Trump Goes to China: The Most Important Trip of his Presidency | Redacted w Clayton Morris

0:00 Welcome everybody.

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0:06 It is Tuesday.

0:06 It is Taco Tuesday and President Trump is headed to China.

0:11 Well, could it be too little, too late?

0:13 And does China have Trump over a barrel?

0:16 Look at what's going on in the bond market today.

0:18 Look at what's happening to mortgage rates right now in the United States.

0:21 And what is happening to US Treasuries being dumped in favor of gold.

0:24 So, what does this mean for the US dollar?

0:27 And you know, it's kind of it just

0:28 seems like President Trump's kind of going there,

0:30 almost like on a begging mission.

0:32 That's what it appears to me.

0:33 Right.

0:34 So, we're going to talk to an expert about that.

0:35 We're also going to talk about this new

0:36 bill to insert a kill switch into your car.

0:39 Now, what this means is that government surveillance and car

0:42 companies can decide if you are fit to drive.

0:45 Now, you might think, "Oh, good.

0:46 We'll get less drunkards on the road."

0:48 But think about it in other situations and how

0:52 dystopic this could be having the government watch

0:54 you drive and deciding when you can do that.

0:57 We're going to talk to Ben Swan about this who's been warning about it.

1:00 Uh we also got a great panel today to discuss

1:02 what's happening with these data and these AI data centers.

1:05 Now, you know, many communities around the country complaining about this low

1:09 hum they're hearing from a mile away, a half a mile away.

1:12 It's this constant hum.

1:13 Well, forget that.

1:14 Now, certain areas in certain parts of the country, in Georgia specifically,

1:19 are taking the homes away from people in favor of eminent domain

1:23 in order to build these massive data AI these AI data centers.

1:27 So, what does the future look like

1:29 in the United States for these massive boondoggle centers.

1:32 Really, really horrible stuff.

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3:22 Well, President Trump is going to China amid a massive trade war with Beijing.

3:26 And you know, it's bad when even Fox News hosts are upset with President Trump.

3:30 Last night, Fox News host Laura Ingraham posted this on X.

3:34 Mr.

3:34 Trump and Xi Jinping are reportedly considering a deal to allow China

3:37 to invest $1 trillion in the US largely to build factories on American soil.

3:42 Trump is on the verge of making a massive error against AIDS' advice.

3:46 Then she posted [snorts] this, which is yet another reason

3:48 why we should not be throwing the CCP a lifeline,

3:51 referring to their sagging economy by giving them access to US manufacturing,

3:55 automobiles, food companies, tech companies, or real estate.

4:00 [snorts] So, on this flight to China, Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple,

4:04 Elon Musk, the CEO of Tesla, uh we've got BlackRock, Blackstone, Visa.

4:09 I mean, you name it.

4:11 Um all of them on this flight to China as part of this um I

4:15 don't know what kind of mission this is right now to meet with Xi Jinping.

4:18 This all comes as the US dollar is collapsing by all accounts.

4:22 BRICS nations led by China and Russia,

4:23 of course, are offering countries another way forward,

4:26 another way to settle transactions outside

4:28 the US reserve currency, the US petrodollar.

4:32 I don't think it's wrong to say, wait, I can be corrected.

4:34 I I like to be corrected,

4:36 but I don't think it's wrong to say this could be the most important

4:38 trip of Trump's presidency as the world is running away from the US dollar.

4:43 Here's economist Peter Schiff yesterday.

4:46 And the world is now pulling the rug out from under the US.

4:49 Dollar's going to collapse.

4:51 The dollar's going to be replaced by gold.

4:53 Central banks are buying gold to back up their currency.

4:56 They're getting rid of dollars.

4:58 They're getting rid of treasuries.

4:59 We are headed for a economic crisis again that will

5:02 make the 2008 financial crisis look like a Sunday school picnic.

5:07 Yeah, look at the Fox News host there trying to cut him cut him off.

5:09 We We can't say the economy's bad.

5:11 President Trump's telling us it's great.

5:13 Our next guest says China has us over a barrel.

5:15 China has America cornered.

5:18 Trump sanctioned them first, imposed tariffs.

5:21 Now he's running to them as this economy is shaky.

5:24 Oh, and it's shaky, by the way.

5:25 Just take a look at the bond market today

5:27 in the Koblisi letter talking about how bad things are getting.

5:29 At the current pace,

5:30 we're likely to see US mortgage rates rising back over 7% this year.

5:35 A lot of questions.

5:36 Steve Hanke is the professor of applied

5:38 economics at the Johns Hopkins University, the author of Making Money Work,

5:42 How to Rewrite the Rules of Our Financial System.

5:45 And Steve joins us now.

5:47 Steve, great to have you on the show.

5:49 Good to be with you, Clayton and Natalie.

5:51 Our pleasure to have you.

5:53 So, you know, we try to go beyond the headlines here and look, you know,

5:57 beyond what sort of CNN and Fox News are sort of showing us at the moment.

6:01 Um and it just seems odd President Trump sort of running to China right now.

6:06 Um how bad is it for the United States and does

6:09 China truly have Trump like over a barrel, so to speak?

6:14 Well, to to use President Trump's one of his favorite lines,

6:18 who's got the cards, you know?

6:20 And Xi clearly has the cards.

6:24 Uh what Trump is in a difficult spot because he's, you know, the tariff man.

6:31 Of course, uh those those tariff city imposed the first round of tariffs.

6:37 Uh the Supreme Court said that they were illegal and now the the second

6:42 try second bite of the apple uh a federal court struck the 10% tariffs down.

6:48 So, he's got problems with tariffs and particularly with regard to China.

6:54 So, you you can more or less forget the tariff threat uh activity

6:59 in Beijing at the meeting that they're going to start on the 14th.

7:04 The other thing is sanctions.

7:06 Now, sanctions are essentially the same in the same family as tariffs.

7:11 They're they're basically acts of war.

7:14 So, sanctions, what about sanctions?

7:18 Well, we a couple weeks ago they put sanctions on five small

7:26 refineries oil oil refineries in uh China and China finally struck back.

7:34 They have a statute a blocking statute they've had on the books since 2021.

7:39 They've never used it.

7:41 And the blocking statute basically said orders Chinese individuals and firms

7:48 to ignore sanctions that are being imposed on them by the United States.

7:52 So, so we've got two two big things there that Trump

7:59 is kind of disarmed about as he goes into the meeting.

8:03 So, that's that's one side of things.

8:07 The other side of things is of course

8:09 the fact that we have depleted our munitions

8:14 or weapons stockpile in the United States due

8:17 to the fact that we've been supplying weapons to Ukraine,

8:20 and also obviously we burned through a lot of weapons in the Iranian war.

8:28 We have to replenish those.

8:30 But to do that, you need critical materials, primarily rare earth uh minerals,

8:38 and who controls over 95% of the rare earths?

8:41 Well, China does.

8:42 So, so basically you're getting into a national security zone

8:46 here where to to replenish weapons that we've burned through,

8:52 we're we're going to have to get permission from Xi.

8:56 So, I I think Trump's basically going to be,

8:59 as they say, tiptoeing through the tulips when he goes into Beijing.

9:03 He's not he's not going to be threatening and at all.

9:08 So, can we What do you make of his traveling companions?

9:13 It's reported he'll be taking with him Elon Musk,

9:16 Tim Cook, Boeing executives, BlackRock, Blackstone, Visa, Qualcomm.

9:22 All of these companies depend heavily on Chinese infrastructure,

9:27 Chinese minerals, as you said.

9:29 So, um you know, he may be walking in flanked by the business

9:33 class that's now desperate to calm the war that he started.

9:38 Well, it it this is very interesting because it it that that would suggest

9:44 that the walls that Trump was trying

9:47 to build between the United States and China,

9:50 the the business community wants those torn down.

9:54 And of course China does too because since

9:59 the administration took office last year and started threatening

10:06 with all the tariffs and increasing sanctions on China

10:10 either primary or secondary sanctions China has been opening up.

10:16 They they've been lifting a page from Adam Smith and the wealth of nations.

10:21 They actually have reduced their tariffs to most African

10:25 countries that they import goods and services from to zero.

10:30 So when you look at BRICS and the global south

10:35 what's what's happened is that China's o- opening up more,

10:38 opening up more and and and more countries are pivoting towards China.

10:44 And if you look at the international perceptions

10:46 index that just came out 2 weeks ago,

10:50 China actually comes with a a net plus score of seven and the United States

10:56 in the last 2 years our perceptions fallen from a plus 22% to a minus seven.

11:06 Huh.

11:05 Excuse me.

11:06 Uh excuse me, a minus 11, not minus seven.

11:09 US is plus you China's plus seven, US is minus 11 now.

11:17 What do you make Steve of of President Trump's but well,

11:22 what Laura Ingraham, Fox News host, posted about Mr.

11:25 Trump and Xi Jinping are reportedly considering

11:27 this deal to allow China to invest

11:29 a trillion dollars in the United States to build factories on American soil.

11:36 She says he's about to make a massive error here.

11:40 Uh and there seems to be quite a few

11:42 mega people who are very upset at this prospect.

11:47 Um what do you make of this?

11:50 Well, I I I'm I I I think this is very consistent with what I just

11:55 told you before that Trump's going to be

11:57 tiptoeing through the tulips when he goes to Beijing.

12:01 He He He is He's not going to be calling the tune.

12:06 He's not going to be running the show.

12:08 The show is going to be running him.

12:11 That That's what's going to happen.

12:13 And as far as investments in the United States and trade goes,

12:18 I I'm as someone who was Ronald Reagan's advisor

12:23 and someone who's a free market economist and a free trader,

12:28 I I think all all of it's better for free trade.

12:31 Get rid of all the sanctions and all the tariffs.

12:34 As far as I'm concerned,

12:36 they've been a disaster and they backfired on the United States.

12:40 Tariffs have been very bad for the United

12:43 States and sanctions have even been worse.

12:46 Mhm.

12:47 And when you look at what what's happening right now with the bond market,

12:50 I know you just released a video

12:51 on bonds specifically and what's going to happen

12:54 here with interest rates in the United States

12:57 and fears of inflation uh sounding the alarm.

13:00 Again, I'll put this up to from the Koblicy

13:01 Letter just a few like about an hour ago.

13:03 The US bond market crisis is intensifying.

13:06 While everyone is focused on AI and the Iran war,

13:09 the US bond market is in a complete meltdown.

13:13 What happens next with bonds?

13:15 What does this mean for the average viewer of our show?

13:18 Well, the average viewer can is going to be facing higher mortgage rates.

13:24 That's the key thing on and higher interest rates on credit that they

13:28 receive from a bit loans they receive from a bank or their credit cards.

13:33 So, it what what we've got, the inflation number just came out this morning.

13:38 It jumped from 3.4% per year to 3.8%.

13:44 That's that's bad news.

13:45 You're not going to get the inflation genie

13:47 back in the bottle in the United States.

13:50 I've been saying this for months and the main

13:53 reason for that is that for the last 18 months,

13:56 the money supply has been accelerating and the money

13:59 supply is the thing that fuels inflation.

14:03 And if it's accelerating,

14:04 you're going to end up with more

14:06 inflation and that's exactly what we're getting.

14:09 The this will be really the Achilles' heel for Trump

14:13 is going to be inflation and the affordability problem.

14:17 Inflation and the affordability problem.

14:20 The 30-year bond went over 5% today.

14:26 Yeah.

14:25 And that that that's bad news.

14:27 The 10% uh the 10-year bond went over 4.4% and the 10-year is the key

14:34 bond that all of all the interest rates

14:37 like mortgages are all geared to the 10-year.

