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0:00 I'm Gabby's Jules.

0:01 Gray skies over West London.

0:04 Uh Jules, not gray skies over North London.

0:08 Arsenal are Champions League finalist as are Paris Sanure Man.

0:11 We'll be talking about them a little bit later.

0:15 Some of us have predicted this.

0:16 What can I say?

0:17 Um and then of course there's plenty more to get into because

0:20 we also have a major twist in the title race as well.

0:23 Manchester City dropping points at Everton, nearly losing uh at Everton.

0:28 um Chelsea losing as well, but I guess that's not really news,

0:31 but we'll get to all that later.

0:32 But um let's start in [clears throat] North London because okay,

0:38 I I'm going to go right out and say this, right?

0:40 All the people that were like, "Oh, look, it's Haram ball, blah, blah, blah.

0:43 Arsenal against Madrid.

0:45 I enjoy the two ties.

0:46 Were they as much fun as the other one?" No, they were not.

0:50 And I think and we may disagree on this but I think there

0:55 there there's certain fundamental things in football

0:58 where you put faith in players.

0:59 The relationship between the coach and the players is so important.

1:02 And I think it takes a lot of stones, a lot of intestinal fortitude,

1:07 a lot of courage to go and make a major change in personnel by the way Arta did.

1:15 Not so much Caliori left back because you you could kind of see

1:17 the logic although I thought that was a little surprising too, right?

1:20 But people like to stereotype Arteta is like,

1:22 oh, defensive, intensity, set piece, this and that.

1:25 You know, might have thought he's going to stick with Hin

1:27 Capia since Hinapia also was rested at the weekend, right?

1:31 Um but in midfield, Miles Lewis Kelly,

1:34 Miles Lewis Kelly uh had started three league games for Arsenal this year.

1:39 Um one of them at the weekend was in midfield.

1:43 Obviously played midfield before the youth team, but

1:46 his first team minutes had all come really at left back and mostly last season.

1:53 Yeah.

1:53 And you go and you drop Zubie Mendy for this game.

1:56 Um, Zubie Mendy, who incidentally skipped the game at the weekend,

2:02 I I I I thought it was a huge call to make.

2:04 I think it was an expected call.

2:08 Yeah.

2:07 And I I like it when people are courageous and go out on a limb like this.

2:12 Yeah.

2:12 Yeah.

2:12 I mean, with Aleta, we've seen it in the past where a a team,

2:16 one of these teams does really well and then he keep it for the next game,

2:20 especially when it's a big game.

2:21 So there was always a possibility that he would he would just play

2:24 the same team that he did against Fulham that played so well against Fulham.

2:27 Uh but Luis Kelly was a surprise against Fulham

2:30 instead of surprise I guess for this game against Atléico.

2:34 Although with the tactical shift that we mentioned already

2:36 in in previous shows um that's a perfect position for him.

2:41 Rice drops between the two center backs and you need that guy in that midfield

2:45 that going to link your back three

2:46 and your front six really like a Pascal Gross.

2:49 We mentioned that already like a Bernardo Silva and that's

2:52 Luis Kelly much better than Zub Zubie Mendi for that.

2:55 There's still a lot of things that Zubie Mendi can do can

2:57 do and things that Luis Kelly cannot do that Zubie Mendi can

3:01 do but for this game like for the Fulham game that you

3:03 know that was perfect and Luis Kelly I thought played really well.

3:08 Although there's still a lot of things that you can improve but it's normal.

3:10 He's still young and hasn't played much this season.

3:12 But it was uh that Arsenal team was perfect.

3:15 And to be fair, I was at both games this week,

3:17 Tuesday, Wednesday, and the best game was Tuesday, not Wednesday.

3:20 It was the best game this week was the Arsenal Atéico, not the Bayern PSG one.

3:24 So, I think people saying that it's just

3:27 stupid people who people who don't know football.

3:29 Yeah.

3:29 And I think um it wasn't the only change he made.

3:32 I mean, obviously, he also left out Udard

3:33 and there might have been some some physical issues there,

3:36 which which still you're still talking about

3:38 a guy who's been a really important player.

3:39 He did not leave out Saka thankfully.

3:41 Um on the athlete front there is a lot of recrimination um about

3:48 some of the officiating which I have to say I don't fully understand.

3:54 I mean could this game have gone the other way?

3:56 Yeah.

3:57 Uh

3:58 you heap a lot of praise on William Cibba and he's been fantastic.

4:01 He made a major major boooo.

4:03 You never I mean it's football 101.

4:06 I you're taught never to do that, right?

4:08 To head blind back to the keeper because you don't know where he is.

4:11 And Gabrielle, he gets even a little bit wrong or a different referee.

4:17 That's a penalty.

4:18 Yeah.

4:18 I think they got a bit lucky uh lucky there.

4:21 Uh that's the main officiating talking point, right?

4:24 Yeah.

4:24 Although I even perspective.

4:26 Yeah.

4:26 Yeah.

4:26 I even think the one Gabrielle on on Giovanni,

4:29 I don't think that's I think it's just Gabrielle did enough

4:31 just to be on the limit and you don't give it.

