Stanley Tucci on THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA 2, TUCCI IN ITALY, BIG NIGHT, THE LOVELY BONES, & more!

0:00 When you first read in the script the words gird your loins,

0:07 do you have questions?

0:08 Do you say, "Yeah, this this works.

0:11 I can make this work." here's the thing.

0:12 That that was not in the script.

0:15 It was David.

0:16 We came up with a list of things to say.

0:20 Mine would have changed the rating of the film.

0:25 [laughter]

0:26 But David came up with gird your loins.

0:30 Yeah.

0:29 And it was it was perfect.

0:33 Perfect.

0:34 He's brilliant.

0:35 Have you reconciled that you are going to be

0:37 heckled with that line till your last day on Earth?

0:40 No, it's going to be on my tombstone.

0:42 Are you kidding?

0:42 [laughter] Girding his loins in perpetuity.

0:49 Prepare your ears, humans.

0:51 Happy [music] Sad Confused begins now.

0:57 Hey guys, it's Josh.

0:57 Welcome to another edition of Happy Sad Confused.

0:59 Today on the show, a legend is in the house.

1:02 Stanley Tucci talking Devil Wears Prada 2, Tucci in Italy, his entire career.

1:07 This is an awesome one.

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1:25 Um this is such a treat.

1:27 We did a live event with Stanley Tucci

1:28 to a virtually sold-out crowd in New York City.

1:32 Um he's an icon.

1:33 Somewhere along the line,

1:35 this character actor turned into an icon, and it's well deserved.

1:39 He's a class act.

1:40 He's got a lot going on, as I said.

1:42 Not only Devil Wears Prada 2, which everybody is seeing,

1:45 uh but his Tucci in Italy series on Nat Geo, which I love and adore.

1:49 Stanley Tucci, Italy, food, sold.

1:52 All the good things in life.

1:54 All right, before we get to Stanley Tucci, though, some reminders as always.

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2:15 And I mentioned the live events.

2:16 We do so many of those.

2:18 Obviously, Stanley was at a live event in New York City,

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2:58 Okay, not much more preamble cuz Stanley Tucci is one

3:00 of those guys that doesn't really need much of an introduction.

3:03 We have all grown up loving what he can do.

3:06 Um his career is so multi-faceted,

3:09 whether you love him from Big Night or The Hunger Games, Spotlight.

3:14 I mean, I could rattle off 20 great Stanley

3:16 Tucci performances and it's the tip of the iceberg.

3:18 So, real treat to catch up with him to talk

3:21 about his entire career and these two new exciting projects,

3:24 Devil Wears Prada 2 and Tucci in Italy.

3:26 Uh so, without any further ado,

3:28 let me take you to our live events at the 92nd Street Y in New York City,

3:31 me and Stanley Tucci.

3:33 Enjoy.

3:35 Hi, everybody.

3:36 How's it going?

3:37 Welcome to the 92nd Street Y.

3:40 Hi, everybody.

3:41 My name's Josh Horowitz.

3:42 I host the podcast called Happy Sad Confused and you're inside of it right now.

3:45 Thank you for coming out today.

3:46 Thank you for selling out this theater for a very good cause.

3:49 Stanley Stanley is here.

3:51 Are you ready?

3:53 Um Thank you guys again for being here.

3:56 Let me tell you there is such a a joy and a panic in prepping for Stanley Tucci.

3:59 This man has lived such a life, so many amazing on-screen credits.

4:05 He has lived every kind of life.

4:07 He's like social media's favorite mixologist.

4:10 He's a great director.

4:12 He can do it all.

4:13 And currently, as Taz just mentioned, he's got the number one film in the world,

4:18 The Devil Wears Prada 2, which I'm sure you all saw.

4:22 He's got my favorite show, Tucci in Italy,

4:26 coming back for a second season on Nat Geo on May 11th.

4:29 Amazing.

4:30 We are Yes, give it up.

4:31 We're going to talk about all of that and much, much more.

4:34 Please give a warm welcome to the one and only it's Stanley Tucci, everybody.

4:40 [applause] [applause]

4:54 Stanley, how are you still standing?

4:55 We've seen you on social media.

4:56 You're running around the world.

4:57 This has been quite the press tour for Prada 2.

5:00 You doing all right?

5:03 No.

5:03 Okay.

5:04 No, I'm fine.

5:05 We got you a comfortable Well, I'm Yeah, it's Yeah, it's tiring,

5:09 you know, that's funny the press junket thing.

5:12 But you know, you do it because you do it.

5:16 Yeah, well, there's a lot to celebrate including Look,

5:18 there are there are certain markers in someone's life

5:20 when you're an actor and sometimes it's awards and nominations,

5:23 sometimes it's box office.

5:25 You also you just got your star on the Walk of Fame.

5:28 Yeah, I did.

5:30 Thank you.

5:33 Thanks.

5:34 Thank you.

5:35 Yeah, it was Yeah, it was very exciting.

5:38 Does it make you a little bit reflective?

5:40 Like do you have that kind of like Wait,

5:42 I was a kid once that dreamed of this life moment?

5:44 with no question.

5:45 You know, you always dream that it might happen.

5:50 And then it happens and you're sort of shocked that it happened, you know.

5:55 It took them long enough.

5:57 But [laughter] I know I was really especially happy to have you know,

6:03 like Matt Damon there and and Meryl speaking and you know,

6:09 Robert and Dwayne speaking for Emily.

6:11 But I think particularly to have it with Emily and now

6:16 that they're sort of side by side is really lovely.

6:20 It's also you mentioned Meryl who you've worked with a few times

6:22 and I know you're you're friends with beyond just being a a screen partner.

6:26 To hear her words at that event was pretty amazing.

6:29 I'm going to I'm going to say a few of them here today.

6:31 She said, "It's impossible not to love

6:33 Stanley Tucci." Fairness fact check, is that correct?

6:36 Can you contest to that?

6:38 Oh, there's no question about that.

6:39 Yeah.

6:41 She also called you here a few words she she name checked for you.

6:44 Tell me if these are true or not.

6:46 Would you call yourself urbane?

6:49 Yeah, I guess.

