BREAKING: ISRAEL BOMBS LEBANON, TRUMP’S PEACE TALKS COLLAPSE? W Col. Douglas Macgregor
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0:00 Welcome everybody to Redacted on this Wednesday.
0:02 So glad to have you all here.
0:04 What are they trying to hide about the Strait of Hormuse?
0:06 What we're hearing certain messages and propaganda coming
0:09 out of the White House and the Pentagon specifically,
0:12 but what is the reality right now and now
0:15 that Israel has restarted its bombing campaign inside of southern Lebanon?
0:19 Horrific attacks on populated areas in Beirut and the images are horrific.
0:24 We're going to share those with you here um and have
0:26 a deep discussion about what happens next in this war.
0:29 Uh, we're also going to talk about Melania's Epstein
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0:34 He says that one of Melania's good friends who was deported recently is saying,
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0:43 This is why she gave this press conference.
0:46 We're going to look into how we can make that connection.
0:49 We're just asking questions here.
0:51 We don't want to get sued like she sued the Daily Mail,
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0:58 We're also going to talk about the energy shocks because
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3:23 Well, just as reports started swirling today that Iran and the United
3:26 States were on the verge of some kind of peace talk framework.
3:30 Is that true?
3:30 We'll unpack that in a moment.
3:32 It's not We don't know.
3:34 Um, if you believe that though and if you
3:36 believe that there was some sort of a peace
3:38 talk framework being floated around and that Axios was
3:41 reporting early this morning that that was the case,
3:45 then suddenly Israel decides to launch a new
3:47 round of massive bombing campaigns against Beirut,
3:50 Lebanon, hitting densely populated neighborhoods,
3:53 spec specifically apartment complexes.
3:56 Um, this is an example right here on your screen of what this looked
3:59 like as people were trying to dig through the rubble to find loved ones.
4:02 Um there seems to be though a history of this happening, doesn't there?
4:06 The United States approaches some kind of peace framework maybe
4:10 and then suddenly Israel decides to launch a new round of strikes,
4:15 scuttling those plans.
4:16 Um here are just some of the devastating images.
4:18 You can hear the voices as these attacks rain
4:21 down on southern Beirut over the last few hours.
4:23 Watch.
4:28 And then Meanwhile, Iran has expanded its control over the straight of Hormuse,
4:35 which runs contradictory to the stories
4:37 that you're hearing from the White House.
4:38 The president saying that they control the straight of Hormuse.
4:41 It's like a steel wall as he described it.
4:43 The United States, it's there's never been
4:46 a better blockade in the history of the world.
4:48 If you listen to President Trump and Pete Hgsth, so what is it?
4:51 Well, according to Professor Pap this morning,
4:54 most are missing what really happened yesterday.
4:56 He writes, "Iran expanded its control of Hormuz,
4:59 threatening the that new UAE pipeline that evaded early or excuse me,
5:03 that the existing one that evaded earlier attacks, cutting oil, etc.
5:08 even more.
5:09 Iran gained more power," he says.
5:11 And friend of the show, Rick Sanchez,
5:13 explained it perfectly uh using this big map,
5:16 but I think he lays out exactly what happened
5:18 yesterday that really no one else is talking about.
5:20 Watch.
5:21 What we wanted to do was show you the expansion of the new Strait
5:26 of Hormuz area as it's now being um as it's now being contained by the Iranians.
5:33 For them, this is this is pivotal, right?
5:36 Uh this is their ace in the hole.
5:37 They have control of the Persian Gulf.
5:40 And now because of what they say are the United States actions,
5:42 they've actually expanded the uh control of the Persian Gulf.
5:47 And there's also a tactical reason why they did this.
5:50 I I want to show you something.
5:51 Now, see that city there, Fujira?
5:54 That's where one of the main oil fields is for the UAE.
5:58 Now, you see that black line that's going from there all the way to there.
6:03 See that black line?
6:04 That is an oil pipeline.
6:06 And that pipeline essentially is the UAE's way
6:10 of getting oil out without having to worry about traveling
6:14 through the straight of Hormuz because the exit
6:17 for that pipeline was outside of the straight of Hormuz.
6:21 So what the Iranians have now done is they've expanded the straight of Hormuz
6:25 area that they are in control of to go beyond the point where Fujara is.
6:32 And that's extremely significant because it means now that they they control
6:37 even more of the output of the hydrocarbons, the oil, the LNG,
6:42 the fertilizer, all the stuff that's coming out of this region
6:45 and most particularly the most important region of all, which is the UAE.
6:48 So that so very interesting there.
6:51 We want to bring in Colonel Douglas McGregor now
6:53 um to talk more about all these latest developments.
6:56 Uh Colonel, great to see you.
6:58 Um thank you for joining us here on the show.
6:59 I guess maybe we should start with before we get to the latest with the straight
7:02 of Hormuse and any kind of peace talks or whatever is going on there.
7:06 The last few hours in southern Lebanon and Israel's move there.
7:12 You have pointed out before there was really never I guess a ceasefire at all.
7:15 What do you make of this latest attack?
7:19 Israel when it had entered southern Lebanon committed
7:23 to the wholesale elimination of uh Hezbollah and they knew
7:29 that in order to do that you would have
7:31 to go in and essentially conduct a scorched earth operation.
7:35 Well, they did it but it didn't work.
7:39 And the problem is that Hezbollah retreated northward and to some
7:43 extent into the mountains that border uh the region.
7:47 And so Israel has got to go in and finish the job.
7:51 If they don't, their perception is that Isbelah will return.
7:56 And so this is now going to be permanently a next territory.
8:01 And that that's simply a strategic reality for the Israelis.
8:05 It's sort of like the Goland Heights.
8:07 You can't give it up.
8:08 If you do, you put yourself at risk.
8:10 The Israelis take the same position on southern Lebanon.
8:13 And of course, this has the uh salutoy effect of making
8:18 any sort of arrangements with Iran impossible for the United States.
8:23 Well, can they do it though?
8:26 Can they take over all of southern Lebanon?
8:28 Because usually when they invade Lebanon,
8:30 the Israeli soldiers leave in body bags.
8:33 It's very dangerous for them.
8:35 Do they all of a sudden have the military might for this?
8:39 I think they do, especially if they're
8:41 willing to carpet bomb the the whole region.
8:44 I think they'll level everything.
8:46 If you want to hold southern Lebanon, you've got to make it yours.
8:50 How do you make it yours?
8:52 You drive out the population.
8:53 You destroy any possibility for that population to ever return.
8:58 I mean, this is sort of the gauification of southern Lebanon.
9:03 And that's that's their solution.
9:05 They've been dealing with the Hezbollah problem since 1982.
9:09 And everybody forgets that Hezbollah was uh
9:12 brought into existence actually by the Israelis themselves.
9:15 They saw this as a counterbalance to the Palestinian Authority.
9:20 It's it's become a monster they can't control.
9:23 The other thing you you just said there is that anytime
9:25 that we're trying to have discussions or talks with Iran, this happens suddenly.
9:30 So what do you make of the reporting this morning
9:32 that there was some sort of a framework of peace
9:35 that would have uh kept nuclear ambitions tamped down for 12
9:39 years etc etc this framework that was being unfolded this morning
9:44 and someone short of the oil market once again this morning and made
9:47 tens of millions of dollars before this Axios report came
9:51 out convenient that that report came out and somebody made
9:54 a lot of money off of that anyway your thoughts
9:56 on the potential peace talks here and Israel's intervention I'm
10:00 I'm waiting for someone to trace all the phone calls
10:03 from the White House before and after these announcements because
10:07 I'm convinced that there's somebody in the White House that's
10:10 well aware of what's coming and they're taking advantage of it.
10:12 That's just a comment on corruption.
10:15 I I don't think we've ever had this much corruption this blatant in our history.
10:21 I could be wrong, but that's what it looks like to me.
10:24 Anyway, I think it's uh I think it's fair to say
10:29 right now that whatever they claimed was going on probably wasn't.
10:34 I don't see much evidence for it.
10:35 I think we're very close to launching again
10:39 uh another air and missile offensive against Iran.
10:43 And again, I I don't know that the president sees any alternative to this.
10:48 I think there is, but I don't think he does.
10:51 and he's not prepared to announce his imminent surrender,
10:55 which is effectively what he'd have to do for the Iranians.
10:59 It's it's kind of interesting.
11:00 A few weeks ago, he was demanding unconditional surrender from the Iranians.
11:05 Right now, the Iranians have made it very difficult for him to extricate
11:08 himself and us from the Persian Gulf
11:12 disaster without doing effectively the same thing.
11:18 So, I I'm I'm just struck by the lack
11:21 of outrage of bombing civilian areas in Beirut,
11:25 but I guess since we've watched this happen to Gaza for so long,
11:29 it it feels like part of the plan is just quickly
11:33 murder as many people as you can because the outrage is there,
11:38 but nothing's being done about it.
11:40 You know, Philip, recently it had said
11:42 like where is the United Nations peacekeeper?
11:44 Who would do something about this?
11:46 And in your estimation, who could even stop it?
11:50 It's certainly not going to be the United States.
