Grandma Drama

0:00 Plaintiff Deborah Freeman says [music] the defendant

0:02 used to date her son and she

0:03 got pregnant with Deborah's grandson when she was just 15 years [music] old.

0:08 Deborah claims she helps out with her grandson whenever she can,

0:11 yet [music] often times the defendant won't let Deborah see him.

0:15 Deborah's suing the defendant [music] and her fiance for an unpaid loan.

0:19 Defendants Nicole Incontro [music] and Dexter Gay say the only reason Deborah

0:23 helps out with Nicole's son is because [music] Deborah's son is a deadbeat.

0:28 Nicole claims after Deborah loaned her money for a car,

0:31 Nicole was forced [music] to call the police because of her constant harassment.

0:35 So, she's counter suing.

0:37 All right, ma'am, [music] you're suing your grandson's mother

0:39 and her fiance for an unpaid loan for $669?

0:45 Correct.

0:46 All right, who is the fiance?

0:49 Cuz he's being sued also.

0:50 Step up.

0:51 State your name.

0:52 Dexter D.

0:53 Gay.

0:53 All right.

0:54 Stand with her.

0:56 I'm trying to disown her today.

1:00 [laughter]

1:00 Go ahead.

1:01 Who are you worried about seeing you?

1:03 Nobody.

1:03 You got another woman on the side?

1:07 All right.

1:08 You're trying to sit down and play like you just THERE YOU GO.

1:14 [laughter] [laughter] HE CAN'T WAIT TO SIT DOWN.

1:19 HE'S TRYING TO RUN from you.

1:21 What's that about?

1:25 [laughter] Let's get back, ma'am.

1:25 You're suing once again for an unpaid loan.

1:29 Tell me what this is about.

1:31 Well, I've known Nicole since she was 14.

1:34 She had got pregnant with my first grandson when she was 15.

1:37 Excuse me, your honor.

1:38 Me and her son are not no longer together because I found another girl

1:43 in her bed and she knew about it

1:45 and that's why we're not together any any longer.

1:49 So, what?

1:49 You quit him because she had a girl in the bed?

1:52 No.

1:54 Her son was in her bed with another girl.

1:57 Oh, he was using her bed.

1:59 Yes.

2:00 I got you.

2:01 All right.

2:02 No, your honor, my My son lived at my house.

2:06 You all mixing me up.

2:09 [laughter] Go ahead, ma'am.

2:10 Okay.

2:10 That's my first grandson.

2:12 Okay.

2:13 And uh I I try to help my grandson out as much as he If he needs shoes,

2:18 if he needs socks, I'll try to I'll I'll go out and buy him clothes.

2:22 Excuse me, your honor.

2:23 Maybe Maybe she wouldn't have to do all that if her son would pay child support.

2:26 He don't pay a dime.

2:28 That's not That's not another matter.

2:30 That's in a different court.

2:32 That's nothing to do with me.

2:34 And there's has something to do with you.

2:37 Yeah, he's my grandson and I care about him.

2:39 child support, why does not have anything to do with you?

2:42 I can't My My son has another family.

2:46 He pays whatever he can every Excuse me, your honor.

2:49 He's paid all his child support.

2:50 that he was with in her bed.

2:53 But he has three more kids, hasn't paid a dime of child support.

2:55 They got to keep his income taxes every year.

2:58 Last year he asked me He asked me to claim my son telling me he'd help me out.

3:02 All I did was pay my child support for that year.

3:05 Go ahead, ma'am.

3:06 There's been many times where my son has called me and is

3:10 it's all mad at me because I do so much for her.

3:14 I treat her more like my daughter than him, my son.

3:18 I do more for Jacob than my other grandchildren.

3:21 And there's been many many times where um Nicole has

3:25 uh we've gotten in an argument because she didn't agree

3:29 with my advice about my grandson about grounding him

3:33 or or about her spending overspending money that she doesn't have.

3:37 What did she say you all get in argument?

3:39 What did she say?

3:39 You better check your son, don't check me.

3:41 Oh, no.

3:42 No, a lot of Sometimes she's just trying to make her first son you now.

3:45 You're just so anxious to talk.

3:47 Before we get to this unpaid loan that you're suing, let me allow her to talk.

3:51 Go ahead.

3:52 Say all you want.

3:53 You know, the reason she makes up so many excuses for him and yeah,

3:57 she is a good grandma,

3:58 but she has to be a hundred times more good grandma because

4:01 she has to make up for what her son has not done for Got that point.

4:05 You know, so like I said before, I've known her since I was 13.

4:09 you don't have to tell me again.

4:10 me.

4:10 Okay, well, she's been harassing me.

4:12 new stuff to say that we don't have to go over those stuff.

4:17 Well, like I said, I she Has she

4:19 done all the things she says for the grandchild?

4:24 She helps out.

4:25 All right, does she help you as well outside of the needs of the grandchild?

4:30 No.

4:31 She sounds like she has certainly helped you by loaning you some money,

4:34 but we'll get to that.

4:35 Well, besides the loan, she's when we've gotten in arguments,

4:38 there's been many times where she hasn't let me see my grandson.