6:49 Yeah.

6:50 Okay.

6:50 Sly?

6:52 Sly?

6:54 Yeah.

6:53 Yeah.

6:53 Yeah.

6:56 Funny?

6:57 Oh, yeah.

6:59 Yeah.

6:59 Now we get to the good stuff.

7:00 __] Sometimes.

7:02 Yeah.

7:03 [laughter] She said you're one of the world's great complainers.

7:06 Yes, I am.

7:08 That's why I'm here tonight.

7:11 [laughter] What's What's your favorite subject to complain about?

7:15 Oh, anything.

7:16 I can complain about anything and so can she, which is why we get along so well.

7:22 Yeah.

7:23 Yeah.

7:23 I making you know, Tucci in Italy,

7:29 um I'd sit with Lottie who is my producing partner.

7:34 Used to be my assistant, now my producing partner.

7:36 She's extraordinary.

7:37 And we'd be in the car for hours and hours,

7:40 you know, going from the hotel to one location,

7:44 and there'd be these long silences,

7:47 and then I would just turn to her and say, "Do you know who I hate?" [laughter]

7:57 I promised your publicist backstage I wouldn't bring you down tonight.

7:59 So, I'm not going to ask do it.

8:01 Don't do it.

8:01 Yeah.

8:04 We'll be right back with more Happy Sad Confused.

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11:08 As we're talking about being a little reflective,

11:10 when did your parents stop worrying about you, your career?

11:13 Because

11:15 Never.

11:15 Was there a demarcation point?

11:16 There was never like a movie, an accomplishment, anything?

11:20 No, nor did I ever stop worrying about my career.

11:23 You never do.

11:25 [clears throat] And because a career in show business ebbs and flows,

11:29 and there was a a of ebbing for a while.

11:32 It can consistent ebbing.

11:35 Um it like after the first Devil Wears Prada,

11:39 um yeah, I mean, I couldn't really get a job.

11:43 Which I know sounds weird, but it's true.

11:48 So, does that mean a satisfactory job or literally any job?

11:51 You could

11:52 No, no, I could get a job,

11:53 but it wasn't a job that was they were less than lateral moves.

12:00 Right.

11:59 Right.

11:59 So, it wasn't Yeah, and also just not I mean, I had a family.

12:06 You know, I had a mortgage.

12:09 Yeah.

12:08 Yeah.

12:09 My wife my late wife was ill, and I needed to find something that you know,

12:15 was satisfying, but also that would that would bring

12:19 me money to be able to, you know, whatever.

12:22 And is is it just about powering through those those ebs?

12:25 Just sort of like Yeah.

12:26 You know that the next Yeah, you have to Yeah.

12:31 Drink your way through it.

12:32 Right.

12:32 No.

12:34 [laughter] No, you No, you have to keep communicating with your representation.

12:40 Yeah.

12:41 Yeah.

12:41 I mean, I mentioned your parents.

12:42 I mean, it strikes me like reading

12:44 a little bit about your background that I mean,

12:45 we're all the sum of our our two parents.

12:48 But you especially, I mean, dad an art teacher,

12:51 a true lover of the arts, the fine arts.

12:54 Mom, you often describe as like the greatest cook in existence.

12:58 They're Stanley Tucci right there.

13:00 Artists, foodie,

13:03 Yeah.

13:02 nutshell, basically.

13:03 Not nearly as talented as both of them, but they gave me a lot of tools.

13:10 And they gave me, you know, they gave me a vision, and they gave me a palette.

13:18 Were they supportive when you Was there like a a moment where you said,

13:21 "I'm going to I'm going to make

13:22 a go of this." And were they immediately supportive?

13:24 They were very supportive.

13:25 They were.

13:25 They knew that I wanted possibly to be an I I thought about being an architect.

13:31 But my math skills are tragic.

13:35 So that wasn't going to happen.

13:37 Um and uh and I said this is what

13:41 I want to do and they were incredibly supportive.

13:43 Yeah, I know my mother still worries when I [laughter]

13:49 Last year I had like a little time off and she she was like,

13:56 "So how are you?" You know, we talk once twice a week something.

14:00 She said, "How are you?" I said, "I'm good.

14:01 I've just been" She goes, "So what are you

14:06 [laughter] what are you doing?" And I was like, "Well, you know,

14:09 I'm just you know, taking time being with the kids and I have meetings,

14:13 you know, at the office and stuff

14:14 for this and that or charity stuff or whatever,

14:18 you know, blah blah blah." There's a pause.

14:22 And they're like, "Oh, she thinks that I'm never going to work again."

14:28 [laughter] I understand it.

14:32 I understand it.

14:33 Does she have a favorite film of yours in your filmography?

14:36 Oh, I don't know.

14:37 I don't know.

14:39 Yeah.

14:38 I don't know.

14:39 She doesn't She's never seen anything.

14:41 No, I'm good.

14:41 No, I don't know.

14:43 [laughter] I don't know.

14:44 All right.

14:44 What let's talk about First I want to get to Tucci in Italy,

14:47 but I just I want to start with a double

14:49 whammy brought it to which um what a remarkable I mean,

14:53 this must be so surreal for you.

14:54 I mean, the first one was lightning in a bottle and here we are 20 years later.

14:58 This doesn't happen in this way.

15:01 Um was the first one first looking back

15:03 at the first one is that in a career filled

15:06 with surprises one of the most surprising moments in your career

15:09 the way that one hit and continued to hit?

15:12 Yeah, absolutely.

15:13 It was a It was a great honor to be a part of it

15:15 and it was I remember the last day of shooting I didn't want to leave.

15:21 It was so much fun.

15:22 You know, I met Emily who became my dear friend and then now my sister-in-law.

15:28 Um it you know, I got to work with Meryl.

15:31 I had known her, but we'd never worked together.

15:34 I met Annie and David and all these wonderful people.

15:38 It was great, but I we knew we were making a good movie, you know,

15:43 but we had no idea that it would result

15:46 in something that would become really a sort of Hollywood classic.

15:52 When you first read in the script the words gird your loins,

15:59 do you have questions?

16:00 Do you say, "Yeah, this this works.

