The Olympian Mindset Trick That Will Make You Unstoppable | Chloe Kim

0:00 I did not give up when I could have.

0:01 People were telling me that maybe it wasn't a good idea to do this.

0:04 I was not going to let up.

0:05 Like I wanted to believe in myself and show myself that I could deal with this.

0:09 I don't know if you can ever truly eliminate self-doubt,

0:12 I think you can maybe quiet the noise a bit.

0:15 But the minute something doesn't go your way,

0:17 that self-doubt's going to come right back.

0:19 At just 17 years old,

0:21 she became the youngest woman to win Olympic gold in snowboarding,

0:24 establishing herself as one of the most dominant athletes in her sport.

0:28 We have the inspiring Chloe Kim in the house.

0:31 My dad later on told me that if I didn't make it by the time I was 13,

0:35 we wouldn't be able to afford it anymore.

0:37 The most pressure I felt from them was

0:40 actually as we got closer to my first Olympics.

0:42 I had to have a sit down with my parents.

0:44 Like, guys, this doesn't feel good.

0:47 Really,

0:46 this feels really intense.

0:48 I am so grateful that I got to go

0:50 through some really intense moments at such a young

0:53 age because now I feel like I can get

0:56 through whatever and accomplish whatever I put my mind to.

0:59 And what was the greatest lesson you learned from that experience?

1:03 I think grit, like true grit.

1:09 Before I had you on here today, we had another snowboarder on.

1:12 I don't know if you know Amy Pertie.

1:14 Love Amy.

1:15 and she was just singing your praises, saying how much she loves you.

1:18 I love her to death.

1:19 And I was like, Amy, if you could ask her one question,

1:21 you know, about about Chloe, what would it be?

1:23 And she goes, how does she perform under pressure and just look so free?

1:27 And that was one of the things she was asking about, like,

1:29 how does she look so free at the highest stages in the world?

1:33 And I'm curious, how do you perform

1:36 under pressure and make it look so effortless?

1:38 I just made a face when you said that because

1:40 I feel like I feel the same way about her.

1:44 Really?

1:43 Yeah.

1:43 So, I feel like the call is coming from within Amy.

1:48 Um, no, Amy's amazing.

1:50 She's such an inspiration.

1:51 She has such an incredible story and everything she's done for her sport.

1:56 It's been like

1:58 so cool and she's so cool, so gorgeous and smart.

2:02 Like, yeah, it's kind of not fair.

2:06 Yeah, she's everything to me.

2:08 Um, I would say for me personally, I don't know.

2:12 I don't think I think about it too much.

2:14 I think pressure.

2:16 Yeah.

2:16 I mean, obviously I do feel pressure, but I think I need a moment

2:20 to just sit with myself and recognize

2:22 that the pressure is actually I feel like outside voices,

2:25 people with expectations and people who want things for me,

2:28 which is such a blessing in disguise sometimes, but I see it as a blessing.

2:32 Um, I really appreciate that people believe

2:35 that I could accomplish all these things.

2:36 So I think I had to make that mental shift at a pretty young age really

2:42 and kind of recognize that, you know, there's a lot of voices out there,

2:46 but at the end of the day, it's because, you know, they believe I can do it.

2:49 So I feel like I have cheerleaders instead of, you know,

2:52 all these like scary expectations.

2:54 I think I kind of when I started to make that shift,

2:57 things felt a lot easier and smoother for me.

2:59 Do you feel like when you compete, you're not thinking about the pressure then,

3:02 or is it more about just wanting to have fun?

3:05 It's a little bit of both.

3:06 I love competing.

3:07 I'm a very competitive person, even outside of my sport, you know,

3:11 video games, any like PE was my favorite day at school growing up.

3:17 And I just loved competing.

3:18 I loved playing games, like all of it.

3:20 So, it's very rewarding for me when I get

3:24 to compete in something that I'm really good at.

3:26 And yeah, but I also do want to have fun.

3:29 I try to have fun.

3:31 Um, you know, transparently, I never like wanted a snowboard.

3:35 That was the sport of my choice.

3:37 What was this the choice you wanted?

3:39 Oh my gosh.

3:40 Well, I wanted to a lot.

3:44 I wanted to be a jockey.

3:45 A jockey.

3:46 I love horses.

3:47 Okay.

3:47 And I loved just anything horse related.

3:50 And in my mind, it was like horse racing.

3:52 Really?

3:52 This is when I was like three, four.

3:53 Cuz you grew up in SoCal, right?

3:55 Yeah.

3:55 Yeah.

3:55 Yeah.

3:56 So, I I don't know.

3:56 I was just always obsessed with horses.

3:58 My favorite movie growing up was Spirit.

4:00 Okay.

4:00 I don't know if you know your kid,

4:02 maybe your girls are like be obsessed with it one day,

4:06 but yeah, I really wanted to be a jockey.

4:08 I really loved figure skating.

4:11 Um, but my dad was the one that, you know,

4:14 kind of wanted me to get into a sport.

4:16 And so when I told him figure skating,

4:18 he was like, "Well, what about speed skating or hockey?" And I was like, "No,

4:23 like I'm not going to do that." So we started snowboarding, right?

4:27 Snowboarding was what he, you know, thought.

4:29 But you were grew up in was it Torrance you

4:30 grew up in or like you grew up socal area or

4:32 I grew up all over?

4:34 We moved a bunch.

4:35 Um so I've lived in Cypress, La Palma,

4:40 Torrance,

4:41 La Habra.

4:43 Okay.

4:42 And then I moved to LA.

4:44 I lived in Newport for a year and then I moved to LA.

4:47 But you started was it more

4:48 in Mammoth where you started really snowboarding then?

4:49 So you'd go up there and

4:51 Yeah.

4:52 Well, I actually learned in Mountain High and I

4:55 always want to give credit to Mountain High.

4:57 I love it there.

4:58 good mems, good mems, bad mems, crazy mems, all the mems.

5:01 All of it.

5:02 That's where it started.

5:03 That's where it started.

5:04 And then as I started getting better and getting,

5:07 you know, more serious, we started going to Mammoth.

5:10 Yeah, that's cool.

5:11 I mean, your dad, you mentioned your dad,

5:14 and he he he really started to invest in you early on then,

5:17 right, with snowboarding,

5:18 didn't he leave his career to kind of like go all in with you?

5:21 Yeah.

5:21 So when you when you have a parent

5:23 who's that much of a cheerleader and supporting you

5:26 how did you not also feel the pressure then of like oh this needs to work out

5:30 like I need to actually be good and succeed

5:32 because he's invested his life in this as well.

5:35 Yeah, I think that is definitely something that I thought about a lot and my dad

5:42 later on told me that if I didn't make it by the time I was 13,

5:46 like we wouldn't be able to afford it

5:49 anymore cuz my parents invested everything into my sport,

5:52 which is such a risky decision honestly to make, but I didn't know that.

5:59 And funny enough, at 13, I started doing really well and started to like,

6:03 you know, kill it in my sport.

6:06 But I think the most pressure I felt from them was actually as we

6:11 got closer to my first Olympics cuz I think that was the dream.

6:16 Mhm.

6:15 We finally did it.

6:16 I qualified for Sochi when I was 13.

6:19 Wow.

6:19 I don't know if you know this.

6:20 Um was too young to compete.

6:22 So you qualified but you couldn't compete.

6:25 Yeah.

6:24 I qualified in second.

6:26 Oh my gosh.

6:27 So I wasn't able to go.

6:28 So I feel like there was so much anticipation that built from that moment

6:33 and once I was getting closer like that 201617

6:37 season was the scariest season of my life.

6:40 Just the air every time I walked

6:41 into the like spaces was just so tense and stressful.

6:45 Feel like everyone's getting really intense hoping to qualify for the games.

6:49 Now I'm in contention to qualify for the games.

6:52 Like my I had to have a sit down with my parents.

6:55 It's like guys, this doesn't feel good.

6:59 Really, this feels really intense.

6:59 Like, I understand that you guys, you know,

7:02 obviously want this for me and I do too,

7:05 but I need a sense of normaly cuz

7:07 everywhere else I go does not feel normal either.

7:10 So, I just need home to feel like home.

7:12 Wow.

7:13 Yeah,

7:13 it's a lot of I mean, you were 16 going in 17, I guess, around that time.

7:16 So, it's it's almost like, oh,

7:18 what if I make a mistake or don't qualify or I fall?

7:22 then all this this like expectation like crumbles I guess.

7:27 Yeah.

7:27 And I want to say too into my first games qualifying was hardcore.

7:32 Like there

7:34 I mean there still still are, you know,

7:35 really good US snowboarding girls, but like back then

7:40 it was mostly, you know, US podium suites for the most part.

7:44 Like they were awesome.

7:46 Um, and so qualifying was really intense cuz

7:49 it's almost like you had to bring your agame.

7:52 Like if you qualified for the Olympics in the US,

7:55 it was almost just felt like you were guaranteed

7:57 a medal at that point cuz they were so good.

8:00 Yes.

8:00 And so

8:01 so it wasn't guaranteed.

8:02 It wasn't like, oh, this is going to be easy, you know?

8:04 No, I knew I had a good shot cuz I was podiuming consistently,

8:09 but I've never experienced that type of pressure

8:12 and like that type of expectation before.

8:15 And so I remember like going into all my runs for the qualifying events.

8:19 So a little more about the qualification process or tell me tell me.

8:22 Okay.

8:22 So basically it's the season before the Olympics.

8:26 There are I might be completely wrong

8:28 but there's somewhere but I think it's five events

8:31 four or five events and basically it's

8:34 the top four girls based on all those events.

8:37 So the way the best way to guarantee a spot is to like win a couple of them.

8:42 Um, top four go.

8:44 Top four.

8:45 Top four.

8:45 If

8:45 USA, yes, top four go.

8:48 And based on your results in those events,

8:52 they'll I think they take like the top three results or something

8:54 and then they average them out and then that's how they decide who goes.

8:58 So that was So you kind of have to be awesome for at least three events,

9:04 right?

9:05 Over like a six-month window or is that like a year or how long is that?

9:07 No, it's like a twomonth window.

9:10 Oh.

9:10 Oh man.

9:11 If you mess up in two months, you're done.

9:12 Yeah.

9:12 So, it's like you start the season being like, "Okay,

9:14 like I might go to the Olympics and it's like boom,

9:16 it's over." And then people are going to the Olympics.

9:18 It's so fast.

9:19 It's back to back.

9:20 I think the first qualification events in December, like early December,

9:24 and then the rest of them are low-key in January and then we go,

9:28 you leave like a couple weeks later,

9:30 February.

9:30 Yeah.

9:31 So, it's really intense.

9:33 How did you feel going into this recent Olympics then?

9:36 Because you were injured.

9:39 Yeah.

9:38 Like, how was your feel?

9:40 you didn't feel good because you'd previously won two gold medals,

9:43 but then you're going into this next Olympics a little injured,

9:46 not feeling good like you said.

9:48 How do you stay confident and also not let the fear of the pressure

9:52 or what if I fail or what if my injury holds me back or

9:55 the expectations of the world now?

9:58 Yeah.

9:58 How do you navigate that?

10:00 I mean, it was tough.

10:01 You know, I think that was definitely a really hard moment.

10:04 Um, probably one of the more difficult things I've had to navigate in my career.

10:08 I've had I've been so blessed and fortunate

10:11 to go into every single games completely healthy.

