US military support for Israel in doubt | DW News

US military support for Israel in doubt | DW News

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0:00 Why would America's key ally in the Middle East say thanks,

0:03 but no thanks, to billions of dollars in military aid?

0:07 Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is proposing

0:09 weaning Israel's military off US tax dollars.

0:12 That despite years of insecurity and conflict in the Middle East.

0:16 So, what's driving this shift?

0:17 And can Israel really stand on its own?

0:20 Those are the questions we'll explore with Bradley Bowman.

0:23 He's senior director of the Center on Military

0:25 and Political Power at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

0:29 He joins us now from Washington D.C.

0:31 So, thanks for being with us, Bradley.

0:34 Thank you very much.

0:35 Appreciate the opportunity.

0:37 All right, before we get into it, let's take a look at what Netanyahu

0:39 said on US television news program 60 Minutes.

0:43 He was asked if Israel would possibly

0:44 reset its financial relationship to the United States.

0:48 This was his answer.

0:51 He said, "I want to draw down to zero

0:54 the American financial component of the military cooperation that we have,

0:58 because we receive $3.8 billion a year,

1:01 and I think that it's time that we weaned ourselves

1:04 from the remaining military support." Netanyahu also provided a timetable.

1:09 He said, "Let's start now and do it over the next decade,

1:12 over the next 10 years, but I want to start now.

1:15 I don't want to wait for the next Congress.

1:17 I want to start now." So, Bradley,

1:21 this is not the first time Netanyahu has said he

1:23 wants Israel to end its dependence on US military aid.

1:27 So, is this a genuine strategic shift?

1:31 You know, I think this is a significant strategic moment

1:34 in the bilateral relationship between the United States and Israel.

1:37 You know, I worked these issues as a senior staff in the Senate for many years,

1:41 and it's been a focus in my at the current research institute where I work.

1:45 And I think when you look at this, it's

1:46 important to make sure that viewers have a common vocabulary.

1:50 Uh he's talk- what he's talking about there is foreign military financing,

1:53 or as we say in the United States, FMF, foreign military financing.

1:57 And we're currently under a memorandum of understanding that was

2:00 signed in September 2016 that covers fiscal years 2019 to 2028.

2:06 So, we're approaching the end of that 10-year window, and as he said,

2:10 the United States has provided Israel $3.8 billion per

2:14 year divided between $3.3 billion in foreign military financing,

2:18 FMF, and $500 million for air cooperative air missile defense programs.

2:24 And so, as we've approached the end of that window,

2:26 there's been questions about what comes next and what should come next.

2:30 And all of these discussions are happening

2:32 within the context of evolving political conditions,

2:36 particularly here in the United States, but also in Israel.

2:39 And let's remember that Prime Minister Netanyahu

2:41 is in the midst of a re-election campaign.

2:45 And so, saying things like that, like he said there,

2:48 plays well with certain elements of his political base.

2:52 But when you actually look at some of the numbers, uh you see a different story.

2:57 So, symbolic uh statement by the Prime Minister up for re-election, absolutely.

3:02 Significant strategic consequences, potentially, absolutely.

3:08 So, question, how exactly dependent is Israel on this foreign military funding,

3:13 on this FMF funding, as you were calling it?

3:16 Yeah, so uh again, it's important for folks

3:19 to now that we have kind of some basic vocabulary

3:21 in the FMF to understand the difference between

3:24 that and the ability of Israel to buy American weapons.

3:27 But let's start with the FMF.

3:29 So, when you look at um foreign military

3:31 financing from the United States for Israel over time,

3:34 and this data is according to Jane's

3:36 as well as the Congressional Research Service,

3:39 uh FMS as a percentage of Israel's independent

3:42 defense budget reached as high as around 30%, 30%,

3:47 a third of their independent defense budget in 2006,

3:51 and then dropped and kind of hovered around

3:53 the 20% range from about 2010 to about 2019,

3:57 and then we saw a drop below 15% around 2023 and then spiked after

4:03 October 7th when we saw the supplemental

4:06 additional supplemental funding provided by the United States.

4:09 And now it's dropped again below around 10%.

4:12 So, what's explaining that?

4:13 What's explaining that is the growing Israeli economy.

4:16 I mean, that's great for Israelis, that's great for the United States.

4:19 You know, the more that they can pay for their own defense, that's great.

4:23 But, when you when you zoom out a little bit

4:25 more and you look at percentage of GDP spent on defense,

4:30 you start to get a picture a more

4:32 nuanced picture than a lot of people appreciate.

4:35 And let me just give you a few more numbers.

4:37 So, the United States spends about 3% of its GDP on defense,

4:41 its gross domestic product.

