12 ANGRY MEN

0:02 and that concludes the courts explanation of the legal

0:05 aspects of this case and now gentlemen of the jury

0:09 I come to my final instruction to you murder

0:13 in the first-degree premeditated homicide is the most serious charge tried

0:18 not Criminal Courts you've listened to the testimony and you've

0:22 had the law read to you and interpreted as it

0:25 applies to this case it now becomes your duty

0:28 to try and separate the facts from the fancy one man

0:33 is dead the life of another is at stake

0:36 I urge you to deliberate honestly and thoughtfully if there

0:41 is reasonable doubt then you must bring me a verdict

0:44 of not guilty if however there is no reasonable doubt

0:48 then you must in good conscience find the accused guilty

0:53 however you decide your verdict must be unanimous in the event

0:58 you find the accused guilty the bench will not

1:01 entertain a recommendation for mercy the death sentence is mandatory

1:06 in this case I don't envy you your job

1:09 you are faced with a grave responsibility thank you gentlemen

1:52 no thanks I phoned them for the weather today it's

1:57 the hottest day of the ER terrific I think because

2:00 we stay position this place let's drop dead the corporate

2:03 or anything you need I'll be right outside just great

2:10 thanks I never do they love the door sure they

2:20 lock the door what do you think I don't know

2:22 it just never occurred to me hey what's

2:24 that for well I probably might want to put my balance

2:28 maybe we can get him elected senator huh I do

2:32 like and I was falling asleep well I've never been

2:38 on a jury oh yeah i sat on juries before

2:41 it always amazes me the way these lawyers can talk

2:44 and talk and talk even on the cases obvious

2:47 as this I mean they'd never heard so much talk about

2:50 nothing well I guess they're in cycle well sure

2:53 everybody is entitled to a fair trial that's a system

2:57 listen I'm the last one to say anything against it

3:01 but sometimes I think we'd all be better off if

3:04 we took these tough kids and smack them down before

3:07 they made any trouble now what I mean save us

3:10 time and money all right what's up let's get going

3:12 here what do you say Ally I thought we might

3:14 want to take a five-minute break I mean the old

3:15 man's in the restroom sit in order I don't

3:19 know breathing now that you huh what'd you think

3:23 of the case had a lot of interest for me move

3:28 in spots you know what I mean we would lucky

3:31 to get a very nice huh oh yeah I figured

3:33 us for you know burglary solve something like that those oh

3:38 right say isn't that the Woolworth Building that's right

3:45 you know what's funny I've lived here all my life

3:49 never been a waste of time on yeah can

3:52 you men sitting in for three days just for this what

3:56 about that bill with the 96 but you want

3:58 us to believe that kind of[ __] learn to respect

4:01 that you don't what'd you do last oppose then

4:05 a call oh yeah in power he's hot where the coals

4:09 of killing everybody can hardly touch my nose you know

4:12 already whoa the horn works now check the lights look

4:19 great the fans not even working somebody take a letter

4:23 to the mayor did they take a look driver

4:25 hey I didn't get a chance to read the newspapers

4:28 today anything new going on I was just wondering how

4:31 the market closed exchanges a broker I run a messenger

4:37 service the beck and call of company the name was

4:40 my wife's eyes I employed 37 started with nothing mr.

