Soapy | Eileen Davidson's Enduring Superstardom | S3 EP10

Soapy | Eileen Davidson's Enduring Superstardom | S3 EP10

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0:00 Hello everybody.

0:01 Welcome to Soapie.

0:02 I'm Rebecca Buddy.

0:03 And I'm Greg Ricard.

0:04 Um, okay.

0:06 Okay.

0:07 Greg.

0:08 Okay.

0:09 Go ahead.

0:09 Are you having a stroke?

0:10 No, I'm good.

0:12 What do you think makes a soap opera legend?

0:16 Soap opera legend.

0:17 Not you.

0:18 Not you.

0:19 Well, you know, it's funny.

0:20 When we when we first launched this year podcast and we were doing some press,

0:23 we kept getting introduced as soap opera legends.

0:26 Well, people overuse that word and overuse iconic.

0:29 But I would say our guest today

0:32 is someone who without is legit a legend, right?

0:35 I think

0:37 she has been identifiable in this genre for decades for her beauty, her talent,

0:43 uh the fact that she has played iconic roles on three different soaps.

0:48 Yeah.

0:49 And I told you I'm like I I've been obsessed with her beauty.

0:52 I mean, and her acting actually um for years.

0:55 So, I was I'm just really excited to

0:58 Well, let's tell everybody who we're talking about.

1:00 The one, the only Eileen Davidson, who of course you know as Ashley Abbott

1:04 on the Young and the Restless as a plethora

1:06 of different characters on um Days of Our Lives

1:09 and also uh going way back to Santa Barbara

1:13 and recently of Beverly the Real House of Beverly Hills,

1:16 which isn't a soap, but not so many.

1:19 It's in the it's in family, I would say.

1:22 Yeah.

1:22 Well, it's going to be a really great interview, guys.

1:24 So, stick around.

1:25 We'll be right back with the lovely and amazing Eileen Davidson.

1:41 Well, I don't know.

1:41 Are you going to start or am I going to start?

1:44 Oh, Eileen.

1:45 Eileen Davidson is here, guys.

1:47 Welcome.

1:47 Welcome.

1:49 Do you want to introduce us?

1:52 Yeah.

1:51 We're doing things different today.

1:53 Um, we're so thrilled and honored to have you with us.

1:56 Oh, thank you.

1:56 I'm excited.

1:57 Thanks.

1:58 Um, I don't know where to start, but I have an idea.

2:01 Okay, go ahead.

2:01 No, go ahead because there's a lot I want to ask her about.

2:04 Okay.

2:05 I remember one of the first times I worked with you.

2:07 We were against the the front door at the Abbott mansion.

2:10 I think I remember.

2:10 And it was that weird those weird I'm sorry.

2:12 I'm jumping right in everybody.

2:14 Were you with Space Invaders?

2:15 They they block you where you're so close to each other.

2:18 I didn't know him.

2:18 And I'm in his face and I'm like,

2:20 "You've got gorgeous green eyes." I remember saying that to you.

2:23 You have the most remarkable green eyes.

2:25 Thanks.

2:25 And you have beautiful blue eyes.

2:27 That is not my first memory of you.

2:28 My memory of you is

2:31 I feel like Jesse was an infant and I just remember you being

2:36 Jesse is your son.

2:37 Yes.

2:37 Who's now almost 23.

2:39 Yeah.

2:39 That tracks.

2:40 Um

2:42 seriously,

2:42 I know you were on the show that long ago.

2:45 Yeah.

2:46 Yeah.

2:46 I know.

2:47 He looks like he's 12.

2:48 I don't like him very much.

2:49 That's crazy.

2:51 That's I started in 2003.

2:54 June 2003.

2:55 Okay.

2:55 He was a month old.

2:56 So that's wild.

2:57 He's brand new.

2:58 And I remember you being in hair and makeup with him and and probably

3:01 a caretaker to take care of him while you were on set.

3:04 A caretaker.

3:05 Yes.

3:05 A caretaker or take care of you.

3:08 I don't know.

3:08 Whoever

3:11 Yes.

3:11 My gardener is here to take care of my child.

3:16 Yeah.

3:15 Oh my god.

3:15 The caretaker.

3:17 I don't know, a nanny, whoever it was.

3:19 Uh that's that's my first memory of you.

3:21 Um

3:23 but yeah, we just jumped right into it.

3:25 Yeah.

3:25 And uh and you guys just met for the first time, right?

3:27 Well, I saw her passing in the hall.

3:29 Passing in the hall.

3:30 You were looking for what room they were putting

3:31 you in that day and I just remember thinking,

3:33 "Oh my god, she is so beautiful in person." So sweet.

3:37 Thank you.

3:38 I've always found you to be striking.

3:39 And you are an terrific actress.

3:41 But um you've taken breaks from here and there on YNR.

3:45 Yes.

3:45 Oh, yeah.

3:46 Yeah.

3:46 She's like, "Yeah, 10 years.

3:48 10 years here, 10 years there.

3:50 10 years there." Yeah.

3:52 Yeah.

3:52 But let's start at the beginning.

3:53 I know you're the youngest of seven, right?

3:55 And I'm the youngest of eight.

3:56 I was like, "Oh, wow." You know, you can't really understand that

4:00 until you're that, right?

4:02 Um what that what that means.

4:04 But um what

4:04 and and there's a 14-year gap.

4:06 Is that correct?

4:06 Between between me and my eldest brother, there was a 14 year.

4:10 And then my sister was 13 and 13 and then 12.

4:13 And

4:13 Oh, that's big.

4:14 Yeah.

4:14 And I had the same 14-year gap with my oldest brother as well.

4:18 Anyway,

4:19 um but you I know you grew up in California.

4:24 Yes, I did.

4:24 Yes.

4:25 And then you ended up in Hawaii at some point.

4:27 When I was 19.

4:28 When you were 19.

4:29 And you were like writing.

4:30 I was there for a couple months deciding what I wanted to do with my life.

4:33 I want to go into school back to school

4:36 and be a marine biologist or if I was going to give modeling a try.

4:39 And crazily enough, I found something going through like during CO,

4:43 I went through my closets and I found

4:44 something I'd written when I was 19 in Hawaii.

4:47 I think I'd just gotten back from Hawaii and I said,

4:49 "Oh my god, for the first time, I'm alone.

4:51 I don't really have a home with mom and dad anymore.

4:54 It's time for me to go.

4:54 I don't have an apartment yet.

4:56 I don't have a boyfriend.

4:57 It's just me.

4:58 I think I'm going to move to Los Angeles.

5:00 I've got a feeling." And I framed it like two weeks ago.

5:04 I framed I thought, "This is so crazy." A

5:06 I mean I had no reason to have that feeling by the way.

5:10 I had none except I done a little modeling in Newport Beach like bikini shows.

5:15 That was it.

5:16 And what did you do in Hawaii?

5:17 Were you pursuing

5:18 I had a girlfriend that lived there and I

5:20 went for two weeks and I stayed for two months on the Big Island or

5:24 on the on uh the north shore of Aahu.

5:26 Okay.

5:26 And back then, back in the stone age, uh we didn't have a car,

5:30 we did not have a TV, we had no phone, we had a little transistor radio.

5:36 And I literally, we'd have to go on the pay phone to call

5:38 my parents and let them know what was going on with me.

5:40 I ran out of money cuz I was staying so long.

5:42 So, I'd had a connection from Newport Beach that uh

5:46 knew the guy that did the photography for Crazy Shirts.

5:49 Do you guys know Crazy Shirts?

5:50 They're all the tourist stuff in every city.