16:02 I can make this work." here's the thing.

16:04 That that was not in the script.

16:07 It was David.

16:08 We came up with a list of things to say.

16:12 Mine would have changed the rating of the film.

16:17 [laughter] But David came up with gird your loins.

16:22 Yeah.

16:21 And it was it was perfect.

16:25 Perfect.

16:26 He's brilliant.

16:27 Have you reconciled that you are going to be

16:29 heckled with that line till your last day on Earth?

16:32 No, it's going to be on my tombstone.

16:34 Are you kidding?

16:36 [laughter] Yeah.

16:37 Girding his loins in perpetuity.

16:39 That's future.

16:43 [laughter]

16:43 You mentioned Meryl.

16:44 You of course worked with her on these two films and Julie and Julia.

16:47 And I mean, we don't need to sell the audience on her as a talented actor,

16:51 but I do feel like sometimes we in a weird way we

16:53 take her for granted because she does make it look so easy.

16:56 And and I I kind of I've heard her talk a lot

16:58 on this press tour and she's so kind of self-deprecating and saying like

17:02 "I don't know what I'm doing." After all these like how much

17:05 of that in your experience of watching her up close is for real?

17:09 How much of that is her just being humble?

17:12 Having seen her do it up close,

17:14 what's your perspective on her and her approach to the work?

17:17 I think it's all of that.

17:18 I think sometimes sometimes we don't know what we're doing.

17:23 And you're not supposed to know what you're doing.

17:26 Because if you know what you're doing all the time,

17:29 it won't read it won't be truthful.

17:33 And it won't it won't be surprising, right?

17:38 Yeah.

17:40 So, she is the that perfect dichotomy of of an artist,

17:44 which is there's this incredible technique,

17:47 an amazing intellect, but then complete spontaneity.

17:54 That's the that's the place you want to be as an actor, as a painter,

17:59 as a writer, as a whatever, where she is every time that camera starts rolling.

18:05 I I think it's also I struck me when I was watching this one how much

18:08 is unspoken between your two characters

18:11 and the and the long history there is between them.

18:14 And I've heard you speak in previous interviews about

18:16 the value you place in actors that are like silent actors,

18:19 that just like active listeners.

18:22 Mention like Joe Pesci from from someone like that.

18:25 Is that something is that something that is important to you as an actor,

18:28 that sometimes silence is as valuable as a great line?

18:31 Oh, yeah.

18:32 I mean, I I always take away lines from scripts.

18:37 I don't from my dialogue.

18:39 I don't because I think a lot of times writers will when

18:44 I might consider overwrite in order to get the information across or whatever.

18:52 And a lot of times you don't need that.

18:55 You don't Let Let me I'll take care of it.

18:58 I don't need to say that.

19:00 The way I walk into a room with one look you can you can cut three lines.

19:06 Yeah.

19:07 Yeah.

19:06 probably tied often maybe to a younger

19:08 actor who thinks they have to over deliver.

19:11 And it's the maybe the confidence of no with an eyebrow raised,

19:14 with a look, you can convey

19:16 Yeah, and a lot of times actors want more lines.

19:18 At my age, I don't want any lines.

19:22 Cuz I can't can't remember them, you know.

19:27 So, as I alluded to before,

19:28 it took a long time to get to this place where the sequel arrived.

19:30 Like, was there Did Did you have input like in terms of what you didn't want

19:34 to see for your character or did want to see for Nigel all these years later?

19:38 Was there anything that would would have been a deal breaker for you?

19:42 Um I I didn't want to see um I

19:47 didn't want to it for it to be too self-referential.

19:52 You know what I mean?

19:53 I mean, this is vaguely self-referential.

19:57 It's a balance.

19:58 It's walking a tightrope.

19:59 it's a balance, and you have to find the right thing.

20:01 You can't just suddenly try to repeat all the things

20:04 that were successful in the in the first film.

20:07 It has to have moved on.

20:09 What I liked about it was that Nigel was very much the same person.

20:15 And he's just as Emily described, just a little more world-weary.

20:21 Um and I think the scene that I thought was so well written um where she

20:30 comes in and explains to me what's happening

20:31 with that the whole thing is really falling apart,

20:34 and I pay no attention to it at all.

20:37 I completely ignore it and move on to what's in front of me.

20:42 To let her know like it's not a conversation that we need to have.

20:46 Just a resignation of this is the life that I've chosen.

20:49 Yeah, but also that he's always working on something behind the scenes.

20:55 Right.

20:56 Yeah.

20:57 Right.

20:56 He knows everything.

20:59 Right.

21:00 Everything.

21:02 Um I referenced when I saw the trailer,

21:03 and I told you backstage you've cracked the code, sir.

21:05 Toochie in Italy is the gift that keeps on giving

21:07 for all of us and I'm hopefully for you.

21:09 Hopefully you're getting a modicum of as much enjoyment

21:12 as we all are out of the show cuz it's fantastic.

21:15 Thank you.

21:15 It's coming back on May 11th on Nat Geo.

21:18 Um Italy, you spent time in Italy growing up.

21:22 Yes?

21:22 Was did you I mean has this kind of not

21:25 that you needed a stronger bond with the country

21:27 but what has this done for your own ties

21:29 to to Italy to shoot this show the last few years?

21:32 Oh, it's it's been incredible.

21:34 I always loved Italy.

21:35 I lived there I lived in Florence when I was 12, 13.

21:39 So this is 19 73 and I it was just incredible.

21:46 You know, coming from Westchester, New York, I'd never been on a plane before.

21:50 I'd maybe been in New York City once or twice.

21:53 It was life-changing and that without question informed my how I saw

22:01 the world and what kind of world I wanted to live in.

22:05 And I always and I realized as I got older and I traveled

22:09 to Europe that I felt more comfortable in Europe than I did living in America.

22:15 And I'm I going to Italy I felt incredibly comfortable.

22:20 I don't know that I'd want to live there cuz there are so many Italians.

22:25 But that's the thing, isn't it?

22:27 Yeah.

22:27 Yeah, you know, I got to But terrible joke.

