Gadget Prices Are Getting Ridiculous

0:00 You know what, a good way to tell the difference between

0:01 Between what?

0:02 Black bear and a grizzly bear?

0:03 If it's alive after 200 CUPS OF

0:06 [laughter] [music]

0:13 YO, WHAT IS UP PEOPLE OF THE INTERNET?

0:14 WELCOME BACK to another episode of the Waveform podcast.

0:17 We're your hosts.

0:18 I'm Marquez.

0:18 I'm Andrew.

0:19 I'm David.

0:20 Today feels like a little bit of a I'm not going to say throwback episode,

0:23 but like a callback episode cuz we got a whole bunch of stuff

0:26 that might sound like it was from months/ years ago, but it's all new.

0:30 For real, for real.

0:32 Update.

0:32 Um we're going to talk about Samsung foldables,

0:34 Google fixing something that should have been fixed 10 years ago,

0:37 GoPro launching some new cameras, uh Samsung price hikes,

0:41 and a bunch of updates from existing previous stories

0:43 that we've seen and talked about in the past.

0:45 And also I'm going to try to explain

0:46 something that just happened last weekend in tech terms.

0:49 It's in the sports world though, so it'll be a challenge.

0:52 But first

0:53 Well, so we actually have something before did we even test this?

0:55 Which is if last week you noticed our audio only episode had 4 and 1/2 minutes

1:01 of ads before the episode started playing with like

1:05 10 to 15 second giant pauses in between them.

1:09 That was our fault.

1:10 Um if you want to know,

1:12 we only run two 30-second pre-roll ads before the show

1:15 starts um cuz we have two ad locations for pre-rolls.

1:18 And last week when we were cutting the ads out of the episode accidentally

1:23 named the full clip of all of the ads together after one of the sponsors,

1:28 therefore uploading it to the one 30-second ad location Whoops.

1:32 then giving four plus ads in that spot.

1:35 So, that's an oopsie.

1:38 who did that.

1:38 [laughter]

1:41 Sorry.

1:41 I got a few messages from people saying,

1:42 "What the heck is go What did you guys do?

1:45 Why do you have all these ads?"

1:46 Got one from someone and every time it's the first person who says it, I go,

1:50 "Something must have been wrong with Spotify." And then

1:52 the second one comes in and then I go, "I need to investigate this." [laughter]

1:55 My favorite comment was someone commented on Spotify

1:57 and said bro is giving us time to reflect after

2:02 [laughter]

2:03 I was cracking up that was so good.

2:05 So yeah our bad should be fixed by now couple companies got some free

2:09 promotion I guess just in the midst

2:11 of total confusion happens but yeah we're good.

2:16 And David you do have it did they even take it?

2:18 actually have a couple I'm just going to do one today

2:20 cuz we're going to save the best for not this week.

2:24 This one's funny so as we know there

2:27 are many Chinese phone brands right and some

2:30 of them eventually bring some of their phones

2:32 to the western world to global markets you might say.

2:36 One of these phones is the Xiaomi Leica phone that you just reviewed I believe.

2:42 Wait it's not a phone?

2:44 Um

2:44 You just said it's Leica phone but it's not a phone.

2:47 Oh It's like a Leica phone.

2:50 Damn.

2:52 [laughter]

2:52 Anyway so the Xiaomi Leica phone there are two models there's

2:55 the Chinese model which I believe is the one Marques reviewed.

2:58 There's also a global model I was

3:00 hanging out with my friend Michael Fisher friend

3:03 of the show he is also putting out a video about this that should be out

3:05 by the time the pod goes live and he I think he said he's going

3:08 to mention this but I just found it so freaking funny when he showed it to me.

3:12 So you know clearly when they're making

3:14 the global software they don't generally care as much

3:17 about the global market version of the phone

3:19 because they sell the most of them in China.

3:22 So they made the weather app but I

3:25 guess during making the weather app they forgot

3:28 to change the coding of the feels like

3:32 to [clears throat] be able to reflect Fahrenheit.

3:36 So on the screen of the phone you'll have the weather widget

3:39 and it says like 82 Fahrenheit but it says feels like 28 degrees.

3:44 So you can change the weather to be Celsius or Fahrenheit

3:47 but then the feels like is still Celsius unable to be changed.

3:50 a couple screenshots You can select the temperature units, select Fahrenheit,

3:55 but the weather widget will always show the feels like in Celsius.

3:58 They absolutely did not test this.

3:59 They did not test this.

4:02 [laughter]

4:01 Definitely did test it.

4:02 Because, you know, we use freedom units and you

4:05 wouldn't use freedom units in honestly most of the world.

4:08 So, there's very little reason to test this.

4:12 Yeah.

4:11 And the hotter it gets, the more

4:13 the bigger discrepancy.

4:14 discrepancy between those two.

4:16 really cold, then it's like very small,

4:18 and the feels like might be fairly accurate.

4:20 that's like reasonable.

4:21 Yeah, reasonable.

4:22 You know, you'd say like 34 feels like

4:25 24.

4:25 or whatever.

4:25 You'd be like, Wind chill, yeah.

4:27 That seems about right.

4:28 It's cold.

4:30 Yeah.

4:29 But that's This week we had a heat wave and it was 82° F,

4:32 and it says feels like 28.

4:35 Yeah.

4:34 And if that was That's That would be That would be crazy.

4:36 That's like a 60° difference, so.

4:39 Yeah.

4:39 Michael said that there are many,

4:40 many things in this phone in the global version that basically this happened to.

4:46 It's not just the like Celsius Fahrenheit thing.

4:48 There are a bunch of things where it's like they

4:50 clearly did not translate this over to the global version.

4:55 Yeah.

4:56 So, review a lot of phones like this where you're like,

4:58 "Well, this isn't made for this market,

5:00 but I'm going to test it anyway and review it." And you just

5:02 kind of start ignoring those things even though there's a lot of them.

5:06 Yeah.

5:06 Out of the box, you try to change as many of them as you can.

5:09 Yeah.

5:09 That's hilarious.

5:09 They need to get testers for like global markets to actually

5:11 just find all these bugs before they ship them, but Yeah.

5:14 Yeah.

5:15 All right.

5:16 I have a little segment that I wanted to do with you, Marques, because last week

5:21 Mhm.

5:20 you I saw that you were using the iPhone Air again,

5:22 and I said, "Why are you doing that?" You said because it's black.

5:26 Yep.

5:28 Well,

5:27 it's the only black iPhone they make.

5:29 I have now acquired an iPhone Air.

5:31 Yeah.

5:32 Yeah.

5:32 But that's not a black phone.

5:34 It's baby blue.

5:36 Barely.

5:36 Barely blue.

5:37 Is that Brandon's?

5:38 It looks

5:39 No, it's not Brandon's.

5:39 It's Michael Fisher's.

5:41 I stole it from him.

5:42 Uh and I just wanted to like I just wanted us

5:44 to do a a like recap thing on it because, you know,

5:47 the review went out fairly soon after the embargo and then now

5:51 it's been a while and I've been using it for a few days.

5:54 So, I just wanted to talk about some feelings.

5:56 Sure.

5:57 Well, I can give you my timeline and how it's gone.

5:59 Sure.

5:59 I was I reviewed all the phones at the beginning

6:01 and when I was done reviewing all the iPhones,

6:03 I stuck to the 17 Pro as my main iPhone for a while.

6:09 And that's usually how it goes.

6:10 I usually have the Pro.

6:11 I use the cameras a lot.

6:12 That's the whole point of me carrying an iPhone

6:14 is the things that the iPhone does well.

6:16 And so I've just been carrying that phone for a bit.

6:18 But it's orange and I swear to god

6:22 that started getting on my nerves faster and faster.

6:25 And eventually, yeah,

6:26 I just started testing this other phone

6:28 that we're actually I can talk about now.

6:29 It's the Oppo Find X9 Ultra and the video on it is coming later.

6:33 But it's got these incredible cameras and this incredible battery life.

6:36 So, what better time to see if I could use

6:38 the iPhone with the worst cameras and the worst battery life.

6:42 So, I flipped to the black iPhone XR.

6:45 And it's been I think maybe 2 weeks now since I switched to it.

6:50 Couple things have happened.

6:51 One, I've gotten really used to the thinness and lightness of it.

6:55 It's not just the thinness, it's the lightness that really gets you.

6:58 You put it in your pocket, you forget that there's something in your pocket.

7:01 That never happens with other phones.

7:03 So, that happened a quite a few times.

7:05 The other thing is I just stopped trying to use zoom like ultra-wide

7:11 and zoom stuff which I I default do on the Pro iPhone all the time.

7:15 It bummed me out.

7:17 But I just stopped using zoom obviously cuz there's no ability

7:20 to zoom out or zoom in with any sort of quality.

7:23 But I'm using this other incredible camera phone with this huge battery

7:27 and these amazing cameras and I'm taking all my pictures and videos on that one.

7:30 So, it's been fine so far, but we'll see how long that lasts.

7:34 Yeah, my my first few days I was going to drop

7:37 it a thousand times because of how thin it is.

7:39 It's almost hard to grip because of how thin it is.

7:43 Interesting.

7:43 Um it's also hard to get out of my pocket.

7:44 I have to put it in my pocket like this so

7:46 that I can grab the camera bar and pull it out.

7:50 Huh.

7:49 You know, maybe I'm doing that weirdly, but that's what I've been doing.

7:51 Wait, you don't put the phone in your pocket camera face down?

7:56 Well, you know,

7:56 to change his habits so he can have a lip to pick.

7:59 Well, that's why I'm asking.

8:00 Did you change it specifically for this?

8:01 No, I did not.

8:01 I just kept putting my hand in my pocket and being like, "Oh, it's face up."

8:05 Oh, so you always have put your phone in your pocket right side up?

8:11 but for some reason apparently this phone has made me start doing that.

8:14 That's the weirdest thing I've ever

8:16 [laughter]

8:16 I've never heard that before.

8:17 I don't do it on purpose.

8:18 It's very weird.

8:20 Huh.

8:19 Um other thing, I you know, I'm plugging it in a lot more,

8:22 but it hasn't really been bugging me that I'm plugging it in a lot more.

8:24 Oh, yeah, the battery's so bad.

8:26 It's pretty bad.

8:27 Like I'm used to a good battery and this one I mean, I'm at 80%.

8:32 I haven't really done much of anything.

8:33 I navigated here in the morning and that was the only thing I've done on it.

8:36 But you probably didn't need Did you use your phone to navigate here?

8:38 Yeah.

8:39 Oh.

8:39 So, it's been on Waze and then on.

8:40 And usually I'd get here at like 93 or 94% or whatever.

8:43 80.

8:44 Yeah, I'm at 74.

8:46 I've done almost nothing with it.

8:47 The other day I asked everyone in the office that uses an Air,

8:50 aka Marques, Brandon, and Rich,

8:53 "What's your battery?"

8:54 Yeah, "What's your battery?" And Marques was like, "Oh,

8:55 I think I'm at like 70-something." Rich was like, "Oh,

8:57 I just took it off the charger so I'm pretty much

8:59 topped off." And Brandon's just staring at me from across the room.

9:03 [laughter] And it's like 1:00 p.m.

9:03 and he's like, "I'm at like 38."

9:06 Yeah.

9:07 Thanks.

9:06 Yeah, and that's about how it feels.

9:08 I was at the gym the other day um at 1:00 at 1:00 p.m.

9:12 I was at like 12%.

9:14 Yeah, and so if you're using it multiple apps,

9:16 like I was using a couple of like music apps,

9:18 podcast apps, you know, the fitness app,

9:20 it it can drain pretty pretty damn quick.

9:24 Yep.

9:23 Um I have gotten used to the thinness of it now and I'm not like,

9:28 you know, dropping it.

9:28 The main problems I'm finding.

9:32 Mhm.

9:31 One, when I'm traveling,

9:32 I use the 4x telephoto lens a lot cuz I shoot in like

9:36 Halide or the Moment Camera Pro app and not having that sucks.

9:41 Yeah.

9:41 And I know that most people said that they didn't

9:43 want to buy this because it didn't have the ultra wide.

9:45 I never really use the ultra wide, so that's not really a problem for me.

9:47 But the 4x lens, trash.

9:49 And then the second thing is that I use this very specific app called

9:53 Viewfinder Preview that helps me shoot ultra

9:55 wide um panoramas on my film cameras.

9:59 Mhm.

9:59 And that [clears throat] uses the ultra wide camera,

10:00 so I literally cannot main this if I'm going out to like take pictures with my

10:05 3D printed camera.