4:35 I mean, you look at the calf on Griezmann when he steps on his foot if

4:38 there's a foul before from Pubil on Gabriel

4:41 or Gabriel makes the most of it maybe.

4:43 But I think I think those calls I don't

4:46 I don't see I don't want to have any problem.

4:48 I guess if they've been the other way around,

4:49 it would have probably been the same.

4:51 So, it's one of those.

4:52 Yeah.

4:52 Um I think if we're going to talk

4:54 about calls and decisions made uh in this game, um there's many more.

4:59 Starting with Diego Simone's substitutions in the second half.

5:02 We're going to break that down further and we're also going to show some love.

5:04 was the last we've seen, we think, of Antoine Griezmann in the Champions League.

5:08 And I say we think because who knows?

5:10 Maybe he'll go to Orlando and say, "Hey, it's humid and the traffic sucks.

5:13 Let me come back."

5:14 Who knows, right?

5:15 Maybe he'll go back to Sedat to be with Matarat in a couple years.

5:18 But otherwise, what a career he's had.

5:20 All this coming up on the Gavin Jo podcast.

5:24 All right, Jose.

5:25 I I I think we have to pay a little bit of tribute to Antoine Griezmann.

5:29 Um, and like for me I got excited.

5:34 We do those those talking points and for a minute

5:38 there I forgot that for a minute I was going to praise him for saying you know

5:42 what not that Atletico are not a big club, right?

5:45 But I have a soft spot for people who say no thank you

5:50 to the ultra big mega clubs that because this is what football's become, right?

5:57 Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern, Paris, Sanain,

6:00 and then four or five clubs from England, right?

6:03 Six, if you will.

6:04 Sorry, Spurs.

6:05 Um, and I praised them.

6:08 I didn't for a minute.

6:09 I forgot that actually no,

6:10 you did go and chase that at Barcelona, but it didn't work out.

6:14 I almost feel like God punished you a little bit because

6:17 Atleti won the title when you weren't there.

6:18 So, I I will obviously associate him with that.

6:22 So, for me, Dr.

6:24 Laticier, Alan Shear, like to me there is something really special.

6:28 If you were to put the two Barcelona years aside,

6:31 you could make a point that he's been the best player

6:35 in the world never to play for a mega club over the past decade.

6:38 Yeah.

6:39 Again, there might be somebody I'm forgetting.

6:40 No, no.

6:43 Um, it it would have been a romantic story.

6:46 Obviously, Atletico Madrid never won the Champions League.

6:50 Arsenal never won the Champions League.

6:53 Um, it ends here.

6:56 Can you just put a bit in context because his backstory

6:59 for those who don't know and he's old is Yes.

7:02 He's trench but very young.

7:04 He went toad came through was he 16 when he went.

7:08 No.

7:08 Yeah.

7:08 Younger than that.

7:09 Even younger.

7:12 Yeah.

7:11 Um, it's like an Eden Hazard type story, right?

7:14 Uh, moving very very young to another youth academy.

7:17 Never really been part of the French system.

7:22 Yeah.

7:22 uh football development wise,

7:23 but obviously very French in the fact he's one important football in France

7:27 and and he kind of represents this I

7:31 don't know uh this kind of like different approach

7:34 not just to football development but also to the kind

7:37 of player he he's been on the pitch.

7:39 Yeah.

7:39 Very unusual player, very magical with the ball really and that's the thing.

7:43 Sees the game a bit differently and we

7:45 don't really make those kind of players anymore because

7:47 of the way the game has gone

7:48 and the way the evolution of football which is normal.

7:50 It's not a dig on, you know, academies and and development and things like that.

7:55 But yeah, very special player,

7:57 very different to Hazard who just had to do 20 kilometers

8:00 to go to the league academy when he was really young.

8:02 For Griezmann, nobody wanted him in France.

8:04 He had, I think, 20 or 25 trials for Frenchmies of top clubs.

8:09 Everybody said he was too small, he was too skinny,

8:11 he was never going to make it until the French cat from real Soad

8:16 spotted him in a tournament when Griezmann didn't even grow up nowhere near S.

8:20 Sebastiano or that side of the country anyway.

8:23 Found him, brought him over at 14 and then obviously made his debut.

8:28 Spanish football was always more suited to his game anyway.

8:31 But for me, Atletico's greatest ever player.

8:33 The irony, as you said, Gabby,

8:35 is that was not part of the two La Liga winning sides under Simeon,

8:39 which is a real shame.

8:41 So, he would have won the Europa League, which is which is good.

8:43 And 2018 was easier really.

8:45 Probably the year where he should have won the Balondor as he

8:47 won the World Cup as well and was incredible that that season.

8:51 But, uh, what's missing is yeah,

8:53 probably a Liga title, probably a Champions League somewhere.

8:56 obviously lost finals with Atleti and and this one

9:01 is stopped at 98 Champions League appearances.

9:04 44 goals in 98 Champions League appearances is pretty special

9:08 but I think what will stay is more the touch you know

9:11 more the flare player that he was an incredible player really

9:14 and at 35 is probably right for him to to go now.

