Exposed! MORE Epstein Related Corruption

0:28 Hi friends, it is Friday and it's time for Parasocial.

0:31 We've got a little bit of a different show for you today.

0:34 Typically Dave is here and we're talking about true

0:36 crime and reality TV and getting ready for the weekend,

0:38 but our pal tell Tara Palmeri broke a really interesting story

0:43 yesterday about John Kerry's involvement within the Epstein files and so

0:48 we thought it was best to use that time today to make

0:51 sure that we got to chat with Tara about that reporting.

0:53 So Tara, thanks for being here friend.

0:56 Oh, thanks for having me.

0:58 I'm so happy to be here.

1:00 I'm happy that you are here.

1:01 Where are you coming to us from now?

1:02 Are you in Florida?

1:03 Are you in New York?

1:04 Oh, I am in Miami.

1:05 Yeah, I'm in New York right now.

1:07 Excuse me.

1:08 I'm constantly traveling all the time.

1:10 Can't find me.

1:12 It's probably best that way.

1:13 A little Carmen Sandiego action.

1:15 Yeah, exactly.

1:15 My little trench coat's on.

1:17 Yeah, I'm so happy to be here and thanks for for being, you know,

1:22 so independent and brave cuz I know a lot

1:25 of people are sort of tribal about the Epstein story,

1:27 but it it hits both sides and you know,

1:33 it's the power structures that allowed him to exist

1:36 for so many decades and that is why um you know,

1:39 that nearly a thousand women have been abused that we know of.

1:42 That's important to the FBI, which is a shocking number, so

1:46 And so many people want this to go away and I'm like, no.

1:49 I'm going to probably talk about this for the whole rest of my life.

1:52 It would take that long to get to the bottom of all of it.

1:55 Right.

1:55 And it's mostly, I hate to say this, but a lot of men.

1:57 I've never heard a woman say they want this story to go away.

2:00 I'm pretty sure they don't want this to ever go away.

2:03 Um, but yeah, I I mean, I first heard John Kerry's name

2:07 in connection with Epstein through Virginia, through her.

2:11 And as you know, I traveled around the country with her and we

2:15 were looking for witnesses to cooperate the story of her horrific

2:18 abuse and it was such a wild story and there was

2:23 so much intensity and it was graphic and it was heartbreaking.

2:29 Um, and seeing the door slam in her face was so heartbreaking.

2:32 And I remembered the shock I felt um when she

2:36 told me that Kerry was in his world because this was

2:39 also at the height of Epstein's sex trafficking operation and just

2:43 a few years before he ran for president in 2004.

2:46 Remembered him and so I um she encountered him

2:51 and like it's so she it was it was something that always stuck with me and I I

2:56 was always sort of waiting for that ball to drop.

2:59 Like I wanted I looked for the files.

3:01 Like I wanted to see more and more and more and um or even, you know,

3:05 thought like the mainstream media would look into it

3:07 a bit more and they just never did.

3:09 So, I guess Virginia gave me that tip, right?

3:12 Um and so I started looking and it really painted this intricate web,

3:16 this paper trail um between Epstein and Kerry in the Epstein files.

3:21 And if you kind of put it together

3:23 and you know a lot about Epstein and his interests,

3:27 I mean, we could go in like a hundred different directions with this story,

3:31 but uh for him and his interests,

3:33 which were um as you can see from his nonprofits,

3:37 like he was obviously supporting Israeli se- settlements and um

3:43 Well, folks might not actually know as much about John Kerry as we do.

3:46 So, maybe let's start at the top with like who is John Kerry?

3:50 He hasn't been in the news in a little while,

3:52 but he was a former presidential candidate.

3:54 He's been like basically every job he could be.

3:57 Nominee.

3:57 I can't Nominee.

3:58 Nominee.

3:59 candidate.

3:59 Nominee.

4:00 He didn't make it all the way,

4:01 but he he has had basically every job he could possibly have in government.

4:06 He's been all different levels, and he's been power Yes, Secretary of State,

4:10 power player for a long time,

4:12 married into a super rich family that makes ketchup or something, isn't it?

4:15 The Heinz family.

4:16 He married into the Heinz family.

4:18 And it was you found this picture There's because while

4:23 there's a lot of when you look at the Epstein files,

4:26 there's a lot of stuff that pops out.

4:27 The John Kerry stuff isn't quite as in your face, and I'm like, "Well,

4:30 maybe it's in the 3.5 million files that they like haven't given to us yet."

4:34 But this would be a person that a lot

4:36 of people would want to protect, John Kerry.

4:38 Yeah, so John Kerry also was in the National

4:40 Security Council under Biden admin the Biden administration.

4:45 Right.

4:45 He was a climate envoy.

4:46 He was Secretary of State.

4:48 He believed himself and others placed bets on him

4:52 that he would be the president of the United States.

4:54 Like top of the top in in the party at one time.

4:58 Um and so you know, he was out there campaigning for Biden, too, as a surrogate.

5:03 But just to go back for a minute,

5:05 um So Epstein first donated to him in 1991, his Senate campaign.

5:13 Um Actually, interestingly, that was during the Oslo Accords.

5:16 That was the first agreement between Palestine and Israel.

5:20 Um and he then donated it to him again in the um presidential.

5:27 And then he sent him this weird package after he lost to his uh his his pack,

5:32 like a sort of leadership pack that would

5:34 allow him to have national like political relevance,

5:37 a FedEx package which his his team didn't know much about.

5:40 But what you see in the files is,

5:42 first of all, I want to just start this by saying,

5:45 John Kerry's spokespeople told ABC News back

5:48 2019 that he did not know him personally.

5:50 Now we see a picture of him with Epstein's house staff in Epstein's home.

5:55 Which is this picture here?

5:57 Yeah.

5:58 And I don't know if you want to if you can pull this up,

6:00 but also his chef, which is something we haven't seen before.

6:04 Um I believe his name is Mullen, David Richard Mullen.

6:08 Okay.

6:08 He gave a sworn testimony to the FBI, it's called a 302,

6:12 and he said that he recalled seeing John Kerry on Epstein's plane.

6:18 And he gave his testimony in 2006.

6:20 So this isn't like, "Oh, we gave the testimony 20 years later.

6:22 Can't remember if I saw him or not." He said that you know,

6:25 he cooked on the plane and he remembered seeing him.

6:27 So, um and then, you know,

6:30 you have victims saying that uh Epstein talked about Kerry a lot,

6:34 said he was friends with him.

6:36 And then you kind of add in all of these um

6:38 emails in which Epstein is offering to introduce people to Kerry.

6:43 Uh Secretary of State Is that Is that in this No, that's the Steve Bannon one.

6:48 That's Steve Bannon.

6:48 So like, as this is in 2018, by the way.

6:52 So Steve Bannon is Trump's advisor at this point,

6:54 and you know, they spend a lot of time together.

6:57 Um here he is Epstein is saying on the right,

6:59 "I'm sitting here with Cathy Romer." He means Rohmer.

7:02 That was Obama's former deputy um uh council,

7:07 like lawyer essentially in the White House.