10:06 Yep.

10:07 So Yeah.

10:07 Yeah, kind of a problem.

10:09 I have a question for you then.

10:11 Yeah.

10:10 We all expect the next iPhone Air to have a second camera lens.

10:15 Yeah.

10:15 Which one do you hope it is?

10:17 Telephoto, but it won't be.

10:18 You think it'll be the ultra wide?

10:19 It's definitely going to be the ultra wide.

10:20 It's probably the ultra wide.

10:21 I'm pretty sure most people said that their main

10:22 problem was it didn't have an ultra wide.

10:25 Yeah.

10:24 Which I don't understand cuz that camera sucks anyway.

10:27 It's always sucked.

10:28 Like it's got It was terrible.

10:30 when Apple always goes, "Oh, but yeah,

10:31 you technically have a 2x lens built in with this optic

10:35 Yeah, you put 17 lenses in there.

10:36 Very far.

10:37 Yeah, 17 lenses in your kit.

10:38 Yeah, they love saying that, but it really doesn't translate that well.

10:41 Well, we just saw the Huawei full like

10:44 wide foldable that's going to be released, right?

10:46 And that has three lenses on it.

10:48 So if they can do that in an ultra thin body, like come on Apple.

10:52 Please.

10:52 Well, I just want to say a few weeks ago we did

10:54 a community post on YouTube talking

10:57 about which secondary lens is everyone's favorite.

11:00 19% of people said the selfie.

11:02 31% of people said the ultra wide, and 50% of people said telephoto.

11:07 Oh.

11:07 It's so interesting.

11:08 All right, Apple, you're listening.

11:10 This is data.

11:10 You got to use the data to build your phone.

11:12 Okay, wait, before we move on, question for both of you.

11:14 Now that you've been using the iPhone Air for a bit.

11:17 Yeah.

11:16 Is it worth it?

11:18 Are the trade-offs worth it?

11:19 Cuz the the lightness is awesome, the size is awesome.

11:22 Brandon loves it even though the battery life is trash.

11:25 Over the Pro or over the standard one?

11:28 Yeah, that's the thing is before.

11:29 I would not like normally switch from the Pro to this phone.

11:32 It is clearly not a better phone.

11:35 No.

11:34 Uh it is a bigger screen.

11:36 It's a totally fine phone.

11:37 I have a Pro Max, so.

11:39 Oh, okay.

11:39 So, I came from the Pro,

11:40 so it's a bigger screen for me, slightly smaller for you.

11:42 It's just that I've I just came from the 17 Pro,

11:46 so that's why I'm noticing all the downfalls of it.

11:48 But if you you're coming from any other random

11:50 older phone and you're thinking about buying an Air,

11:51 you're like it's fine.

11:52 It's going to be a totally fine phone.

11:53 So, only one camera, fine.

11:54 The battery life's kind of cheeks, fine.

11:56 Whatever.

11:56 You can deal with that.

11:57 But it would be so good with two or three cameras and a silicon carbon battery.

12:01 That would be a great phone.

12:04 Yeah.

12:04 Uh but it doesn't have that yet.

12:04 So, we're waiting for

12:05 If gen two.

12:07 Air two.

12:09 Yeah.

12:08 Can I drop a crazy iPhone camera opinion

12:12 Sure.

12:11 that I discovered this weekend that I feel I need to let the world know.

12:14 David, I just sent you two pictures via iMessage.

12:18 Okay.

12:18 That I took on my iPhone.

12:19 I've discovered I forgot about blip.

12:21 I just discovered the the the sauce, okay?

12:24 It's It's the moment the moment cam First, David, tell me that these

12:27 Didn't you bring this up last week?

12:28 No, no.

12:28 I've I've dialed it in even further with a with a crazy take.

12:33 Uh-huh.

12:33 Moment Pro camera, you lock the ISO at 640 instead of 800.

12:37 So, you still get the flatness, but it's slightly less noisy.

12:39 You put it in natural processing mode, so it's like almost a single exposure.

12:44 Mhm.

12:43 And then you [clears throat] only use the telephoto lens.

12:48 Wow.

12:48 And it's it's beautiful.

12:49 It looks amazing.

12:50 Show Mark has

12:50 Is that you playing disc golf?

12:51 Yeah, it's me playing disc golf.

12:53 You play disc golf?

12:54 I can tell cuz he has the pencil in his hat.

12:56 He has a hat designed to have a pencil in his hat.

12:58 You can tell because it's a guy in the woods.

13:01 [laughter]

13:01 That's all you do in the woods, play disc golf?

13:03 I just like the woods.

13:04 I'm now telephoto superiority gang.

13:07 Hell yeah, let's go.

13:08 So, you're hoping for a telephoto on the next Air?

13:10 I think the telephoto is the only camera you need on an iPhone.

13:12 Well, that's a crazy take.

13:13 That is the hottest take yet.

13:15 The only The only camera you need.

13:17 Yeah.

13:18 All of those are with the telephoto.

13:19 I just run really far away to take a picture and then run back to my friends.

13:22 What if you can't move further away?

13:24 Also, is that that really nice restaurant where he just like scoots back,

13:27 walks over three tables, snaps a picture of his food.

13:31 Yeah, you could.

13:31 did that.

13:31 I mean, you'd get the portrait.

13:33 When you When you go to take a portrait mode photo,

13:34 you it automatically on a lot of phones

13:36 switches to the to the portrait telephoto.

13:39 you have a selfie camera.

13:40 Just turn it around.

13:42 Honestly, fair take.

13:43 Fair take.

13:44 It's a technically true statement but they

13:47 [laughter] It's the worst The thing is the primary camera is always the biggest

13:50 sensor that gets the more most light and takes the best photos,

13:53 has the fastest shutter speed, etc.

13:55 etc.

13:56 Telephoto cameras are getting better so you can take

13:59 better telephotos but they're never as good as the primary.

14:03 No, yeah.

14:04 We have astronauts on our moon.

14:05 I was going to say the most popular iPhone

14:07 picture in the world arguably is with the selfie

14:09 I'm not arguing that.

14:09 It's the most popular picture but it

14:11 is definitively not the highest quality picture.

14:14 Yeah.

14:14 That's facts.

14:15 Yeah, facts.

14:15 So, you know That's the Hasselblad X1D.

14:18 Yeah, when I was in Colorado last week,

14:20 I was shooting raw a lot on the phone and it's That was your photo.

14:25 I took this of myself today.

14:26 Oh my god.

14:27 It's actually crazy how good the main Oh my god.

14:31 [laughter] I'm leaving that in the podcast, too.

14:34 I'm not deleting it.

14:35 Good.

14:36 Uh it's actually crazy how good the main sensor is now if you like shooting raw,

14:39 they're so flexible.

14:40 I don't really feel like I need to carry

14:42 around a digital camera anymore like almost at all.

14:46 That's where I'm at with this Well,

14:47 I can't say too much but with this Oppo phone.

14:49 The whole point of me testing it is to be like,

14:51 all right, it's got these crazy specs.

14:52 Can it just be as good as a regular camera?

14:56 Yeah.

14:56 And that's what a lot of people think

14:57 about with phones with crazy cameras like this.

15:01 the show about how all of the Chinese manufacturers now It used

15:04 to be like they would make a car version of their phone.

15:08 It was like, oh, this this company had Ferrari, this company had um Porsche

15:12 Lamborghini and McLaren, yeah.

15:15 And now they're all doing lens manufacturers and camera manufacturers.

15:19 They're like, Zeiss and Leica and Hasselblad.

15:23 Yeah, which is funny cuz I don't think

15:25 that most people know who these companies are.

15:28 Yeah, agreed.

15:30 Those companies might just need the extra money from licensing the most.

15:32 They should just go back to animate something.

15:34 do a Canon collab or something?

15:36 That'd be kind of crazy.

15:37 That would be

15:38 with Canon collab

15:39 a bad idea.

15:40 I think that's a good I think that's

15:41 a better idea than doing like Zeiss, to be honest.

15:45 Hm.

15:45 Like Zeiss would pull the photographer crowd, but if you want mainstream people,

15:50 Right.

15:50 regular people know what Canon is.

15:51 Yeah, it's like it's not like cars where everyone knows that a Ferrari is good,

15:54 but not everybody can like experience a Ferrari.

15:56 So they're like, "Oh, Ferrari, it must be a good collab." But with Zeiss,

16:00 people don't know that Zeiss is the Ferrari of lenses,

16:03 so they just kind of go,

16:04 "I don't know what that is." But if they see if they see a Canon

16:07 Yeah, or a Sony

16:10 sensors?

16:10 They don't make the sensor.

16:11 No, that's the thing.

16:11 Well, maybe that's the thing because everyone uses the Sony sensors,

16:14 they're not allowed to

16:15 Yeah, but Hasselblad doesn't make sensors either.

16:16 Sony made phones and they still stamp Zeiss on the back.

16:21 [laughter]

16:21 So like, I don't know.

16:22 They make the sensors for everyone,

16:23 but they still need that that clout, that name.

16:26 It's weird.

16:28 Anyway.

16:28 Anyway, um yeah, I think I'm probably going to go back to the Pro at some point.

16:31 The main problem is that the Pro feels like 4x bigger than it did before now.

16:36 Thicker.

16:36 Yeah, it's thick.

16:37 It feels so thick now and I'm like, "Damn, I miss

16:40 using the S25 Edge for a bit and then I

16:41 switched to the S26 Ultra and this thing feels massive.

16:44 I miss the Edge.

16:46 Yeah.

16:46 The Ultra even is thinner than previous Ultras,

16:48 so I'd pick up that Ultra and think it's thin,

16:50 but when you come from a thinner phone, it's just

16:53 Yeah.

16:52 it changes your life.

16:54 I never should have tried in the first place.

16:57 Yeah.

16:56 Uh speaking of Samsung, since Adam just said Samsung,

17:02 True.

17:01 we now have an alleged date for the Galaxy Z Fold 8 wide event.

17:07 Uh if you don't know what the Wide is,

17:08 it's basically Samsung trying to get to the wide boy before Apple does.

17:14 So

17:13 Remember how that happened with the thin phone?

17:16 Yeah.

17:15 exactly what happened with the S25 Edge.

17:17 There were rumors for an entire year and a half of an upcoming iPhone Air.

17:22 And so months earlier Samsung went, "Hey, check it out.

17:24 We made an ultra-thin phone first.

17:26 We were first.

17:27 We did it first." And they actually didn't ship it for a little while

17:30 after that, but they did announce it first and they did ship it first.

17:33 And now that there's rumors of this wide folding iPhone,

17:36 guess what Samsung's about to do?

17:38 Be second.

17:39 The exact same thing.

17:40 Actually, there's a couple of other wide phones already.

17:41 We actually used to have a bunch of these.

17:43 We had like Oppo This is also just the Pixel Fold here.

17:46 Yeah, I was going to say this is like peak Google

17:48 of like we had the thing everyone liked and then we're like,

17:51 "No, no, no, no, go change what everyone else Okay, cool.

17:53 We're on the same page." everyone loses

17:55 what they had.

17:56 Yeah.

17:56 Too ahead of their time.

17:57 Google's always ahead of their time.

17:59 Glasses.

18:00 Anyway, so according to a South Korean publication,

18:02 the next Galaxy Unpacked will be July 22nd in London,

18:06 where they will unveil the Z Fold 8 Wide.

18:08 And hopefully, it does not get canceled within 3 months like the you know,

18:13 the ultra-long one, the tri-fold.

18:15 Did you see though that weirdly, apparently,

18:17 you can you can buy tri-folds in the US

18:21 for a limited time till it like wipes out stock.

18:23 They're like reintroducing a bunch of ones that weren't for sale yet.

18:27 I think it like comes out the day this episode airs,

18:29 you can buy some or something.

18:30 I don't know.

18:30 I saw a Verge article like, "If you really want the tri-fold,

18:33 here's like the last of the stock that's coming to the US."

18:36 re-releasing the stock over there.

18:37 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

18:38 Which is funny that they canceled it and then you could buy it again.

18:42 Yeah.

18:43 [laughter]

18:42 This event will also probably release the standard Fold 8, which will, you know,

18:46 probably be the super thin one just like we saw with the Fold 7.

18:50 Um and then we've also been hearing rumors of an S27 Pro.

18:53 This is hilarious.

18:54 That's supposed to sit between the standard S27 and the S27 Ultra,

18:58 which is probably coming later.

18:59 not just the Plus?

19:02 Well,

19:02 They've oscillated.

19:03 So, the Plus they've like kind of down-tuned a little.

