Inside the Allegations Surrounding Paolo Zampolli, Melania Trump, and Jeffrey Epstein

0:00 Tara, I'm so glad that you're here.

0:01 Coming to us live from Italy right now.

0:05 Yeah.

0:05 How's it going?

0:06 Because there's even more the the fuckery abounds.

0:09 Like now now we've got updates from the Epstein side

0:13 of the universe uh involving Amanda Angaro who is the partner

0:17 of Paulo Zampoli who is a current member of the Trump

0:20 administration and he recently had her the mother of his child deported.

0:26 Exactly.

0:26 and V and I actually have been in touch

0:28 with Amanda for a while through one of her reps.

0:31 Um I I've met Amanda many times.

0:33 I know Paulo I've known Paulo since I was

0:35 22 years old when I wrote for Page Six.

0:38 Um I've been to Chipriani and seen him

0:40 there many times where he had a standing uh

0:43 table and I've been I went to his townhouse

0:46 actually as soon as the Epstein story broke.

0:48 I thought, who would know about Jeffrey Epstein, Paulo?

0:52 Because Paulo had a rival modeling agency, um, ID Models,

0:57 which is how he allegedly recruited Melania at the old age of 26 as a model.

1:03 That is old for models.

1:05 Um, and brought her over to the US and secured her a visa, an Einstein visa.

1:10 Um, that is the story as it goes.

1:12 and he, you know, introduced her to Donald Trump as he says

1:15 and he's willing to testify about it because it's been disputed so frequently.

1:20 But, um, you know, Paulo and Epstein,

1:24 they weren't like they were competitors, but they were fremies.

1:29 They almost bought a a modeling agency together, uh, elite modeling agency.

1:34 They thought about uh getting in on that one and buying it.

1:37 And from for them, the modeling wasn't about the art, the fashion.

1:42 It was about access to women and visas and controlling through visas.

1:47 And we know that Am Amanda has said that uh Paulo,

1:51 you know, targeted her in at 15 um and Brazil.

1:56 They were from Brazil and that they were in a relationship for decades.

1:59 We know that.

1:59 I I met saw them at, you know, White House events.

2:02 I saw them they've taken pictures.

2:05 Yes.

2:05 An ambassador to Granada when she was an ambassador to the Dominican Republic.

2:09 And actually, that's not uh Amanda actually on the left.

2:14 That's the new girlfriend.

2:15 That's the new girlfriend.

2:16 There's that's Amanda on the right.

2:20 Um, you know, she she and Virginia are about the same age.

2:24 Uh, and I I had a lot of, you know,

2:26 questions for her about Virginia because

2:28 obviously Virginia is not alive anymore.

2:31 Um, and um, you know, they're she's 40,

2:34 they have a baby together, and she sadly got deported.

2:37 Um, and the New York Times is reporting that she alleges that

2:42 it was Paulo that picked up the phone.

2:45 That's the guy on the right.

2:46 Scary looking dude.

2:47 Um, and uh and and asked Ice to deport the mother of his child,

2:52 not his wife, mother of a child so that he could win this long custody battle.

2:57 I've actually met their child before.

2:59 It looks He looks like a little Paulo.

3:00 I'm not going to lie.

3:01 But it's just like

3:02 How old is this child?

3:03 I think he's 12 now.

3:04 I think I met him last when he was seven.

3:06 Yeah.

3:06 But the I I remember seeing them I think

3:08 even last year together at a White House correspondence event.

3:12 Um I wrote this piece actually about how like

3:15 Paulo had just like by the time the Trump

3:18 administration was over and he was on the Kennedy

3:19 Center board and then the Biden administration switched over,

3:22 everyone had just had it with Paulo

3:24 and his in his lifestyle like his hard partying kind of like

3:27 New Yorker lifestyle with the bottles and the models in Washington.

3:30 It's just very considered go in Washington DC.

3:33 And I wrote about this for Politico and um you know

3:37 this was just who he was like this is what he was about

3:39 and this is the world that Melania came into and I think this is

3:42 why there are so many questions especially

3:44 when you start to realize how frequently Paulo is mentioned in the Epstein files

3:49 you know how closely they were intertwined.

3:52 Um there are a lot of just questions around

3:56 you know what exactly were these models doing?