5:53 The t-shirts.

5:54 He said, "If you need something, maybe you could go get a job there." So,

5:57 I called the guy on the pay phone.

5:59 I took the bus into Wik Ki,

6:02 which took literally two hours from the Northshore and I

6:04 got a modeling gig and earned my airfare back home.

6:08 Wow.

6:08 Anyway, that's a really long story for the Hawaii.

6:10 I'm so sorry.

6:10 We're going to be here for like two weeks.

6:12 Did you start?

6:14 Just hunker down.

6:15 Hunker down, Eileen.

6:16 Next day after.

6:19 Okay.

6:19 Wait.

6:19 So, okay.

6:20 So, then you COME BACK TO CALIFORNIA.

6:21 FASCINATING.

6:22 WAIT.

6:22 SO, YOU COME BACK TO LA.

6:23 So then what's the what what happens?

6:25 How do how do things start happening?

6:27 Really?

6:28 Okay.

6:28 No, I don't mean like the next day, but like

6:30 Yeah, we would like to know every single day when you came back.

6:33 I was a Nova.

6:34 Oh god.

6:36 Oh.

6:37 Uh I moved back in with my parents.

6:38 I I found of somebody uh another girl who was moving to LA.

6:43 She had a friend.

6:44 It was a guy.

6:45 It was two girls and a guy.

6:46 We lived in Los Angeles in West Hollywood.

6:51 And then I he oh I was modeling trying

6:53 to model even though that was never my destiny.

6:55 And he said you should take acting

6:56 classes to loosen you up for commercial acting.

6:58 Got it.

6:59 And I fell in love.

6:59 I cried like my first time.

7:01 I know.

7:01 I was destined for but never never before never like growing up.

7:05 Did you play?

7:07 Okay.

7:07 And the one line was and this is the Denfield living room.

7:10 I'll never forget it.

7:11 Everybody cheered.

7:12 It was all my family.

7:13 Oh my god.

7:14 It was all my family.

7:15 I know that feeling.

7:17 Like everyone here is my family.

7:18 The Davidsons are here.

7:19 Yeah.

7:21 So, okay.

7:21 So, um so when when did things start happening?

7:26 How soon after acting classes and

7:29 Yeah.

7:29 So, I was taking uh several acting classes.

7:32 I was actually cleaning the bathrooms of the school I went to

7:36 for classes because he'd give me like an extra class every month if

7:40 I cleaned the studio and the bathrooms and the toilets and the whole thing.

7:43 And um I was working in for my father

7:45 as well in Fullerton and taking dance classes and um

7:50 I quit my day job when I was 21 and I moved up there when I was not quite 20.

7:55 I was so lucky.

7:56 I started doing lowbudget movies,

7:57 a horror movie which you know well actually did not know

8:01 it well until this past week but um my husband had told

8:04 me you've got to watch House on Sorority Row and I

8:08 have since learned it is a huge cult favorite of Quinton Tarantino's.

8:13 It's mentioned in the original Scream movie,

8:17 right?

8:16 So, what amazes me most about that film um is,

8:21 and I said this to Rebecca earlier,

8:22 and I was trying to figure out the way to explain this,

8:26 that you're you're terrific in it.

8:28 You're 21.

8:29 Thank you.

8:29 Yeah.

8:31 And you are like, again, I hope this comes out the right way.

8:35 You're a fully formed, strong woman at 21.

8:40 Like, you are who you are today then.

8:43 And I was like,

8:44 oh god, no.

8:44 But they that's how that's how you you come across.

8:47 And I and it's funny because we had a little back and forth and you

8:50 said you didn't know that you can ask for a fake slap and you got so naive.

8:53 I was so incredibly stupid.

8:55 I was just a dumb.

8:57 But you were so good and you seem

8:59 so self-possessed and mature and that's what I was.

9:01 That's what it is.

9:02 I think you said like he said I see old old

9:05 videos of you acting when you're like 20 and I'm like oh

9:08 no.

9:08 I say there was there was a girl youthfulness there.

9:12 And then he said when I watch when he watched you um in this movie

9:16 that there's just a maturity like a like a real sense of self.

9:20 And did you not feel that at that age?

9:22 No.

9:23 Okay.

9:22 See if everything I just said.

9:24 No.

9:24 I mean, you know, I I really took it very seriously.

9:28 Maybe it was That's why I said slap me.

9:29 Go.

9:30 I told Kate McNeel, "Go ahead and slap me." Was she supposed to slap me?

9:34 Probably more.

9:34 Oh my god.

9:35 I was seeing stars.

9:36 I'm like, "Oh my god." But I wanted the reality.

9:39 I was a real actress and

9:41 you know I did a lot of things cuz I

9:43 wanted to be a real actress so I would just like

9:45 stabbed me with that thing for real.

9:47 Yeah.

9:47 I mean crazy stuff but yeah plus the director was great.

9:51 I just did for the first time I did like a horror con six months ago.

9:55 They asked me to do it for that

9:56 for the the remake.

9:57 There was a remake of it and they asked me to come and be on it.

9:59 I was there with the original director, Mark Rossman, and you know,

10:02 I had a little brief nudity in that movie and um there

10:06 was another scene that was supposed to be at it and I said,

10:09 "I'm really not comfortable." He goes, "Leave your shirt on.

10:11 It's okay." And I remember I was up on this panel and I said,

10:14 "Mark, you don't know what that meant to a 21-year-old actress

10:18 because it's just they wanted you to take your clothes off as much as possible.

10:21 I mean, they do.

10:22 They still do.

10:23 Always." Yeah.

10:23 So, it was just a really nice thing for him to do.

10:25 And he was a terrific director.

10:26 It holds its own a lot because of him and his vision.

10:29 and how much he believed in it.

10:30 Um, was anyone else from the movie there on the panel with you?

10:33 No.

10:34 Well, Kate is now she works with kids.

10:36 I think Kate McTill, she went on to do As the World Turns.

10:39 Oh, really?

10:39 And she had a really big um career in film and TV.

10:43 Um, and Harley Jane Kak was also in it.

10:46 Harley was on Texas and did Parenthood.

10:50 She had a big career, too, but they both kind of moved on to other things.

10:53 So, were you after when you were doing those low budget films,

10:56 were you kind of off and running?

10:58 Was was it sort of smooth sailing?

11:00 I got fired when I got house on sority where I was a waitress.

11:03 I was a server and I got fired because it was the second

11:05 movie I'd gotten in a couple months and the managers just said,

11:09 "If you're not going to stay here,

11:10 you got to go." And I just decided that was going to be my last day job.

11:13 I ran into him like a couple years ago.

11:16 Wow.

11:15 I said, "Thank you so much.

11:17 Thanks for firing me." Um, but yeah.

11:19 Oh my god.

11:20 How to randomly run into your old boss from a like a where where was it?

11:25 I know.

11:25 Well, my husband's ex-wife worked there, too.

11:27 So, he was like, "How's Betsy?" I'm like, "She's great."

11:30 That's a very, very small world, trust me.

11:32 Holy crap.

11:33 I know.

11:34 That is so funny.

11:35 I know.

11:35 So, what was your first soap opera then?

11:37 Was it Santa Barbara?

11:38 No, Wer.

11:39 Was it WR?

11:39 Wer was before Santa Barbara?

11:41 Yeah, I did win our Oh my god, your deep dive was so shallow.

11:44 Oh my god.

11:45 Oh my god.

11:45 Oh my god.

11:46 I love you.

11:47 I love you.

11:48 He's really shallow, isn't he?

11:50 You're shallow.

11:51 He doesn't know how to go deep.