10:16 Mhm.

10:14 Um and luckily I had actually qualified for the games the season prior.

10:20 So you didn't have that stress.

10:21 I didn't need to qualify that season which was great.

10:24 That's great.

10:24 Yeah.

10:25 Awesome.

10:25 But you got to be healthy.

10:27 Exactly.

10:27 And so, you know, the plan was, okay,

10:29 I'm not going to compete that much this season.

10:31 I'm going to just train for the games and then go.

10:37 And that's what I did going into Beijing as well.

10:39 But unfortunately, the first training

10:42 camp I had planned in the winter,

10:44 that's when it happened, like the second or third day.

10:46 So, I had no reps going into this.

10:49 Wow.

10:49 Came straight back home, rehabbed as much as I could,

10:52 cuz it wasn't necessarily a pain issue.

10:55 It was more that my shoulder kept coming out.

10:59 And if your shoulder comes out, there's like not much you can do.

11:02 Yes, you can pop it back in, but it will just keep coming out.

11:05 Is this your left shoulder?

11:06 your right shoulder, my left shoulder.

11:08 And so it was one of those things where I think I spent a week,

11:14 maybe 10 days here in LA doing my rehab and then trying to get

11:19 back on snow as soon as possible to get a little reps in.

11:22 Um it's also probably the fear of if I fall and hurt the shoulder,

11:26 like the damage that that could have too, right?

11:29 Exactly.

11:28 And I don't want to get hurt before I go into the games.

11:31 Totally.

11:32 But I had already come up with a plan in my mind that was maybe insane.

11:35 But I was like, "Well, if it comes out, just put it back in, you know?

11:39 Let's just pop it back in.

11:40 It's fine." It wasn't painful.

11:42 Like, yeah, it hurts, but like also put it back in.

11:45 You're an athlete.

11:46 I live in a world of pain.

11:48 Like, I am always in pain.

11:50 So, this let's just add this to the list of things that hurt.

11:54 Um, but no, I think I was like, "All right, well, we'll just pop it back in.

11:57 I'll do everything I can.

11:58 We'll get a brace." But the most annoying thing was just that I

12:02 had to relearn how to do all my tricks without this arm

12:07 because you really need to like use the force of it, right?

12:10 Yeah.

12:10 And so how did you do that

12:11 to like hyper extend it almost and that's when it's the most vulnerable.

12:15 Like when I'm throwing my tricks, I need all my arms

12:18 cuz you're really swinging in the air.

12:20 I'm literally doing the most like flailing, like twisting, all of it.

12:25 cuz people watching might think, "Oh,

12:26 it's actually a lot of twisting of like the hips," which I guess it is,

12:29 but you need the wind up with the the upper body as well, right?

12:33 Interesting.

12:33 Yeah.

12:33 So, it was really hard.

12:35 So, the very limited days I had on snow,

12:37 I just had to like try to relearn how to do all my tricks with one arm.

12:40 With one arm.

12:41 And it's so disappointing because it's almost annoying.

12:44 I almost wish that it was this kind of dark,

12:48 but I had almost wished that it was a more serious injury if that makes sense

12:53 cuz then it was just clear that like I couldn't do it or like I you know,

12:58 but this whole gray area was really rough for me to navigate

13:02 cuz I'm like I feel fine.

13:03 I I feel like I can do this but my shoulder

13:08 comes out in the middle of my run.

13:10 There's nothing you can do.

13:11 I have to stop.

13:13 So that's where it's really frustrating and that's also where

13:15 it was frustrating because I felt like people wouldn't understand

13:19 what that was like either.

13:20 Yeah.

13:21 And I I mean I don't know if did you ever have the fear

13:23 of like okay I'm going whatever 50t in the air and if I fall on it

13:27 then also the pain of that you know I

13:29 might be done I guess if it's already vulnerable.

13:32 Yeah.

13:32 For me I'd be afraid of that.

13:34 I mean I was never one to worry about pain again.

13:36 Like I have had chronic back pain since I was 15.

13:40 So it's not a big deal.

13:42 It was just more inconvenient for me, I think, is the best way to put it.

13:45 So, how do you navigate that, I guess?

13:47 How do you visualize before going out for a run

13:50 at the Olympics when you're uncertain if you can actually complete the run?

13:55 I think it's hard like mentally there's always

13:58 this little voice in your head that's like,

13:59 "All right, well, this could happen." You know, prepare yourself for that.

14:03 I did the best that I could.

14:04 You know, I knew that I was

14:06 at a severe disadvantage because everyone else has trained,

14:10 ridden all winter long and I'm coming in.

14:13 I think the night of the final was my eighth day on snow.

14:17 Wow.

14:17 Total like in like six months or something,

14:19 right?

14:19 So, it's like I'm not where I could be,

14:23 but I'm also dealing with this, which is part of the sport.

14:27 I'm just going to do my best and whatever.

14:30 That's what I had to get to just like whatever.

14:32 So what is the what is the mental rehearsal that you have then either

14:35 you know the morning of an hour

14:38 before or right before to eliminate the self-doubt?

14:41 I think that's interesting and I'm curious to see what our listeners will think.

14:46 But I don't know if you can ever truly eliminate self-doubt.

14:50 I think you can talk yourself up to, you know, maybe quiet the noise a bit, but

14:57 the minute something doesn't go your way

14:59 that self-doubt's going to come right back.

15:01 Yeah.

15:02 And so it is hard to truly get rid of it.

15:04 And I think that's just normal too.

15:06 It's like natural, you know, human brains and minds.

15:10 We're kind of like always fearful of the unknown.

15:13 And that's where I was at too.

15:15 So I'm not going to sit here and be like, well, I didn't doubt myself at all.

15:17 I felt so confident.

15:18 That's not the case.

15:19 But I think I kind of have to sit there

15:21 and remind myself that I have to rely on body muscle memory.

15:26 Yes,

15:25 muscle memory is going to be my best friend here.

15:28 And I'm just going to hope for the best.

15:30 You know, maybe things won't go my way.

15:32 That's okay.

15:33 I feel really fortunate to be in a position

15:36 in my career where I've accomplished everything under the sun and more.

15:41 And so, I didn't feel like really strongly about,

15:46 you know, winning, if that makes sense.

15:47 Really?

15:48 So, you weren't you weren't really concerned like if I

15:49 get the gold or if I don't get any medals, you were going to be okay.

15:53 My goal was to get a medal,

15:55 right?

15:55 And you did it.

15:56 I did it.

15:57 Let's go.

15:57 Let's go.

15:58 Thank you.

15:58 You did it.

15:59 I did it, you know, and that was really

16:01 challenging in itself because there's so much new talent.

16:04 I've been doing this for over 10 years professionally,

16:07 you know.

16:08 I'm 26 now.

16:09 And you've won everything.

16:10 Pretty.

16:10 I've won everything multiple times.

16:12 X game, world championships, Olympic gold multiple times.

16:15 Multiple times.

16:15 And I think I'm really grateful to have had that experience.

16:20 I've done it all.

16:21 There literally isn't a single thing I want.

16:25 You feel complete.

16:25 which feels funny, you know, and I kind of got to that place in my early 20s.

16:31 That's incredible.

16:31 So, I feel like this last time I this past one, I just wanted to

16:36 have fun.

16:37 Just wanted to like enjoy it.

16:39 You know, obviously this didn't make it as enjoyable as it could have been,

16:43 but I think I enjoyed every minute of it and there's not a thing I would change.

16:46 Really?

16:47 That's beautiful.

16:48 So, you don't feel like,

16:49 you know, you wanted your goal was to get a medal.

16:51 It didn't matter if it was any metal.

16:54 Yeah.

16:54 And but you've won multiple golds.

16:56 Yeah.

16:56 So, was there anything inside of you that was like, okay,

16:59 you know, I got a silver, but it wasn't the gold.

17:01 Was there any part of you that felt like maybe

17:04 I don't know that was let down in any way?

17:07 Yeah.

17:07 I mean, I think that there's always going

17:11 to be a sentiment of like disappointment, of course.

17:14 Like, this is again something that I've trained for for 3 years going into it.

17:19 So, I'm also not going to sit here and be like, "Oh, well,

17:21 I'm fine with that." But I think it's important

17:25 to be kind to yourself in these moments and give

17:29 yourself that reminder that like I also wasn't coming

17:33 into this games like I had the two other times you know I can't

17:38 yeah healthy and fully ready and

17:40 right and like going into the other games

17:42 I had like two three months of training under

17:44 my belt going into the games and I here

17:46 I go into my third one with eight days period crazy

17:50 like that it's not fair for me to Yes.

17:52 I can dream and yes I can hope but if we're going to be realistic it I do

17:59 it's going to be very very difficult and I

18:01 am going to need some sort of miracle here

18:04 you know and you gave your best and so your mind you're like

18:07 best yes and also I want to say the first

18:10 two days I had training because now we have

18:11 to count the days the first two days I had

18:13 I had to learn to not get scared of snowboarding again

18:18 yeah not like falling and then day three it's like I'm throwing myself as hard

18:22 as I can to do all my tricks that I hadn't done in so long.

18:26 And thinking of your routines and what you're going to do yet,

18:28 right?

18:28 Like I haven't done my run, like I haven't learned my tricks back.

18:32 Now I have to do it with one arm.

18:33 Like it's hectic.

18:34 There's like yes, winning is awesome,

18:37 but being able to show up on such short notice

18:42 and just like do what I could is something that I've never done before.

18:47 And I think at the end of the day though it wasn't

18:51 the outcome that you know maybe I would have hoped for and everyone else

18:54 would have hoped for I still walked away with a very valuable lesson

18:58 that I don't think I could have learned what was in any other way.

19:02 And what was the greatest lesson you learned from that experience?

19:06 I think grit.

19:07 Like true grit.

19:09 I did not give up when I could have.

19:11 You know people were telling me that maybe it wasn't a good idea to do this.

19:14 I was not going to let up.

19:15 like I wanted to believe in myself and show myself that I could

19:19 deal with this and I could just that like I could

19:23 make something out of this and like I going

19:26 to the Olympics is such an honor and a privilege in itself

19:30 and I you know still had the best result out of the US women's

19:35 um I really think I accomplished so much more in a way cuz yeah I don't

19:42 know like I know if I were healthy and it was you I had all the reps.

19:46 You would have crushed it.

19:46 You would have I would have done exactly what I wanted to do.

19:48 I had to do such a

19:51 chill version of what I was planning to do and prepping to do.

19:55 So, yeah, that's where I'm at.

19:59 The grit.

19:59 Yeah.

19:59 Yeah.

20:00 I mean, I think it's like being at peace knowing that like, okay,

20:02 I could have won has if I was healthier, if I had a full season to train.

20:06 I knew I could have done.

20:07 You've already done it before.

20:08 Mhm.

20:09 But it's what I'm hearing you say is like learning how to stick through it

20:13 with the uncertainty, with the pain,

20:16 with having to learn my routine on eight days.

20:20 Yeah.

20:20 And having fun and being positive and knowing that I may win or lose.

20:25 Yeah.

20:25 That's the real lesson.

20:26 That's what I'm hearing you say.

20:27 That's the real lesson.

20:28 Yes.

20:28 Thank you.

20:29 Beautiful.

20:30 Beautiful way to articulate.

20:31 Now, I'm curious.