4:46 Foreman let's get going let's take our seats hope this goes

4:51 fast to a ballgame Yankees in Cleveland you've got this new

4:57 kid picture the butcher lost here is a rope oldest kid

5:00 real Chuck well I mean you know I was very impressed all

6:36 right we'd like to get started all right gentlemen handle us

6:43 any way you'd like gonna have any rules or anything we discuss

6:48 it in the boat or we can vote right now and see

6:50 where we stand I believe it's customary to take a preliminary

6:56 remember we have a first-degree murder charges we vote guilty we

7:02 send the accused to the electric chair now that's mandatory I think

7:05 we all know that all right this has to be in 212

7:08 does nothing vote either way we'd okay with that my let's

7:13 go yeah Sue's we're all those voting guilty raise your hand

7:18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 11

7:31 most guilty all those voting not guilty raise your hand write

7:41 one full of not guilty votes 11 to 1 under the paper

7:44 of guilty now we know where we stand oh boy there's

7:48 always one about a week now do you really think he's innocent

7:56 I don't know well let's be reasonable you sat in the courtroom

7:59 heard the same thing we did the man is a dangerous

8:02 killer you can see it the man he's 19 years old

8:06 we're all I'm sold enough a knife his own father four inches

8:10 into his chest it's obvious I was convinced from the first day

8:14 but wasn't look I really think this is one of those open

8:18 and shut they they they proved it it doesn't different ways

8:21 what good would you like me to list them for you know

8:24 then what do you want nothing I just want to talk

8:36 now do you believe this story I don't know whether I believe

8:40 it or not maybe I don't know what it's about not

8:43 guilty for there were 11 votes for guilty it's not easy

8:47 for me to raise my head and send a boy off

8:49 to die without at least talking about it who says if you think

8:52 of me no one you can talk talk talk you know

8:56 but just do that one in fast I think he's goofy

8:58 you can talk for a hundred years I'm not trying to change

9:03 your mind it's just we're talking about somebody's life here we

9:07 can't decide it five minutes suppose we're wrong suppose anything we

9:13 all movies so suppose it takes us five minutes to finish so

9:16 what look let's take an hour your ball game doesn't start

9:21 telling the clock I like slugging her up alright who's got something

9:28 to say how about you willing to put in an hour

9:36 right I heard a pretty good story last night this woman comes

9:45 running into the doctor's office strip to the alright well you

9:50 tell me what are we sitting here for I don't know Lee

9:55 look this boy's been kicked around his whole life you know

10:00 living in a slump his mother dead since he was nine years

10:03 old he spent a year and a half in an orphanage while

10:07 his father served prison time for forgery not a very good head

10:11 start he's had a pretty terrible 19 years I just think

10:15 we all have a few words that's all well I don't mind

10:17 telling you this mister we don't owe him a thing have

10:21 you got a fair trial dignity come on what do you think

10:24 this trial costs he's lucky he cut listen listen I lived

10:31 among them all my life you can't believe a word they say

10:34 I mean their boring lives it totally occurs to me that you

10:39 must be an ignorant man do you mean we're talking about

10:43 it you think you have a monopoly on the truth what

10:48 are you making a federal case about this boy how do you

10:50 like your sky well I think some things should be pointed

10:54 out to this man come on it's not Sunday we don't need

10:58 a sermon in here monopoly for a change we're going to discuss

11:02 this case let's stick perfects he's right Jenna we've got a job

11:06 to do so let's do suppose the gentleman at the end

11:11 of the table can tell us why and you tell us what

11:15 he's thinking maybe we can show him where he's probably mixed

11:18 up it's one of the projects that we're going rice pots

11:31 the breakfast with the built-in bounce you know oh oh yeah I'm

11:40 sorry I'm sorry I got this habit of booty you know it

11:43 keeps me we're trying to get somewhere I mean we could

11:47 sit here forever Jenna I'm just you know they get out loud

11:56 I do you say we go around what's on the table

12:12 when more more journals sound good yes all right that means you're

12:16 up first well it's hard to put it into words I

12:22 just think he's guilty I thought it was obvious from the word

12:25 go nobody proved another one nobody has to prove otherwise

12:31 the burden of proof is on the prosecution the defendant doesn't have

12:35 to open his mouth well that's in the Constitution you've heard

12:39 of it no weather damage I just well the man is guilty

12:47 I mean somebody saw him do it okay now here's what I

12:51 and I have no personal feelings in this at all I'm just

12:54 talking facts number one let's take the old man who lived

12:59 on the second floor underneath the room where the murders took place

13:02 at 10 after 12:00 on the evening the murder he said

13:06 he heard loud voices coming from the apartment upstairs he said it

13:09 sounded like a fight then he heard the kid yell out

13:13 I'm gonna kill him a second later he heard a body

13:16 at the floor he ran to the door of his apartment looked

13:19 out saw the kid running down the stairs and out of that house

13:23 then he called the police they found the father with a knife

13:27 in his chest and the coroner fixed the time of death

13:29 around midnight I mean those are the facts you can't refute

13:33 facts the boy is guilty look I'm as sympathetic as the next

13:39 guy I mean I know the kids only 19 but he's

13:42 gotta pay for what he did that was beautiful it was obvious

13:46 to me anyway for his entire story was flimsy he claimed

13:50 he was at the movies at the time the killing yet one

13:52 hour later he couldn't remember the names of the that's right

13:56 it's absolutely right and no one saw him go to work out

13:59 of the theater wait a minute what about that woman across

14:02 the street now a protester morning don't prove it nothing does that's

14:06 right she was the one who actually saw the kid yeah

14:09 let's go an order though yeah just a minute now there's

14:13 a woman right she said she's lying in bed can't sleep right

14:18 she's she's dying from the heat you know what I mean anyway

14:21 she looks out the window right across the street she sees

14:25 the kid stick the knife into his father the time is 12:10

14:29 on the nose everything fits now she's known this kid all

14:33 his life his window is right opposite us right across the El

14:37 tracks then she swore she saw him dope through the last

14:41 two cars of a passing elevated train right right right this shell

14:44 train had no passengers on it it was just being moved

14:47 out of town and the lights were out remember now they prove

14:51 in court that at night you can look through the windows

14:55 of an El train when the lights are out and see what's

14:58 happening on the other they proved I'd like to ask you

15:01 a question sure you don't believe the boy no how come you

15:06 believe the woman she's one of them- is it you oh

15:10 you're pretty smart how do you what are you so wise

15:15 or but we're just guys all right 20 you letting them get

15:20 you so upset for let's just take it easy try and keep

15:24 it peaceful in here all right now whose turn is it

15:28 anyway uh I think it's yours all right I'm sure it's

15:39 your privilege next gentleman I don't know I mean I was convinced

15:44 early in the case I was looking for a motive that's very

15:48 important but without a motive where's your case what well anyway

15:53 there was that testimony of those people who lived across the hall

15:56 who put the boys apartment didn't they say something about the boy

16:00 his father having a fight the night of the killing 7:00 p.m.

16:05 I could be wrong+ 8 o clock not 7

16:09 that's right who is at 8 o'clock they said they

16:12 heard an argument but they couldn't hear what it

16:14 was about then they heard the father hit the ball

16:16 twice and they saw the boy walk angrily out

16:19 of the house what does that prove this doesn't prove

16:23 anything it's part of the whole picture I didn't

16:26 say it proved anything you said that revealed a motive

16:29 from the killing the prosecuting attorney said the same

16:31 thing with I think it's a very strong motive kids

16:36 been hit so many times in his life that violence

16:38 is practically a normal state of affairs for him

16:41 I just can't see two slaps in the face

16:43 provoking him to commit murder may have been- slurps- many

16:47 day all right everyone has a breaking point sigh do

16:49 anything else no thank you next gentleman it's already been

16:58 set before me confidence it's rented he's on fire

17:02 for crying out loud but it was ten years old

17:07 he was in children's court for throwing a rock

17:09 at his teacher it was a reform school it was for TV still the car that picked up

17:16 for muggy that twice twice he was arrested for trying

17:20 to make a few kids they said he was good

17:22 with a knife you know that oh yeah yeah real

17:25 good kid ever since he was five years old

17:28 his father beat him up on a regular basis he used this[ __] so an eye on a kid

17:33 like that don't you call those beatings emotive ridiculous bother

17:36 I don't know what I'd say it's a motive

17:40 for being an angry Kid I'll say that God's dumb

17:42 kids the way they are these days angry Ostler can't

17:47 do a thing with even the weight ain't talking when I was his age I used to call

17:52 my father's sermons that's right sir I ever hear boy

17:56 whose father that these days fathers don't seem to think

17:59 it's important anymore oh yeah you got any kids to yell I got one he's 20 we did

18:06 everything for that boy and what happens when he was

18:09 nine he ran away from a fight I saw I was so ashamed I own the store what I told

18:15 them flat out I'm gonna make a man out

18:18 of you or I'm gonna bust you in half tries

18:20 yeah all right when he was 16 we got it told that he hit me in the face he's

18:29 big you know I haven't seen him in two

18:32 years right kid I mean you look your heart out

18:36 and he's knitting all right let's move on I think

18:40 we're missing the point here this boy let's say he's

18:44 a product that would filthy neighbor put in a broken

18:46 home we can't help it we're here to determine

18:49 whether or not he is guilty or innocent of murder

18:52 Attica lots of reasons why he was brought up

18:54 that way he was born in a slum slums

18:57 are breeding grounds for criminals I know what the suit

18:59 you it's no secret that children that come from slum

19:02 backgrounds are detrimental to society how brother you can

19:06 say that again I don't know the kids and crawl

19:09 out of places like this array of trash I

19:11 know what he's part of I'm telling you I've

19:14 lived in a slum all my life and I nurse

19:16 that trash and Harlem Hospital six nights a week

19:19 now wait a second here I used to play

19:21 in the backyard that was build of garbage is something

19:29 personal all right listen he wasn't talking about you don't be

19:32 so sensitive it's set to 250 I know

19:34 the steps right let's let's just relax all right stop

19:38 with the argument right now whose turn is it it's

19:42 your first you know I wasn't expecting the turn I

19:47 thought you were all supposed to be convincing me

19:49 wasn't that that's right I forgot my check what

19:51 the hell's the difference I mean he's the one who's

19:53 keeping us here come on let's hear what he's got

19:55 to say wait a minute we decided to do it a certain way so let's stick to what we

19:59 said stop being such a kid okay what do you find a home what do you think I mean

20:06 hey ID is because I'm trying to keep a nice

20:10 little organized uns good going smooth oh you want

20:13 to see you want the responsibility let's see what I'll

20:16 sit over here and I'm getting so hot about calm

20:20 down down join us in the chair sitting chair

20:24 you think it's so smooth and easy come on II

20:26 think it's a snap come on mister let's see

20:29 how you nobody wants to change you look great kid

20:45 you just hang in there[ __] somebody well if

20:52 you want me to tell you how I feel about

20:53 it now it's alright with me I don't care

20:57 what you got anything brilliant I don't know any more

21:04 than you do according to the testimony the boy

21:07 looks guilty maybe he is I sat in court

21:12 for three days listening while the evidence builds up everybody

21:16 sounded so positive that I got through what peculiar feeling

21:19 about this whole trial I mean nothing is that positive

21:22 I had questions I would like to ask maybe

21:27 they wouldn't meant anything just I started to get

21:32 a funny feeling that the defense attorney just let too many

21:35 things go little things what do you mean little

21:38 things oh come on listen when these guys don't

21:41 ask questions it's because they know the answers already

21:44 they figure they'll be hurt by maybe it's also possible

21:48 for a lawyer to be just plain stupid isn't

21:50 it sad that you've met my brother-in-law I kept trying

21:54 to put myself in the boys place I would have

21:57 asked for another lawyer I think I mean if I

22:00 was on trial for my life I want my lawyer

22:02 to tear the prosecution witnesses to shreds or at least

22:05 try look there was one alleged eyewitness someone else

22:10 says they heard the killing and saw the boy

22:11 run out afterwards there was a lot of circumstantial

22:15 evidence but actually those two witnesses with the entire case

22:18 for the prosecution's suppose they were wrong with a meet

22:22 supposing they were wrong I mean what's the point

22:25 of having witnesses at all could they be wrong

22:28 well that on the stand right on the roll what

22:31 are you trying to say there only people people

22:34 make mistakes could they be wrong no I don't do

22:38 you know sir and that listen nobody can know

22:42 things like that right come on this isn't you know

22:44 the exact science let's get to the point let's

22:50 talk about the Switchblade they found the father's check wait

22:53 a minute hold it there are some people here

22:55 went to talk to you listen they can talk whenever

22:58 they want you just be quiet a second you

23:01 hear all right let's talk about the blame you know

23:05 the one that fine upright lad admitted to buying

23:08 on the night of the murder let's talk about that all

23:11 right let's talk about let's get it in here

23:13 and look at it I'd like to see it again mr.

23:15 Foreman we don't know what it looks like what are

23:18 we going to get out of seeing it again you brought

23:20 it up the gentleman has a right to see tendons

23:23 in evidence the night and the weight was bought I do good

23:29 now suppose we take these points one by one the boy

23:34 is medically out of the house around 8 o'clock after being

23:38 punched several times place bottles he didn't say punched he said

23:41 hey there's a difference between a slap and a punch after

23:44 being hit several times by his father- he went directly

23:49 to one of these neighborhood junk shops where he purchased uh

23:52 what do you call these things of switchblades which they think

23:55 free this isn't what you would call an ordinary money it

23:58 had a very unusual carved hammer for the store keeper

24:03 who sold it to the point identified the knife in court

24:05 and said it was the only one of its kind had

24:07 ever had a stun five at around 8:45 or so the boy

24:12 ran into Grievous friends in front of a diner yes you

24:16 are yeah you bet he is now listen to this man

24:19 he knows what he's talking about the boys spoke

24:21 with his friends for about an hour leaving him at 9:45 during

24:24 which time he took them sold the Switchblade six each

24:28 of them identified the death weapons report as that same nightmare

24:32 and seven the boy rides home around 10 o'clock now this is

24:37 where these stories offered by before you state begin to diverge

24:40 slightly he claims that he stayed home until 11:30 and then

24:44 went to one of these all night movies he arrived

24:47 home at 3:15 to find his father dead and himself

24:51 Wow what happened to the swift blade it was gonna sit

24:55 the harming an imaginative little baby boy hello he claims

25:00 that the knife plus the pawn will hold at sometime between 11:30

25:04 and 350 never saw again winces now this is a tale

25:10 gentlemen I think it's quite clear what the movies that back

25:13 no one's a household lead at 11:30 no one in the theatre

25:16 identified he couldn't even remember the names of the movies

25:19 you've seen right now what actually happened is this the boys

25:24 stayed home have another fight with his father stabbed him

25:28 to death ten minutes after 12:00 then but from the house

25:31 he should remember to wipe the fingerprints everyone connected with the keys