11:54 Well, let me back up a little bit
11:55 and just say that I think that President Trump,
11:57 whether he ever intended to do it or not,
12:00 has boarded the express elevator to hell
12:04 and he's dragging us into the elevator with him.
12:06 That's the bad news.
12:08 Now, what do I mean by that?
12:10 It's part of what you just discussed.
12:12 Once he committed us unconditionally to whatever the Israelis wanted to do,
12:17 he put us in a very, very dangerous position.
12:20 Every president that's dealt with the Israelis
12:22 has ended up at some point uh imposing
12:26 limits uh on what they can and cannot do because if you don't impose the limits,
12:32 that means they'll do whatever they want at whatever cost.
12:36 and they do not regard, you know, legitimate uh laws of war or anything else.
12:42 Once they've made up their minds, they're going to do something.
12:45 It's no holds bar.
12:47 So, that was the first mistake.
12:49 Now, having done that, he's now in a terrible
12:51 position with regard to the Persian Gulf.
12:56 It was always a disaster from a purely geographical standpoint.
13:00 You know, Iran is like a giant fortress.
13:03 It's surrounded by mountains and to the south you have these sort of horrible
13:08 deserts that no one in their right mind wants to march an army across.
13:13 Uh, nobody's ever successfully conquered the place.
13:17 Alexander the Great conquered part of it.
13:19 The Mongols in inflicted terrible damage on the place
13:23 in order to control it and then of course they left.
13:26 The the point is there's this is a place we
13:29 cannot conquer and that's the most important thing to understand.
13:33 The Russians made this point to Napoleon about Russia.
13:36 They did it subsequently many times.
13:39 We cannot be conquered.
13:41 And they were right.
13:42 Andrew Jackson and Abraham Lincoln made the point
13:45 that we Americans in our continental empire cannot be conquered.
13:50 The only way we can fall apart is if we attack and kill each other.
13:54 So I think those things were disregarded right off the bat and there
13:59 was no sense whatsoever of the impact on the rest of the world.
14:03 Right now the rest of the world as you just pointed out Jeff Cury at the Carlile
14:07 group has produced in my judgment some
14:09 of the finest work out there on this subject
14:13 and he's raised the alarm bells and there
14:15 are still people all over this country that absolutely
14:18 refuse to see reality that we are going
14:21 to suffer terribly as a result of this war.
14:23 we are going to experience at the least a severe recession
14:27 and the rest of the world is in many cases is staring at depression.
14:31 Now when I say the rest I'm not necessarily including China.
14:34 China is actually better prepared to cope with this crisis than
14:38 we are in many respects and Americans again don't understand that.
14:43 And the final point is that right now
14:45 the entire world except for the United States,
14:48 probably a few people in Europe, Great Britain,
14:52 Australia, maybe Canada, in other words, the Anglosphere.
14:55 The rest of the world looks at what's happening and says Iran
14:59 is an heroic state because it's standing up to the great bully,
15:05 the United States and Israel.
15:08 So virtually everyone is sympathetic and everyone
15:12 who can help the Iranians is doing so.
15:15 And so the Iranians have prepared themselves brilliantly
15:18 for this next phase which is now coming.
15:20 And I think it'll probably start within the next 40 48 hours.
15:25 Wow.
15:25 And why will it start?
15:26 Because you cannot keep all these soldiers,
15:29 sailors, airmen, and marines out there indefinitely.
15:32 They'll lose their edge.
15:34 They'll wear out.
15:35 You can't do that.
15:36 You've got to send them into action or you have to disengage and withdraw.
15:41 And I see no evidence that we're prepared to do that.
15:44 And this whole blockade thing was a farce.
15:47 It never had any chance of success.
15:49 We're sitting what, 300 miles, 400 miles,
15:52 500 miles south and away from the entrance to the Persian Gulf.
15:57 We have, comparatively speaking, a handful of ships.
16:01 We're trying to fly over the area and control it.
16:04 It can't be done.
16:05 I mean, you can control some of it, but not all of it.
16:08 And then this notion that we're telling captains of these tankers that are not
16:12 insured by Lloyds of London or anybody else at this point to risk transit,
16:17 go through the Gulf and then hug the shore next to Oman
16:21 and risk going because that's a very shallow area was always crazy.
16:27 This is the final point and it's the point that Americans really
16:30 need to understand and most Americans are not paying attention to this.
16:34 There is no strategy.
16:37 There never was.
16:40 Yeah, there never was.
16:40 First, we started off, well, we're going to bomb in support of an uprising.
16:43 That was always nonsense.
16:46 They said that the Iranians killed 30,000 of their own people.
16:49 That is nonsense.
16:50 About 3,400 people died.
16:53 And of that number, 400 were policemen.
16:57 Why were they killed in a nation where no one is armed?
17:00 because the MSAD and the CIA went in there
17:02 and distributed arms to members of of the resistance,
17:06 if you want to call them that, in the crowd
17:08 and directed them to shoot and they killed police officers.
17:11 At that point, you had to go in and put
17:13 down this minor real relatively speaking minor uprising.
17:18 I say minor because they painted the picture that there were millions of people
17:22 in the country ready to overthrow
17:24 the government violently and that was not true.
17:28 It was never true.
17:29 Then we decided, oh no, we'll bomb to decapitate.
17:34 We'll we'll kill all the key leaders.
17:35 Because the Israelis said, well,
17:37 if you kill all the key leaders, they'll fall apart.
17:39 Why would they say that?
17:40 Because the Israelis have experienced that previously in many Arab states.
17:46 Chaos breaks out.
17:47 There's no one to step in and take over and so forth.
17:50 That was false because Iran is not an Arab state.
17:54 Iran is a real country.
17:55 It's a real nation state.
17:57 It's been around for 2,000 years.
18:00 So, what did we do?
18:01 Well, we made the mistake of following
18:03 that guidance based on that false intelligence.
18:06 And that didn't work.
18:07 And having failed at that, we then decided,
18:09 well, we'll try to destroy the country.
18:11 We'll inflict pain on them.
18:13 We'll hit critical infrastructure and these people will give up.
18:17 I think President Trump said something like,
18:19 "Cry, uncle." Well, that didn't work.
18:22 So, here we are again.
18:23 Then we fell into the blockade, which was always a farce.
18:26 It didn't make any sense.
18:27 Then we said we were going to control the straight.
18:30 How could we control the straight?
18:32 You can't control the straight unless you are in a position
18:35 to stop everything that goes in and comes out.
18:38 The Iranians can do that.
18:39 Why?
18:40 Well, they border it.
18:41 They have the longest coastline with the Persian Gulf.
18:44 They control more than half of it.
18:46 So, the bottom line is we can't control it.
18:50 And that's now patently obvious to the whole world.
18:52 So, what's the next step?
18:54 What do you do?
18:56 Well, the intelligent thing to do is you stand up and say,
19:00 "I, President Trump, have reviewed what we have done thus far.
19:05 We have undoubtedly done serious damage to Iran.
19:09 Damage that will require years to reverse.
19:12 But more important, we've also now
19:14 jeopardized economic stability around the world.
19:19 We didn't want to do that.
19:20 I don't want to do that.
19:21 And I know that countries in the global south, in Europe,
19:25 in Africa, everywhere need access to fertilizer, feed stock, food, and fuel.
19:33 We're going to back off.
19:34 We're going to disengage.
19:36 And I am suspending all further military action to ensure
19:40 that those items reach the world that needs it.
19:44 and we will look for intermediaries in the future who can help
19:48 us resolve our dispute with Iran without the use of military power.
19:54 I think if he did that he he would be supported here
19:57 at home and more important frankly to us in the long run.
20:01 He would have enormous support overseas.
20:04 That's the last thing anybody expects but it's the one thing we need to do.
20:08 But there's a problem.
20:10 The problem is Israel and there is no evidence
20:13 that the Israelis will comply with that and they
20:16 will continue to attack and continue to attack
20:20 and demand that we support them in the process.
20:23 So I don't see anything changing for the better.
20:27 Someone in our chat room just said redacted watch the BBY files
20:30 to realize what kind of man you're dealing with and Benjamin Netanyahu.
20:34 Oh yeah, we have the Tucker Carlson ones.
20:37 Oh yeah, it's horrible.
20:38 Well, that's who you're dealing with here.
20:39 But and we have, to your point, there's been no strategy.
20:42 There's been no plan.
20:43 And President Trump has never laid out to the American
20:45 people what what the goal is in this war.
20:48 It's moved constantly.
20:49 It's made no sense.
20:50 But yesterday, maybe we got the clearest sign yet when he gathered
20:53 up a group of children for Trump story hour to explain why.
20:58 I mean, imagine your kids going to the White House
21:00 and you get this sort of BS from the president.
21:02 Watch.
21:04 broke every record and now we're going to take a hit because we
21:08 have to make a journey down to Iran to take the nuclear weapon.
21:11 They would have had a nuclear weapon in within two weeks.
21:15 Remember we sent that beautiful B2 bomber
21:17 in and we uh we blew up their nuclear potential.
21:22 It was obliterated for those that are not aware, Colonel.