20:32 I'm a I'm a big fan of just psychology and sports psychology.

20:36 really how to prepare yourself mentally

20:39 for competition so that you can enjoy the most of it as well.

20:43 Yeah.

20:43 Is there any sports psychology you've learned over the years or picked

20:46 up whether it be like inner game tricks on breath work,

20:51 meditation, mindset, visualization,

20:53 or anything else that has supported you in believing

20:57 in yourself and being ready and prepared for competition?

21:03 H or have you just been a badass since the womb?

21:04 You know, you just came out and you're just like, I can do this.

21:06 No problem.

21:08 Oh my gosh.

21:09 I don't know.

21:09 I actually recently got diagnosed with ADHD.

21:12 Okay.

21:12 Like last week.

21:13 Okay.

21:13 Last week.

21:14 Yeah.

21:14 And everything made sense.

21:16 Tell me more.

21:17 Wow.

21:17 Um I definitely had like just this I was very impulsive.

21:23 M um I and it was funny cuz when I was meeting with my psychiatrist,

21:28 we were like walking through the list of symptoms and I was like,

21:31 I have every single one of those symptoms,

21:33 but it was mass so well in my sport cuz I think in a way it helped me, you know,

21:38 your ADHD helped you in sports.

21:40 Yes.

21:40 How so?

21:41 Well, cuz I couldn't focus, but I but with snowboarding,

21:44 that was like the thing I could really lock in on

21:47 cuz you got to be in the flow on the slopes.

21:48 You can't be distracted in the air.

21:51 Yeah.

21:51 And I wasn't.

21:51 And I was so focused whenever I was when

21:54 I had my snowboard attached to my feet, like

21:57 tunnel vision.

21:58 You're in the zone.

21:59 In the zone.

22:01 And I feel like, you know, another symptom I had was just chronic exhaustion.

22:08 So I after snowing, like I didn't want to go hang out with friends.

22:11 Like I didn't want to go out.

22:12 Like I just wanted a rest.

22:14 And so I feel like when I was on snow, all I did was snowboard and recover.

22:17 Snowboard recover.

22:18 Snowboard recover.

22:19 And I also feel like I never really experienced fear.

22:26 Like I wasn't really like scared of trying tricks.

22:29 And I have a very vivid just imagination.

22:33 So I feel like if I wanted to try a trick, I could

22:37 visualize it before, you know, without even doing it.

22:40 If I watched videos of other people doing it,

22:42 I could like gauge what they would be seeing.

22:45 And that was always fun because then I'd go try

22:47 it and I would see what I thought I would see.

22:49 And you didn't have fear that what you would

22:51 fall or hurt yourself or not make it or No.

22:55 Really?

22:55 Yeah.

22:55 Which is kind of crazy, huh?

22:57 Yeah.

22:57 So that I I would say that's maybe my one

23:00 superpower that I had in my sport was just I was always ready to go huck myself.

23:09 Fearless.

23:09 But do you think the ADHD helped you become fearless or was it just part of it?

23:14 I think it kind of huh I don't know how to describe it

23:18 but it's almost like because I my mind was always so occupied and busy.

23:24 I'm always thinking and you know snowboarding being my sport.

23:29 It was always about snowboarding for the most part.

23:32 And so I feel like I've thought about everything snowboarding related.

23:36 And then I would just always think about how I could be

23:40 better at that cuz that was the one thing I could focus on.

23:43 So if I had a bad day on, you know, in training,

23:47 I would come back home and really just like think about where it went wrong,

23:50 what I need to try, different things that I could try.

23:53 Like I would just hyper analyze, focus on that.

23:56 Is this like watching uh videos of yourself doing this or watching other videos

24:00 of other people and seeing how you could make this happen in your mind or how

24:03 or like maybe like remember seeing what I was seeing when I

24:07 was training and then trying to like alter that and correct that in your mind.

24:11 In my mind.

24:12 So, not watching video and doing this, but like a mental rehearsal.

24:15 Mental rehearsal.

24:16 Non-stop.

24:17 Obsessive.

24:18 Nonstop.

24:19 My mind is so loud.

24:20 So, it did affect my sleep in a lot of ways.

24:23 Yeah.

24:23 Would you be thinking about this all in bed at night?

24:26 Like just rehearsing tricks in your mind.

24:28 Yeah.

24:28 Like whenever I had a moment.

24:31 Interesting.

24:30 Um because I'm competitive, you know?

24:32 I want to go out there the next day and get it right.

24:36 I don't I also hate wasting time.

24:39 So, I'm like, "All right,

24:40 I have two more weeks here." Also sport being weather dependent.

24:45 Right.

24:45 Right.

24:45 I'm like, "Okay, there's two sunny days.

24:46 I need to lock in and get this done on these sunny days.

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25:48 Do you feel like the constraints of not having snow year round actually

25:53 allowed you to be better than if you had the ability to practice,

25:57 you know, every week all year round?

26:00 I mean, you still can practice every week all year,

26:02 but you were living here, I guess.

26:04 Yeah.

26:04 But, you know, when I first started and started going pro,

26:08 I would go to New Zealand,

26:10 I would go to um Switzerland, Switzerland, like go on Mountain Hood in Oregon.

26:16 I'd always on snow.

26:18 I'd maybe get a month off each year.

26:19 Got it.

26:20 But then I got to a point where up to me,

26:25 it's a lot, right?

26:26 Yeah.

26:26 I remember when I turned 20 Uhhuh.

26:29 I was like, I don't think I can do this anymore.

26:33 Like, it hurts.

26:35 Hurts.

26:36 I also went to college for a year.

26:38 So, I feel like when I came back from that, I was like,

26:40 wait, there's so many things I'm interested in.

26:43 And it's sad that I don't get to experience those things.

26:46 I want to give myself a little more time to become a whole person and not just

26:52 snowboard.

26:52 Snowboard.

26:53 Um, not just the greatest snowboarder of all time,

26:55 but someone else that also has a life.

26:58 Yeah.

26:57 Yeah.

26:57 I would love to have a life seemingly.

26:59 I don't know.

27:00 Just, you know, there are other things

27:02 that I love and I'm very passionate about.

27:03 And I feel like I started to realize that when I was at school actually,

27:07 and started meeting people that had nothing to do with sports,

27:11 action sports in general,

27:12 but were just so smart and passionate about other

27:14 things in their lives and were working towards those things.

27:18 I wanted that, too.

27:19 And I feel like I'd already accomplished it in snowboarding.

27:21 And I think naturally I developed some

27:24 curiosity for the other sides of the world

27:26 and the other sides of things that you know maybe I could experience.

27:32 Yeah.

27:30 And so after that awakening I'll call it I was

27:34 like I don't think I can travel this much anymore.

27:38 I want to cuz I also recognized that I am not going to snowboard forever.

27:43 And I think when I was at school I had

27:45 this scary realization of what am I going to do after

27:49 right?

27:49 you know, what am I going to do when who am I after sports?

27:52 Exactly.

27:53 And I feel like I wanted to nurture that when I was still,

27:56 you know, a teenager, you know, 20, 19, 20.

28:01 Um, so I started taking more time for myself.

28:04 I stopped going to New Zealand and all these places and I would start training,

28:09 you know, like midfall as opposed to starting in midsummer.

28:15 Yeah.

28:16 Yeah.

28:16 Interesting.

28:16 And I also I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong,

28:18 but I also heard you never really worked out

28:20 or you didn't like working out in the gym.

28:23 Yeah.

28:22 But we actually met in the gym and you're working out.

28:25 When did that through Roy uh so shout out to Roy.

28:28 Uh but when did you start working out

28:32 or you know enjoying it or liking that process?

28:35 I mean I still don't like

28:38 Yeah.

28:38 It's still hard.

28:39 It's still hard.

28:40 Yeah.

28:40 Yeah.

28:40 Yeah.

28:40 You know, I'd much rather be eating Yeah.

28:43 sugar candy all day.

28:44 eating brunch, you know, with my girls instead of being at the gym for an hour.

28:49 But I think

28:51 so when we first met, when was that?

28:53 Probably a year and a half, two years ago, maybe something like that.

28:55 I think somewhere around there.

28:56 Yeah.

28:56 Is that kind of when you started going

28:58 That's when I started being more consistent.

29:00 Really?

29:02 Yeah.

29:01 Why did you decide to from never working out

29:04 or not working out that much except for on the slopes,

29:07 which is a workout, but going to the gym and working out,

29:10 I guess, different types of working out.

29:12 Yeah.

29:13 Why did you decide to take that on?

29:15 Well, that was kind my fitness journey is definitely a journey.

29:18 So, let's talk about it.

29:20 So, I think after the first Olympics 2018,

29:24 I some people were telling me that maybe I should look

29:27 into a trainer cuz I had partially torn my ACL when I was 15.

29:32 And

29:33 I don't know, I just wasn't that strong in that leg.

29:35 And so, obviously, okay, let's work out and hit the gym.

29:38 Cool.

29:38 Met a trainer through Nike.

29:40 That's also how I met Vinnie was through this trainer.

29:43 And I just like wasn't really consistent.

29:46 Like I would do it for a bit and then I wouldn't and then I do it.

29:49 Yeah.

29:49 But I'm like, "Oh, I'm so young and like I want to have

29:51 fun during the summers." Like I didn't really learn time management well yet,

29:55 you know, like schedules and structure.

29:57 So then co happened.

29:59 I went to school and then co happened into going into my spring

30:04 semester and I put on a lot of weight when I was at college really

30:08 but like whatever.

30:09 But then CO hit and it we doubled down.

30:12 Yeah, it was bad.

30:13 You doubled down on the weight gain or really just like eating

30:18 eating, you know, chilling, not going outside.

30:21 Yeah, of course.

30:22 Um and then I I think that's also when I started to work with Roy

30:28 was like during co like the 2021 2022 new one I think.

30:34 And then I went back to snowboarding and it hurt like oh my gosh.

30:39 Really?

30:40 Yes.

30:40 Cuz I gained 40 lbs.

30:42 Come on.

30:44 Yeah.

30:44 So I was

30:45 40 lbs of muscle though, right?

30:46 You know, you were I wish I really wish.

30:49 But yeah, so I was sitting at, you know, 40 lbs heavier than I was

30:54 the last time I snowboarded and it hurt.

30:58 Just like the recovery or I mean being on the slopes or landing or all of it?

31:02 You know, and I I think that I was like, "Oh my gosh,

31:04 I'm getting old because this hurts for the first

31:06 time." But when you think about it,

31:07 you were like 20s.

31:09 I know.

31:09 I know.

31:10 I should be fine.

31:11 But it'd be like if I fell on my butt kind of hard, I'd be bedridden for a week.

31:17 Really?

31:16 Cuz you know, we fall from pretty high.

31:18 You're like 30, 40t in the air, I feel like.

31:20 Yeah.

31:20 Cuz the wall's 22 feet.

31:22 So then add how much you go from there and then you fall.

31:25 It's like a lot.

31:26 When I go snowboarding and I jump like 3 feet, I'm like scared to fall.

31:29 If I do a 180, I'm like, uh, I don't want to hit or hurt myself.

31:33 You're going so high.

31:34 So high.

31:35 And doing all these spins and falling a lot.

31:37 And it just really felt like I was getting beat up.

31:41 Then I somehow made it to Beijing,

31:43 but I was still, you know, carrying extra weight on me.