25:37 identified this night now are you really trying to tell

25:40 me that it it fell through a whole new voice macaque

25:43 and someone picked it up off the street wins the boys

25:46 house and stabbed his father with it just be amusing

25:49 no I'm saying it's possible the boy lost enough and that someone

25:54 else stabbed the father with a similar knife it's possible

25:57 how take a look at that night I've never seen another

26:03 one like it neither had the store keeper so at this point

26:06 aren't you asking us to accept a pretty incredible coincidence

26:09 I'm not asking you to accept anything I'm just saying it's

26:13 possible oh yeah and I'm saying it's not possible wait what

26:24 are you doing get that knife I went for a walk

26:36 for a couple hours last night just thinking that night

26:40 comes from a little pawn shop three blocks from the boys

26:43 house it costs six dollars to get the ball to by yourself

26:50 switchblade noise that's right I broke the law you know

26:54 that's a real bright trick you pulled there what do you

26:57 think that proves maybe there are ten knives like that so

27:00 odd maybe there are so what does that mean ah

27:04 it's the same kind of knife once them the discovery

27:07 of the a teacher someday it would still be an incredible

27:10 coincidence far that's a person tourists at some consulates that's right sanctum

27:14 that's right he's absolutely yeah one in a million come

27:18 on it's horrible but not very probable all right all right so

27:23 let's sit back down gentlemen no point milling around like you

27:28 know it's interesting but he should find a knife exactly like

27:30 the one the boy bought the interesting what is that God

27:34 prove anything no but I do an interesting listen why

27:39 don't you tell me why the kid bought the knife

27:40 to begin well he claimed data yeah I know he claims he

27:44 claims he bought it as a present for a friend

27:46 of his he was going to give it to the kid

27:48 the next day because he busted the other kids like dropping

27:52 it on the paint that's what he said boy break-ins not

27:58 right how long before the murder three weeks so now

28:03 you tell me how our noble lad boss at night 1/2

28:06 hour after his father smacked him and three and a half

28:10 hours before they found it shoved up there in his father's

28:13 jet no way he was going to give the kids 9

28:16 as a present just wanted to try it out let me

28:21 ask you this if the boy bought the knife to use

28:23 on his father then why did he show it what's going

28:26 to be the murder weapon the three friends of his just

28:29 a couple of hours before the killing took place well

28:31 all of that is just tops the boy lied that you

28:35 know he made of life do you think he lied yeah

28:41 that's a stupid question sure he lied how about you you

28:46 know my dad's he can lie do you think he lied

28:54 I'm not sure having a baby you're not sure what are

28:57 you two kids lawyer something who do you think you are

29:00 to come in here and start crosses happening us is it

29:03 Neville it's supposed to happen in a jury room oh yeah

29:05 well they still 11 of us in here who say he's

29:08 guilty honey come on if you wanted to summon and hang

29:12 this jury you buy right ahead they couldn't be tried

29:15 again and found good be just as sure as he was

29:17 born probably right we're gonna be doing here we're gonna be

29:20 here all night it's totally one night a boy made God

29:25 everybody that objected cards patients make a joke about it come

29:30 on I don't see where all this stuff about that tight

29:33 let's do it then somebody shot and hit stabbed his father

29:38 but what more to give me listen I got three

29:41 garages going to rise listen let's just get on with okay

29:56 the side arguments are just slowing us down so how

29:59 about you are the only one alright look kind of proposition

30:05 to me I want you eleven men to vote by secret

30:09 Rick paladin and I'll abstain there are still 11 guilty

30:14 votes that I won't stand alone we'll take your guilty verdict

30:16 into the judge right but if anyone posts not guilty stay

30:21 here and talk about you finally be acting like a reasonable

30:25 man that sounds good anybody objects right pass these down [Music]

30:44 all right fine all right right guilty guilty guilty guilty guilty

31:03 guilty guilty guilty guilty not good guilty well how do you

31:26 like that the guys loose this goddamn wing all right come

31:31 on come on whoo watch it I wanna die excuse

31:34 me this was a secret I mean secret there are no

31:40 secrets in the jury room I know who it was you

31:44 know brother you're really something you come in here and look

31:48 guilty with the rest of us and then some golden

31:50 boys creature over there starts to tear your heart out how

31:53 this poor little kid could to help become a murderer so

31:57 you've changed your vote if that is it the most sickening thing

32:01 hey why don't you drop a quarter next collection are

32:04 you minute you can't talk together excitable we're trying to put

32:14 a guilty man in the chair where it belongs somebody comes

32:17 a little bit starts telling fairy tales then we're listening what do

32:21 you need take it easy do you want to see

32:23 a proven murderer walking the streets again why don't we give him

32:27 his knife back make it easier for on can we hold

32:30 down the yelling does anybody have anything constructive to say please

32:36 I would like to say something here I have always thought

32:41 in discussions that the man was entitled to have a popular

32:45 opinion may you just stick to the subject why don't

32:49 you change your book he didn't change his vote I did

32:54 would you like me to tell you why I wouldn't

32:59 I would like to make it clear if you don't mind

33:03 I'll be quiet let's hear what he has to say thank

33:07 you this gentleman has been standing alone against us he doesn't

33:13 take the boy is not guilty he just isn't sure it's

33:18 not easy to stand alone against the ridicule of others he

33:23 gambled for support and I gave it to him I respect

33:28 his moment the boy on trial is probably guilty but I

33:34 want to hear more especially for the time being

33:36 that the boat is texted to odd duck again you uh come

33:40 I can adhere you you never will alright if the speech

33:44 is over maybe we could go on I guess we're gonna

33:49 take a break gentleman there and I'm I think we have

33:52 a wait really hung up here literals I mean that thing

34:15 with the old man was pretty unexpected right yes I

34:19 wish I knew how we could break this up you know

34:25 in advertising I told you I worked in an ad there's

34:31 some pretty strange people well not strange they just have peculiar

34:36 ways of expressing themselves you don't any we're having it's probably

34:40 saving your business right well what do you do I am

34:42 a watchmaker really well the finest watchmakers come from you're fired

34:51 right but it's so anyway I was telling it an agent's

34:55 right when we reach a point like this is the meat

34:57 is always some character ready with a tiny light and it

35:01 kills I think it's don't be honest think sometimes

35:03 the way they perceive the idea with the phrase right like

35:09 this on the county executive will sync up here's an idea

35:13 let's read a light bulb let's see if anybody's dudes hey let's

35:18 put it on the bus and see if it gets

35:21 off in Wall Street that business before you know I'm just

35:31 an excitable gung-ho I didn't mean to be nasty or anything

35:35 all right so you a Salesman I'm an architect ah you

35:54 know all about the soft sell don't you you're pretty good

35:57 at it I'll tell you then may I use another approach

36:01 Joseph drinks knock them on their asses you know last year

36:07 me twenty seven thousand dollars selling barley it's pretty damn good

36:12 when you consider momily something let's just get this over

36:21 with so we can go home before we all get sore

36:23 throats what's the difference when you get one here at the ball

36:27 game nice bunch of guys huh same as any I

36:41 guess that loudmouth the one that was talking about his son

36:46 the Winky was 12 but that was embarrassing yeah what

36:51 a murderous Pig you think we'll be here much longer there's

36:59 no doubt about it in the whole world which should have been

37:03 done by now not that I mind at least working

37:07 you know and when they released decision I don't know maybe

37:15 I don't know but I'll bet you've never been wrong during

37:19 your life why did you back this up you are wasting

37:23 your time suppose you were the one on trial I'm not

37:28 used to supposing but my boys he doesn't suppose and I'm

37:32 just a working there but I'll try what suppose you

37:36 talk us out of this and the kid really did night

37:39 this father right gentlemen take our seats all right everybody here

38:00 so let's get down to business hoop it up would like

38:03 to start us off I'm sorry right no it's all right

38:06 go ahead talk to me I need you to cheer up

38:08 wait all right go ahead I just wanted to make

38:12 a small point the boy had a motive for the killing

38:16 but the beatings at all I mean if he didn't do

38:20 it who else did who else had a motive I mean people

38:25 just don't go out and kill somebody without a motive now

38:28 unless it just plain nuts right look as far as I

38:31 know we're supposed to determine whether the boy on trial

38:34 is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt we're not concerned with anyone