7:10 Right.

7:13 And she says uh He said, "If you're around the 18th in DC,

7:18 John Kerry." Suggesting he can meet Kerry.

7:21 Then he follows up and says, "Well,

7:24 Kerry's not coming anymore, but Burns will be there,

7:26 his deputy." So, Bill Burns was Kerry's uh Deputy Secretary of State.

7:33 And he went on to be the CIA director under Biden.

7:36 He spent 32 years in service.

7:38 And if you know anything about the State Department,

7:42 it is very closely connected to the CIA.

7:46 Right.

7:45 diplomats are constantly running assets, agents, sources for um the CIA.

7:52 These assets, these sources, they come to the embassy.

7:56 So, they're very closely intertwined.

7:58 So, it kind of makes sense that he would move on to CIA.

8:03 Sure.

8:03 And Epstein at the time is trying to cultivate a relationship with Bill Burns.

8:07 He invites Bill Burns and his wife to the island.

8:10 We see that.

8:11 Uh he met with Bill Burns twice, offering him help while he was Deputy Secretary

8:16 of State getting jobs in the private sector,

8:18 connects him over email to Peter Thiel.

8:21 Uh Bill Burns, as people say, oh, he may have connected him.

8:25 He also offered to connect him to Reid Hoffman cuz he was looking for jobs.

8:28 Oh, god.

8:29 And Epstein is Reid Hoffman, by the way, created LinkedIn.

8:32 Peter Thiel is like a conservative boogeyman now, but created PayPal.

8:37 It's a tech co-sign.

8:39 Um So, I'm throwing a lot of names at you guys, but imagine this scenario.

8:42 Epstein is writing that he's going to have

8:44 Bill Burns basically a spy in the CIA.

8:49 I mean, a spy in State in State Department.

8:52 Peter Thiel, who does a lot of um you know,

8:56 he does defense deals now um with the state with with our country.

9:00 And

9:03 Mhm.

9:02 Ehud Barak, the former Prime Minister of Israel,

9:05 who also was a defense minister, which oversees the Mossad.

9:10 Which, if you don't know what that is, it is the CIA of Israel.

9:12 The CIA of Israel.

9:14 Yeah.

9:14 But they for some reason are scarier.

9:16 Like, I don't know.

9:16 They're just

9:17 A little scarier.

9:18 These are the people who did the beepers and stuff.

9:20 Yeah.

9:21 They're

9:21 They're a lot better than ours, I think.

9:23 They're just a little

9:24 Yeah, they they definitely This is

9:27 because the Israeli state is constantly being targeted and the Israeli people.

9:31 But it is Yeah.

9:32 But also, wasn't Ghislaine Maxwell's dad like allegedly

9:35 wrapped up with the Mossad and This is crazy.

9:41 Right.

9:42 Right.

9:54 It's like too much.

9:56 I feel like a crazy person like we're writing a movie and then we're like no,

9:59 we're reading evidence files.

10:03 I know.

10:22 Yeah.

10:27 Curry scheme subject line.

10:41 Okay.

10:56 Wow.

11:03 Right.

11:12 Okay.

11:12 Let me know when you're ready for that everybody.

11:14 Do you want to take a beat?

11:15 Let's take a two-second there cuz I want

11:17 to talk about the the Rumler Obama situation.

11:21 In all the time that I spent with Biden over the time that he

11:24 was president and got to meet him or talk to him or do whatever,

11:27 there was always this thing with him where

11:28 he felt like Obama didn't really respect him, didn't really like pick him.

11:32 He didn't feel like he like Obama treated him

11:35 right or backed him the way that he should have.

11:36 He always had this like deep wound when it came to Obama, it felt like.

11:41 Like that he didn't they he didn't treat him well enough or that he

11:44 wasn't that on his side or that Obama's staff didn't like you know,

11:48 jump to endorse Biden when he wanted to run for president and whatnot.

11:52 And I wonder like how many more layers there were.

11:56 VP though

11:57 Yeah.

11:58 I guess so.

11:59 with Kamala too.

12:00 I know.

12:01 He and she didn't she did he treated

12:03 her the way that Biden treated him or whatever like They always do.

12:07 The the VP always feels like they're getting shafted.

12:09 They get the worst job, worst[ __] and then they never get the the kind

12:13 of love that they think they deserve from the president.

12:16 Biden did get to be the president,

12:17 I wonder if he got access to any kind

12:19 of like information where like did Obama favor Kerry or something?

12:23 I just wonder like what the tea was between the girls now that we

12:26 can see like all of this like

12:27 awkward Democratic like backstabbing that's happening in gossip.

12:31 I think it's weird.

12:33 I've wondered why I think they just like they knew that Kerry

12:36 was too elitist and I think with like probably Obama's credentials

12:41 and the fact that he went to Columbia and he's got the father

12:45 and he's just he's just a little too cosmopolitan as they say, right?

12:49 So they they probably needed Scranton Joe to kind of Yeah.

12:53 in the Well, they knew that he

12:54 could help them win Pennsylvania which was critical.

12:58 Right.

12:58 I think it came down to just brass tacks politics.

13:00 So Epstein is scheming.

13:02 Yeah, Epstein's scheming.

13:04 He's always scheming.

13:04 So um okay, remember the Sultan who tells Epstein the Emirati Sultan,

13:10 I loved the torture video?

13:12 Yes, and also was sending him like uh information about um Asian massage

13:19 rooms that he went to and like that he did a full package.

13:22 He was like forever trying to brag to Epstein about horrible things that he had

13:26 Yes, exactly.

13:28 Um very weird.

13:30 Well, he had to step down from his job.

13:31 And just for what it's worth, this is very weird.

13:34 Um but he that email about I love the torture video?

13:39 Yeah.

13:39 The Justice Department redacted his name.

13:42 I know why.

13:43 They were they failed to redact the names of survivors,

13:47 but felt that his name had to be redacted.

13:49 And if I know that law correctly, which I do,

13:53 you're not allowed to redact a name for for just for any reason.

13:58 It has to have national security purpose or they have to be victims.

14:02 Um okay.

14:03 because the Saudis own so much of the Trump wealth that they were like,

14:06 "Oh, we can't put this out there." I mean, who knows?

14:09 Dang, sounds like it.

14:10 we're[ __] talking and speculating.

14:12 But this is Okay, but here's what we do know.

14:14 When uh Kerry was in the United Arab Emirates, there he is.

14:19 Wow.

14:20 Yep.

14:20 Pulled up so quick.

14:23 Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem.

14:24 Yeah.

14:25 Exactly.

14:26 When Kerry was in the Emirates,

14:27 he asked Epstein of all people to connect him to him.

14:33 Really?

14:35 Yeah.

14:34 And then you had So John Kerry did have direct contact with Jeffrey Epstein.

14:40 Is that what you're saying?

14:41 From the First of all,

14:43 we know from the sworn testimonies that he was around him.

14:45 He was in the house, he was you know, on the plane.

14:48 Um and now it appears we don't have any emails from John Kerry back to Epstein,

14:56 but then again, not a lot of people email, especially old people.