31:46 And after that season, I was like, I can't do this anymore.

31:50 This is so painful.

31:51 It makes me never want to do this again.

31:53 It's not enjoyable, huh?

31:54 It's not.

31:54 It's so hard.

31:55 And I don't like being in this much pain.

31:58 I'm used to pain, but this is excessive

32:00 over something so small.

32:02 We fall on our butts all the time,

32:03 and the fact that I couldn't handle it was just really hard for me.

32:09 Yeah.

32:08 And so that's when I just locked in.

32:10 After Beijing, I just locked in.

32:12 And I was like, I'm going to be consistent.

32:13 I'm going to go every morning like, I'm really going to stick to this.

32:17 I'm going to start jogging.

32:18 Roy got me on to jogging.

32:20 Started doing Pilates and I feel great.

32:25 Yeah.

32:25 You look fit.

32:27 Yeah, we we met in the gym.

32:28 I'd say there a few different times and I was like,

32:30 "Yeah, she's fit, you know, she's shape, strong."

32:33 Yes.

32:33 I love it so much.

32:35 Wow.

32:35 And I think now I feel good like after a workout.

32:38 So, I enjoy how I feel afterwards, but getting there and starting it's

32:42 getting there is rough,

32:44 you know?

32:44 You know, when he has a start on the bike, that's rough.

32:47 Yeah.

32:47 Roll your feet on the thing first and roll the bike.

32:50 What um how do you feel getting in the gym the last

32:54 four years supported you physically for this time around at the Olympics then?

32:59 I think that if I hadn't put that much work in, I don't

33:05 think I would have been able to come back in the way I did.

33:10 Really?

33:08 Yeah.

33:09 Cuz you know, people will still

33:12 compete in their respective sports with injuries.

33:15 Um, and sometimes you need like expedited rehab to get you there, you know,

33:21 for something like the Olympics or like a really important game or whatever.

33:25 Um, I think the reason why a lot of athletes are able to do

33:29 that and have such a quick turnaround is because they put in the work before,

33:32 you know, our muscles do protect us from a lot of things.

33:35 You know, people I have a partially torn ACL and so I got

33:38 my legs really strong and now everything's supported because my legs are strong.

33:43 Um, I have a thing with my shoulder.

33:44 you know, my arms are strong,

33:46 so like it can just support it a bit

33:48 more than if I didn't have all those, you know,

33:51 just put all that time into it.

33:54 And I think that

33:58 overall I just feel healthier.

33:59 Like I feel like I'm not in as much pain as I typically would be after a season.

34:04 Cuz even one trip to snow, you get pretty banged up.

34:08 Yeah.

34:08 you know, and so it's nice that when I come home, like, yes, I'm sore,

34:12 but I can bounce back pretty quickly and find,

34:15 you know, just peace and painlessness pretty quickly.

34:20 Yeah.

34:21 I mean, now that when was the uh was

34:23 it a couple months ago the Olympics ended, right?

34:26 Yeah.

34:26 Couple months ago.

34:28 Now that you had a little bit of time to kind of reflect,

34:31 what is what's the vision for the next few

34:33 years for you and you've accomplished everything like you said?

34:36 you accomplish your goal this time around

34:40 it, you know, is it trying to create new experiences in life?

34:44 Are you still trying to train?

34:45 Like what's next for your sports career?

34:49 I think, you know, I like to give myself time.

34:53 Um, I feel like I still haven't fully settled.

34:57 Yeah.

34:56 Cuz we get we are so busy post Olympics, interviews, all over the place.

35:01 Yeah.

35:01 So, I feel like I'm still in the midst of the chaos, but

35:04 you're still in the Olympics.

35:06 Yeah.

35:06 I'm still there.

35:08 Yeah.

35:09 Um but I don't So yeah, I don't know.

35:12 I don't I don't know.

35:13 And I don't think I need to know anytime soon.

35:15 I feel like I have time to make decisions and I feel like

35:20 there's a lot of like big decisions that are going to need to be made.

35:24 And I also want to honor that

35:27 I am a person outside of this, too.

35:29 And I want to continue to nurture that side of myself.

35:33 And so I'm again really blessed to be

35:36 in a position where there's not something else I want

35:40 really badly enough to where I'm going to have

35:43 tunnel vision and just lock in on that one thing.

35:45 I think now I'm in a position where

35:48 I can kind of do what feels right for me

35:51 and makes sense.

35:52 Yeah.

35:52 I've been watching some of your content just

35:54 of you talking about your interests outside of sports

35:56 and you know you talking about your relationship

35:58 a lot more online and sharing photos of you guys.

36:01 I'm curious what's the biggest lesson that he's

36:03 taught you through this journey as he's top

36:06 in the world of what he does and shout out Cleveland Browns but I'm from Ohio

36:11 but is there any lesson that he's taught you

36:12 through this journey from one elite athlete to another

36:18 first of all so inspirational

36:20 like been really fun to be by his side and support him and watch

36:23 him do all of these amazing things um there's he's the most deserving

36:28 he works so hard

36:31 hard

36:30 and I think that's definitely a big takeaway.

36:35 Mhm.

36:35 So consistent.

36:36 Like he's always working his butt off no matter what.

36:39 Sick.

36:40 When he sometimes he's like so sick.

36:42 I remember one time he was like coughing all night, did not get much sleep,

36:46 still shows up, goes to the gym, does his ridiculously hard 2-hour workout.

36:51 The only trade-off is is he'll take like a six hour nap.

36:55 He's like, I'm out.

36:55 Yeah.

36:56 But he's getting everything he needs to do first and then he's, you know,

37:00 sleeping, body work, everything.

37:01 Yeah.

37:01 Me on the other hand, I'm like absolutely not like I am not doing this.

37:05 I need to be babyed.

37:06 I need someone to take care of me.

37:08 If I'm coughing, I'm sleeping.

37:09 Yeah, exactly.

37:10 Um, that's interesting.

37:12 But that's something I really admire about him.

37:13 So, he's very disciplined no matter what.

37:15 So disciplined.

37:16 So stubbornly disciplined.

37:19 Wow.

37:18 Like there are moments where I'm like, maybe don't push yourself so hard.

37:22 Like you slept for 2 hours.

37:23 Like this can't be good for you.

37:25 He's like, "No, I got to go.

37:26 He wants to be great."

37:27 And I now I'm like, "Do your thing." You know?

37:30 Wow.

37:30 Lesson learned.

37:31 So that mindset, but it seems like he has a lot of fun, too, with you.

37:34 I mean, at least what's the lift for you guys?

37:36 That's good.

37:36 Yeah.

37:36 I mean, it's fun cuz we have so many things in common.

37:39 So, it's really easy.

37:40 And I feel like us both being athletes, we get each other, too.

37:43 There are a lot of times I'm like, "Yeah, yeah, you're good.

37:46 You're good." So, when was the first time you won a big competition?

37:49 What year was that?

37:50 Or how old were you?

37:52 I think I've won multiple big competitions for the first time.

37:55 Like the first big competition I won um was like for the youth division.

38:01 I was nine.

38:03 Nine.

38:03 Okay.

38:04 Okay.

38:04 It was cool.

38:05 It was my first international competition.

38:09 Wow.

38:08 And yeah, I was like 15 and under was that you And you won at nine.

38:13 You're being 15 year olds.

38:14 That's crazy.

38:16 Wow.

38:16 I know.

38:17 So that was what is that 15 years ago?

38:20 15 16 years ago.

38:21 like your first big competition that you won, right?

38:23 International level if you could go back and speak to, you know,

38:28 9year-old with all the wisdom and lessons you've learned.

38:33 Yeah.

38:33 Knowing everything you're going to accomplish over the last 15, 16 years,

38:36 what wisdom or advice would you share

38:39 with her if she was sitting right across from you?

38:43 I feel like this is a very common question and I love the idea about like you

38:47 know I love the idea at the same time though I don't think I would say anything

38:53 and I think that's also a very common response

38:56 because not that it's a bad question or anything I think it's more so just

39:00 I became who I am because of everything I experienced in the way that I did.

39:05 Yeah.

39:06 And I don't think I would change anything about my journey to get here.

39:12 I think everything that I endured,

39:14 whether it be amazing or incredibly difficult, was all meant to be.

39:18 And I think that's how I learned to navigate such difficult moments in my life.

39:25 Um, I think sport is one of the greatest lessons.

39:28 Yes, it is.

39:29 And you know, I I am so grateful that I got to grow in a sport and go

39:36 through some really intense moments at such a young

39:39 age because now I feel like I can

39:42 get through whatever and accomplish whatever I put my mind to.

39:48 Yeah,

39:47 that's beautiful.

39:48 What's the biggest lesson your dad taught you

39:50 from all those years of supporting and coaching

39:54 and encouraging and investing in time to support

39:58 you in accomplishing your dreams and goals as well?

40:03 H my dad's taught me a lot and I think very common in Asian families,

40:08 but dads typically tend to be a bit more

40:11 emotionally distant and that's where we butt heads the most.

40:16 Really?

40:15 Yeah.

40:16 cuz I would just be having a bad day,

40:17 whatever, and he would just be so frustrating to me.

40:21 And like my dad's such a talker.

40:23 He loves talking.

40:24 Like if you run into him on the street and say we know each other,

40:27 like he will talk to you for hours.

40:30 So much to say.

40:32 Um but I think my dad is he taught me it's a good question.

40:39 He's taught me so much.

40:41 There's is there anything that really stands out

40:44 in that way?

40:46 I think he just taught me how to be like to he taught me

40:53 what support like the true definition of love and just support as a parent.

41:00 Just blindly trusting that this is going to work

41:03 that we're going to do everything we can on our end to make this happen and like

41:08 he's going to love and support me unconditionally.

41:11 you know, even though some days he's spending all this money

41:14 to send me off to training and I had a terrible time training,

41:18 always just like believe that it's going to work out some way,

41:21 shape, or form and that he's going to support

41:23 me until the very end until we go completely broke,

41:27 which is when I was when I was going to be 13.

41:30 And then you started making some money and started working out.

41:32 Yeah.

41:33 Yeah.

41:33 Now we're moving now.

41:34 Like now we can like buy tickets for planes.

41:39 Well, that's great.

41:40 Yeah.

41:40 Now, I'm a, you know, I'm a new dad.

41:42 I have twin girls, five and a half months old.

41:45 Uh, is there any advice you have for me, you know,

41:48 for being the best father I can be to young

41:52 girls who have their own dreams and hopes and goals?

41:56 Any advice you'd give to me or any other fathers out there who have daughters?

42:02 My advice to you, as someone with no kids,

42:06 as someone who had a Sounds like a father, that was really encouraging.

42:09 And I'm sure it wasn't perfect all the time

42:10 and it was like maybe he was hard or whatever.

42:12 But from what you experienced with your father, any advice of what to do,

42:17 what not to do or encouragement for fathers out there?

42:21 I would say just to be as present as possible.

42:24 Honestly, I think experience is the greatest teacher.

42:28 And I can't sit here and be like, well, support them.

42:31 Like that could mean different to your daughters.

42:34 That could mean mean something entirely different to you.

42:36 But I think you have to be open to learning

42:41 and growing and evolving with them and just being present,

42:46 you know, and just being there.

42:49 Do you feel like your dad was pretty present most of the time

42:51 or was he just driven on you accomplishing and getting better mostly?