14:41 So, the bond vigila- vigilantes have if woken up,

14:46 they've come out of hibernation.

14:48 This is this is a very big deal because

14:51 everybody's going on and on about the markets going up,

14:54 the markets going up, the markets going up every day.

14:58 We have good news, the market goes up.

15:00 We have bad news, the market goes up.

15:03 What market are they talking about?

15:05 They're talking about the stock market.

15:07 The bond the bond market is is it's been bad

15:11 news for the for the last three or four months,

15:14 particularly after the war started in Iran.

15:22 But do you look at look at that bond market?

15:23 It's it started into trouble once the war started in Iran.

15:29 So, all these things have very negative feedbacks

15:33 and consequences that the administration simply hasn't thought through.

15:38 Yes.

15:39 So, is it then your assertion that the stock market

15:42 is doing well because it's a perversion of belief systems,

15:45 but the bond market is telling the real story?

15:49 Well, I think the bond market always tells the real story.

15:52 But then why is the stock market behaving this way, do you think?

15:57 It's I I think the stock market is behaving this way because we're in a bubble.

16:02 The stock market's been in a bubble for quite a while

16:05 and and there's a there's a stock market mania going on.

16:10 It's the AI mania.

16:12 And and and if if you have a mania going on, no matter what the news is,

16:18 the the market just keeps going up.

16:20 Now, one thing that is interesting, you you if you're in a bubble,

16:25 it's virtually impossible to in to indicate just when the bubble will pop

16:31 or will it will it just dissipate slowly and fizzle out over time.

16:37 We We That's very hard to to determine.

16:41 But, there's one factor that is important

16:45 that usually usually causes bubbles to pop,

16:48 and that's when the monetary policy of the Federal Reserve tightens up.

16:54 And And right now, as I said when when we were talking about inflation,

16:58 it's not tightening up, it's loosening up.

17:01 So, that's that's one reason that it that accommodates the bubble, you see.

17:06 Oh, no.

17:06 You said, "Well, why is the bubble going up?" Okay, we have we have a mania.

17:10 We have the AI mania.

17:12 And that's part of the picture.

17:14 But, the fuel behind it, the liquidity behind it,

17:19 is the money supply accelerating and going up.

17:22 Now, if the monetary authorities decide they've

17:28 had enough of inflation, it's 3.8% now, their target is 2% and if they start

17:34 tightening up from where they are right now,

17:38 then we will see what happens to the bubble.

17:42 And and it and it might pop.

17:44 That's what That's what That's what they usually do

17:47 when when there's a pivot in monetary policy towards tightness,

17:53 stock market bubbles pop.

17:56 Oh, well, one of the smartest guests we've had here,

17:59 Steve Hanke is the served as the economic

18:01 senior economist on President Reagan's Council of Economic Advisers.

18:07 And um you know, I'm just troubled by the fact

18:10 that most like I was talking to Mark Wilburn from Neos Capital.

18:13 He was saying he's seeing very similar very

18:17 a lot of similarities to the dot-com bubble

18:20 with a lot of these stocks going parabolic

18:22 around this AI mania that you're talking about.

18:25 But if the if the Fed continues to to print money and allow this to happen,

18:30 do you think that this AI bubble could continue for another few years?

18:36 Yes, it could.

18:36 But Clayton, you're right you're right on.

18:39 It's that we we had one of these bubbles

18:42 before and you and you put your finger on it.

18:46 And and and when when when did that stop?

18:49 It stopped when when the Fed started tightening up.

18:53 Mhm.

18:53 [clears throat] As these bubbles typically do.

18:56 That That by the way, Clayton,

18:58 that that's the only accurate predictor of when a bubble's

19:02 going to pop is when monetary policy starts tightening up.

19:06 Everything else we we just don't know.

19:09 Yeah.

19:09 That's fascinating.

19:11 Well, Steve, it's been Thank you for gracing us with your presence this morning.

19:14 You you elevated the IQ in the room by being here.

19:17 So, thank you so much for ask one more question?

19:20 I know we have another guest.

19:21 Something that I've been thinking about a lot is that as the AI bubble expands,

19:26 it will replace a large portion of the workforce.

19:30 How is the government going to respond to losing taxpayer slaves?

19:35 And I've seen the World Economic Forum and other financial groups say, "Well,

19:41 we're going to have to start some kind of fund that the working people pay

19:44 into because it will support everyone who

19:47 then is outsourced by AI." Is that doable?

19:50 What do you think How do you think governments

19:52 will respond when the work is done by non-taxpayers?

19:58 Well, I I think the the thing, Natalie,

20:00 that this is a fairly complicated question that you're raising,

20:04 and I think that the common narrative is is is is very misleading.

20:10 AI will displace some workers, but then but the but but then the question is,

20:18 "Well, where are those workers going to go?"

20:20 They'll go other places and do other work.

20:22 So, so if you look at the thing in its totality,

20:27 we we might actually increase the demand for labor.

20:33 Oh.

20:32 Look Look Look at Look at what happened, by the way, with with agriculture.

20:37 At the turn of the last century, agriculture,

20:40 we we had about 45% of the workforce they were on the farm.

20:45 And and now you've got what?

20:47 Two or three percent on the farm.

20:49 Where where where Where did all those farmers go?

20:52 Well, they started doing other things.

20:56 Okay.

20:57 Well, that were more attractive than farming.

21:00 Right.

21:01 Okay, well, we we haven't lived it yet.

21:03 So, I I was really interested in your perspective.

21:05 Thank you so much.

21:06 I said we we said we'd let you go and then um I kept you for longer.

21:09 So, thank you for your time.

21:11 By the way, are are you are you out in Denver?

21:14 We live in Colorado, yeah.

21:17 Well, uh you're you're speaking to someone my my first faculty

21:20 position after I finished my graduate work at the University of Colorado.

21:26 I'm a I'm a buff.

21:28 Oh, yeah.

21:30 I I I was where I I was at the Colorado School of Mines when

21:34 I was 24 years of age and I've

21:36 been following rare earths and minerals ever since.

21:40 Oh, amazing.

21:42 The the world's top mining school in the world is what?

21:46 The Colorado School of Mines.

21:48 Yes.

21:48 And in fact, the high schools here

21:49 train for the engineering programs there as well.

21:53 Yeah, we we've got a high school there.

21:55 First-rate school.

21:58 Yeah.

21:57 Well, and now all of the focus back on rare earths.

22:00 Like it kind of went through its dormant

22:01 period and now the focus is off the charts.

22:05 You're you're speaking to the person that in 1967,

22:09 I taught the first course in mineral economics that was ever taught at Mines.

22:15 Wow.

22:14 Wow, you are really a pioneer.

22:18 Yeah, absolutely.

22:19 Yeah.

22:19 Well, Steve Good to be with you.

22:21 Steve, pleasure pleasure was all ours.

22:23 Thank you so much for lending your expertise

22:25 on this and we'll be watching it closely.

22:26 People can follow your work as always.

22:28 Steve, great to see you here.

22:29 Thank you, Professor.

22:30 Yeah, thanks for having me on.

22:32 Our pleasure.

22:33 Our pleasure.

22:34 All right, coming up on the show,

22:35 from the economy to what's happening with the government and they're

22:40 putting their hands inside of our cars with that kill switch.

22:43 The ability for them to, "Hey, you've been driving too much this month.

22:46 You've used up your carbon footprint too much this month.

22:50 We think that you should have not be able

22:51 to drive cuz you have 10 days left in your month." Right.

22:54 How how far can that go?

22:55 Can it be you were, you know, not nice to your husband,

22:59 so we think you're overly emotional, you can't drive.

23:01 I'd like that.

23:02 No, you wouldn't.

23:03 No, that's a bad thing.

23:04 That's a cautionary tale, Clayton.

23:06 Yeah, you should be able to be a brat to your husband whenever you want.

23:09 [laughter]

23:11 Okay.

23:11 Uh indeed and that's no one no one's stopping that.

23:15 [laughter] Um all right.

23:16 Uh yeah, we're going to talk about that in a moment.

23:18 Plus the government taking land around

23:20 these data and these AI centers data centers.

23:23 Why is this hard for me to say that?

23:24 Data AI centers AI data centers.

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26:39 to accept constant surveillance inside their cars?

26:42 And then what's next?

26:45 Inside other private spaces perhaps?

26:47 Our homes?

26:48 Joining us now is Ben Swan.

26:50 He's an independent investigative journalist and the CEO of Truth in Media.

26:54 He's been reporting on this.

26:55 Nice to see you, Ben.

26:56 Thanks for being here.

26:58 Thanks for having me on, guys.

26:59 Okay, so play out let's let's go all the way dystopia.

27:02 What is the worst that could happen with this?

27:04 Let's just go there.

27:05 there.

27:06 We're already there.

27:07 [laughter] We're here.

27:08 Uh listen, I think if you look at the kill switch bills it's being called,

27:13 the concept is look there's a way if you're driving

27:15 drunk they're going to be sensors all over your car, right?

27:18 It's detecting eye movement,

27:20 it detects whether or not you're falling asleep or you're distracted

27:22 or your eyes don't focus or whether or not you you know,

27:25 your pupils are dilated.

27:27 That's the concept behind it.

27:28 The problem is is that in order to put this into place,

27:32 it requires that you're going to fill the car

27:35 with sensors that are monitoring your heart rate,

27:38 it's monitoring your your pulse,

27:39 it's monitoring again your your eye and your eye movement.

27:43 And once all of those sensors are in place,

27:45 there's nothing in the bill that prevents it

27:46 from being used for a thousand other things.

27:49 And we know for a fact right now that Ford has filed patents

27:52 specifically on AI detection software that essentially

27:56 is going to be able to monitor

27:58 whether or not you seem to be distracted or whether or not you're

28:01 looking away for too long or whether you're looking down possibly at a phone.

28:05 already asked for patents on a bunch of this different kind of software

28:09 that would be able to monitor you in in the a myriad of ways.

28:12 Look, we all are smart enough here to understand and I

28:15 think your your viewers are as well that just because

28:19 something is introduced into a piece of technology does not

28:22 mean that it's required to be only used for one thing.

28:25 And so there's no question that at some point insurance companies will want

28:29 to use this the car companies and even the government itself will want

28:33 to use this to determine whether or not driving is a privilege and not

28:36 a right in their minds and whether or not you can be punished.

28:39 No, not if your wife is bothering you so so much,

28:42 [snorts] but how about if you're late

28:43 on your taxes and you haven't paid your taxes?

28:45 Or what about the fact that if you

28:48 um you know parking tickets that you haven't paid,

28:50 they're able to look at your car and say, "You know what?

28:51 We're going to disable the vehicle so you can't drive." There

28:54 are a lot of different ways that that can be used,

28:56 and I think that we're expecting to see I'm expecting to see

28:58 uh in the very near future it being used in that way.

29:01 Well, Ben, I Here's one thing.

29:03 I trust these companies to to to keep this data private.

29:07 Um I think that they're going to be really good stewards of our data.

29:10 They're not going to share this with any government entities,

29:12 nothing like a backdoor access like Facebook had,

29:16 uh or that the you know the the CIA has with Facebook or Twitter.

29:20 So, I I'm fine.

29:21 I'm sure these companies will keep our data safe and secure,

29:24 and it's just to make sure that we're safe on the road.

29:26 It's all about our safety, Ben.

29:29 It's all about safety, right?

29:30 It's all about making sure that we do not have drunk drivers on the road.

29:33 The funny thing is this about the drunk driving part of it.