22:33 [laughter] Um But there's Yeah,

22:37 there I think it's it is there is something truly I hate to use

22:41 the word but magical about Italy

22:43 and those people who have survived countless invasions.

22:49 Uh countless corrupt, inept governments and yet they persevere.

22:59 Yeah.

22:58 What do you at this point judge a good Italian restaurant on?

23:02 What's the dish they need to do right in order to pass the Stanley Tucci test?

23:08 Every dish.

23:10 [laughter] Yeah.

23:11 I mean Yeah.

23:13 For Look, for me I I I think one

23:17 of the most difficult dishes to make is a risotto.

23:20 Right?

23:20 In any form.

23:22 If you if if a restaurant can make a good risotto,

23:26 it means that they can usually make everything else pretty well.

23:31 Have you ever been to an Olive Garden in your life?

23:44 Yes.

23:46 I was making a movie years ago in Salt Lake City.

23:53 I didn't know where to eat.

23:56 I went to the that place.

24:00 [laughter]

24:03 And you know, I I still bear the scars.

24:08 Yeah.

24:10 Yeah.

24:10 It was Yeah, I mean, not to I'm not one Look, in the books I've written,

24:14 if I go to a restaurant and I don't like it, I never name it, I never anything.

24:19 But come on.

24:22 Really?

24:24 Right?

24:25 I mean, they do offer as many breadsticks as you can possibly want.

24:31 Yep.

24:33 Yep.

24:34 You've lost one endorsement deal.

24:36 Yeah, I know.

24:37 Yeah.

24:39 [laughter]

24:40 Yeah.

24:41 Um Yeah, how many cooking competition series have you said no to?

24:44 I would imagine

24:45 A lot.

24:46 Right?

24:46 I don't like them.

24:47 I don't like um com- uh competitions when it comes to art or food.

24:54 I think it's silly.

24:55 I know they're hugely successful, but I just find it false and weird.

25:03 To me, cooking is should be the opposite of that.

25:08 It should be a thing that brings people together, not separates them.

25:13 A thing that allows for communion, not for competition.

25:21 What about competition in the arts?

25:24 I still find it strange.

25:27 Yeah.

25:26 Yeah, I do.

25:27 I mean, it's wonderful when you get nominated for stuff,

25:30 it's wonderful when you get an award,

25:32 but do I really believe You know, cuz my dad was an art teacher,

25:35 and he always said, "How am I supposed to grade

25:39 this and this and this?" They're all different people,

25:43 and they're all different perceptions of what they're seeing.

25:48 It's completely subjective.

25:51 So, how do you grade that?

25:53 How do you say you're the best actor?

25:56 Doesn't make any sense.

25:58 Do you know what I mean?

25:59 Yeah, absolutely.

25:59 [clears throat] I guess one way to judge is by the staying power of art.

26:04 Here's my segue.

26:05 30 years ago, Big Night came out.

26:10 Mhm.

26:09 And has it stood the test of time?

26:12 Yeah.

26:14 Thanks.

26:14 I mean, that was a very important film for you,

26:18 fair to say, as an actor, as a co-director, as a co-writer.

26:22 Did a lot for your career,

26:23 and it's still arguably the greatest food cooking movie of all time,

26:28 among other distinctions.

26:30 Um are you astounded by that film's staying power?

26:35 Yeah.

26:35 I am.

26:37 I am.

26:38 I think Yeah, we had no idea that it was going to be,

26:43 you know, what it became, this sort of cult classic, I suppose.

26:47 Because we just wanted to tell the story we wanted to tell.

26:49 When my cousin and I were writing it,

26:52 we we're just trying to focus on the truth of those of those people

26:57 and make it a character-driven film as opposed to a plot-driven film,

27:02 and a film that um used food to tell

27:07 the story of the struggle between commerce and art.

27:12 Right.

27:11 And and a story that had an ambiguous ending.

27:15 An ending that you might see in a foreign film or something.

27:20 Um but we had no idea.

27:22 We had no idea, but I'm I'm I'm so happy.

27:26 It It It It changed my life because it it

27:31 allowed me a sort of entree into the world of food.

27:39 Yeah.

27:37 And I'm really thankful for that.

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29:25 You have over, I believe, 140 screen credits.

29:30 Really?

29:30 Yes, it's and we're going to cover them all today.

29:32 Oh god.

29:34 [laughter] What's the one or two that people bring up

29:36 to you that brings a smile to your face?

29:37 Maybe the ones that, I mean, I brought up to you in the past.

29:40 I love, another film you directed was The Imposters,

29:42 this farce, which I'm Yes, I'm Where's the applause, guys?

29:47 [laughter] Well, Yeah.

29:49 The Imposters.

29:50 particular Oh, thank you.

29:51 Thank you.

29:52 Yeah, it was it was a huge bomb.

29:56 I mean, it was it was unfortunately, but thank you for saying that.

29:59 There are people who really love it.

30:00 I'm one of them.

30:01 There The reviews were so terrible that there

30:05 was one review that was really good, in The Washington Post.

30:08 There you go.

30:09 That was about it.

30:10 And then, the rest of them were so bad, someone said,

30:14 "The only thing I can say about Stanley Tucci's

30:17 second movie is that I wish he hadn't made it."

30:22 That's I mean, it's good writing.

30:23 That's a good one.

30:24 It's excellent writing.

30:25 Excellent Yeah, excellent writing.

30:26 It's like what Walter Winchell said about the watching a play.

30:30 He said, "Unfortunately, I saw when the curtain was up." Yeah.

30:35 [laughter]

30:38 So, Imposters might bring a smile to your face.

30:41 Do any others obscure ones that maybe missed

30:43 the mark for whatever reason with the box

30:45 office or folks at the time time have a special place in your heart?

30:49 Yeah, this movie I did with Colin Firth about 6 years ago um called Supernova.

30:56 Yeah.

30:56 I think it's Harry McQueen directed it.

30:58 I think it's just one of the most beautiful movies ever and that I've

31:03 certainly been a part of but even just as a movie looking at it objectively,

31:07 I think it's beautiful.

31:08 Colin's extraordinary Harris writing and direction is are just extraordinary.