42:55 I think he was my my dad also definitely has ADHD.

43:00 He's all over the place, too.

43:01 He's like all over the place, but he always showed up.

43:04 Yeah.

43:04 and he he is the most reliable person in my life.

43:09 Um, you know, I'll call him and if I'm washing my hands

43:12 on FaceTime and he hears the sink make a funny sound,

43:15 he's like, "I'm coming over

43:17 tomorrow afternoon to fix that." Like the water is like weird.

43:22 Um, I think he always similar to me and I

43:26 feel like I kind of took this from him,

43:28 but before I was obsessively thinking about how to be a better snowboarder,

43:32 he was doing that for me.

43:33 And so he'd always come up with cool new ideas.

43:38 My dad recognized one time randomly that So I'm goofy, right?

43:44 Mhm.

43:45 Um so

43:45 which people means what does it mean for people?

43:48 You're silly in life, too.

43:49 Goofy.

43:50 No.

43:50 So goofy and snowboarding means that your right foot is forward.

43:53 Yeah.

43:54 Um, but my dad felt like if my back arm was flailing while I was snowboarding,

44:02 it would make me really unstable if your left arm was flailing.

44:06 Like my back arm.

44:07 Yeah.

44:07 Yeah.

44:11 So, my dad attached this like little tennis keychain.

44:15 It was a little ball on my pants and he

44:18 made me hold that while I was snowboarding and doing tricks pretty much.

44:23 That's interesting.

44:24 And so now when I snowboard it was so but it worked like my arms are very stable

44:29 as opposed to like out here flailing around out there

44:32 and that's what it used to do.

44:35 Yeah.

44:35 So it worked.

44:35 My dad was an engineer so he has this engineer mind and he's

44:39 always thinking all these things and he also this is before it was common.

44:43 So when I started doing well in competitions it

44:46 was because I became really good at writing switch.

44:48 So switch means I'm riding in the opposite way.

44:51 So now my left foot is forward, which is unnatural to me.

44:53 So hard.

44:54 Every time I switch into Goofy, I'm like,

44:56 I feel like I'm going to fall every day.

44:57 Yeah.

44:57 So you got good at riding both sides.

44:59 Yeah.

44:59 So my dad would make me, you know,

45:02 he'd get mad when I didn't do it because it was so important to him.

45:06 And in hindsight, for me as a snowboarder now to be good at riding switch.

45:10 So whenever I was getting on the chairlift, it had to be switched.

45:14 Whenever I was riding down to the halfpipe had to be switched.

45:18 Everything had to be switched.

45:20 Um, I had to like do a whole day in the halfpipe just switch,

45:25 hitting all the going off all the jumps,

45:27 switch, doing everything I could switch because he

45:30 really wanted me to get good at writing switch.

45:33 And he recognized before I did that switch

45:36 writing is going to be really really helpful.

45:39 Huge.

45:39 Oh, it's going to be huge.

45:40 Right.

45:41 And now it's like you have to like reverse almost to be good.

45:44 Yeah.

45:45 Exactly.

45:46 It gets you more points, right?

45:47 Yes.

45:48 Yes.

45:48 So back then though, no one was really doing that except

45:51 for the Sochi gold medalist Caitlyn Ferington.

45:54 She was really good at spinning backside and was really good at writing switch.

45:57 And you were what, 13 then?

45:59 Is that right?

45:59 So he was like, "You need to start

46:01 doing this in order." He really saw the future.

46:03 He saw me do it way before then though.

46:06 Wow.

46:06 But he saw the future like, "Okay, when you're 16, when you're 20,

46:08 when you're 24, if you're not doing this, you're not going to win."

46:12 Yeah.

46:12 Or this will give you a greater chance.

46:15 Yeah.

46:14 That's some great vision from your father.

46:17 Yeah.

46:17 So, we definitely but had a lot because to me I'm like this is so dumb.

46:21 Like I should just be working on bigger tricks in my natural way.

46:24 But he was like no.

46:27 Wow.

46:28 Yeah.

46:28 So you got to listen to your dad sometimes, right?

46:30 Even if you didn't want to.

46:31 And I do.

46:32 Yeah.

46:32 I mean now we have a much better relationship.

46:35 I think after the first Olympics he was kind of able to let me go.

46:38 He definitely was a tiger parent.

46:41 Really?

46:41 A thousand%.

46:43 Again, I didn't want to snowboard.

46:44 Like that wasn't my sport.

46:46 So I kind of just did it and you know he did it because he wanted you to do it

46:51 pretty much.

46:52 But at least he was showing up with you all those times, right?

46:54 He was like he had to be on the slopes with you.

46:57 Exactly.

46:57 So you're spending some I guess quality time together too.

46:59 You're spending a lot of Yeah.

47:01 But he was on top of you.

47:03 Yeah.

47:03 My dad is was a very intense person.

47:06 So it was hard.

47:07 It was hard.

47:07 I definitely have some trauma.

47:09 But but we're in such a good place now that I think as I

47:14 reflect um you know whether it be in therapy or on my own

47:18 I am really grateful for him.

47:20 I think you know at the end of the day

47:23 regardless of how much you love somebody you can

47:25 still hurt them and we definitely hurt each other.

47:30 Yeah.

47:29 So yeah I think very forgiving.

47:31 Like I understand where he's coming from.

47:33 Like could he have been a little better?

47:35 Absolutely.

47:36 But I can't hold that against him.

47:38 But he also helped you become the greatest of all time.

47:39 So that's exactly, you know,

47:42 and you didn't ruin the rel he didn't ruin the relationship, which is good.

47:46 I'm I'm curious.

47:47 You've mentioned therapy.

47:48 You've mentioned you've talked to a psychologist before.

47:50 I've worked with sports psychologists.

47:52 I've worked with different therapists over

47:54 the years from my own personal healing journey.

47:58 What is the biggest lessons you've learned through therapy and starting

48:00 to create awareness around having ADHD and your own healing experience?

48:08 I think I think I started really actually going to therapy.

48:13 I think it's been almost two years now.

48:17 Mhm.

48:17 And it wasn't sport related.

48:19 But I I tried to go to, you know,

48:21 see sports psychologists and whatnot to get better in my sport,

48:24 but I I was getting kind of frustrated cuz it

48:27 just felt like you guys don't know what I'm talking about.

48:29 So, I don't really want to sit here and explain everything to you

48:32 cuz I feel like if I have to explain it to you, you don't understand.

48:35 And I'm paying you.

48:35 you don't trust in the A,

48:36 right?

48:37 I don't trust you at all.

48:38 And so I was like, okay, maybe I need therapy.

48:42 And the reason for therapy, it wasn't sport related.

48:44 It was mainly because I felt that I wasn't

48:48 I just felt like I wasn't being a good person in life.

48:51 In life, like friends, family, press, or like

48:55 friends, family, relationships, all of it.

48:57 I just felt like I was not showing up in the way that I should.

49:03 And I think that made me very concerned because my intentions are always good.

49:10 Like I always want to be a good person, but sometimes it was so hard to be that.

49:15 And did someone confront you and say, "Hey,

49:17 you're really not showing up for me or you're kind of like got a bad

49:19 attitude every time you're around me." Or was it more an internal uh I'm really,

49:24 you know, I saw someone was hurt or whatever.

49:26 Like how did you come to this?

49:27 I think it was a combination because I think that everyone

49:31 in my life is so kind and so supportive and so giving and genuine.

49:37 And I think that, you know,

49:40 they also were very understanding that I'm experiencing a lot.

49:44 You know, they see how busy my life is.

49:46 They see how much pressure, you know, people are putting onto me.

49:49 They're seeing

49:51 all of it.

49:52 You're so young at the time.

49:53 You're 21, whatever it is.

49:54 Yeah.

49:55 very unstable.

49:56 Like definitely very unstable person.

49:58 Well, you're trying to figure out your life.

50:00 Like exactly.

50:00 I didn't start figuring things out until I was my early 30s.

50:03 Yeah.

50:03 I was like, you really don't know who you are.

50:05 You're as a 21-year-old.

50:07 Yeah.

50:06 And you have all this pressure and everyone's asking you questions like

50:10 Yeah.

50:10 So really grateful for everyone being so understanding.

50:15 But I think for me, I I would also catch it.

50:18 You would catch it, be like, damn, I don't think that was nice.

50:23 Damn.

50:23 I don't think I should have handled things that way,

50:26 but it was so hard for me to recognize that in the moment,

50:30 like stop myself from getting there.

50:32 So, I was like, "Okay,

50:33 I'm going to try to go to therapy." And I love my therapist.

50:37 She's great.

50:37 Um, awesome.

50:39 Love catching up with her.

50:41 And we made a lot of progress,

50:43 like a like a lot of progress with my mentality,

50:47 like the way that I expressed myself.

50:50 It was a lot of hard work.

50:51 I was seeing her three times a week.

50:53 I've been there.

50:54 I've done that before.

50:55 Three times a week.

50:56 Like five hours on a weekend or Yeah.

50:58 I couldn't Yeah.

50:59 You got to go all emergencies.

51:01 Oh, yeah.

51:01 Yeah.

51:02 Yeah.

51:02 Like, hey, like I know it's 11, but like, oof,

51:05 girl, I need you.

51:08 Yeah.

51:07 You know, so shout out to her for showing up for me always.

51:10 But the ADHD, I just felt like, you know,

51:15 I have been working on myself for 2 years, not expecting a full 180 in 2 years,

51:21 but it still feels like a lot of time and like a lot of sessions.

51:24 And she's great and I feel like I'm being very receptive and I'm

51:27 doing my best and I can recognize the changes that I've made

51:31 through our sessions.

51:32 However, there's this one little thing that wouldn't quite go away

51:37 and it was I I just like was a very reactive person.

51:41 Like if you were triggered by something, you would react.

51:45 Boom.

51:46 Explode.

51:47 Explode.

51:47 Like how would this be?

51:48 You'd scream, you'd say something you didn't like, you would walk away.

51:52 Like I would feel it like my I would get so hot,

51:56 like so warm, so like I I don't know.

52:00 like maybe see red kind of vibes but not

52:03 really like I would never hurt anyone but you'd feel it

52:06 just like just feel my heart starts racing like my mind is

52:09 going a million miles an hour I'm thinking about all these things

52:14 and I hated that

52:17 because I always wanted to be calm

52:22 understanding logical assess the situation before you know

52:27 having any type of reaction but I couldn't even do that I was Instant boom.

52:31 I don't like that.

52:31 That triggered me.

52:34 You say whatever you said.

52:35 Yeah.

52:36 Or you do something or you walk away or whatever.

52:38 Yeah.

52:38 Yeah.

52:38 And like, you know, I'm not breaking stuff.

52:40 I'm like, you know, very upset.

52:43 And I didn't like that.

52:45 And so, I just felt like it was more than like I didn't feel like I felt like it

52:51 was too big of an issue for me to wait another 2 3 years for it to get better,

52:56 if that makes sense.

52:57 Cuz it wasn't getting better by itself.

52:58 It wasn't getting Yeah.

53:01 like you know I think if I wasn't good

53:02 at communicating or like expressing my emotions you know outside

53:07 of a really like triggering environment that okay we can

53:10 take the two two to five years to work on that

53:13 but like me feeling enraged in that way is not

53:17 something I want to work towards for another 3 years.

53:21 Wow.

53:21 So you like I need this to happen now.