19:07 And the Ultra has I think it's It's resolution display.

19:10 It's a little bigger, bigger battery, or no, it might be the same battery.

19:14 Uh extra camera for the Ultra and just a couple of the smaller things.

19:19 So, the S Pen, which kind of made its

19:21 way into the Ultra when they killed the Note,

19:24 is not necessarily used by everyone who wants an Ultra.

19:27 So, maybe if you could spend a little less

19:28 on getting all the same stuff but not the pen,

19:30 it would make sense.

19:31 And this is classic Samsung.

19:33 Just like, we're going to offer every phone Every single

19:36 So, it's funny, the first thing I thought of when

19:38 I saw this is this is the Cadillac Vistiq of smartphones.

19:42 We all agree.

19:43 You know why?

19:44 I couldn't have said it better myself.

19:46 Because Cadillac made the Lyriq, which is like the S25 and S25 Plus.

19:50 They also made the Escalade,

19:51 which is the Escalade IQ is this enormous 200 kWh battery, 9,000 lb truck.

19:57 But they also made the Vistiq,

20:00 which is the same size as the Escalade but only a regular-sized battery.

20:04 So, you still get the three-row SUV,

20:06 but you don't have to carry around 3,000 extra pounds

20:08 of battery and spend the extra however many thousand dollars it costs.

20:11 So, you still get That's exactly what this is.

20:13 It's the processing and a different trim.

20:15 Cuz the Escalade is the big boy and it

20:18 has a massive battery and it's all about the massive,

20:22 you know, range and all that fun stuff.

20:23 The floor for that car needs to be high.

20:26 Yes.

20:27 Okay.

20:26 But like, what if you don't need that extra range and all

20:28 that extra weight and don't want to spend the extra 30 grand?

20:31 You make a new model.

20:32 That's where the Vistiq is.

20:33 That's exactly what this phone is.

20:34 S27 Pro, it's going to be the same size as the Ultra.

20:37 I just don't need to carry around that extra

20:39 S Pen and spend the extra money on it.

20:41 It's such a good analogy.

20:42 You guys aren't expecting this

20:45 I

20:44 great analogy in this moment.

20:46 by the Pro in this lineup.

20:48 Oh, it's just it's just Samsung has a phone

20:49 at every price and every possible buyer, so.

20:52 Will it have a bigger battery?

20:53 I wish, but probably not.

20:54 So, they're going to get rid of the S Pen and not give you a bigger battery.

20:57 Yeah, they're going to make it cheaper.

20:58 It's so funny Samsung hasn't done anything cool with their lineup

21:01 in the last like 3 years and they're like,

21:03 we got them this year.

21:04 Let's put one kind of in between

21:06 the kind of higher mid-range and the really flagship.

21:10 And now that will get everyone excited privacy display?

21:13 Probably not.

21:13 That's probably an ultra only feature.

21:15 I can see that.

21:15 So then what is this phone?

21:18 Cheaper.

21:18 It's an ultra but cheaper.

21:20 Which they kind of need to do because The ultra is $1250 or something.

21:24 Now it's more.

21:26 Wait, no.

21:26 Is it?

21:27 Wait, oh I think the higher

21:28 Doesn't it start at $1200?

21:30 Yeah, something like that.

21:32 Yeah.

21:31 Yeah, it's expensive.

21:33 What if it was going to be 1100?

21:35 1100.

21:35 I guess.

21:36 I guess.

21:36 That's all it is?

21:37 It's just a cheaper version.

21:38 That's crazy.

21:40 Yeah.

21:40 Well, you know, speaking of that, Samsung has quietly raised

21:43 their prices across almost all of the mobile devices that they sell.

21:47 Ooh, yeah.

21:48 Which is kind of crazy.

21:49 Um Samsung CEO, co-CEO TM Roh,

21:54 uh did say that no company would be immune

21:55 to the global memory shortage a quite a while ago and it

21:58 would be inevitable that Samsung would likely have to raise

22:01 their prices and now we're seeing the result of that.

22:03 What?

22:03 Samsung makes the memory?

22:05 Yeah, but I mean Yeah, but Samsung has a different to themselves.

22:09 Samsung wants to make its own money also.

22:11 Yeah, it's like it's like Samsung fab

22:14 is different than like Samsung the the mobile

22:16 How different?

22:18 I don't know.

22:18 Like they don't talk.

22:19 Fairly different.

22:20 They This has happened before with like LG and LG display where I was like I was

22:24 those are actually two separate entities.

22:26 the same It's the same effect and they they negotiate and contract with each

22:30 other and are suppliers of each other

22:31 and they have relationships with each other.

22:33 Really like the Samsung phones and the Sam like there's no shared ownership like

22:37 they're two in cuz LG and LG

22:38 displays are literally two separate companies, no relation.

22:44 Yep.

22:44 Yeah.

22:46 Yeah, it's unfortunate because you would think that they would talk

22:48 and you think that they would simply make the cheaper memory for themselves.

22:53 You'd think that many of these companies would talk.

22:55 Yeah.

22:55 They You do think that, but they don't.

22:56 Even if they're not um in the same exact way that LG display and LG aren't,

23:01 they are effectively separate.

23:02 A lot of this happens with Google.

23:04 I'll talk to Google and people in different

23:06 buildings at Google and different departments effectively never

23:08 communicate with each other in weird ways and I

23:10 wouldn't be shocked if this is the exact

23:11 Which is why like random apps get updated to support different things

23:14 and then they just don't have very obvious things with each other.

23:17 It's It's stupid.

23:18 Yeah.

23:19 Well, regardless, um Samsung has jacked up

23:21 the price of almost a dozen Galaxy phones

23:23 and tablets uh to up to $280 from as little as $40 to as high as $280.

23:31 The Z Fold 7 last week already had

23:33 its price increased by about $80 across models,

23:36 uh which makes the 1 TB model $2,500 and the 512 GB model $2,200.

23:43 Uh but now they're raising the price of pretty much all

23:45 the models except for the standard S26 series and the Ultra,

23:49 uh which It seems like so far.

23:52 I think that they're doing that because they're trying, you know,

23:54 that's their their most sold phones in the US

23:56 besides like the A series are the S20,

23:59 you know, the S26 Ultra and the main S26 series and also

24:02 they have those They have all the carrier partners with, you know,

24:05 Verizon and AT&T and whatnot.

24:07 I think they're trying to pad the margin on everything else.

24:10 So, most of their tablets went up in price.

24:12 Dude, the S11 Ultra 1 TB is the $280 jump?

24:17 That's crazy.

24:18 That's three went from 1619 to 1899.

24:22 For S26?

24:23 No, the S11 Ultra tablet.

24:26 The 1 TB version.

24:27 Went from what to what?

24:28 1619 to 1899.

24:30 280 bucks.

24:31 It honestly seems like the things they sell the least

24:33 amount of they raise the prices on the most.

24:36 So, I think they're just trying to figure out

24:38 how to pad the margin on on the perimeter.

24:41 It's going to be interesting to see if all

24:42 the other phone companies start jacking their prices up this year.

24:45 We haven't really seen that yet.

24:46 This is kind of the first

24:47 I heard the memory crisis was almost over.

24:52 Yeah, I mean, there was a thing with like OpenAI it actually

24:55 purchase all the memory and it started to go down a little bit,

24:58 but apparently it's still a major problem.

25:00 It's definitely still a problem,

25:01 but maybe with a maybe with a light at the end of the tunnel.

25:05 Sure, the variability of it is a major problem.

25:08 Maybe there's a light at the end of the tunnel now,

25:09 but who knows who's going to screw something up any day now.

25:13 Yeah.

25:13 By the time between us recording and this coming out,

25:15 it could change

25:17 dramatically.

25:17 What could happen?

25:18 True.

25:18 Uh speaking of companies not really talking to to to themselves, uh Andrew,

25:22 do you want to take us through this Google back button hijacking

25:25 I am very passionate about this article because

25:29 it's something that This feels like Google made

25:32 their own version of did they even test

25:33 this and then realized it and then were like,

25:35 "We should fix this." So,

25:37 Do you know what

25:38 I've never heard the term before, but back button hijacking is

25:41 I think I understand it now.

25:42 Yes, I think everyone's dealt with it,

25:44 whether it's like clicked in your head of what's going on, but essentially

25:48 I had never heard of this before you explained it to me.

25:50 But then I explained it and you can like remember a time it's happened

25:53 Everyone's experienced it.

25:54 Yeah, exactly.

25:55 It's like when you go to usually more sketchy websites,

25:58 the if you click in from like a Google search result,

26:01 you realize that's not the page you want to be on, and you click back,

26:03 and you wind up at the page you were at already, and you click back again,

26:06 and you're still at the same page,

26:07 and you click back again, and you're still at the same page.

26:09 If you wind up holding that back button,

26:12 you'll see this big cuz that's like when you show your whole history of back,

26:15 you'll notice there are like four or five pages

26:18 between you and the search result you came from.

26:21 And that's back button hijacking.

26:22 There's a bunch of different ways to do it.

26:24 It's a tool that was made for like actually really specific things.

26:29 I think someone described like if you're in Gmail and you're

26:32 inside of a email and you want to click back,

26:35 it should take you still to the Gmail URL, but in your inbox instead.

26:39 That's what it's meant to do,

26:40 but people can do that to bring it to a super fast-loading redirect direct link.

26:45 So,

26:45 that a lot.

26:45 if you're on Allrecipes, and you go back,

26:47 it's going to just whip you to Allrecipes again.

26:49 Um

26:50 So annoying.

26:50 have to just like mash the back button like seven times to defeat it.

26:53 Or hold it down and come up to I mean I think most people just close the tab

26:57 and start Google searching again cuz that's the easiest

26:59 way of doing it and it is infuriating.

27:02 Yeah.

27:02 So, finally Google is now going to consider this a malicious

27:07 practice and if it finds your website is partaking in those practices,

27:10 you could be listed as spam which

27:12 will impact your performance in search results.

27:15 Um The funniest part of the whole release of this is

27:18 they said they've noticed a rise in this behavior.

27:21 This has been going on for like 10 years.

27:25 There's no There's no way now there's a rise in this behavior.

27:28 Probably because less people are going to websites

27:30 cuz it's all getting scraped from Google app.

27:32 Honestly, probably Gemini started getting pissed

27:34 when it was trying to back after

27:35 scraping all the It kept scraping the same thing over and over again,

27:38 but like I'm not going to be mad.

27:41 Late is better than never,

27:43 but this should have been fixed a really, really long time ago.

27:46 But thank you for finally fixing they're doing some spring cleaning, you know.

27:50 Yeah.

27:50 Somebody in like the 70th Google building on the corner

27:52 logged in one day and was like, "I can fix this."

27:54 Or [laughter] yeah, he found like that post-it

27:56 note that's buried on his desk that's like,

27:58 "Fix back button hijacking." When did I write 5 years ago?

28:01 [laughter]

28:02 12 years ago.

28:03 Yeah.

28:03 Yeah.

28:03 That's it, but thank you.

28:04 Speaking of something that has gotten an update

28:07 that I had hoped got updated a long time ago.

28:11 Yes.

28:12 Yeah.

28:12 Yes.

28:12 Nailed it.

28:13 Uh new GoPros.

28:15 This is like a blast from the You guys remember GoPro?

28:18 Yeah.

28:19 Yeah.

28:18 Yeah.

28:19 They're still around.

28:20 They They help you go pro.

28:22 They well, cuz they've been Their lunch has been

28:24 eaten by Insta360 and DJI in the past couple years,

28:26 yeah, but they're still around making action cameras, making 360 cameras.

28:30 And they came out with this new camera called the Mission One.

28:35 It's kind of interesting.

28:36 We love these tiny action cameras for being

28:39 in the corner of a car or being in like

28:42 the the mounted on the outside of the car or like

28:44 a small space where it's kind of a crash cam.

28:46 If it falls off, it's fine,

28:48 but it's just sort of an extra angle that you

28:49 can get because this camera is so small and versatile.

28:52 But, the quality is not that great, typically.

28:56 It's good enough, but it's not amazing.

28:58 So, the Mission One is a new camera that is a larger 1-in sensor,

29:02 and the entire thing is built around being a cinema-grade, like, proper camera.

29:07 Now, all of this is dependent on the footage actually looking good,

29:11 but this is everything I ever wanted from a GoPro.

29:13 It frees them up to keep making the Hero like an action cam, a crash cam.

29:18 But, now with this larger sensor,

29:19 they've made like an interchangeable lens mount version.