9:18 Um but it's a shame because I think you know we would miss him.

9:22 Yeah, you mentioned the balandor there.

9:24 Um, I think a little bit in 2018, a little bit like Wesley Snyder in 2010,

9:30 he kind of fell into the he fell into the crack

9:34 of overlapping with those other two guys and the fact

9:38 that x amount of voters just kind of vote chalk

9:41 every year and we'll go Messi and Cristiano no matter what.

9:45 I mean, apart from the fact that Modric won it last season,

9:47 so I'm sorry if you give it to Modric and not to Griezmann.

9:50 I mean, Modric has won the Champions League

9:51 but lost in the final of the World Cup.

9:53 All right, sticking with Atletico Madrid.

9:56 Uh, you were there.

9:57 I'm watching this on television and I'm thinking, all right, you're a goal down.

10:04 Obviously, you're going to have to make changes.

10:07 I would have never expected triple change minute

10:10 57 and then two more change changes made 66.

10:13 I understand Alvarez I thought was having a really poor game.

10:17 Um, there were suggestions he wasn't fit.

10:19 Yeah.

10:19 So, yes, I know you were going to bring on Sorlot at some point.

10:24 Um, don't have an issue there.

10:27 You want to put Marcos on the wing, don't have an issue there.

10:31 But, and I think we have to look at all of them as a whole,

10:33 but to make so many to change five guys in one

10:36 go in that way to me made absolutely no sense.

10:39 It made it didn't seem like a chosion type thing.

10:43 No.

10:43 And also, you were out.

10:46 So if you if you still been in the game and he

10:48 was eding for extra time or you still had something to manage.

10:51 Okay, I I can maybe understand I don't know French legs or different profiles,

10:55 different um slightly different system maybe things like that but you're behind.

11:00 You need to you need to score and to come back in the game

11:03 and you didn't even look like that when you still had your your your strongest

11:06 front four with Lukeman and with Alvarez

11:09 and with Jovanni and Griezmann and then you

11:11 sub them off for four players who I'm sorry I like Bayerna he's really good.

11:15 with Graal.

11:16 Relax solos.

11:17 We said great great season a lot of off the bench, great season,

11:21 but I'm sorry, but the four players that you brought

11:23 on are not as good as the four you've taken off.

11:26 Even if they were not having a great game,

11:27 I would have kept Lukeman until the end because you just don't know.

11:30 He can on he can do something to white and create something.

11:34 I would have I would have kept Alvarez

11:35 even if he wasn't fit or at least Griezmann, one of the two for sure

11:39 because of that moment of quality they can provide.

11:41 Or a free kick even we saw Alvarez free kick against Barca.

11:43 you get a free kick on, [snorts] you know,

11:44 on the edge of the box, who you wanted to take, Griezmann or Alvarez.

11:47 Who do you want to get the ball to Soros, right?

11:49 Even if you want to bring Soros at that point saying like,

11:51 "All right, we'll get a knockdown or whatever." You want that sort of player,

11:55 Dag Ma is the one I really do not understand the purpose.

11:58 He doesn't f him.

11:58 He hasn't fenced him for weeks.

12:00 I know.

12:00 Well, so then all of a sudden, I'm going to go and give him this game.

12:02 And also with a view, even if like I said,

12:05 I I would have given it another 15 20 minutes for for many of these guys.

12:09 They had one or two substitutions perhaps.

12:11 Um the other thing is I have to say this about Lukewin, right?

12:14 Obviously he got slaughtered for missing it missing it

12:18 uh the goals that he missed the first time.

12:20 But Lukewin can be a really prolific goal scorer.

12:23 He has been.

12:24 But he played a different position at Atlanta.

12:27 So if you're in a situation where you want him to go and run up,

12:29 bomb up and down the wing and do both phases,

12:33 that's going to be a little different for him, right?

12:35 You're not going to get his attacking output.

12:36 You're not going to get his freshness.

12:38 But once you move Maros Urente to that right back position

12:41 and move Pubil inside all of a sudden just move Lukeman further forward.

12:47 That's another that's another option that you have

12:49 like in the first leg and those those chances he got in the first leg was after

12:52 they move to the 343 like Atlanta really where

12:56 where he's closer to the box and he's better.

12:59 Um I I think he's really going to kick himself.

13:03 Um I think I think he made a massive mistake there.

13:07 And I don't know if he saw, okay,

13:09 Arteta is going to do something to screw this up because and look and I'm

13:12 Diego Simeone and I'm the man in black

13:14 and I've got the experience and the knowhow,

13:17 but you know what, Arteta is on the bench.

13:19 I mean, Arteta can make a mistake with a substitution,

13:21 but you you still, as you said, you still have to go out.

13:24 You have to

13:25 you still have to go out and score.

13:27 um a lot was made um on on television and I'll come

13:32 right I don't understand this about some of the with Simeon it's always

13:37 a theme oh look at you know the antics pitch side going around

13:42 he had an altercation I think with Andrea at some point some people reported

13:45 and people also had to go to Arteta as well for his reactions

13:50 um you were there maybe you saw him more than I did I don't have an issue

13:55 no I mean it's the them all the time.