11:52 I had such hopes for this interview.

11:54 Then I was prepped.

11:56 I just blew it all with um House and Sarity Row.

11:58 That's all I

11:59 spent six and a half years on WR in the 80s.

12:01 You missed the hair.

12:02 Oh my god.

12:04 Miss

12:04 I don't know why I thought Santa Barbara was before that.

12:07 No.

12:07 All right.

12:08 No, I was tell about that.

12:14 Yeah.

12:14 Had you watched soaps growing up?

12:15 You know, my sister I moved in with my sister when I was 16, 17.

12:19 I was her nanny when she had her kids and she was in love with Ryan Hope.

12:24 So, she got me hooked on Ryan's Hope, by the way, to get any kind of soap.

12:28 Ryan's Hope was brilliant.

12:29 Ryan's Hope was a very brilliant.

12:34 Yes.

12:33 I mean, that whole cast was incredible.

12:35 And the writing I know.

12:37 I remember.

12:38 I remember cuz I grew up, we had Ryan, wasn't it?

12:40 Ryan's Hope and All My Children, weren't they all on ABC?

12:44 But Ryan's Hope was like a half hour, I thought.

12:46 Yeah.

12:46 It was a good show.

12:47 So, that was like the show she watched.

12:48 So, I'd come home from school cuz I would

12:50 be done at noon and uh we'd watch that together.

12:52 And you know what else we do?

12:53 We'd play Pong.

12:55 You would?

12:55 Yeah.

12:55 Remember Pong?

12:57 Pong the Pong the video game was like the very first video game.

13:01 It's my sister.

13:02 Hey,

13:03 we watch soaps, played Pong, and we make pancakes and play Frisbee with him.

13:06 We were a couple of crazy kids.

13:08 That sounds hilarious and fun.

13:10 I went in on that.

13:11 Um, okay.

13:12 So, uh, we're digressing with, um, with what's his name?

13:15 Who played my dad on YNR who you worked with, too?

13:18 Um,

13:21 wow.

13:22 Wow.

13:22 I am so sorry.

13:23 You were supposed to do some homework for me.

13:26 Um, man, I'm on vacay on what?

13:29 Who?

13:29 Who played my Who?

13:31 Tom Fischer.

13:32 Okay, I know who you mean.

13:34 You do, right?

13:35 Yeah, but I can't I can't Oh my god.

13:38 Can we Google it?

13:39 I think we are right now.

13:42 GBT.

13:41 No, but he I know he worked on on Ryan's Hope before.

13:44 Yes.

13:44 Oh, yeah.

13:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.

13:46 Oh, yeah.

13:46 Tip of my tongue.

13:47 He's no longer with us.

13:48 No, he's not.

13:50 Can you take over?

13:50 I'm having I'm doing

13:51 We could talk about something else.

13:54 Rosco Borne.

13:54 Rosco Borne, who by the way was a terrific terrific actor.

13:57 Well, to I I meant to I was mentioning him because

13:59 when you talked about how great the actors from Ryan's Hope were,

14:02 he's obviously the first person I thought of

14:04 and you got to work with him on on Wine when

14:06 we were sort of quasi related for a minute, you and I.

14:10 Right.

14:10 Yeah.

14:11 With Tainted Face Cream and

14:14 Yeah.

14:13 Gloria and your dad and

14:15 Yeah.

14:15 Yeah.

14:15 There's a motorcycle in there somewhere, too.

14:17 I was with Tom the crazy guy, but whatever.

14:20 Yeah.

14:20 Ashley went motorcycle riding.

14:21 I remember.

14:22 So then what was that experience like to get a soap?

14:25 Like you know having sort of

14:26 I'm sure you remember.

14:27 You're so excited to work.

14:28 Yeah.

14:29 Yeah.

14:29 Well, yeah.

14:30 And also, but I watched the people when I

14:32 when I went to all my children at least, not guiding light per se,

14:35 but when I went to all my children,

14:36 I had watched all these people and I was like,

14:38 "Oh my god." Um, so it was kind of it was just Yeah.

14:42 I was excited to be there.

14:44 Yeah.

14:44 I mean, I I hadn't really watched Wine Art.

14:47 Um, I had been auditioning for General Hospital constantly

14:51 really before I got Winer.

14:52 Marvin Paige was a casting director at the time.

14:54 He was an incredible casting person,

14:57 the kind that would call you at home and tell you to come in the day before.

15:01 He'd work on it with you.

15:03 He was very gruff and he's scary.

15:05 He was very scary, but he would like work on it with me.

15:08 He really wanted me on that show.

15:11 And it was during it was right after the whole uh

15:14 Luke and Laura thing and they were right before Demi Demi

15:17 Moore came on and um it was right around that time

15:20 and he was really trying to get me on that show.

15:22 Did you audition for any roles that are still on that show?

15:25 I don't think so.

15:26 Not that are still on but big ones at the time.

15:30 Yeah.

15:29 I mean Yeah.

15:30 And then I got WR during that same time.

15:32 Who was the casting director at WR back then?

15:35 Man, are you stumped?

15:39 Oh,

15:38 I'm the guest.

15:42 Um,

15:43 this show is mean.

15:45 Should I send him out of this room?

15:47 Eileen, we can just hang out.

15:48 Speaking of casting directors, Tom.

15:50 His name was Tom.

15:51 It was a long time ago.

15:53 Wait, but speaking of casting directors, I I um asked Marne this morning,

15:57 I said, "Hey, do you have any good Eileen stories?"

15:58 I don't even have a Whis.

15:59 Oh my god.

16:00 Eileen I I Marne this morning said to me, I said,

16:03 "Do you have any good Eileen stories?" and she said,

16:05 "The first one that comes to mind is just

16:08 story

16:07 um is just that when you and your now husband Vinnie were on screen together,

16:11 just that your chemistry was incredible and so incredible

16:15 that you had to get married in real life."

16:17 Yeah, I know.

16:17 Crazy.

16:18 Yeah.

16:18 Yeah.

16:19 I think you just recently did a project together, didn't you?

16:21 Seven Days to We did that a few years ago.

16:24 Yeah.

16:25 Yeah.

16:25 I was I was shooting at the same time I

16:27 was doing Housewives and Wer and Days of Our Lives.

16:29 That's why I'm not working now.

16:30 I was doing a lot.

16:31 And you were writing because you also write, right?

16:33 Yeah.

16:34 So, it was busy.

16:35 Yeah.

16:36 How do you find like that must have been a bonkers time

16:39 because we know how hard it is with kids and families and

16:42 you you just you get really good at juggling

16:44 and I'm a very present parent as I'm sure you two are too.

16:47 You just

16:49 you don't do that.

16:50 You don't do this.

16:51 You I can do this that time, but I have to be here for that.

16:55 You just make it work.

16:56 Wait, so that was that was that was 2018, I think.

16:59 And and that was YinR days and housewives all at the same time.

17:03 Yeah, it was my last year on Housewives.

17:04 So, I was doing a lot of press for that.

17:06 And then Vinnie had this movie that was we were doing.

17:08 And you also had another movie that is this a film that you

17:11 wrote with your niece cuz I know you and your niece write together.

17:13 We're still pitching.

17:13 That was another one that was about to go and then his went first.

17:16 We had the same people producing it.

17:18 His went first and then by the time ours was supposed to go, they had lost.

17:22 They'd been uh pirated one of the movies.

17:25 So,

17:25 Oh, really?

17:25 It's a journey.

17:26 The whole writing thing is a journey.

17:28 Would you prefer to just write?

17:31 You know, that's a good question, Rebecca, because I thought so.