29:36 There are already breathalyzers that are attached

29:38 to vehicles for people who have been convicted

29:41 of drunk driving where they have to breathe

29:43 into that breathalyzer before the car will start.

29:46 If it was really about drunk driving, why not just make that the mandate?

29:50 Every car has to have a breathalyzer attached to it,

29:52 and you have to breathe into the breathalyzer before the car starts.

29:55 Now, I wouldn't agree with that.

29:56 I still think that's a a violation of people's civil liberties,

29:58 but it makes more sense if your actual agenda here is to prevent drunk driving.

30:05 Just attach breathalyzers to every car.

30:07 But instead, actually,

30:08 there's nothing about this bill that prevents specifically drunk driving.

30:12 Nothing about the bill prevents you from getting

30:14 behind the wheel and and duping the system.

30:17 But one of the concerns that some people have,

30:19 and we've seen a lot of videos online about people by people

30:21 about this, is the fact that there's no guarantee that the vehicle

30:27 will properly diagnose whether or not someone is inebriated or whether

30:32 or not it might it might be a hundred other things.

30:34 Is your heart rate too high or up because

30:37 you just witnessed something or you're being chased by someone,

30:39 and the car won't start because you're it's a danger

30:42 for you to drive [clears throat] in this state.

30:44 We don't know.

30:45 Um and and and who knows, you know,

30:47 how this will will impact ultimately, but we know this.

30:49 We know that if you use any AI programming right now, AI is not without flaws.

30:54 It does not read things correctly.

30:57 Um and it it makes determinations that may not be accurate.

31:00 So, enabling vehicles with technology that that disable it or make it in unable

31:07 to function or start based on kind of a strange set of categories,

31:13 it seems like not only problematic, but again,

31:16 at the end of the day, whose car is it?

31:18 Is it your car or is it the government's car?

31:21 let's be honest, it's all about control.

31:22 To back to your point about not paid your taxes, it's all about control.

31:26 It's about they don't want us on the road.

31:27 They want us they wanted to control They wanted to control us.

31:31 They want to control our movements and they want

31:34 to have and they want to have surveillance of it.

31:35 Look at all these flocking cameras that are popping up everywhere.

31:38 This is all about surveillance and control.

31:40 Well, let me just play a bit of devil's advocate because,

31:43 you know, I'm a mom of three.

31:45 There's nothing I wouldn't do to keep drunk drivers off the road,

31:49 but I I also know that the data shows that drivers who drive while

31:53 they're tired are equally as dangerous

31:56 and this is not an this doesn't address that.

31:59 And I also understand that usually it's not

32:02 the government that will solve problems like this.

32:04 So, when you think about, you know, okay, how do we actually make driving safer?

32:10 It seems that the private market is actually addressing that quite

32:14 adequately because every generation of cars is safer than the last.

32:19 What do you think of that?

32:21 No, I think that's absolutely true, but again,

32:23 the question is, so if it's just the private market,

32:25 there would be an argument to be made for well,

32:28 private companies may say, well, we want to do this, right?

32:30 We want to install sensors and cameras all over your vehicle.

32:33 We want to be able to remotely disable it.

32:35 I mean, Tesla can already do that.

32:38 Um many of the the electric vehicles can already do that.

32:41 So, is it a question of to me

32:44 of whether or not it's just a private market solution,

32:47 or is it a question of of fundamentally who owns what property, right?

32:52 If I buy a car, I pay off that car, I should have the right to drive that car.

32:56 If I drive that car drunk, and I'm caught doing that, I go to jail.

33:01 That's the consequence for breaking the law.

33:04 But, the problem is cuz we're slipping

33:05 into this kind of fake dystopian pre-crime concept,

33:10 which is we're going to catch you before you do it.

33:13 And the problem with with any kind of pre-crime concept,

33:17 just watch Minority Report, is that it's not always accurate,

33:20 first of all, but secondarily, not only is it not necessarily accurate,

33:25 but then it spreads into so many other categories.

33:28 And the thing is it's very easy to make the argument,

33:31 because this is what politicians do, right?

33:33 They always make some argument based on some, "Well, we want to stop drunk.

33:36 Don't you want to stop drunk drivers?

33:38 Don't you want to protect the kids?

33:40 Can we just save the kids?" And that's always the concept, right?

33:43 Oh, yeah, it sounds great.

33:45 But, the truth is, at the end of the day, when this technology is is instituted,

33:50 and it's supposed to start in every new car made after 2026,

33:55 I would be willing to say in the next 5 years you probably

33:57 won't even see a decrease in the number of drunk drivers on the road.

34:01 Because, first of all, if you're going to drive drunk,

34:03 you just won't drive one of these vehicles.

34:04 It doesn't retrofit every car that's out there.

34:07 All it does is create surveillance on every

34:09 new car that's being designed and being made.

34:12 Yeah, and it's usually the people that are not doing those things,

34:16 you know, it's like the gun owners can't They they get punished for it

34:20 Clay thinks that we won't see humans driving in the span of a decade,

34:25 because insurance companies are already incentivizing you to use

34:29 full self-driving on as many cars as they want.

34:32 You're getting discounts from it.

34:33 There's a new program called Lemonade that [clears throat] gives

34:36 you money back for as much as you don't drive.

34:38 Um Yeah.

34:39 Yeah, it's 50% discounts.

34:41 So, it's like already being baked in and encouraged.

34:44 Like we [clears throat] Well, it's you know,

34:45 these full self-driving cars are like 8 to 10 times safer than you.

34:50 And so, and insurance companies are already pushing people in that direction.

34:53 So, I I think in like a decade, you're going to see very few human beings once

34:58 the new cars are really fully on the roads.

35:00 You're going to see very few human beings driving anymore.

35:03 It's going to be crazy.

35:05 I think that's true.

35:06 You know, down here in in Miami, if you go around downtown,

35:10 Brickell, any of those areas, it's all Waymo, right?

35:12 It's all those They have all the cameras, you know, hooked up around them.

35:15 And and pretty soon, I would agree with you, probably within a decade,

35:19 a lot of these, you know, Uber gig jobs won't even exist anymore, right?

35:25 Cuz it'll all have gone to the robots.

35:27 And even if you look at Tesla vehicles,

35:28 there are a few people who own Teslas with the self-driving feature.

35:31 They just sit in the car and it and it drives for them.

35:33 And it, you know, it ultimately determines

35:36 the time they're getting to where they're going.

35:38 So, you know, to me, the the the right to travel

35:41 and that that freedom is such a fundamental American right.

35:45 And I think we take it terribly for granted.

35:47 You look at other countries around the world where,

35:49 you know, you have to have papers to travel.

35:51 We saw that in the past in the Soviet Union and the and in many

35:54 places in Eastern Europe where that kind of control wasn't that long ago,

35:59 just a few decades ago that this existed.

36:01 And I think we're fast losing that.

36:03 And they're going to call it safety and they'll try to price it out.

36:06 And I guess, Natalie,

36:06 this would be my criticism of the private market is that the private

36:10 market has the ability to also couple

36:13 with government to eliminate things like that.

36:15 By saying, "Well, it's better for insurance companies." Well,

36:17 the car companies like it better.

36:18 Well, the car manufacturers like it better.

36:20 And if all the private market kind of colludes together to eliminate

36:24 this ability for you to drive and prices you out of the market,

36:27 um they can do so pretty easily.

36:30 Yeah.

36:30 Well, this is where capitalism can come in, right?

36:32 You have car manufacturers that'll run put commercials out there be like,

36:35 "We think you should be able to drive." You know,

36:38 come over here come over here to Clayton's Car Company where you get to drive.

36:42 The the problem I have the hang-up in all of this is is if I'm not driving,

36:46 why am I paying insurance?

36:48 Let the Let the Let Tesla pay the insurance.

36:50 What the hell?

36:51 I'm not doing anything.

36:52 Tesla does have their own insurance.

36:53 Well, Tesla has their own insurance.

36:54 And so they almost So our insurance companies you'd think insurance

36:57 companies would be like, "Wait a second.

36:59 You [laughter] know, like maybe we don't want this." Oh, boy.

37:02 Well, it's the same thing like why, you know,

37:04 flow of oil has just happened and now gas prices are still staying high.

37:08 Like something's going on here.

37:09 We're being price gouged.

37:11 Ben Swan, uh great to see you.

37:12 We know you have to run.

37:13 Thank you so much for staying on top of this story.

37:15 We'll be watching it closely here.

37:17 And Thomas Massie once again fighting the good

37:19 fight to try to protect civil liberties,

37:21 but in the end, you know, big money wins out in all of this.

37:25 Ben, great to see you as always.

37:26 Thanks Thank you.

37:27 All right.

37:28 All right.

37:29 Coming up, we're going to talk about AI data

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37:38 of putting in these AI data centers because what?

37:42 Because of national security?

37:43 Because these things are just like getting on a highway and they need to put

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40:46 And get in your questions now about these AI data centers.

40:49 We got two great guests we're going to talk to about this in a little panel

40:52 discussion here because we keep hearing the hue

40:54 and cry more and more people complaining about this.

40:57 People who live in communities around the country

40:59 are now complaining about this low hum,

41:01 this buzzing noise of these massive massive AI

41:05 data centers that are being built near their homes.

41:07 Take a listen.

41:16 I would go insane.

41:17 I would go insane.

41:18 Can you imagine that?

41:20 Well, it's kind of like a white noise machine.

41:22 But not nonstop constantly.

41:23 Can't even hear the birds?

41:24 Like you'd just be hearing this low hum.

41:26 I just feel like anxiety about what possible radiation

41:29 I may have exposed myself to just listening to this.

41:32 That, yeah, I don't know.

41:33 But your hearing is not the best

41:34 in the world so you probably wouldn't even notice it.

41:36 But rude and unnecessary.

41:38 But true.

41:39 But the noise is one thing.

41:40 Now governments are being accused of state governments and local power

41:44 companies are being accused of seizing land as part of eminent domain.

41:48 Yes, people's homes in order to tear them down, build large data centers.

41:53 Here's one Georgia resident who went viral this week saying

41:56 her home is about to be taken for an AI data center.

41:59 Watch.

42:00 Hey you guys, my name's Ansley.

42:02 I live in Coweta County, Georgia.

42:04 I wanted to come out here and show you

42:06 guys first hand what is happening to our county.

42:09 So as you can see behind me, we have these power lines.

42:12 Georgia Power is going to expand these lines

42:15 to support power to the data center.

42:17 What they're doing to homeowners is they're taking their homes.

42:21 This is my childhood home behind me.

42:23 It is being taken by force by Georgia Power.

42:26 Homeowners in this county do not have a choice.

42:29 It is called eminent domain and they will take it.

42:34 Unbelievable.

42:34 Austin Steinbart is a social engineer, founder of the Quantum Party of America.

42:38 Shannon Joy is an independent commentator and host

42:41 of the Shannon Joy Show and they both join us now.

42:44 Great to see both of you.

42:45 Thank you for being here again.

42:48 Thanks for having me.

42:48 me, Clayton.

42:49 Our pleasure, Shannon.

42:50 I want to start with you on the local

42:52 communities piece of this and this displacement of families.

42:55 Can they do this?

42:56 I I mean, you hear about governments taking homes

42:59 for the expansion of highways or to put in a reservoir, but now AI data centers?

43:06 Well, there's been an an expansion of the use

43:08 of eminent domain when Donald Trump signed the executive order.

43:12 I think it was an emergency authori- authorization.

43:14 He declared an emergency in regards to the art- the artificial intelligence arms

43:21 race and I think that that has opened up a lot of doors.