38:38 elses motives that's a job for the police very true

38:42 but we can't help and we can't come asking ourselves who

38:49 else may have had motive a logically these things follow now

38:53 this gentleman is that's a reasonable question somebody killed him it

38:56 wasn't the boy who wasn't mojo loose key if you

39:03 haven't gotten anything to add besides jokes is suggesting this all

39:07 right I was just let enough Steve I'm sorry go ahead

39:12 well maybe you can answer me then who helped Smith killed

39:16 the father I don't know the boy's father wasn't exactly

39:21 a model citizen he was in jail once he was known

39:26 to be a compulsive gambler and a pretty consistent loser he

39:31 spent time in neighborhood bars and would often get into fistfights after

39:34 a couple of drinks usually over a woman he was

39:38 a tough cruel primitive kind of man who who never held

39:41 a job for more than six months in his life so

39:44 here are a few possibilities he may have been killed by one

39:48 of the men he served time in prison whistle nor

39:51 by a bookmaker or by a man he beaten up

39:55 or by a woman he picked up a fight any one

39:58 of the people he was known to hang around with and it's

40:01 the biggest load of crap listen we know the father was

40:06 a bum so come on what does that got to do

40:08 with anything I didn't bring it up I was asked

40:11 who else might have killed him and I gave my answer

40:12 over there after direct question Oh Oh everyone's a lawyer all

40:18 right why don't you answer this the old man said he

40:22 hurts a boy yell out I'm going to kill you second

40:25 later he heard a body hit the floor and he saw

40:27 the kid running out of the house now what does all

40:30 that mean to you I was wondering how clearly he could

40:33 have heard the boy's voice through the ceiling he didn't hear

40:36 it through the ceiling his window was open and the upstairs

40:39 up on the window was open too it was a hot

40:42 night remember the voice came from another apartment is not

40:45 easy to identify a voice especially a shouting boy he identified

40:49 it in court he picked the never love above five other

40:52 voices I mean in blindfold but that was just an ambitious

40:56 district attorney putting on a show the old man knows

41:00 the boys voice very well they lived in the same house

41:03 for years but but to identify it positively from the apartment downstairs

41:08 isn't it possible he was wrong then he thought the boy

41:12 was upstairs and automatically decided that the voice he heard was

41:15 the boys boys I think that's a bit far-fetched whether you

41:18 can say that again look the old man heard the father's

41:21 body falling then he saw the boys running out

41:24 of the house 15 seconds later come on he saw the boy

41:28 and don't forget the woman across the street I mean she

41:31 looked right into the open window and saw the boys daddies

41:38 out right now no it is 3/8 this guy's had probably

41:42 to do with that follow the woman's soul the killing Linda

41:45 with those of an elevated train the train had six cars

41:49 that she's so good feeling through the windows of the last

41:51 two cars she remembered the most insignificant details I don't

41:55 see what you can argue with that I don't know it

41:57 doesn't sound right yeah well maybe you ought to think about

42:00 it listen I'll be X's ubios I wonder if anybody has

42:07 any idea how long it'd take out to you play tic-tac-toe

42:11 this isn't it come on let's take our seats I got

42:18 a good mind I felt him come on I don't when

42:20 he fights it the nerve the absolute power forget it mr.

42:24 Ford this isn't a game who does he think

42:26 he's dealing with we're gonna go over with come

42:29 on forgive me madam so we're I wouldn't

42:31 apologize all right noisy he apologizes now let's hear

42:35 what it's got to say come on thank you I was wondering if anybody has any idea

42:41 how long it takes an elevated train traveling

42:43 at medium speed to pass a given point this is

42:47 how long pick again I wouldn't have the slightest

42:50 idea how about you 10 or 12 seconds

42:54 someone solve this for I'd say that was about

42:57 right anyone else that's a game or what do

43:01 you think 10 centers a profitable all right let's

43:04 say 10 seconds what are you getting at this it

43:08 takes the 6 car every 10 seconds to pass a given point now let's say that given

43:13 point is the open wing of the apartment

43:15 in which is the killing took place if they almost

43:18 reach out and touch the L tracks right is

43:21 anyone here ever lived right next to the L

43:24 I work next to the airline painting an appointment

43:28 I'm a house thing that that's my business

43:29 I was there for three days what was it like what do you mean no easy how

43:35 brother yeah but it doesn't matter of my business

43:38 everybody's punchy anyway listen I lived in a second-floor

43:41 apartment right next to the old lines when

43:44 the windows open and the train goes by the noise

43:46 is unbearable you can't hear yourself think alright

43:49 you can hear your so think we're pointing

43:51 a catnap let's take two pieces of testimony

43:54 and try and put them together first the old man

43:57 downstairs he says he heard the boy saying

44:00 I'm going to kill you and then he heard

44:02 the body to the floor a split second later

44:04 one second right that's one second the woman across

44:08 the street she said she looked out her window

44:11 and saw the killing take place through the last

44:13 two cars of a passing El train the last

44:16 two cars right all right what's your point

44:19 never we agreed it takes a six-car El train

44:21 about 10 seconds to pass a given point since

44:24 the woman said she saw the killing through

44:26 the last two cars we can assume that the body

44:29 hit the floor just as a train passed

44:31 by therefore the train had to be roaring past

44:35 the old man's apartment for a full 10

44:37 seconds before the body fell the old man according

44:40 to his testimony hearing the boy say I'm going

44:43 to kill you and the body falling a split

44:45 second later would have had to hear the boy

44:48 make that statement while the yell was roaring

44:50 past as none of them it isn't possible

44:52 he could have heard it oh that's idiotic they

44:57 only accept the boy killed it out that's enough

44:59 for me if he heard anything at all he still couldn't identify a voice not not

45:03 with the train roaring Pat is talking about a matter

45:05 of seconds here nobody can be that accurate

45:07 well I think testimony that can put a boy

45:10 in the electric chair should be that accurate I

45:12 don't think you could have heard it maybe not

45:15 with the sound of the what are you people

45:17 talking about he needs to be high you're crazy why

45:20 would he lie what's he got to gain attention

45:25 you know you keep coming up with these snappy

45:29 sayings here once you send little to the newspapers

45:31 they take three now it's like talking

45:34 to him like that don't put your hands on me take it easy now sit down come

45:47 on what did you want to say it was a very old man with the torn jacket and he

46:19 walked very slowly to the stand even dragging

46:24 his left leg and trying to hide it because

46:27 he was ashamed I think I know him better

46:33 than anyone here this is a quiet frightened insignificant

46:40 old matters we've been noting all of his life

46:44 never had any recognition his name in the newspapers

46:50 nobody knows him nobody calls him nobody teaches

46:56 advice after 75 years this is a very sad thing to be nothing bad like this needs

47:07 to be recognized we listen to them to be quoted

47:13 just once this is very important it would be

47:18 so hard for him to recede into the background

47:20 who are you trying to tell us that this old man why just so we can feel

47:26 it or no he wouldn't really lie but how

47:31 did he make himself believe that he heard

47:34 those words and recognized the boy's face suppose fantastic

47:46 story I ever heard how can you make up a thing like that what do you know about

47:51 it gentlemen this case is based on a reasonable

47:54 and logical progression of facts that stupid thing

47:57 facts may be correct mindset personalities of the people

48:01 who resent all right I think we've proved

48:16 the old man could have heard the boy say I'm

48:17 going to kill you but prove it at all

48:20 what are you talking about but supposing he

48:22 did this phrase how many times of each

48:26 of us used it probably hundreds I could kill you

48:30 for that darling you do that one more

48:32 time Junior and I'll kill you come on Rocky

48:36 when we say it every day it doesn't mean

48:38 we're gonna kill somebody Oh what are you trying

48:41 to give us the boy yelled out I'm going to kill you when he yelled it

48:44 at the top of his lung don't tell me

48:47 he didn't beat anybody says something like that the way

48:50 he said it they mean I don't know about

48:53 that I remember ugly with a man at the bank

48:56 just a couple of weeks ago so he called me an idiot so I yelled at look

49:02 look look this guy is making you believe

49:05 things that aren't true the kid said he was

49:07 gonna kill him and he didn't kill him do

49:09 you really think he'd shout out a thing like

49:11 that so the whole neighborhood could hear I don't

49:14 think so he's much too bright for that right

49:18 he's a common ignorant slob he don't even

49:21 speak good English Potter he doesn't even speak good

49:27 English I'd like to change my bones and not

49:32 guilty now how are you talking about me

49:35 are you sure yeah three come on the faxes parity write the base and they all say