17:35 That felt pointed.

17:38 I didn't mean it that way, but you know, you thought so.

17:40 That's right.

17:40 Yeah.

17:41 Um, I did, but I really miss acting.

17:44 So, I've been kind of I miss acting.

17:46 I like it.

17:46 It's fun.

17:47 Do you like um acting in daytime or do you prefer to venture out and do

17:52 I like acting anywhere, but I like it to be I don't like long periods of acting,

17:57 you know, like short few months here.

18:00 The long contracts are a little overwhelming, but depends.

18:05 I don't like to say no to anything.

18:08 Yeah.

18:10 But

18:09 how did you like doing um The Housewives of Beverly Hills?

18:13 Okay, I'm just going to ask it.

18:16 Yeah.

18:15 Um how how did you like that experience doing a reality show?

18:19 It was so terrifying all the time,

18:22 but also fun and crazy and completely outside of my comfort zone.

18:26 And uh I don't have any regrets.

18:28 It's just been really interesting.

18:30 I just went to a party um a couple My stomach is growling.

18:34 Can you guys understand?

18:34 No, that was mine.

18:35 Oh, was it yours?

18:36 Was it mine?

18:37 I don't know.

18:38 Three of us.

18:39 We meet a pizza party.

18:40 My brain's not working out to get food.

18:42 I'm hungry.

18:44 Sorry.

18:44 Uh I just went to a party and it was so weird.

18:47 It felt really I hadn't seen anybody in years cuz once

18:49 I left I really kind of closed the door on it

18:53 and I just didn't every time I posted anything

18:55 on social media I kind of got dragged back into it.

18:58 So, I kind of had to just like not post anything

19:01 and I kind of just stayed very much away from it.

19:03 You didn't develop friendships that I did.

19:05 You did.

19:06 I did.

19:06 But after I kind of said, I really just need to stay away.

19:10 Yeah.

19:10 Um and then so I went back to the party.

19:12 It was good.

19:12 I saw Kyle Richards and I saw Erica and Denise and everybody

19:15 and it was fun to see everybody and not be in it, you know.

19:20 So, it was it's it's an interesting phenomenon.

19:24 Well, your your name also uh and I feel like Kyle

19:27 may have done a Bravo con recently where they said who would

19:31 you like to have back and she mentioned you because um

19:34 your name does sort of circle back as being someone who would

19:38 be uh who people really want to see on the show

19:40 again and my friend Sam who's a devout housewives fan says you

19:46 were she said I think the problem with Eileen was that she's

19:49 too classy for that show or maybe that you didn't need the

19:53 it it Sometimes when I watch it feels

19:55 like people are looking for that viral moment

19:58 and it did and you're a real person.

19:59 The beast the beast was a royal royal

20:02 a viral momental moment and and the slap and

20:06 and to your to your point how dare she

20:10 because a beast come on.

20:12 And who would ever look at you and call you a

20:14 you know whatever she wasn't well

20:16 whatever whatever but you know it's it's

20:18 the craziest thing is that um it's still very

20:22 much a part of culture I mean it's it's a huge thing it's morphed like you

20:27 asked me before if it was scripted it's

20:29 this everyone is produced by a different company

20:32 so they're not all yes there's evolution there's other ones

20:37 um this one definitely was they give you an idea what

20:39 they want you to accomplish in an evening and you know,

20:42 well, this this should happen, but they don't at that time.

20:45 I can't say how it's done now.

20:49 Yeah.

20:48 Um, but I had no idea I was going to get wine in my face.

20:51 I had I would have handled it much I would have handled

20:54 everything much better if these things hadn't happened the way they did.

20:58 Um, yeah, it's pretty crazy.

20:59 You really don't know what you're in for.

21:00 I didn't.

21:01 Do you think that those shows get more respect than soaps these days?

21:05 More respect.

21:06 I don't know if they get more respect.

21:07 Um, it's just a whole different thing.

21:11 People always ask me what's easier.

21:12 I'm like, "Scripted, of course." I mean, yeah.

21:15 Yeah.

21:15 Right.

21:15 Oh, yeah.

21:16 I can't even imagine.

21:17 But they're similar in so far as I think

21:19 people are tuning in to see the aspirational um

21:24 clothing and jewelry and all that just the sort

21:26 of these sort of luxurious lives that the

21:28 Right.

21:29 Well, I think there was there was a part where Lisa Vanderpump

21:31 actually I said I'd got had she asked me what I was driving.

21:33 I said a Ford Flex.

21:35 She had no idea what that was.

21:36 I drove that same car here, by the way.

21:39 I'm holding on to it just for, you know, because um but yeah, I know.

21:44 It's like 25 years old.

21:45 I don't know.

21:45 Whatever.

21:46 Um so,

21:47 and she didn't know what it was.

21:48 No idea what it was.

21:49 No.

21:50 Which is funny.

21:50 Like, is that new?

21:51 Is that a sports car?

21:53 Well, it's also funny.

21:54 It should be called like The Real Housewives of Greater

21:56 Los Angeles because Garcel lives in Porter Ranch, right?

21:59 You know, it's not exactly Beverly Hills, but it's again,

22:01 it's an aspirational thing in the same way that soaps are, right?

22:05 Yeah.

22:05 If you want to sort of make the connection.

22:06 Do you think that's something you'd ever go back to?

22:10 I I listen I learned a long time ago not to say never,

22:13 but I I don't I don't see it.

22:16 They asked me to come back for a few

22:19 last year, but I just the money and the whole thing wasn't worth the emotional

22:25 thing for me.

22:26 I I'm not cut out for it necessarily.

22:28 The one thing I learned I learned so many things.

22:30 I learned so many things about myself and so many things about human nature.

22:34 what people will do to be famous.

22:38 Yeah.

22:38 And I've been I've been doing this since I was 20, you know, but wow.

22:41 It's shocking.

22:42 It's really shocking to me.

22:44 It really matters a lot.

22:46 Matters a lot because you can have so much money.

22:48 Like I was always asking like the producer.

22:50 I'm like, would they really do something like

22:52 that just because they want to be relevant?

22:54 He's like, I mean, I couldn't fathom that that I can't go into details, but

22:59 yeah.

22:59 No, I

23:00 I would be the same way.

23:01 I find that I find that pretty fascinating and depressing.

23:05 Yeah, it was interesting.

23:06 You would be good on that show too though in the same way that you were

23:09 as the voice of reason and someone who's

23:10 not desperate for that viral moment, you know,

23:13 cuz you were part of a viral moment,

23:14 but you weren't the one who was creating the

23:17 course of course.

23:18 But again, if it's worked for you and it works

23:21 for a lot of them and they've made amazing lives out of it,

23:24 so how can you judge it?

23:26 It's just you it's got to be a very personal

23:27 thing because I wouldn't tell anybody not to do it.

23:29 Other people I know have been asked to do it.

23:31 I said I would never tell you not to do it ever.

23:34 Yeah, they

23:35 But you're gonna have to figure it out as you go.

23:36 Yeah, they asked a couple of uh actors at Days and um

23:40 one in particular was asking me about it and I was like,

23:44 I think you should do it.

23:45 I think that um she had concerns about professionally about her acting career

23:50 and I was like look at Garcel's never been busier.

23:53 It will not hurt you

23:54 in that capacity.

23:55 I don't think Yeah.

23:56 What about personally?

23:56 Like how how did your husband feel about it?

24:00 He was so funny about it.

24:01 You know, he supported me and whatever, but he

24:05 even my brother-in-law goes, "What's the big deal?" I'm like, "Oh my god,

24:09 you don't what?