15:00 Mhm.

15:02 Um Epstein is constantly offering access to John Kerry to people.

15:06 Right.

15:06 And it's weird.

15:07 He had a lot of reason to want to be in touch with him,

15:10 you know, his interests in the Iran nuclear deal,

15:12 which John Kerry was working on.

15:15 You know, he's going to want to make sure that it benefits Israel, right?

15:20 Mhm.

15:20 And so there's that.

15:23 and then Terje um Rød-Larsen who is for everyone who

15:28 may not know him but may have heard of his son.

15:30 His son killed himself last month.

15:33 Sadly, he and he and his sibling

15:37 were um designated $10 million from Epstein's will.

15:44 Wow.

15:44 And that is how deeply intertwined Epstein

15:47 was with this Norwegian diplomat, very senior one.

15:50 Um he was the main architect of the Oslo Accords which like I said before

15:54 is the first agreement between Israel and Palestine

15:57 and um he borrowed money from Epstein.

16:01 Obviously, Epstein gave him this this grant in his will to his kids and he also

16:06 wrote visas for Russian girls who were victims

16:10 of Epstein to come over to this country.

16:15 Terra.

16:14 man who is a highly compromised figure.

16:17 Now, in a normal functioning country where the Justice Department

16:20 does the job that its citizens pay them to do

16:26 Yeah.

16:25 Norway's in Norway's economic crimes unit is investigating

16:29 him and his wife cuz his wife was also

16:31 involved um in this Epstein financial relationship and also

16:36 was a key architect of the Oslo Accords.

16:38 Now, the Oslo Accords are something that have

16:40 been like highly contested because it vastly favored Israel.

16:45 Right, of course.

16:46 other part of it is that the files are still missing.

16:49 I don't know where I've heard that one before

16:51 but to this day the Oslo like the Oslo Accords files are missing.

16:55 Now, we don't know for that Terje and Epstein

16:58 were friends then because we don't really have email, right?

17:03 Right.

17:02 But this man is obviously willing to get into financial

17:07 entanglements with shady figures and that would obviously bring undue influence.

17:13 And this is exactly the kind of thing that Jeffrey Epstein

17:15 would want to have influence over and his pal Ehud Barak.

17:19 Now, and it's all coming back with like and oh,

17:23 Kerry was at that meeting in that meeting that he said happened at his house,

17:26 too, with Peter Thiel and

17:29 Right.

17:29 the whole thing.

17:30 Although Burns is set teams that he didn't go to that.

17:32 So, you know, and then it keeps going and and and it's just he know,

17:38 he writes in his contacts like who are my best contacts?

17:40 He puts John Kerry in there.

17:42 Oh my god, yeah.

17:43 It just it's really it's all changed.

17:47 The the the story from the Kerry team, too,

17:51 from like I barely knew him and now we know from the files that he

17:56 was around much more and I've seen whether it was perceived access or proximity,

18:02 he was using it as currency and it

18:08 it's it's something that really deserves scrutiny.

18:11 I guess I I noticed on the weekend that Virginia died

18:14 that uh that Kerry deleted his X account, which was strange.

18:20 He had 3 million people following it.

18:21 He's now only on LinkedIn,

18:23 which is they just said that was because

18:26 they think X is toxic, which is fair, but still the archive of it.

18:31 It's all weird and um you know, I mean,

18:35 there's a lot more and everyone can go to tarapalmeri.com

18:38 You can read this.

18:40 it for yourself.

18:41 You can read it.

18:41 You can see the documents.

18:42 You can see the emails.

18:43 There's a lot.

18:44 It was not I looked through thousands of pages.

18:46 I've been working on this for a long time.

18:49 Really since August and I've just felt like I've got a there

18:53 was something that was really pulling me towards that and so far,

18:57 we're getting action um in this the sense that I wrote Khanna,

19:02 who's on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

19:04 He is calling on Kerry to testify and I asked before the committee and I

19:11 asked Carrie's team if they if he'll voluntarily

19:15 do it and I haven't heard back, so.

19:18 There wasn't the the Norwegian royal prince or whatever

19:22 is also facing a rape trial right now.

19:24 Like I never heard so more much about Norway until

19:27 Epstein and this other sexual assault trial that's going on.

19:30 There's like a lot of corruption coming to light this year.

19:33 I know that everyone sort of fantasizes about a lot

19:35 of these Scandinavian countries as if they're so great, but then Yeah.

19:39 that in the darkness in these places that have very little light,

19:42 sometimes not a lot of great things that are happening.

19:45 Uh nothing against the Norwegians watching, but um this is uh yeah,

19:49 it's a very complicated um complicated story.

19:53 I think a big part of it is that there's just

20:00 that there was just so many influence um campaigns sort of happening.

20:04 Um Yeah.

20:06 And and Epstein trying to be a player and in in all these places.

20:13 Yeah, exactly.

20:13 Has Steve Bannon been called to testify?

20:16 No, and he should be.

20:17 Well, he should be.

20:18 He's still doing it.

20:20 Here's the problem.

20:21 So, I just want to break this down

20:22 for everybody cuz people have been called, it's insane.

20:26 Like so many more people need to be called to testify, right?

20:29 But right now, James Comer, he's a Republican and he's leading the committee.

20:32 Oh, well.

20:34 Yes, it's really difficult to get um to get something out

20:38 of committee like a subpoena when you got Republicans in leadership.

20:42 I think that Democrats will win in the next election,

20:45 not because they've done any favors for themselves, Mhm.

20:49 but because they are not the Republican party.

20:52 And hopefully they will use that subpoena power

20:55 to for good and to actually fully investigate this.

21:00 And even if the warts and the bad things about the party and the fact

21:04 that this frankly like the first FBI

21:07 call was made during the Clinton years, 1996.

21:11 Um and it wasn't answered.

21:13 Mhm.

21:13 You know

21:14 We just have to deal with it now.

21:15 It We just have to deal with it is how I feel.

21:17 I'm like, "Look, You have to.

21:20 You got to deal with it and um you know,

21:22 I think that's been the resistance and why I'm so grateful to like Rep.

21:26 Garcia who is like, "I wasn't around for I

21:29 don't care if John Kerry's legacy is ruined or whoever

21:33 else's." Like that shouldn't They should have protected people

21:35 for this long if they're so worried about it now.

21:37 Like it just has to come out.

21:39 There has to be transparency.

21:40 It's such a such a like I I think inevitable

21:43 thing that this will come to light one way or another.

21:46 There's just too many people that want to see it.

21:50 Um And so true.

21:51 And you know, I was listening to Virginia's voice cuz we were like looking

21:55 We We put together a YouTube um

21:57 kind of like presentation investigative thing on this.

22:00 And I was listening to her voice

22:01 and what she said that like everybody that walked

22:04 into Epstein's house from like a pizza delivery

22:07 boy would know that there was something wrong.

22:09 There were pictures of naked girls everywhere, young girls, older unmarried man.

22:13 This was off.

22:14 There was something weird.

22:15 And even Howard Lutnick said it himself.

22:17 Everybody knew about Jeffrey Epstein.