4:00 Some of them not tall enough to be models.

4:02 You know that

4:03 some of them much too old to be models.

4:05 Some of them much too old to be models.

4:06 Some of them taking photos which is not

4:10 something that they typically want runway models doing.

4:14 Yeah.

4:14 Yeah.

4:14 Well, you the thing about a runway, there's, you know,

4:16 there's commercial models that you see on TV and in ma magazines,

4:20 not like high fashion magazines, but like, you know, they sell

4:24 Crest toothpaste or something like that.

4:26 They're kind of more commercial models,

4:27 but like the type of models that they were going for, these were

4:31 women that were like posing nude like Melania did for a long time.

4:34 I mean, her when she was found on the map,

4:36 it was through this guy Antoine Bearloss,

4:38 this French photographer who we've talked about before.

4:41 uh he he photographed her 11 times mostly in the nude and he put her on the map

4:45 and he continued to take photographs of Epste's girls

4:48 for him um after Epste spent time in jail.

4:51 So, like there's a big inter and we and the creepiest part is the exchange

4:56 in those emails um about this drug scopalylene

5:00 that comes from a trumpet plant that Epstein would would

5:03 grow and ask his staff specifically about

5:06 these plants and he denies that he knows anything

5:09 about this dangerous drug that turns people into zombies

5:11 and makes them completely devoid of free will.

5:13 But if you think about it, if you were running a sex trafficking operation,

5:16 like wouldn't that be exactly the kind

5:17 of drug you could use and would be helpful?

5:20 But I remember that like Paulo when

5:22 I first interviewed him about Jeffrey, he said,

5:25 "Oh, Jeffrey's girls were everywhere.

5:26 They were constantly recruiting in New York to the point

5:29 where we just called them Jeffrey's girls." And yeah,

5:32 and Audriana Ross, you know, uh we know that

5:36 we know that um Amanda knows her very well

5:40 and Audriana was one of Epstein's like assistant recruiter victims.

5:44 They all kind of fall in the same bucket now.

5:46 And and Amanda has said she's a a victim of Epstein as well.

5:50 And she was on his plane at 16 years old when she was

5:53 being repres disgusting agent who was Epstein's partner at get this MC squared.

6:04 MC Squared.

6:05 What does that stand for?

6:07 Einstein's Theory.

6:08 And what kind of visas do these girls get?

6:11 The Einstein visa.

6:13 Visas.

6:14 It's a little Who were they in with back then then?

6:17 Is this like a Bush thing?

6:18 Like how were they getting these visas?

6:20 Who was their government?

6:21 She met Clinton.

6:22 Like it goes all the way back.

6:24 Clinton.

6:25 Yeah.

6:24 Even further.

6:25 Yeah, of course.

6:26 She she she met all of these people.

6:28 She's met John Kerry.

6:30 She's met Clinton.

6:31 She said that Paulo would bring Glenn Maxwell to multiple UN events when

6:36 she was basically a pariah for being so closely associated with a pedophile.

6:40 That was until high society let Epstein back in with open arms.

6:44 But um

6:45 you know it this is this world

6:48 that she understands the network the modeling network.

6:52 It is I mean I just sent a picture to um one of the producers.

6:57 Abby, if you could throw it up shows you how young um

7:01 they were very young.

7:02 Amanda Watts.

7:03 No, that's her older older.

7:04 That's not her.

7:05 That's her on the right.

7:06 I mean look at this girl.

7:07 Yeah.

7:07 She's super young.

7:08 A child.

7:09 Mhm.

7:09 Yeah.

7:09 And a Getty photo.

7:11 I mean, um, and you know,

7:16 it it's just she and she remained very close with the Trumps.

7:19 I mean, it's true on the inaug at the inauguration, you know,

7:22 Melania gets to bring one of her guests and it was always Paulo.

7:25 Paulo threw an inauguration party.

7:27 I went to it actually for the first one.

7:29 Um, and he remained very close to U.

7:34 Melania.

7:35 And you know, Amanda has said that Paulo would h she's saying a lot of stuff.

7:45 She's saying a lot of stuff.

7:46 Here's the thing.

7:48 Tara and I have lawyers.

7:49 We don't have those kind of lawyers.

7:52 I want everybody to be watching,

7:54 reading what Amanda is saying that we can't today repeat.