49:51 that this team killed his father right now well

49:53 even a slowly doesn't think he had a chance

49:55 you could see it right from the beginning

49:57 his own lawyer traced this guy deserves the chance does

50:02 he it's happened before that someone's been convicted

50:05 of murder and executed and years later someone else

50:08 is dispatched to the crime sometimes sometimes

50:12 of the facts staring in the face are just wrong

50:14 I was talking to him not you look the kid not a lawyer and the lawyer presented

50:22 this case not you how come you got so

50:24 much to say the lawyer was court-appointed what does

50:27 that mean it can mean a lot of things convenient what the case of good may be

50:32 resented being appointed I mean it's a type

50:35 of case that brings them nothing no money you know

50:37 worried not even much chance of winning it's not

50:40 a very promising situation for a young lawyer he'd

50:43 really have to believe in his client in order to put up a good fight and as you

50:47 just pointed out obviously he did booboo could

50:50 got itself under you come on just look

50:55 at the kids guilty apart I made some notes

51:00 here I like please to say something I have been

51:07 listening very closely it seems to me

51:10 that this man has some very good points to make

51:12 from what was presented at the trial and so

51:17 boy looks guilty but maybe if we go deeper

51:21 is a question of a microphallus fee assume

51:26 it's a boy committed murder staff disposal it's

51:29 a chest that's my anaphase this was it ten

51:32 minutes after 12:00 now how us a boy caught

51:36 by the police he came home at three o'clock

51:39 or so it was captured by two detectives it's

51:42 a whole painting of this house now my question

51:45 is if Savoy had really killed his father sapphire did

51:49 he come back to the hours later would be be afraid of being caught who came back

51:55 to get his knife it's not nice to leave

51:58 knives sticking in people's head especially a relative

52:02 a boy knew that there were people who could

52:04 identify the night as the one who just purchased

52:06 he has to get a people to police my TV news a knife could be identified said why

52:11 did he leave it there in the first place I think we can assume that he ran

52:15 out of the state of panic and once he

52:17 calmed down he realized he loved the night where

52:19 they exist that depends upon your definition no beef

52:23 was calm enough to see- it's at the night

52:26 for some real fingerprints no look you can forget

52:31 all that other stuff he came back to dig

52:33 out his knife and get rid of it three hours a show or three hours later if

52:38 I first the boy and I killed my father

52:40 I could not have come back three hours later

52:43 I would be afraid that the police would be there I could stay a very night or no

52:48 life listen you murdered guilty didn't you what

52:51 side do you want I don't believe I have to be loyal to one side or the other

52:57 I'm simply asking questions this is just off the top of my head and I I've done

53:05 the Stabbin and everything will I take a chance

53:08 and go back for the night I bet he figured nobody at sea and that the body

53:13 probably wasn't even discovered yet I mean after all

53:16 is the middle of the night right you probably

53:18 thought the body would be found to the next

53:20 margin here is my whole point it's a woman

53:23 across the street testifies that the moment after

53:26 she sorts again that there's a moment after sea

53:29 air treatment by street it's a bunch of telephones

53:33 of police now the boy must certainly have

53:36 heard that agreement nor did somebody saw something I

53:40 don't think he would have gone back if he

53:42 had been sober two points one in his state of panic he may not have heard

53:49 the scream perhaps it wasn't very loud and two

53:52 he didn't hear it he may not have connected

53:55 with his own act after all he did come

53:57 from a neighborhood where screams were fairly commonplace right

54:00 there's your answer hey maybe the boy did stab

54:06 his father didn't hear the scream did run out

54:09 in the panic did calm down and came

54:11 back three hours later to retrieve the night risking

54:14 being caught by the police maybe all these things

54:17 of so maybe they aren't look I think we

54:21 have enough doubt to wonder if the boy wasn't

54:23 even in the apartment at the time the killing

54:25 took place you mean down talking about bit

54:29 me old man she's running out of the house oh come on he's twisting the facts I'm

54:35 telling you you did know didn't the old man

54:38 see the kid running out of the house at 12 dead well did he or didn't he he

54:44 says he did says he okay well did

54:50 or didn't the woman across the street see the kid

54:53 kill his father she says she did you know

54:58 making out like it don't matter what people say

55:00 yeah what you want to believe you believe

55:03 and what you don't want to believe you don't

55:05 come on now what kind of way you say what do you think the people's get up

55:09 on the witness stand for the hell I'm telling

55:13 him and the facts are being changed around here

55:16 witnesses are being doubted and there is no reason

55:19 Ortiz can make mistake offshore when you want them

55:22 through they do you know what I mean we hold down the yeah well you keep saying

55:27 that but maybe what we need here is

55:29 a little more yelling is the difference in their just

55:45 for another never seen so much constant on nothing

55:58 I guess the easiest way is to find out

56:02 who's voting not guilty all those voting not guilty

56:05 raise your hand one two three still the same

56:10 three votes for not guilty nine votes guilty we

56:15 can talk 2012 it's Tuesday it's not getting us

56:19 anywhere crazy in here or something the boy is

56:32 guilty pay attention to the facts come on television

56:36 I just get to be a goddamn joke vote is now eight to four I mean everybody's

56:42 hard to start to bleed for this kid like

56:44 I just declared it love you on the pillage

56:47 brother week listen come in I want you to tell me why you changed come on come

56:54 on give your receptor defense my quote to you

56:56 I have a reasonable doubt reasonable doubt that's

57:00 nothing but words there take a look

57:03 at this all right the kid you just said isn't

57:06 guilty was seen ramming this thing into his father's

57:09 chest come on take a look at it mr.

57:12 reasoner without that stuff tonight don't you remember how

57:16 brilliant this is crazy what are we supposed to believe

57:21 this guy's both stuff at play here what about

57:24 the old man you want us to believe that any

57:28 didn't jump up out of bed didn't run down

57:30 to the door and see the guy running down

57:32 the hallway 15 seconds after the murder come on with us

57:36 the point of the whole thing and the Milwaukee

57:38 Rudin is read from the old man said you ran to the door I think you said walk

57:45 home what's the difference I got there I remember

57:47 what he said I don't see all these same heat

57:49 wave from his bedroom to the front door that's

57:51 enough isn't it that way man where was the old

57:54 man's bedroom again it's down the hall somewhere oh

57:57 you remembered everything don't you remember that no mr.

58:02 Foreman I'd like to see the diagram of the apartment oh you

58:04 know about the whole trial overseas you mentioned you got everything right mr.

58:09 Foreman I heard wait a minute what's going

58:12 on here how come you're the only one who wants

58:14 to see exhibits all the time yeah I want to see this one too dad I want to stop

58:17 wasting time listen I want to see it

58:21 but very old man who dragged one leg when he

58:23 walks because he had a stroke plaster it make

58:26 it from his bedroom to his front door in 15

58:29 seconds he said 2076 15 20 seconds what are

58:33 you trying to see on TV look look how

58:35 does he know how long 15 seconds is he's an old man you saw at the time it

58:41 was confused how can he be positive about anything

58:49 I mean the man says he saw the boy

58:52 right out well let's see if the details paramount

58:57 as soon as the body hit the floor he said

59:00 they heard footsteps running towards the door then he

59:02 heard the upstairs door open and the footsteps start

59:05 down the stairs he says he got out of it and got to his front door as soon

59:10 as he could he swore it couldn't be any

59:12 more than fifteen seconds the killer started running immediately

59:16 the old man said he did you know what

59:18 you should be down in Atlantic City at they asked

59:21 with us good all right baseball and knock

59:23 with the wise this is a diagram of the apartment

59:34 in which the killing took place the old man's

59:36 apartment is directly below it and exactly the same here's

59:40 the o-line bedroom living room kitchen bath hall front

59:46 door and stairs now the old man says he got

59:49 out of bed out into the hall down the hall

59:53 open the front door just in time to see the boy runs down the stairs am I right

59:56 so far that's the story for the 19th time

59:59 fifteen seconds after he heard the body hit

1:00:02 the floor all right all right he was invented it's

1:00:05 12 feet from the bed to the bedroom door the hallway is 43 feet six inches so he

1:00:12 had to get out of bed go to the bedroom door open it go out at the hall down

1:00:17 the hall open the front door all in 15

1:00:20 seconds do you think he could have done it

1:00:22 sure he could have done it make it sound like a long walk it is it or an old

1:00:32 man would have a stroke you need a long haul I look this is the old man come

1:00:37 on what's going on here I'm gonna try this thing

1:00:40 let's see how long it took what do you mean

1:00:42 you want to try why did the kids lawyer

1:00:44 bring it up it was so important maybe just

1:00:47 didn't say what what no what do you mean

1:00:49 II didn't think of it what do you what do

1:00:50 you think of defenses idiot or something it's an obvious

1:00:53 thing did you think of it look smart guys

1:00:56 don't matter with the right board he didn't bring

1:00:59 it up because he knew the answer in this case

1:01:01 all right now what do you think of that all right this is the old man's bed I'm