4:43 Most of your of our European allies are barely, you know,

4:46 they they struggle to meet the 2% and very few are higher than that.

4:50 So, Israel is actually kind of a model ally.

4:54 The Trump administration called them that in their national defense

4:56 strategy twice in terms of percentage of GDP on defense.

5:01 In they spent about 4% of GDP in 2022, 5% in 2023.

5:07 In 2024, after the October 7th terror attack, Israel spent roughly 8% of GDP.

5:14 That's a crazy high number.

5:16 I mean, that's more than double what the United

5:17 States spends and far more than any European country spends.

5:22 And they're come down in 2025 and then 2026 to about 7%.

5:26 So, why does all that matter?

5:27 Well, that number tells you a little bit about what they can afford.

5:30 And then when you add to that the wars that we saw with the between Iran

5:34 and Israel in April and October of 2024 and then the 12-day war in June of 2025,

5:41 and then what we've called the 40-day war more recently,

5:44 Israel, like the United States,

5:46 has expended an enormous quantity of munitions and both in in Lebanon

5:51 as well against others and so they've incurred a huge bill,

5:54 a growing bill that they're going to have to pay for and yet

5:58 they're already spending an extraordinary amount of their GDP on defense.

6:02 And so if you begin to phase out American foreign military financing,

6:06 even though it's about 7 to 10% of their budget and and you consider the fact

6:10 that a large portion of that future

6:12 foreign military financing for a future 10-year period,

6:16 potentially more than 20 billion of it is already

6:18 spoken for, then you start to see that if

6:21 you phase out American foreign military financing at time

6:24 when the Israeli defense needs are growing to replenish, modernize and expand,

6:29 then you then you start to have a problem if you're someone who believes

6:32 that Israel should exist and should be able

6:33 to defend itself and afford to do so.

6:36 So looking forward, is this type

6:38 of spending from Israel on its military sustainable?

6:40 I mean, will its GDP actually allow

6:43 them to continue this high level of spending?

6:45 I mean, their needs aren't going to decrease in the short term.

6:49 No, their needs are increasing significantly and if you you

6:53 complicate that with a phasing out of US foreign military financing,

6:57 then the gap between the budget that Israel needs

6:59 and they have will grow and that will be translated

7:02 in reduced security for Israel and reduced ability to fight

7:07 common adversaries and defend common interests with the United States.

7:10 And as the United States is looking is confronting

7:12 an axis of aggressors where we have China, Russia,

7:15 Iran and North Korea cooperating in what our chairman

7:17 of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said in unprecedented ways,

7:20 we need and want capable partners who can

7:23 help carry the burden in their respective regions.

7:25 And so from a selfish American perspective,

7:27 we want Israel to be militarily capable.

7:30 And so I I I am quite concerned about this and you know, to expect a democracy,

7:35 let's remember Israel is a democracy, to sustain 7 to 8% of gross domestic

7:42 percent of GDP on defense for 10 plus years.

7:46 You know, you talk about the guns and butter domestic debate and if

7:49 the the government that replaces Netanyahu is

7:51 a is a center or center-left government,

7:53 are they going to be able to maintain that?

7:55 I'd be surprised and that will will mean a reduced margin

7:58 of safety for Israelis and a partner uh in the Middle

8:02 East for the United States and our European allies that is

8:04 not as capable as we want them to be, I fear.

8:07 Yeah, it does seem that we're seeing kind of a phase

8:09 change both in the US and in Israel as well.

8:12 And I want to take a look at what seems

8:13 to be a uh a factor driving this change from Netanyahu.

8:17 Yeah, you mentioned the election due this year in Israel,

8:20 but Netanyahu also cited shifting political attitudes in the United States.

8:24 Uh in a survey carried out by the Pew Research Center in March this year,

8:29 60% of US adults said that they have an unfavorable view of Israel.

8:33 Opinions of Israel are also becoming more negative,

8:35 especially among younger Americans.

8:38 A majority of Democrats and Republicans under the age

8:40 of 50 now have a negative view of Israel.

8:44 So, with those numbers in mind,

8:46 do you think that Netanyahu's statements are a recognition

8:49 of a long-term shift in US support for Israel?

8:53 We have seen uh changes in public opinion in the United States regarding Israel.

8:58 Uh and you can you some of this uh goes back years

9:01 and some of this is a function of after October 7th uh Israel perceptions,

9:06 particularly on the left in this country regarding

9:08 Israeli military operations in Gaza and also uh

9:12 the way that the current war against Iran was

9:15 conducted has uh created additional anger among some Democrats.