7:57 We were hopeful that she was going to be able to be with us today.

8:00 She's been doing a lot of press.

8:01 She was exhausted today.

8:03 So, as soon as she feels better,

8:04 we'll have her on so she can say it in her own words.

8:07 But there are some allegations that Melania was

8:10 doing a little more than modeling for these folks.

8:12 And that we'll we'll get into that when

8:14 we can because I think the important part

8:16 right now is that Amanda is showing such

8:19 incredible bravery even after being detained by ICE,

8:22 deported back to Brazil, separated from her child,

8:26 and even at this point is showing such

8:28 bravery to try and hold accountability for Zoli,

8:31 who is a massively powerful person.

8:33 He was just in Iran or no, he's in where was he?

8:37 He was in Iran negotiating with He's like with JD Vance out here.

8:41 He's everywhere.

8:43 He had very much very much into this world.

8:46 I have a question for you.

8:48 You said earlier that the first time that you

8:50 met Paulo Zenoli was when you were 22s,

8:52 you were the age of some of his victims if like peer level with them.

8:57 How did it feel like you being on the outside?

9:00 Did you try to like be like girls like get out of here?

9:04 Well, it was different.

9:05 I had to be It was different because here's the thing.

9:08 I was scary.

9:09 I was a reporter for Page Six, right?

9:13 I was a 22-year-old with a very powerful pen.

9:15 I wrote for the hottest gossip column in town.

9:18 And my boss was Richard Johnson, the legendary, you know, page six columnist.

9:24 Like I knew what he was about, models and bottles, right?

9:28 But you know, Paulo wanted to be in page six.

9:31 He wanted to be in these pages in page, right?

9:35 And he wanted to be the cool guy.

9:38 And um you know that when you have that you're not like I've thought about

9:44 that a lot in my career like I've been really lucky because I think that I

9:48 had that power of the pen which like protected me like you know I said

9:52 that to you like sometimes I've get like creepy vibes from people and I'm like

9:56 just got that creepy vibe from them

9:57 but they would never like cross that line, right?

10:00 Do you know what I mean?

10:03 Terrifying about a reporter.

10:05 You know what I mean?

10:06 you just um and and also that's not like I'm not a 16-year-old.

10:11 I'm not st like not to say a 16-year-old is stupid, but I'm I couldn't be like

10:16 right.

10:16 You were an adult woman, right?

10:17 I was an adult woman with a career with a job, college degree, selfrespect.

10:22 Like, I just saw him for what he was,

10:25 a foolish old man who was trying to extend his childhood for a very long time.

10:29 Did I think he was trafficking these girls?

10:32 You know, if I had that tip in my head and I they looked young,

10:36 but I looked young men then.

10:37 I don't know.

10:38 You know what I mean?

10:38 It was like and and you're in nightclubs

10:41 and they were always models and and actresses and seemed fun.

10:45 Yeah.

10:45 It was just the way it was.

10:46 And they seemed fine.

10:47 I mean, until like I mean,

10:49 I wasn't there until 4 in the morning when everyone was blacked out.

10:52 But I understood this world.

10:53 I got what it was.

10:54 And the guys who own the clubs, who were like equally my sources,

10:57 um they they they wanted like attractive women in the club.

11:02 So they wanted the modeling agents like Paulo to bring the girls in and he would

11:07 they used to hire them at the restaurant constantly.

11:10 This was my job as an event planner at Be Our Guest Restaurant.

11:12 Steve Hansen featured very often in the Epstein files.

11:15 And now in a new video of Steve getting a pedicure with Epstein and goofing off,

11:19 which if you would have ever told me Steve Hansen got pedicures,

11:21 I would have been like, "No way." He was one of the most

11:22 intimidating um successful restaurant tours of the time.

11:25 It was like if you worked at Be Our Guest,

11:27 you could write your ticket to anywhere because it was so incredibly strict

11:29 to work there and the training

11:30 was outstanding and the restaurants were phenomenal.

11:32 I know.

11:33 Yeah.

11:33 And we would do the Saturday Night Live after

11:35 parties or if we were opening a new restaurant,

11:37 we would call these people Zoli or whoever elite models and be like,

11:41 "We need 12 girls tonight and we're they're going

11:44 to hand out champagne." So that when Tara from page six,

11:48 not you specifically, but maybe we crossed over.