29:22 They've made a bunch of accessories where you can,

29:25 you know, plug in um extra memory.

29:27 You can plug in microphones.

29:29 You can pair all sorts of things to the GoPro.

29:32 It makes it a much more I don't want to say RX100,

29:35 but like a cinema version of an RX100.

29:37 it's riggable.

29:38 Like, you can

29:40 They showed me a bunch of accessories for it,

29:42 a cage for it, a bunch of uh underwater shooting accessories.

29:46 Uh it'll shoot 8K open gate, so four by the whole sensor.

29:50 It's It's a really convincing set of specs.

29:53 So, I would like to use it and verify that the footage actually looks better.

29:57 But, they showed me some footage that they essentially

30:00 They have rigged this thing up like with huge lenses

30:03 and a cage and mics and everything and shot

30:04 like really good-looking stuff with it, so I'm I'm curious.

30:08 They have my attention.

30:09 The one that most people are interested in is the ILS,

30:11 which is interchangeable lens system version.

30:13 It takes Micro Four Thirds lenses.

30:16 Um which is very interesting.

30:18 Now, obviously, Micro Four Thirds lenses are the small

30:21 pretty much the smallest lenses that you can get,

30:23 you know, and uh so, they are, you know,

30:25 still small, but on a GoPro, they they still look huge.

30:29 [laughter]

30:29 Yeah.

30:30 [clears throat]

30:31 So, yeah, it's weird.

30:31 I don't know when I would want to rig up My My example of when this could

30:35 be awesome is we shoot inside a car

30:37 and the car windshield has like a super low rake,

30:40 so you can't fit like a Komodo or something in there.

30:42 You could fit a little GoPro with like a 70 mil or a 50 mil lens on it.

30:48 Yeah.

30:48 Could be great.

30:49 I guess so.

30:51 Maybe.

30:51 It's interesting but the the weird thing about it is that the lens

30:53 mount for Micro Four Thirds that they have doesn't have any contacts.

30:57 So it can't do autofocus.

30:59 Yes.

30:59 Which is very weird.

31:00 If you have to have all the cameras that just

31:02 focusing at an infinity or focusing at a very specific distance.

31:06 Yeah.

31:07 Which is

31:07 That kind of sucks.

31:08 That's true of the Komodo.

31:10 I mean the Komodo has autofocus but we always just manual focus.

31:12 at least you're like carrying that camera and you can just like rack focus.

31:15 But if you if this is mounted in a car or on the side of a car.

31:19 Yeah, in the corner.

31:19 You have to like set the focus very specifically and then

31:22 what happens if it like changes and I don't know.

31:25 It's strange.

31:25 Is there is there focus peaking?

31:27 Are there like assists in the camera?

31:30 Probably.

31:29 Most likely and they'll they have like a lot

31:32 of very capable software things already built in.

31:35 So I wouldn't be shocked if they added more over time

31:36 but like I think it shoots 8K 60 or 4K 240.

31:42 Yeah.

31:42 Uh which there's not a lot of other cameras that do that period.

31:45 I'm I'm kind of interested [clears throat] because as someone who really

31:47 likes shooting uh vintage like 16 mm and 8 mm film lenses.

31:53 Um like uh the Micro Four Thirds standard is

31:57 like really easy to adapt vintage vintage glass to.

32:00 And if the GoPro has a 1-in sensor yeah.

32:03 This might actually be like the best vintage glass rig possible.

32:08 Could be interesting.

32:09 Especially if there are focus assists cuz it's really hard to find

32:12 affordable Micro Four Thirds cameras that have focus assists in them.

32:17 Yeah.

32:17 Yeah, pretty different.

32:18 I I think I saw something that said like this is the first time

32:20 in 22 years that they have released a GoPro that is not under the Hero line.

32:25 Yeah.

32:25 Which is crazy.

32:25 So it's a big jump for them.

32:26 They needed it cuz they were like on the verge of bankruptcy.

32:29 So hopefully this is successful for them.

32:32 They're also releasing a new wireless lav mic

32:35 set that looks almost identical to the DJI ones.

32:39 it's a necessity.

32:40 They have to do that.

32:42 Like that is the best part about the action cam

32:44 is that you can just plug those DJI mics in.

32:46 Like this turns into a camera that you could buy starting

32:50 out trying to make some sort of a YouTube channel for content.

32:53 This could be an awesome vlog camera.

32:55 All of this is the asterisk of like does the footage actually look good?

32:57 But this could be a great vlog camera.

32:59 Yeah, maybe.

33:00 Yeah, the sad part about these mics is that they

33:01 do not do 32-bit float like the DJI ones do.

33:05 So, got it.

33:06 There's so many so many asterisks necessary there.

33:11 Yeah.

33:10 I forget the exact thing,

33:11 but it's just like all of those wireless mics

33:13 are like we do 32-bit float if you stand on one leg and put your hand over

33:17 your head and and use them in exactly this workflow.

33:20 Okay.

33:22 moon.

33:22 Yeah, it is like

33:23 Got it.

33:23 Yeah, it's it's nonsense.

33:25 Okay.

33:25 Well, yeah, that should be interesting.

33:27 I mean, did you already got them in, right?

33:28 I saw you took a photo of it.

33:29 So, they brought them here.

33:30 They showed them to us.

33:32 I got to handle them for an hour and then they left and they're like,

33:35 "Trust me, we'll send you one." So, I'm like, "Yes, please let me try them.

33:38 I want to shoot 8K 60 log 30 FPS open gate

33:42 in my in a handheld camera." Like that just sounds awesome.

33:46 So, hopefully soon.

33:47 I can't wait for the autofocus video with you using these.

33:50 Yeah, I could shoot an autofocus video with it.

33:51 I can't wait till Ellis is walking around Brooklyn with his vintage glass on it.

33:57 [laughter] The newest GoPro taking photos and looking cool.

33:59 When you get one in, I'll order a a a micro 4/3 to C-mount adapter

34:04 and I'll 3D print something goofy and I

34:07 will I will make the the vintage GoPro camera.

34:10 It seems perfect for that.

34:11 They showed me they showed an accessory.

34:14 Is that what you mean?

34:15 Oh, no, they showed me they had adapted to PL mount.

34:18 [laughter] What?

34:19 And they put a massive cinema lens on it for some reason.

34:22 a 30X crop factor.

34:23 Some insane What do you mean for some reason?

34:24 That's awesome.

34:25 It's so tiny.

34:26 If you're going to rig that much up,

34:28 you might as well throw like a Komodo in the back.

34:30 mm is going to be like a 120 equivalent on that thing.

34:33 Do we know the price?

34:35 Yeah.

34:35 No.

34:35 We don't.

34:38 say.

34:36 Um I can do my best guessing job.

34:39 I think it'll be under 1,000.

34:40 I think it'll be over the current

34:42 A current GoPro post-tariff pricing is like 400 something dollars, right?

34:47 This might be the greatest vintage glass camera of all.

34:50 Dude, if if straight up if there's like focus

34:52 peaking and magnification in it for like Oh my god.

34:58 [laughter] Yeah.

34:59 So you don't have to

35:00 Hipster eras has peaked.

35:02 Yeah.

35:02 If you want to do this with an actual Micro Four Thirds camera,

35:05 like you don't get those features until you're spending

35:07 like $900 on a used camera, which is like

35:10 Yeah.

35:10 kind of defeats the point.

35:11 Anyway, sorry.

35:12 Uh another quick story.

35:13 Google randomly released this new spotlight for Windows application,

35:19 which is actually quite cool.

35:20 Uh it's a little floating window that pops up when you use a keyboard shortcut.

35:25 Broadcast.

35:27 And and you can ask it for a context about your screen.

35:29 It can do screen recordings.

35:30 You can use Google Lens to sort of drag

35:32 your cursor over something and it'll Google it for you.

35:35 It can access files on your computer and it

35:38 can access files in your Google Drive all at once.

35:42 Mhm.

35:41 So it's kind of like this cool hybrid like on-device and also

35:45 in-cloud little pop-up box that you could just call at any time.

35:50 Dare I say, this is just a

35:54 [laughter]

35:53 This is just a better version of Copilot is like what I was thinking.

35:56 Yeah, I was going to say this is kind of fire.

35:57 If this I don't have a Chromebook, but I want most of the nice parts of

36:01 more people use like Google Drive than use OneDrive.

36:06 Exactly.

36:05 And this only works on Windows, so.

36:07 There's like Google co-work.

36:09 Kind of like cloud co-work, but Google-ified.

36:11 Well, it can't really do things for you,

36:13 But you said it could like reach into Drive and local files.

36:16 Yeah, it can search.

36:17 Oh, it can only search?

36:18 So you can't like copy it from one place to another or like manipulate things.

36:21 you can.

36:22 Can you tell it to like rename a bunch of files in your downloads folder?

36:24 That's like the classic

36:25 co-work example.

36:26 It doesn't have like autonomous like it can't do things for you autonomously.

36:30 When I say like you can access those files,

36:32 it's like you you do a search and it's like a universal

36:36 search that goes between your desktop and also your Google Drive.

36:39 It's still handy.

36:41 Um and it's quite cool.

36:42 And it's cool that just like floats to the side

36:44 and you can just like invoke it with a keyboard shortcut.

36:47 So I don't know why they made this or why they made this now.

36:51 Super random, but it's very cool and I wish they had it for

36:55 Have you ever tried to search for a local file on a Windows computer?

36:57 That that's why they made it.

36:59 Yeah, just why in 2026?

37:01 That's been a problem for like 30 years.

37:03 Can they make search in Gmail better?

37:04 Yeah, I was going to say this company's

37:06 good at some search and bad at some search.

37:08 Yeah, I you know what I really want?

37:11 On mobile version of Gmail, there's the all mail function.

37:14 They do not have that on the desktop and you

37:16 have to like keep changing your accounts over and over again.

37:19 It's so annoying.

37:20 Anyway, I would love that.

37:22 Unless you have side-by-side browser windows open.

37:24 Like a king.

37:27 [laughter] Like a king.

37:28 I want to hit you with the dumbest headline I saw today.

37:30 Hit me.

37:32 You all talked about it before.

37:32 I was trying to keep this a secret, but it sounds like half of you heard this.

37:35 Uh so struggling shoe retailer Allbirds makes bizarre pivot from shoes to AI.

37:40 Stock explodes more than 700%.

37:43 700%?

37:43 Did you hear about this this morning when they were talking about

37:45 Okay, cool.

37:46 That's that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

37:47 So Allbirds is pivoting from shoes to AI.

37:49 They're going to sell off their shoe assets

37:52 to American Exchange Group for 39 million dollars.

37:56 They quote they are going to pivot its business to AI compute infrastructure

38:01 with a long-term vision to become a fully integrated GPU as a service GPUaaS.

38:07 This is

38:08 There's more.

38:09 There's more.

38:09 April Fools' Day this year?

38:10 No, everything I said had to have a line that said this is real.

38:15 [laughter]

38:14 It says an AI native cloud solutions provider in connection

38:17 with this pivot the company anticipates changing its names to New Bird AI.

38:21 New Bird [laughter]

38:22 This reads strikingly like an April Fool's Day joke.

38:26 This really reads like an AI.

38:27 Look at the stock chart.

38:29 Wow.

38:29 Holy crap.

38:30 So, they also

38:31 The Onion?

38:32 Because of this pivot,

38:33 they proposed to their shareholders if they could remove all references

38:38 to the company being operated for the environmental conservation public benefit.

38:42 Oh my Imagine saying that out loud.

38:45 This reads Now Now are you sure it's not The Onion?

38:47 Cuz that's

38:48 like, "We're out of a job."

38:50 Crazy.

38:51 Wait, so they're selling the shoe company?

38:53 They're selling all their shoe assets.

38:54 To who?

38:55 Uh American Exchange Group.

38:57 The shoe assets No, just like the shoes and the designs and IP.

39:01 the rest of the shoe

39:01 still going to be sold under Allbirds?

39:04 It sound They're changing their name to Newbird AI.

39:07 the shoes will be Old Birds.

39:09 This is the biggest it game plan I've ever [laughter] seen.

39:13 Like, they thought that they were going to be

39:14 a tech company because they were selling products to tech people,

39:18 but it wasn't really tech,

39:20 and then they've just been in Silicon Valley so long they're like, "Fuck it."

39:23 From the articles I read, it basically was like,

39:25 "Our evaluation when we IPO'd was like 4 billion,

39:29 and now it's so so so so so much less than that that they're like,

39:33 'We need to do something else because we're IPO'd and we have to please

39:37 They IPO'd at 1,000 Wait, that that can't be right.