22:19 I knew about who he was.

22:20 I mean, everybody knew who he was and and and why is Bill Burns,

22:26 who's the Deputy Secretary of State,

22:27 going into his home after he's a sex offender?

22:30 Like it just doesn't make sense.

22:32 Well, that was the other thing from this week is that Howard Lutnick had

22:35 to give a deposition of sorts and he had told Trump apparently to his face,

22:39 "No, I cut ties with Epstein in 2005.

22:42 I've never been to the island.

22:43 I've never done this, that, the other." But then they get him

22:44 on oath where there could be some sort of like repercussions for perjury

22:49 and lying and suddenly he's been to the island in 2012

22:52 and he's been to the house and he's done all these other things.

22:55 And now folks are like, "Okay, if Trump's thing was I'm keeping Lutnick around

22:59 because I believe he cut ties with him

23:00 in 2005 even though Jeffrey Epstein had already

23:04 been a known predator in 2005, but okay.

23:08 And he went to We now find out that after the 2008 conviction,

23:13 that Lutnick went to the island in 2012,

23:15 well into the we know the island is a bad place where bad things happen realm.

23:20 Will Trump still be able to stick by him?

23:23 Or is does this change things?

23:26 This is Lutnick's saving grace.

23:31 Yeah.

23:30 The Epstein story saves Lutnick,

23:32 because a lot of people around him do not like him.

23:38 Yeah.

23:37 And the thing that is saving him right now, B,

23:40 is the fact that the scandal around him is Epstein.

23:43 Oh, so it takes I don't think that I don't think Trump

23:47 will cut anyone off for the Epstein scandal,

23:48 because when you turn around and that person's gone, who's right behind them?

23:53 Right, it gets closer to Trump.

23:56 himself, who is mentioned in the files how many times?

23:58 And this is what I'm saying, like you see these references in the files,

24:03 there's there is so much more we're not seeing.

24:07 We didn't have email for a very long time, you have to remember that.

24:11 Like, we are putting together pieces based on 3 million files,

24:16 300 gigabytes, when there are 40 terabytes in the FBI's hands.

24:22 There were micro cameras placed in Kleenex boxes.

24:29 Mhm.

24:28 It's according to emails.

24:30 With Epstein's Larry Visoski, his pilot, saying,

24:33 "I They're so small, you can't even see them."

24:37 Mhm.

24:36 This place is bugged.

24:38 Right, they know.

24:40 And and it They know everything.

24:42 And and 2.5 you know, million files that we know of have been withheld?

24:48 We've only gotten 1% of them or something, right?

24:51 Yeah, it's like crazy.

24:52 It's it's insane.

24:54 And even with that though,

24:55 the optimism I have is that it's still coming out, right?

24:58 Like Julie K.

24:59 Brown did get recognized by the Pulitzer recently,

25:02 which was so delayed, but like it's so meaningful.

25:05 It's meaningful that it's happening now.

25:06 It's good that it's happening now.

25:08 You're still finding new things to report

25:10 about that are exposing major people in power

25:12 even without the files that would have made

25:15 it easier to just like have the transparency.

25:17 We're seeing um reporting from The Guardian

25:20 and different other folks talking about

25:22 how Leon Black is courting judges to try and diminish the power of victims

25:28 testimonies who called said that that he had raped them when they were

25:32 teenagers and he was trying to like buy them off and all this stuff.

25:35 Folks are talking even though it is so scary to be talking.

25:40 Okay, I want to go back to Leon Black if you don't mind.

25:43 Yeah.

25:42 Can we sit on that for a second?

25:45 Yeah.

25:44 A picture of him.

25:45 I feel like we need a picture of him.

25:46 I'll throw a picture up, yes.

25:48 Yeah, because he um

25:52 He's a vile man.

25:53 He was accused by at least three women that we know of of sexual abuse.

25:56 They He denies it.

25:58 They have settled whatever happened.

26:02 Um I think one of them dropped the case.

26:05 But here's the point.

26:06 He was forced out of the firm he founded, Apollo.

26:08 It's a major private equity firm, okay?

26:10 And when he was forced out of the firm, I mean he's still part of it.

26:13 Like he was making money off of it.

26:15 He still had financial ties to it when he was forced out.

26:19 Mhm.

26:18 He gave $150 million to Jeffrey Epstein

26:20 for estate planning and accounting, by the way.

26:24 But what The New York Times found

26:25 out with some really great investigative reporting,

26:27 that actually most of that money was used to pay off women.

26:31 Okay?

26:33 Mhm.

26:32 Um and so He appointed

26:36 This guy, yeah.

26:37 He appoints My god, I love your your visuals.

26:40 You're such a like you're such you.

26:43 I'm in so impressed.

26:44 This guy appointed the US attorney who is currently leading the Epstein

26:52 investigation and handing over the files

26:54 to comply with the Epstein Transparency Act,

26:57 Jay Clayton, to his job when he left.

27:00 He announced it.

27:01 Said, "I'm choosing Jay Clayton." And so, Jay Clayton,

27:05 the guy who should technically be investigating him.

27:07 I mean, he's in an FBI presentation.

27:09 He's in a slide show presentation of possible co-conspirators.

27:14 Mhm.

27:13 Think that Jay Clayton, the guy who got who who by the way,

27:16 Jay Clayton, when he joined the the um the US Attorney's Office, Mhm.

27:21 the the Southern District of New York.

27:22 In his financial disclosures,

27:23 he says he has at least 1.5 million dollars in holdings from Apollo.

27:29 Wow.

27:28 to do that.

27:29 And so, I mean, at least disclose it.

27:31 There needs to have at least some sort of financial disclosure.

27:34 So, I asked Todd Blanche about it at the French Ambassador's residence.

27:39 Oh, right.

27:39 When he had you like escorted away.

27:42 Yeah, he used the security guard.

27:44 His his security detail that we pay for, by the way.

27:47 US

27:48 Yeah.

27:48 pay for.

27:49 He's the acting Attorney General.

27:52 Like, just I can't even describe it.

27:56 His wife was in the gown.

27:58 He was in a tux.

27:59 They're having drinks.

28:01 They're just swanning around this gorgeous

28:03 embassy where purple lights are everywhere.

28:05 And Yep.

28:06 And like, reporters are going up to him to kiss the ring.

28:08 And I was just I just asked him, "Aren't Are you concerned about this conflict

28:12 of interest in the Southern District of New York?

28:14 How can you really And I didn't go at him like that hard,

28:17 because I just thought like Yeah, you're at a cocktail party in Trump Yeah.

28:20 You're only at one shot, really.

28:22 So, I thought, you know, start there,

28:23 then go into you sat across from a pedophile.

28:26 Do you really what she said?

28:28 But he shut it down so quick.

28:29 It was like Pam Bondi.

28:30 Like, "You don't know what you're talking about.

28:31 You don't know what you're talking about.

28:32 I've read the files.

28:33 You've never read the files." I'm like, "Well, they're public." I'd love to.

28:36 I'd love to read the files.

28:38 I'd love to.

28:38 Actually, you've seen more of them.