9:19 And uh in addition to that poll you cited,

9:21 we see some of the similar reflections in a Reagan

9:24 Institute uh poll that they conduct once or twice a year.

9:27 And there's definitely a distinction between Republicans and Democrats,

9:30 and there's definitely a distinction by age.

9:33 And the more Democrat you are, the more negative the perception tends to be.

9:36 Uh and the younger you are, the more the negative the perception tends to be.

9:40 And so, if you're an Israeli looking at this, you

9:42 say there's a couple of views you can take.

9:44 One view is, "Hey, we Israel need this foreign

9:47 military financing because our defense needs are growing,

9:50 and this is really not a time to take a 7 to 10% decrease

9:54 in our defense budget when we're already at about 6 to 7% of GDP on defense.

9:59 So, let's let's work with America and keep

10:01 this foreign military financing going as long as we can

10:03 because we need it." Or you could look at it

10:06 the the politics in the United States and say,

10:08 "Hey, this money is going to get cut off sooner or later.

10:11 So, let's rip the band-aid off and do it now and force

10:13 the changes in Israel domestically that need to be made." And so,

10:17 that's essentially the debate.

10:18 And so, there are politics that Netanyahu's playing with, you know,

10:22 he's trying to curry favor with some elements of the far

10:25 right that views American foreign military financing as like handcuffs,

10:29 that that money somehow gives the United States the ability

10:32 to tell Israel what it can and can't do.

10:35 And that if you get rid of that foreign military financing,

10:38 then suddenly they'll have liberty or freedom they don't have.

10:41 But that view to me doesn't stand up to scrutiny

10:44 because Israel's still going to be flying American F-15s,

10:47 F-35s, F-16s, relying on American munitions for decades to come.

10:52 And they're going to still need parts for those systems.

10:54 So, Israel's not going to be building its own F-35s anytime soon,

10:57 and they're going to need parts for those aircraft.

10:59 So, if they're really worried about politics

11:01 in the United States going south that fast, that quickly, that badly,

11:04 then I worry those who are calling for an FMF phase-out

11:07 are simply jumping on a Bronco that they're not going to control,

11:10 that's going to end up in a barn they don't like.

11:13 That's a really interesting point,

11:14 and I want to circle back to that in just a second.

11:16 But if we're staying on the political side in the United States,

11:19 now foreign aid is an unpopular subject for many in Trump's base,

11:23 and an increasing number of Republicans

11:25 also hold a negative view towards Israel.

11:27 So, do you think Netanyahu's statements are an attempt to help

11:30 Trump ahead of the midterm elections this November in the US?

11:34 You know, I don't know.

11:35 I don't frankly like it when any

11:37 foreign national tries to impact American politics.

11:40 I don't think we should do that to other countries, including Germany.

11:42 I don't think other countries should do it to us.

11:44 If those are his motives, I don't like it.

11:46 Um you know, I'd say let Americans choose who

11:48 lead and let Israelis choose who they want to lead.

11:50 That's the That's the way it should work in a democracy, right?

11:53 But undoubtedly, there's maybe some shenanigans at play here.

11:56 But the bottom line is, you know,

11:57 I really you know, I worked for three Republican senators,

12:00 but I'm at a non-partisan think tank now and I

12:03 try to call balls and strikes regardless who's pitching.

12:05 And here's where I come down.

12:07 You know, the United States is confronting

12:08 this axis of aggressors that is a real thing.

12:11 They're cooperating across all domains of power, presenting dilemmas for us.

12:14 We are America's powerful.

12:16 We're the most powerful military in the world, but we need help.

12:19 You know, the bullies are coming around the corner in the playground

12:21 and it's good to have friends who know how to throw punches.

12:23 And Israelis have demonstrated they know how to throw punches.

12:26 But you know, when we make Israel powerful,

12:29 as I said, they can help carry the burden.

12:32 And there's a little anecdote I'd like to tell.

12:33 There's a There's a terrorist named Fuad Shuker who was involved

12:37 in the the killing of over 240 Marines in Lebanon in 1983.

12:41 The US put out a Rewards for Justice program for him calling for five million

12:46 saying there'd be five million dollars for anything

12:48 that led to his his you know, being brought into custody.

12:53 Well, that just sat there for years and years and years.

12:55 And then one day, Israelis flying in American-made jet,

12:58 probably an F-15, firing an American-made munition,

13:02 brought justice to Fuad Shuker,

13:04 this man responsible for killing over 241 Marines in Lebanon in 1983.

13:09 He's never going to going to kill US service members

13:11 and that's because of the Israelis flying American jets and American weapons.

13:15 And I could give you about three more hours

13:16 of examples of how we benefit from this cooperation.