53:22 I need to resolve this cuz I didn't like how I felt after.

53:25 It made me really sad cuz it's regret,

53:27 but I just felt like there was nothing I

53:29 could do to get out of that in those moments.

53:31 So, saw a psychiatrist.

53:34 And mind you, this these wouldn't happen often.

53:37 That's another thing.

53:37 Like it wasn't like screaming every day like freaking out every day.

53:40 No,

53:41 but like I like structure, I like consistency, I like all of that.

53:45 And so when all of those things would fall through,

53:47 like I would start feeling it.

53:49 Yeah.

53:49 So yeah, I saw a psychiatrist and he was like,

53:53 "Wow, so you have like severe ADHD.

53:58 It's severe and you also um have depression and anxiety." But he was like,

54:04 "Your ADHD is so severe.

54:07 Let's regulate that first because the depression

54:10 and the anxiety can also be caused by the ADHD." Okay.

54:15 So yeah, I feel good.

54:19 But you feel like a lot more like calm and relaxed and less reaction.

54:22 Much more calm, relax.

54:24 Like I feel like I had multiple situations come up

54:27 in the past week where that would have been kind of not triggering,

54:30 but like a little stressful to me and anxietyinducing, but I was like,

54:34 "Okay, no worries." Like, "Let's just pivot." I was like, "Wow, look at you.

54:39 You start to shift." Yeah.

54:41 I know.

54:41 Oh, and I also had my a session with my therapist yesterday and I was like,

54:45 I still want to work with you,

54:46 but I feel like now during our sessions, I can actually start

54:50 just healing my trauma and like talking about those things cuz

54:52 I'm not so caught up emotionally about what happened two days ago.

54:57 Now I can start talking about like things that I should Interesting.

55:01 So, a lot of your sessions were around like this just happened.

55:04 I need to figure out what to do now

55:06 because my mind just like is freaking out over something all the time.

55:10 I was I am so insane.

55:11 I would like talk to myself in the car because my mind is so crazy

55:14 that I'm like having conversations with myself

55:16 in the car because my mind will not shut up.

55:19 Sleeping was terrible non-stop.

55:22 So it's like snowboarding was the most chill time

55:24 for me cuz I could just focus on snowboarding.

55:26 You're in the zone.

55:27 But the minute I got out of it, oh my gosh.

55:30 Wow.

55:31 And so now what I'm hearing you say is when you meet with your therapist,

55:33 you can actually go back to the root of what's causing the stress

55:37 or where the trigger lies or wherever

55:39 the wound is emotionally or psychologically, right?

55:41 Yeah.

55:42 Cuz I was going to my therapist already triggered.

55:44 You're like, I just had this happen today.

55:45 Yeah.

55:45 I don't know how to deal with this.

55:47 Yeah.

55:48 Wow.

55:48 So I'm really excited about that.

55:49 So you haven't you haven't unpacked what that kind of deeper root cause is yet.

55:54 It's just now starting.

55:57 Yeah.

55:56 Well, I'm excited for you.

55:58 Thank you.

55:58 because this is where I mean it sounds like you've done

56:00 a lot of work to get here in the last couple years

56:03 and I I encourage you to keep diving

56:06 deep because it's can be terrifying and scary.

56:10 Yeah.

56:10 But it can I used to have chest pain for years

56:13 like like a sharp chest pain and I used to feel like

56:16 someone was choking me.

56:17 Oh my gosh.

56:18 Just because of the psychological and emotional wounds that I was holding on to

56:24 from the past.

56:26 And I remember after going deeper and deeper into therapy,

56:32 I I got to a place where I could finally like heal my heart.

56:35 As weird as this sounds, like the pain in a moment,

56:39 it like all made sense in my nervous system where the pain went away.

56:44 Mhm.

56:44 And I felt free for the first time.

56:46 Wow, that's amazing.

56:47 The first time, this is about four or five years ago.

56:49 And how long did that process take?

56:51 I mean, I've been doing different therapy.

56:55 I mean, I started when I was I'm 43 now,

56:58 so I started when I was 30, kind of going to workshops and doing therapy.

57:02 I did that for maybe a year, two years, and it really helped me heal a lot.

57:07 I mean, I went through a lot of stuff as well.

57:11 And but then I maybe didn't go back for many years cuz I felt like a lot better.

57:14 But then new things came up from a different relationship that triggered me.

57:17 And I was like, "Oh, there's still more inside of me that's holding me back

57:21 and why do I have this pain and why is

57:22 this going on?" So I went back again and and I

57:26 felt like and it doesn't mean every day is perfect.

57:28 I still get like frustrated.

57:32 Mhm.

57:31 But I don't hold on to the pain.

57:34 Yeah.

57:34 I still can get triggered and reactive,

57:36 but I don't explode like I did 10, 15 years ago.

57:40 Right.

57:40 So I react in different ways.

57:41 I catch myself much faster and I typically respond a lot better.

57:46 Yeah.

57:46 I'm not like,

57:47 e, I shouldn't have done that anymore, you know?

57:49 Whereas in the past, I was like,

57:51 I really need to apologize, you know, about what I said or how I reacted.

57:55 Now I'm just like, okay, I just didn't feel good,

57:57 but I learned to respond with more peace.

58:00 Or I learned to like pause and not say anything until I was ready.

58:04 Or I didn't send that email from her anger.

58:07 I slept on it and then I edited it and then I sent that.

58:10 You know, it's like it's learning.

58:12 Yeah.

58:12 I guess the psychological and emotional tools.

58:15 Damn.

58:15 You're sending off heated emails.

58:18 I mean, text emails.

58:19 and all sorts of stuff probably.

58:20 I mean, I I couldn't remember how this stuff,

58:21 you know, but it's like I got in fist fights,

58:24 you know, playing basketball games in West Hollywood,

58:26 probably right near right near where you train.

58:30 Yeah.

58:30 I was on the basketball court 13 years ago and I

58:32 got a fist fight for just being triggered by a guy.

58:34 Oh my gosh.

58:35 Yeah.

58:35 It was like explosive.

58:37 And so I've had to learn how to heal,

58:39 but it's all coming from a root cause of like a wounds.

58:42 Yeah.

58:42 Totally.

58:43 And you know, you had different wounds, I had wounds, everyone's got wounds,

58:47 but it's learning how to mend those wounds have given me a lot of peace.

58:52 Absolutely.

58:52 And then it's also refreshing and staying in that process

58:55 of healing because it's always it's an ongoing journey.

58:59 Yeah.

58:58 You know, it's just like I could easily fall back into it if I'm not practicing.

59:02 And so that's why I'm really excited to hear this about you

59:05 because I think a lot of people might see you and say,

59:08 you know, Khloe's got it all figured out.

59:10 She's a world champion.

59:11 She's the greatest of all time.

59:12 She's got it put together.

59:13 She's got the great relationship.

59:15 You know, she's fashion week.

59:16 She's doing all the cool things.

59:19 But to hear you speak about this, it's all a facade.

59:21 Wow.

59:21 It's not a facade.

59:24 It's it's a part of what you've created.

59:27 But what I'm hearing you say, this is the stuff I'm most excited about.

59:32 Yeah.

59:31 Because I think so many people hearing

59:34 this, it gives them permission to say, "Oh, okay.

59:36 If I've got some triggers, it's okay for me to go and and look into it.

59:41 And it's not something I could be have to be ashamed of.

59:43 It's something I could be excited about figuring out how to respond differently.

59:48 And so, I'm really excited that you're sharing this.

59:50 Thank you.

59:50 And thank you for sharing.

59:52 Wow.

59:52 Look at us.

59:53 You deserve one of these.

59:55 Look at I just think it's um you know, as an athlete,

59:57 I grew up playing sports and I was, you know,

59:59 I played arena football, so I was never good as your boyfriend,

1:00:02 but I played arena football and I was a dathlete and

1:00:05 Oh, wow.

1:00:05 And I'm currently, you know, I I was on the USA Wait, that's intense.

1:00:09 Yeah.

1:00:10 I mean, I've I've had my own sports journey.

1:00:13 Wow.

1:00:13 And I love your advice as well.

1:00:14 I don't know if you see this over here.

1:00:15 This a handball.

1:00:16 I'm currently I've been on the USA national

1:00:18 team for team handball for almost a decade.

1:00:20 So, I'm still pursuing my Olympic dream in LA 2028.

1:00:25 And I haven't been on the USA team in about 5 years,

1:00:29 but I played for almost a decade with the team.

1:00:31 So, I'm trying to get back into the USA national team.

1:00:35 Oh my gosh.

1:00:36 To go to the Olympics here in LA in 2 and 1/2 years.

1:00:39 And it's my own journey because most of the athletes are 23 years old.

1:00:43 I'm 43.

1:00:45 So I'm 20 years older than most of the athletes.

1:00:47 So I've got my own challenges that I'm and that I'm facing right now.

1:00:52 And at this age, it's not about training 10

1:00:56 hours a day and over going the extra mile.

1:00:58 It's actually about doing the bare minimum at the highest

1:01:01 level as possible so I can recover more.

1:01:03 Right.

1:01:04 Right.

1:01:04 And so I'm curious and I really believe the emotional

1:01:07 healing has given me the longevity as an athlete as well.

1:01:12 So I'm curious your advice for me as an athlete trying

1:01:16 to pursue the Olympic dream where there's no guarantee for me.

1:01:22 Mhm.

1:01:21 And this will be my last chance LA 2028.

1:01:24 What advice do you have for me as I've been pursuing

1:01:27 this for 16 years trying to being on and off the USA national team?

1:01:33 Yeah.

1:01:34 And I'm still pursuing it at this season of life.

1:01:37 Any advice you have for me with all the experience,

1:01:40 wisdom, and success you have as an Olympian?

1:01:42 Oh my gosh.

1:01:42 I feel like I can't give you advice on this like

1:01:45 because what you're doing is so incredible, you know, and I

1:01:49 there's no guarantees I'm going to make the team.

1:01:52 Yeah.

1:01:52 But I don't think that matters.

1:01:53 I think what matters right now is that when you

1:01:57 are working so hard to accomplish this dream of yours,

1:02:01 I think that's incredible in itself.

1:02:04 I think the only thing I would say maybe is to not compare yourself to anybody.

1:02:09 You know, you truly don't know what's going on.

1:02:11 It maybe isn't all glitz and glamour like as we're learning about ourselves.

1:02:16 Just do what you do best.

1:02:18 you know, there's only one you and just because you're a little bit

1:02:21 older than everyone else doesn't mean that you won't be able to accomplish it.

1:02:26 I think at the end of the day, hard work beats talent.

1:02:30 And it sounds like you're working pretty damn hard.

1:02:33 Working hard.

1:02:34 Yeah.

1:02:35 Yeah.

1:02:35 Yeah.

1:02:35 Exactly.

1:02:35 I mean, you've already won.

1:02:38 That's the goal.

1:02:39 But how do you not What advice would you give

1:02:42 to me or someone pursuing a goal or a dream in life,

1:02:46 whether it's the Olympics or anything else?

1:02:47 How do you not how do you focus on the process

1:02:52 without thinking about the prize of whether it's the the medal,

1:02:55 the team, the the money,

1:02:57 the relationship, like how do you focus on the process even though

1:03:00 you have the goal in mind but not being attached to the outcome.

1:03:05 Control what you can control.

1:03:07 Mhm.