13:56 I can understand, you know,

13:58 that maybe some people don't really like that all that energy,

14:01 all that intensity, maybe a bit over the top.

14:04 Um, I mean, if you watch ESPNFC show, I, you know,

14:07 I apologize for some of the comments that was made on that show

14:10 because I think it was way over the line towards Arteta,

14:13 uh, what some of the guys said, which should have never been said.

14:18 But I like the passion from both of them, but also from other managers.

14:21 They're not the only ones.

14:21 You know, L Enrique is very animated.

14:23 yesterday he spend a lot of time outside of his technical area as well.

14:26 Vinnie was always outside of his technical area yesterday

14:29 at the game too on Wednesday at the game too.

14:32 So I think a lot of those show passion especially when you

14:34 in the semi-final you know this is

14:35 not like Champions League qualifiers in in July.

14:38 this is this is big big games and uh I've got no

14:42 issue with them showing that as long as it stays obviously within

14:44 I I think look I I think my general thing it's it's better you know I think

14:49 you if you can and it fits your personality

14:52 you should act like you've been there before right

14:55 but if it doesn't as long as it's genuine as long as as it's it's honest as long

15:02 as you're not being disrespectful or influencing the match

15:07 officials I have No problem with it whatsoever.

15:10 Be yourself.

15:10 I mean, we draw the line.

15:11 Remember Diego Simeon running onto the pitch

15:14 during the during the Champions League final.

15:17 I think that's where you draw the line.

15:18 But beyond that, and people saying, "Oh,

15:20 you're making it all about yourself." I'm like,

15:22 "No, it's not all about yourself." And certainly not in Arteta's case.

15:26 Sona, you can say because he's such a brand, he's been there 15 years,

15:29 but that's like accusing Sir Alex of making

15:31 it all about himself at at Manchester United, right, when he was there.

15:34 I mean, he built the freaking uh that freaking cycle of success at the club.

15:38 Of course, it's going to be about him, right?

15:40 Yeah.

15:40 Yeah.

15:41 Not in that situation.

15:42 So, um yeah, I thought that was that was a little uncalled for.

15:45 I thought

15:48 um Gawker got a ton of love.

15:51 Yeah.

15:51 In this game.

15:51 Good for him.

15:53 Okay.

15:54 So, help me out here.

15:56 As you know, Gawker Havz is going to be a talking point for the final.

15:58 We'll probably talk about this

16:01 um for me it depends how Arsenal necessarily want to play

16:04 and I think more than how Arsenal want to play

16:07 is how Arteta thinks Paris San will approach it right

16:11 um in this game you could look at this and he

16:15 got so much praise he also missed a goal that you

16:19 expect a striker with his price tag to put away

16:23 and if something happens at the other end we mentioned when

16:26 we talk about fine margins right the Gabrielle on on Juliano.

16:30 Um you know that that's a penalty then Joris is missed.

16:33 Then Joris becomes a villain, right?

16:35 That's how quickly Yeah.

16:36 this can turn.

16:37 Absolutely.

16:37 Yeah.

16:38 Yeah.

16:38 It was a big chance.

16:39 He should have scored even if I think

16:40 the bounce before makes it makes it a little bit

16:44 Hav would have scored, right?

16:46 Yeah.

16:46 But I don't know if Havs would have scored,

16:47 but uh the bounce the rebound makes it a little bit more tricky.

16:51 I get that.

16:52 But still, he should he should bury that.

16:53 And and the game is over then to be fair.

16:56 even even before Juliano's kind of chance that he has after that.

16:59 Um but apart from that and I know this is a big

17:03 apart from the rest of his game all around was brilliant for me.

17:07 His best game in an Arsenal shirt even without the goal, even without chance.

17:10 Describe what he did for those who

17:12 everything all the runs were great as we saw on the goal.

17:15 Uh it's not just that his runs were great,

17:18 but it's also that finally which was always going to take a bit

17:21 of time for this Arsenal team to finally play a bit more for him.

17:25 Um but Saliba found him.

17:27 Saliba would have never played the pass that he played for Garez on the Arsenal

17:30 goal two or three months ago or at the start of the season for example.

17:34 But this time more and more they find him.

17:36 He holds up the ball a bit better than he did.

17:38 We saw that against Fulham.

17:39 We saw that in this game even if there's a couple of times

17:41 even the one where he bumped into his own player at some point.

17:44 So he's still not perfect but he works so hard.

17:47 He presses.

17:48 He's he's a a nuisance for the defenders.

17:52 is difficult to play against to mark because he's

17:54 so big and so strong and all of that.

17:56 If you play on his strength, he will be very helpful to your team.

18:00 If you don't play on on his strength, then yeah, for a long period of time,

18:03 he would be there not touching the ball

18:05 and being around the box and there's no crosses.

18:07 There's nothing for him and for that it's not great.

18:09 But I think more and more he's adapting

18:11 to the team and the team is adapting to him.

18:13 So I think this gets us

18:14 to a fundamental philosophical aspect in football, right?