28:40 Yeah, you're right.

28:40 I'd love to come in.

28:42 His wife goes to me, "You ruined our beautiful night." I was like,

28:46 "Really?" I asked him like two or three

28:48 questions and I've ruined their beautiful night.

28:52 Look.

28:52 acting Attorney General and will probably be the Attorney General

28:55 because they will not be able to confirm anyone else.

28:58 And Who is his wife?

28:59 This is the thing with these these mega women,

29:02 they sit around and they wait for their day to be like pretty special star,

29:05 like it's the Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo Boutique and we're

29:07 going to take you to the ball,

29:08 and then he gets asked a question casually by a reporter,

29:11 just, you know, conversationally,

29:14 and she's like, "You ruined my night." Like, babe, we live in a democracy still.

29:18 We still live in a world your husband is actively hurting the nation.

29:23 Yeah.

29:24 This actually works for me.

29:27 Yeah.

29:27 You know that?

29:29 Craziness.

29:29 If I pay taxes and he's paid by taxpayers, he works for me.

29:33 He works for you.

29:35 And I represent, in in my opinion as a journalist,

29:37 I feel like I represent the people.

29:40 Yeah.

29:39 And so, I asked him a question that I

29:42 felt that people would genuinely want to know about.

29:45 Is he aware of conflicts of interest in his own department?

29:49 Yeah.

29:49 So that there is some sort of transparency.

29:51 Don't come to the journalism dinner if you don't want to see a journalist.

29:55 I guess it was the White House Correspondents Dinner.

29:57 It's not like you went into Trump's like a mega crypto ball and asked him this.

30:02 It was our party.

30:03 He sat with CBS.

30:05 I Here they are.

30:07 This was the beautiful That's them.

30:12 She ruined

30:13 CBS, of course.

30:14 She was okay.

30:16 She, I mean, come on, girl.

30:18 Uh back I hesitate to bring this up,

30:22 but it's on a Friday, so get ready, jump scare.

30:25 When I was looking for a photo, there's this photo that hasn't been, I believe,

30:28 like corroborated or whatever as definitely Leon Black,

30:31 but this photo where people are like, "That's Leon Black." And I'm like, "Okay."

30:35 I don't think it's him.

30:36 I don't know if it's him, but it's in the Epstein files and people are like,

30:39 "This is a photo of him." But anyway, we don't know that that's true.

30:43 He's dark ribbon guy.

30:44 But if I had to see it, everyone else had to suffer, too.

30:49 But yeah, you ruined their beautiful night and he didn't answer the question.

30:51 Is he one of the ones Do you think he brings his wife to work with him,

30:54 too, the way that that Hegseth does lately?

30:57 He has like no friends, so he has to bring Jenny around with him.

30:59 Or maybe that's for him to stay sober.

31:02 She's his sober coach?

31:03 I guess so.

31:04 I don't know.

31:05 Or just a Kash says that bring your wife to events day

31:11 and then uses his security detail to protect her.

31:14 This is insane.

31:15 Like a pop star and a country

31:17 You could not have drug out of me Kash Patel's girlfriend hiding in a hotel

31:24 room during the White House Correspondents Dinner

31:26 holding hands with another man during the shooting.

31:29 I would have never ever allowed people to publish that if I were him.

31:35 And he's like, "No, she was totally here.

31:37 And and and and one of my people was

31:40 keeping her safe and they were holding hands." Like,

31:42 you could have never got that out of me.

31:45 Never.

31:46 holding hands with the security guard that they're using.

31:48 I don't know who it was that she was holding hands with.

31:51 It was The report was holding hands with another

31:53 man in a hotel room when this happened.

31:57 Okay.

31:57 But back to back to what's happening with the Epstein stuff.

32:01 What was this business about?

32:03 Okay, this is the This is the chef who remembers Carrie on the plane.

32:08 Oh, okay.

32:08 This and this is our favorite Adam Perry Lang.

32:11 Yeah, and they said Aaron Barack, but I think they mean Ehud Barak.

32:14 So he remembers Carrie and Ehud Barak on the plane.

32:17 Okay, got it.

32:18 Yeah, not Adam Perry Lang.

32:19 This is the This is the actual

32:21 the other one.

32:22 The brave who actually helped um Yeah, David Richard Mullen.

32:28 Oh my god.

32:30 Just the constant like amounts of[ __] that there is with these people is nuts.

32:35 And the other crazy thing that I wanted to talk to you about,

32:38 if we can we'll take a quick break from Epstein and then

32:40 we may come back to it because there's still like more.

32:42 Like what happened with Amanda Angaro?

32:44 What do we think about the suicide note?

32:46 I mean I talked to her actually this past week but she seems very unwell.

32:51 It's cuz Amanda Angaro was like out

32:52 here talking about stuff and then didn't anymore.

32:56 Yeah, she doesn't want to until the things

32:58 are settled down with her son, she said.

33:01 Okay, well I understand that.

33:03 Trump really did have her deported and they're just

33:05 leveraging every part of this[ __] place to like I I get it.

33:09 Listen, if my if my access to my son was on the line,

33:12 I would probably be laying low.

33:14 Also, I just think she didn't expect that she

33:15 was going to become like a national sensation overnight.

33:20 Right?

33:21 No, right that it would go so far.

33:23 Do you think this is real?

33:25 I like that the New York Times calls it purportedly.

33:29 Well, because it's not even from the time he allegedly actually killed himself.

33:32 It was from like the one before and a four-time homicidal maniac is apparently

33:36 the person who found this note and handed it over and it sat in his file.

33:40 I was like, why are we even reporting on this?

33:47 I don't know.

33:47 I mean listen, I don't believe anything from the the Justice

33:49 Department cuz they have zero credibility in my mind.

33:53 They've done nothing to build credibility with the American people

33:55 and we're just supposed to take what they feed us.

33:58 I mean And It doesn't know fun line.

34:00 He does say it a lot.

34:02 He does say no fun a lot.

34:05 Yeah.

34:05 reads like a Trump tweet so I was like, yeah,

34:06 they're all kind of the same level of like dumb.

34:11 That makes sense.

34:13 And then the other thing I'm wondering about

34:15 is like what's going on with Ghislaine these days?

34:17 Have you heard anything new about her?

34:20 Um just that she's like trying still.

34:24 trying to get a pardon.

34:24 I think she's going to get one.

34:26 It's horrible.

34:27 You're probably right.

34:28 Don't you think she will?

34:30 Yeah.

34:31 I mean it's like the same day Diddy gets a pardon so that Trump is like turn

34:35 this into a whole like spectacle in which

34:38 we can't separate the lines between any of it.

34:41 There's like no moral clarity and reporters are

34:43 their heads are spinning figure out which story to cover.

34:47 Cuz it's just like constant and now they're saying, oh,

34:50 folks that she was imprisoned with got punished

34:53 for speaking ill of her and I'm like,

34:55 who is the warden at this prison and like why do they care so much about her?

34:59 This did bring me This brought me a little bit of joy though.

35:02 Not joy, but like the library dedicated

35:04 to the Epstein files opening in New York.