43:24 I mean, there are a variety of ways

43:27 for these corporations that are tethered to the federal

43:30 government and to the powerful class to come

43:33 in and make a justification for seizing land.

43:37 I haven't seen any- anything as blatant as what

43:41 you guys have just played there in in that clip,

43:44 but it doesn't surprise me at all.

43:46 The the use of eminent domain has expanded uh over the past 20-30

43:52 years and Donald Trump was actually

43:54 notorious for even before he became president,

43:58 when he was a real estate developer,

43:59 he was notorious for aligning with governments to force

44:03 people off of their property using uh you know,

44:06 the justification of eminent domain.

44:08 So, this doesn't surprise me at all and they probably have a variety

44:12 of tools in their toolbox to shove people off of their land.

44:15 It's pretty grotesque.

44:17 I mean, Austin, this sounds like I mean,

44:18 the idea of it being sort of like

44:20 a national secure This is for national security.

44:23 We need these AI data centers.

44:24 That's That's really what they're almost like what they're saying here.

44:28 And that's the difficult part for local residents who are going to voicing

44:32 their concerns is because once there becomes a national security thing on it,

44:37 they can kind of just truck right through.

44:39 The other thing that's happening, the other thing that's being talked about

44:43 in the tech community here is they're pushing this idea

44:46 that these people who are objecting to this that they're

44:49 being funded by some kind of other power.

44:51 They're hinting that it's a foreign power.

44:53 And in the past, they've used that silence activists, right?

44:57 They'll get one person in there who's a nefarious character

44:59 and they'll use that to slap a foreign designation on them, right?

45:03 They're a Russian agent, they're a Chinese agent.

45:05 And then FBI can just the the legal doors open

45:08 for them to just come in and destroy that movement.

45:12 And remember, Donald Trump used this tactic

45:14 and technique in the lockdowns of 2020.

45:17 It was the emergency declaration and the fact that it was a military

45:21 operation that was deployed to lock us down in 2020 that opened the door

45:26 to all of the abuses and the liability

45:29 protection that practitioners had in hospitals

45:32 and nursing homes when they used COVID

45:34 recommended protocols that came from the federal government.

45:37 Not only were they reimbursed for those protocols

45:39 to the tunes of hundreds of millions of dollars,

45:42 they enjoyed liability protection for any of the countermeasures,

45:45 including the COVID shots, which have maimed and killed so many.

45:49 But no one is being held accountable because of the emergency declaration.

45:52 So, it's no It's no surprise to me that Donald Trump

45:56 has deployed this exact same tactic again to unleash these horrifying,

46:01 grotesque, monstrous data centers across this country

46:05 on every American with no recourse whatsoever.

46:07 It's disgusting.

46:09 And I'm specifically curious about the bedfellowship

46:12 between private enterprise and the government.

46:15 And what do you think this tells us about the you know,

46:19 what we often refer to as the technocracy?

46:22 I'll let either of you respond to that.

46:26 Why don't you go ahead for I I I said I don't want to Yeah,

46:29 that could go on but go you can you start.

46:34 So, the military-industrial complex and the intelligence community,

46:37 the covert aspects of it in the past have been organized

46:40 around the kind of what I call the satanic bankster wing.

46:42 And right now we are moving into the like breakaway tech bro wing.

46:47 So, the fact that that is the the the power,

46:51 the most potent power of the military and the intelligence

46:54 services comes from this wing of these tech oligarchs.

46:58 So, it's becomes a very difficult thing to push back against once that happens.

47:03 Absolutely.

47:03 And it was it was very evident in the summer of 2024 when Donald Trump,

47:09 you know, when Bobby Kennedy Jr.

47:11 aligned with Donald Trump, you know,

47:12 in those months it was it was very obvious that that big tech,

47:17 Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Palantir, Oracle, Google,

47:22 they were all aligning around the president.

47:25 And I reported to my audience at the time that it was clear

47:27 to me that that the tech oligarchs

47:29 or the technofascists had purchased Trump's presidency.

47:33 They pushed him over the finish line, they put him and installed him in office.

47:38 They dumped millions and millions of dollars into his campaign.

47:42 And we knew, at least from my perspective,

47:44 we knew even before he got into office that he was going to be

47:48 a handmaiden for them and a Trojan

47:50 horse for the technofascism that we're seeing now.

47:53 They're literally on a flight with him right now to China.

47:55 I mean, the head of Blackstone, Blackrock,

47:59 Visa, Oracle, I think Larry Ellison was there.

48:03 Elon Musk is there, Tim Cook,

48:05 they're I think even Zuckerberg, right, is on there.

48:09 Blackstone, Qualcomm.

48:10 They're all on the flight with him right now to to China right now.

48:13 He's their puppet.

48:15 Yeah.

48:15 I mean, Austin, one of the things you've talked about is this decentralization.

48:18 And I've seen this pop up on social media over the past week actually.

48:21 And I thought, well, what is what is this about?

48:23 And this idea that instead of these massive data centers,

48:27 there's a company that's popped up that is now

48:30 sort of partnering with I think local power companies,

48:32 you can correct me if I'm wrong,

48:34 where homeowners can like almost put like one of those like

48:38 Mitsubishi style air compressors on the outside of their house.

48:43 And it's a small node that will power these data centers,

48:47 but it will be decentralized.

48:49 And so, like, if you have a neighborhood

48:51 of 50 homes instead of having one giant data center,

48:55 those 50 homes would have these small like air compressor AC

48:58 units on the side of their homes processing the data centers.

49:03 Um Doesn't that sound like the Matrix?

49:05 I know it it scares me.

49:06 I mean, I they're selling it, Austin, as this idea,

49:09 I don't know if you like it or not,

49:10 but this idea that hey, we're we'll also pay your power bill.

49:14 Like that's we're going to we'll pay

49:15 your internet and we'll pay your power bill.

49:18 Just let this let us stick this thing on the side of your house.

49:20 Where do you come down on that?

49:23 Uh well, I think the particular way they're

49:26 packaging this, I think the particular company that's

49:30 doing this, it's Span and Nvidia and Dell

49:33 and some other people aggregating into this thing.

49:35 I think the particular way they're doing it is

49:38 not necessarily a very good deal for the homeowner.

49:40 You It's a big thing out on your front lawn.

49:43 It has to be liquid cooled in their model.

49:45 So, it requires regular maintenance.

49:48 And the economic benefits that [snorts] are they are reaping from that versus

49:54 the economic benefits that they're giving you isn't really a good deal.

49:59 They're you know, they could make 200,000 to 400,000

50:02 a year generating revenue off of that one box

50:05 and they're offering to give the homeowner we'll give you

50:07 free Wi-Fi and we'll pay part of your power bill.

50:11 So this is seems like a panic play of them to to move

50:16 it to a decentralized situation but I I so I will

50:20 say I don't like that model but I think the the decentralization

50:24 model in general is something that we should absolutely take a look at.

50:28 So with these data centers there's a few main concerns, right?

50:31 There's the the power concerns, there's the water concerns,

50:34 there's the noise and radiation concerns and then there to me the most important

50:40 concern I have is the consolidation

50:42 of all economic and political power on Earth.

50:46 So so I think that is the at least from where I'm

50:51 sitting the top priority and so what do we do about that?

50:54 How do we push back?

50:55 If they're building this massive machine, how do we push back against that?

50:58 So I think we need decentralized compute not in the way

51:01 that they're doing it but we need to add

51:04 some stuff to our constitution the the right to decentralized

51:08 compute and the right to run your own open source models.

51:12 Open source isn't something that you goes to a big main brain at a company.

51:16 It's something you could run on computers

51:17 at your house and you could tweak the model weights.

51:20 So how it thinks, how it processes,

51:22 you could adjust that and you could circumvent these woke safety layers.

51:26 Right right now we have a Republican in office

51:29 and so they're not going as hard on these woke

51:31 safe the safety layers the thing that takes

51:35 the answer the AI would give you and it says,

51:36 okay, if it's going to give you this answer

51:39 that is something that it goes against the priorities

51:41 of the day then transfer this over here

51:44 to this mental gymnastics matrix and serve that to you instead.

51:47 Kind of like what they are doing with the trans stuff,

51:49 kind of like what they are doing um with a lot of the other issues.

51:52 So so we in in my mind and I I come from I used to be a data center engineer.

51:58 Um I look at the right to have your own open source compute as essentially

52:03 the only way that ordinary people can

52:05 push back on this uh centralized machine here.

52:09 Um to me it's like the 21st century second amendment.

52:13 Um cuz cuz think about it.

52:14 What if just one brain and one computer controls everything?

52:17 Um if if that's the case then all political

52:20 and economic power is getting consolidated in one space.

52:23 So so I have a different model here and um obviously

52:27 on the model that they're they're floating here that that is floating,

52:30 "Hey, we're going to take those machines and instead

52:33 of putting them all together on the grid over there,

52:35 we're going to decentralize them,

52:37 but we're going to still put them on the grid."

52:39 Uh so I'm I'm working with a group right now.

52:41 Um we're bringing out uh this thing called quantum energy.

52:45 Uh a lot of people there's a lot of uh talk on the internet about, you know,

52:50 the Tesla model zero point um like the idea you can open up

52:54 a portal to this other dimension in the universe and harvest unlimited energy.

52:59 Uh so we're going to be bringing out uh concept that could do that this year.

53:03 We're uh taking it to mass market.

53:06 And um that is one of the things that I would

53:08 take for decentralized compute to make sense cuz obviously a regular person,

53:11 if you run, you know, uh few servers at your house,

53:15 um it you it's going to cost you thousands of dollars a month in power.

53:19 Uh so so to make a decentralized compute model viable,

53:23 you need two main two main advancements.

53:26 One of them is energy and we're going to be taking care of that.

53:30 We can uh have a box that you can put on your house

53:33 that you can just pull unlimited energy out of the ether.

53:35 You buy it one time and now you have no power bills ever again.

53:37 The other thing that they need is cooling, right?

53:39 So the that really treacherous noise that you hear,

53:42 a lot of that is from the cooling systems.

53:44 A lot of the water that they're drawing is from the cooling systems.

53:47 So, there's this other new innovation that's coming out.

53:50 It's this uh molecular air beam technology that can essentially

53:54 channel air particles the same way a laser channel channels photons.

53:59 And it's so it's this really super uh novel and cool way to cool computers.

54:05 Uh so so we would like to say right,

54:08 instead of everything centralizing into one thing, and then uh you know,

54:12 consolidating all economic and political power on Earth,

54:14 that every single person they have their own energy

54:17 unit and their own mini data center at their house.

54:20 And um we could put it in a case, right,

54:22 that where it's not this incredibly loud treacherous noise like that.

54:26 That would be unbelievably irritating to me,

54:28 and I'm sure it's all to all the animals, too.

54:30 Uh it could be in a uh EMF shielded container.

54:34 Um it would take no extra power drawn off your house.

54:37 And what that would do would be two things.

54:40 One of them, it would give you the ability to run your own open-source compute.

54:44 Um cuz if you think about it,

54:45 uh like the idea of using AI to like consolidate laws or to do

54:49 a lot of uh the complicated things that our government really needs right now,

54:53 in theory that sounds nice.

54:55 But if it's done in a in a centralized way

54:59 um it's good it's it's a artificial neural net, right?

55:02 So, it's going to take the priorities, right?

55:04 Okay, who's the most important oligarchs?

55:06 Who's the most important industries?

55:08 And it's going to prioritize those people at the top and kind of uh put

55:11 everybody else's interests aside in the same

55:13 way that the politicians are doing right now.

55:15 So, if everybody has their own compute right,

55:17 and that compute is is advocating for your interests,

55:21 right now all of a sudden it's not

55:23 just turbocharging the centralization that we have now,

55:26 it's decentralizing that power.