18:19 It's the old thing that we have in Italy

18:21 and Spain about the blanket where your blanket's too short.

18:23 You can either keep your feet warm or you can either keep your head warm, right?

18:28 If you're going to play to's strength,

18:34 it'll come at the expense of something else, right?

18:36 Because there's only so many ways to approach.

18:38 And this ties in as well, I think, also with Zubie Mandy and Lewis Kelly, right?

18:43 Because yes, I want to put Rice sitting in front of the back four.

18:47 Okay.

18:48 Um, that'll work in some games,

18:50 but in other games then I lose Rice coming forward.

18:53 I don't necessarily white right want Rice to be the first pass out

18:56 of the back all the time because I kind of know what's coming.

18:59 Um, in some ways like if Arteta were here,

19:04 we' like, "Oh, now you have a decision to make.

19:06 You have a problem." And he would say something like, "Well,

19:07 it's the problem every manager would want." And it's cliches,

19:10 but fundamentally you have a decision to make here, too.

19:12 You have a decision to make visav Urugard as well.

19:15 Do you try to recover him in your base formation?

19:17 You only have x amount of games left, right?

19:20 And every game because of the Champions League,

19:22 so because the Premier League as well is really really important.

19:25 Yeah.

19:26 Yeah.

19:26 I I'm going to be and I'll throw I'll give you another one.

19:28 Mad I think Mad is one of those guys who even when he doesn't per perform well,

19:34 he still doesn't hurt you and he still gives you a lot of um

19:38 he gives you a lot of productivity off the ball and stuff like that.

19:42 Okay.

19:42 But then we saw Trosard is in this game who different profile, right?

19:46 Martinelli is still in the mix and Jos of course is another one.

19:51 So I kind of feel like we can talk about Oh, and Capia Calafury.

19:56 Another one.

19:56 Also, I'm assuming Timber will return at some point.

20:00 Say, "Hey, Ben, thanks for the service.

20:01 Go back to doing what you do in your spare time." Timber goes right in.

20:05 I realize there's so many calls for him to make

20:09 and so many when you got so many calls, so many things that can go wrong.

20:12 Um, I have no idea what he's going to do,

20:15 but certainly he has more big calls now than you

20:19 would expect a team at the start of the season,

20:21 which I think is actually a good thing because for much of the year

20:25 when Arsenal kind of hit the skids,

20:27 it was all Arsenal predictable, Arsenal one-dimensional,

20:31 uh, the set pieces, transition, that's the only way they're going to score.

20:34 Where's Saka?

20:35 Where's Udigard?

20:36 Blah blah blah.

20:36 Right now, you kind of have these options.

20:39 Yeah.

20:39 Yeah.

20:39 Yeah.

20:40 I think there's some that are easy picks really because

20:45 on the left Rosar is better than Martinelli Madik even on the left.

20:50 So this one makes sense at right back

20:52 if Timber is fit better than white no problem.

20:55 A left back it depends who you play against.

20:57 If you want more control and somebody better on the ball

21:00 Kalafuri if you want a better defender in capier.

21:02 Okay.

21:02 Want somebody more handsome Kafuri as well.

21:04 As well of course.

21:05 Yeah.

21:05 Sorry P

21:06 Saka you know the problem.

21:07 and Ezard and and Geris and Havtz are

21:10 the two really right now that we can look into

21:13 more than Luis Kelly Zubie

21:14 and maybe Lis Kelly Zubie as well.

21:16 You're right.

21:16 You're right.

21:16 And to be fair, there's also in those two is the three matchups.

21:20 Sorry, one player that has got more momentum than the others.

21:23 Luis Kelly more than Zubie

21:25 Az more than than other guard because Az has been

21:27 playing well the last two games only where he started

21:29 and other guard is still coming back from yet another

21:32 injury and I'm not sure about his match fitness and certainly

21:35 um you know what kind of what can he bring

21:38 to the team from the start for 90 minutes can he

21:40 do that we're not sure and and for Geris and Havs

21:44 it' be the same was injured he's just coming back

21:46 what will his physical condition

21:48 exactly when Geris has done well in the last few games so

21:51 it looks if if the final was tomorrow for example against PSG I

21:56 think you know that Geris would start you know that is would

21:59 start you probably know that Luis Kelly would start and I left back

22:03 I guess against due maybe more in capier than Kalaf Fury

22:06 but but the final is not tomorrow there's another three and a half weeks

22:10 there's and there's another three finals between

22:12 this and the other final and and I think that's

22:14 the single biggest thing uh that he needs

22:16 to weigh up so some big decisions for Mikarta all All right, enough Arsenal.

22:24 Let's talk about the other semifinal.

22:26 Jules, yeah, Pyan's your man getting it done in Munich at the Olympia Stadium.

22:33 Bayern uh losing one nil.

22:35 The goal comes early

22:37 and I'm going to come out and remember we said this before,

22:39 you disagree with me, right?

22:40 I'm sorry, you may remember this differently, but I you said, well,

22:44 these two teams could only play this way, the way they played in the first leg.

22:47 And I said actually I think Paris Sanain can play a different

22:50 way and I think they will if if needed in the second leg.