35:06 Are you going to get a chance to go over there?

35:07 Do you know about this yet?

35:09 Yeah, I do.

35:09 I You know, I didn't know who was behind it.

35:12 Cuz like I like I've When I first saw it, I will be honest.

35:15 I was like, that seems a little hokey.

35:17 Like is it You know what I mean?

35:19 Um but yeah, I'm going to check it out.

35:23 I'm going to be down there, might as well.

35:25 It's something to do.

35:27 I wonder who will like who will be most

35:30 likely to go and like what will the rules be?

35:33 Like you know, you go to like the Holocaust

35:35 Museum and you don't take selfies in there.

35:37 Are you supposed to like be reverent and quiet

35:40 while you're in the Epstein files museum or you is

35:42 it better to like take pictures to like make

35:44 a viral moment so it keeps attention on the case?

35:47 It feels like a pop-up to me.

35:49 Like do we really think that's going to be there for that long?

35:51 Right.

35:51 Well, that's why I'm like what what's

35:53 the protocol for how you act in there though?

35:54 Like take a lot of pictures, try to make a splash?

35:58 files, are you actually going to read through Epstein files?

36:02 Oh, somebody went and they said it's somber.

36:04 They went today.

36:04 Panicked writer said they went today and it's somber,

36:06 feels quiet, kind of like a church.

36:08 Yeah, I guess that makes sense.

36:13 Yeah.

36:12 It's It just feels like a little hokey to be honest.

36:15 So, I'm just Hokey.

36:17 I'm not feeling it.

36:19 Right?

36:19 Well, I was like, who made it?

36:20 What's the goal of it?

36:23 Like a true like It feels like temporary and I feel like if you're

36:28 going to do this, then you better have the funds to keep it forever.

36:32 Yeah, or or like have a purpose to panic.

36:36 Maybe cuz you went there today.

36:38 Tell us like what did they say to you when you when you went in there?

36:41 Like did they say, "Hey, like be somber." or "Oh, you can take photos."

36:47 It's Ellie Leonard.

36:49 Okay.

36:49 You can take photos, but not remove books from the shelves,

36:51 and it's there until the end of May.

36:53 Okay.

36:55 And are like if you can't take books,

36:57 how do you know that there's actually files in there?

37:00 Yeah, very heavy security.

37:01 I don't know.

37:02 There's actually files in there, Ellie.

37:07 I don't know.

37:08 You have to register to go.

37:11 Okay.

37:13 Okay.

37:12 But like did you actually see files?

37:14 Did you see files in there?

37:16 Like or do you think this is just an illusion of files?

37:18 Like I'm like a Like they print them out?

37:20 I don't like the idea of a pop-up memorial feels very politically driven.

37:23 I don't like politicizing that's the problem.

37:28 I

37:27 I hate that.

37:28 And I it it's me and it's that's why like

37:31 I've been on the story since 2019 and everyone's like Oh,

37:36 and I'm like, "I get it.

37:37 I've been screaming this from the rooftop." but like you

37:40 can't just like care now because it works for your people.

37:45 Right.

37:45 Katie Fang's got a video up.

37:46 We'll check that out.

37:47 Yeah.

37:47 Yeah, this has to be like a true like memorial that stands

37:53 the test of time and honors the victims, not a stunt.

37:56 I don't want another freaking Epstein stunt.

37:59 I'm sorry.

37:59 I know.

38:00 I totally feel you on that.

38:01 And I hate a roadside memorial.

38:03 My brother hated roadside memorials.

38:05 He was like, "Please, if anything ever happens to me,

38:07 never." And it did, so we didn't.

38:09 But like putting up a roadside memorial can be

38:11 a thing that like brings a lot of peace to people.

38:14 But then to your point, when does it come down?

38:16 And how do you deal with it?

38:18 Like so we have this Epstein museum for a month,

38:21 and there's a lot that of good that could come out of it in terms

38:23 of keeping it in the uh public

38:25 and cultural conscious or maybe people can find things,

38:28 but when it comes down like what has happened from it

38:31 and how do you know when to take it down?

38:33 Like what do you do with it?

38:34 You know, it's hard.

38:37 Yeah.

38:36 There's places to call the DOJ.

38:38 Yeah, leave messages.

38:41 Oh, they're calling it the Donald J.

38:42 Trump and Jeffrey Epstein Memorial Reading Room.

38:44 Like again,

38:45 No, I don't like that.

38:46 Now I'm very now I'm very

38:48 into a political thing.

38:49 Like stop using these girls pain for politics.

38:53 They're not even that political.

38:56 Yeah.

38:55 A lot of them voted for mega.

38:57 Yeah, even.

38:58 They did and I hate to say it,

39:00 but like when this story wasn't so driven by the left,

39:06 Yeah.

39:05 they it wasn't like that.

39:07 Like and I'm happy that there's accountability

39:08 and that people are talking about it.

39:10 Like Trump needs to have accountability for this too, just like everybody else.

39:14 Like stop using these girls as props.

39:16 I'm so over it.

39:18 I know.

39:18 And they would too.

39:20 I really they would like and I'm sure they feel like

39:22 it right now and it's just it's cuz the full story,

39:25 if you really want to know the full story,

39:26 you better have to call in all the icons from both sides

39:30 and you better be willing to tear

39:31 down basically the foundations of our political,

39:35 financial, uh research, uh universities, Mhm.

39:42 you know, every major institute, technology, this touched everything.

39:47 Mhm.

39:47 But if you use it for political purposes,

39:49 you're not trying to get down to the heart of it.

39:51 Yeah, some survivors have visited,

39:53 so I'd love to know like kind of what their thoughts were on it in the space.

39:56 I know Danny went there.

39:58 Um, you know, I was bummed that fewer people didn't come to Virginia's memorial.

40:03 Like I felt like more people should have been there.

40:05 Yeah, I didn't really know about it until I saw you were at it.

40:08 Not that I was in DC that weekend,

40:09 but certainly more people should have been at that, which is good.

40:11 She's one survivor.

40:12 Not everyone knew her, but like she really was the person to speak out.

40:16 And um, she really paid the price for it.

40:20 And I'm I'm like and I know it's hard.

40:24 Like it's really hard.

40:25 I talked to girls that still won't talk and speak out and that's fine.

40:29 That's their choice.

40:31 Well, I mean you see where it's going.

40:32 It's like really difficult to give somebody the confidence

40:35 that if they come forward with something as vulnerable and damaging

40:37 and life-changing as coming out with the already vulnerable

40:40 and horrible and life-changing thing that happened to you again.

40:43 Like it's totally understandable to me that they don't

40:46 want to come forward until they see some accountability.

40:49 Then maybe they'll feel like, "Okay, I can come forward now." Exactly.

40:53 Um yeah, it's it's so true.

40:55 I just I wish that they felt like there was a reason to.

41:01 Yeah.

41:01 Well, when I'm not thinking about the horrors of the Epstein files,

41:04 which is nearly always, my new hyperfixation has been the hantavirus.

41:08 Are you following the updates on the hantavirus?

41:11 No, I haven't.

41:12 Tell me about it.