39:41 That's $1 million a share.

39:43 I don't know enough about the stock market,

39:44 but I do think 4 billion is a maybe a little bit silly for a shoe company.

39:48 That is so crazy.

39:48 I mean Well, they're not a shoe company.

39:50 Do you remember when Allbirds first came out?

39:51 They were

39:53 They were so hyped.

39:54 Everyone Yes.

39:55 Yeah.

39:55 Yeah, but they were

39:56 valuation of 2.2 to 4 billion dollars when they IPO'd in 2021.

40:00 I'm just Googling how much Nike is worth right now.

40:02 67 billion.

40:05 Damn.

40:08 [laughter]

40:09 Okay, I guess that is pretty good.

40:10 Dude, Allbirds were ever so hyped.

40:13 Everyone loved them.

40:13 Are the shoes on sale right now?

40:16 Apparently through American exchange, whatever.

40:20 Well, rip to

40:21 Your new Your new Allbirds come with a GP Actually, they don't.

40:23 You have to pay with a GPU so they can put it in their infrastructure.

40:26 And people still say we're not in a bubble.

40:29 Let's see how this go Let's see how this goes for them.

40:31 This may age incredibly poorly.

40:33 I mean, honestly, maybe GoPro should have done the same thing.

40:36 You know what I mean?

40:36 It's like if you're going to sink,

40:38 you might as well become an AI company before you sink.

40:41 so.

40:41 Yeah.

40:42 Just paint AI over your company and hope that it changes.

40:45 They already have the first two letters.

40:47 They got the G and the P, you know, in GoPro.

40:49 We're just the U over there.

40:51 GoPro universe.

40:52 GoPro universe.

40:54 Yeah.

40:54 That could be their um Good for them.

40:56 their online crypto.

40:56 I guess.

40:57 Yeah.

40:58 Yeah.

40:58 That's crazy.

40:59 Get your bag.

41:00 The company's not going to die.

41:01 They're straight up just asking if we can remove all references that we

41:05 care about the environment is a wild thing to put out in the public.

41:09 really say you do when you just run a GPU farm.

41:12 [laughter]

41:12 It's not really compatible.

41:14 Hey, hey.

41:15 What if you like heated your pool with it or something?

41:17 Then, you know, technically you're removing

41:19 Isn't that what Linus did in one of his videos?

41:21 I think he he He He cooled his is the other way around.

41:24 He cooled his computers off with the pool water, correct?

41:28 Oh.

41:28 Yeah.

41:28 It wouldn't be that crazy to heat your pool with a

41:31 that's that's the same thing.

41:32 That's not Yeah, then the pool water goes back into the pool and it's warmer.

41:35 Yeah.

41:35 Yeah, the difference it would make to the pool versus

41:37 the differences it would make to the ocean temperatures is

41:39 I don't know.

41:39 Depends on how many computers you got.

41:42 Damn.

41:42 Heat the oceans.

41:43 All right.

41:45 [laughter] Uh we're going to take a break.

41:46 We'll be back with some updates from the last year

41:49 that all have lots of updates that we can tell you about.

41:52 So, it's going to be fun.

41:53 But first, you know what doesn't get updated that we do every single week?

41:58 Trivia.

42:00 Dude.

42:01 Guys, we're pivoting the podcast.

42:02 No.

42:03 [laughter]

42:04 Guys, we all know GoPro for its Hero

42:08 and now Mission line of little tiny cameras.

42:12 But from 2016 to 2018, GoPro briefly entered this adjacent product category.

42:19 What is it?

42:20 What What was the year timeline?

42:22 2016 to 2018.

42:23 It didn't go well, and they stopped.

42:25 Oh, I think I might have had that product.

42:28 GoPro entered?

42:29 GoPro entered, and then promptly left.

42:32 Shoes.

42:34 Yeah.

42:34 [laughter] Hmm.

42:35 Allbirds.

42:36 GPU compute.

42:37 Huh.

42:37 Okay.

42:38 All right.

42:39 GPUs.

42:39 Well, we'll think about it.

42:40 blast from the past, kind of like the rest of this episode.

42:42 Yeah.

42:42 Answers will be at the end, like usual.

42:44 We'll be right back.

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43:55 All right, welcome back.

43:56 Welcome to this segment where we mostly talk about things that may

44:01 sound familiar because they're updates

44:03 to things that we've previously talked about.

44:05 This segment is called circling back.

44:08 Wow, wow, wow.

44:10 RE my last conversation.

44:12 We're not even sure if it's going to be a segment,

44:14 but that's too good of a name, so it's now a segment.

44:16 Even if it's just a one-time segment.

44:17 Per my last email.

44:18 All right.

44:19 First up, uh we talked about Khaby Lame's near billion-dollar deal,

44:25 something about he was like selling his company and his image

44:29 for unlimited use to turn into like an AI likeness.

44:34 Yeah.

44:34 Content generator version of himself or something for a billion dollars.

44:37 Yep.

44:39 Um we were a little skeptical because they promised to make like

44:42 hundreds of millions of dollars off of his likeness in like no time.

44:46 Turned out we were right to be skeptical.

44:50 Yeah.

44:49 Uh they they essentially paid him in stock

44:52 and then obviously all those headlines go out,

44:54 the stock price goes up and then shortly after

44:58 crashes and is I don't want to say worthless now,

45:01 but I think you understand the risk of a all

45:04 stock deal when they're promising you billions of dollars like that.

45:07 It was a rug pull.

45:08 It's very similar to what happens in crypto coins.

45:12 Yeah.

45:11 Where they basically like IPO'd it and then they merged like his image as a new

45:16 company and then a ton of fans bought a ton of stock because they're like, "Oh,

45:20 they're going to make hundreds of billions of dollars." And then

45:23 all of a sudden the the price completely correct collapsed,

45:26 uh which means that the company probably had most of the stock.

45:30 And probably sold it all.

45:32 Yeah.

45:32 Sold it all.

45:35 And

45:33 now Khaby Lame doesn't own his likeness or have any of the stock.

45:40 No, but he might have made the money.

45:41 We're not really sure.

45:42 That's the tough part about all the rug loses, yeah.

45:45 He might have been the rug pull.

45:46 It is a weird thing that were lots of company uh you don't know for sure,

45:49 but lots of companies tag onto people with a lot

45:52 of influence and then rug pull under them

45:54 because then that person with influence as the public-facing

45:57 person gets to they get all they get shot.

46:01 Yeah, nobody's talking about rich people sparkle holdings.

46:04 Yeah, even though they probably should be.

46:06 [laughter] Everything's a scam these days.

46:07 Pretty much.

46:08 Everything's a scam.

46:09 If someone offers you a billion dollars for your likeness,

46:11 maybe think a little bit more about that.

46:14 If you're getting offered more than the highest contract in the MLB,

46:18 there's probably something wrong with that.

46:19 He does have more followers than that person.

46:23 True.

46:22 Is that um

46:24 Juan Soto?

46:25 do this.

46:26 What's his You're thinking Shohei.

46:28 Yeah, Shohei Ohtani.

46:29 Is Juan Soto?

46:31 Sports.

46:31 Juan Soto?

46:33 Yeah.

46:33 765 million?

46:34 I only know cuz I reference it every time a company

46:36 gets sold.

46:37 No, no, no, no.

46:37 Over 10-ish years.

46:39 No, Shohei was a billion.

46:41 Was Shohei's bigger?

46:41 Or but didn't Shohei's have like a bunch I don't know.

46:45 Juan Soto's was after maybe?

46:47 I just use Juan Soto's because there's lots of tech

46:49 companies that get sold for less money than Juan Soto's making.

46:53 That's crazy.

46:53 And that's hilarious.

46:55 Wow.

46:55 Juan Soto should buy Apple.

46:57 Speaking of scams.

47:00 As you said.

47:00 Um yeah.

47:01 NZXT and their flex PC rentals, do you remember that at all?

47:06 Yes.

47:06 That's a fun one.

47:07 Um Gamers Nexus investigation into that.

47:09 Exactly.

47:10 If you really want everything that happened here,

47:12 there's about 7 hours of footage from Gamers Nexus.

47:15 That is really, really interesting.

47:17 But really quick TLDR,

47:18 2024 NZXT was renting out computers on a subscription based uh basis.

47:24 The weird thing about it was one,

47:26 when you you didn't buy the computer outright

47:28 when you got to the price of the computer.

47:30 That was crazy.

47:31 Some of the times you would switch from buying

47:33 the computer to renting the computer on their website,

47:36 it would change the specs without really noticing.

47:38 So you could get a worse computer.

47:40 Yeah.

47:40 And then they had a bunch of uh like promotions and integrations

47:43 where I don't know if they told the people to say

47:45 this, but somebody was saying something like you could rent this computer

47:49 and then win a Fortnite tournament and then buy a computer.

47:52 Like it's it's like one of those like it's basically making you money.

47:56 You're losing money by not doing it.

47:58 Really, really sketchy.

48:01 Borderline scammy if not a total scam.

48:04 Um, but they just reached a settlement um, for 3.4 million dollars, I think.

48:12 3.45 million dollars.

48:13 Essentially, in the lawsuit, it's saying that uh,

48:17 people who are getting collected debt from, which apparently some of the in uh,

48:22 except apparently some of the instances were like people actually

48:25 paid and they still have debt collectors coming at them.

48:27 So, it just sounds like this the company

48:29 that they're working with, I forget the name in here,

48:31 uh, is doing it really poorly.

48:33 So, some people who are paying,

48:34 they're going to get money back from the settlement.

48:36 And then some people who were paying for over two years,

48:40 they're saying get to own the computer outright.

48:44 Yeah.

48:44 Um, and the weird thing is though, NZXT is still offering some rental programs.

48:47 They've changed a couple of things in it, but it still seems really sketchy.

48:51 Don't rent a computer.

48:53 It's stupid.

48:53 It also if you're renting a computer,

48:56 the computers change so much that's going to be like obsolete

48:59 by the time you don't even get to pay it off.

49:02 I don't even know what's going on.

49:04 Rent-A-Center's entire, you know, entire point.

49:07 That's the reason that was basically a scam, too.

49:09 Yeah.

49:10 So.

49:10 Yeah, go watch the Gamers Nexus video for the whole thing on this, but um,

49:13 NZXT that sucks, though.

49:16 This is extra lame because they were tar- I mean,

49:18 if you're talking about you could win

49:20 a Fortnite tournament and then buy your own computer,

49:22 they're probably kind of targeting 15-year-olds.

49:24 You know, it's like kids who probably don't

49:27 have enough money to buy a gaming PC.

49:30 And then they entice you with this idea of like

49:32 you could win this thing that you play all

49:34 the time and then you could buy it yourself and then

49:36 you don't have any money and like That's super predatory.

49:39 And also by doing that is like when you look

49:41 at a computer at first that's maybe close to your price range,

49:44 maybe it's like $1,200,

49:45 then you go to the rental version which is showing a monthly payment.

49:48 Then you're like, oh, I can bump up the the on this a little bit.

49:50 It's It's only changing my rental price

49:52 a couple dollars a month and then it's not

49:54 that far off from like car payments at this point

49:56 like tacking on extra trim levels and stuff.

49:59 So, but when you're targeting Fortnite players,

50:01 which we all know is a certain age group, Yeah.

50:04 you're targeting the most vulnerable part of that.

50:06 Yeah, very lame.

50:07 But good

50:09 Super lame.

50:08 that um this lawsuit went through.

50:10 So, I'm glad that people are getting their money back.

50:13 Agreed.

50:13 Do you want to do the uh

50:14 Yeah.

50:15 Yeah, next one we This was only a few weeks ago that this happened,

50:17 but um you know, things in this administration change very quickly.

50:21 We didn't know why, but the Pentagon

50:25 decided to ban all routers from being imported

50:29 into the US in the future uh that were not made in America, which was really

50:33 So, all routers?

50:35 So, all routers.

50:37 Yeah.

50:37 Practically.

50:37 Maybe not Cisco, but they're probably still assembled in Vietnam or something.

50:41 Um yeah, so we don't really know why, but just today the FCC gave Net or I guess

50:46 yesterday the FCC gave Netgear conditional approval to import future routers,

50:51 modems, and gateways into the US through October 1st of 2027.

50:55 Netgear has not announced any plans to bring

50:57 its manufacturing to the United States um

51:00 and the Pentagon has stated that such devices

51:02 do not pose risk to the US national security.

51:06 Uh so, Pete Hoekstra, why did you ban them in the first place?

51:09 Tell me that.

51:10 You know what's funny?

