J.C. Polanco and political consultant O'Brien Murray full interview on "The Point' 5.3.26

0:00 I am joined now by JC Palano,

0:02 a lawyer and professor at the University of Mount St.

0:04 Vincent's and political consultant O'Brien Murray.

0:08 And of course, I think the first thing we

0:09 have to talk about is the mayor and the king.

0:13 What about him deciding to tell the king, give back the diamond?

0:19 It was a missed opportunity for all New Yorkers.

0:22 Even Governor Hokll got it right according

0:24 to reports when she spoke to the king.

0:25 She spoke about econ economic development,

0:28 what the United Kingdom is to New York,

0:31 coming together, what we can do for jobs.

0:33 What about tourism?

0:34 What about the World Cup?

0:35 What about all these fantastic international things?

0:38 Be positive, embrace it,

0:40 and want him and his people to come here

0:42 as much as they can to help all New Yorkers.

0:45 Look, the mayor said he wasn't going

0:47 to get involved in international affairs, right?

0:49 And yet he did.

0:51 I remember that in the debate getting a round of applause.

0:54 The truth is he gets involved in international affairs all the time.

0:56 Well, he said he was going to arrest Baby Nat, right?

0:58 That that except for that, right?

1:00 But you know what?

1:00 The virtual signaling is on high alert with the mayor.

1:03 It's on high alert 24/7.

1:05 Any opportunity to virtue signal.

1:06 I think you're right.

1:07 I think you would have talked about economic development with the king.

1:10 Talk about the future.

1:11 Talk about how they can work together to bring jobs across the pond.

1:14 Don't you think he decided to say

1:16 that because it comes from where he comes from?

1:18 I mean, he grew up in Uganda.

1:20 His parents are um from India.

1:23 But Marsha was it was sort of like in his DNA.

1:26 He was there because he's the mayor of New York, not because of where he's from.

1:31 But I I think that's great.

1:32 And if if all my history professors out there, you know, exactly.

1:35 Let's let's talk about India and Eastern Africa.

1:37 I want to talk about all of the things that India

1:39 and many parts of of uh southern Asia stole from Eastern Africa.

1:43 Let's have a conversation about the history of theft if we would like.

1:46 But the virtual signaling,

1:47 this was all about virtual signaling to his to his base.

1:49 And you know, fine, he got his couple of points in, but I think

1:52 there could have been an opportunity for there

1:54 to be discussions about about economic development.

1:56 That's a crown choice.

1:57 Should he have been warmer to the king?

1:58 Should he have invited him to Gracie Mansion?

2:00 Should he have invited him to city hall?

2:02 Should he have given him a key to the city?

2:04 Should have done something.

2:05 You're the host.

2:06 He's the guest.

2:07 You take care of your guest and you embrace them and welcome them

2:10 to this great city and show him the city and invite him to so many things.

2:14 He'll say, "I've got to come back here again and do this."

2:16 But that's not realistic.

2:17 We're talking about a mayor who rose up the ranks by virtue signaling.

2:20 How in the world do you invite the king

2:22 the king of England over to Gracie Mansion and give

2:25 him the keys to the city when you've made

2:26 your name about being a a virtue signaling mayor?

2:28 I mean, he's not going to do that.

2:29 It doesn't fit his DNA.

2:30 However, I'll tell you this.

2:32 Other even if they had a leftist bent, were nice to kings and queens.

2:38 I agree with you, Marca.

2:39 And guess what?

2:40 The mayor would roll out the red carpet

2:41 if you happen to be anti-Jewish students in Colombia.

2:44 No problem.

2:44 the mayor would roll out the the red carpet

2:46 if you agree with his view of the world.

2:48 No problem.

2:48 But he's not going to do that with the king of England full.

2:51 He threatens to arrest BB.

2:52 He says he's not going to Israel and now he annoys the the the king of England.

2:57 I mean, what's next for this guy?

2:58 Well, so I want to talk about something else.

3:00 The mayor made that statement while he was doing an an an announcement

3:05 in the Bronx in the lobby of an apartment

3:08 building that was sort of in disrepair.

3:10 and he was announcing the office the first action

3:13 of the office of mass engagement which is basically a continuation

3:17 of his campaign where he's going to mobilize volunteers paid

3:21 to go around and get people to on specific issues.

3:25 In this case it was getting tenants

3:27 to testify at the at the rent guidelines board.

3:30 But the question I have for you is this.