41:13 Okay, so there are 17 Americans on this ship.

41:15 The ship that took off was to take people

41:18 on on a a vacation essentially to the most remote areas in the entire

41:22 world where people don't live and honestly shouldn't go and they're

41:25 saying that maybe this is where they contracted the hantavirus,

41:29 which is a virus that you

41:30 get from potentially inhaling particularized rat urine.

41:36 I was like I I cannot imagine a more horrific thing to like

41:40 in New York, by the way.

41:42 God, but like That's what it looks like in New York, virus.

41:45 They're just say they're This is how they got it.

41:47 Concentrated particularized rat urine.

41:49 I was like, "Good Christ.

41:51 I can't think of nothing worse." And so there's these 17

41:54 Americans on this ship and it's docked in the Canary Islands.

41:58 And so the United States is working with Spain to get

42:01 these 17 Americans off of this ship and bring them to Nebraska.

42:07 Why are they bringing them to Nebraska, you may ask?

42:10 And does Nebraska know that they're bringing 17

42:13 people protect potentially with the hantavirus to Nebraska?

42:17 It's because that is where the national quarantine unit is.

42:22 It's a federally funded quarantine facility.

42:25 And the Nebraska biocontainment unit is there.

42:27 They're using an airplane that was specially

42:29 created during COVID-19 that contains a biocontainment unit

42:33 on the airplane and like specialized people

42:35 to fly the plane and nurses and doctors.

42:38 Um So, they're doing They're in the process of doing this right now.

42:42 And they will be bringing the people in there and trying

42:46 to continue to have them quarantine and check on them.

42:49 The thing that I in my research about it,

42:51 I was like, okay, well, what does this place look like?

42:53 And like, how many beds do they have?

42:55 There are 17 people that they are bringing back.

42:58 But as of like even the 2020 pandemic, there were only 10 beds.

43:02 So, I'm like, are you going to like bunk bed people in there like that?

43:05 Are you going to like Like this is kind of what they look like.

43:08 This was like a practice run of the place.

43:11 like COVID.

43:11 I'm getting COVID flashbacks.

43:13 It does look like COVID.

43:14 And it And it's It's probably like really cool.

43:17 Like if I knew more about the science behind it,

43:19 it's probably really like a cool thing that Nebraska can do.

43:22 But if I were in Nebraska, I'd be freaked, man.

43:25 But these are all the diseases and viral infections that they can treat there.

43:29 Um maybe they want to take some of the folks

43:31 from the Texas measles outbreak and give them some help,

43:35 but uh I don't see hantavirus on this list,

43:39 but apparently it It falls under disease X, new and emerging special pathogens.

43:45 And that's what's happening.

43:46 But there are already some people in There's a couple folks in Arizona,

43:51 California, Georgia, Texas, Virginia,

43:53 and New Jersey that are all being monitored because they may have come

43:57 in contact with somebody who may have

43:58 come in contact with the hantavirus person.

44:01 But none of those people have symptoms so far.

44:03 So, symptoms though?

44:05 It's like awful.

44:06 You get extremely sick.

44:08 It's like You can get sick.

44:10 You can throw up.

44:10 You can become dehydrated.

44:11 You can bleed.

44:12 You can It's It's like horrible horrible horrible respiratory infection.

44:16 You can like Yeah, cough blood.

44:18 Like awful awful stuff.

44:23 Yes.

44:24 So, it's pretty pretty not a great thing.

44:26 40% mortality rate.

44:28 Not feeling so great about it.

44:29 Hard to spread, which is good.

44:31 It's not something that's like, you know, airborne like super easy to spread.

44:35 But This is why I don't go on cruises.

44:38 I can't be cruising.

44:39 I can't be out here cruising.

44:40 I feel like there's just too many horror stories.

44:43 No.

44:43 There Why would I want to go on a boat where I would get stuck on the boat?

44:46 Every time I hear about a cruise, something bad has happened to people on it.

44:50 So Short and sweet if you're going to do it.

44:52 Good luck.

44:54 I am suspicious of everything now and I feel bad.

44:58 So, I'm you're like This is the thing.

45:00 You're going to tell me that they went

45:02 to the This sounds a little Wuhan wet market.

45:06 A little bit.

45:06 It's a little bit.

45:08 Not Oh, we didn't make this one up again.

45:10 We didn't like try to see Well, They're They're like, "Well,

45:13 they went to Patagonia's most remote island

45:16 and they visited a landfill." Who does that?

45:21 That's what they said.

45:22 I was like, "You're so full of shit." I don't believe it.

45:25 It seems like because they don't want to admit that they're

45:27 cooking up viruses all day long and sometimes they get out.

45:30 Risky dangerous stuff.

45:33 I just I I don't know, guys.

45:35 It's I You're going to have to really prove me wrong on this one.

45:40 There are a lot of rats in New York City and there's a lot of rat pee.

45:44 Right.

45:44 So, and no hantavirus.

45:45 You're right.

45:46 If I I don't know.

45:47 I don't know how they got into it.

45:49 What kind of special situations they got into.

45:52 But, it's also odd for it to go from It's

45:54 It's like not supposed to be human to human passed, but I guess that it is,

45:58 but we should probably We'll get an epidemiologist

46:01 on next week and we'll see where we're at.

46:03 But yeah, they're taking those people off the ship,

46:05 and they're sending them to Nebraska.

46:07 So, very much good luck to you in Nebraska.

46:10 Um y'all have the facility to deal with it, I guess.

46:13 And I guess if I worked at that facility,

46:15 I'd be like, yes, this is what we've been waiting for.

46:18 It's like you're preparing for this moment.

46:20 You're not You're not sure if it'll ever happen.

46:23 The only people excited about hantavirus in the world have got

46:25 to be the folks working at that Nebraska facility who are like,

46:28 we get to do our special thing.

46:31 Well, I was going to say me out of reserves.

46:33 Take me out of reserves.

46:34 I know, but people not getting to do their special thing,

46:37 Canvas, a popular cloud-based digital hub for classrooms,

46:40 has more than 30 million active users globally with 8,000 institutions on it.

46:44 Basically, no one can take their college finals right now,

46:47 and no one can access their notes

46:48 or lectures because they were hacked by Shiny Hunters,

46:52 that's the name of the hacking group.

46:54 And they're essentially saying, pay us or we will leak all of this data

46:58 from like all of these 30 million active users.

47:03 And but the worst part is though, people can't take their final exams.

47:07 I don't know, that sounds like a good thing to me.

47:09 I would be like, I guess you have to just give me an A.

47:11 I mean, when we had 9/11 at school in New York,

47:15 they just gave us A's for the semester.

47:16 They were like, okay, everybody passed.

47:19 traumatized.

47:19 See you next See you next time.

47:21 Let's just try to Let's just try to learn something maybe, if you can,

47:24 but you all get A's, and we'll we'll try again in the spring.

47:27 I got A's when after 9/11, but I don't know.

47:30 Well, we were on Staten Island, and they were like, this is, you know,

47:32 you have to be on Staten Island and 9/11, you all get an A.

47:36 That's good.