21:27 It was obliterated that.
21:29 Imagine telling a group of little children that we That's like a movie.
21:33 Sent a B2 bomber.
21:35 I mean, like a comedy.
21:37 Yeah.
21:37 But give the man credit.
21:38 He excels at fairy tales and he told an excellent fairy tale, right?
21:43 There's never been a nuclear weapon inside.
21:47 Yeah.
21:46 There has never been a a decisive effort to build one.
21:50 We know that.
21:51 Now, can they do it?
21:53 Uh they've always had the capacity to do it,
21:55 but they have not enriched uranium to the plutonium
21:58 they need to build the bomb and that is deliberate.
22:01 They have not fitted any nuclear warheads to any of their missiles.
22:05 Could they do it?
22:06 Yes, they can do it.
22:07 They can turn to any number of nations
22:09 who would willingly assist them with this.
22:12 My concern is whenever this ends, it won't just be Iran.
22:15 And I think we're going to see every middlesized power in the world that thinks
22:19 there's a chance that the Americans and Israelis
22:21 could attack them build a nuclear weapon.
22:23 That's the real result of the stupidity.
22:26 But there's something else going on and nobody's paying attention to it.
22:29 The relationship now between Russia, China, and Iran is very, very important.
22:38 The Russians and the Chinese have made it
22:39 abundantly clear they will not abandon Iran to us.
22:45 When Putin spoke to President Trump on the phone,
22:48 he was trying to make it clear that if he goes
22:50 back in and tries to annihilate Iran with air and missile power,
22:55 it's not going to happen.
22:57 Neither Moscow nor Beijing will tolerate this.
23:02 Wow.
23:02 Uh we just had a comment here from one of our viewers,
23:04 Long put this up on the screen.
23:06 Speaking of Russia, 500 Russian Verba man pads were purchased by Iran.
23:10 Delivery is expected in 2027.
23:13 Some of these could make their way to the Hees Yemen area.
23:15 Will this be a gamecher to stop Israel air superiority?
23:19 Do you want to take that one, Colonel?
23:20 Do you know what that is?
23:21 I don't.
23:22 Yeah, I know what it is.
23:23 And uh it's a stinger equivalent, you know, similar to what we have,
23:27 which was a strategic gamecher for the mujaheden
23:31 in Afghanistan if you reflect on it.
23:33 Is it going to change everything overnight?
23:36 No.
23:36 But is it going to make life terrible for the Israelis and Israeli air power?
23:41 Yes.
23:42 But that's the other thing that nobody's really talking about.
23:45 Israel is going to be in very serious trouble when this work recommences there.
23:50 Does anybody think Iran's going to ignore Israel?
23:53 Iran is going to strike Israel and it it will strike it decisively.
23:58 Israel is going to sustain terrible damage.
24:01 the global economy will end up taking 5 to 10 years to recover from this.
24:05 That's pretty obvious.
24:06 But I'm more concerned than anything else about our relations,
24:10 frankly speaking, with China.
24:12 You know, Trump is about to go to China.
24:15 And when he goes over there, let's be let's be quite frank.
24:19 If he thinks he can go there, make demands,
24:22 and expect that Xi will comply with what he wants, he's he's crazy.
24:27 Beijing's recent announcement that Chinese companies will not abide by US
24:32 sanctions on private refineries linked to the Iranian oil trade,
24:36 including the big one, Hangley Prochemical,
24:39 signals a sea change right now, and our relations with Beijing.
24:43 Beijing's not going to put up with it.
24:46 They're sick of us.
24:47 Washington's foolish war against Iran on behalf
24:50 of Israel is disrupted energy flows to China.
24:53 China was willing to go along with us on many things.
24:57 Not anymore.
24:57 Now they're tightening trade by expanding
25:00 export controls on critical minerals and reinforcing
25:03 their own supply chains and power to shape relations with the world.
25:09 We need goodwill in China.
25:12 So much of what we use on a daily basis is imported from China.
25:16 When that's cut off and that's where we're headed,
25:18 there going to be a lot of very unhappy
25:20 Americans and it's going to take us time to try
25:23 and compensate if we can compensate at all given the fact
25:26 that we don't have the manufacturing base we once did.
25:30 In other words, the absence of any strategy also meant
25:33 there was no thinking about the unanticipated consequences of our actions.
25:39 Nobody bothered to ask the question, well, you know,
25:42 what happens if this is not over in four or five days, 10 days, 2 weeks.
25:47 Uh, are we going to do this forever?
25:49 Of course not.
25:50 We can't afford it.
25:51 It can't be done.
25:53 Our own economy can't stand it.
25:55 We can't surge the military power that is required to sustain a presence there.
26:01 We're just wasting resources and time on something that was never needed.
26:06 This is not really our war.
26:08 We're not a we're, you know, is Iran is not an existential threat to us.
26:12 It never was.
26:14 Nor do I think it should ever be.
26:17 So, what do we do?
26:18 Uh, we've got to go back to the drawing board and say, "Look, it's got to stop.
26:22 We're going to stop it.
26:23 This is why." Explain it to the American people.
26:26 I think the American people will take it
26:28 in, and I think they'll realize it makes sense.
26:32 Right.
26:32 I mean, not to let President Trump off the hook,
26:35 but the stance of the Bush administration,
26:39 the Obama administration towards Iran was always nonsensical.
26:43 Iran reached out many times during those administrations.
26:47 And each one sort of mocked them.
26:49 We launched Stuckset, which is the world's first cyber weapon on them.
26:54 It's, you know, Trump is escalating something
26:58 that we've always done in a bipartisan way,
27:01 which was decide that Iran is the country
27:03 we want to go to war with nonsensically.
27:06 So, I don't know, on Israel's behalf, right?
27:09 Like you're saying, President Trump is just doing it worse.
27:13 It's like we're taking the poison straight rather than it being laced inside
27:17 the cool factor of the Obama administration when most of us missed it.
27:21 You know what I mean?
27:22 like it's always been there, but it's horrible now.
27:26 At least it's out there.
27:27 At least we know, you know, we can sort of watch it happen,
27:30 watch this poison play out in front of us,
27:33 and we can all say, "We don't stand for this." But it's not subtle anymore.
27:38 Yeah.
27:38 A friend of mine who is working in the Department of Defense said to me,
27:42 "Everywhere you look, Doug, the dead hand of Israel is around our neck." Yeah.
27:48 And
27:49 terrifying.
27:49 I've never heard anybody say that before in the Department of Defense,
27:52 but that was his observation.
27:56 Right.
27:55 And I think it's true because this does not represent our interests.
27:59 We have no interest in this war.
28:02 Yeah.
28:01 This is antithetical to our interests.
28:03 It's counterproductive.
28:05 We're we're ultimately exactly what uh I think it was Calvin Culage said.
28:10 We're about business.
28:12 That's America.
28:13 This is destroying us.
28:15 It's harming us beyond belief.
28:18 We're going to talk more about that in a second on the energy shock.
28:21 Um, Colonel, if you just stay with us for a a quick water
28:24 break here and uh and a quick break and when to come back,
28:27 talk about what's happening right now in the oil markets.
28:30 Talk about uh the straight of horm specifically
28:33 and what we can expect here in the United States.
28:35 Also want to get the colonel's perspective
28:36 on that Washington Post report this morning,
28:39 which we had reported here like a month ago about the US military bases attack.
28:44 Now they have detailed satellite photos showing just how
28:48 destroyed much of America's infrastructure in the Middle East is.
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30:23 Well, a few minutes ago, Ken Griffin, the CEO of the CEO of Citadel,
30:29 came out and said that energy costs will lead to a global recession.
30:33 He was emphatic about that.
30:34 Jeff Cury, uh, of the Carla Group said,
30:38 "People don't understand what we're about to face here,
30:41 that we are in a deficit right now for oil in the United States,
30:45 and that once the shortages hit,
30:47 it's game over." He's never seen anything like this.
30:50 He just spoke about this um, a few hours ago.
30:52 watch.
30:53 I I still say that with you, you know, it's going to be, you know,
30:56 sometime the month of May that you're going
30:58 to end up with um Europe hitting um tank bottoms.
31:02 And in the US, it's somewhere in that July 4th time period, if not sooner.
31:06 By the way, the inventories number coming out of the US,
31:09 the ones we got last night, the ones last week,
31:11 I've never seen anything like that before.
31:13 You know, the the analogy I think is like in in u
31:16 that movie u Jaws when the mayor declares the beaches are open.
31:20 You can see the fin swimming around around
31:22 there and the fin are these inventory numbers.
31:25 And I think that it's important to remember that these inventory
31:29 numbers um you let's define terms a deficit versus a shortage.
31:34 We have a deficit today meaning that demand
31:38 is above supply and we're drawing inventories.
31:41 It's not a shortage yet.
31:42 So to answer your question,
31:43 you have the shortages in places like um you know Asia and it's not that bad yet
31:48 um because you're not completely at tank bottoms u
31:51 but in places like Europe and the United States,
31:53 you're in a deficit and you don't hit the shortages until you hit tank bottoms,
31:59 tank bottoms in July 4th.