31:13 Um and it's very touching about, you know,

31:16 a gay couple who have one of whom has early onset Alzheimer's.

31:22 Yeah.

31:23 Um I think it's beautiful and I think it got a bit lost.

31:26 It was during COVID and all that and I I wish that they

31:30 had just waited to release it when that whole thing was over.

31:34 Where does I mean another I mean, you know,

31:37 it can be a tough sell for folks watch

31:39 this deeply moving but beautiful movie about dementia, Alzheimer's.

31:42 I mean, similarly like I mean, The Lovely Bones, that's a tough one.

31:46 That's a tough that's a tough role.

31:47 That's a role that you got Oscar nominated for.

31:51 Yeah.

31:52 Um do do roles like that take a toll on you?

31:54 Are you able to compartmentalize when you're doing something like that?

31:56 That one did take a toll on me.

31:58 I found that really difficult.

32:01 Um only because I don't you know, there's so much stuff about serial killers.

32:07 Every other channel there's something about a serial killer.

32:09 I can't bear it.

32:11 Like I don't I don't watch it and anything where a kid in particular gets hurt,

32:16 I have great difficulty with that.

32:19 Um but I I did it because it was

32:24 so beautifully written and it was Peter Jackson directing it.

32:30 Um and I thought, "Okay, I'll I'll do it, you know." Yeah.

32:37 And I tried to get out of it.

32:38 I needed a job, too.

32:40 It wasn't like you know.

32:42 And Peter I said, "Peter, why?" We had this like satellite call,

32:47 you know, before the Zoom and everything.

32:49 And he was in in New Zealand and he said, I said, "Why do you Why me?

32:53 Why do you want me to do" He goes,

32:55 "Cuz you're funny." And I was like, "Well, you're crazy."

33:00 Yeah.

33:00 Um [laughter]

33:01 But I understood what he was saying.

33:03 I understood what he was saying that I wouldn't do a sort of mustache

33:08 twirling thing that to me the character had to be no matter whom you're playing.

33:15 I played Adolf Eichmann in Conspiracy.

33:21 But Eichmann was a human being.

33:24 Yeah.

33:23 That's We don't want to admit that.

33:26 That's your job as an It's Yeah, it's what Hannah Arendt said,

33:30 which is, you know, there's the banality of evil.

33:33 And that's what um you know, Mr.

33:37 Harvey was in the in The Lovely Bones.

33:41 He was the truly the banality of evil.

33:45 And the way I wanted him to look, which was completely like beige.

33:51 Right.

33:51 Right.

33:51 That's what he had He couldn't look like me in 1970s you know, suburbia.

33:58 You'd stick out like a sore thumb.

34:00 So the hair had to be lighter, the eyes had to be blue,

34:03 the skin had to be paler, the mustache,

34:06 and all the even what he wore was innocuous.

34:11 You'd never know he was there.

34:14 That's what That's what

34:17 That's

34:16 I wanted to get to and which we did get to.

34:19 It's the scariest kind of evil,

34:20 the kind that you can that's in plain sight that you miss.

34:24 Yes.

34:24 Yes.

34:24 I mean, you have had so many different iconic looks throughout your career.

34:29 You've You've every hairstyle, facial hair, I mean, truly.

34:35 Can a Can a bad wig compromise a performance?

34:38 Oh, yeah.

34:39 Oh, yeah.

34:40 I've had a few movies where if the wig isn't

34:43 right or the You can have a beautiful wig made,

34:47 but if the person who's putting it on doesn't know how to do it,

34:51 it it just looks like a bad wig.

34:54 Then I've had that.

34:55 Do you remember the first time you saw yourself as Caesar

34:57 Flickerman and how did you feel about that very subtle look?

35:04 Yeah.

35:03 I was thrilled.

35:05 I loved it.

35:07 I loved it.

35:09 Yeah.

35:08 But that was Ve, this incredible makeup artist who who did that.

35:12 And we talked about it.

35:13 We talked through it.

35:14 You know, they taped my I said, "I want to look like he has,

35:16 you know, face work." So we tape everything back, put on the thing.

35:20 I said, "I want a real like a fake tan." I wanted

35:23 him to be a cross between um Oh god, what's his name?

35:27 He was a Las Vegas performer.

35:30 Oh, I can't remember.

35:31 Wayne Newton like a

35:32 Wayne Newton, yeah.

35:32 Wayne Newton and I said I said Oh god, what's his name?

35:39 I don't know.

35:39 I can't remember.

35:40 Anyone.

35:40 It's been a president.

35:42 anyway, another a talk show host.

35:46 Yeah.

35:44 And but like taken to the extreme.

35:47 Fake teeth.

35:48 I tried to do a nose to make it look like he had like a really awful nose job,

35:54 but it was too complicated.

35:55 We couldn't do it.

35:58 [laughter]

35:58 And now Kieran Culkin is getting a shot

36:00 at at Caesar Flickerman apparently in the new Hunger Games.

36:02 Oh, is that true?

36:04 Yeah.

36:04 Oh.

36:05 Yeah.

36:05 Good for him.

36:06 You don't size.

36:11 I'm no body language expert, but Yeah.

36:15 Okay, moving on.

36:16 He's a No, he's wonderful, that guy.

36:18 He's a That's a really good actor.

36:21 What are for you now the deal breakers in a in a script?

36:26 What do you look for in a script?

36:27 What do you find you respond to nowadays?

36:29 Night shoots.

36:31 You want night shoots?

36:32 No, I don't want night shoots.

36:35 [laughter]

36:34 No, I don't want night shoots and I don't want it

36:37 to be too far away from my family for too long.

36:41 Yeah.

36:41 Tho- those are two really important things for me.

36:44 Obviously, the quality of the script, who's directing it,

36:48 you know, who's in it and all that stuff.

36:50 U- ultimately, it's do do I read this thing and think,

36:54 "Oh, yeah, there's something there you can sink your teeth into."

36:58 Yeah.

36:57 I mean, looking at your career, even even the early roles when you're doing like

37:01 the bit parts in the in the early '90s,

37:03 you're working for this amazing If I rattled

37:05 off the list of directors that Samuel L.