4:42 You denied her visitation?

4:44 I've never denied her visitation.

4:46 My husband has called and had numerous um conversations

4:50 with you about you keeping Jacob away from us.

4:53 I've never done that.

4:54 If my son don't go over there, that's because he don't want to go over there.

4:58 Go ahead, ma'am.

4:59 On March 23rd of 2006, they needed a car.

5:03 They didn't have a vehicle.

5:04 I needed a car.

5:05 Be quiet.

5:08 Go ahead.

5:10 She asked me if they could borrow money from me to buy a car.

5:14 How much?

5:16 They didn't have a car picked out yet.

5:18 She was looking for a car.

5:19 So, I told her yes that if if she found a car,

5:24 you know, that was halfway decent car, you know, I'd loan her

5:26 Couldn't have been too much decent.

5:27 You're only suing for $600.

5:30 Well, well, the I wouldn't even halfway decent.

5:33 I loaned her $1,289.34.

5:37 $1,289.34.

5:40 And the agreement the car was actually 700.

5:43 The rest of the money that we owed her was

5:46 for repairs for that car to get it going.

5:53 Go ahead, ma'am.

5:54 Um we felt we made a loan agreement out for the loan.

5:58 I had it We all signed it and I had it notarized.

6:05 As soon as she she bought the car and it had 205,000 miles on it.

6:09 She didn't even look to see how many miles were on the car.

6:13 All right.

6:13 What do you have to say about paying or fail failing to pay this ma'am?

6:18 Well, first of all, your honor, she's she loaned me the money, not him.

6:23 And me and him got an argument one day and I told

6:26 him to get out and he was trying to keep the car.

6:29 And I'm like, you're not taking the car.

6:31 So, Debbie runs over to my house and thinks she's just going to take the car.

6:36 And she was harassing me there,

6:37 so I called the police and she knew the police were coming,

6:40 so she changes the oil in her own car.

6:43 So, she thought she would get under the hood

6:44 and start taking stuff apart so I couldn't start it.

6:47 You know, if the cops made him and her leave, I won't be able to drive the car.

6:51 So, she was take pulling all this stuff apart and at that time,

6:55 Dexter was not on the title.

6:57 It was me on the title.

6:59 Now, there's a place on it on a title where I write

7:01 my name and if you want somebody else to write their name,

7:04 too, for two people to be on the title,

7:06 you would obviously make enough room for that, right?

7:09 No kidding.

7:09 Well, she had him sign his name so the cops wouldn't

7:13 give me the car way up here on top of my name,

7:16 not even in a place where it would go.

7:18 So, his name ain't even supposed to be on the title.

7:21 He was not with me at the bank when I signed the promissory note.

7:26 So, why is he even in this?

7:28 She's just trying to make my life miserable.

7:30 We're about to get married.

7:30 We're about to buy a house.

7:32 that'll help her give me the answers to why she hadn't paid.

7:37 [laughter]

7:37 Now, now what?

7:39 Okay, well, the reason I haven't paid her is because she

7:41 harasses me so much that I we tried to sell the car.

7:45 you before it was time to pay?

7:47 Yes, she has.

7:49 How?

7:49 Calling me.

7:50 She's always talking about me.

7:52 were you supposed to repay her?

7:55 Every month.

7:57 Now, we are supposed to repay her $250 a month, I think it was.

8:01 And when one month When was the first month?

8:04 April.

8:06 April, you were supposed to give her $250.

8:10 I did that.

8:10 How about May?

8:11 Did you give her $250 in May?

8:15 How about June?

8:16 Yes, I did.

8:17 I gave her the third payment at my son's baseball game.

8:20 July?

8:21 No, the July came along and the car broke.

8:25 Hold on.

8:25 So, when did she begin harassing you?

8:28 In July?

8:30 Since I was 13.

8:35 [laughter] We were talking about the loan and I think you knew

8:37 that because when I asked you about why you didn't repay the loan,

8:42 you said because of harassment.

8:43 Now, when I ask you when did she start with regard to the loan,

8:47 you give me a funny answer.

8:49 So, I'm going to go now to your counter claim

8:52 because I'll consider your funny answer as non-responsive indicating guilt.

8:57 Now, can I get to your counter claim?

9:02 [laughter] Yes, she calls me every day harassing me.

9:04 It's It's became to the point where we have

9:07 to screen our calls because she calls so much.

9:10 She'll call and I will accidentally answer the phone and she'll be like

9:14 does she call?

9:17 Daily.

9:16 Daily is not harassment.

9:18 Your counter claim is dismissed and your judgment is granted for $669.

9:25 She refused to explain why she hasn't paid you.

9:28 Instead, she gave me a smart alec remarks

9:31 about you've been harassing her since she was 13.

9:35 Judgment for the plaintiff.

9:36 Your claim is dismissed.

9:37 Once a day calling for her money that you owe her is not considered harassment,

9:42 particularly if you're dodging her by not picking up the phone.

9:47 And by the way, since you all are so good at running from your debts,

9:50 you didn't need a car anyway.

9:52 You just could HAVE KEPT RUNNING.

9:56 [laughter] [applause] WOO!