24:10 What's you know, what's the problem?" I'm like, "Oh my god,

24:13 you don't have these people there throwing things at you." Um,

24:17 but you they don't He didn't really, you know,

24:19 he was fine with whatever I wanted to do.

24:20 He was hilarious.

24:21 He was out looking at the drama.

24:23 Did anybody see that picture of him?

24:25 He went out to the garage to get a beer.

24:27 Oh, yeah.

24:27 Yeah, I remember that.

24:28 And he's fighting.

24:29 You can see him in the window.

24:31 Brandy and Kyle are fighting in my driveway.

24:33 And there's my husband.

24:34 His nose is smashed against the glass.

24:37 And I'm I see them.

24:39 Michael,

24:39 I see what they're filming.

24:40 I run through the house and I go, "Hey, you're on TV right now.

24:45 You're being filmed with your nose smashed against

24:47 the glass." And did he just go okay stories back?

24:52 Oh my god, that is so funny.

24:54 But and but you said your kids your kids were

24:56 sort of uh did they were they fine with it?

24:59 The older ones were fine, but they were basically going to college at that time.

25:03 Jesse was fine in the beginning, but he hit puberty towards the end.

25:08 And he would get asked, "Oh,

25:09 you're that kid from Housewives when he was in school." He go,

25:12 "No, I'm not." He would walk away.

25:14 No,

25:14 wrong person.

25:16 Wow.

25:16 That's the way to handle it.

25:18 Deny, deny, deny.

25:20 Wow.

25:20 No, he didn't like it.

25:21 So, and I had already always promised all of them

25:24 if anybody had a problem with it, I was gone.

25:26 Yeah.

25:26 And he did.

25:27 And it it became more and more apparent.

25:31 So, well, yeah.

25:31 Your priority,

25:31 they were nice about it, though.

25:32 They would say, "We won't use him.

25:33 We won't do that." Great.

25:35 Um, I asked you uh over text if you would do The Traders, and you said, "No."

25:40 No, I said, "I've never watched it."

25:42 Oh.

25:42 Oh, you would love it.

25:44 And you'd be amazing.

25:45 I know.

25:45 Lisa just did it.

25:46 She did great on it.

25:47 And it's also She did great.

25:48 And it's also it's a short commitment

25:50 to your point about not wanting to do something

25:52 probably be interested in something like that.

25:53 Sure.

25:53 Yeah.

25:53 You heard it here folks.

25:54 It's um they fly you to they fly you to Scotland for a couple weeks.

25:59 You get to hang out with Alen coming.

26:00 How do you know all this?

26:01 Cuz I I watch the show.

26:03 I have been trying to get myself on that show and if

26:05 you get on and I don't I'll be happy for you.

26:08 Wait, you get to go to Scotland?

26:10 Do I believe him?

26:10 Wait, you get to go to Scotland for

26:12 You go to Scotland.

26:12 You go to this castle in Scotland for 3 weeks and it's basically like

26:15 this uh it's a game of mafia basically where there's 20 plus people around

26:20 a table and they uh everyone's blindfolded and they pick three people to be

26:24 the traitors and everyone else is a faithful

26:26 and no one knows who the traitors are.

26:29 It's really fun and then you have to you know there's always a couple

26:33 of housewives and so there's always a an allegiance

26:36 amongst the housewives and the survivor folks.

26:37 It's a lot of reality.

26:40 Interesting.

26:39 It's really really fun.

26:40 Huh.

26:41 Yeah.

26:41 Okay.

26:42 Check it out.

26:43 Okay.

26:43 Okay.

26:43 I I went to Scotland a couple years ago with my uh bunch of my family members,

26:47 some nieces and stuff because we're from Scotland.

26:50 Oh.

26:50 And I mean, you know, a long time ago.

26:51 And we stayed at the Davidson Castle.

26:54 Wow.

26:54 There was a Davidson Castle.

26:56 Really?

26:56 Lineage wise?

26:57 Yeah.

26:57 Your family?

26:58 Yeah.

26:58 Well, Davidson.

26:59 Yeah.

26:59 Wow.

27:00 That's It was awesome.

27:01 We did a road trip, you know.

27:03 That sounds amazing.

27:04 To Loch Ness.

27:05 Shut up.

27:05 How cool.

27:06 I know.

27:06 Love.

27:14 Let's talk about your characters.

27:15 Well, let's talk about your YNR character.

27:18 Didn't you that uh Ashley Abbott, right?

27:22 Didn't she have dissociative identity disorder

27:25 briefly?

27:25 Yes.

27:26 Yeah.

27:26 And so, but you've got you've got

27:27 play two characters with mental health issues, right?

27:31 On days, didn't you have multiple No, wait.

27:33 No, you just play multiple characters.

27:34 Play multiple characters on days.

27:36 That's

27:37 We'll get to Thomas in a minute.

27:38 But I love how I read something you where you said that with Susan,

27:41 the teeth help you helped you find that character.

27:44 Yeah.

27:44 And for the nun, the ruler did.

27:46 Oh, yeah.

27:46 Because I was raised Catholic, but I was never hit by a ruler,

27:48 but my brothers and sisters were.

27:50 Um Well, talk because you were too good.

27:56 My brothers and sisters, I mean,

27:58 they are their dirty laundry, just not my own.

28:00 Um

28:01 well, back in the day,

28:02 they were older than me and they got hit by rulers

28:04 and as soon as they said I was playing a nun, I said, "Give me a ruler.

28:08 Oh my god.

28:09 And I found her.

28:10 She was very punitive.

28:11 Well, but but but talk about I'm sweating.

28:14 I'm sweating and I need a snack.

28:16 I'm sweating, too.

28:17 Don't smell my arm.

28:18 But talk about I was going to ask if I could.

28:20 I know.

28:20 I'm sure you're

28:22 This is getting weirder.

28:24 Okay.

28:25 Okay.

28:26 Um but talk about so much fun.

28:30 I want to hang out.

28:31 Can I come to Melville?

28:32 Talk more about to play peace.

28:36 I'm trying to I'm trying to get her to I want

28:38 to play I want to play over the house to play pickle ball.

28:40 Yeah, I know.

28:41 I got hit in the boob the other day.

28:42 So bad.

28:43 I have so many bruises.

28:44 It's like

28:45 I signed up for that tournament in Calabasas.

28:47 You did?

28:47 Yeah.

28:47 May second.

28:48 Shut up.

28:49 Uhhuh.

28:49 What tournament?

28:50 None of your business.

28:51 Um

28:54 it's pickled back.

28:56 Getting the train back for the Emmy won.

28:58 What?

28:58 For the Emmy one you did.

29:00 Is it an Emmy tournament?

29:01 No.

29:01 Oh, there's an Emmy tournament.

29:02 Okay, we'll talk about that.

29:03 Okay.

29:04 tell our audience um how when you talk about finding a character,

29:09 whether it's the ruler or the teeth,

29:10 like talk about talk about your process a little

29:13 bit and what that means of like how

29:15 sometimes there's something that can help ground the reality

29:18 of of a of a hyper realistic situation.

29:23 Go go.

29:27 Like I said, the ruler helped

29:28 the teeth because automatically I felt the craziness.

29:31 Maybe you could relate to this.

29:32 My family was pretty out there.

29:35 There was so many of us.

29:36 And there was a lot of comedy when I grew up.

29:38 A lot of comedy.

29:39 My sisters and brothers were hilarious.

29:42 I mean, hilar they put on shows and costumes and there

29:46 was a lot of lot of go a lot going on.

29:48 My mom and dad had great sense of sense of humor and so yeah,

29:51 it was pretty funny.