51:12 Netgear was one of the main targets of the the Chinese hacking group attack.

51:17 Yeah.

51:16 That was because a bunch of people did a really

51:18 bad job of updating the security issues with it,

51:21 but Netgear is like the whole the the router that got

51:25 hacked in the whole thing they're referencing for doing the banning list.

51:29 Right.

51:30 And they said it wasn't like explicitly Netgear's fault because it was

51:33 some like ISP firmware thing that happened to go through the router.

51:36 I think it was just a lacking of updating a security measure in the routers.

51:41 Um so, I'm not saying this was a bribe, but I'm not saying it wasn't a bribe.

51:48 Just going to say

51:49 not saying it.

51:49 I'm not not saying it.

51:51 Allegedly.

51:51 Do you know what email I did get this morning?

51:54 What?

51:54 From Netgear.

51:55 It says, "Netgear is the first retail

51:57 consumer router company to receive conditional approval

51:59 from the FCC." And then a whole thing

52:01 about how um they're the first-ever retail customer First-ever approval.

52:06 2 weeks ago when this first changed.

52:08 Yeah, the FCC called for a stronger safety and security standards.

52:11 This aligns with our security-first approach, and

52:15 That's like when businesses like put outside their business established 2026,

52:18 and you're like, "Okay." [laughter]

52:21 That doesn't really help.

52:22 Um

52:23 Yeah, so

52:24 Yeah, the funny thing about that, most people

52:26 that got that email probably don't even know what happened.

52:28 They probably don't even know that the routers got banned,

52:31 cuz you've got to be pretty in the weeds to know that the Pentagon

52:34 decided to ban routers that were coming from not the United States.

52:38 So, we'll see if this extends to more router companies.

52:42 Um it would be very strange if Netgear was the only

52:44 company allowed to sell routers in the United States in the future.

52:47 Given they are probably one of the larger router manufacturers in the US unless

52:51 you're a big gamer that can afford this and can buy like a ASUS,

52:56 you know, whatever the

52:58 the spider one.

52:59 Yeah, the one that looks like a spider.

53:01 So, I don't know.

53:03 It's weird.

53:04 All right, we got one more that is

53:06 a it's a far callback to a very early episode.

53:09 Yeah, but I think arguably one of the biggest things despite

53:11 it sounding like it has absolutely nothing to do with tech.

53:14 John Deere just settled for a 99 million-dollar lawsuit over right to repair.

53:20 Which was one of our first-ever bonus episodes.

53:24 Was it really?

53:24 Right to repair episode where we talked to John

53:26 Deere and a couple of right to repair advocates.

53:28 Yeah, John Deere's like this thing where in the tech

53:30 world doesn't feel like it has anything to do with us,

53:32 but they are just right to repair hates John

53:36 Deere because of all the stuff that they do.

53:38 Um so, this is obviously much larger.

53:41 $99 million to farmers in a class action lawsuit that accuses them

53:44 of preventing farmers or mechanics from being able to repair their equipment.

53:48 Um With the new lawsuit, John Deere is going to make repair resources

53:52 This is where I was a little confused.

53:53 Available for 10 years based on a license or subscriptions, which What?

53:58 sounds like not the best way of doing this.

54:02 Interesting.

54:01 Um I'm not totally sure how that's working out,

54:03 but um they have agreed to allow owners and shops to run

54:06 diagnostics on equipment while in offline mode by the end of the year.

54:10 Which is huge because previously what you had to do if you were a farmer who

54:13 had a giant tractor break is bring it to an authorized dealer to get it fixed.

54:18 Which is probably very far away from your farm.

54:20 From your farm and the equipment you're bringing in is probably um heavy.

54:25 And it has to be during business hours.

54:27 It has to be like there have to be people there that know how to fix it.

54:29 It's probably going to take them at least a week to fix it.

54:31 And I remember talking to some farmers about

54:33 this and they were like it would just throw

54:34 like the most basic system error that like

54:37 I should be able to fix with a wrench.

54:40 But because I I can't access the firmware, I can't do anything to it.

54:44 And it was a it was a whole thing.

54:46 Yeah, and you need to get it like towed to the nearest retailer.

54:48 Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

54:50 But the lawsuit was filed in 2022 and while the settlement's not perfect,

54:53 this still in the right to repair world has got to be one of the biggest wins,

54:58 whether it's a perfect win or not.

54:59 Probably [snorts] one of the biggest wins in the battle of right to repair.

55:04 Yeah, I'm curious what the details of that like

55:06 subscription to be able to fix your thing.

55:08 My first thought was do just some different non- authorized retailers can they

55:13 like buy a subscription to access different parts if they're not the owner?

55:17 So like maybe different cuz it mentions mechanics.

55:20 So maybe there are mechanics that aren't authorized

55:22 and maybe they can somehow pay to have

55:25 subscriptions or licenses for repairing equipment so

55:28 it doesn't have to be only specific ones.

55:31 Yeah.

55:30 Not totally sure, but

55:32 Yeah, this is one of those things that you

55:33 don't really realize has been like completely upended by technology.

55:37 You know, tractors and farming in general have been like they use a lot

55:42 of AI stuff now to detect what's a weed and what's a crop.

55:45 And it's to the point where like you kind of have

55:48 to use this stuff because if you're using traditional equipment,

55:51 it's going to be you're going to be way way way

55:53 behind in the amount amount of stuff that you can harvest.

55:56 But at the same time, you have no control.

55:58 You're basically selling your soul to like a giant farming company

56:02 that allows you to use this stuff and you can't fix it yourself.

56:05 So, it's like a it's catch-22.

56:07 It's very annoying.

56:08 Yeah.

56:08 And hopefully fixed soon.

56:09 And I hope it the legal precedent extends to like other sort of industries.

56:15 I I've been hearing a lot that like things like cement mixers

56:19 or weed whackers are also slightly different

56:22 because it's not like they're using AI,

56:23 but it's like it's the same thing where

56:24 it's like there's no reason these things are not

56:27 repairable other than the companies who make them

56:30 refuse to sell spare parts at a fair price.

56:33 Mhm.

56:34 Yeah.

56:35 Yeah.

56:35 Sounds about right.

56:35 I mean, we talked a couple years ago

56:37 Apple started selling like their own parts repair kits.

56:40 And at first it was like a large large

56:43 heavy box that like made it very difficult to use,

56:46 but they've gotten better over time.

56:47 So, we still have the New York laws that were

56:49 passed a couple years ago about right to repair.

56:51 So, I think we're we're going we're getting there.

56:53 President More precedents that get set the better.

56:56 Yeah.

56:56 That episode was so long ago.

56:57 I don't even think Ellis was here yet.

56:59 And I don't think so.

57:01 Nope.

57:00 No, I Right to repair deep dive was like episode three of

57:06 Waveform.

57:06 was so I wasn't even born yet.

57:09 [laughter] Actually, was that even Video Waveform or was it still on

57:11 I went to double check.

57:12 It was video.

57:13 I think it was the first [clears throat] ever bonus episode.

57:15 You guys published that episode by speaking into a can.

57:20 [laughter]

57:19 And it just went straight to megaphone.

57:22 Yeah.

57:23 So, Marques, you typed breaking news in

57:25 Breaking news.

57:26 Breaking news.

57:27 Breaking news fish, that's a hilarious reference.

57:30 Um I just got an email that uh Gemini for Mac just got released.

57:34 It is essentially the same thing that we

57:36 were talking about earlier with for Windows.

57:39 Oh.

57:39 But it's also now on the Mac.

57:40 So, if you go to gemini.com gemini.google/mac It's the same thing.

57:47 Such a funny URL.

57:48 [laughter]

57:49 Yeah, gemini.google/mac.

57:50 But it's pancakes.bacon/jam

57:53 It's essentially like it's the same thing.

57:55 It replaces your keyboard shortcut.

57:56 So, like right now you can replace Spotlight with whatever alternative.

58:00 You can have this replace Spotlight and then jump

58:02 in and access your files or your Google Drive or your whatever.

58:06 And it's your chatbot and it's your Gemini on desktop.

58:09 Google's going to Sherlock Spotlight.

58:11 Oh my god.

58:13 Well, What is the shortcut to activate this?

58:15 Do you have it installed yet?

58:16 I do have it installed already and the shortcut is customizable,

58:19 but by default your mini chat shortcut is command is

58:23 option space and your full chat shortcut is option shift space.

58:29 Mhm.

58:28 But I think I can change that.

58:29 Yeah, I can just change that to whatever.

58:31 want it to be space.

58:32 I want to

58:33 [laughter]

58:33 Is that crazy?

58:34 I want to change it to control because then I could just use all of them.

58:37 I'll have command space for Spotlight, option space for Raycast,

58:41 and then control space for Google Gemini.

58:43 That's so funny because control is generally the hot key for Windows.

58:48 Yeah.

58:48 And yours is Gemini thing.

58:49 I can't wait to be really old and talking to my great

58:51 grandkids and say something like I remember when Google Sherlocked Spotlight.

58:58 [laughter]

58:57 And also turned Raycast into Clubhouse.

58:59 And they'll be like, "Oh man, you really need to be in a home."

59:02 Yeah, like it's time for a nap.

59:04 All right, grandpa.

59:09 [laughter]

59:09 Back in the AI wars.

59:10 I I talked about it on a podcast once.

59:13 What's a pod Dad, what's a podcast?

59:17 Okay.

59:16 Sure, grandpa.

59:17 It's time to take a nap.

59:18 It was an audio feed.

59:19 It was It was syndicated really simply.

59:22 You joke, but you will be telling them about it.

59:26 Spotify?

59:26 Yeah.

59:26 No, we don't even Spotify will be long gone.

59:29 It'll be a they'll they're going to rebrand

59:31 to an AI a GPU company at some point.

59:34 They will just be like one giant data center

59:37 somewhere in the desert that makes one continuous song

59:40 with AI and you just you just sort of tune

59:42 in to see what's going on with the song.

59:44 It's like perpetual stew music.

59:46 [laughter] I don't hate that.

59:48 Someone barcode this.

59:49 I want that.

59:51 I'm surprised you haven't already, Alex.

59:52 This is like I remember like a so long ago I met someone who was at a VC

59:57 firm that was like working on this exact

59:59 project or it wasn't in this exact project,

1:00:01 but the idea was like what if you could turn

1:00:03 one song into an entire day's listening experience with generative AI.

1:00:07 So like they would add guitar solos and then

1:00:10 one idea they pitched is they were like, yeah,

1:00:12 at one point like the music will sort of get really quiet

1:00:14 and it'll be like a a podcast about the song and it's like

1:00:19 That guy's listening to this episode and he's like Did someone that stupid?

1:00:25 [laughter]

1:00:25 I thought it was cool.

1:00:26 This was like 2017 like like very early

1:00:30 before AIs could generate any of these things.

1:00:33 So it was very like pie in the sky and I remember being like,

1:00:35 that sounds kind of interesting.

1:00:36 And now that they can, I'm like Oh my god,

1:00:39 before we move on I just want to say I while we're talking about AI music,

1:00:42 I was in a coffee shop.

1:00:45 That's crazy.

1:00:45 I know.

1:00:46 Wow.

1:00:46 Were you outside?

1:00:47 I was in it was in a it was an indoor building, I think.

1:00:51 But um Interesting.

1:00:54 Uh listen to this song.

1:00:55 I was like, oh, interesting song.

1:00:56 Next song.

1:00:56 I was like, oh, this coffee shop's doing, you know, pretty middle of the road.

1:00:59 And then um that song died down and I just heard Okay, Michael.

1:01:07 [laughter]

1:01:06 I'm glad you enjoyed that.

1:01:08 And I was like, no.

1:01:09 They're not.

1:01:11 They're using the Spotify DJ in the coffee shop.

1:01:14 What's up, David?

1:01:15 That's great.

1:01:16 Quick update.

1:01:17 bring it home.

1:01:18 You can make control space the shortcut.

1:01:23 Sick.

1:01:22 So, if you want you can live this life.

1:01:24 You got claw on one.

1:01:28 [laughter]

1:01:27 You got Gemini on the other.

1:01:29 Tap tap?

1:01:30 That was a very Linux coded sentence

1:01:33 of you because it's command space on Mac OS.

1:01:35 Anyway, are we ready for trivia?

1:01:37 I use Arch by the way.

1:01:38 I am ready for trivia.

1:01:40 Nice.

1:01:40 Let's get it.

1:01:42 I need the points.

1:01:44 Well, here's your chance.

1:01:45 Trivia question number two.