37:07 Jackson has worked with, well, he he he got them all.

37:09 He've done them all.

37:09 It seems that way at least.

37:11 Was there Are there one or two that you found you were

37:13 in the most from that you enjoyed the collaboration that stand out for you?

37:17 Oh, yeah.

37:18 Um [clears throat] I think Alan Pakula,

37:21 I played a small role in The Pelican Brief.

37:24 And he was so like he was one of my favorite directors

37:27 of all time and to work with him, to watch him work.

37:30 He was a really nice man, too.

37:33 Um to watch him work, to watch him set up these shots that would you know,

37:38 they'd be days setting up a shot,

37:41 you know, while they were shooting other stuff.

37:42 And cuz he wanted to shoot it all in one, you know, he was like the king of the

37:47 Like the master of the wonders.

37:48 Yeah.

37:48 Yeah.

37:49 So beautiful.

37:51 So brilliant.

37:52 Um I think working with Steven Spielberg was uh just incredible.

37:57 Incredible.

37:58 That mind My sister-in-law just worked with him and she said the same thing.

38:02 It's just like to watch him, the prowess is like is extraordinary.

38:09 The mind is pure cinema.

38:11 It's like he invented cinema.

38:13 Kind of feels that the ability to not only

38:15 like think ahead of time and storyboard like anybody,

38:17 but also be loose enough to kind of impro- like come up with new ideas and

38:21 Oh, yeah.

38:22 Oh yeah, we were just watching I had like one day off the other day and we we

38:29 were my wife and I were watching Raiders

38:31 of the Lost Ark and you're like That is unbelievable.

38:37 Like the shots if you look at them it's very

38:41 [snorts] go back and look at it because there's so many shots that are

38:44 masters that you don't know are masters because they're so beautifully composed.

38:50 It's not just a master where I set up a you know

38:53 you know 20 mm lens and I'm just shooting a big wide shot.

38:56 It's like he's got Harrison Ford in the foreground here.

39:00 He's got another guy here.

39:01 He's got another guy in the background

39:02 and that shot will play for like 3 minutes.

39:05 But you don't even know it.

39:07 And that's the genius of him and then he cuts right when he's supposed to cut.

39:13 It's incredible.

39:15 I've heard like Noah and Steven Soderbergh always talks about like Spielberg.

39:18 That was it that's his gift blocking.

39:20 Like he can block

39:22 Woah.

39:22 like nobody else.

39:23 Nobody else.

39:24 For you like I I heard you you talk a little bit about you're also in Citadel.

39:27 Like there's I don't know how you're working

39:28 on all these things but like you're also

39:30 doing like action in Citadel which is something

39:31 you haven't done much of in your career.

39:34 that was fun.

39:35 Yeah, was that on the list?

39:36 Was that and how did it feel to actually kind of get around to the run around?

39:38 loved it.

39:39 We did the first season and I didn't really have any of that stuff

39:42 and then Joe Russo you know we're going to do another season.

39:46 He reshot a lot of the first season

39:48 and then in the second season he goes Stanley,

39:53 I'm going to give you I want to do

39:55 this scene where you just kill a whole lot of people.

40:00 [laughter]

39:59 And I was like great, you know.

40:02 Cuz I'm angry.

40:03 For no reason.

40:05 Uh and he said yeah, I want to do this thing and I have an idea how to do it.

40:08 I want to do it all in one shot and there are two sequences in the series.

40:13 One is for the most part the second bit

40:16 of it is all in one shot and it's really cool.

40:20 And the other one is a fight scene that goes on forever.

40:26 You know, and I basically had to like go to a chiropractor after it.

40:30 But it was it was a joy for me.

40:34 I think particularly at my age and I'm I'm a very physical person.

40:37 I like all that.

40:38 I'm very sort of, you know, love playing sports and all that.

40:42 So, to do that was like a great joy.

40:45 Now, they they call it when you're my age, they call it Jerry action.

40:50 [laughter]

40:53 That's amazing.

40:55 Like Liam Neeson started his action career I feel like in his 70s.

40:58 It's

40:58 Look, I'm telling you Liam it's incredible.

41:02 It's incredible.

41:03 Those

41:04 This is your next act.

41:05 Taken movies?

41:06 Yeah.

41:07 You ready?

41:07 It's I'm ready.

41:08 All right, bring

41:09 Sure.

41:10 Yeah.

41:11 Taken.

41:11 Yeah.

41:12 Took will be mine.

41:13 [laughter] He took.

41:17 No, that's not good.

41:18 Yeah.

41:18 The hunt for a great risotto starring Stanley Tucci.

41:23 [laughter] Do you remember the last time you ever had to audition?

41:26 I assume it's been many, many, many years.

41:28 Okay, the last time I auditioned

41:30 Yeah.

41:31 ironically was for Steven Spielberg.

41:33 Oh, Terminal.

41:34 Not for that not for the Terminal.

41:36 It was after the Terminal.

41:38 I know.

41:39 Yeah, rude.

41:40 After the Terminal.

41:41 We thought all these nice things and that.

41:43 I know.

41:44 I know after the Terminal he was doing um Lincoln.

41:49 Yes.

41:48 And I was doing a movie in London.

41:51 And he said would you come in and audition?

41:55 And I was like, oh boy, I don't know.

41:57 I don't know.

41:58 I guess.

41:59 It was a sort of quite uncomfortable.

42:01 But it was Daniel Day Lewis obviously and they wanted to hear it, you know.

42:05 And I it was them, so I was perfectly fine.

42:09 But they didn't cast me.

42:12 Um but he did send me a beautiful hamper from Fortnum& Mason.

42:15 So, that was

42:17 Everybody won.

42:17 Yeah, that was nice.

42:18 Yeah, and the movie was good and I wasn't right for the role.

42:22 Right.

42:22 I wasn't right for the role.

42:23 Mary Todd and you know, so it's Yeah.

42:27 I was like, "Why don't you call Sally Field?"

42:30 [laughter] [laughter]

42:38 I apologize if these seem very random.

42:40 What's the happiest you've ever been to receive an offer for a film?

42:43 Is there one Maybe it was early on in the career.

42:46 Maybe it was later.