32:02 Um already feeling this of course across Asia and Europe.
32:06 We're joined by Colonel Douglas McGregor now to talk more
32:08 about this energy shock that we're about to about to see.
32:12 Of course, you were talking about Jeff Cury earlier.
32:15 Uh Colonel, just your thoughts on what
32:17 we're about to see from an energy perspective
32:20 as it relates to what's happening with the war
32:22 in Iran and the straight of Hormuz.
32:24 Uh my friends in India uh talked to me this morning
32:28 and told me that uh oil is $118 a barrel right now.
32:33 Wow.
32:33 If you're talking about jet fuel,
32:36 then it's going to it's it's exceeding now $250 a barrel.
32:42 That's jet fuel.
32:44 That means that the airlines in many cases are going to go under.
32:47 Now, people will say, well, Spirit was already in trouble.
32:50 That may be true, but I know that Lufans has canceled thousands of flights.
32:55 We're going to see much more of that.
32:57 anything involved in distillates, uh, LPG, LNG, all these things,
33:04 uh, they're all at a at premium prices.
33:06 Everything is going to become more expensive when it
33:08 tanks to the extent that Jeff Cury pointed out,
33:12 imagine what the cost will be in this country as as well as overseas.
33:17 How do you get it across to President
33:19 Trump that when fertilizer doesn't move, crops don't grow?
33:23 When feed stock doesn't arrive, livestock don't eat.
33:27 When fuel doesn't flow, trucks don't run and trucks run on diesel.
33:32 And diesel is in very short supply.
33:35 Heat doesn't show up, air conditioning doesn't work,
33:38 and food doesn't end up on the shelf.
33:41 That's really where we're headed right now.
33:43 And it's all because of the stupidity in the Persian Gulf.
33:47 Now, you know, when I listened to Secretary Rubio this morning said,
33:51 "What we really want is a free access and flow
33:55 of traffic through the straight of Hormuz." Well, Mr.
33:58 Secretary, that's exactly what you had before you attacked Iran, right?
34:03 Good lord.
34:04 Now, we're going back to what we already had.
34:06 And that's now I guess that's now the strategic goal in all of this is
34:10 go back to where we were before we started decided to start bombing them,
34:14 right?
34:14 I see my feed is full.
34:17 My my sort of Instagram stories are all people who are like, "Leave Iran alone.
34:22 I do not want these prices at the pump." They're not buying it.
34:26 Even if you're President Trump is telling these children, "We had to do it.
34:30 Had to be done.
34:30 They were going to nuke us all." Nobody buys it.
34:33 Can you believe what you're seeing?
34:35 And you know, you've been through many war propaganda cycles.
34:39 This seems like the worst.
34:42 Well, it it certainly is uh at least as bad as I remember in Vietnam.
34:47 You know, it took took us a long
34:48 time to figure out that contrary to popular belief,
34:51 we weren't really stopping communism in Vietnam.
34:55 That this was actually a civil war that we'd involved ourselves in.
34:59 Uh you know, here's here's the most important question.
35:03 Who is governing our country?
35:07 Got to answer that question.
35:08 And for whom are the people in Washington governing the United States?
35:14 Now our founders, you know, answered that question pretty clearly.
35:18 Uh actually unambiguously.
35:20 They said the government of the United States deres its legitimate
35:24 power from the consent of the govern not from foreign sources,
35:29 foreign courts, foreign treasuries, foreign governments, foreign interests.
35:35 It comes from the American people.
35:38 and go back to what you said, Clayton.
35:41 Uh he's never talked to the American people about this war.
35:45 And when he did as sort of a sideeshow when he spoke uh to on the State
35:50 of the Union and he mentioned Iran must
35:53 never have a nuclear weapon and like trained seals,
35:57 everybody stood up on both sides of the aisle and clapped.
36:02 Right.
36:01 Even though there was no such animal in Iran,
36:04 right?
36:05 Well, that's a question.
36:06 Who
36:06 is in charge?
36:07 Yeah.
36:08 Who is in charge?
36:09 Um, here's a question from Southern Griff.
36:11 I'm going to put this up on the screen.
36:12 Says, "How will you guys feel if Trump succeeds?
36:14 He campaigned on no new wars.
36:16 An Iran with no nuclear power is a better world.
36:20 Otherwise, China or Russia would have sold them nukes.
36:22 What are your thoughts on this?" I mean,
36:23 I'll just say I don't know that Iran having its own nuclear
36:27 power to support its own people is an affront to the world.
36:31 I think that it would enrich and help the Iranian people.
36:34 I think I I would be fully supportive of them
36:36 having their own nuclear power to power their buildings and infrastructure.
36:41 Um, but if Trump succeeds, how will we feel?
36:43 What is su what does success mean to Well, I thought we already did succeed
36:48 because we blew up their nuclear weapons last
36:51 obliterated.
36:51 Yeah.
36:52 Go ahead, Philip.
36:53 Well, that that that question like defeats itself
36:55 because if if he campaigned on no new wars,
36:58 this is he didn't step into this already in in process.
37:03 wasn't like he just walked into a war in progress in Iran.
37:06 He started it that you already you can't you can't succeed.
37:10 You can't succeed and then start no new wars argument.
37:13 You already lost that argument.
37:15 Colonel, what do you make of that question?
37:18 Well, uh first of all, India and Pakistan both have nuclear weapons.
37:23 Uh we have not gone to war with either state.
37:26 We have always had concerns about Pakistan because
37:29 it has been in many respects a a hotbed
37:33 of radical Islam but thus far the Pakistani military
37:37 has been very professional exercised close control over those weapons.
37:43 Uh we know that North Korea has nuclear weapons.
37:46 We also know that the North Korean dictator has been told in no
37:50 uncertain terms by President Xi of China and for that matter President Putin,
37:55 if you initiate a war with someone and use a nuclear weapon as a result,
38:00 we will not support you.
38:02 However, if you are attacked, that's a different story.
38:05 So, contrary to everyone's public criticism and insistence
38:10 that North Korea could attack us at any time,
38:13 it's very clear they're not going to attack us because they
38:16 don't want to be obliterated and they know that's what would happen.
38:19 But they've also been told by the two nations
38:22 that have acted in their behalf not to do it.
38:26 So, I agree with you, Clayton.
38:29 If if Iran develops a nuclear capability, that's Iran's business.
38:34 Uh Iran has not opened a war against anybody for over 200 years.
38:40 It has not tried to expand its borders
38:42 at anybody's uh expense for over 200 years.
38:46 Uh I I think we're going to live in a world in the future
38:49 that's that's going to be different from what we think it ought to be.
38:52 It's a it's a collection of states that have clear and unambiguous interests.
38:57 And the big issue for everybody is going to be resource sovereignty.
39:02 Everybody is now going to be very concerned that they have
39:05 on hand all of the things that are essential to their survival.
39:09 And that means energy.
39:11 Energy in all forms and all types.
39:15 Resource sovereignty.
39:16 I think you're absolutely man.
39:17 You hit the nail on the head.
39:19 Forget this unipolar world order.
39:21 It is really shifting to this multi-polar
39:23 world order where they need to protect themselves.
39:25 Go ahead.
39:25 Sorry.
39:26 I guess when I think about who could actually
39:28 do that, Africa has aligned itself greatly with China.
39:31 they will have more access uh than they have now with sort
39:36 of the crappy relationship they have with the United States and our sort of
39:40 and France, right?
39:41 Europe is the one place I think that cannot do it that cannot be
39:46 resource sovereign and you know they're just
39:49 going to be dragged through the mud.
39:50 I don't see how Europe can survive.
39:52 I don't see how NATO can survive something like this.
39:55 I do I don't know.
39:56 What do you think of that?
39:57 That that was sort of my knee grant.
39:59 Setting aside the possibility that the aliens
40:02 that we talk about periodically operating aircraft
40:06 that we can't explain may land and ultimately
40:09 share with us the secret to relating light,
40:13 gravity, and magnetism, then I guess uh you're right.
40:18 Uh Europe is going to have more difficulty than most,
40:20 but not not totally hopeless.
40:23 Right now, the largest cache of rare earths in Europe thus far has
40:29 been discovered just a few hundred feet
40:31 offshore from uh from the Norwegian coast.
40:35 We know there are tremendous stores of energy,
40:38 rare earths and other critical minerals in the Arctic.
40:42 And the other thing is remember that one of the reasons we ended up
40:46 in this terrible position now with Russia is
40:49 that we as led by globalists and unfortunately President
40:53 Trump has not turned this around although he
40:55 promised to do so convinced everybody that you
40:59 you shouldn't buy cheap energy from Russia because
41:02 Russia's real insidious plan was to conquer you.
41:06 Well, that was always nonsense.
41:08 There's no money in territorial imperialism.
41:11 I thought everybody figured that out.
41:12 That's a dead end.
41:14 Governing other people's nations is both wasteful, counterproductive,
41:19 doesn't work well because people want to govern themselves, right?
41:24 So, it's much better to do business.
41:26 Germany has been practically destroyed, de-industrialized,
41:31 because under its own leadership and ours, what have they done?