1:01:46 Earlier, I don't remember what we were talking about.

1:01:48 We were talking about temperature in Celsius Oh, it was

1:01:50 It was the bug.

1:01:51 That's what it was.

1:01:52 So, here's your question.

1:01:54 Oh, no.

1:01:56 32° C is what in Fahrenheit?

1:01:58 That's so obvious.

1:02:00 Is it?

1:02:00 The nearest tenth of the decimal without going over.

1:02:05 Oh, wait.

1:02:05 Oh, no.

1:02:06 Yeah, you guys are backwards the other way around.

1:02:07 [laughter] You said 32 C?

1:02:09 32

1:02:10 32 C.

1:02:11 Oh.

1:02:11 Yep.

1:02:12 Okay.

1:02:12 Uh-huh.

1:02:13 I'll I'll think.

1:02:14 Everyone in other countries is yelling at us right now.

1:02:17 Well, no, but because they have to know Fahrenheit.

1:02:20 The other way around?

1:02:21 I think 32 C is enough to kill a bear with the amount of caffeine.

1:02:25 But [laughter] maybe maybe that's just me.

1:02:31 Nice.

1:02:34 [laughter] How much caffeine would kill a bear?

1:02:35 I did do a lot of research in how much caffeine would kill a person.

1:02:38 Need a cocaine bear?

1:02:39 Because I had a crazy experience once.

1:02:42 Someone asked this question on Reddit word for word 4 weeks ago.

1:02:46 How much caffeine would I need to kill a bear with [laughter]

1:02:49 What kind of bear?

1:02:51 Yeah, brown bear or black bear?

1:02:53 They're very different bears.

1:02:54 Or like a or polar bear.

1:02:56 Like a man.

1:02:57 No good answer to that.

1:02:58 comment is 200 for They say first of all,

1:03:00 it would die of a seizure, not a heart attack.

1:03:02 Second of all, 200 cups for a black bear, 400 cups for a grizzly bear.

1:03:07 Assuming this random Reddit comment.

1:03:10 [laughter]

1:03:10 Do you know a good way to tell the difference between

1:03:12 Between what?

1:03:13 Black bear and a grizzly bear.

1:03:14 If it's alive after 200 CUPS OF COFFEE.

1:03:17 [laughter] AND THAT'S WHEN WE TAKE A BREAK.

1:03:22 [laughter] We'll be right back.

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1:04:35 I have a sports question that Marques is going to explain in tech terms,

1:04:40 which is kind of weird cuz it feels like the basis

1:04:42 of the question already kind of is within tech itself.

1:04:46 Correct.

1:04:46 There's also a reason in the beginning Marques said it's

1:04:48 a sports related thing and not a golf related thing

1:04:50 cuz I'm sure most people wouldn't make it this far

1:04:52 into the podcast if they knew it was about golf.

1:04:54 Too bad you're here, don't go away.

1:04:56 Okay, so I saw this regular golf or ball golf?

1:05:00 Ball golf.

1:05:00 Okay, cool.

1:05:02 What?

1:05:01 Not disc golf?

1:05:02 Or Wait.

1:05:03 Not the superior.

1:05:04 What is regular golf then?

1:05:05 Ball golf.

1:05:06 The original.

1:05:08 [laughter] We're [snorts] disc golf fans here.

1:05:11 Oh, I knew that.

1:05:12 Uh we?

1:05:14 So so regular is disc is what you're saying.

1:05:16 That's yeah.

1:05:16 You're saying it's superior.

1:05:18 No, I feel like this is not even it's please just continue.

1:05:20 Okay, so Yeah.

1:05:22 The original tweet was actually from Andrew Martinek and he said,

1:05:26 "Imagine being this crazy about your custom 3D printed irons

1:05:28 and losing in every serious tournament to guys who don't do any

1:05:31 of that and just play with normal equipment." And it's referencing

1:05:33 a tweet about Bryson DeChambeau and his 3D printed 5-iron where reporter asked,

1:05:39 "Are you satisfied with the five?" He said,

1:05:41 "Yeah, I mean I only hit it once today." And the reporter said,

1:05:43 "How long does it take to make?" Where he replied, "Prints in 8 hours,

1:05:47 machines there are 3 or 4 hours,

1:05:48 then you have to cut grooves in it and a bunch of other

1:05:50 stuff so you can have something within a day and a half."

1:05:53 If it's 3D printed is it still made of iron?

1:05:55 I'm so confused.

1:05:57 It's called a 5-iron.

1:05:58 About this.

1:05:59 Well, I mean honestly, I am confused about the material of the

1:06:03 you said this was about sports.

1:06:06 [laughter] Wow.

1:06:07 This was at the Masters this weekend, right?

1:06:08 is crazy.

1:06:09 Yeah.

1:06:10 Which is like the minor league of golf?

1:06:12 Yeah, no.

1:06:12 It's the it's the one with the really cheap food.

1:06:15 Yes.

1:06:17 Okay.

1:06:16 Yes.

1:06:16 Okay, I'm glad you went there.

1:06:18 So in order to understand why this is weird,

1:06:20 you need to understand a little bit more about golf and about Bryson.

1:06:24 Golf uh you have a set of 18 clubs you're allowed

1:06:27 to carry and every club is typically a different loft and different length.

1:06:32 So the higher the ball goes, the more lofted it is and the shorter the club.

1:06:36 Which is the angle of the head.

1:06:37 Yeah.

1:06:37 Right, okay.

1:06:38 So a 9-iron will have a lot of loft and will be shorter.

1:06:41 And you go all the way to like a 4-iron and it

1:06:43 will be not very lofted to go farther and the club is longer.

1:06:47 When you say the club is you mean the head is shorter or longer

1:06:49 or the length of the like where the handle is is shorter or longer?

1:06:54 club.

1:06:53 Okay, so every iron has a different angle

1:06:56 and has a different physical length from ground to hands.

1:06:59 Yes.

1:07:00 Okay.

1:07:00 And that's to give you the smooth transition from the shortest

1:07:02 clubs all the way to the longest club in the bag,

1:07:04 which is the driver, which has the least loft,

1:07:06 longest club, goes the farthest, biggest swing.

1:07:09 Can I ask a stupid question?

1:07:10 Go for it.

1:07:11 Which is the one that I use for mini golf?

1:07:13 You have a putter for mini golf, which is the shortest club.

1:07:16 They're all putters.

1:07:17 And it goes the shortest distance.

1:07:18 It happens to have basically no loft.

1:07:20 Typically actually has 1° of loft, but we'll ignore that.

1:07:23 So, uh Bryson is a bit of an unusual golfer.

1:07:28 Bryson has this history of the last couple

1:07:31 years uh of really tweaking his clubs and trying

1:07:34 to optimize his swing because the best golfers

1:07:36 in the world are the most consistent golfers in the world.

1:07:38 And he is the only one as far as I know who thought,

1:07:42 "You know, why do all my clubs have to be different lengths?

1:07:45 I'm going to have the same grip and the same length

1:07:47 on every single one of my irons." Which doesn't sound that weird,

1:07:52 but when you put the longest and shortest irons next to each other,

1:07:55 you'll realize that that's really unusual.

1:07:57 His shortest irons are the same length as his longest iron so

1:08:00 that he can have the same swing with all of his irons.

1:08:02 Why are they different lengths in the first place?

1:08:04 They're all different lengths in the first place because to hit it further,

1:08:06 you want a longer lever.

1:08:08 So, less loft and longer lever,

1:08:09 it all just kind of smoothly graduates you to the longest club in the bag.

1:08:13 But he's decided to just have the same exact length for all of his irons,

1:08:16 which is highly unusual.

1:08:18 And he's the only one who would do this kind of thing cuz he's kind

1:08:20 of the mad scientist of the golf world

1:08:22 of being willing to try and tinker with new equipment.

1:08:25 So, he's been one of the best golfers in the world debatably,

1:08:29 but for the last couple of years,

1:08:31 the Masters, as you point out, very big tournament.

1:08:34 Maybe the biggest tournament.

1:08:36 If you're a golfer, I'm understating this.

1:08:37 It is the biggest tournament, obviously.

1:08:39 Um he goes to the Masters, and apparently one of this new things he's

1:08:44 trying is a 3D printed five iron specifically.

1:08:49 Uh what makes it called Why is it called five iron?

1:08:52 So, a nine iron, an eight iron, a seven iron, a six iron,

1:08:55 a five iron are all next to each other in the bag.

1:08:56 The five iron is a very specific club

1:08:59 that typically goes the same distance every single time.

1:09:02 It's slightly shorter than the four iron, slightly longer than the six iron.

1:09:05 For some reason, Justin's five iron is the one that 3D printed.

1:09:10 Mhm.

1:09:09 Um, can do you know the specifics of like how?

1:09:13 I don't.

1:09:13 I would imagine it's a lot more complicated than the 3D printers were picturing,

1:09:17 which are like plastic and and obviously not.

1:09:20 This is definitely still metal.

1:09:22 The thing also about making clubs for a tournament like this is

1:09:25 every tournament every club has to be uh legally allowed and tested.

1:09:29 So it has to pass USGA regulations and so it

1:09:32 has to meet a certain set of requirements for that.

1:09:34 It has to have grooves, has to have all this stuff.

1:09:36 Uh assuming well, he played with it so he got

1:09:39 this 3D printed club approved to be just special enough for this.

1:09:43 The other thing about Bryson is he is uh he has a YouTube channel.

1:09:46 He has big social media presence and I love him,

1:09:50 but he's very easy to make fun of because

1:09:52 he's always messing with his equipment and have

1:09:54 like little tweaks with his driver and little tweaks

1:09:56 with these clubs that have never been used before.

1:09:58 Uh he goes out to the Masters, he has his 3D printed club.

1:10:01 He does not have a good time.

1:10:02 He plays two not that great rounds and uh doesn't make the cut.

1:10:07 So of course they ask him about this club and uh you know,

1:10:11 when he's in a good mood he's willing to break

1:10:13 down all of the fun interesting things about his clubs.

1:10:15 When he just missed the cut at the biggest tournament of the year,

1:10:17 the Masters, he's just like ah yeah, it didn't didn't work.

1:10:21 It wasn't that good.

1:10:22 Uh that's really actually the tech angle

1:10:25 of this, which is he literally tried to 3D

1:10:28 print one of his clubs and make a specialized club just for this one tournament.

1:10:32 Um what I think is even more interesting is the Masters itself is the least tech

1:10:38 of any golf tournament in the world and I

1:10:40 wanted to conveniently use this to pivot to that.

1:10:42 Okay.

1:10:42 Mhm.

1:10:44 Okay.

1:10:43 Which is uh if you actually go to the Masters,

1:10:45 it is the one sporting event on Earth as far as I

1:10:49 know where smartphones are banned from the entire grounds the entire time.

1:10:54 Isn't that the same with um uh chess?

1:10:57 Is that a sporting Well, okay.

1:10:59 That was the thing that happened like a week or two ago.

1:11:01 I don't think they're allowed on stage with the competitors.

1:11:04 He's saying the yeah.

1:11:06 entire event All of the audience, the patrons, all of the players,

1:11:10 everyone there, nobody's taking photos with their phones.

1:11:13 That's cool.

1:11:13 They're banned.

1:11:14 And so, when you see photos of the Masters,

1:11:18 it is a golfer hitting a shot and everyone

1:11:20 instead of holding their phones is just watching.

1:11:24 Wow.

1:11:23 And it is just such a blast from the past and a really

1:11:26 refreshing weird like little piece of history every time they play the Masters.

1:11:32 I give it a week until they're all wearing meta glasses.

1:11:35 So, that was one of the things that's actually come up is

1:11:37 people are going to the Masters

1:11:39 wearing those smart glasses and everyone's going,

1:11:41 "Hey, we got to protect Augusta and ban those glasses, too.

1:11:44 Like, we really just need it to be as pure as possible." Um so,

1:11:47 that did come up quite a bit,

1:11:49 but I think they will probably end up banning those glasses, too.

1:11:52 Uh it is a little bit scary/possibly cultish the way

1:11:56 they protect that course because if you are a YouTuber,

1:12:00 for example, YouTube golf's gotten really big in the last couple years,

1:12:03 uh you play all the biggest courses in the world.

1:12:05 But, if you go to play Augusta,

1:12:07 no cameras allowed and you sign an NDA and you can't talk about it.

1:12:11 What?

1:12:11 And it's like you can't talk about the course?

1:12:14 Yeah, you can't talk about the time that you played the course.

1:12:17 And so, there's no video evidence of it and there's they sign these NDAs.