22:55 Yeah.

22:54 And I feel vindicated because in that second half they had 27% possession.

23:02 And they looked so comfortable without the ball.

23:05 First leg we saw both teams going for it all the time back

23:09 and forth turning the ball over man for man all over the pitch.

23:11 In the second one I saw a lot of doubling up.

23:13 I saw a lot of defensive help.

23:15 Um, and it's it's not that Lu Sika was being negative.

23:20 No, no, no.

23:20 He was managing the game and playing to the strengths.

23:23 A strength and a style of play that Paris San have in their locker,

23:28 which I don't think Bayern have in their locker to be honest.

23:31 Not that they were in a situation where they needed to play that way, but

23:34 No.

23:34 No.

23:35 Yeah.

23:35 I mean, I think Lucen Ricky has created a monster,

23:38 built a monster of a team that can

23:39 do everything really when needed, that can adapt.

23:42 I mean the game plan that he had for this game was just perfect really.

23:46 There was everything that he asked the players to do.

23:50 Uh from obviously the doubling up on OS and Diaz with Ruiz and and Jo

23:56 Neves from even the goal kicks that Safonov

23:59 was taken and on purpose hitting them out

24:02 for a throw in behind O's back so you could press high and push them

24:06 like that and make it difficult for Oly to get any kind of momentum and space.

24:10 It was a genius move.

24:12 Everything they did was just perfect even without Hakeime

24:16 and obviously scoring early which they which is what they do.

24:19 They did against Chelsea this season.

24:21 They did against Arsenal last season.

24:22 They did against Liverpool last season especially and that's why I'm

24:26 a bit disappointed by the Bayern Munich and Vinnie Company's tactics.

24:30 PSG knew that Bayern would come at them and Bayern came at them far too early.

24:34 You don't need to go and throw yourself like Bayern did so early on because

24:39 all you need is a one two that much space for Grass Skelly across

24:42 for Dembele who on purpose was playing as a right winger and now as the force

24:46 nine at the start of the game tonight exactly for that and he worked

24:51 well you're leaving out Warren Z or Emory.

24:55 Yeah creating the space for him but with with running

24:56 from all the way from right back across on that.

25:00 Yeah.

25:00 Yeah.

25:00 Yeah.

25:00 But that was always the plan was for the ball on the left,

25:03 the two right players.

25:04 So Dembele and Zi or the ball on the right

25:07 and the two left players uh to go in like that.

25:10 But Dembele finds the found the space for himself.

25:12 You see he stops his run, takes a step back, hit it first time.

25:15 It was just the goal that they drawn up on the tactical board before the game.

25:18 That's exactly what happened.

25:19 And I'm I thought Bayern were far too naive the way they started this game.

25:23 You also left out Fabian Ruiz's pass to cue this all.

25:26 And I

25:26 No, I said the one two.

25:27 Yeah.

25:28 Okay.

25:28 But but but but I want to just a moment with Fabin Ree because you may

25:32 not be aware of this because you were there or as I was watching Sky Italia.

25:35 They had Fousy Gulam on and he talked about the relationship between Fabin

25:39 Ruiz and Luis Enrique and he says when they were teammates at Napoli,

25:42 Luis Enrique was coaching the Spanish national team.

25:44 He's like well he doesn't like me at all.

25:47 He didn't pick him up for the World Cup.

25:48 Yeah.

25:51 And like I I'll probably never be able to play for him.

25:54 And then in this game, despite Fabin Ree's missing time,

25:56 there was all the stuff with his injury to put your faith in him.

25:59 Fabin Ree being I I thought he had a monster game.

26:02 I mean, you don't want to single and one individual out.

26:04 Um but I thought he was big and that also

26:06 speaks to Louis Syndicate putting his trust bygones be bygones.

26:10 Um with Bayern, other than maybe not attacking as intensely as they did

26:17 early on, what could they have what would you have done differently?

26:20 What do you think company wishes he could have done

26:24 differently?

26:24 For me, Davis should have started this game every day instead of Stanis.

26:27 I Stanis, I understand why he's there.

26:31 Obviously, uh especially in your buildup and everything,

26:34 but I I I think you lose a lot of what Davis can bring you.

26:38 And by the way, we saw when Davis came on, he gives the assist to Kane,

26:41 but even before that, there was more threat.

26:43 you you the PSG defense had to be a bit more on their toes

26:46 because he's so unpredict unpredictable because he's

26:48 a winger really playing at left back whereas

26:50 Stanisich on that you know on that left hand side it was just there was

26:55 there was nothing coming from him anyway

26:57 so I was disappointed that David didn't start

26:59 and then didn't come on earlier to be fair and then in a team that lacks

27:03 so much creativity where Musella was not good enough not just on the the shot

27:06 that he had on the edge of the box that you know is a half

27:09 chance that probably could have done better

27:11 or should have done better but Overall,

27:13 it was not the 10 that you needed for a game like this.

27:16 Maybe bring on Carl before, maybe bring on Nikico Jackson before,

27:19 but just so just change something because like you said, PSG was so comfortable.