41:36 They've cut themselves off from Russia's cheap gas.
41:40 And we know historically that cheap energy, cheap credit are linked.
41:45 If you don't have cheap energy, you can't get cheap credit.
41:49 And that's what we're seeing happen slowly but surely with each passing day.
41:54 You'll hear you'll hear people will finally speak up and say,
41:56 "Have you noticed the bond yields are rising?" Yeah, they're rising.
42:02 And we have a $39 trillion sovereign national debt.
42:06 And how is that amassing with each passing month?
42:09 with each passing year.
42:11 It's unsustainable.
42:12 So, you need the cheap energy.
42:14 If you got cheap energy, you're also combating inflation.
42:19 We are in a terrible mess right now because we've killed the two.
42:23 Cheap energy and cheap credit.
42:25 No cheap credit means you can't refinance.
42:28 And right now, all the private equity, big private equity firms are in trouble,
42:32 Black Rockck and a host of others, because they can't refinance.
42:36 They're trying to borrow money to become liquid because
42:40 none of their very few of their assets are liquid.
42:43 They need liquidity.
42:44 The banks need liquidity.
42:46 How do you get it?
42:47 You borrow it, but you can't borrow at higher and higher interest rates.
42:51 So, we're headed for a giant steel reinforced concrete wall.
42:57 It's coming.
42:58 And I don't see how we avoid it at this point.
43:00 And I think that will be the end of President Trump.
43:03 And I think it'll be the end of his administration.
43:06 It may ultimately be the end of the government
43:08 that we see right now in Washington, period.
43:10 Because let's face it, President Trump has done something that, as we
43:15 saw during the State of the Union, everybody on the Hill supported.
43:20 Now, not everybody.
43:21 There were a few lone rational actors,
43:24 but the point is Washington is in this with both feet.
43:30 You know, we got this question here.
43:32 I can't believe I'm going to ask this question,
43:33 Colonel, but one one of our viewers, thank you for your super chat, says,
43:38 "Would we have been better off with Kamla?" Thank you for your thoughts on this.
43:42 And just want to show you this Times of Israel article published um
43:46 during the campaign.
43:47 During the campaign, Harris told Jewish voters,
43:50 "All options are on the table to stop Iran from going
43:53 nuclear." It was very vocal about basically going to war with Iran,
43:57 even if she was elected.
43:58 So, I mean, and now she's the front runner.
44:01 If you look at the latest polling numbers for the 2028 election,
44:04 she is now the front runner for the Democratic side.
44:07 I mean, it's like I don't know, man.
44:09 Uh what do you what do you make of this?
44:10 Would we have been better off with her?
44:13 If that's remotely true,
44:14 I suggest that we immediately make Natalie our candidate and run her office.
44:21 Yes.
44:20 Save us from I think we can say we can say with absolute certainty that no,
44:26 we would not have been better off.
44:27 And I'll tell you why.
44:29 When Camela Harris on numerous occasions demonstrated
44:33 that she could not string coherent sentences together,
44:36 that she was essentially an empty suit that cackled whenever provoked,
44:41 the Zionist billionaires that ultimately put Trump
44:44 into office turned away from the Democrats.
44:47 Remember when they had Biden there, they got what they wanted.
44:51 If if Biden had run again, of course,
44:53 he couldn't do that because he was non-compass menace.
44:56 But if he had, I'm sure they would have supported Biden instead of Trump.
45:00 But once it became clear that Kamla was was the one,
45:04 everyone ran for the exit doors right away because they knew
45:08 they were dealing with someone who was dangerously stupid and ignorant.
45:12 So that meant you got to you got to support Trump,
45:16 but you had to extract promises from President Trump.
45:19 And one of the key promises was very simply Israel gets whatever Israel wants.
45:26 Yeah, that's it doesn't matter who's in charge, it seems.
45:29 Um, you know, you could have Ron Paul.
45:30 That'd be the only chance.
45:32 Maybe uh maybe a Thomas Massie.
45:34 Um, Colonel, I wanted to ask you,
45:35 I mentioned before the break this Washington Post report this morning.
45:38 I'm sure you saw it.
45:40 Um, you know, you know,
45:41 Brandon Wert had reported this, I think, on Tucker Carlson's show.
45:45 I think he was maybe the first to report this.
45:48 We also had sources that covered this as well.
45:51 Um we covered the injury aspect of this story which
45:54 was the devastating attacks on American infrastructure in the Middle East.
45:58 Um a lot of the military bases there largely destroyed.
46:01 A lot of infrastructure destroyed.
46:04 This was of course kept kept from the American people.
46:07 Um and then now the Washington Post comes out
46:09 with this report and it's suddenly like front page story like exclusive.
46:13 The Washington Post is now telling us what Brandon Wert reported,
46:17 what we reported here on all the injury and death numbers,
46:20 but now the Washington Post is reporting it.
46:22 So, we got that stamp of approval.
46:23 Colonel, what do you make on first of all
46:25 on the story and then on the actual Middle East infrastructure,
46:28 the US military bases, and how devastated they may or may not be?
46:33 Well, I was castigated for telling everyone within the first few
46:36 days that 27 of our bases had been struck and largely destroyed.
46:41 Yeah.
46:41 Yeah.
46:41 They were saying you were lying.
46:42 You were a liar.
46:44 Yeah.
46:44 Right.
46:44 Exactly.
46:45 Uh so I can tell you now having seen the satellite pictures.
46:51 I mean we've got a lot of commercial satellite photography.
46:53 So you can't hide this sort of thing for very long.
46:57 And I think that's probably why the CIA decided to tell the Washington Post,
47:01 go ahead and release this because otherwise the Washington
47:04 Post would repeat whatever lies they told them to tell.
47:08 And it's pretty obvious that uh these these bases are finished.
47:12 And if we were ever to get back into the Gulf region,
47:15 which I highly doubt at this point,
47:18 uh we would not want to have to rebuild all these bases.
47:21 It would cost us billions of dollars.
47:23 We can't afford it.
47:24 And right now, who in their right mind among
47:27 the Gulf States is going to try and fund it?
47:30 I mean, right now the last man standing, it's not really the last man standing,
47:34 but the last one continuing to pitch for the uh US Israeli alliance is the UAE.
47:42 And the UAE is in a lot of trouble.
47:45 And that's one of the reasons over the last 24, 36 hours,
47:48 you've seen strikes go in to target places in the UAE.
47:53 The UAE is seen as a not so terribly secret
47:56 Trojan horse for Israel and the Iranians are sick of it.
48:00 So I think two things we need to take away from this.
48:03 First of all, yes, the bases are destroyed.
48:06 They're done.
48:07 They're finished.
48:08 Number two, these Emirates are probably not
48:11 going to make it through this war either.
48:12 And that is dependent upon whether or not
48:15 we decide to renew the war against Iran,
48:18 which I think we will sooner rather than later.
48:21 I don't see how they survive.
48:22 They're artificial constructs,
48:24 perhaps even more artificial than the rest in the Arabian Peninsula.
48:28 Uh they can't export the oil.
48:30 They can't generate the income that they have historically.
48:34 You know, there's 67 million or there were 67 million people
48:37 living from the Iraqi border east down to the border with Oman.
48:42 That's a lot of people.
48:43 They can't stay there anymore because
48:44 they're going to lose their deselination plants.
48:47 They're going to lose oil infrastructure because the Iranians
48:50 have made it clear that if we attack them again,
48:53 they are going to do that because I'm
48:56 sure we will hit their deselination plants as well.
49:00 I don't think there's much question about that.
49:04 Yeah.
49:04 Well, Colonel, I guess we'll we'll let you go here.
49:06 I know Larry Johnson, friend of the show, Larry Johnson,
49:08 saying May 7th is a date that he's
49:10 been hearing for possible restarting of this war.
49:13 You said about 48 hours for some sort of a new strike.
49:17 Is that can is that what we can expect?
49:20 Uh some sort of none of us.
49:22 Well, Larry has excellent sources.
49:25 I I I cannot say with absolute certainty it starts tomorrow.
49:29 All I'm saying is that we're on the precipice.
49:33 Yeah.
49:33 And you've got a lot of people out there,
49:34 soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines.
49:37 You can only cut squares in the ocean for so long.
49:40 You can only burn fuel for so long.
49:42 You can only sit on strip alert for so long.
49:46 And you've got an estimated 15,000 light infantrymen, marine and army.
49:51 And you know, I wouldn't want to be in that part of the world this time of year.
49:54 I don't know if you've been over there, but it's like 140 degrees in the shade.
49:57 It's crazy.
49:58 Yeah.
50:00 Right.
49:59 So, you have to do something or not.
50:02 But do something to get them killed.
50:05 Like I think I'd rather,
50:07 you know, sit there and skip a sunburn than do something, right?
50:12 And you know the larger question, Natalie,
50:14 to go to your point is if we if we leave,
50:17 if we say that's enough on humanitarian grounds,
50:21 this must end and we don't we just get out, what happens?
50:27 Mhm.
50:27 Well, Israel's going to be very unhappy.
50:29 They're going to have a lot of trouble surviving.