3:32 Is it appropriate for the mayor of the city of New York,

3:36 especially in these tough budget times to take $2 million of city

3:40 funds and spend it basically on what appears to be a campaign,

3:45 like a political campaign?

3:46 Well, not not at all.

3:47 I think it's highly inappropriate.

3:48 The big, you know, I think he wants to take a page out

3:51 of President Trump by comingling the offices

3:54 uh that he represents with his campaigns.

3:56 Uh, but I think it's a big mistake using Gracie Mansion, for example,

4:00 as the stage for a political campaign

4:02 like he did with Assemblywoman Valdez yesterday.

4:05 Uh, you have him using this office of mass engagement,

4:08 which is a propaganda arm.

4:10 This is this is terrible.

4:11 Uh, by taxpayer dollars being used to promote a political agenda.

4:14 This is very bad.

4:15 And had this been Eric Adams, had this been Eric Adams,

4:19 there would have been hearings next

4:20 week and possible discussions about indictments.

4:23 But because the base likes him, no such thing.

4:25 Everyone applauded.

4:26 And I think it's a mistake.

4:27 I was appalled.

4:28 And the video that went with it.

4:29 When you have somebody wearing something

4:32 that offends any population in the city,

4:35 why is it going to have taxpayer dollars behind it?

4:38 Wait a minute.

4:39 Let's let's back up.

4:41 There was a video that was put out by the city and it had

4:44 people knocking on doors asking tenants if

4:46 they would testify at the rent guidelines hearings.

4:49 And what you're referring to is that one of the people

4:52 in the video was wearing the an Arab scarf,

4:56 a kafia, the black and white scarf

4:58 that people in Palestine and other Arab countries wear.

5:01 Is that correct?

5:02 That's correct.

5:02 But what this is is was on city taxpayers and it was a video

5:07 he's promoting that that in installs a hatred against the Jews across the world.

5:13 And if you're going to have that on city taxpayer dollars,

5:15 what's going to be next?

5:16 A Confederate flag in the background at this point?

5:18 This is ridiculous that this is going on in this city.

5:21 And he should have stopped it right now and he should pull the video right now.

5:24 Redo the video.

5:25 Have the same people in it if you want,

5:26 but do not have a symbol of hate like that for the Jews of New York City.

5:31 Look, the truth is that the kafia,

5:32 which which you're referring to, as being something that has

5:35 been symbolic for a lot of people in the Middle East, and at the same time,

5:38 it's something that a lot of my Jewish friends find absolutely appalling.

5:42 And but Palestinians, a symbol of resurgence.

5:45 Yeah.

5:45 But it's also a symbol of hate.

5:46 is a symbol of of terrorism for a lot of people,

5:48 especially in the Jewish community.

5:50 And that's why so many people that I've spoken to are offended by it.

5:53 But we have to remember that that symbol and a lot

5:55 of the things that we're seeing with our own eyes,

5:57 it's part of the Democratic Socialist of America.

5:59 There's not a candidate for D from the DSA that's running right now

6:02 in a primary that's not wearing the kafia in every single video on social media.

6:06 We see it everywhere.

6:07 So, I think it's symbolic of the DSA at this point and who they are.

6:11 So when you see the mayor using folks wearing that kind

6:14 of the kafia for for a commercial pushing up political

6:18 propaganda it should be concerning that he's crossing the line

6:20 from government to politics and we have to be very careful.

6:23 So let's talk about the mayor's political clout.

6:25 He's endorsed a number of people and races.

6:28 Some of them are coming up, but one just was held this past week when it

6:32 was looking he was backing uh Lindseay Boland to run

6:35 for city council to re replace Eric Botchner who went

6:38 on to the state senate and um he lost that race.

6:41 I mean Lindsay lost that race.

6:43 Carl Wilson who was Eric Botchner's chief

6:46 of staff won the race handily two to one.

6:50 So does that mean that the mayor's political clout

6:53 is not as much as he thought it was?

6:56 Well, I don't I don't see that.

6:57 I think the mayor is a rock star with the Democratic party right now.

7:00 He's an international figure.

7:01 He endorsed someone in a primary and we got to remember that seat

7:04 specifically has been very important for the LGBTQ

7:07 community here in New York, right?

7:08 So the idea that the community is going to turn its

7:11 back on someone with local ties the way that uh Wilson had.

7:13 So did he make a mistake?

7:15 That was a that was a very bad mistake.