55:28 Uh so, that's from a political power, that's one thing.

55:31 Um and the second thing is right now those data centers,

55:35 right, they're are taking, right,

55:37 that that is going to The AI is going to swallow huge portions of the economy.

55:41 And so, when it does that, like, what do regular people do if it's going to put,

55:46 you know, how like 50% of the country out of work?

55:49 Uh so, what this would do is it would allow you to, when you're not using it,

55:52 which would be most of the time, contribute that power and that compute

55:55 in a in a aggregated way towards these frontier models,

55:58 and it would allow the homeowner to reap the benefits of that.

56:01 So, I have a post on my Twitter or about my X.

56:05 Excuse me, I still I still mess that up.

56:08 Um Me, too.

56:09 But, it's actually doing doing the math out on this.

56:11 So, where a homeowner could buy a unit one time,

56:14 instead of having them pay for everything,

56:16 um like the homeowner would pay for it.

56:18 So, so you could either get financing or you could uh pay for it out of pocket.

56:22 It would cost about $300,000, and it would make $200,000 to $400,000 a year.

56:27 So, um even if you went and got

56:29 a zero-down loan for at a ridiculous interest rate,

56:33 um which, you know, obviously our interest rates are pretty high right now.

56:36 So, I was trying to be realistic in the calculation here.

56:38 Um between you could net between what you could make and what that would cost,

56:43 even with the payments on that thing, you could net $4,000 to $16,000 a month.

56:47 And so, think about that.

56:49 Think about every single person um the you know,

56:52 suburban home that wanted to be able to participate in the future,

56:55 that wanted to have instead of AI being

56:56 this dystopian thing that's consolidating all power and finances,

57:00 have it be something that everybody could participate

57:02 in, and can kind of lend lend that compute towards that.

57:06 You could make uh even if with with no money down,

57:08 you could make $4,000 to $16,000 a month.

57:11 And if you were to buy the unit outright,

57:13 you could make, you know, $15,000 to $25,000 a month.

57:16 That's That's the economics on that.

57:18 So, that would allow everybody to share

57:19 in the economic benefit that this is creating.

57:22 And what else that would do is if they created some

57:24 kind of nightmare artificial superintelligence

57:27 that is going around wreaking havoc, you know, like like Skynet style,

57:31 that would that would put everybody collectively, right?

57:35 They would have a piece of that compute that we could just turn

57:37 our machine off and now that the brain uh is pushed back on.

57:43 The brain isn't out there just roaming free.

57:45 So, it it would be a way to completely

57:46 change the power dynamics of this whole situation here.

57:49 So exceedingly practical.

57:51 Like, I feel like a lot of times

57:53 on this show we sort of complain and then you're like,

57:55 "Well, let's try this." I love that.

57:57 Shannon, would you I mean, do you think the politicians,

57:59 the powers that be whatever let this roll out?

58:01 Would they be able to Would they be able to stop it, do you think?

58:04 I mean, they're going to go to great

58:05 lengths to consolidate power to what Austin is saying.

58:09 Well, I guess that's the big question.

58:10 I really love your vision of decentralized power,

58:15 of allowing Americans to essentially become almost like homesteaders.

58:19 I I think that that could be a way for the right,

58:24 you know, regular people to decouple

58:27 from the system or emancipate from the system.

58:29 The question is, are they going to allow us to emancipate?

58:33 And the answer is no, unless we fight back and unless we organize.

58:38 And so, I think what Austin is laying out is a really great alternative

58:42 that people can accept and people can decide

58:45 whether or not they want to participate in.

58:47 From my perspective, I use a little bit of AI,

58:50 but I have largely found it to be wanting in a lot of ways.

58:54 And I think that there's also a movement across the United States

58:57 of America and the world of people

58:59 actually rejecting technology in certain aspects.

59:02 They don't want the Big Brother surveillance cars.

59:05 They don't want the Big Brother surveillance appliances.

59:08 They don't want the government to collect all of our information.

59:11 They don't want AI running courts and they

59:14 don't want AI doctors and AI hospitals.

59:17 They don't want AI determining who is elected,

59:20 the politicians that are elected, or whether we even have elections.

59:23 They don't want AI governing.

59:25 And so, there is going to be a resistance

59:27 and I think it is natural and normal and actually healthy.

59:30 Without actually throwing away artificial intelligence,

59:34 we can use it for some things.

59:35 Without throwing away technology,

59:37 we also have to make sure that we throw away

59:40 the types of technology and AI that are not good for humans.

59:44 And so we're seeing there are trends.

59:46 I report on these on my show every single

59:49 week of people who are saying, "You know what?

59:51 This is more trouble than it's worth.

59:53 We don't want what they are cooking up

59:56 for us." And they do have an an ambitious agenda.

59:59 Like first we have to stop the technocracy, the techno-fascists.

1:00:03 They have committed a coup d'état.

1:00:05 They have taken over our government.

1:00:07 It was never more clear than when Elon Musk went in under the guise

1:00:11 of Doge and sucked up millions of if

1:00:15 not trillions of data points of every American.

1:00:17 They went into Social Security,

1:00:18 the Treasury Department, Health and Human Services,

1:00:21 and and literally vacuumed up trillions of dollars worth of private information.

1:00:28 Donald Trump handed that on a silver platter to Elon Musk.

1:00:32 It's why they're not fighting anymore and they

1:00:33 were never really fighting to begin with.

1:00:35 But our job, I mean they the reason they need these massive data centers is so

1:00:40 that they can absolutely suppress and control and destroy

1:00:45 humanity and do with humanity what they want.

1:00:48 So they want the robot police and the drone surveillance.

1:00:50 They want the bio-surveillance.

1:00:52 They want the tokenization of every living thing

1:00:55 and every object on the face of the planet.

1:00:58 They want all of your data from the moment of birth until your natural death.

1:01:03 They want the digital ID, the the you know, digital currency.

1:01:08 So all of that needs a lot of compute.

1:01:10 They need to process all of that so that they can use that and deploy

1:01:13 it back on you so that they can surveil you and set up the 15-minute cities.

1:01:18 They want all of the AI automation and I'm telling you I don't want any of it.

1:01:24 I want total decentralization.

1:01:25 So, I think that Austin's his ideas are fantastic.

1:01:29 We should start with local governments,

1:01:31 local municipalities, your township, your village.

1:01:35 I mean, people now if they're not organizing at the local level from every

1:01:39 corner of this country to get to their town board meetings and smash these.

1:01:44 And by the way, these data centers 50% of them

1:01:48 have already been completely canceled or delayed because of local pushback.

1:01:54 So, the idea that this is inevitable, that resistance is futile,

1:01:59 this is what Elon Musk and Peter Thiel and they

1:02:01 would all like you to think that this is just inevitable.

1:02:04 That's absolutely false.

1:02:06 We can move into the 21st century with reasonable

1:02:10 amounts of technology and reject all of the rest.

1:02:13 And I think that's the discussion that needs to happen in this country.

1:02:16 And I think it's going to happen because people are freaked out by all of it.

1:02:20 They think it's creepy, and I agree.

1:02:22 Do you think Shannon at at the heart of it is this a depopulation agenda?

1:02:26 This is agenda 2030.

1:02:29 If they want, I mean, they see us as the herd.

1:02:31 Imagine Imagine the people who run things.

1:02:33 They view populations the same way an exterminator would

1:02:37 view cockroaches or a farmer would view a livestock.

1:02:41 If we're useful, they'll keep us alive.

1:02:43 If we're doing what they're told within the, you know,

1:02:45 corralled into whatever system they want us in, then

1:02:49 they'll let us hang around for a little while.

1:02:51 But if they want to cull us, they will cull us.

1:02:53 If they want to vaccinate us, they will vaccinate us if they can, right?

1:02:58 And that is their dream.

1:02:59 So, I think the idea of, you know, mass depopulation maybe.

1:03:03 I mean, these guys, they're creepy.

1:03:05 They all look crazy.

1:03:07 I mean, Peter Thiel looks like death warmed over.

1:03:09 He looks like a demon already.

1:03:11 I don't even know why we allow these people into these positions of power.

1:03:16 They're weird, okay?

1:03:19 [laughter] And they have a lot of And they have horrible halitosis.

1:03:21 I can tell you just standing next to god.

1:03:24 [laughter] I'm just going to share this with

1:03:25 much money, too much time, they have a god complex,

1:03:28 and they're running amok, and we need to stop them.

1:03:33 [laughter] So So, I run this organization Quant to Party,

1:03:35 and that's kind of the the idea of that is uh everybody goes independent,

1:03:40 and then we can pull from all sides,

1:03:42 and we can kind of have a realistic conversation about where this is going,

1:03:45 and how we're going to orient it in a way that that takes care of everybody.

1:03:51 So, we want decentralized AI.

1:03:53 Uh we want to make it a hard-set legal principle,

1:03:56 like constitutionally embedded,

1:03:58 that all of the data we generate is constitutionally our intellectual property.

1:04:02 And so, every time it's touched, that they have to pay us royalties.

1:04:06 And so, I see that as with this surveillance state,

1:04:10 I don't see there to be like a very good way to push back against

1:04:14 it besides to make it prohibitively expensive

1:04:16 for them to do these dragnet on us, right?

1:04:17 If If they had to pay us royalties every single time that it touched our data,

1:04:21 whether that's the FBI, the NSA, whether it's Google, whether it's whoever,

1:04:26 uh then all of the sudden it would

1:04:27 get prohibitively expensive for them to do that.

1:04:29 Uh obviously, we we have this amazing window.

1:04:32 I think the the Israel situation has kind of caused some

1:04:35 of the left and right to drift together around uh baseline of anti-war.

1:04:39 And I think this AI stuff will continue to bring the left and right together.

1:04:43 So, if we can generate a massive movement that is like tech-focused, right?

1:04:48 What is the world about to look like,

1:04:49 and how do we make that an acceptable place for regular people?

1:04:53 Uh that's kind of what the Quant to Party is all about.

1:04:55 We're all about decentralization,

1:04:57 and and how do we orient this technological world

1:05:00 that we're going into uh to serve the people,

1:05:02 and have it be a rising tide that lifts all ships, and and have it also,

1:05:06 importantly, have it be something that you can opt out of, right?

1:05:09 If If you don't want to be a part

1:05:10 of that, you should not be dragged into that kicking and screaming.

1:05:14 Uh I I I uh going to ask you that.

1:05:16 That was going to be my question to you.

1:05:18 There has to be that option.

1:05:19 You know, I live in Upstate New York, Finger Lakes region of New York,

1:05:22 and uh heavy heavy Amish and Mennonite populations up here.

1:05:26 And so, we have the farmers markets, and you know,

1:05:29 every so often we'll go, and you know,

1:05:30 I'll talk to some of the the Mennonite farmers or the Amish,

1:05:33 and and you get the sense that maybe they have it figured out.

1:05:40 [laughter] They figured it out.

1:05:41 They're doing just fine.

1:05:43 They're doing just fine, and we're kind of like, "Oh my gosh,

1:05:45 we need all the robots." And it's like, it does not have to be that complicated.

1:05:48 But, I like technology, Austin, and so I like a little bit of it.

1:05:52 So, I love where you're going with this.

1:05:55 That um there is we don't need their dystopian

1:05:59 nasty model of control and tyranny and and totalitarianism.

1:06:04 You know, we can take this back, but you're absolutely right.