1:01:05 gonna pace off 12 feet the length of the bedroom

1:01:08 oh this is crazy you can't recreate something like this I'd like to see it right

1:01:13 this is the bedroom door now the hallway is 43

1:01:16 feet long Ella I'll page to the front door

1:01:18 down a little bit this is absolutely insane what is

1:01:23 the idea of wasting everybody's time according to you

1:01:26 it'll only take 15 seconds we can spare

1:01:29 that 43 give me another champion in seconds all

1:01:41 right this is the front door to the apartment it

1:01:43 was changing loft according to the testimony who's got

1:01:46 a watch with a second hand well I do

1:01:48 like stab your foot when you want me to start

1:01:51 that would be the body hitting the floor timing

1:01:53 from there anyone for a game of charades they'd

1:01:56 never seen anything like this in my entire life

1:02:01 all right I'm ready come on let's go I

1:02:07 want to wait till the second hand reaches 60 oh

1:02:13 alright here's the body it's gotta get up out

1:02:17 of bed now he's got to cook 12 feet

1:02:20 to the bedrooms over gets to the bathroom tour opens

1:02:28 it steps out into the hall he's got to go

1:02:30 43 feet to the front door of his apartment

1:02:40 it's a cultural minute you think I should go

1:02:43 fast when I'm with him oh come on can

1:02:46 we get this kid stuff over with all right let's

1:02:51 get to the door he's got to open the chain lock open the door and look out stop

1:02:56 what's the time 30 40 42 42 seconds look

1:03:06 I think this is what happened the old man hurt

1:03:08 the fight between the boy and his father

1:03:10 a couple of hours earlier then while lying in bed

1:03:13 he heard the body hit the floor he tried to get to the front door as quick as he

1:03:17 could but he heard the footsteps heading down

1:03:19 the stairs and he just assumed it was the boy

1:03:22 I think that might be possible a soui now

1:03:25 listen to me people I've seen a lot of dishonesty

1:03:28 in my thing but this little display takes

1:03:30 the cake you come in here with your sanctimonious talk

1:03:33 about slum kids injustice you start selling some wild

1:03:37 stories and all of a sudden you start getting

1:03:39 through to some of the little old ladies

1:03:41 in here we're gonna get you through to me I've

1:03:44 had enough what's the matter with you people every

1:03:49 one of you knows this kid is guilty they start

1:03:52 up bird we're letting them slip through our fingers

1:03:55 here look through our fingers what are you his executioner

1:03:59 yeah hug one of them maybe you'd like

1:04:01 to pull the switch oh but this can't you bet

1:04:04 I'd like to pull this fry sorry for you

1:04:06 don't even start with me ever since we walked

1:04:09 in this room you behaving like a self-appointed public

1:04:11 Avenger I'm telling you shut up you want to see

1:04:14 this kid die because you personally want it no

1:04:16 because of the fact you don't really mean you'll kill

1:04:29 me do you wanna join that's nice oh no

1:04:39 no no everything's fine partnering we're done with this thank

1:04:44 you very much what do you all staring

1:04:51 at it's getting late huh so what do they feel

1:05:04 like take us out to a restaurant let us go home I mean you know in case you

1:05:11 can't finish out the year wife says he looks

1:05:17 like Khrushchev peace this despite this is not behind

1:05:24 we are here to fight we have a responsibility

1:05:28 yet I have always thought that in this country it

1:05:34 is a remarkable thing set be notified we are

1:05:40 notified to come down to this place and decide

1:05:42 on the guilt or innocence of Ahmet we have never

1:05:45 heard of before we have nothing to gain or lose

1:05:49 I am verdict this is one of the reasons

1:05:52 they are well anyway the easiest ways of so

1:06:49 handsome I say we have an open call out

1:06:53 our let's see who stands when right sounds good

1:06:58 to me anybody object alright call your juror number

1:07:01 I both guilty number two not guilty number three LT

1:07:09 number four guilty number six guilty not guilty number

1:07:20 seven guilty number eight not guilty number nine not tilted

1:07:27 don't pretend gypsy number eleven not guilty number twelve

1:07:41 tied up I'm telling a kid like that [Music]

1:08:13 might be a boon junker looks like it's gonna

1:08:28 rain so how did you figure that out Friday dies

1:08:34 what makes you shake your boat well they just

1:08:36 see if you're did I collect the standoff you

1:08:38 know that well I don't feel that way listen

1:08:41 there were a lot of details as never seen any

1:08:43 tales Yeah right you just let yourself get bulldozed

1:08:47 by a bunch of what do you call me

1:08:49 intellectual just like everybody else you think too much

1:08:55 you get mixed up [Music] that rain you're gonna

1:09:27 pull it down yes'm mine's famous corn we had

1:09:35 November some white in the middle of a game

1:09:40 loose in seven to six really starting to move

1:09:43 the ball I mean really starting to move in all

1:09:46 of a sudden whoosh I starts coming down

1:09:50 in cats and dogs I made it in two minutes frankly we up to our acid mud oh we

1:09:56 couldn't go anywhere I can say it I almost ball

1:10:00 probably tell you I'm gonna sit that football coach

1:10:03 over corporal high school well Taylor super get the spaniel

1:10:06 come on alright let's take another look at this [Applause]

1:10:17 into the light switch so some great huh what

1:10:27 do you think of this thing Steven Steven kind

1:10:30 of surprising isn't it yes say listen that business

1:10:34 before I mean the guy was just trying to beat

1:10:36 me you know I'm an excitable person but I mean where does he come off calling me

1:10:41 a sadist and everything huh anybody in his right mind

1:10:44 would have blown his stack wouldn't he I mean

1:10:46 it's just trying to bathe me didn't excellent job he's

1:10:53 an ethic job damndest thing you ever saw six to six it's a joke oh can we do

1:10:59 something about it can we break down those six

1:11:01 baskets and there ain't gonna change it five of them

1:11:04 already have changed their minds there's no reason they

1:11:06 can't be persuaded to do it again I think

1:11:17 we should just quit what the hell you're talking

1:11:19 about what those people in there suddenly like some kind

1:11:22 of mission is something look they're not gonna switch

1:11:25 so let's go and tell the judge I mean

1:11:28 come on we'll be here all night for Christ's

1:11:31 sake let's tell them our problems Pete what the hell

1:11:34 what am I gonna do break my brains of a stump like that you took an oath

1:11:38 in the courtroom you can't just quit yeah why not

1:11:41 it's dishonest why don't you both not kill him I

1:11:44 vote guilty because I think he's guilty what now

1:11:47 you don't care anymore no why should all right

1:11:49 just roughly to get anywhere so what is it

1:11:52 important for me I mean I gave up my honest

1:11:54 opinion I know I suppose you don't think much

1:11:57 of it no I know about him is that something

1:12:04 a hung jury doesn't mean anything they just start

1:12:07 the trial over with another jury it's not what

1:12:10 we're here for so tell us a difference

1:12:12 a hung jury is what we're going to get right

1:12:21 gentlemen take our seats okay so I'll tell you

1:12:34 what I think here we go no way I'm

1:12:39 ready to walk into court right now and declare

1:12:42 a hung jury all right I'd say we take

1:12:45 it inside and that the kid take his chances

1:12:48 with the DA I don't think the board will accept

1:12:51 the hung shirt we haven't been in here very

1:12:52 long that's mine you know he doesn't stand a chance

1:12:57 with another jury you know that come on let's

1:13:00 just take it inside you still don't think there's

1:13:02 any room for reasonable doubt no we're going to tell

1:13:17 me what I understand you know they're all like

1:13:20 they come over to this country running for their lives

1:13:23 and before they've even had a chance to take

1:13:25 a deep breath they're running the show arrogance

1:13:28 of this guy you're calling him arrogant because he wasn't

1:13:30 born yet well I'm calling you arrogant because you

1:13:33 were I'm saying it's nihilistic you know nobody tells me

1:13:38 what I understand and don't understand especially him Rome

1:13:42 I just got them European head all right all

1:13:45 right if we stick to the subject for just

1:13:47 two minutes stick to the subject please gentlemen I'd like

1:13:52 to talk about an important point for the prosecution

1:13:56 was the fact that the boy after claiming he

1:13:59 had been at the movies during that time

1:14:00 the killings took place couldn't remember the pictures he saw

1:14:03 or the stars who appeared in this right this gentleman

1:14:06 has repeated that point several times that's correct who

1:14:10 was the only alibi the boy offered and he

1:14:12 himself couldn't back it up with any details at all

1:14:14 right putting yourself in the boys place if you

1:14:17 can do you think you can remember details after

1:14:21 an upsetting experience such as being slapped in the face

1:14:23 by your father I do there were any special

1:14:26 details to remember he couldn't remember the names

1:14:29 of the movies the theater you mean because he wasn't there

1:14:32 that night according to the police the boy was

1:14:35 questioned in the kitchen while the body of his father

1:14:38 lie on the bedroom floor do you think you

1:14:40 can remember details under such circumstances I do under

1:14:44 great emotional stress under great emotional stress well he

1:14:48 named them correctly in court he named the pictures

1:14:51 he saw them the stars who appeared in them

1:14:52 deaths his lawyer took great pains to bring that out

1:14:54 he had three months from the night of the murder

1:14:57 to the day of the trial in which

1:14:58 to memorising I'll take the testimony of the policeman

1:15:01 who interrogated the boy right after the killing right

1:15:04 I couldn't remember a thing about the movies great

1:15:07 emotional stress or not I'd like to ask you

1:15:10 a personal question go ahead where were you last

1:15:14 night I was at home come on bail all right

1:15:22 I went straight for important to my office stayed

1:15:26 there till 8:30 and went right home to bed how

1:15:29 about the night before that Tuesday good thing

1:15:33 that was the night of the bridge plumbing yes I

1:15:35 play bridge and Monday night you know when you

1:15:38 get to do you see 1950 let me know okay one day Monday night my wife and I went