7:17 And I hope that another mistake that we see down the pike is his endorsement

7:20 of Assemblywoman Valdez versus the borough president

7:22 of Queens Anton Reynoso who is the uh who

7:25 has received the endorsement of Nidia Velasquez

7:27 who is a complete rockstar in the Latino

7:28 community and the first Puerto Rican woman ever

7:30 elected to Congress who has endorsed Antonio Reynoso.

7:32 Here comes a mayor in his first few days

7:34 in office endorsing an assembly woman against the B president.

7:37 Big mistake.

7:38 Hope he wants to talk.

7:39 Come on JC, can I speak up at all?

7:40 The viewers know he takes all the time.

7:42 So So the reality is it was a rookie mistake.

7:45 He shouldn't have done it, especially at the 11th hour.

7:48 Yes, she supported him in his race for mayor.

7:50 If he didn't support her early on as he got near the end of this election,

7:53 he should have said to her, "I'm sorry,

7:55 I just can't do it." And lay it out for her because we

7:57 have this all the time in any any election we have going on.

8:00 There are people you should get endorsements from, you

8:02 expect them from that sit on the sidelines.

8:04 He could have sat on the sidelines and that would have

8:06 been a favor to her by not endorsing anybody at all.

8:09 Instead, he chose the losing horse and he went down with her like the Titanic.

8:13 It was It was much more than just Lizzie Boy.

8:14 was sending a message to former Governor Cuomo saying, "I got the president."

8:17 But he left the LGBTQ community out in the cold.

8:22 What does it say about his endorsement of other candidates?

8:25 I think it's too soon to tell.

8:26 But he endorsed them so early in the process.

8:29 Why did he do this one at the last minute when he had no chance of winning

8:33 it as everyone on the street was saying

8:35 and everybody else had already endorsed against her?

8:38 I it it just boggles the mind of the political ineptitude

8:41 and it makes me wonder who his consultants are around him,

8:43 who he's listening to and why he's listening.

8:46 We got 15 seconds.

8:47 Go ahead.

8:47 He has way too many great consultants.

8:49 He's a rock star in the Democratic party.

8:50 I would not look too much into this.

8:52 This is just a mistake, bump in the road for for this guy at this point.

8:55 Okay, we're going to have to leave it right there for now,

8:57 but our conversations continue right after the show

9:00 on our streaming channel CBS News New York.

9:06 We are back with O'Brien Murray and JC Palanco.

9:09 I'd like to continue this discussion of the endorsement.

9:11 What does this mean for the other endorsements he's made, Claire Valdez,

9:15 you talked about, but what about also

9:17 endorsing Brad Lander over sitting Congressman Dan Goldman?

9:21 I think when you look at it right now,

9:22 he won his race because against Andrew Cuomo two times and what he had was he

9:27 divided the left and he he he was able to to get just enough to get through.

9:32 Does his endorsement mean anything?

9:33 No, but but that's the thing.

9:34 I just think it's too narrow a thread for him right now.

9:38 Too too too narrow to to thread the needle on this right

9:41 now for him to get through and to help anybody get through it.

9:44 He's going to push him, but he's not going to bring him to finish.

9:46 He's a rockar.

9:47 He's a rockar Democratic party.

9:48 Of course it does.

9:49 Of course it matters.

9:51 Look, you want to have the endorsement of Donald Trump.

9:53 You want to have the endorsement of Mdani in these local races.

9:55 But wait a second.

9:56 So now we come to the fact

9:57 that in addition to Kathy Hulk running for re-election,

10:00 tons of people in the Assembly and the Senate,

10:03 all of them in fact are running for reelection in November.

10:06 There's a whole bunch of DSA candidates that are running there's

10:10 pressure from the the Democratic Socialist for him to endorse those candidates.

10:15 Does he endorse them?

10:16 And if he does, does he risk alienating

10:19 somebody like Carl Hasty who's going to find out because he doesn't want to have

10:23 his incumbent uh assemblyman challenged from the left?

10:28 I'm sorry, Marcia, but about 10 members of the legislators

10:30 in the last 5 years have lost their seats

10:32 to members of the DSA or DSA adjacent uh

10:35 insurgents and the numbers is going to keep growing.

10:38 And the reason why the number is going to keep growing is

10:39 that New York has a closed primary system unlike the rest of the country.

10:43 In New York, only Democrats are allowed to vote in Democratic primaries.

10:46 The problem is that wait,

10:47 the problem is that you have singledigit turnouts in a lot of these we're

10:51 going to have situations where the the assembly

10:53 is going to become much more DSA.