50:31 Let's be frank.
50:32 You can't tell all your neighbors you're
50:34 subhuman and then expect them to embrace you.
50:37 So, I think Israel's in a lot of trouble, but we're not.
50:41 We'll survive this.
50:42 We can get back back to something important and let's focus on our country.
50:47 We don't need to invade Cuba for God's sakes.
50:51 That's next.
50:52 Yeah.
50:52 Don't want to do that either.
50:54 Not available for that.
50:55 Well, I hope people are I I hope Americans Americans need to wake up.
51:00 They need to wake up to what you're saying.
51:02 Uh we are heading into a dark
51:03 time right now unless we reverse course immediately.
51:07 Colonel, thank you so much for your insights and analysis as always.
51:11 And for the record, I'm not running for any office.
51:14 I go to bed at 9:30.
51:16 I cannot be up.
51:17 I was I cannot be up for
51:19 I was I was I was already looking on ticket master or whatever.
51:22 I was going to order tickets to that debate cuz I want to go to that debate.
51:26 Okay.
51:26 But I guess that's never me against who?
51:29 Oh my god.
51:31 Whatever you do, don't drink heavily.
51:32 Stop.
51:35 Okay.
51:34 I don't.
51:35 She's got that going for it.
51:36 Kla has to bring a big bottle of wine.
51:39 Colonel, great to see you as always.
51:40 Thank you so much, sir.
51:41 Thanks, Doug.
51:42 All right.
51:43 Yeah.
51:43 No, you guys remember I put forward the effort party.
51:48 That's like you can take that and run with it.
51:50 I'm not going to lead it.
51:51 I go to Costco on Fridays and I go to bed at 9:30.
51:54 So, I don't have it in me to campaign for anything.
51:58 I have time.
51:58 I'll run, but I'm not leaving my office.
52:00 So, they'll just have to No one will know what I look like.
52:03 You could be the first virtual president.
52:07 Yeah, there you go.
52:07 I'll be like the gorillas only president edition.
52:09 It'll I'll just be I'll make a a cartoon monkey of myself or something and
52:13 da punk.
52:14 You just you just like show up some No one
52:16 knows who you what you are, what you look like.
52:19 Actually, that's a great question and I couldn't be politicians.
52:22 Could you imagine the first AI I bet there's
52:25 going to be an AI president at some point.
52:26 Can you imagine that?
52:28 Can you imagine?
52:29 Yes, I can.
52:29 first AI president any worse than what we what we have.
52:33 So, I'd probably vote for that.
52:34 It it'd be it'd be totally pro it'd be totally programmed by Palunteer.
52:39 You'd have your first Palunteer AI president.
52:43 You're starting to see more of it on Reddit,
52:44 but um people people are now starting to when someone asks a question on Reddit,
52:49 people are just giving absolute wrong nonsense
52:51 answers and then upvoting it to the very
52:53 top of the of the list so that when somebody searches that question,
52:57 that's the answer that comes by because AI is
52:59 starting to pick that up because it's scrubbing Reddit.
53:02 So that like so the the one the one I saw something today was like
53:05 somebody asked a question about something and like the the answer was something
53:08 about hydrochloric acid in your urethra and and like that basically that's
53:13 just it's becoming a bit of a trend on Reddit and it's hilarious.
53:16 That's funny.
53:17 They're fighting back against AI.
53:19 All right.
53:20 I mean I just wonder what book Go ahead.
53:23 What book the AI would swear in on?
53:26 That's uh good question.
53:28 The Satanic Bible.
53:29 I don't know.
53:30 Iroot.
53:31 Yeah.
53:31 Iroot.
53:32 Yeah.
53:33 The the Foundation by Isaac Azimoff or something like that.
53:36 I don't know.
53:37 I mean, the AI would have no scandal, right?
53:40 No mistress.
53:42 Yeah.
53:42 Nothing.
53:42 So, I don't know.
53:44 No human flaws.
53:47 Yeah.
53:47 Interesting.
53:48 All right.
53:48 Uh, coming up.
53:49 Oh, you want to say something?
53:50 No.
53:50 I was going to say thanks to the tens
53:52 of thousands of you watching on Rumble, on YouTube, on X.
53:55 Um, so yeah, in fact, you know, we we stream live on X as well.
53:59 and um perhaps I don't give them enough love over there,
54:02 but we are live on X as well streaming there.
54:04 So, we got a couple thousand of you watching us on X.
54:06 So, hello to all of our folks on X.
54:08 Um, thank you so much.
54:10 Um, Glenn though on X said this.
54:13 Glenn Tamir said, "I can't imagine why Israel bombed Lebanon.
54:17 Pray tell.
54:17 You sure that Israel didn't attack Hezbollah or does
54:20 that not fit your narrative with four question marks?
54:23 Tells you all you need to know." Um, no.
54:26 They say, of course, that they are attacking Hezbollah,
54:28 but when you attack indiscriminate apartment complexes,
54:31 are you going after specifically just the head of Hezbollah?
54:35 You're trying this assassination target,
54:36 which is what they were trying to do, and you collateral damage.
54:40 Also, Glenn, don't be a dumbass.
54:42 Uh, Israel says that they give notice of the places that they are going to bomb.
54:47 They did not do that on April 8th, but they say they usually do.
54:51 They do that by sending out text messages
54:54 to people who maybe don't have great cell reception.
54:57 And they do it within a short period of time, three minutes.
55:01 So if you are Hezbollah, you can watch for those messages and get out of there.
55:05 There's no reason to bomb a civilian apartment complex, right?
55:10 So killing children, Hezbollah, okay?
55:13 Just so the narr We don't have a narrative on this show, by the way.
55:16 We are vehemently anti-war and vehemently anti-imperialism.
55:20 So when these countries want to expand their territory and take over other
55:23 countries and kill indiscriminate children and women
55:26 um for their own greater Israel project, we are vehemently against that.
55:31 Yeah.
55:30 Um so just so you know, and if by the way,
55:32 Iran was expanding its presence and invading
55:35 Israel and carrying out multiple attacks
55:37 around the world and trying to carry out terrorist attacks all over the world,
55:40 we would call that out.
55:41 But that hasn't happened.
55:43 That hasn't happened.
55:44 And they haven't attacked the United States despite what
55:46 the rhetoric is and the narratives coming from Marco Rubio's mouth.
55:50 um as well.
55:51 But anyway, I just wanted to say that.
55:53 Okay.
55:53 Hey, we've got more news to get to.
55:54 We're going to talk about Melania Trump and Epstein.
55:56 Uh this story is crazy and we're not going to give it away.
56:00 We want to tell because Dererick Rose is
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56:04 Remember a few weeks ago when Melania just randomly without
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56:09 They didn't even know about the press corps didn't even know about it.
56:12 She comes out and holds a press conference about Epstein connections.
56:16 Like what?
56:17 Well, once you start to peel this onion back, it gets very, very stinky.
56:21 Uh, we're going to talk about that.
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1:00:16 Recently, First Lady Melania Trump held a press conference and she
1:00:20 said she had never had anything to do with Jeffrey Epstein.
1:00:23 It was a totally out ofthe- blue moment and we don't know what it was about.
1:00:28 Specifically, she said she had never been friends with Epstein.
1:00:32 She said that she and the president were invited to the same parties from time
1:00:36 to time and that it was just over overlapping social circles, which is common.
1:00:41 Okay.
1:00:41 Well, investigative investigative journalist Derek Bro says there's more to it.
1:00:46 He says there have been connections between
1:00:48 Melania and her longtime friend Amanda Angaro,
1:00:52 who posted this just before the first lady's announcement.
1:00:56 So, who is Amanda Angaro?
1:00:59 Well, she was close friends with Melania before she
1:01:02 was deported with the help of her exhusband Paulo Zampoli.
1:01:08 Now, incidentally, Zampoli was appointed by President Trump
1:01:12 recently as the special envoy for global partnerships.
1:01:16 Uh, how does this all connect to Epstein?
1:01:19 Derek Bros joins us today to tell the story.
1:01:22 Thank you so much for joining us.
1:01:24 Hey, thank you for having me on again, Natalie.
1:01:25 I appreciate it.
1:01:27 Always a pleasure.
1:01:28 Uh so let's walk through this Angaro relationship because he is
1:01:33 still close to the Trumps and he does have the power apparently
1:01:37 to get his ex-wife deported and she has been making waves
1:01:41 in international press and not surprisingly the US press has been ignoring her.
1:01:46 So can we just sort of start from the beginning
1:01:48 at who she is the Brazilian model and then her connections?
1:01:53 Absolutely.
1:01:53 So she is as you said a former Brazilian model.
1:01:56 Um, she was originally, you know,
1:01:58 the the Epstein connection starts from the beginning of her career.
1:02:01 She was 15 years old when she was first brought to the US on Epstein's plane
1:02:05 and her modeling agent at that time was
1:02:07 Jeanluke Bernell of the Mquar M2 modeling agency.
1:02:11 For those who've been following the Epstein
1:02:12 saga and the Epstein network for years, you've probably heard that name.
1:02:15 He was sort of the French connection to this.