11:50 He would write about be our guest.

11:52 I remember it.

11:52 Yeah.

11:53 We'd come in and, you know, be like, "Wow,

11:55 every single one of the waiters is beautiful."

11:57 And it was a wonderful night and it was their job to like get the party

12:00 going or or make sure that people were dancing.

12:02 The dance floors look full at the clubs.

12:04 The bars look full at the clubs.

12:05 It was the most beautiful place, the dosamino openings, all of this.

12:08 And then we did it in Las Vegas as well.

12:10 And it it I go back in my work history to and talk to my cousin

12:15 who was the general manager at Ocean Grill at the time and be like,

12:18 "Did we know?" And she's like, "We did not know.

12:21 This was very normal to hire models because we're having a media night.

12:25 We're having a whatever night.

12:26 We had no idea what they were doing.

12:28 Nothing bad ever happened inside the restaurant while we were at work.

12:31 It's what these girls endured outside of maybe the restaurant job was like

12:35 a good job for them and maybe there were other jobs that weren't so good

12:38 or stuff that was going on in the after.

12:40 Like here's something that people never talk about.

12:42 like there and this one of my girlfriends

12:44 actually works in fashion and she was explaining

12:46 it to me and she was like hundreds of girls show up for these casting calls.

12:50 They pick maybe five to 10.

12:52 Most models don't make any money and most of them don't really make it

12:55 and like and for some of them especially the ones that come from like

12:59 poor countries like Eastern Europe or you know Russia or even Brazil.

13:04 It's like like Amanda's mother like didn't know that she was being groomed,

13:08 but she also hoped her daughter would have a better life in America, right?

13:12 And and so I think that their hopes and dreams

13:17 that the modeling world will either introduce them to a man

13:20 that can save them or give them a life

13:22 in America or maybe one day they'll become a successful model.

13:25 But the truth is that the most successful models are often Nepo babies.

13:28 I mean, let's just be honest.

13:30 like or they come from like some sort of connection to the fashion world.

13:34 Um because children, right?

13:36 Yeah.

13:36 There's Yeah.

13:37 And the girls that don't make it in modeling

13:39 become cater waiters and that's where we hired them from.

13:42 This is like the world that you exist in.

13:44 It becomes very

13:45 or they end up in like and some of them,

13:46 especially the ones who don't have even access to their visas

13:49 or their own passports because they're taken away from them.

13:52 They live in these modeling dorms.

13:53 I mean, I didn't personally like ever kind of see

13:57 that like in like I mean, I saw them.

13:59 I got to know them.

14:00 Like I knew guys that like I just I

14:02 knew that world because I had to be around it.

14:04 But I didn't like it wasn't like anyone was like coming to me being like,

14:07 "Hey, 23-year-old girl, like 22-year-old girl who writes about uh you know,

14:12 they were save me from my like old man boyfriend with the man boobs

14:19 I have to sleep with every night because that's the only way for me

14:22 to live in New York." And I'm just like I wish I knew

14:25 cuz like now I'm like a rabid feminist and I would have probably like

14:30 tried to like create like some sort of way to take them out of that situation.

14:35 But I don't know.

14:35 I guess I just thought that was the way

14:37 that it was and I feel almost terrible about it now.

14:41 Aunt Jen points out also pharmaceutical sales reps the same

14:45 thing like this idea of hiring models to do

14:47 this like you know society work in terms of convincing

14:51 doctors because we used to host those dinners where a pharmaceutical

14:54 sales rep would come in and I was like I've

14:56 never seen a sales rep that's like 61 and like

14:58 looks like a model but they would come in to like

15:00 sell doctors on writing prescriptions for Oxycottton and stuff.

15:03 There's there are layers and layers and layers

15:05 and layers of corruption that were going

15:06 on that are now better exposed by the fact

15:09 that we know better so we can do better.

15:11 But going back to Amanda for a quick second here.

15:14 Do we think that, you know,

15:16 I'm very inspired by what happened with Congressman Swallwell this past weekend.

15:21 If he can get taken down

15:24 by a kindergarten teacher that maybe Paulo Zampoli and this Epstein class can

15:29 be taken down by a girl who had a dream to be a model.