10:55 There's no question about it.

10:56 It's going to become it's yes, it's going to become more DSA,

10:59 but the challenge he has right now as mayor of New York City is if

11:03 he endorses against incumbents and he's going up

11:05 to Albany to try to get their support, whether it be the Senate or the Assembly.

11:09 The reason that the DSA candidates are winning at times is because they're going

11:12 against incumbents taking a chance and challenging

11:16 history and being the first ones out front

11:18 and they have their supporters turn out the vote in low turnout.

11:22 That's it, Obie.

11:23 That's it.

11:24 We have singledigit turnout in many of these districts.

11:28 You know that last year in the 20 in the 2025 mayoral primary.

11:32 82% 82% of Democrats stayed home in the June primary.

11:36 So the question is what do you think is going to happen?

11:39 Well DSA and communistleaning Democrats are going

11:42 to run the show because whoever wins

11:43 a primary in these Jerry Mander districts wins the general 100% of the time.

11:48 One of the things but this is also I believe right

11:51 now one of the first years we're having the statewide races.

11:54 the federal races and the assembly and senate races all

11:58 at the same time right now on the primary day.

12:00 That's where they win in the primary.

12:02 In the past, we had issues of redistricting and you had the federal

12:05 races moved and the turnout to your point was all moved down.

12:08 So right now we have a situation where if everyone's in there together,

12:11 that turnout should be much greater than it's been in the previous years.

12:14 So, since we're talking about voting and voting rights,

12:17 the Supreme Court had a decision

12:19 this past week about voting rights in Louisiana,

12:22 saying that they had uh inappropriately created a seat

12:26 that would guarantee the election of a black congressman.

12:29 That's having reverberations around the country,

12:32 and it's going to reverberate here

12:34 in New York where now lawmakers are considering

12:36 a midterm um reortionment or redrawing of seats

12:41 because they want to get rid of Republicans.

12:43 How do you feel about that?

12:45 I want to see nonpartisan elections.

12:46 I want to see nonpartisan gerrymandering.

12:49 I want to see nonpartisan redistricting.

12:50 Excuse me.

12:51 I don't want to see Jerry mandering anymore.

12:52 I think the Supreme Court made a big mistake

12:54 there because this is one of the one of the ideological lines.

12:57 The there was six conservatives against Reed Liberals.

13:00 And that's how it's going to happen.

13:01 and and and the warning for Democrats,

13:02 if they continue supporting anti-semitic uh candidates

13:06 for office and candidates that are socialists,

13:09 is that the country is going to turn its back on the Democratic party,

13:12 Jews are going to start leaving the Democratic party,

13:14 voting, if you're registering independents like me, voting elsewhere.

13:16 And what's going to happen is that you're

13:18 going to get many more Republicans elected.

13:20 And I'm going to tell you now, and I'm telling Democrats, listen to me.

13:22 If you keep going down this DSA path,

13:25 you're not going to get 270 electoral votes in 28.

13:27 You're going to have an 8 to1 Supreme Court by 2030.

13:30 So, you got to be very careful.

13:32 You know, the Republicans are playing chess.

13:33 I was there for a long time.

13:34 They're playing chess.

13:35 Democrats are playing checkers.

13:37 Republicans are thinking an 8 to1 majority

13:38 in the Supreme Court is coming down the pike.

13:40 Decisions like the ones we saw from the Supreme

13:41 Court this week are only going to get worse.

13:43 So, Democrats have to be careful on how they handle these elections.

13:46 I I think the short answer is in New York it

13:48 will not impact anything redistricting now or in the future because

13:51 why they're going to try to get rid of Republican seats.

13:53 Well, but what they're going to do though

13:55 with this with this decision from the Supreme

13:56 Court right now is keep those districts intact where they are in New York.

14:00 in a in a Democratic state like this where they control both houses.

14:03 You said the word Nicole Maliaus.

14:06 Sure.

14:06 Democrats certainly want to try to redraw her district.

14:08 They've tried it like three or four times

14:10 and and they're going to continue to do so

14:11 and and that will end up in the court time and time again.

14:14 But that's separate.

14:15 But the Supreme Court's going to also be what I'm saying

14:17 is right now what they're trying to do to redistrict everything

14:20 is not going to impact New York as much because they're

14:23 not going to go out and change it willy-nilly all the time.

14:26 What's going to happen now?

14:27 The short-term impact is going to be in the red states.

14:30 Can they go go in Florida right now and redistrict right now in Florida?