1:03:07 You know like you the things you can control.

1:03:12 You can work hard.

1:03:13 You can be disciplined.

1:03:15 You can

1:03:16 you know be mindful about your recovery.

1:03:19 Invest in yourself.

1:03:21 Though it may seem selfish in the beginning, it's not.

1:03:25 I think investing in yourself is the greatest gift that you could give yourself.

1:03:30 Um, I think set little goals.

1:03:36 Mhm.

1:03:36 And I think it makes the journey much more exciting than dreadful.

1:03:42 Yeah.

1:03:41 I think it's so easy to look two, five,

1:03:44 10 years into the future and being like, "Oh my gosh, that's so crazy.

1:03:48 Like, I don't know if I'll be able to do that.

1:03:50 I'm not maybe, you know, I'm not good enough yet.

1:03:53 I don't know if I'll be healthy.

1:03:57 I don't know what my life is going to look like that I'm scared.

1:04:01 My therapist tells me that humans are naturally scared of the unknown.

1:04:05 So that anxiety, the fear, the doubt is so natural and normal.

1:04:10 Um but at the end of the day,

1:04:12 if you set small goals for yourself, control what you can control.

1:04:17 I feel like you're going to look up one

1:04:18 day and be exactly where you wanted to be.

1:04:22 Yeah.

1:04:22 Yeah, that's it's so interesting now we're talking and you're saying this to me

1:04:25 that you were actually a part of my Olympic journey dream because

1:04:29 2 years ago I hadn't played in 4 years cuz I got injured.

1:04:32 I hurt my Achilles.

1:04:35 Wow.

1:04:34 So I was playing up until about 2020 and then CO happened.

1:04:37 I was going through a breakup.

1:04:39 I hurt my Achilles and I was like maybe I'm done

1:04:42 and maybe this Olympic dream is over.

1:04:44 And then a couple years go by and I

1:04:47 start recovering and I actually call Vinnie and I say,

1:04:51 "Vinnie, this dream is still alive.

1:04:53 This Olympic dream." I go, "Can you help me?

1:04:56 Give me a game plan and work with me." And he goes, "Connect with Roy.

1:05:00 Come in here.

1:05:01 Come to Mild Detox.

1:05:02 I'll work on you.

1:05:03 Connect with Roy." And so I started training with Roy.

1:05:06 And probably, I don't know,

1:05:07 six months after that, I meet you and I see you in there and he's like, "Yeah,

1:05:11 Khloe's in here." and she's working on her stuff

1:05:13 and and so you're actually a part of my Olympic journey is inspiring me when we

1:05:17 were in the gym together and it's kind of cool,

1:05:19 you know, two years later now we're talking about this and there's

1:05:22 two more years to go for this journey for me.

1:05:24 But I'm so excited for you.

1:05:26 It's cool.

1:05:26 I'm curious about you mentioned like this doubt again.

1:05:30 Um and I've got a few more questions for you,

1:05:32 but you mentioned about this doubt.

1:05:34 How do people a lot of people tie

1:05:37 their self-worth with their performance and the results?

1:05:40 Mhm.

1:05:41 How have you learned to not tie your inner

1:05:44 selfworth with the results of Olympic gold or success?

1:05:51 Mhm.

1:05:52 I think you just have to be present.

1:05:55 Mhm.

1:05:54 I think we accomplish so many great things on a day-to-day basis, you know,

1:05:59 whether it be getting up in the morning, you know, taking care of ourselves,

1:06:04 um spending time with our loved ones, whatever that may be.

1:06:09 I think that it's so again easy to look at other

1:06:13 people's lives and compare yourselves and maybe wish that that were yours,

1:06:19 but I always think that you're exactly where you're supposed to be.

1:06:25 And like I think awards and all of that are great.

1:06:28 It's instant gratification.

1:06:30 You're standing at the top of the podium.

1:06:32 You're walking away with this big trophy.

1:06:36 But as somebody who's experienced it multiple times,

1:06:39 I would say that at the end of the day, it never after the first

1:06:46 the first gold medal, it doesn't hit the same really.

1:06:49 Yeah.

1:06:49 And I think I wish that I had celebrated maybe like my smaller wins

1:06:55 and maybe if I had done that, all my wins would have meant a bit more.

1:07:00 Did you ever celebrate the wins or did you just

1:07:02 kind of like on to the next, on to the next?

1:07:04 It was always on to the next.

1:07:08 Really?

1:07:07 Yes.

1:07:08 Like after my first gold,

1:07:10 I started prepping for my next competition and it was a little

1:07:13 hectic because I had to do a bunch of press after

1:07:15 the Olympics and like you know even after my first XG games

1:07:20 medal when I was 13 was like the youngest to get a medal.

1:07:25 It was just straight to the next.

1:07:26 I went to you know Switzerland in my next event.

1:07:29 Like I never took a moment to celebrate my wins.

1:07:32 Do you even do you even have like dinner afterwards and say, "Okay,

1:07:34 let's celebrate this and have a moment or was it more of like

1:07:38 Yeah, but I feel like I also just was I am more of an introvert.

1:07:43 I just want to lay in bed.

1:07:47 I'm tired.

1:07:47 I'm over stimulated.

1:07:48 I just want to lay down." But I also think that my mindset was

1:07:53 a bit messed up because I always felt like every time I was on the podium,

1:08:03 I was like, well, yeah, sorry.

1:08:05 I should be I'm meant to be here.

1:08:06 I'm meant to be here.

1:08:07 Like, I have to be here.

1:08:09 And that was really hard for me.

1:08:11 And I experienced that for over 10 years.

1:08:14 Carl's like, "Yeah, well, I felt like if I didn't win,

1:08:17 that was a problem." You know, then I did bad if I didn't win.

1:08:21 And that was something I had to talk my way out of, like mental mental talk.

1:08:29 Yeah.

1:08:29 Cuz it became so toxic and I didn't like the way it made me feel.

1:08:33 How did you learn to talk?

1:08:33 What did you say to talk yourself out of that?

1:08:39 Or what did you think?

1:08:42 I think the h I don't know if I really had to.

1:08:49 I think it was more of a shift in perspective where

1:08:54 I recognize that I love all the girls I compete with

1:08:59 and I'm so happy for them and genuinely I am.

1:09:02 And I'm not saying like I would be bummed if I didn't win.

1:09:05 you know, I've gotten like, yes, I've won a lot, but I've also not won a lot.

1:09:11 And at the end of the day, I'm so happy for all the girls.

1:09:14 And I think it had to happen to me once where, you know,

1:09:17 I was on had a winning streak and then

1:09:19 like one of my good friends took the gold.

1:09:21 And I genuinely was so happy for her because in that moment, I was like,

1:09:26 dude, we trained together.

1:09:28 This is her dream also.

1:09:29 Yes.

1:09:29 Like, you are working your butt off just like I am.

1:09:32 We're I've seen her get injured.

1:09:35 Like I've seen her come back stronger.

1:09:37 I've seen her name is Coralt.

1:09:39 She's Spanish.

1:09:41 She I love her to death.

1:09:43 Wow.

1:09:43 Um but she kind of broke this winning streak I

1:09:46 had and I was like I am so happy for you.

1:09:49 And I think once I experienced that it's like okay yeah this is fine.

1:09:53 This is great because I do love them.

1:09:55 I just think I needed to experience it to form an opinion on it.

1:09:58 Cuz you hadn't lost in like years probably.

1:10:01 Yeah.

1:10:01 You're like I'm eight years in.

1:10:02 I haven't lost.

1:10:03 Yeah.

1:10:03 Interesting.

1:10:04 So, you took I mean,

1:10:05 and you probably got second or third or something, I'm assuming.

1:10:08 So, it wasn't like, oh, you know, but what did losing teaching you about

1:10:12 your life?

1:10:14 Well, one, I think I don't think you could ever call it losing, right?

1:10:18 You know, and that's something you have to learn, you know,

1:10:21 teach yourself too as you navigate this because there's no such thing as losing.

1:10:26 I think every it's such an easy thing to say

1:10:28 and an easy way to describe something that is complex.

1:10:32 So it's almost unfair.

1:10:34 So I think you know not winning a goal doesn't mean that you failed.

1:10:40 It means that you showed up.

1:10:44 You still showed up and you still got there

1:10:47 and you still went out there and gave it your all.

1:10:49 And I think that alone is winning.

1:10:51 I think that's the whole point of sport is showing up even in moments of doubt,

1:10:55 even in moments of like, you know, just hardship and struggling and all of that.

1:11:00 There are so many moments where I'm like,

1:11:02 I don't know if I could make it to tomorrow.

1:11:05 I don't know if I can show up tomorrow.

1:11:06 I don't know if I have it in me.

1:11:09 I had such a hard day today.

1:11:10 I suck.

1:11:11 Like, I'm scared.

1:11:11 I'm not going to do well in my competition tomorrow.

1:11:14 And if you remove yourself from it, it doesn't matter.

1:11:18 Like, it doesn't matter.

1:11:19 I'm so grateful for all the experiences I've had because again,

1:11:22 there are so many lessons I've learned through snowboarding that I

1:11:26 would have learned so much later down the line in life

1:11:31 that I'm at an advantage in life.

1:11:33 I feel like now I'm in this place where I'm turning 26

1:11:36 this year and I feel like I have 60 years of wisdom.

1:11:40 Wow.

1:11:40 Yeah, that's beautiful.

1:11:41 And I'm sure you've experienced that too through sport, right?

1:11:44 I mean, sports taught me everything.

1:11:45 I mean, I didn't do well in school.

1:11:46 I was like bottom of my class and I couldn't pay attention, you know.

1:11:49 So sports was my outlet.

1:11:51 It's where I learned all my lessons.

1:11:54 Yeah.

1:11:54 And it's it's taught me so much.

1:11:55 I wouldn't be where I am without sports.

1:11:58 Exactly.

1:11:58 But you know what I'm hearing you say there is no losing.

1:12:01 It's either you win or you learn.

1:12:03 It's kind of what I'm hearing you say.

1:12:04 It's like you're learning about how you showed up.

1:12:07 I think that's really cool.

1:12:08 And I'm really I'm really grateful for you showing up, Chloe.

1:12:11 I've got two final questions if that's okay.

1:12:14 Um, before I ask you the final questions,

1:12:16 is there any question you wish people asked you more?

1:12:22 Um, is this one of the final questions?

1:12:23 No, it's not.

1:12:24 It's not.

1:12:25 This is just I don't I don't think so.

1:12:27 I think, you know, I really appreciate people's curiosity towards me.

1:12:31 Um, I really do appreciate it.

1:12:34 I think wanting to be known is to be loved.

1:12:37 M

1:12:38 um so you know if you see me obviously unless you're asking me like a genuinely

1:12:43 stupid question that you know is stupid like I and I feel like I could sense

1:12:47 that um or if you want to joke with me no worries like I'll laugh along

1:12:51 whatever but I you know if people see me out and about I want them to ask away.

1:12:56 I feel like I love sharing whatever I can.

1:12:59 I love I would love if people could learn a little something from me.

1:13:03 It doesn't have to be much whatever.