29:52 It was a show.

29:53 Yeah.

29:53 And it was high emotional either laughing or screaming

29:56 like my brother my sister would lock herself

29:58 in the bathroom because he was going to threaten

30:00 to put her in the pool before a date.

30:02 and he would get the screwdriver and slowly like the screws and he'd pull.

30:06 So there's a lot of drama.

30:07 So I I kind of cut my teeth on it.

30:09 So I really just like h speaking of teeth.

30:11 So that's like so when you had the the teeth

30:14 they just I just knew who she was immediately.

30:16 Plus at the time she was supposed to be overweight.

30:18 So they had like a suit that I was wearing as well.

30:20 I just kind of found this they wanted her from the south.

30:22 So she just kind of fell into place.

30:25 Yeah.

30:24 And then the nun.

30:26 And then the the guy Thomas I wanted a comb over.

30:29 I figure I could find him with a comb over it.

30:31 I dude now.

30:33 Uh

30:34 oh my god.

30:35 Also, just I mean you're but you're you're

30:38 the cuz I don't want to gloss over because we're having

30:41 a good time and that's great but but you're so good

30:45 and it's like those little things just create these completely distinct

30:49 and memorable and like fascinating characters and like how much fun.

30:54 Yeah.

30:54 Well, I always felt like I was a character actor

30:57 really trapped in a leading trapped in a leading lady,

31:01 but it was like I I much prefer that.

31:04 But it's also caused me to make some crazy decisions.

31:06 I mean, Thomas, the recent Thomas on the uh Was that your choice?

31:11 Was that what was that my choice?

31:13 No, I was forced into it.

31:16 No, I mean it wasn't it wasn't just the comover.

31:19 It wasn't just the comover, right?

31:20 This is on Days of Our Lives, everyone.

31:22 And let's remind because cuz you've gone from

31:24 and that's when it went on to peacock and they really went out there.

31:27 Big old swing.

31:28 Oh yeah.

31:29 But I I said I wanted the the hair on the chest.

31:32 So what does that say about me?

31:33 I mean I can't blame them.

31:36 I'd love to, but I can't.

31:38 But also to have a real moment.

31:39 And I feel like maybe I've said this on this podcast, but I don't know if

31:42 I don't think Should we start over?

31:44 Come back.

31:45 No.

31:45 No.

31:46 We're doing great.

31:48 I don't know.

31:49 Do you need a tissue?

31:50 I don't know anymore.

31:51 She's She's taking the pillow.

31:53 Come here.

31:54 Are you Are you Are you Are you um spitzing?

31:58 Probably.

31:58 Well, don't don't I'll put those in my shirt.

32:00 Um

32:02 No, I was going to say to have a real moment.

32:04 Um when

32:06 when a grounded moment a grounded moment when cuz we are a little off the rails.

32:10 Um when when we were both working on uh on the the Beyond Salem spin-off.

32:16 Yeah.

32:16 Do you remember a conversation that we had where you reminded

32:20 me that on my last day at Young in the Restless?

32:23 She Eileen said to me,

32:24 "This is going to be the best thing that's ever happened to you." And

32:27 I said, "Every time I've gotten fired,

32:28 it's been the very best thing that's ever happened to me."

32:29 And I don't think I remembered that until the follow-up

32:31 conversation because I was not in a place where I was.

32:33 You look like a deer with the headlights.

32:35 Yeah.

32:35 It was hard

32:36 when I told you that.

32:36 Of course, it was your last day.

32:37 And I'm like, "Really?

32:38 It's fine.

32:39 You're going to be fine." I was like, "Screw you." Yeah.

32:41 Um, but you were absolutely right.

32:44 Absolutely right.

32:44 And um you mentioned that moment several times.

32:48 It's really impactful.

32:49 So it was freeing, wasn't it?

32:54 Yes.

32:54 It took a minute to get there, but absolutely.

32:56 Well, there's no guarantees about it, but that's part of the whole experience.

32:59 Yeah.

32:59 And I have since used that conversation with other actors

33:03 who have found themselves in the situation I was in.

33:05 Now, I guess the question I wanted to know though was,

33:08 did you learn that lesson that you were

33:10 able to impart on me from your own experience?

33:13 Sure.

33:13 And 2006 I was let go.

33:17 Excuse me.

33:18 From Wer.

33:19 I remember.

33:19 And I had a three-year-old and a a 11year-old and a 13-year-old.

33:24 And it was just very I mean, somebody called me from upstairs and said,

33:28 "Ashley's going to Hong Kong." And I'm like, "What?" I had no idea.

33:33 And um yeah, that was crazy.

33:35 And then Brad Bell called me a couple months later and said,

33:37 "Do you want to come over to Bold and Beautiful?" And I was like,

33:41 "Sure." So then I went over there and that show was so terrific.

33:46 By the way, it's a dream to work on.

33:48 It's a beautifully produced show.

33:50 Everybody's so wonderful.

33:51 I I told, you know, Kelly, Kelly Lang,

33:53 I said, "This is like the best kept secret.

33:55 It's amazing.

33:56 I had the best time over there.

33:57 I worked with Ron Moss.

33:58 I worked with Kelly who was lovely.

34:00 She's she's a lovely um she's a lovely person to represent her show.

34:04 She's amazing." By the way, I don't know if everybody knows that about her.

34:08 She's she handles that mantle or whatever beautifully.

34:14 She's very welcoming.

34:15 She's very classy.

34:16 She invited all the actresses to do a a cooking thing at at the Four

34:20 Seasons in West Lake and we did a whole We made butternut squash soup.

34:25 Really?

34:25 Yes.

34:25 I'm sorry.

34:26 It didn't happen for you.

34:27 It hasn't happened for me yet.

34:28 No, but you know what?

34:29 Actually, I will say Brad Bell actually creates

34:33 um I mean Kelly is amazing and she also does represent the show very well.

34:38 I I agree with you.

34:40 Um she was very welcoming,

34:42 but I would just say Brad is you know it

34:45 starts from the top down and he really I remember

34:48 when I met with him he's like you know if

34:51 anyone's an here just tell me I don't want any here.

34:54 I was like, "That's so nice." You know, he just wants a nice group of people

34:58 and it is a really wonderful work environment.

35:03 So, I had a great time on that show, which I wasn't expecting.

35:05 I loved working with Ron, by the way.

35:07 And uh we had the characters had great chemistry and that was fun.

35:12 And then I'm back on the show and then I I This is a really weird story.

35:15 Should I tell it quickly?

35:16 Sure.

35:18 Yeah.

35:17 Okay.

35:17 So then I'm back on the show and then I was I've own and I've been

35:22 there for a while and they say so do you uh I get a call from Dave.

35:25 Do you want to come over and I'm like sure just I'd love

35:26 to come for a little bit just so it doesn't affect my day job.

35:28 They're like I'm thinking great you do both maybe.

35:31 Then I get a call up to the office two months later and they're

35:34 like we're letting you go from YNR but they want you at days.

35:38 I'm like I feel like a a baseball player.

35:39 I got no say in it.

35:42 Took a pay cut.

35:44 I was so angry.

35:45 This is this is the seed of the story

35:46 about you by the way does come back to you.

35:49 So I was so pissed off because I got no say.

35:51 I'm like I have to take it because I

35:55 I have a lifestyle that I'm contributing to children.

35:59 Um so I took it.

36:00 I was so angry and I would going to days of our lives with so much bitterness.

36:04 I had no idea what I was going into.

36:05 I didn't know who I was going to be working with.

36:07 I was kind of just given a take it or leave it.