1:15:47 to the movies now what you see the starlet

1:15:49 circles very clever dude though what was the second

1:15:53 feature I'll tell you in a minute the remarkable mrs.

1:16:03 means no Bainbridge yes the remarkable Mrs Payne I saw that it's

1:16:10 called the amazing this is Bay Bridge yes the amazing mr.

1:16:15 Bainbridge yes I think that's right who is it the amazing

1:16:18 this is Bainbridge it's a pretty girl Barbara her long bang all over

1:16:27 long who else very inexpensive second feature and you wonder weren't under

1:16:38 great emotional strain were you know that wasn't I think the point

1:16:45 is made good point what just because he can't remember the name

1:16:52 of some stupid movie star oh I proof I suppose that proves

1:16:57 the kid was at the movies no it's possible even perfectly doable

1:17:12 for this channel this is began a few details it's also perfectly normal

1:17:17 for the boy we confuse the murders devoted to giving an infallible

1:17:22 memory well you can talk to your targets dragon look for the boy

1:17:28 is guilty period know what I mean my friend who's got

1:17:35 those cough drops oh they're all gauze Rin you know there's something

1:17:40 for forget all the business with the psycho come on don't start

1:17:45 with all that phony psycho whatever you what the racket that is I

1:17:52 feel the people's head with all that junk listen I've got three

1:17:56 psychiatrists keeping their cars in one of my garages let me tell you

1:18:00 the whole three of them are crazy there's a point I'd like

1:18:03 to make it yeah well I wouldn't give you a nickel per

1:18:06 psychiatrist testimony look why don't you let the man talk you can

1:18:10 spend five minutes on the uselessness of psychiatry when he's finished the point

1:18:16 I was going to make was that psychiatrists definitely stated

1:18:19 that this kid had strong homicidal tendencies and he was twenty kony capable

1:18:26 of committing murder talk about those ink blots and then it's tested

1:18:30 all that stuff definitely said that this kid was a killer type am

1:18:36 i right jack I think he said something about paranoid tendencies

1:18:40 if I'm not mistaken yeah right whatever that is he definitely stated

1:18:47 that this boy had murder on his mind his unconscious mind nobody I

1:18:55 beg pardon way being forgot that boy was the same reason you will

1:19:01 not it's a day I was brought up now discussing such

1:19:07 as thick as the murder potential peaceably never if any of us are

1:19:12 capable few of us to be impose controls upon ourselves to prevent

1:19:19 it it suppose ceases psychiatric tests can accomplish is this they can tell

1:19:24 us that something a particular person may commit a murder that's all

1:19:29 simple nothing then why are they admitted into evidence well they have

1:19:33 many uses of course in this particular case they added to the general

1:19:39 impression that the prosecution must try to create perhaps it we

1:19:44 twelve men to the same tests one or two of us may

1:19:47 be discovered to have had unconscious desires to kill and the potentiality

1:19:53 of clearing it up yet none of us as to say

1:19:57 that a man is capable of murder does not mean that he has committed

1:20:01 murder but it can't mean it I mean if they said

1:20:06 the kid is capable of killing him he could have killed cognition are

1:20:10 you the one who said and I quote I wouldn't give you

1:20:14 a nickel for a psychiatrist testimony to you five to six that rain

1:20:30 could I see that night for a second well still tied up

1:20:38 six to six who's got a suggestion I am let's get some

1:20:43 dinner wait till 7:00 give it another hour would be I'd like

1:20:52 to say something there's something I want to talk about that's bothered me

1:20:55 a little bit all right well there's this whole business about

1:20:58 this tableau you know how it is made at one angle you know

1:21:05 don't tell me we're going to start this again they went over

1:21:09 and over I know they did but I don't go along with it

1:21:13 look the boy is 5 feet 7 inches tall the father was

1:21:19 6- that's a difference of 7 inches now it's very awkward thing

1:21:24 to stab someone down into the chest when he's a half

1:21:28 a foot or more over the color of you are listening look you're

1:21:33 not going to be give me that tape yeah I'm not going

1:21:35 to be satisfied till you see it again so I'm going to give

1:21:38 you a little demonstration somebody get up I'm about four or five

1:21:54 inches shorter than you right now nobody's hurt right no no nobody's

1:22:10 hurt all right take a look at dancer rank down and it

1:22:15 that's how I stab it taller man in the chest and that's

1:22:18 how it was done okay now please me wrong now then in yes

1:22:29 there's no argument wait a minute can I see that I hate

1:22:37 these things I grew up have you seen amusement fights too many

1:22:42 of them my stoop in the backyard and a lot across the street

1:22:48 switch legs hang with the neighborhood where I lived honey I wasn't

1:22:52 thinking of it before just try to forget those things you don't

1:23:00 use this kind of night that way you have to hold it

1:23:02 like this in order to release the bleep you wanted to stab

1:23:05 down where you have to change your grip using like that underhanded

1:23:15 and that's why they made like this why everyone agreed that the boy

1:23:20 was pretty handy with a knife didn't they that's right when

1:23:24 do you think he would have made the kind of snap bowling

1:23:26 that killed his father with the experience he had with these things

1:23:29 no I don't think you would you go from underhanded wait a minute

1:23:34 how do you what were you in room when the father was

1:23:36 killed no and neither was anybody else you know you're giving us

1:23:42 a lot of mumbo-jumbo here I don't think you can determine what

1:23:45 type of a stab wound the boy might or might not have made

1:23:48 simply because he knows how to handle a knife that's right that's

1:23:51 absolutely right what do you think what do you mean you alone

1:23:58 how about you that's Tuesday I'm gonna break it up here what

1:24:16 do you mean yeah that's the way it's just worry about yourself you

1:24:25 have voted guilty as everyone else because you have baseball tickets burning

1:24:30 a hole in your pocket now you have changed your book because

1:24:33 you say you're tired of all the talking I weigh just the milk

1:24:36 and I play like Sisyphus of pants like this is a terrible

1:24:40 and ugly thing to do don't you care can you can't why

1:24:44 I can't talk like this to you if you want to vote

1:24:47 not guilty to do it because you are convinced that the boy

1:24:50 is not guilty that because you have had enough and if you

1:24:54 say he's guilty suburbs that Bay or toe to hands if guts

1:24:58 to do what to do that I'm talking not guilty why I

1:25:13 don't think he's guilty Foreman I'd like to call for another book

1:25:22 all right the most big pulse for anybody objection guess the easiest way

1:25:30 is a show of hands all those voting not guilty raise

1:25:35 your hand one two three four five six seven eight boat is now

1:25:54 nine to three go- not good I don't understand you people all

1:26:04 these picky little points that you keep bringing up they don't mean

1:26:09 nothing you believe this story you during an intelligent man even though

1:26:18 the patch of life right but for Christ's sake look at what

1:26:22 we're dealing with here what the hell's going on with all this talk

1:26:33 about psychiatrists well maybe he ought to go to one okay let's

1:26:40 talk that these people are born to lie then I said it

1:26:46 and no intelligent man is gonna tell me otherwise they don't know

1:26:50 what the truth is they are different they think different things they

1:27:00 act different I mean for instance they don't need any big excuse

1:27:04 to count so much well that's true I mean everybody knows anything

1:27:09 Victor I make a drunk on wine something cheap like that or they're

1:27:14 very big drinkers oh my God look at him progressing me slamming

1:27:21 the door okay okay now the trunk and all of a sudden someone's

1:27:29 lying dead in the gutter okay okay so no one's blaming them

1:27:34 for it that's how they are by Nature you know what I

1:27:38 mean fire human life don't mean as much to them is it

1:27:44 does hey where are you going oh like you're in there what did

1:27:50 you clean up your ears maybe they're snow come on look listen

1:27:57 to me you know these people they're boozing it up you know

1:28:00 fighting all the time somebody gets killed just somebody gets killed they