42:48 A phone call, an email, I've made it.

42:51 I've I've achieved some level of something here.

42:56 Oh, gosh.

42:56 Um Well, I think The Devil Wears Prada was one.

43:02 Yeah.

43:01 And yeah, and I think um Yeah, I think Steven's movie, too.

43:07 I was really excited about that.

43:09 I was very excited to work with him.

43:11 Yeah.

43:13 When young actors ask you for career or actual acting advice,

43:17 what's your what's your go-to?

43:19 I said, "Fuck off."

43:22 [laughter]

43:22 Stop trying to take my roles.

43:23 This is yeah.

43:26 Yeah.

43:26 Healthy, come on.

43:27 Yeah.

43:27 You'll get your time.

43:29 Yeah.

43:29 Uh no, I don't [laughter] Sorry.

43:33 No.

43:32 You told me to be polite.

43:34 Backstage, you told me to be polite backstage.

43:37 Um I I don't I really don't know.

43:42 I often I don't know what to say.

43:43 I only say like you know, in essence, be true to yourself.

43:48 Stick with it.

43:50 I you know, I don't I don't know what to say.

43:52 I I suppose also what I say is, "Don't act." Right.

43:57 I mean, how much for you in your in your career as you look back,

44:00 was it has it been does it continue to be technique versus an innate gift,

44:07 a timing, just a natural proclivity.

44:12 Yeah, I think I think you have talent or you don't have talent.

44:17 It can't be taught.

44:19 It's either there or it's not there.

44:21 Right?

44:24 Yeah.

44:22 And then it's really a matter of how you shape

44:26 it and you must acquire a a certain amount of technique,

44:34 but you can't become mired in technique.

44:37 And you always have to keep you always have to keep an open mind.

44:44 You always have to listen.

44:47 What you do in the acting is exactly what you have to do in life.

44:53 It's exactly the same.

44:55 Even though Tom Stoppard did say, "We're actors,

44:57 we're the opposite of people." Which is very true, and yet at the same time,

45:02 the lessons that we learn as actors can very easily be applied to our lives,

45:10 which is stay stay in the moment, be connected,

45:14 listen, expand your peripheral vision, get rid of your ideas.

45:24 It's interesting because I could I imagine also you've been in that situation,

45:27 you've worked with every kind of actor where they've kind

45:29 of created that performance in the trailer by themselves in isolation,

45:33 and it's almost like they're performing it for themselves

45:35 and not reacting to who else is in the scene.

45:37 Yeah, it's torture.

45:40 Right.

45:39 It's not fun to work with.

45:41 Um and you see people there are certain actors who will Is it over?

45:48 [laughter]

45:53 Like in the middle of a sentence?

45:56 [laughter]

45:58 Did There'll be a trapdoor at some point.

45:59 I I I Yeah.

45:59 Come out.

46:00 Yeah.

46:01 Um Uh That's the Stanley Kubrick What was I saying?

46:09 What was it What were we talking about?

46:10 Oh, oh, an actor in their own head, that's not

46:12 Oh, yeah.

46:13 Like some actors, yeah, they come in and they have this idea,

46:16 particularly young actors will do this.

46:18 They have this idea what they're going to do,

46:20 and you're like, don't worry about it.

46:22 Do you know the lines?

46:23 Yeah, great.

46:24 Say it.

46:25 Just say it.

46:26 Talk to me.

46:27 Don't It is a performance, but don't perform.

46:34 Just talk to me.

46:36 If you talk to me, people will lean in.

46:40 If you're talking If you're trying to talk

46:42 to them by pretending you're not talking to them, they won't be interested.

46:50 Yeah.

46:50 Easier said than done, but true.

46:52 It's actually a lot easier than you think.

46:55 Again, we have to get rid of our ideas of what of what acting is.

47:01 Well, also so much of it and having been on a set or two,

47:03 I it's shutting out the noise, right?

47:05 It's It's being with your screen partner and forgetting all of this, which

47:10 I I would argue is one of the the real tricks.

47:13 It is.

47:13 That's That's That's the key.

47:15 Is that it takes place in this sort of other world,

47:19 but it's it's it's a real world Yeah.

47:22 for that moment.

47:24 Yes.

47:23 And then it's gone.

47:25 Is there an actor that I'm sure there are many actors you

47:27 grew up watching that you came to either work with or befriend,

47:31 which I don't know, in my business it's the same thing.

47:33 When you start to know people that you grew up watching,

47:35 it's a surreal amazing thing.

47:37 For you, are any of those It's weird, yeah.

47:40 Like Bob De Niro's one, Meryl.

47:43 I mean, Meryl and I are 11 years apart, but you know, [clears throat]

47:48 seeing her on stage when I was young, seeing her in movies,

47:52 I was completely you you you're gobsmacked by that talent, that extreme talent.

47:59 Then suddenly you're like hanging out and then suddenly you're doing a movie,

48:02 then suddenly you're married in a movie and you know and then

48:06 you get to a point where like leave me alone, Meryl.

48:11 Right?

48:12 The texts.

48:13 We got it, Meryl.

48:14 Yeah, it's like yeah, whatever.

48:17 [laughter] Yeah.

48:18 You can speak at my star ceremony.

48:20 All right, yeah.

48:21 Just saying get out of there, you know.

48:25 Sorry.

48:26 Looking ahead, I hope we get more Toochy in Italy.

48:28 That's just me selfishly speaking.

48:30 I think it's I mean Prada has made a gazillion dollars.

48:33 That's official.

48:34 You're not going to wait another 20 years.

48:35 There's going to be another one.

48:36 Oh, sure.

48:38 Yeah, though in 20 years though it'll be

48:40 Emily and and Annie coming to visit our tombstones.

48:45 You know, our gra- it's like what's that movie?

48:51 Come on.

48:52 20 years.

48:55 This is It'll take place in a nursing home, you know.

49:01 [laughter] Sorry.

49:04 So you'd like it to happen but a little sooner.

49:07 Yeah.

49:07 Yeah.

49:09 Yeah.

49:08 Yeah, while I can still walk.

49:09 Yeah.

49:11 It would be great.