13:20 So those who would suggest that this is just

13:22 a Christmas gift or a holiday gift for Israel and it's

13:26 pure charity really have not spent the time to understand

13:29 how we Americans selfishly benefit from this cooperation with Israel.

13:33 And so, I hope that folks put the politics aside,

13:37 um, but you know, with the Prime Minister of Israel saying,

13:40 "We don't need this." He's obviously undercut,

13:43 arguments of those of us in the United States

13:45 who say that it is a good thing for us.

13:47 And it's probably going to result in a phase

13:49 out happening more abruptly than it would have.

13:53 And that's going to create more defense budget crises,

13:55 if you will, for Israel than it would have otherwise.

13:59 And you were you said that, some in Israel

14:02 viewed this financial aid as a type of handcuffs.

14:05 How do you think that the broader military relationship between

14:07 the US and Israel could change if those handcuffs came off?

14:13 Well, you know, so, one, I I I argue that I think that argument is flawed.

14:17 That the United States will have a leverage over

14:20 Israel whether Israel's receiving foreign military financing or not.

14:25 Any Israel, any Israeli who looks

14:28 at this relationship objectively understands, you know,

14:30 this isn't the arrogant American saying this, it's just a geopolitical

14:33 reality that there's a senior partner and a junior partner here.

14:35 Yes, Israel is a sovereign autonomous nation and will make its decisions.

14:40 Um, but those on the far right in Israel think

14:43 an end to FMF is going to end US leverage over Israel,

14:47 I think we're going to have a rude awakening.

14:49 Because Israel's going to remain reliant to some degree

14:53 on American political debt debt block and economic power.

14:56 The whole move right now though,

14:58 among those who are supporting this FMF phase out,

15:02 which is gaining momentum frankly because of the comments of the Prime

15:05 Minister and some of the responses that's elicited in Congress,

15:08 including from people like Senator Lindsey Graham, um,

15:11 are are trying to shift to more a a strategic partnership.

15:15 I published in December arguing for FMF,

15:17 but also arguing for an increase in research and development cooperation.

15:21 Israel is not in industrial power, but they are a defense technology superpower.

15:26 Uh and they are quite impressive on AI and biotechnology and air defense.

15:31 So, there's lots of ways where we can work with them

15:33 in a win-win sort of way that will benefit Americans.

15:36 And so, those uh those steps are already uh underway

15:41 um and should happen regardless of what happens to FMF,

15:45 and that will be good for the United States and that'll be good for Israel

15:47 because um it will help American military members

15:51 be more capable in the first island chain, uh in Eastern Europe,

15:55 or uh on the Korean Peninsula because in many

15:58 cases Israelis are at the forefront of military R&D.

16:01 So, I'm I'm a big proponent of increasing that cooperation.

16:05 Uh of you making the most of things

16:07 like the US-Israel Operations Technology Working Group.

16:10 Um and that's definitely where all the focus is in both

16:13 Israel and the United States in trying to evolve the relationship.

16:16 All I'm simply trying to do is highlight uh

16:19 that the arithmetic really doesn't work for the Israeli defense budget

16:22 in the certainly in the short term and maybe even

16:24 the medium term if you phase out foreign military financing.

16:28 And it may catalyze a series of events that those of us who want Israel

16:32 to exist and be secure and have the means

16:34 to defend itself may not like uh because there are other ways that a US Congress

16:39 where you have 40 Democrat senators voting against

16:43 giving Israel bulldozers and 36 Democ- 36 senators

16:48 oh some of those were uh were Republican,

16:50 but 40 senators voting against bulldozers 36 voting against munitions.

16:55 Um you you can look at that vote two ways.

16:58 You could say uh that's a function of the Iran war,

17:00 that's a function of what perceptions regarding Gaza.

17:04 Um and you know, when those things fade into the rearview mirror,

17:06 those votes will change.

17:07 You can say that.

17:09 Or you can say we're in the midst of a generational

17:11 tectonic shift uh in perceptions of Israel in the United States.

17:15 Um and things could get much worse.

17:17 Um I think that's to answer that question,

17:19 it's more of a psychological, sociological, political science question.

17:22 And anyone says they know exactly what that's going to look like in 1, 5,

17:26 10 years, I don't think I I don't think you should trust that too much.

17:30 Yeah, none of us have crystal balls.

17:32 So, that was Bradley Bowman.

17:33 Exactly, that was Bradley Bowman, senior director of the Center on Military

17:37 and Political Power at the Foundation for Defending Democracies.

17:39 Thank you very much for your insights.

17:42 Thank you.

17:45 So, what do you think is behind the strategic shift?

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