1:06:08 We're going to need Democrats and Republicans who are normal and sane

1:06:13 to kind of shed the fear of one another and come together because,

1:06:17 you know, they put together an unholy alliance designed to to suppress us,

1:06:24 press our Constitution, crush our our God-given natural rights,

1:06:29 and take everything for themselves.

1:06:31 They want all of it, and we have to stop them.

1:06:33 So, I I love what you're doing.

1:06:35 I think it's really exciting.

1:06:38 Yeah.

1:06:38 All right.

1:06:38 Well, Shannon and Austin, thank you so much for your time.

1:06:41 We really appreciate it.

1:06:42 Yeah, I love this discussion today.

1:06:43 Thank you guys so much, and uh

1:06:45 Especially cuz it's not an all-or-nothing type discussion we've just had.

1:06:49 Like, "Ooh, let's all be afraid and freak out." So,

1:06:51 Yeah, or let's let's all become Amish.

1:06:53 Like, we don't necessarily have to.

1:06:55 I [laughter] couldn't wear You could do that if you want to.

1:06:57 Yeah.

1:06:58 I grew up in the my kids the other day, I couldn't do the outfits.

1:07:00 That's the only [laughter]

1:07:02 I know, I grew up in Amish country not too far from Lancaster,

1:07:05 Pennsylvania, and so we see Amish on a regular basis.

1:07:07 and yeah, look what how they handled COVID, look how they handled,

1:07:10 you know, how they handle so many different things.

1:07:12 So, uh great to have you here.

1:07:14 Maybe there's a good balance there.

1:07:15 Austin and Shannon, great to have you both here on the show.

1:07:17 We really appreciate it.

1:07:19 Thank you, guys.

1:07:20 Thanks, guys.

1:07:20 Appreciate it.

1:07:20 Thank you.

1:07:21 All right, coming up, we're going to talk about mass deportations.

1:07:24 What is going on with ICE?

1:07:26 Uh is it really as dystopic as the media would have you believe?

1:07:30 Is it really uh what President Trump promised?

1:07:33 Well, we're going to talk to J.D.

1:07:34 Carroll who has written books about it, who was who rejoined.

1:07:38 Uh what is the ICE world?

1:07:41 24 years Customs and Border Patrol and then he just most recently

1:07:44 joined ICE um to come back into the force and he was

1:07:47 just uh terminated because they discovered that he had uh books

1:07:51 and a podcast and had like all of this information that was public.

1:07:56 Yeah.

1:07:55 Suddenly they just like decided to fire him um

1:07:57 and now he knows what's what it's like on the inside.

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1:09:18 Well, this may come as a shock to most Americans,

1:09:21 but there are no mass deportations happening in the United States of America.

1:09:27 It's one of the greatest lies being told to maybe

1:09:30 be even MAGA supporters or people who voted for President Trump.

1:09:33 This idea that there would be mass deportations across

1:09:36 the United States of illegal immigrants, well, guess what?

1:09:39 It's simply not happening despite the lies that they are telling.

1:09:43 How do we know that?

1:09:44 Well, we know that from insiders,

1:09:47 specifically person who spent 24 years in the Border Patrol as a supervisor,

1:09:52 and most recently 6 months inside of ICE,

1:09:56 took the call from President Trump and his team to rejoin this process.

1:10:03 And JJ Carroll is that person.

1:10:05 He's not only um, a friend of the show.

1:10:08 Um, of course, he's an author, a massively uh, successful author,

1:10:13 a podcaster, a writer about all of America's immigration problems.

1:10:18 And I'm going to go out on a limb and say there is no one in the United States

1:10:21 of America who is a better expert on the current

1:10:24 state of immigration in the United States than JJ Carroll.

1:10:29 And we're thrilled to have him back on the show.

1:10:30 I wish you'd just point out, JJ, so, you took the call.

1:10:34 The call to go back in and help with this process.

1:10:38 And you spend over the last six six or seven months

1:10:42 inside of ICE after you spent 24 years serving the country,

1:10:47 and then took a few years off, but then went back in to ICE to try to help out.

1:10:52 Um, and you are no longer with ICE.

1:10:54 We should be very be about this, but it's an incredible story,

1:10:56 and I just I'm thrilled to have you back here on the show.

1:10:59 Well, thank you very much, Clayton.

1:11:00 I appreciate being back and be able to talk openly as you

1:11:03 allow me to do and be very honest about my experiences.

1:11:07 This is not anything that uh I come up with.

1:11:10 This is all factually based in numbers.

1:11:12 And I did I went back to ICE as Donald Trump and Tom Homan called

1:11:16 out former Border Patrol and ICE officers

1:11:18 to go back to either Border Patrol and ICE,

1:11:20 and I went to Kansas City, Missouri, where I live outside of there,

1:11:24 and I joined ICE, and I was on the Fugitive Operations Teams team.

1:11:28 Had over hundreds of arrests in within 4 months on that unit.

1:11:31 And there my past caught up with me, Clayton.

1:11:34 I'm not the average guy that gets rehired uh out of law enforcement,

1:11:38 which this is an anomaly.

1:11:39 This does not happen anywhere in law enforcement,

1:11:42 especially federal law enforcement.

1:11:43 So, I have a history.

1:11:44 I have books, documentaries.

1:11:47 I have an a successful podcast.

1:11:49 I get paid for writing on Substack.

1:11:51 So, the federal government finally caught up to me and said,

1:11:53 "Hey, you can't work here anymore.

1:11:55 You have outside employment." And to my to to to my upsetness,

1:11:59 if you will, if that's a word to say, "Well, hell, how did you not know

1:12:03 this, right?" This is a boondoggle uh the rehiring.

1:12:07 Before Before we start to you you testified before Congress.

1:12:12 And because of your expertise,

1:12:14 you've you've written multiple books on the invasion of the United

1:12:18 States through the illegal immigration pouring across our borders.

1:12:22 You've done multiple documentaries.

1:12:24 You had a podcast.

1:12:25 You've been on our show countless times.

1:12:27 You've been on Fox News countless times.

1:12:29 So, this idea that they didn't know any

1:12:31 of that when they rehired you into ICE is just garbage.

1:12:35 It is.

1:12:35 And And it's not the the the officers in ICE.

1:12:39 It's the attorneys.

1:12:40 It's the human resources.

1:12:42 I And I understand that.

1:12:43 I understood that going in.

1:12:44 And I told you off camera every day

1:12:46 my my my my routine was I'd get up at 4:30 cuz

1:12:50 I had to be out with my Fugitive Operations Team

1:12:52 by 5:00 in the morning to to sit on the targets,

1:12:54 the murders, and rapists, and child predators that we arrested every single day.

1:12:59 And I would look at my phone, my government phone in my government vehicle,

1:13:02 and say, "Did I get fired today?" And I would look at my phone and go,

1:13:06 "Okay, I didn't get fired today because of my past." Then

1:13:09 let's go let's go do God's work and start arresting people.

1:13:12 And I want to say this, too.

1:13:14 The men and women working in ICE that I worked with are the most professional,

1:13:20 had the highest integrity, were absolute professionals at the highest level.

1:13:26 They are excellent excellent.

1:13:29 And I I cherish my time working with those men and women on ICE,

1:13:33 and especially the men that I worked

1:13:35 with on the fugitive operations team was incredible.

1:13:39 But, just like Greg Bovino saying repeatedly

1:13:43 that the commander at large in the Border Patrol,

1:13:45 and I'm telling you because I've been in Border Patrol and I've been in ICE,

1:13:49 there is no mass deportation.

1:13:51 This everything that we are doing to rid the 50-plus

1:13:56 million illegal aliens from our nation has to be overhauled,

1:13:59 and the clock is ticking.

1:14:01 I mean, Donald Trump, his second term is almost halfway through.

1:14:05 And if we don't change things immediately,

1:14:08 we are going to lose America because those 50 million illegal aliens,

1:14:12 plus, are having children five times the rate of our women.

1:14:17 And it is basically a numbers game, and we're going to lose.

1:14:20 So, when you told me this, and that's why I wanted to have you on because,

1:14:23 you know, I think we hear about Trump's re-election,

1:14:26 the mass you you hear about all the the news reports, of course,

1:14:29 about ICE and the clashes in in Minneapolis and all of this.

1:14:32 You think, "My gosh, ICE is out there.

1:14:34 They're doing the you know,

1:14:35 by the tens of thousands, and they're rounding up illegals,

1:14:38 and we're going to get rid of this 50

1:14:40 million number pretty quickly." Uh but no, not even close.

1:14:44 Not even a drop up the bucket, sadly.

1:14:46 And as President Trump um you know, heads towards the midterm elections,

1:14:50 and his polling numbers right now are absolutely in the toilet,

1:14:53 thanks to everything that's happening in the Iran

1:14:55 war and and God knows what else.

1:14:57 So, this clock is ticking faster than ever before,

1:15:01 and his ability to try to round up 50

1:15:03 million illegal immigrants is running out right before our eyes.

1:15:06 Would you say that's true?

1:15:07 Well, let's look at the numbers, Clay, because the numbers do not lie.

1:15:10 Per Donald Trump, we are arresting ICE is arresting

1:15:14 and deporting anywhere from 1,000 to 1,200 people a day, okay?

1:15:18 Over a year, we're looking at about 400,000 and change,

1:15:21 maybe about 400 and a quarter.

1:15:24 We have 55 million legal immigrants in America.

1:15:28 The government, if you trust the government, and I do not,

1:15:31 absolutely do not, but let's use their data.

1:15:33 They claim 1 to 2% of those 55 million absconded and become, we call, overstays.

1:15:40 They overstay their visa, thus becoming legal aliens.

1:15:43 We are arresting, deporting 400,000-ish out of our country every year.

1:15:48 We are allowing in over 500 to 800,000,

1:15:54 if you listen to the government, of people that are becoming illegal aliens.

1:15:58 We are still at a net negative every year on illegal immigrants.

1:16:03 This has to change.

1:16:05 There has to be a moratorium on all immigration, legal and illegal.

1:16:09 Look, I tell you, Donald Trump, the greatest border president the in the history

1:16:13 of the United States of America.

1:16:14 Nobody's even close to being second.

1:16:16 However, the interior has to be addressed.

1:16:19 It has to be addressed right now, and what we're doing as ICE,

1:16:23 and I say we cuz I was a part of it, is not working.

1:16:26 It's not working.

1:16:28 Clay, let me give you an example.

1:16:29 So, I would go out with a fugitive op team,

1:16:32 and they are absolute patriotic people.

1:16:35 I have never seen this level of violence in my 24 years in law enforcement,

1:16:39 and I took down El Chapo Guzmán's uh drug loads on Pacific Coast.

1:16:43 I battled MS-13 at 2:00 in the morning on ATV unit in Tijuana border.

1:16:49 I have never experienced this level of violence by legal aliens

1:16:52 and from US citizens trying to thwart our ability to arrest these people.

1:16:57 But say we arrested 10 people.

1:17:00 It would take those 10 people it takes us

1:17:02 about two or three hours to process them, Clayton.

1:17:05 Two or three hours of mind-numbing paperwork for illegal

1:17:09 alien that has already been deported five, six, 10 times.

1:17:13 Everything that we're doing to deport people is is

1:17:18 ineffective and and saying that is a gross understatement.

1:17:21 I would change everything and you and I and this is not someone that's

1:17:24 looking through the 2020 lens and saying I you know what we should do this.

1:17:29 No, if you go back to the the to your graciousness

1:17:32 allowing me to be on your show,

1:17:33 you and I discussed this many many times where I said before I went into ICE,

1:17:38 this is not working and this is why it will not work and why it's not working.

1:17:43 So I have been saying this this is not new.

