:17 Like you don't always hear that.

1:27:19 You could hear the thud in his jab when Fluffy was blocking him and it was hard.

1:27:25 He was mixing his kicks in there.

1:27:26 Well, he's going to have to watch that.

1:27:28 He wasn't getting hit, man.

1:27:29 The thing about him, if you if you watch him when he's on point,

1:27:32 he's so[ __] hard to hit.

1:27:35 He just[ __] up with Alex.

1:27:36 You just can't make any mistakes.

1:27:38 It seems like everybody[ __] up with Alex.

1:27:40 Yeah, he's he's [laughter] a freak.

1:27:41 Yeah, he doesn't negotiate with you.

1:27:43 He's just like, "You[ __] up, it's over."

1:27:44 Do you do you think that um I

1:27:47 do you think that translates to heavyweight with gone?

1:27:51 I don't think so.

1:27:51 I don't I think Gan is a little bit too I think Gon would decision him.

1:27:57 Good chance of[ __] dancing and and jabbing his way to victory.

1:28:01 But that's what I'm saying.

1:28:01 Like Scott is Gon is going to like put

1:28:04 him I think Alex will[ __] could put him out.

1:28:07 Here's one thing.

1:28:08 Ghan hasn't been 185 pounds since he was 12, right?

1:28:12 Yeah.

1:28:11 I mean, that's a big heavyweight, athletic, moves like a cat,

1:28:16 and he's got world class striking skills, man.

1:28:18 That Tom Aspenol fight, that first round opened up a lot of eyes.

1:28:22 Like, he looked[ __] good, man.

1:28:24 It opened eyes.

1:28:25 All right.

1:28:26 Opened up[ __] [laughter] Tom's eyes.

1:28:28 Hey, dude.

1:28:28 I feel bad for Tom, man, because

1:28:31 talk about a guy that got the[ __] end of the stick,

1:28:35 knuckle deep in his[ __] eyes.

1:28:36 two surgeries and everybody's like, "Ah, walk it off by a poor [laughter] guy."

1:28:41 Really was.

1:28:42 I just think that was handled poorly right after the fact.

1:28:45 You know, I think you have to address right after the fact that you

1:28:48 have to probably tell people like what

1:28:50 kind of injuries can be sustained from this.

1:28:51 They're permanent.

1:28:52 Look at Michael Bisping.

1:28:54 Still can't see out of his right eye.

1:28:56 You can't you can't just have a guy go back into a fight when he can't see.

1:28:59 It's crazy.

1:29:00 It's crazy to ask.

1:29:01 The guy's eyes been injured.

1:29:02 If he gets hit again, it could rupture.

1:29:04 Who knows?

1:29:05 So, who knows what kind of damage you have back there.

1:29:06 So, who do you think was irrespons like getting his back on it?

1:29:19 [sighs]

1:29:20 Uh, if I was doing a press conference afterwards,

1:29:24 what I would emphasize first and foremost is how dangerous eye pokes are.

1:29:28 Yeah.

1:29:28 But I think we've neglected some simple solutions, you know,

1:29:32 and I think there's there's got to be a solution that we

1:29:36 use to stop these[ __] fingers from going into people's eyes.

1:29:39 Point deduction right away.

1:29:40 Point deduction is the easiest.

1:29:42 One eye you touch someone's eyeball with your fingers,

1:29:45 unless it's complete scramble.

1:29:47 You're doing this, his head happens to be there.

1:29:50 Yeah.

1:29:50 But if you're doing this when a guy's coming in and your fingers go in his eyes,

1:29:53 one point every[ __] time.

1:29:54 Every[ __] time.

1:29:56 No, no judges discretion.

1:29:58 No, you know, no referee's discretion.

1:30:00 Poke in the eye.

1:30:01 Ow.

1:30:01 One point.

1:30:02 Did Did you ever ask Dana about the pride gloves?

1:30:05 What happened to him?

1:30:06 I did.

1:30:07 Um, you know, I don't

1:30:08 They should have owned that.

1:30:09 I don't remember the tech, right?

1:30:10 That's good.

1:30:11 The best stuff is Trevor Whitman, right?

1:30:13 Just pay the man a little bit of money.

1:30:15 I was trying to broker something and I might still be able

1:30:17 to do that to try to figure out a way to just like th those gloves are perfect.

1:30:23 The knuckles curve over.

1:30:24 Your hands are in this position.

1:30:26 It does not impede your grappling.

1:30:27 It's easy to do that if you want to, but the natural position is like this.

1:30:31 So, if you're doing this, it's because you wanted to do that.

1:30:35 It's not like the gloves are forcing your hand

1:30:36 open like a lot of people complain about now.

1:30:40 Mad scientist.

1:30:41 Here's the mad scientist.

1:30:42 Cover the tips of the fingers.

1:30:43 You don't use them anyway.

1:30:46 True.

1:30:45 Nobody does this, right?

1:30:46 So, if you don't if you're always grappling like this, right?

1:30:49 So, cover it with like a mitten.

1:30:51 Yeah.

1:30:51 Little mittens.

1:30:52 like a leather [laughter] with a leather top like a nice little

1:30:56 so it's your thumbs are free so you