1:02:17 And as I point out in the article, uh,
1:02:20 Jeanlu Bernell has actually been under suspicion and, you know,
1:02:23 had accusations of abusing um, young girls and models going back to 1988 when 60
1:02:28 Minutes actually put out a report called American Girls in Paris.
1:02:32 Of course, nothing ever came of it and he continued
1:02:34 on abusing people and continued to be a part of Epstein,
1:02:37 Jeffrey Epste and Gileain Maxwell's network.
1:02:39 He was later on arrested shortly after Jeffrey Epste and we are told he
1:02:43 also allegedly killed himself while waiting to go to trial in a French prison.
1:02:47 But it was him who brought Amanda Unmaro over to the US on Epstein's plane.
1:02:52 She says she, you know, saw Jeffrey Epstein,
1:02:54 saw a bunch of young girls around him, didn't really know who he was.
1:02:57 She doesn't claim to have any sort of interaction or that she was abused by him.
1:03:00 But it was through that connection that she
1:03:02 ended up meeting her future husband and now ex-husband,
1:03:05 Paulo Zoli, who is an Italian businessman who
1:03:08 is also involved with u the modeling world.
1:03:11 as the recent Epstein files and emails have shown us that Paulo
1:03:14 Zampoli um actually was trying to buy a modeling agency called Elite
1:03:19 Management with Jeffrey Epste and this was reported decades ago but now
1:03:22 we have email confirmation of this showing them discussing this um that never
1:03:27 happened but so Paulo Zoli himself he's involved in the modeling world
1:03:30 she's brought over she eventually goes back to Brazil as a young
1:03:33 girl and you can even find I think it's a Vanity Fair
1:03:36 article from the early 2000s where Paulo Zoli references an unnamed young model,
1:03:41 Brazilian model who he was falling in love with and he said she was, you know,
1:03:45 only 17 at the time and he was sending her Easter gifts
1:03:47 and flowers and presents and he couldn't wait for her, you know,
1:03:50 to be of age and nobody thought it was odd at the time, I guess.
1:03:54 But, uh, that ended up being her um, you know,
1:03:56 they ended up getting married and they now
1:03:58 have a child together and during that time uh, Paulo Zoli and Amanda Angaro,
1:04:04 as you showed a moment ago with some of the pictures,
1:04:05 there's dozens and dozens of pictures.
1:04:07 I don't think these are just random kind of they hung out at a party one time.
1:04:10 They seem to be very close.
1:04:12 In Amanda Angaro's words,
1:04:14 the uh the Secret Service would bring her son birthday gifts from Melania.
1:04:18 They would hang out.
1:04:19 Uh they spent a lot of time together.
1:04:21 and uh Amanda Angaro, as you mentioned there,
1:04:24 the day before this random press conference from Melania,
1:04:27 she started tweeting out and posting not only tagging Pam Bondi and others,
1:04:32 but saying to Melania directly on some
1:04:34 of her various Twitter accounts on the first lady accounts,
1:04:37 saying, you know, I know your secrets, you know, I'm going to expose you.
1:04:40 She's since deleted some of those tweets,
1:04:42 but there are still others that are up.
1:04:44 She does have a Twitter account.
1:04:45 She has only retweeted a few people.
1:04:47 You can go if you go to her account,
1:04:49 you can look at her replies and sort of see the different comments she's made.
1:04:52 But she has started to speak up to international media.
1:04:55 She gave interviews to Okobo in Brazil, to El Pais and Spain.
1:05:00 And then most recently, she's done interviews for the network RAI,
1:05:04 which is the Italian sort of state media that has been doing
1:05:07 this ongoing series on Paulo Zenoli because of course he's an Italian citizen.
1:05:12 The first episode of that was called the Epstein war.
1:05:14 The second one that came out last weekend uh was called The Shark.
1:05:18 And there was another one that just came out this weekend,
1:05:20 but it was not specifically related to Amanda Angaro.
1:05:22 And it's in those interviews that Amanda is now saying
1:05:26 that she believes that there is a pact between Melania
1:05:30 and Paulo Zoli uh specifically to basically look after each
1:05:35 other and and cover up each other's uh potential crimes.
1:05:38 And the the sort of underlying claim here is that Jeffrey
1:05:43 Epstein was the one who actually introduced Donald Trump to Melania Trump.
1:05:47 Now, of course, in that press conference, Melania has said this is false.
1:05:50 She's actually been suing different people.
1:05:52 She sued a book publisher in the UK.
1:05:54 She sued the Daily Mail back in 2016 because they
1:05:56 said that she was she used to be a high-priced escort.
1:06:00 Um, this is when Trump was first running and she
1:06:02 successfully sued them and got that article taken down.
1:06:04 But Milan uh but uh Amanda is suggesting
1:06:07 that there may be some truth to this claim
1:06:09 that Epstein introduced the two of them
1:06:11 and actually in the Epstein files Epstein himself says
1:06:14 this in one of the emails but the official
1:06:16 story according to the Trumps is that was Paulo
1:06:18 and Poli at a party that introduced the two
1:06:20 of them and that's what they're sticking um by.
1:06:22 But it appears at least according to Amanda and uh there was also a recorded
1:06:27 a leaked phone call where Paulo
1:06:28 and Poli himself mentioned some type of agreement.
1:06:31 He said he signed a confidentiality agreement and basically he would never turn
1:06:35 his back on the Trumps uh that you know they helped reward him with jobs
1:06:39 in the first administration and now
1:06:40 in the second administration for him speaking
1:06:43 up and and and defending Melania and he references a pact or an agreement
1:06:48 and so we don't have the solid details the solid evidence yet but signs
1:06:52 are definitely pointing in the direction
1:06:53 that Melania or both maybe Melania and Donald
1:06:56 Trump made in some type of agreement with Paulo and Poli and again
1:07:01 uh Amanda and Garo is claiming it's related to the truth about who introduced,
1:07:04 you know, Melania to Donald Trump and Paulo
1:07:08 in this leaked call seems to reference that as well.
1:07:10 And I just want to make one other quick note here,
1:07:12 you know, for those who might be hearing this and say,
1:07:14 "Okay, Derek, what does this have to do with, you know,
1:07:16 the the price of food or the price of gas?
1:07:18 How is this going to affect my daily life?
1:07:19 This just sounds like a bunch of rich
1:07:21 people gossip or celebrity gossip." I understand that.
1:07:23 But I think if you really put
1:07:25 this into the context of what we're discussing here,
1:07:27 if Jeffrey Epstein and his network,
1:07:29 which we know was connected to intelligence, most likely Israeli intelligence,
1:07:32 and was all around the world
1:07:35 abusing people through fashion and through modeling,
1:07:37 if it was Jeffrey Epstein and that network who brought Melania
1:07:41 over or at least played a role in that and then introduced
1:07:44 the now current president of the United States to her and she
1:07:47 is now the first lady of the president of the United States.
1:07:49 That's a pretty high level for this uh network to have infiltrated.
1:07:54 And I think that's that's really the concern here
1:07:55 is the implications of if it's true that Epstein
1:07:58 was the one who introduced Melania to Donald
1:08:01 Trump and if it's true that Paulo Zoli was
1:08:03 indeed involved in some sort of pact to cover
1:08:06 that up to defend the Trumps because after
1:08:08 that press conference just as one more example he
1:08:10 said I'll testify US in front of US Congress.
1:08:13 I'm willing to share my story.
1:08:14 So, he's been a loyal friend to them and repeating
1:08:17 this story over and over to make sure people know I'm
1:08:20 the one who did it and it is potentially that uh
1:08:23 they are just covering up for you know what really happened
1:08:27 right and so recently Paulo Zampoli had his ex-wife deported so that I
1:08:36 guess you could wonder here's the question not the assertion but the question
1:08:40 did he try to take her and move her far away
1:08:43 from in the United States where she can't say what she needs to say.
1:08:46 Obviously, the internet doesn't work that way, but it would be convenient.
1:08:50 Now, he said that, you know, all I did was I didn't do anything,
1:08:54 but the New York Times reported that he
1:08:56 did call uh Department of Homeland Security.
1:09:00 Um he says she's a liar because all Latin ladies are liars.
1:09:03 That's incredibly offensive to me uh as Latin, but okay.
1:09:09 Um, what do you think was Can you explain
1:09:12 that bit a little bit better than I just did?
1:09:14 Yeah, sure.
1:09:15 So, as you mentioned, the New York Times a couple months ago,
1:09:17 they reported that Paulo Zampoli, according to their sources within ICE,
1:09:22 had called some uh had called an official and said, "Hey,
1:09:26 this this case of this woman, Amanda Angaro,
1:09:29 is very important to the president, very important to the White House." Now,
1:09:32 Amanda had already been previously arrested last year in 2025
1:09:36 with her, I believe it's her her new husband.
1:09:38 Uh they were running a clinic in Miami,
1:09:41 and they were arrested allegedly on fraud
1:09:44 charges for doing cosmetic surgery without a license.