1:17:45 I'm just now have validation if you will by being inside the beast to look

1:17:50 at you and say everything you and I

1:17:52 discussed many many times prior is absolutely the truth.

1:17:56 Factually been verified that there are no mass deportations

1:18:00 and it is not because of the ICE officers,

1:18:02 it's because the Democrats and Republicans

1:18:05 have systematically destroyed the immigration system,

1:18:08 the pipeline of moving people and there's no infrastructure.

1:18:12 There is zero infrastructure to move 50 million people out of America.

1:18:17 So both Democrats and Republicans have stonewalled this.

1:18:20 That's been the great lie about all of this, right?

1:18:23 Is that oh, it's Democrats are anti they you know,

1:18:26 whatever it they're all the same.

1:18:28 Democrats and Republicans and they've destroyed as you

1:18:31 point out the infrastructure to facilitate the the arrests,

1:18:34 the speediness of getting these individuals out of the country.

1:18:37 So, you guys are processing 10 people after spending hours sitting on targets,

1:18:43 arresting these people, then filling out paperwork.

1:18:46 How many ICE age Well, I guess I mean, we can reverse engineer the math here,

1:18:50 but like how many ICE agents would it take?

1:18:52 What would it take from a bureaucracy overhaul

1:18:54 to like make this anywhere nearly close to efficient?

1:18:58 You're never going to do what the ICE officers do.

1:19:00 I want you to take Let's say you have a field office of 100 people, okay?

1:19:04 75 of those 100 are not in the field, Clayton.

1:19:08 They're doing paperwork.

1:19:09 They're doing administrative paperwork to get these people on planes

1:19:13 and fly and get them out of our country.

1:19:15 Only a quarter of the ICE agents are actually doing street work.

1:19:19 This is the anomaly.

1:19:20 There's no more There's no more Greg Bovino with the green

1:19:23 machine going out there and going to city to city.

1:19:27 The it's ineffective.

1:19:28 Everything's wrong.

1:19:29 If you want to do this right, you have to create an agency outside

1:19:33 of DHS that is called the deportation agency.

1:19:35 You You have military units deployed to that.

1:19:38 You hire men like me and Greg Bovino by 100, 200 of us.

1:19:43 Make us commanders at large and give us 100, 200, 300,

1:19:47 500 officers through the military and ICE

1:19:50 and supplement it through the Border Patrol.

1:19:51 And we go out there and we systematically root our country out of these people.

1:19:56 And we make it impossible for them to live.

1:19:58 But, we don't have the political will because they, the Democrats,

1:20:03 get voting rights and get their power and wealth from illegal aliens.

1:20:07 The the the the Republicans are so gutless.

1:20:10 Speaker Johnson is so spineless.

1:20:13 The pencil, John Thune,

1:20:14 I call him the pencil cuz he has the the charisma of a pencil.

1:20:17 John Thune hasn't passed any bill to help us.

1:20:19 Nothing.

1:20:20 Zero.

1:20:21 They're complicit in all of this.

1:20:23 And why I'm so angry is and and and I'm energized about

1:20:26 this is cuz I just came from working with men that are patriots.

1:20:31 And they are getting I in in my first two

1:20:33 to three weeks on on the job as a fugitive operation guy,

1:20:37 I saw two of my officers get attacked and attempted murder on their lives.

1:20:42 Did those people go to jail?

1:20:44 No.

1:20:45 No.

1:20:46 No, we we live in an alternative universe.

1:20:48 It is the most violent time to be a law enforcement officer in America and it

1:20:52 is the most violent time to be an ICE officer with all of the hatred,

1:20:56 the vile slander from the Democrats and the left

1:20:59 that we're not qualified we're not real law enforcement.

1:21:02 I mean, I don't even know where they come up it's slanderous.

1:21:04 They should all get sued for this.

1:21:06 But America needs to understand 55 million illegal 50 million

1:21:12 to up to 100 million illegal aliens are in America right now.

1:21:15 That's the new number they're trying to throw out.

1:21:18 We have a net positive of illegal immigrants in our country every single

1:21:22 year having birth rates five times that of our native our native women.

1:21:28 We are looking at a math problem

1:21:30 that will destroy the demographics of America forever.

1:21:33 Do you think that President Trump understands this math problem?

1:21:36 Does Does Tom Homan understand this math problem?

1:21:39 They can do as many Fox News hits as they want and talk on Fox

1:21:42 News all the time about this arrest in this town and this is what we're doing.

1:21:46 But at the end of the day, they don't have the resources.

1:21:48 Are they aware of it?

1:21:50 They must be aware of it because they got rid of Greg Bovino.

1:21:53 Why would you get rid of Greg Bovino

1:21:54 the commander at large that had a border patrol

1:21:57 unit with him and was basically going and arresting

1:22:00 people out of city after city after city.

1:22:03 But there needs to be not one Greg Bovino,

1:22:05 there needs to be a hundred or two hundred

1:22:07 of those units run by men like me and him and guys that have been in the service

1:22:11 for for 20 30 years that know what the hell's

1:22:14 going on and that will go ahead and do

1:22:16 it in a professional civil way but will enforce

1:22:19 the law in the most use of force level

1:22:22 of violence necessary and needed to get the job done.

1:22:25 And then we have to have US attorneys in our back pocket,

1:22:28 meaning assigned to us that when we get assaulted,

1:22:31 they immediately immediately arrest and prosecute these people.

1:22:36 The idea, Clayton, that average average normal American

1:22:40 citizens can drive their cars into ICE officers,

1:22:44 throw stuff at us, yell at us, threaten to kill us, and nothing's done.

1:22:50 Nothing's done to them.

1:22:52 Do you know the wear and tear on a man's body and psyche to go to work

1:22:56 every single day and and have the threat

1:22:59 of being murdered everything and I'm this is not hyperbole.

1:23:04 Right.

1:23:03 This is this is the truth, Clayton.

1:23:05 Look, I'm a guy that that has been through it.

1:23:08 I'm not fearful at all.

1:23:10 I am telling you, Clayton, I would drive from my house to the first target

1:23:14 and make my first arrest and I would not stop praying until

1:23:18 I got to my first place and then my mind would

1:23:20 change and then I would go full in with my guys.

1:23:23 But I was praying as a Catholic, I was praying to my God.

1:23:27 And this is my prayer, Clayton, please God,

1:23:30 keep my guys in my unit and me safe today and allow

1:23:34 us to be reactive and and do what's necessary to affect the arrest.

1:23:39 I never had that mindset in 24 years arresting the close the worst of the worst.

1:23:45 In 6 months, I said that prayer a million

1:23:48 times because that is how violent it is,

1:23:51 that is how vile the Democrats are and how gutless

1:23:54 the Republicans are that there is a new environment within the United

1:23:58 States of America that the illegal aliens feel so emboldened

1:24:02 that they don't have to listen to anything that we say.

1:24:04 They can ram us with cars, they can try to shoot us,

1:24:07 throw things at us, and then we have our own American citizens driving by.

1:24:11 I I can't tell you out of the hundreds arrest I had,

1:24:14 Clayton, this happened to me every single time.

1:24:17 I would have literally literally handcuffed a murderer.

1:24:21 I'm standing on the street corner with a murderer that ran

1:24:24 away from me and I have Karens driving by cursing me out.

1:24:28 And I'm looking at them almost perplexed like, "You're I'm the enemy?

1:24:33 I just arrested somebody that was murdering people

1:24:36 in your community." It was maddening and it's still

1:24:39 maddening and my heart goes out to those men

1:24:42 that are on the fugitive operation teams across America.

1:24:45 They deserve to be called patriots and lionized for their efforts,

1:24:49 not demonized by our politicians and the gutless people in America

1:24:54 that are doing everything they can to help illegal aliens.

1:24:58 It's maddening.

1:24:59 It's unbelievable to me.

1:25:00 What would the numbers look like in order to right this ship?

1:25:04 What would ICE need?

1:25:05 What would the Border Patrol need in order to try to right this ship?

1:25:08 Apart from the lawyers piece which you mentioned, but

1:25:12 I would do I would do things I would do five or six things immediately.

1:25:15 Number one, I would create an agency outside of DHS.

1:25:18 Have Tom Homan run it, I don't care, but it's an agency outside.

1:25:21 You now bring in the United States military,

1:25:23 I don't care, special forces, whatever you have.

1:25:25 How about we get them out of all across the nation, bring them to America,

1:25:29 have them go under the immigration and enforcement apparatus and model.

1:25:34 You hire guys like me and and Greg Bovino by the hundreds.

1:25:38 You bring them in.

1:25:40 Then you you do executive order,

1:25:42 meaning you get rid of all the administrative paperwork, all of it.

1:25:46 I should as an immigration officer have we have

1:25:48 the ability to scan their retinas and their face and say,

1:25:51 "You're an illegal alien." I check a box to where they're and I

1:25:54 check a box and then I drive them to the military operator

1:25:59 that is is attached to me and he drives them to a C-130

1:26:02 sitting on the plane tarmac and they once that plane is filled with Mexicans,

1:26:06 Guatemalans, Ukrainians, Nigerians, whatever, they fly them out of here.

1:26:10 That's how fast it needs to happen.

1:26:11 And if you have 100 of those Greg Bovino units,

1:26:15 then those people will begin to self deport in conjunction

1:26:19 with you make it impossible for people to hire illegal aliens.

1:26:23 You make it impossible for illegal aliens to to open

1:26:26 bank accounts and you make it impossible for them to work.

1:26:29 And then you get them the hell out of our country.

1:26:32 Clayton, we have a infrastructure that is dying right now.

1:26:35 We have an infrastructure built for 340 million people.

1:26:38 It is servicing 450 million.

1:26:40 What if I got rid of 50 million illegal aliens?

1:26:43 Do you think we would have a housing crisis?

1:26:46 Do you think we would have overcrowded schools?

1:26:48 Do you think our healthcare system would not be crumbling amongst us?

1:26:51 You think our infrastructure roads, sewers, etc.

1:26:54 would not be be dying?

1:26:56 Well, do you think there's a correlation between the number

1:26:58 of illegal aliens and legal immigrants in our country to our infrastructure?

1:27:03 And And bottom line is I want foreigners out of my country.

1:27:08 If you think America is doing well now, you're a you're a fool.

1:27:11 And there's a direct correlation between the massive

1:27:14 amount of foreign agitators that hate America.

1:27:16 Let me be very clear.

1:27:18 The people that are arrested hate America.

1:27:21 Hate them.

1:27:24 How would the military component be?

1:27:26 Cuz I'm sure there would be people say, JJ,

1:27:28 I love I I love exactly what you're saying except

1:27:30 that the civil liberties piece of this like you know,

1:27:33 what kind of due process will we have?

1:27:35 We're just rounding up random people.

1:27:36 You're doing retina scans, you're throwing them on an airplane.

1:27:39 Are American citizens going to be wrapped up in this dragnet?

1:27:43 Um you know, it sounds like something out of Nazi Germany.

1:27:46 You're going to hear that.

1:27:47 And then the military component, right?

1:27:49 That this is something you'd see all over television like,

1:27:51 you know, boots on the ground,

1:27:52 United States military uh walking down I By the way,

1:27:56 hand to the heavens, I've been saying this for years on the show.

1:27:59 Get the get 50,000 American soldiers out of the Middle East

1:28:03 and put them in the United States of America and start

1:28:06 to assist with this process of securing our country again just

1:28:09 like Colonel Douglas McGregor has been saying on our show as well.

1:28:12 So, I'm on that side of it.

1:28:14 But, what would that look like logistically?

1:28:15 I mean, how many we talking hundreds of thousands?