1:13:04 Whether it be like the type of blush I use to like you

1:13:07 know my mindset going into the competition whatever you need from me you

1:13:11 well in some other interview they can ask you about the blush you

1:13:14 use I'm going to go about the mindset you got other platforms for that

1:13:18 for me I'm fascinated about mindset and for me

1:13:20 it's like you are the best in the world

1:13:23 at what you do and this is the school of greatness not the school of average

1:13:26 so it's about understanding the way you think

1:13:29 the way you feel how you respond and I'm

1:13:31 just I'm grateful that you're opening up about

1:13:34 the things you're learning at this season of life

1:13:38 with all the success you have knowing there's deeper

1:13:40 levels of peace and prosperity and abundance in you.

1:13:44 So, I'm I'm really excited about that.

1:13:45 I think it's going to help a lot of people.

1:13:46 So, thank you for sharing that.

1:13:48 This is a question the final two questions.

1:13:51 Uh before I ask them, I want people to follow you on social media.

1:13:54 Khloe Kim on Instagram and all the different places.

1:13:58 Um you're on a media run right now with you're still in the Olympic season.

1:14:03 So again, I want people to watch all your stuff and check

1:14:06 you out on social media and see what you're up to.

1:14:08 Is there anywhere else we should send people to to follow

1:14:11 you or to be a part of your platforms?

1:14:14 You know what's so funny is I am so bad on social media.

1:14:19 I got social media a lot later than my friends did.

1:14:23 Just your parents wouldn't let you or there was that I just had no interest.

1:14:27 You're like, I just want to snowboard.

1:14:28 Yeah.

1:14:28 And I was also the kid that, you know, growing up I have two sisters.

1:14:32 um they're my half sisters and I only say that cuz

1:14:34 there's a quite quite a big age gap 10 and 15 years.

1:14:38 So while they're watching TV in the house

1:14:40 like I was digging up isopods in the front

1:14:43 yard like trying to find bugs and like

1:14:45 you know finding little spiders and stuff.

1:14:47 I just liked being outside more.

1:14:49 That's great.

1:14:50 So I actually got social media out of necessity because it

1:14:53 was when I was 13 and had just qualified for the Olympics.

1:14:57 Couldn't go and everyone was like you need to get Instagram.

1:15:00 like that's where things are going.

1:15:03 Yeah.

1:15:03 Um but I'm trying.

1:15:04 But also like don't be surprised if in five years my Instagram's

1:15:08 completely gone and I'm on a ranch somewhere living my best life.

1:15:11 That's my dream.

1:15:12 That's good.

1:15:12 Yeah.

1:15:13 Okay, cool.

1:15:14 Uh this question is something I ask everyone at the end.

1:15:16 It's called the three truths.

1:15:18 So it's a hypothetical question.

1:15:20 Imagine you get to live as long as you want

1:15:22 to live on this earth and you're as old as you want

1:15:24 to be and you get to create and experience and accomplish

1:15:28 all of your wildest dreams from this moment until that day.

1:15:32 And maybe that's you living on a ranch for the rest of your life.

1:15:34 I don't know.

1:15:34 But hypothetically, it's the end of your life.

1:15:38 And for whatever reason, everything you've shared, this conversation,

1:15:41 all the videos you've ever made are gone.

1:15:44 This hypothetical world.

1:15:46 But on the last day, you get to leave behind three lessons.

1:15:49 Three lessons.

1:15:49 three truths that you feel are true

1:15:52 to you from your experiences that you would share

1:15:54 with people and this is all we would have of your your lessons and your content.

1:16:00 What would those three truths or three lessons be for you?

1:16:05 I feel like on my PR ones that were like be kind, be grateful, you know,

1:16:10 but what's a real what's really what's really inside of you though?

1:16:12 Well, I think three might take me a while,

1:16:16 but the first one that jumped at me was keep learning.

1:16:21 And I only say this because my dad is 70.

1:16:25 He's currently in Japan, going to culinary school.

1:16:28 That's cool.

1:16:30 And my dad Wow.

1:16:32 is also learning Japanese.

1:16:36 Wow.

1:16:35 And he is walking to his classes every day.

1:16:39 It's a two-mile walk.

1:16:41 and he just has always had such a curious mind and

1:16:46 just this need for knowledge and I think he's really inspired

1:16:50 me to just no matter how old you are, you can always

1:16:53 try something, learn something, experience something new for the first time.

1:16:58 That's cool.

1:16:58 So chills, right?

1:17:00 He's awesome.

1:17:01 Um I love I'll show you a picture of him in his school uniform.

1:17:04 He looks so cute.

1:17:05 That's cool.

1:17:05 Yeah, please do.

1:17:08 Um keep learning would be your first truth.

1:17:10 Yes.

1:17:10 My second truth, take care of yourself.

1:17:16 Kind of a broader lesson, but whatever that means to you.

1:17:22 For me, taking care of myself is putting myself first.

1:17:30 I will always do my best to achieve my dreams, my hopes, my ambitions.

1:17:41 Um, and taking care of myself also means to show

1:17:46 up for others cuz that means a lot to me.

1:17:50 Yeah.

1:17:49 You know, I love being the supportive character in one's life.

1:17:53 So, that's cool.

1:17:54 That's a big part of it.

1:17:56 Third, have fun.

1:17:58 Honestly, have fun.

1:18:00 M just have fun, live your best life.

1:18:04 I know this is so cliche, but like I mean I guess when I was a teenager,

1:18:08 everyone was like, "YOL, yolo, you live once." But like you do only live once.

1:18:12 You enjoy it.

1:18:13 That's cool.

1:18:14 And I think these days whenever I'm going through a difficult time,

1:18:18 I try to think about things that I'm grateful for, things that make me happy.

1:18:22 I I'm surrounded by the most incredible people.

1:18:25 I feel like I have such a great support system.

1:18:28 Um, you know, if I'm having a bad day,

1:18:31 I'll call Miles and like we'll play games together and that cheers me up.

1:18:34 Or like call my best friends.

1:18:36 They'll always cheer me up sharing funny stories.

1:18:41 Um, I think the goal is always to start my day with a smile and end it with one.

1:18:45 That's beautiful.

1:18:46 That's what I strive for.

1:18:47 I don't know if those are good lessons.

1:18:48 I'm like, so powerful.

1:18:49 Yeah.

1:18:50 And maybe at the end of your life, you'll have different ones,

1:18:52 but I think that's those are three great ones.

1:18:54 I know.

1:18:54 Should be back here in like 30 years.

1:18:56 Yeah.

1:18:56 Sooner than that.

1:18:57 Yeah.

1:18:57 Soon that you'll be back here.

1:18:58 Yeah.

1:19:00 Update.

1:19:00 Exactly.

1:19:00 We'll do an update in a few years.

1:19:02 Um before I ask the final question, Chloe,

1:19:04 I want to acknowledge you because for me,

1:19:06 I'm always trying to find people to bring

1:19:08 on here who can share unique experiences of life.

1:19:10 And you have such a unique experience.

1:19:13 And I just think you have a fascinating mindset.

1:19:16 The way you analyze how you live your life.

1:19:19 you.

1:19:19 I know you're laughing, but for me it's like most people never

1:19:22 have access to that this type of information.

1:19:25 And I haven't seen you share this much on how you think about pressure,

1:19:31 performance, overcoming challenges, therapy, healing,

1:19:34 psychology all in one place.

1:19:36 Maybe there's a little different things around, but so for me,

1:19:39 this is like a master class of understanding your mindset

1:19:43 of how to live the best life possible for yourself.

1:19:45 Does that make sense?

1:19:46 For me, it does.

1:19:47 Okay.

1:19:47 Yeah, for me it does.

1:19:48 No, for me it does, but it's like I've

1:19:50 been asking these questions for people for 13 years, I guess, every week.

1:19:54 So, yeah, I think it's fascinating because you and from this conversation,

1:20:00 I've learned that for most of your life,

1:20:04 you were driven to accomplish and achieve at the highest level.

1:20:08 And in some ways it came easily for you because you were talented,

1:20:11 but it became easily because you were obsessed with like going allin

1:20:15 and visualizing and rehearsing in your mind and seeing an idea and saying

1:20:20 all night how can I make this happen tomorrow and then doing

1:20:23 it and acting acting on that for 20 years essentially almost you know.

1:20:28 So for me that level of commitment to accomplishing a dream is really inspiring.

1:20:35 But then also on the other side saying

1:20:37 okay I also recognize there are certain parts

1:20:41 of me that I don't like right now or maybe I didn't like a couple years ago.

1:20:45 And so how can I become better at those things as well?

1:20:48 How can I use what I learned in sports for myself?

1:20:51 I think that's beautiful.

1:20:53 How can I be a better human, a better friend, a better partner?

1:20:56 all these different things, a better daughter, you know, it's like,

1:20:59 and how can you show up for yourself first at this season?

1:21:02 So, I think it's really beautiful.

1:21:04 I think it's inspiring and I hope a lot of people get value from your lessons.

1:21:09 Thank you.

1:21:09 And I just think again,

1:21:10 this is a master class that you've shared here on the School of Greatness.

1:21:13 So, I'm grateful and I acknowledge you for opening up

1:21:16 and for being real and authentic and um showing us a little bit

1:21:21 more behind the way you think because I think a lot

1:21:23 of people it will help them understand their own life by understanding yours.

1:21:28 So, I hope so.

1:21:29 Yeah.

1:21:29 And hopefully we get you back on in a few years and you can

1:21:32 give us more lessons about healing

1:21:33 and therapy and all the things you're learning.

1:21:36 Yeah.

1:21:36 I love yapping.

1:21:38 Perfect.

1:21:38 Just like your dad, right?

1:21:39 Just like your dad.

1:21:40 Exactly.

1:21:41 But I'm like introverted.

1:21:42 I know.

1:21:43 But I like yapping like a shy yapper.

1:21:45 I like it.

1:21:45 I like a shy yapper.

1:21:47 Hashtag shy yapping.

1:21:48 Um, final question, Chloe.

1:21:50 What is your definition of greatness?

1:21:52 My definition of greatness?

1:21:55 Me, myself, and I.

1:21:59 So funny.

1:22:00 Me, myself, and I.

1:22:02 I think Yeah, I'm great.

1:22:05 I bet I deserve it, you know, and I think we all do.

1:22:09 Yeah.

1:22:10 I think there's no greater feeling

1:22:12 than accomplishing everything you've wanted and more.

1:22:17 But then it's funny because I want more than that, too.

1:22:20 You know, there's so many other things I want to be great at.

1:22:22 So, I feel like definition of greatness to me today is going to shift

1:22:29 and I'm going to be achieving like the best version of myself,

1:22:32 you know, in like whatever journey I decide to go on next.

1:22:38 But I'm pretty good, right?

1:22:40 I'm gonna sit in my greatness for a couple maybe a little bit more

1:22:45 and then I'll think about the next definition.

1:22:48 I love it.

1:22:49 But yeah, everyone's great.

1:22:51 You're great.

1:22:52 Yeah.

1:22:52 Awesome.

1:22:53 Chloe, thank you so much for being here.

1:22:54 Appreciate you.

1:22:55 Thank you.

1:22:56 Thank you.

1:22:57 Thank you.

1:22:58 Most people really believe they're going to change

1:22:59 your lives with their own personal will.

1:23:02 It will make you great to a certain extent,

1:23:04 but you will plateau at a certain level.

1:23:06 You'll be dissatisfied.

1:23:07 You'll be bored.

1:23:09 You'll be frustrated.

1:23:10 There's something wrong with you.

1:23:11 Name a legend who didn't have a legendary.