15:32 Like I think that there is maybe more trust in regular

15:36 people up against power structures in this generation than there's ever been.

15:39 And so I have hope for it.

15:41 But do you want to talk about Swallwell?

15:43 Yeah, we can talk about Swallwell.

15:45 I'm happy to.

15:45 The difference between Swallwell though and EP uh Trump

15:49 right now is that Trump has the power to get

15:51 ICE to take to deport you back to Brazil

15:54 and make sure you never see your son again.

15:56 Like that is the difference.

15:57 Swallwell is in the minority a Democrat and they are ready

16:00 to like throw his ass out and they have which they should have.

16:04 And honestly like I had been I had I had a feeling about Swallow.

16:09 I didn't have any just random interactions.

16:12 I was like, you remember you and I were talking about this and I was like,

16:15 shit's going to go down.

16:16 Like that guy just to I can smell trouble.

16:20 Like it is now.

16:20 Yes, I know exactly who's good.

16:22 The benefit of being a butch lesbian is that men

16:25 talk to me the way they talk to other

16:26 men sometimes and they like they don't accept that I

16:29 that like I would of course side with women.

16:32 So there are often times that awful men

16:34 will be like and I'm like, "Yeah, okay." Okay.

16:37 And then I immediately am going to go and tell her because I'm a girl's girl.

16:40 But there are there are people I could tell exactly right

16:43 away if they're going to be a creep or a bad guy.

16:44 For sure.

16:45 And you had that feeling about him, too.

16:48 Yeah.

16:48 Just from like the like the few interactions I had with him.

16:50 I was just like something smells off.

16:54 I couldn't put my finger on it.

16:55 We did start get we we started to get tips like everyone did.

16:58 I started to report it out like everyone did.

17:00 Um unfortunately like I wish the Terara Paul Mary

17:03 show had the bandwidth to be like on everybody's ass.

17:06 Um but you know we started reporting it

17:09 and it got out which I'm happy that it did.

17:11 I did not know about rape allegations like that I did not know about.

17:14 No and in fact that didn't come until you know

17:17 the CNN interview where somebody was willing to say that.

17:21 I mean that was and then now we have video and it's

17:24 like that's what it takes in this town in this time.

17:27 Um, and there's so much more in the Epstein story

17:29 that I've been digging into that I just like need,

17:32 you know, hopefully, you know,

17:35 it just it just takes a lot to do investigative work.

17:38 And for the reason that we have right now, I mean,

17:40 we are going to continue reporting on what Amanda has told us.

17:46 Um, and if we can get, you know, responses from Melania and Paulo, you know,

17:51 V and I will will come back to you and give you that information.

17:55 um and and try to get it to you as quickly as we can.

17:57 Um it's uh important for people to know.

18:01 I think it would explain, you know, why the first lady came out Yeah.

18:07 Yeah, it would.

18:08 And I mean, Amanda remembers meeting her for the first time when um she

18:11 was 18 on a plane um on Trump's plane from Miami to New York.

18:18 And I I'm just going to give you like some of the bits

18:20 that you know she's told us that are consistent with what I Abby,

18:24 do we have a picture of what Melania

18:26 looked like when she first came here with Trump?

18:28 Because I think when we picture the first lady we picture as what she's become,

18:32 but if you look at her from that period of time,

18:35 I think it paints a better picture of where she

18:37 was at mentally and and status and society wise and why

18:41 she maybe would have turned on the girls the way

18:44 that she did once she got out of what she figured.

18:48 You know, she thinks that she's very much above some

18:50 of the girls that she came in with at the Oh, yeah.

18:52 She did not care.

18:53 Amanda said that when she got deported, she said Melania said it tough.

18:57 She because Melania Amanda who had known

18:59 her for decades tried to reach out to her.

19:01 Yeah.

19:01 And she was like too bad.

19:02 Like I'm above this.

19:04 But this is not, you know, this is not um like we've said a mall girl,

19:09 which we might say in Jersey.

19:11 She's a mall girl.

19:12 She's a mall girl.

19:13 So there I just think it's good for people

19:15 to understand what Melania looked at the time.

19:17 The the social climbing that she was seeking to do,

19:20 the way she came in with Donald.