47:37 like, 20 minutes from New York City.

47:39 I was in a commuter town.

47:40 You could see the towers.

47:41 have gotten an A then.

47:43 They should have been like, They were just like, Jersey strong, move on.

47:46 Jersey strong, move on.

47:47 No.

47:48 They were like, Staten Island, we are victims, okay?

47:51 We are victims, and we deserve participation trophies everywhere,

47:55 and we're going to talk about this forever.

47:56 Because I remember Staten Island has the big dump.

47:59 And so they were like bringing the pieces of the thing to Staten Island.

48:03 It is.

48:04 It is a I don't know why I picked it there.

48:06 Tell you what, when Wagner College puts you on the tour,

48:09 they like show you like Grimes Hill and the most beautiful parts and like

48:12 how your camp your school window will overlook the skyline of New York,

48:16 and they like sell the ferry to you as like a romantic thing.

48:19 It was not.

48:20 It was not.

48:21 I was in college and they're selling college.

48:24 Yeah.

48:24 I was in high school in New Jersey.

48:26 Oh, no.

48:26 They were like, pray to the Lord for this.

48:28 we were like, move on.

48:29 And like kids in the school lost their parents.

48:32 No, that's terrible.

48:33 No, they were so Well, I was in theater school.

48:36 They were like, you all get an A and we'll be

48:37 exploring this trauma in next summer's production of I don't know,

48:42 Cabaret or something awful.

48:45 Oh my god.

48:46 For all the kids to know about this traumatic experience.

48:50 Well, and the last thing that's happening

48:51 in headlines just to round out our Friday is that ABC is now threatening to sue

48:55 Trump over an FCC investigation into The View,

48:59 a show that Trump has just hated and still hates and will forever hate.

49:04 But it's conservative lawyers leading the effort

49:06 saying that the president is threatening the license

49:08 of a major broadcast network because he just

49:10 doesn't personally like the shows that they host.

49:13 And that is[ __] insane.

49:15 They didn't They didn't say that.

49:16 They said that it's unconstitutional, but it is kind of insane.

49:20 Yeah, it is.

49:21 He hates I think he hates like Joy.

49:24 He hates Joy.

49:25 Ana Navarro, he Joy's been on him.

49:28 Ana Navarro's on him.

49:29 He used to hate Rosie O'Donnell.

49:30 He hates women.

49:31 So he certainly doesn't like a show.

49:33 Is that weird?

49:35 Who?

49:35 Rosie.

49:35 I kind of miss her.

49:36 She's coming back, I think.

49:38 I think she's coming back from Ireland sometime.

49:40 She was like, when he got elected, she was like, deuces.

49:43 And I'm pretty sure she's going to come back, though.

49:45 I bet we see Rosie on like The Traitors or something soon.

49:48 I feel like you could have had a Rosie show.

49:50 I mean, I was I still can.

49:52 We might.

49:53 We'll see.

49:53 I'll get Kush balls in

49:55 mean this is I mean you probably get the same number she did.

49:59 Yeah.

49:59 We need a lesbian to have a talk show at all times.

50:02 Lesbians are so good at talk shows.

50:04 We are.

50:05 We're so interesting.

50:06 We're actually lesbian lesbians.

50:08 Lesbian lesbians.

50:08 Yes, like Broadway nerd lesbians need a talk show because we cannot redo Ellen.

50:14 Um so yeah.

50:17 I know.

50:18 I was realizing that that Rosie actually got

50:22 her first gig at 30 something like early 30s.

50:26 Yeah, at least.

50:27 It can happen.

50:28 It can happen.

50:30 I I yeah, come back from Ireland.

50:33 We need you.

50:33 We need the whimsy.

50:34 I want to get the Ricky Lake show back actually.

50:36 That would be my dream.

50:38 I think we kind of have it, right?

50:39 It's on CNN now.

50:42 Yeah.

50:42 That's true.

50:43 Abby Phillips tonight is definitely the new Ricky Lake.

50:46 And she's kind of more the new Jerry

50:48 Springer a little bit but with political pundits.

50:51 I actually love it.

50:52 I'm like I say that all the time.

50:53 I think it's one of the best shows on TV honestly.

50:56 She's an excellent She's an excellent referee for what it

51:00 is that they're putting out there and the the table

51:03 does tend to respect when she says enough which I think is the most you can do.

51:08 She's so smart.

51:08 I mean she can really like she's brilliant.

51:12 She can handle and way more.

51:14 But Spend your weekend reading Tara's report from the Red Letter.

51:18 It's on Substack.

51:20 Um and there's a couple YouTube videos in it also.

51:22 John Kerry's uncomfortable Epstein connection.

51:25 Thank you V for having me on.

51:29 Yes.

51:29 Goddess and Yeah, I appreciate you giving me this time and anytime.

51:34 Keep it up.

51:35 I think I've talked about Epstein enough.

51:37 If my name's on a list,

51:38 it's not going to be double on a list for keep talking about it, you know?

51:41 Like they probably already got my number.

51:43 So I know.

51:45 If my personal Mossad agent is listening, hello.

51:48 We still want to talk to Amanda though.

51:49 We want to talk to Amanda still.

51:51 Um, you'll probably have that soon, I imagine,

51:54 as soon as she feels safe about it.

51:55 You know who I miss is my personal Chinese agent from TikTok.

51:58 When the Chinese owned TikTok, it was so good.

52:00 That app was phenomenal.

52:02 And now it's like a little harder.

52:03 Mhm.

52:04 It's a little harder.

52:05 It is.

52:06 It is.

52:07 We're on TikTok right now.

52:07 We're streaming.

52:08 We're streaming over there.

52:09 Hello, TikTok friends.

52:10 But don't you miss when the Chinese ran that app?

52:12 Man, it ran like clockwork.

52:13 It was perfect.

52:14 Now it's like glitchy a lot.

52:16 I was afraid they were going to take my brain

52:17 out of rhythm and make something out of it.

52:20 I really didn't.

52:21 I mean, I have a I have a TikTok.

52:22 I only put things out there.

52:24 And you know what they say, you in love you only get what you give.

52:27 Yeah, so you know, you got to be a you

52:29 got to be a dual a dual citizen on TikTok.

52:32 I was afraid of what was there.

52:34 I didn't want to fall in love with a Chinese spy app.

52:36 Oh, it's so good.

52:38 So, and now Instagram is my love.

52:41 Instagram is my love, too.

52:42 Instagram does great.

52:43 Shout out to the Instagrammers that are watching right now.

52:47 And hit that subscribe button, guys.

52:48 YouTubers, please.

52:49 I still love my Instagram.

52:51 We need you and on and on Substack.

52:53 That's like how I can do investigative work.

52:57 Same.

52:56 And same for me, too.

52:58 Hit that subscribe button.

52:59 It's where we're at.

53:00 Can't do it without you.

53:01 All right, homie.

53:01 I'm going to let you go.

53:02 Enjoy New York City.

53:04 I will see you soon.

53:05 Okay.

53:06 Bye, everyone.

53:06 Thanks to everybody who came.

53:08 Bye.