27:22 I think Serge and Abry, obviously, this was a game where we missed him.

27:25 We don't have the real Musa yet.

27:26 We will get the real Musa at some point.

27:28 Um, but we're going to break this down

27:29 a little bit further on Gavin Joel's podcast.

27:31 Also talk about that Nuno Mendes hand ball.

27:34 Um because I think that is one company underscored [snorts]

27:37 that after the game that is something that that went against Byron.

27:43 All right, Jules.

27:44 I we're both big Vincent company fans.

27:48 Vincent company showing that you can

27:50 be successful and intelligent without being weird.

27:55 Um Luis Enrique doesn't have that last quality, but you know,

27:58 he is a genius and we tolerate it with genius.

28:00 Andy Wall was unusual too.

28:02 Absolutely.

28:03 Um, but [laughter] sorry, he didn't blame the officiating,

28:08 but he did raise a point that it's fine margins.

28:11 He brought up the Alfonsoto Davies handball from the first leg.

28:14 I think we're both in agreement.

28:16 That's a penalty.

28:17 Those you're applying the rules, you know,

28:20 by then the Nuno Mendes one and let's get the Jos one out of it.

28:25 Yeah,

28:27 this will always get me.

28:28 I know.

28:28 I hope they never become teammates.

28:30 Um let's just explain why that is not a punishable handball.

28:38 Yeah, the rule is very clear whether you like it or not.

28:41 It's very clear.

28:42 If a teammate clears the ball away from his own goal,

28:46 so the ball is not can't go in in his in the goal as an own goal.

28:49 I mean, so it would go out anywhere else on the pitch,

28:52 but it's the arm of uh one of his teammates.

28:56 In this case, Vitinia cleared the ball

28:58 on Wednesday [snorts] like towards the Bayern half,

29:02 but he hit Joves's arm who were really raised because he

29:06 didn't expect the ball to come his way and that quickly.

29:09 Then you don't give a penalty.

29:10 I know his hand in the box.

29:11 We can all see it.

29:12 Clearly, the Bayern players and and staff didn't know the rules.

29:15 Funnily enough, the people next to me who were Germans uh

29:18 knew the rules and said straight away, it's not a pen.

29:20 you don't, you know, those pens are not they're not pens because it's

29:23 a clearance from one teammate to not towards another.

29:27 Um, so that's the rule.

29:28 I I I've got no issue with this rule to be fair.

29:31 It's um it is it is something where the referee still has

29:35 a certain amount of discretion because there's things that they have to judge.

29:38 You obviously have to judge.

29:39 Is it a clearance?

29:39 Is it like a a tackle attempt?

29:42 Is there could the ball be going somewhere else?

29:44 In this case, obviously not because it's going straight up into the air, right?

29:48 Um, so there there's a lot of things to evaluate,

29:51 but I think that one was pretty

29:54 I think this one was simple for the referee to say.

29:56 Yeah.

29:56 Yeah.

29:56 And it was really quick to be fair.

29:57 The other one was a Nuno Mendes.

29:58 I think it was about half an hour in.

30:02 Yeah.

30:01 Um, this is more complicated because Duno Mendes has already been booked.

30:08 An intentional hand ball is a second booking.

30:10 Mhm.

30:11 Um he's I think just inside his own half

30:15 and his arm just comes out and he blocks the ball.

30:18 I don't know where the ball would have gone.

30:19 I don't know was an instinctive gesture or or whatever.

30:22 So this wasn't given because um Conrad Limeyr who was

30:28 running with the ball kind of into um into Nomez's area,

30:33 he was a judged to have handled the ball.

30:38 Yeah.

30:37 To to get it under control it.

30:38 Yeah.

30:40 Um, there's an angle because his arm is down

30:44 by his side and he's kind of leaning forward.

30:45 It looks as if the ball comes off his arm.

30:48 There's another angle which makes it extremely obvious

30:51 the ball comes off his uh his leg.

30:53 I think his chest as well and then never hits his arm.

30:57 Um, now the referee could not have seen this.

31:01 There's no possible way.

31:02 I know the linesman gave it to him.

31:04 I think it's either the linesman or the fourth official behind the benches.

31:07 back with he he kept doing the thumbs up.

31:10 He gave the thumbs up.

31:12 Yeah.

31:12 Um there was some speculation I think from company afterwards saying well he

31:16 gave the thumb he was somebody reminded him that Mendes had already been booked.

31:19 You didn't want to send him off.

31:20 No, it wasn't that.

31:22 I don't [snorts] think it was that.

31:23 I but like the some of the footage I saw looked like to me it looked like Yeah.

31:30 Lyma controls the ball first with his some

31:32 part of his body either the thigh or the It's definitely the thigh first one.

31:36 It looked like to me that maybe he touches

31:39 his arm and without the arm he doesn't control the ball.

31:41 Certainly from that one angle where you say

31:43 it looks like he touches with his arm.

31:45 The the other angle a bit like the as a hungo penalty in the Atletico Arsenal

31:50 it seems that depending on the angle that you're looking at.

31:53 Um but the what I would just say is the linesman is really well positioned.