36:10 And I then I watched Oprah.

36:12 I know, Oprah.

36:14 Gotta love her.

36:15 And she said, "When you're in life, if something happens,

36:17 just have no expectations." She had a guest on.

36:19 I think it was Super Soul Sunday.

36:20 Have no expectations and then you'll be surprised and it it'll be a blessing.

36:25 And I went, I can't go into this new job being so full of bitterness and hate.

36:30 Yeah.

36:30 So, I decided to go in completely free of it, any bitterness,

36:33 and just welcome the experience, see what was going to happen.

36:37 And it was honestly one of the best years of my life creatively.

36:42 I won my first Emmy that year.

36:43 Your first Emmy?

36:46 Yeah.

36:45 Uh, I worked with Eric Mart, who was a dream.

36:48 We had, by the way, I'm in the makeup chair going,

36:50 "Why am I working with this guy?" He's like younger than me.

36:52 I don't get the story.

36:53 I didn't know what I was walking into.

36:54 It was a great story.

36:55 Chris Whitel wrote it.

36:56 He was brilliant.

36:57 He wrote the whole thing with Kristen.

36:59 Seduces Brady, who's the son of John, who's her ex-lover.

37:03 She ends up seducing him, convincing everybody she's the good girl.

37:07 and then stabs John in the back.

37:09 It was brilliant.

37:10 Really uses the son to destroy the father.

37:13 It was Greek.

37:14 It was fabulous.

37:15 And I had so much fun.

37:18 Yeah.

37:17 And it freed me up just with everything.

37:20 And uh it was just a great great great experience.

37:23 Yeah.

37:23 That's great.

37:23 Yeah.

37:23 It opened up my life in many ways, my career.

37:26 Yeah.

37:26 No, that's a that's a great story and a great lesson in not being stuck,

37:31 right?

37:31 because uh I I think the the part of that that I was able to relate to is when

37:37 I first got there I think um having the expectation

37:41 and we've talked about this too that it was going

37:43 to be like the last place I was at and once

37:45 I sort of really disavowed any idea of it

37:48 being anything then other than just a new experience

37:50 then I really was able to fully commit to it.

37:53 Yeah.

37:53 But it is hard when and with these jobs it's hard when you're let go too you you

37:56 carry that sort of like why was I let go?

37:58 What what's what was wrong with me there?

38:02 Exactly.

38:02 Um but

38:03 you have to start fresh somewhere else.

38:05 But there's a the also we've talked about too the the place where you're

38:09 at in your life when the big milestones

38:12 hit and then saying goodbye to that is always

38:15 challenging.

38:15 But then you know what I always

38:16 reminded myself through all of these different journeys.

38:18 I never signed a contract that said you get

38:20 to play that character for the rest of your life, right?

38:22 And you choose when you leave.

38:24 That was never part of the deal.

38:25 Yeah.

38:25 So it's all just a blessing.

38:26 and in, you know, a more spiritual way.

38:28 That's true about everything in life.

38:29 Everything in life and about just enjoying where you

38:32 are presently and trying to make the most of it.

38:34 I have a son who's a soccer player and his team is going

38:37 through some changes now and and he's having a hard time and I'm like,

38:42 you always learn more about yourself

38:45 and you grow more when when you're challenged.

38:47 This is all like, you know, it's hard to see the forest through the trees, but

38:51 Yeah.

38:52 Yeah.

38:51 You've played Ashley Abbott probably the longest, right?

38:55 Yeah.

38:55 Yeah.

38:55 On The Young and the Restless,

38:57 what have you learned about yourself through

38:59 that character or what have you ever

39:02 learned anything through any stories or anything that you've told on that show?

39:08 Any of the stories?

39:09 Yeah.

39:10 I mean, I've told this before, but it's really it's a big one.

39:13 It's important.

39:14 Ashley um years ago had um a breast

39:17 cancer screening because it was breast cancer awareness month.

39:20 God bless the writers on the show.

39:21 They did a lot of topical stuff.

39:23 I'm not sure if they still do, but they did at that time.

39:24 And in the 80s they did AIDS and stuff of course.

39:27 So and my character had an abortion in the 80s.

39:31 Wow.

39:30 Um so they took on stuff and so Ashley

39:32 has she finds it and she has breast cancer.

39:35 So I'm doing the story line and she loses her hair and blah blah blah.

39:39 I started getting fan mail from women

39:40 saying that that story line saved their lives

39:43 because they went and had a screening and they found

39:45 a lump and a tumor and it their lives are here.

39:49 They're still living because of it.

39:51 And then you know the show is delayed like three years in Europe.

39:53 So I started getting letters 3 years later from these European women same thing.

39:58 So you realize that what you're doing I mean it's

40:00 entertainment and it's fun and everything and it's crazy and it's

40:02 a hoop but you really are helping people on a different

40:04 level that you can't even really begin to understand.

40:07 You know maybe it's not for us to understand

40:10 all the different ways we help.

40:11 But we help in many many ways by entertaining

40:14 getting people through difficult times kids through

40:16 difficult times in their homes their home life.

40:19 other I've heard from other people that said they were

40:21 in in abusive households and it was their one sanctuary,

40:25 you know, to watch us and to be entertained by us.

40:27 They felt safe.

40:29 We were predictable, you know.

40:31 So, there's a lot that you get out of it that you don't

40:34 even know and a lot that you're giving that you would never know

40:36 and in such a way, right, where it's um they're

40:40 they're generational, right?

40:41 And it's like you don't even just have the opportunity to have

40:43 that kind of influence over somebody over the course of a story line,

40:46 but it's a career, you know, that you've been playing this role for so long.

40:49 And I think it's more impactful because it

40:51 is someone that they feel like they know.

40:52 And if if Ashley

40:54 is telling me that I should go and get

40:56 a screening or that this is the right thing to do, then I will listen to her.

41:00 Yeah.

41:00 I think that's a difference with stories

41:01 on soaps because they do feel like they know

41:04 you more intimately than they do like if

41:06 you watch a series and it's only 13 episodes,

41:09 you don't feel as connected to those characters.

41:11 For sure as you do like in daytime when you get to see them every day.

41:14 Yeah.

41:14 Also, to your point, I also find that like when I'm sick,

41:17 I always look if I'm just in bed and I'm

41:19 like and I want to watch some comfort food,

41:22 I always go back to something I watch like Cheers.

41:24 I love watching Cheers when I'm sick because it's

41:26 familiar in a way that when I was a kid,

41:28 it was safe and security.

41:30 Okay, we have a hotline, a soapy hotline.

41:33 Okay.

41:33 Okay.

41:33 And fans uh write in on our Instagram

41:35 page and they have lots of questions for you.

41:37 I would like to say everybody's done a really good

41:39 job getting out of that that humor fest that we're in

41:42 and talking about like spirituality and fans and

41:46 yeah, we you know we like I said it's going to be a little bit like ADHD.

41:49 All three of us.

41:50 I know.

41:51 Also, it feels like um like a day on set, right?

41:52 Where we kind of spun off into space a bit and then we

41:55 have fun and have a good laugh.

41:56 Makes you feel good.

41:57 Yes.

41:58 Um, I have one from the fans.

42:00 Go ahead.

42:01 Okay.

42:01 Can you talk about your time on Santa Barbara?

42:03 Any fun stories or memories from set?

42:05 What was it like playing Kelly Capwell?

42:07 Oh, yeah.

42:07 That's a good one.

42:08 Lots of good lessons there.

42:10 Um, actually just driving in here, I was going, "Oh my god,

42:12 I used to shoot right tape right across

42:14 the street." And I was just thinking about,

42:15 oh my god, when I was taping Santa Barbara,

42:17 what was I what was going on in my life?