1:12:19 It's like this really weird thing where I used to see it on TV.

1:12:23 there or something?

1:12:24 You see it on TV.

1:12:25 to me.

1:12:26 Every year on TV, this course looks absolutely perfect.

1:12:29 The grass is the exact same shade of green as all

1:12:32 the chairs that are on the course because they've matched those things.

1:12:35 Like, all of the the scoreboards are in the exact same places every single year.

1:12:39 It's this almost mythical course where if you

1:12:44 ever do get the chance to go there, you don't have a camera with you.

1:12:46 You don't have your phone.

1:12:47 You just kind of have to take it in and experience it and go home.

1:12:51 And that Like the Stone ages.

1:12:53 Yeah.

1:12:53 And that's crazy.

1:12:53 That's what you leave with.

1:12:54 What is the benefit of that?

1:12:56 Is it like to prevent cheating or something?

1:12:58 Or they just want to keep this like aura It's just Definitely creates an aura.

1:13:02 Yeah, but definitely just protects the integrity of the like historical nature

1:13:07 of this It's It's just the only original golf event left like that.

1:13:12 Isn't there like extremely minimal ads?

1:13:14 Like are there like six sponsors for the whole thing?

1:13:16 And Yes.

1:13:17 So like the whole thing is just OG.

1:13:20 OG.

1:13:21 Yeah.

1:13:21 And the thing you brought up about the food,

1:13:22 like the food is still the same price as it was 50 years ago.

1:13:24 It's still a dollar for a hot dog and like a drink.

1:13:27 for an egg salad sandwich or something like that.

1:13:30 because people will go straight to the merch shop and spend

1:13:32 a thousand dollars on shirts and hats and stuff because that's super limited.

1:13:35 But a two dollar hot dog.

1:13:36 So it's It is It is very much a blast

1:13:39 from the past and I appreciate that about it.

1:13:41 Even though I'm a tech person,

1:13:42 I I do want to go to the Masters and just experience that.

1:13:45 Where is it?

1:13:45 It's in Georgia.

1:13:46 In Georgia.

1:13:48 Yeah.

1:13:48 If anyone from there is listening, your first video was about golf.

1:13:51 My first ever video was about golf.

1:13:52 Fun fact, I did get invited to go to this Masters and I

1:13:56 didn't because I wanted to be here on the pod with you guys.

1:13:59 That's not the reason.

1:14:03 [laughter] That's wrong choice,

1:14:05 I couldn't make it, but I really I hope [laughter]

1:14:07 I get invited next time cuz it it looks sick.

1:14:10 Can I go one more step off the rails into the most niche question possible?

1:14:14 Yes.

1:14:14 I probably could ask you this off the podcast,

1:14:16 but since we're talking about golf anyways,

1:14:18 I'm currently in a disc golf fantasy league a huge

1:14:21 argument over the weekend over how to properly score things.

1:14:31 So if you miss the cut by a lot, you're going to have a worse day four.

1:14:34 If you pick someone who barely misses the cut,

1:14:35 then you only get penalized a little bit.

1:14:38 That would That would like scale I think properly.

1:14:40 talk more about this later cuz I don't want to totally,

1:14:41 but Bo, you're out there listening.

1:14:44 Text Text Marques and I.

1:14:46 Aw, I think it's so cute you think that's making it onto the podcast.

1:14:50 [laughter] Anyway, the Masters is great.

1:14:52 I hope I get to go someday.

1:14:54 Bryson is maybe the most unrelatable

1:14:57 but also relatable golfer because I'm a tech

1:14:59 person and he's also a YouTuber so it's kind of a small world.

1:15:03 He's relatable because when I do bad at things

1:15:06 I don't want to talk to anyone about it.

1:15:07 That's facts, yeah.

1:15:08 That's totally reasonable.

1:15:09 We all know that person who's like, you know,

1:15:11 participates in a thing but is actually way

1:15:13 more interested in doing some weird technical tweaky thing.

1:15:17 But I say when I say we all know that person I'm [laughter] We all know Ellis.

1:15:20 We all know Ellis.

1:15:23 Yeah, anyway, I think it's time for that last thing we do on every podcast.

1:15:28 Go to the Masters?

1:15:30 I wish.

1:15:31 This is actually all recorded at the Masters so

1:15:33 it has to be deleted and we sign an NDA.

1:15:35 [laughter] That'd be wild.

1:15:37 Would we be allowed to do a pod from the Masters with no cameras?

1:15:40 Like just audio equipment?

1:15:42 I don't even Oh yeah.

1:15:43 Would they allow that?

1:15:44 think so.

1:15:45 You're like like this table on the green.

1:15:48 Like like 6 ft from the hole and then

1:15:50 they just have to golf around us while we're talking.

1:15:53 That'd be a LIV Golf event.

1:15:55 Um oh my gosh, guys,

1:15:57 GoPro between 2016 and 2018 made a thing that was not a little tiny camera.

1:16:02 I mean yeah, it was not a little it was not a Hero and it was not a Mission.

1:16:07 I'm so excited for that little thing.

1:16:08 Um what was it?

1:16:12 I feel like I should know this.

1:16:13 What have they made?

1:16:14 What did they make?

1:16:16 I think I have a solid educated guess.

1:16:21 Nice.

1:16:20 Not a liquid.

1:16:21 Solid educated guess.

1:16:24 Bro.

1:16:24 No, this can't this can't come out of my fingers.

1:16:28 Depending on what in this podcast that's going to be really confusing.

1:16:31 I mean we did record that conversation.

1:16:33 Andrew's referring to a conversation we had

1:16:34 before the podcast where we were discussing what

1:16:36 five liquids we would have dispensed from each

1:16:38 of our fingers Uh you will never hear.

1:16:41 Yes.

1:16:41 [laughter] I have a feeling this is going to make somebody mad.

1:16:45 This is probably Ellis or Adam.

1:16:49 Mhm.

1:16:49 All right, who wants Who wants to go first?

1:16:52 I'm so mad at Marques already.

1:16:53 I picked one that's probably not the answer you want,

1:16:56 but maybe also technically correct.

1:16:59 Mhm.

1:16:58 They made an underwater housing for the GoPro.

1:17:01 Not what I was looking GoPros needed waterproof housing, correct?

1:17:05 Exactly, they sure did.

1:17:07 This was not the answer.

1:17:07 So that's just part of the action camera, isn't it?

1:17:10 Probably a product that GoPro made that's not the camera, but it is

1:17:14 Am I that Am I that pedantic with these questions?

1:17:16 Have I ever Have I ever like kicked you out of Yes.

1:17:20 Really?

1:17:20 I might be the most correct.

1:17:21 Let's see what they said.

1:17:22 My theory was GoPro makes a bunch of stuff

1:17:24 for people who do action sports that generally wear a helmet,

1:17:27 so maybe they made some sort of headphones that work well with helmets.

1:17:30 That's really interesting, but I don't think they ever made headphones.

1:17:34 Uh mine is obviously not true cuz I covered phones for like

1:17:39 15 years and I don't remember this, but I put phones.

1:17:41 You don't remember [laughter] the GoPro phone?

1:17:44 Look, I don't know.

1:17:44 They might have done some weird collab with some I don't know.

1:17:48 My My two or Seen weirder phones.

1:17:50 I was referencing the GoPro Karma.

1:17:53 Which was a drone.

1:17:55 You did do a video on that.

1:17:57 [groaning] I knew it.

1:17:59 We did.

1:17:59 Yeah.

1:18:00 Yeah.

1:18:01 Drone.

1:18:03 Yeah.

1:18:03 Okay.

1:18:03 Oh, come on, guys.

1:18:04 You can't be mad that I'm not giving is a camera, though.

1:18:07 That's why I was like when I was like it wasn't a little tiny camera that I Oh.

1:18:11 But it kind of is a little tiny camera.

1:18:13 Such a Quick update on the score.

1:18:16 Uh Marques with 21 after that incorrect answer.

1:18:19 Andrew with 22 after getting that one wrong.

1:18:21 And David with 25 after not getting the correct answer.

1:18:27 Thanks.

1:18:27 Okay, Mr.

1:18:27 Thesaurus.

1:18:29 [laughter] Next question.

1:18:31 32° C is what in Fahrenheit?

1:18:35 I'm accepting the answer to the nearest

1:18:36 tenth of a decimal point without going over.

1:18:40 Ah.

1:18:40 Can we just do delta?

1:18:43 Nope.

1:18:43 It's so easy.

1:18:44 Oh, this is so I never said it was easy.

1:18:46 I I I was No, both of them were just backwards.

1:18:49 I was wrong.

1:18:50 That was my original question then I said now I'm confused.

1:18:55 C is what in Fahrenheit?

1:18:57 Okay.

1:18:57 Do you remember the formula?

1:18:58 Oh, wait.

1:18:59 I don't remember the formula.

1:19:00 I remember part of the formula.

1:19:02 Oh, I wish.

1:19:03 Flip them and read.

1:19:03 What do you got?

1:19:05 What?

1:19:05 Oh, that's a Is there a decimal in your number?

1:19:06 Yes.

1:19:06 Oh, I'm sorry.

1:19:07 That's a decimal.

1:19:09 [laughter] That's a fair question.

1:19:12 Kelvin.

1:19:13 Okay.

1:19:13 Marquez, you first.

1:19:14 I said 98.6.

1:19:17 Oh, I was going to say that's a really

1:19:18 good guess cuz we were talking about body temperature.

1:19:20 really good guess.

1:19:21 I wrote 101.5.

1:19:23 That's like a radio station.

1:19:24 It is.

1:19:25 A really bad one in New Jersey.

1:19:27 They're all bad.

1:19:29 Losers.

1:19:28 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

1:19:29 New Jersey is home to one of the nation's greatest radio stations.

1:19:32 I'm talking about WMFU, okay?

1:19:34 Or WFUM, that's it.

1:19:36 WFUM.

1:19:37 Don't talk smack about New Jersey radio if you're not WUPH?

1:19:41 WFUM.

1:19:42 Never mind.

1:19:42 It's okay.

1:19:43 I like 96.9 The Eagle out of Sacramento, California.

1:19:46 Classic rock station.

1:19:47 David, what'd you put?

1:19:48 I put 74°.

1:19:50 Wrong, but you get the points because you didn't go over.

1:19:53 So just under Marquez's cuz so I wrote

1:19:55 in the bottom how previously we talked about how Like 94?

1:19:58 the 82° Fahrenheit felt like 28° Celsius.

1:20:02 So I was trying to go with an approximation with that.

1:20:05 Well, that was completely wrong.

1:20:07 Well, I'm assuming you were still basing it off of the 82.

1:20:10 Maybe not exactly but a slightly different temperature.

1:20:13 of the wind factor.

1:20:14 Marquez had all the right digits just in the wrong order.

1:20:17 order.

1:20:18 It was 89.6.

1:20:21 Oh.

1:20:21 Damn, I went high.

1:20:22 I just thought it strikes again.

1:20:24 The Okay, the isn't the calculation like times 5/9 plus 12 or something?

1:20:31 Degrees in Fahrenheit minus 32 times 5/9 gives you Celsius.

1:20:36 Got it.

1:20:37 have to do that backwards to get Fahrenheit.

1:20:38 So times 9/5 minus 32?

1:20:42 What?

1:20:43 Just for that I'm never using WhatsApp.

1:20:47 [laughter] Wait, what?

1:20:49 I wish you just Google it.

1:20:50 Anyway, Why?

1:20:51 Uh yeah.

1:20:52 Cuz Celsius people don't Celsius people Celsius people use it.

1:20:56 [laughter] Oh yeah.

1:20:56 You know, everyone else.

1:21:00 Thanks for referring to non-Americans as Celsius people and as WhatsApp.

1:21:04 It's WhatsApp users are Tell me I'm wrong.

1:21:07 [laughter] You know, You never been more right.

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1:21:30 Wait for me to speak.

1:21:31 You do it.

1:21:33 Nope.

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1:21:43 And our intro and outro music is made by Vince Cell.

1:21:50 [music] [music] If you could have five liquids come out of each of your fingers,

1:22:00 Oh, I had I had this conversation.

1:22:02 Does it have to be your dominant hand?

1:22:03 No, a non-dominant hand.

1:22:05 Which five would you pick?

1:22:08 Water.

1:22:07 Coke Zero, uh a latte, get water anywhere.

1:22:12 Yeah, but any any time.

1:22:13 Water's free.

1:22:14 Shh.

1:22:14 Just water run.

1:22:15 Just Where's the water coming Yeah.

1:22:19 Is it tap?