14:33 What will this impact control of the house in New York?

14:36 Will will Jeff become speaker or minority leader?

14:39 And as of right now,

14:40 he's still going to become the next speaker in the next year and a half.

14:42 But until New York goes back to redistricting right now in a nonpartisan way,

14:48 everything's going to be going blue any chance they can for redistricting,

14:51 no matter what it is.

14:52 I'd like to talk to you about Kathy Hokll.

14:54 Sort of an interesting thing happened this week

14:56 where you know she's been supporting New York

14:58 City in terms of taxes had a terror tax etc etc but the mayor of the city

15:05 of New York and the speaker of the city

15:07 council had a press conference week demanding a new

15:10 tax something called PTE which is a pass through to um get a a loss of money.

15:16 But here's the question.

15:18 Usually when they you have the speaker

15:20 and the mayor gather together and agree on attacks,

15:23 it seems like there's widespread support so

15:26 the governor supports it in some form.

15:29 This time basically she said quote that's not happening.

15:34 Does she now lost her, you know,

15:37 she lost her patience with the mayor and his constant demand to tax more people?

15:41 Too soon to tell, but she's getting tired of this idea of let's keep taxing.

15:45 It's not going to bode well for her if she continues going down this path.

15:48 Uh look, uh I think it's time for us to start

15:50 cutting and the mayor has to start realizing that opening

15:52 up offices like the office of propaganda for $2 million

15:55 and all the other offices that he has whatever you call it.

15:59 It'll make King Jun smile at the stuff

16:01 that we're seeing coming out of city hall.

16:02 I think the the governor understands that this is not the year to tax.

16:05 This is not the year to increase taxes.

16:06 She's already given she going to do taxes next year.

16:09 She I I don't think she will.

16:10 I think that we're going to start seeing

16:11 more and more people become independents and start

16:13 holding these folks accountable and I don't think

16:15 you're going to raise taxes like you want.

16:16 You're going to have to start cutting.

16:18 Right now we have congestion pricing.

16:19 That's a new tax and it's going to continue

16:21 to go up as far as this governor is concerned.

16:23 If they bring petter tax,

16:24 that's a new tax and when will it go up as far as percentage and when will

16:27 it come down as far as the value and who they're going to go after for that.

16:31 You bring another tax in here,

16:32 they're going to continue to create every new tax they can and talk

16:35 about it and eventually they're going to find a way to get it through.

16:38 This governor right now realizes that if

16:41 she starts getting too negative right now,

16:43 she may be okay in the governor's race,

16:44 but she's going to have an impact on the congressional races across the state,

16:47 too, which they don't want to lose.

16:49 So, there's national pressure right now to keep the taxes

16:51 down to not increase taxes in a statewide race.

16:55 But again, I ask you, does she do it now because she's running for reelection

16:59 and because people are worried about the congressional races in November,

17:02 but then come January,

17:04 faced with another budget crisis, does she reverse course?

17:06 I've sat on this couch before and said you will hear more

17:08 taxes like we just did now that we've never heard of before.

17:10 They'll continue to get rolled out and this governor is going to sit back,

17:14 do as little as she has to right now to get reelected, to not rock the boat,

17:18 and once she's reelected has four more years to worry about.

17:21 Then she'll be starting to raise more taxes every day.

17:23 You assume that she doesn't understand her role.

17:25 She she's the she's the governor of New York.

17:26 She has to be responsible.

17:28 So, she has she has to understand that we're going to lose New Yorkers.

17:31 We're going to lose the tax base if taxes go up.

17:34 You got to remember, and I know Marcia, you even said it as last week, look,

17:38 we have uh overwhelming majority of the money

17:40 that we're collecting in income taxes

17:42 in the city and the state are being paid for by the top 1 and 2%.

17:45 The benefits that we're getting from the folks that have

17:47 those second uh second homes that are worth $5 million,

17:50 the economic engine that they're providing for in New

17:53 York City alone pales in comparison to the $500 million.

17:58 She knows that.

17:58 She doesn't care.

18:00 She does not care.

18:02 She cares about her re-election.

18:03 I disagree with you.

18:04 I got to ask you this question.

18:05 At some point when you keep taxing the people who make more money,

18:09 they have mobility and they move out.

18:11 They have and

18:13 and you're sending a message not only in terms of taxes and New York being uh

18:18 too expensive to live in, but it affects

18:21 the number of congressional seats that we have.