1:09:47 Now, those claims haven't been, you know, adjudicated in court,
1:09:50 but Amanda has stated on social media that those charges are
1:09:54 completely trumped up and that that was basically the doing of Paulo
1:09:58 using his connections to get them to come after her in order
1:10:00 for her to get arrested and then for him to say, "Hey, this lady's in in jail.
1:10:05 The president and the White House would really
1:10:07 love this case to be sped up." And so,
1:10:09 it's potentially that she would have been deported
1:10:11 anyways based on those charges and those accusations.
1:10:14 They officially say she had an expired visa,
1:10:16 but it definitely appears that Palo Zoli at least expedited the process.
1:10:20 And he does admit that he called ICE.
1:10:22 He just claims he didn't tell them to get rid of her.
1:10:24 He just said he was checking on the case because, you know,
1:10:27 I think one of the worst parts of it is
1:10:28 that they do have a son together, a young son.
1:10:30 His name is Giovani.
1:10:31 And you can see it appears like in my perspective,
1:10:33 Paulo Zoli is kind of using him as a prop.
1:10:36 He uses him a lot of his uh Twitter post and showing him there.
1:10:40 And also I think it might be a way to sort of jab
1:10:42 at Amanda like hey I've got our son
1:10:44 here because obviously since Amanda was deported
1:10:46 to Brazil she does not have custody of her son now Paulo is Paul
1:10:50 and police flying around Italy and other places and has their son with them.
1:10:53 So, if this these other pieces of the puzzle are true,
1:10:57 that there was a pact and that it somehow relates to Epstein introducing Melania
1:11:02 or something else that we might not even be uh aware of at the moment,
1:11:06 then yes, it's convenient for him to get his ex-wife deported and say,
1:11:09 "See, she's not a fit mother.
1:11:10 She's being deported by ICE.
1:11:12 You know, I need full custody of my son." And uh
1:11:15 and I will also say that just as of this morning,
1:11:17 I I noticed there's another researcher on Twitter.
1:11:19 His name's Anthony Andrews.
1:11:21 I think he also has a Substack.
1:11:22 He's been talking about this as well
1:11:24 and he actually just received a cease and dece
1:11:27 desist letter about 4 days ago from Paulo
1:11:30 Zimpol's attorneys threatening him with, you know,
1:11:34 further action, legal action if he doesn't take down all
1:11:37 of his tweets about Paulo Zoli and and issue a public apology.
1:11:41 Now, I haven't received anything like this yet,
1:11:43 but it just shows you a sign that he's he's definitely very aware of the chatter
1:11:47 that's going on and um and I don't think he has any legal grounds.
1:11:50 People have freedom of speech to say what they want.
1:11:52 I don't Anthony Andrews doesn't seem to be just making things up.
1:11:55 He's reporting and asking the same questions that I am here,
1:11:58 which I think are based on evidence.
1:12:00 You know, if if Amanda's giving interviews to the Italian media,
1:12:03 saying she believes based on her experience as a friend of Melania,
1:12:08 knowing both the Trumps and this being her ex-husband,
1:12:11 that there was a pack, that there was agreement.
1:12:13 She specifically said something to the effect that you know
1:12:15 after the Trumps came into office then uh Paulo Zoli got
1:12:20 a boost and you know they started getting all this love
1:12:22 from them but now Melania is essentially turning her back on her.
1:12:26 That's how she's framing it.
1:12:27 And then again I will mention that the second report
1:12:29 from the Italian media includes a leaked audio of a phone call
1:12:32 that Pablo Zenoli is having with another friend where he's specifically
1:12:36 discussing this and he's talking about some arrangement if I can.
1:12:40 Let me just quote him real quick so I don't want to misquote him.
1:12:43 He says, "I wrote the document for the president and for the first lady.
1:12:46 They used it for the speech." This is in reference
1:12:48 to the Daily Mail uh lawsuit back in 2017.
1:12:51 With the Daily Mail, we just won an enormous case.
1:12:53 An enormous case.
1:12:54 I can't talk about it because I have a confidentiality
1:12:56 agreement and I still have to cash the check.
1:12:58 We won last week.
1:13:00 I am in this country thanks to President Trump.
1:13:02 He gave me a job.
1:13:03 I started in real estate, built myself a nice house.
1:13:05 I would never betray a friend.
1:13:07 So, you know, take that how you will.
1:13:09 We'll see if Amanda speaks um further.
1:13:12 I have heard some whispers in the wind that she is
1:13:15 potentially going to be is is trying to speak to some US
1:13:18 politicians to see if she can be brought in front
1:13:20 of the US Congress for uh a hearing in front of a committee.
1:13:23 We'll see if that pans out.
1:13:25 But um that's where it's at right now.
1:13:27 And I think that this again, we can't prove for certain,
1:13:29 but I think this might be a piece of the puzzle when all
1:13:32 of us were wondering why did Melania just give this random press conference.
1:13:35 She was kind of in the shadows and nobody was really talking about her.
1:13:38 If anything, she brought more attention to this and the the mainstream media
1:13:42 reports that Trump didn't even know she was going to give that press conference.
1:13:44 Who knows how much of that is true, but either way,
1:13:46 this situation with Amanda Angaro may be part
1:13:49 of the reason why she chose to speak up right now, right?
1:13:54 I mean, it just makes me feel like what you resist persists.
1:13:59 Um, you talked about how in 1996 when Melania
1:14:02 was brought over as a model on a contract, she was sponsored by Paulo Zenoli
1:14:09 and she was awarded the so-called Epstein visa.
1:14:13 Can you please explain that?
1:14:15 It's actually the Einstein Einstein.
1:14:17 Sorry, Einstein visa.
1:14:18 Sorry, I read it wrong.
1:14:20 Maybe maybe it should be renamed.
1:14:22 Exactly.
1:14:22 Uh but so that Einstein visa is as it the name implies
1:14:26 supposed to be for really brilliant people not only academically but I did
1:14:31 look further into it and it says people who are excelling in their fields
1:14:34 and it doesn't mention anything about excelling in the field of modeling.
1:14:38 I mean not to say that couldn't qualify but it seems very
1:14:40 odd for people that this specific visa which is supposed to be
1:14:44 for people who are the you know brightest and brilliant minds
1:14:47 in the academic world and science and even in sports and things like that.
1:14:52 So, I guess you could kind of stretch it and say, well,
1:14:53 she was this elite model and so she qualified under the Einstein visa,
1:14:57 but there have been questions for years about
1:14:59 how that happened and who pulled what strings,
1:15:01 but yes, Paulo Zoli was her original sponsor
1:15:04 to help her get into the United States.
1:15:06 And so, um, and again,
1:15:08 what I'm about to say is is complete speculation at the moment.
1:15:11 There are definitely other people on the internet who will claim this is true.
1:15:13 I don't think we can prove it,
1:15:15 but there has long been suspicion that Melania was one of potentially
1:15:20 Epstein's victims brought over um and as a model and and and eventually,
1:15:25 you know, introduced to Donald Trump and and now in the White House.
1:15:28 Now, again, that may be where some of this this rabbit hole leads eventually,
1:15:33 but at the moment, we have Epstein himself
1:15:35 saying that he's the one who introduced them.
1:15:37 Uh we have this discussion of a pact between
1:15:40 um Melania and Paulo Zoli both in his you
1:15:43 know him talking about a confidentiality agreement
1:15:45 and his ex-wife saying that she believed there was
1:15:47 a pact based on everything she saw and there's
1:15:50 also another confidential source that was in the FBI
1:15:52 and the FBI uh document dumps recently that also
1:15:56 mentions um Melania being introduced to Trump by Epstein.
1:16:00 So, at this moment, it's he said, she said, but I think that uh you know,
1:16:04 the questions are not answered and and hopefully
1:16:06 Amanda will be willing to speak up soon.
1:16:08 I will also note as I do in my article,
1:16:10 she has been hinting that she has a book coming up
1:16:12 soon and so some of her detractors or critics are saying,
1:16:15 "Oh, she's just, you know,
1:16:16 trying to drag this out for book sales or something." I don't know.
1:16:19 I I don't claim to know, but she seems to be um preparing to to speak up more.
1:16:24 She posted recently a picture of herself at the gym said,
1:16:27 "The comeback begins now." now.
1:16:28 So, who knows what she's preparing for.
1:16:30 Like I said, there's been whispers
1:16:31 of her potentially getting in front of US Congress.
1:16:34 I don't know what that would entail since she was deported by ICE,
1:16:36 if they can legally bring her back now or or what that exactly would look or if
1:16:40 it would just be a remote interview um as some of the media has been doing.
1:16:43 But I plan to stay on this and in the article that we're covering today.
1:16:47 People can find it at the last americananvagabond.com and I
1:16:49 plan to follow if there are any more updates.
1:16:52 Right here's a screenshot of it.
1:16:53 Uh it's called the Zampoli Melania Pact.
1:16:57 Amanda Angaro, Epstein Connections, and the leaked phone call.
1:17:00 Uh, thank you so much for bringing this to us.
1:17:02 It's uh, it's tricky, but there are smoking guns here that we are owed answers.
1:17:08 So, thank you, Derek Bros.
1:17:09 Always a pleasure.
1:17:11 Thank you.
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