42:19 And so weird.

42:19 So yeah, um Kelly Cabwell had been played by Robin

42:23 Wright and um somebody else and I was taking over, which is so hard to do.

42:29 Tell me about it, girl.

42:31 God, the hate is real.

42:33 I mean, you know, so I had been uh

42:36 I had helped create but basically written an iconic role.

42:40 Bill Bell had created Ashley.

42:42 She was a tremendous role on YNR and everybody loved her.

42:45 I left somebody took over the role.

42:47 So but I was in the catbird seat.

42:49 I made that role.

42:50 I'm going.

42:50 Then I went over here.

42:51 Oops.

42:52 I went over here and I was taking over somebody else's spot

42:55 and it was difficult because you're trying to make it your own.

42:58 You you can't be like them, so you have to make it your own.

43:01 And there was a lot of resistance to that, you know.

43:03 Was there was there a gap in between when she was playing much?

43:06 Well, Robin, yes, but there had been somebody in between.

43:09 Um, but yeah, it was just it was I don't you know, it's not pleasant to do that.

43:14 So, I have a lot of respect for people that go

43:16 in and take over somebody else's role that's been established for a while,

43:20 right?

43:20 So, Oh, yeah.

43:20 It's hard.

43:23 Yeah, it's hard.

43:23 I mean, I I I'm very happy to have the privilege, but Yeah,

43:27 it is definitely different.

43:29 It's a whole different part of the experience of acting on a show.

43:31 It's It's a real different experience.

43:32 Was Santa Barbara at Burbank Studios?

43:34 Yeah, it was right across the street.

43:36 Crazy.

43:36 NBC though.

43:36 It was NBC.

43:37 Oh, I see.

43:37 Um, okay.

43:38 Another fan question is I also got to work with great people there.

43:41 Kim Zimmer was on the show.

43:42 Really?

43:42 A Martinez was on the show.

43:44 Nancy GR was on the show.

43:47 So many talented people.

43:48 Wasn't Justin D's on that show, too?

43:50 Yeah.

43:50 I wasn't on when he was on, but there was He was on that show.

43:53 Yeah.

43:54 So many Yeah.

43:55 really good actors.

43:56 Um you're known for playing intelligent, powerful, smart women.

44:00 Sometimes villainous women.

44:02 Um what is it about Ashley that resonates most with you?

44:08 She's a business woman, but she's fragile.

44:10 She has succumbed to gaslighting.

44:13 Oh, several times.

44:14 Um, so what is it about Ashley?

44:18 I think the fact that she appears that she has

44:21 it all together and she's incredibly vulnerable and very fallible.

44:24 That's what I've always found most interesting about that character

44:27 is that um, again, she was always her father's favorite or whatever.

44:32 But uh, she has a lot of problems obviously

44:36 and so many that still haven't been even touched on.

44:39 I mean, the the the multiple personality thing

44:42 was a small part of that, but I mean,

44:45 something happened way back when, so I find her fascinating still.

44:48 Yeah.

44:48 Because there's still so much to be told, you know.

44:52 Yeah, she's great.

44:54 Okay.

44:55 One more.

44:55 You have one more.

44:56 Okay.

44:57 Um, tell us about the soap opera mystery series you write.

45:00 Oh, yeah.

45:00 Oh, that was a while ago.

45:02 I wrote there's four of them,

45:03 so they're kind of all done, but there was with Penguin books.

45:05 I had a three.

45:06 Yeah.

45:06 I had a book deal with them.

45:07 So the but the um the scripts that you

45:09 write with your niece are not related to those.

45:11 Well, the first I can see why there's a confusion.

45:13 The first I kind of molded two of them together and wrote

45:16 a script called Dial Emmy for Dial M for Murder, right?

45:19 But it's based on two of the books.

45:22 Cool.

45:21 That's one that almost got made that didn't.

45:23 But we're Are you working on something right now?

45:24 Are you writing something?

45:26 Yeah.

45:26 Yeah.

45:26 I've kind of shifted over to horror and I have

45:28 something that's now got a director attached and we try.

45:31 Yeah.

45:32 We have some financing and we're for you to act in as well.

45:35 Yes.

45:35 This one.

45:36 Yes.

45:36 Another one that I'm writing.

45:38 No.

45:38 But is there are there two parts in the book?

45:41 Hey, listen.

45:43 Always.

45:44 Okay.

45:44 Um, can I play a sister?

45:46 Be careful.

45:46 Be careful what you wish for.

45:49 Well, we'll talk about it.

45:50 Hey, remember that conversation we had?

45:52 I just remember you saying that you were going to buy pickle ball.

45:55 Okay.

45:55 Um I I like doing things like that cuz you know you

45:58 get if you if it's a fun part, it's worth it.

46:02 Sure.

46:01 Yeah.

46:01 And just hanging out with friends, right?

46:03 Yeah.

46:03 Put a show on the garage.

46:04 That's what I call.

46:05 A what?

46:05 You're putting a show on the garage.

46:06 Yeah.

46:07 Yeah.

46:07 Yeah.

46:07 Um Okay.

46:08 I want to play pickle ball with you.

46:10 Hey, I want to go on the trailers with you.

46:11 I need a fourth on Sunday.

46:13 Weekends don't uh I have soccer with my son, but weeks, you know.

46:18 No, you're scared.

46:19 I'm scared.

46:20 I'm scared.

46:20 I'm a little scared.

46:21 Um Okay.

46:23 I We're We're going to make that happen.

46:24 We are going to play pickle ball.

46:26 Um and uh Do you play Rebecca?

46:28 I play tennis.

46:30 Yeah.

46:30 Oh, look at the way she said that.

46:32 Snoody.

46:32 Yeah, my husband used to be that way and I've seen him.

46:35 You know what?

46:35 I would actually like to play pickle ball, but I don't know how.

46:39 I don't know.

46:39 I don't You'll love it.

46:42 Really?

46:41 My husband was like a pro.

46:43 He was professional.

46:44 He was number 25 in the world.

46:45 He beat tennis.

46:46 He beat Mackenroe.

46:48 Yeah.

46:49 What?

46:48 Yeah.

46:48 He was on the tour for many, many years.

46:51 And now he's on the the pickle ball tour.

46:53 I mean, he's like, listen, he made fun of it.

46:55 He hated pickle ball so much.

46:57 He hated it.

46:58 He thought it was stupidest game ever.

46:59 Now you cut to him now.

47:00 He's like, Mhm.

47:02 We have a pickle ball court in our backyard.

47:03 Oh, he's a maniac.

47:04 Well, I want a lesson then.

47:06 Defin you'll follow.

47:07 I'll listen with the provider on a different day.

47:10 Well, I'm not that I didn't say I was good at tennis.

47:12 I just said I could play tennis.

47:15 Okay, we're going to play pickle ball.

47:17 Um, and you can watch any episode of Soapie

47:21 that you may have missed on the CBS YouTube channel.

47:23 You can watch our wonderful guest on The Young

47:26 and the Restless on CBS and on Paramount Plus.

47:29 And um, anything else?

47:30 Yeah, I thank you for coming.

47:33 Thank you for having me.

47:34 It was really fun.

47:34 It was so much fun.

47:35 It was a lot of fun.

47:36 And we're going to also I'm sweating.

47:37 I'm still hungry though.

47:38 We're going to figure out how to get onto the traders together.

47:39 And we will see you guys uh next week.

47:42 Thanks so much for being with us today.

47:43 Thank you.

47:43 Bye.

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