18:24 I mean, we're already because of loss

18:25 of out migration due to lose two more seats.

18:29 You know, there used to be a time when New York

18:31 was like the one of the largest delegations in in Washington.

18:34 It's not that way anymore.

18:36 Texas, Florida, places like that.

18:39 When Daly, I believe when Daly was what,

18:40 chief of staff to Senator to President Obama,

18:43 he had a sign in his desk from from Chicago, Irish need not apply.

18:47 And over the years, that is that has

18:48 hit many different ethnicities across the world.

18:51 What you're going to start seeing now in New York when you come from New Jersey,

18:53 you come from Connecticut,

18:54 you come from Vermont and you come from anywhere else to Pennsylvania,

18:57 what you're going to see is signs that say here's the toll and you

19:00 got dollar signs all there and you're going to put the money in.

19:02 So instead of do not apply, hey money, we welcome you.

19:05 Just give it all to us before you shut show up here.

19:07 You know what the governor is already going telling

19:09 people that moved out to Florida, please come back.

19:11 We love you.

19:11 We want you back.

19:12 You're going to see a lot more of that.

19:13 We have to realize and and and I and I need your viewers to understand.

19:16 We keep taxing the folks that are paying the bills.

19:19 They are going to leave.

19:20 And if they leave, they leave with their jobs.

19:21 They leave with the benefits that they've that they provide us as a city.

19:24 And how is the mayor going to pay

19:26 for the social services that he's promised if the people

19:28 that pay the overwhelming majority of the collected

19:30 income taxes in New York City were to go?

19:32 But it's not just income taxes.

19:33 The people that come here with money

19:35 that do not necessarily live here and they pay

19:37 their taxes somewhere else or they live in Florida

19:39 or Texas where they don't have income taxes,

19:41 state income taxes, they write the big checks to the charities.

19:44 They write the big checks to the libraries,

19:45 the hospitals, they take care of our kids.

19:47 They take care of our elderly.

19:49 They do all these fantastic charitable things and you're scaring them away.

19:53 And you know what's going to happen?

19:54 There gonna be more hospitals in Florida, more hospitals in Tennessee,

19:57 more hospitals in Texas because they're going to go

19:58 there and write the checks there instead of New York.

20:01 So let's talk about the governor

20:02 and whether she's losing patients with Mayor Manny.

20:05 In addition to saying his tax, the PTE tax was not going to happen.

20:09 She also made a point of meeting with Ken Griffin,

20:12 the hedge fund billionaire who the mayor made

20:15 the poster boy for why you need the pettit tax.

20:18 Is she trying to send the mayor a message

20:20 that maybe he's overstepped his bounds a little bit?

20:22 I think she's sending a message to independents

20:24 across New York to stay with her.

20:26 She's sending a a message to suburban voters

20:28 and voters outside of New York City that say,

20:30 "Look, I'm not one of these crazies.

20:32 I'm a normal Democrat.

20:33 You know me." And I think that that's why she's meeting with him.

20:36 And quite frankly, it was very responsible

20:37 for the mayor to use city taxpayer dollars

20:39 to have a video at night in front of the CEO of Citadel and and say,

20:43 "Hey, one of these guys is responsible." You think it's You think it was good?

20:47 It was irresponsible.

20:48 feel responsible.

20:48 Sorry.

20:48 Okay, this is my second language.

20:50 I have an accent on it.

20:51 Irresponsible for the mayor to do that considering that so

20:55 many in his base are Luigi Manion supporters who are celebrating

20:59 a murderer of a CEO because they were so angry about

21:02 the insurance that we cannot allow for that kind of irresponsibility.

21:05 We have to let Obie get a yes.

21:07 The video was absolutely wrong.

21:09 What Governor Hokll is trying to do is to tell anybody

21:12 who's got money who's going to bring it to New York,

21:13 spend it, invest it, donate it.

21:16 We welcome you.

21:16 we want you here.

21:18 Even though the mayor is pulling this stuff, she may disagree with it.

21:20 She also will never come out publicly against the mayor

21:22 and do anything she can against him because she needs him.

21:25 She needs the base.

21:26 Cuz if the mayor were to embrace somebody else, it would hurt her.

21:29 The beauty for her is right now the ballot is locked.

21:32 She's on the ballot.

21:33 Blakeman's on the ballot.

21:34 She doesn't have any primary opponent.

21:36 The Napoli is the one they're going to go after.

21:37 And on that note, thank you both for being here.

21:40 Thank you at home for joining us as well.