1:28:06 don't care fathers and mothers then at least it don't mean anything they

1:28:13 breed like animals come on well the show is show there are

1:28:20 some good things about them well I am the person to say

1:28:24 that but I admit some of them are okay but that's the exception

1:28:30 do you know that you're a sick man sick now listen listen

1:28:47 to me I am speaking my Beast and you are gonna listen

1:28:51 to me maybe if you just quieted down and quiet time I

1:28:55 will like hell quiet down there it's not one of them that's

1:29:00 any good well do you hear that not one not one now let

1:29:07 me let me lay this out for you ignorant bastards you

1:29:12 the window oh you're so goddamn smart what basic things you don't you

1:29:18 know that these people are multiplying this kids skin a crime

1:29:24 in this kind I'm multiplying five times as fast as where that's the statistic

1:29:32 five times they've been wild animals here that they're against us

1:29:39 the hands they want to destroy us yeah yeah that's right they want

1:29:44 to destroy us now look don't look at me like that there

1:29:51 is a danger you know I'm telling you there is a danger

1:29:54 and if we don't stop if we don't set them down whenever

1:29:58 we can then they have been honest right they are gonna breed

1:30:02 us out of existence oh now you've got them geniuses the better

1:30:09 listen to me here they're violent they are vicious they are ignorant

1:30:15 and they will cut us up that's their intent be kind of suck

1:30:20 now I'm warning you this boy this boy on trial here we've

1:30:27 got him that's one at least now I say get him before

1:30:33 his time gets us and I don't give a goddamn about the law

1:30:40 White's to them they don't tell me we've heard enough now sit

1:30:54 down and don't live in your filthy mouth again it's very hard

1:31:37 to keep personal prejudices out of a thing like this and the matter

1:31:42 where you run into it prejudice can obscure the truth I don't

1:31:48 think any real harm has been done here because I don't know

1:31:51 what the truth is no one ever will I suppose nine of us

1:31:57 now seem to think that the boy is innocent we're just gambling

1:32:01 on probabilities we may never know we may be trying to release

1:32:06 a guilty man back into the community but we now have reasonable

1:32:12 doubt and this is a safeguard that has enormous value in our system

1:32:18 no jury can declare a man guilty unless it's sure we

1:32:26 nine can understand how you three can still be so sure maybe

1:32:34 you can tell us I'll try it made some excellent points

1:32:42 the last one and the two argued that the boy would have made

1:32:46 the kind of overhead stab wound we killed the father was very

1:32:48 persuasive but I still think the boys guilty of murder two reasons one

1:32:55 the woman testimony from across the street who actually saw the murder

1:33:01 committed as far as I'm concerned that's the most important testimony

1:33:05 in the Hulk case and to the fact that she described the killing

1:33:10 by saying that she saw the boy raised his arm over his head

1:33:14 and closed the night down linked to his father's chest she saw

1:33:18 him do it the wrong way that's right that's absolutely right now

1:33:23 let's talk about this woman for a moment she said she went

1:33:26 to bed around 11:00 o'clock her bed was right next to the window

1:33:29 and while lying down she could see across the tracks

1:33:32 into the boy's bed she tossed and turned for about an hour unable

1:33:36 to fall asleep and then at ten minutes after 12:00 she turned

1:33:40 on the window and saw the killing through the windows of an elevated

1:33:43 train now she said the lights went out immediately following the killing

1:33:47 but that she's got a good look at the boys in the active

1:33:51 stuff in his father now as far as I can see

1:33:53 this is unshakable that's what I mean that's the whole case do you

1:34:00 think how about you I don't know there's so much evidence

1:34:11 to sit you know this is pretty complicated business they I don't see

1:34:15 how you can vote for acquittal well it's not so easy

1:34:18 to arrange the evidence in order oh you can forget all the other

1:34:23 evidence the woman saw do it or else you want me let's

1:34:28 vote on all right now the votes been called for anybody object

1:34:35 I'm changing my moment I think he's guilty all right anybody else

1:34:43 the vote is eight to four and five you consider this important personal

1:34:48 time I'm the competitive type all right well all right I say

1:34:56 we're a hung jury let's take it in to the judge yeah

1:35:00 well I want it now understand that your photos immoral yeah but I

1:35:04 don't anymore all right there are people in this room is so

1:35:06 goddamn stubborn well then we get this thing done well be here

1:35:11 for a week what I want to hear an argument huh I

1:35:14 say we're a hung jury well you're the leader of the cause

1:35:20 what about let's go we went over in an hour Jean Walter Thompson

1:35:28 over here is bouncing back and forth like a tennis ball they

1:35:32 say college is on my knees oh come on what do you

1:35:39 say let's take it to the judge maybe we can talk about

1:35:43 setting some kind of a tiny see the time is steady after six

1:35:49 ten after six someone earlier mentioned

1:35:52 something about seven o'clock perhaps there

1:35:54 would be a time in which we could begin to discuss what

1:35:56 very good excuse me can't you see the clock without your glass

1:36:00 to clearly wide what do you do when you wake up at night

1:36:05 and you want to know what time it is strange question

1:36:08 I put Omega less than look at the clock you don't wear

1:36:10 your glasses to bed when where it's eyeglasses but it's all about

1:36:14 the woman who's essentially stop the killing

1:36:18 wears glasses what she wouldn't warn

1:36:21 him to bed would she wait a minute she wore glasses pizza

1:36:24 of course she did she won't find out they looked white stroke

1:36:29 that drive-by pose I took the wall and did wear glasses so

1:36:37 then it's logical to say that she wasn't wearing this is big while

1:36:40 she was tossing and turning trying to fall asleep how do you

1:36:43 know I don't know I'm just guessing I'm also guessing that she

1:36:48 probably had to have them on which when she actually turned and looked

1:36:52 out the window and she herself said she's been killing heaven just

1:36:56 as she looked out the window and the lights went off

1:36:58 a split second later woman she couldn't have had time to put

1:37:01 on her glasses they got away a second and here's another guest maybe

1:37:06 the woman who earnestly believes that she saw the boy stabbed his father

1:37:09 I say all she saw was a blur just a blur how

1:37:15 do you know what you saw how does he know these things

1:37:17 I only know that the woman's eyesight is in question now

1:37:21 by a person 60 feet away in the dark without glasses you can't send

1:37:27 someone to die from evidence like that don't give me isn't it

1:37:31 possible the woman made a mistake no it's not it's not hot

1:37:36 hello it's not possible is it possible it's possible I say not

1:37:53 you still make the boys guilty yes I think he's guilty but I

1:38:01 couldn't care less you smart bastards do whatever you want to do

1:38:05 how do you vote not guilty you son of a[ __] I

1:38:12 say he's guilty does anyone else don't think he's guilty no I'm

1:38:24 convinced what's the matter with you I now have a reasonable doubt

1:38:31 for what about all the other business what about the knife what

1:38:35 about everything you said because well like all that other evidence 11

1:38:41 to 1 you're alone I don't care if I'm alone or not it's

1:38:48 my right it's your right what do you want I'd say these guilty

1:38:54 we want to hear your car I gave you my argument slower

1:38:58 not convinced we want to hear them again we have as much

1:39:03 time as it takes everything that was said in that court

1:39:10 at all I mean everything says this boy is guilty what think I'm

1:39:15 an idiot you plows a bunch of bleeding hearts you're not

1:39:19 going to intimidate me I'm entitled to my opinion I could stay

1:39:25 in this goddamn room for a year but somebody shakes something the old

1:39:36 me he lived in the mill he heard everything what about the night

1:39:44 so he found one that looked just like it that doesn't prove

1:39:48 anything the old man saw him right there on the stairs what difference

1:39:54 does it make how many seconds it took that proved you didn't

1:39:57 get to the door and died you can step over on this room

1:40:00 are you one that doesn't prove anything everything that was said

1:40:06 in this room today has been twisting and turn to business with the classes

1:40:11 how do you know she didn't have a boy she kissed

1:40:14 the fighting guard what do you want that's it that's the whole

1:40:21 day's hearing the boy yell he said I'm going to kill you-

1:40:29 his father it's a father I don't care what kind of a man

1:40:35 he was it was his father big rock kid I know

1:40:41 what they're like what'd they do to you how they kill you

1:40:44 every day my God why don't you save why am i the LA-

1:40:52 J's jeez I can feel the knife go it's not your boy

1:41:19 he's somebody else I don't lived all right that cute we have

1:42:04 a verdict pronto I think the seats in the jury box [Applause]