1:28:18 What would you say?

1:28:19 I I would say tens of thousands of those officers because they're

1:28:22 going to be the logistical markup of this of this new agency.

1:28:27 They're going to be I would hire a general

1:28:29 that has wartime experience and his his expertise is logistics.

1:28:33 How do you move 100,000 military men 7,000 miles with food, water, etc.?

1:28:39 You're now in charge of developing the system that moves

1:28:43 50 million illegal aliens onto C-130s and flying out of here.

1:28:46 And those C-130s go non-stop, non-stop.

1:28:49 And then if we have to charter planes,

1:28:50 we got to do whatever we got to do to do it.

1:28:53 The idea that we're arresting US citizens is absurd.

1:28:57 This is how it goes, Clayton.

1:28:59 I know someone's illegal.

1:29:00 If I go up to them and they say, "Hey," which has happened,

1:29:03 "Hey, I have a resident alien I'm a legal resident alien.

1:29:06 I have status." Okay,

1:29:08 show me your card because you're by law you have to show me your documents.

1:29:12 They show it to me.

1:29:13 I I scan it.

1:29:14 I look at it.

1:29:15 Good.

1:29:15 Thank you very much, sir.

1:29:16 On your way.

1:29:17 I'm a US citizen.

1:29:18 I was born so-and-so.

1:29:19 Here's my ID.

1:29:20 Thank you very much.

1:29:20 Have a great day.

1:29:21 Oh, you're from Mexico.

1:29:22 You're from Sudan.

1:29:23 You're from Senegal.

1:29:25 Okay, you're illegal.

1:29:26 You're under arrest.

1:29:27 That's how it works.

1:29:28 The idea that we're arresting and deporting US citizens.

1:29:31 Like I tell my son, one of his teachers says,

1:29:33 "ICE is deporting Americans." And I ask my son,

1:29:36 "Son, where do I deport a US citizen?" And my son's look at me like complex.

1:29:40 He's like, [laughter] "Well, I don't understand." Yeah.

1:29:42 Well, your father just Tell your teacher that your father just arrested somebody

1:29:46 from Indiana that was in in Kansas and I just deported him back to Indiana.

1:29:50 You see how absurd this is?

1:29:52 And ultimately tell your teacher, "No,

1:29:55 my father just arrested a murderer in a neighborhood."

1:29:58 Like that's who was from an you know, here illegally and I sent them back.

1:30:03 I mean, it's that's a Listen, it It to happen.

1:30:06 The military We have to go all in.

1:30:08 This is I I want your audience to also understand something.

1:30:12 And I don't say this with any maliciousness.

1:30:14 I'm just telling you the the factual truth.

1:30:16 Through my 24 years and now my time in ICE, and I know this to be a fact.

1:30:20 We have imported tens of millions of people from the continent Africa,

1:30:24 the Middle East, and Latin America.

1:30:27 Latin America has a average IQ of under 80.

1:30:30 There are people There are groups of people in the Middle East that's around 70,

1:30:34 and then Africa, especially sub-Saharan, are under 70.

1:30:38 Why that Why is that important?

1:30:39 Because 70 is the demarcation

1:30:42 for being medically deemed medically intellectually.

1:30:46 I am telling you the people that I

1:30:48 have been arresting are beyond the retardation level.

1:30:52 They don't know how to spell.

1:30:53 They don't even know how to communicate.

1:30:55 Like I'm asking a question, like simple question,

1:30:57 "What's your name?" And there's a hesitation cuz they don't know.

1:31:01 They don't know how to articulate it.

1:31:02 There's There's a disconnect intellectually.

1:31:05 We are looking at a nation, the United States of America,

1:31:08 with tens of millions of people that would be medically deemed intellectually.

1:31:14 And that is not being mean or malicious.

1:31:16 I'm just telling you the facts.

1:31:18 How does that bear for the United States

1:31:20 of America in the present and the very near future?

1:31:23 Not well.

1:31:23 Not well at all.

1:31:24 No, and they're receiving government subsidies to set up

1:31:26 things like the leering center instead of the learning center.

1:31:30 And then we're like we're we're giving

1:31:31 them government grants and subsidies and money, American taxpayer dollars,

1:31:36 to in order to teach our children through through learning centers.

1:31:39 I mean, Somalian learning center, give me a break.

1:31:41 Um Oh my gosh.

1:31:44 I I Do you have I mean,

1:31:47 is anyone in this administration willing to grab this thing by the balls,

1:31:52 so to speak, and run with it?

1:31:53 I mean, I know Tom Homan certainly, but he's he's at the mercy of what what

1:31:57 it what whatever he's given um at this point.

1:32:00 Um and I don't know that the Trump

1:32:01 administration seems like they've kind of fallen back

1:32:04 and gotten weaker on this issue because of all

1:32:07 the bad publicity from Minneapolis and other places.

1:32:10 So, they've sort of fallen backwards on this.

1:32:12 Do you think that there's any kind of I don't know,

1:32:18 cojones inside the the Trump administration to carry this out anymore?

1:32:22 I say this with great sadness cuz I I I hold Donald President Donald Trump

1:32:26 in the highest regard as a Border Patrol agent because he shut the border down.

1:32:29 He was the greatest president I ever worked

1:32:32 for in the United States Border Patrol, period.

1:32:35 With that said, I have inside direct knowledge that the lack of arrest,

1:32:41 the slowdown if you will, the the capitulation comes from the top, from him,

1:32:46 the slowdown after minute after the Minneapolis, whatever you want to call that.

1:32:52 We should have never pulled back.

1:32:53 Should we have done Minneapolis differently?

1:32:55 Sure.

1:32:56 Hindsight's 20/20.

1:32:58 But why are we pulling back?

1:33:00 Why are we allowing illegal aliens to have a foothold in our country?

1:33:04 You don't think this is going to play out?

1:33:05 How do you think How do you think people that were

1:33:09 illegal aliens that are now in the House of Congress?

1:33:13 Dahlia Ramirez, illegal alien anchor baby from Guatemala,

1:33:17 is is in the House of Congress.

1:33:19 Ilhan Omar, immigration fraud, J.D.

1:33:22 Vance openly stated she is 100% committed immigration fraud.

1:33:27 Well, J.D.

1:33:27 Vance, I have a question for you, sir.

1:33:29 Where are your brass balls?

1:33:32 Why can't you start making arrest of someone that committed immigration fraud?

1:33:36 That's a felony.

1:33:38 Why are we have felonious people in our positions of authority?

1:33:42 We have people that literally have wet feet,

1:33:44 meaning they just got off the boat and they

1:33:46 walked into the House of Congress and they're a congressperson.

1:33:49 This will have detrimental effect in the United States of America.

1:33:53 Why, Clayton?

1:33:54 Because in less than 4 years, we have the 2030 census and they will count

1:33:59 every single every single illegal alien and you will see

1:34:03 a flipping of the house of at least 60

1:34:06 seats to the Democrats and then the game is over.

1:34:10 That's why the Democrats are fighting tooth

1:34:12 and nail to keep them in our country.

1:34:13 Yeah, 100%.

1:34:15 Uh I just interviewed Peter Schweizer a few months ago

1:34:17 here on the show um you know about the systemic plan.

1:34:21 I mean it was all it's all laid out there.

1:34:23 It's just you know that's all part of the plan of course and it is to replace.

1:34:28 It is to make sure that they have seats in Congress.

1:34:30 It's all part of the plan.

1:34:31 If you don't think it is you know you're fooling yourself at this point.

1:34:36 Uh [gasps and sighs]

1:34:37 JJ I wish we had better news but like um you know what are they saying to you

1:34:41 now now that you've been terminated because they

1:34:43 finally discovered your books your your Amazon best-selling books?

1:34:48 Yeah.

1:34:48 Oh my god.

1:34:49 Like No one's saying anything to me now.

1:34:51 Uh I feel as if I'm on the outside once again.

1:34:55 I have you know like Greg Bovino and those types.

1:35:00 Yeah.

1:34:59 What what a talent not to have out.

1:35:01 You have and I've said this to to your to you and your audience prior to me

1:35:05 going back to ICE because it took a it's a long process to get quote rehired.

1:35:09 There are more men like me that are willing

1:35:13 and that that don't want to just come back and do grunt work.

1:35:17 That it's it's very I I enjoyed every second of it.

1:35:22 But my level of experience and Greg Bovino and other men we have experience.

1:35:27 Why are this is a national security issue.

1:35:29 Why are we not being brought in and said, "Okay,

1:35:32 what is your plan?" Cuz obvious our plan's not working.

1:35:35 It's just not working.

1:35:36 I love Tom Homan.

1:35:37 I love all these guys.

1:35:38 They are patriots but everyone knows it's not working.

1:35:41 It's not it's not what I believe or what

1:35:44 you say Clayton or Greg Bovino or Schweizer.

1:35:47 Look, the numbers are what they are.

1:35:49 The deportation numbers are what they are the and and the the the legal

1:35:54 immigrations that that is pouring into the illegal is what it is.

1:35:58 We either are going to make strides to change what is ineffective or we're going

1:36:04 to do nothing and I'm going to tell you I bet money on we do nothing.

1:36:09 Nothing.

1:36:10 Donald I think Donald President Trump is scared to death of mass deportations,

1:36:14 how will affect his his midterm and the irony of all ironies,

1:36:19 if he just went full throated,

1:36:21 everyone's getting deported, his numbers would skyrocket.

1:36:24 I I agree with you.

1:36:26 This is instead of focusing on Middle East wars,

1:36:29 like this is why this is the number one

1:36:32 reason why he was elected is to secure the border

1:36:35 and mass mass deportations of illegal criminals in the United

1:36:39 States which are destroying the United States of America.

1:36:41 That's the number one issue.

1:36:44 Mhm.

1:36:43 And he's farmed it out and he's gone

1:36:46 half-assed and he's focused more on, you know,

1:36:49 Netanyahu's wars in the Middle East and if if he would reverse course, you know,

1:36:54 he wouldn't have these poll numbers

1:36:56 that he has heading into the midterm elections.

1:36:58 Um I it's it's it's deeply sad.

1:37:02 Uh JJ, thank you so much for your your bravery,

1:37:05 your honesty, um your patriotism.

1:37:08 I mean, going back into the forest trying to do

1:37:10 God's work and secure this country and then you know,

1:37:14 now trying to do God's work from the other side to alert

1:37:16 all of us about this, but no one's talking about it.

1:37:20 So, thank you.

1:37:20 Thank you for sharing this.

1:37:22 Again, no one is talking about what you're

1:37:23 talking about here and I hope that this gets

1:37:25 shared far and wide and I hope that people

1:37:27 in the administration pay attention to this segment.

1:37:29 I sure I sure as hell hope they do.

1:37:31 So, JJ, thank you so much.

1:37:33 Um as always, great to see you, my friend.

1:37:36 Thank you very much, Clayton.

1:37:36 Have a great day.

1:37:39 Well, thanks to JJ for that.

1:37:40 Let us know your thoughts on that in the comments below.

1:37:43 I I sure hope the administration pays attention to this segment.

1:37:47 Um I don't know that if it's coming right from the top though,

1:37:49 if it's coming from President Trump

1:37:51 to slowly roll heading into the midterm elections, then that's the order.

1:37:56 The Trump administration saying, "Hey,

1:37:57 50 50 million illegals, fine, we'll slow it down.

1:38:01 We'll slow it down till the midterms." Or beyond, or or never go back.

1:38:05 And so this is what we're stuck with now heading into the 2030 census.

1:38:10 Uh deeply troubling.

1:38:12 Anyway, that's going to do it for us today.

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