19:21 Donald had an obsession with uh casting his next

19:25 wife as someone who could be the first lady.

19:27 He had dreams of being the president

19:29 at a time and he was trying out different women.

19:31 She actually looked better in that phase.

19:32 She looked better there, but she defining her looks.

19:47 I want you to see where she came from versus where she has established

19:50 in the fact that she very much does not want people to know that this is where

19:54 she came in from because she rejects all the other women who are sort of down

19:58 on their luck in a certain way or haven't achieved the status that she has.

20:02 She wants to present that she was always this dignified,

20:04 you know, society girl and that's just quite simply not true.

20:07 No, there was a lot actually.

20:08 Donald Trump spent a lot of time and

20:13 curated and she speaks very carefully because of him.

20:18 She speaks like as if because he had

20:20 long wanted to be president of the United States.

20:22 So her accent is manufactured by him and if you look

20:25 at the way she talked when she first came here, she had a much easier American.

20:29 She spoke much much more Americanized than she does now where it seems Yeah.

20:33 I think that she sounds a lot more New York than she did now when she talks.

20:37 It's like she could barely find the word.

20:38 She's like hilaria Baldwin all of a sudden.

20:40 She's like, "What do you call what do you

20:42 call a cucumber?" Like she has no idea, you know?

20:45 But going back to this time is just different.

20:48 Yeah.

20:49 Another And now that's a whole other story.

20:51 But I I just I think it it helps me

20:53 as a person to to remember what she was like at that time.

20:57 She was also at my college graduation, which was a whole other insane thing.

21:01 He was the speaker.

21:02 Wait, what?

21:03 Donald Trump was our uh commencement speaker for Wagner

21:06 College 2004 and he had just really started dating her.

21:08 I believe they were engaged at that time and he like

21:11 made a show of like wanting her to like parade past.

21:13 She was much more willing to be a trophy showoff than she is now.

21:18 And I remember thinking it was weird back then.

21:20 And I remember thinking how young she was compared to him back then even.

21:23 I was like, "Oh, weird." Yeah.

21:26 Yeah.

21:26 I mean I I I used to see her out in in town and Yes.

21:30 She's and even the person that she the way she

21:33 dressed when she was in she's always wearing a costume.

21:35 Like she's a role.

21:37 It's a costume.

21:37 Yeah.

21:37 She's always wearing a costume.

21:38 I think she dresses impeccably now.

21:40 I mean her suits, she's always wearing like a beautiful Dior suit.

21:44 She looks classic.

21:45 Um I I will give it to her at But she's never going back.

21:49 And there's something I understand about never going back.

21:53 And I I just want people to remember that this is not a person who

21:58 came from a royal family and has always been at the level that she's at now.

22:02 She came from the place where a lot of girls who, you know, it's a tough place.

22:07 Sometimes you're just trying to make it for yourself.

22:09 And she will never go back.

22:11 And so she doesn't want to be associated with Amanda or the Epstein people.

22:14 She thinks they're low class.

22:15 She thinks she's above them.

22:16 And she doesn't want to re be reminded

22:18 that that's actually your peer class of solidarity.

22:20 the people you should be looking out

22:21 for, the people you should have brought up with you.

22:23 And she doesn't she does not want to hear that or be a part of that.

22:26 And that's and for that reason, she should testify on the hill.

22:31 Yeah.

22:30 Because she probably has a better understanding of the Epstein

22:33 C circle than anyone else whether she wants to admit it or not because it's so

22:41 the modeling world and the Epstein world are so intertwined.

22:43 In fact, so one of um Epstein's assistants, oh, his girlfriend, excuse me,

22:49 when she was having visa problems,

22:52 um he turned to the photographer, Antoine Baragos, who put her on the map,

22:56 the one who took that famous picture of her naked um on Trump's

22:59 plane and to get to have him help with the the visa problems.

23:03 This was just the thing these guys did.

23:05 And you had they controlled you.

23:07 You had to stay in their good graces as long as as long

23:11 as you did not have a green card as long as you did not have,

23:18 you know, a US citizenship.

23:20 And even Amanda, like all these years,

23:22 Paulo controlled her essentially because she never got the green card.

23:26 That's how she was able to be deported.

23:28 Oh, she all this time still didn't.

23:30 No, she never had a green card.