49:11 I would love it.

49:12 We had such a good time.

49:14 There are Look, those three women are just amazing.

49:18 Amazing, amazing actors, amazing people.

49:23 Yeah.

49:22 All right, we end Happy Sad Confused the same

49:24 way every time with our profoundly random questions, Stanley.

49:26 Are you ready?

49:30 Yeah.

49:29 Dogs or cats?

49:32 [sighs and gasps] Dogs.

49:36 Okay.

49:36 Thank you.

49:39 You You passed the test at least with the majority in the audience.

49:43 What do you collect, if anything?

49:44 What do I collect?

49:46 Yeah.

49:49 Um I Oh, well art art work.

49:52 Yeah, you know, prints and things like that.

49:55 Um, I like to collect, um, you know, old cigarette tins.

50:01 I think those are really beautiful.

50:04 Yeah.

50:05 Yeah.

50:06 I don't you don't strike me as a video game player, but prove me wrong.

50:09 Have you ever liked a video game, a favorite video game of all time?

50:13 No.

50:14 Okay.

50:14 No, I I don't I don't get it.

50:16 Yeah.

50:18 Yeah.

50:18 The Dakota Johnson memorial question she asked me this.

50:21 I ask everybody, would you rather have a mouthful

50:23 of bees or one bee in your butt?

50:31 Don't look for help from them.

50:32 This is on you.

50:33 Who Who Is that somebody in the audience?

50:36 was Dakota Johnson.

50:37 I mentioned her backstage.

50:38 Oh, right.

50:39 Oh, yeah.

50:41 I'll take a bee in the butt, I guess.

50:45 That's all I needed.

50:45 Thank you.

50:46 That was the quote.

50:46 I can't wait to meet her.

50:49 Yeah.

50:50 What's the What's the wallpaper on your phone?

50:54 Oh, my three older children a quite a few years ago in Sicily.

51:00 Yeah.

51:01 Oh, boy.

51:02 Who's the last actor you were mistaken for?

51:05 [laughter] Um, Mark Strong, always.

51:09 Yeah, and he we get complimented on each other's performances.

51:14 That's really a great He's such a nice person and I mean,

51:17 I'm so He's such a great actor.

51:19 I'm very flattered.

51:20 You know, I just go, "Thank you very much." You know.

51:23 All attractive bald men do not look alike, folks.

51:26 Come on.

51:27 we do.

51:28 Yeah.

51:29 What's the worst note a director has ever given you?

51:34 [laughter] Oh, I don't I don't really know cuz I'm usually block it out.

51:39 But, um, one of the best best and worst notes I ever had was from Herb Ross,

51:46 who was notoriously mean.

51:48 He was not mean to me.

51:50 Um and he [laughter] I did a take in that movie.

51:55 I was telling you Undercover Blues.

51:57 And he and he went He came up to me and he went You He's huge.

52:03 And looked at me and he said Do it better.

52:10 And I went Oh, yeah.

52:12 All right.

52:13 All right.

52:13 I'll do it better.

52:13 Yeah, that makes sense.

52:15 Yeah.

52:17 Yeah.

52:17 Didn't expect Undercover Blues to come up so much tonight.

52:19 Yeah, I know.

52:20 Who knew?

52:21 I know.

52:21 Um and finally, in the spirit of Happy Sad Confused,

52:23 who's an actor who always makes you happy when you see them on screen?

52:27 An actor who always makes me happy when I see him on screen?

52:30 You're in a better mood immediately.

52:31 Oh, there are so many of them.

52:33 Uh Paul Rudd is one.

52:35 I know he's coming here, right?

52:36 You said.

52:37 here soon.

52:38 Uh oh, I just I just adore him.

52:41 Cate Blanchett.

52:42 You know.

52:43 So many of them.

52:45 Movie that makes you sad.

52:48 A movie that makes me sad?

52:50 Oof.

52:51 Well, sad and happy.

52:55 Yeah.

52:56 Um um The Sound of Music.

53:01 Mhm.

53:00 Yeah, I cry every time.

53:02 Uh and well, also like Tarkovsky's The Sacrifice.

53:07 So that, you know, but that's pretty extreme sadness.

53:10 Yeah.

53:12 Um and a food that makes you confused.

53:15 You don't get it.

53:15 Why do people eat this?

53:18 Besides the breadsticks from Olive Garden.

53:20 I know obvious.

53:24 Why do people eat this?

53:25 Oh.

53:27 Yeah.

53:29 Um I think like a lot of those like gummy um sweet things.

53:39 Sure.

53:40 I don't get it.

53:42 No.

53:41 No, it kind of grosses me out.

53:43 I don't have a sweet tooth necessarily.

53:48 But that kind of stuff and also when people are like, "Hey, taste this.

53:52 This is the hottest thing you'll ever eat." And you're like, "Why?

53:56 Why do that?" Why?

53:59 This is going to really eff you up, man.

54:01 Yeah, I love that.

54:01 I'm like, "No.

54:03 No, I want to taste the food." Yeah.

54:05 You know what I mean?

54:06 It's like really sweet drinks.

54:08 I don't want to taste that.

54:09 I want to taste the alcohol.

54:13 Yeah.

54:12 It doesn't [laughter] It sounds terrible.

54:17 There's our It's like mold wine.

54:19 I don't want mold wine.

54:20 I want wine.

54:23 Yeah.

54:24 You could have done Hot Ones tonight, but you did Happy Sad Confused.

54:27 I appreciate that.

54:28 You you said no to hot wings, you said yes to me.

54:31 Um thank you so much for doing this tonight.

54:33 There's I mean, the tip of the iceberg.

54:35 Um I'll just say before we go [applause] Tucci Tucci in Italy, not Gio.

54:42 Premieres next week.

54:43 Check it out, support it.

54:45 And of course, as if it needs more help, but The Devil Wears Prada 2.

54:48 Give it another gazillion dollars if you can.

54:51 Stanley Tucci, everybody.

54:53 Thank you.

54:54 Thank you all so much.

54:55 You've been so nice.

54:56 Thank you.

54:58 [applause] [music] And so ends another edition of Happy Sad Confused.

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