31:57 He's literally because that happens just in front

31:59 of the bench where the lino is.

32:00 He is but he is in line and Lyr's arm is blocking where the ball hits his body.

32:06 Okay.

32:07 Um, like I think this is one thing where if this happens at the World Cup,

32:10 we will have V for this.

32:11 Yeah.

32:12 No.

32:12 Yeah.

32:13 Um, and and going forward, we we will

32:16 if I were Bayern, I would definitely be annoyed,

32:19 but I would also realize and and I would

32:21 ask the question about Ja Pinedo as well, the referee.

32:24 He's like, if you're not Yeah, they have no problem with you getting help

32:27 from the fourth official or the assistant referee,

32:29 but they have to be certain of what they're actually seeing

32:33 um before they step in.

32:35 And we'll never know.

32:37 But obviously losing a guy like Nuno Mendes going down to 10 men.

32:41 I think Oh yeah, that would I think the arithmetic all changes.

32:44 It becomes a lot harder if you're going to have 27%

32:47 possession second half 10 men becomes it becomes a different game.

32:50 So I get that.

32:52 But you know those are the rubs.

32:55 Um, one guy who's kind of disappeared from Penterman between

33:00 now and the season and I just kind of want

33:02 to we talked about the title race with Laws

33:06 and obviously Lon's drawing at the weekend took it away.

33:10 Um, Arsenal have a much more intense title

33:13 race even though if you look at the gap

33:15 in points it doesn't necessarily feel that way

33:19 but obviously City have the game in hand.

33:22 Yeah.

33:22 Although Lons have the headto-head.

33:23 It's just that P Sanain are a much better team than

33:25 Lon's Arsenal are not a much better team than Manchester City.

33:28 And that's why I think psychologically we we look at this.

33:31 Um do you think given what we've seen so

33:35 far that he has to put out a real lineup

33:37 uh like and play some of his best men

33:40 in the next games just to wrap up the league, get it out of the way, right?

33:43 You're not going to rest people for three weeks.

33:45 No, but I think if they beat Bryce this weekend, it's pretty much done.

33:48 They'll be six points clear with two games to go.

33:51 uh you know even even if one of them is against Lawrence

33:54 you you say that 621 to go but one is the headto-head with Lawrence

33:57 and the one after that is the derby

34:00 and derby's anything can happen in a derby right

34:02 the on goal difference which there's still a gap

34:04 between PSG and Law on goal difference so unless

34:06 they're beating they they they are beaten like three

34:09 or four nil by Lawrence which is I guess how big is that

34:12 I think it's plus five or six um but I

34:16 think no I think we'll see certainly this weekend

34:18 rotation um you know for uh for the game at the weekend and a lot of the players

34:23 who didn't play much uh against Bayern for example

34:28 um so team very similar to the one

34:30 that drew with Lauron but yeah it's always risky

34:32 I think to balance the two competition when you get

34:34 to that to that stage now Arta to certain

34:37 extent different because he almost has to play

34:39 the strongest team in the league between now

34:41 and the end of the season before then thinking about

34:43 the the final um for lu I think that there could be a bit of a mix this weekend

34:48 and then certainly for the launch That's the one

34:50 not to lose and then after that it it be.

34:54 Um, final point, we're going to be asking this again and again and again,

34:57 but what strikes you about this team?

34:59 I believe, and you'll correct me because I'm sure I'll get this wrong,

35:02 but I think Marinos is 31.

35:05 Uh, Dembele is 28.

35:08 Yeah.

35:08 Um, Fabin Ree is

35:10 30.

35:11 30.

35:12 Yeah.

35:12 Everybody else has a lot of years ahead of him, right?

35:14 Yeah.

35:14 Yeah.

35:15 Um, so when you think obviously you start

35:18 thinking succession for Marinos and again projecting forward he's

35:24 had all season with Zabney you'll be forming

35:27 an opinion of whether Zabari can be Marinos's long-term heir

35:32 Fabin Ree I think he has it in house

35:34 and I mean Jay Emry is a different profile but

35:38 yeah JY has to he has to be in the starting

35:41 11 I it's so hard to keep him out right Um,

35:45 and Dembele like you got another four or five years here, right?

35:47 And you also have Bradley Barcoola, Kenyan Lee, uh, whatever else.

35:52 But for me, one question is the goalkeeper because he

35:58 had all season long to look at Safenov last year said,

36:00 "Eh, you know, I better bring somebody else in." Right.

36:06 He didn't start saf.

36:09 No.

36:09 Yeah.

36:13 Is what What's your take?

36:14 Is Safarov a viable long-term option?

36:17 Should he reopen it and say, "Hey, Shiovalier,

36:19 I know the wheels came off, but you're still young.

36:22 Let's have an open competition between you and Safenov."

36:24 I think Shiovalier will go in the summer, I think.

36:26 And to be fair,

36:27 he's going to write him off after just like that.

36:29 I think so.

36:29 Yeah.

36:30 And I think you can probably recoup

36:32 quite a good amount because he's still young.

36:33 He's still highly rated.

36:35 They they I think there will be a market for him somewhere.

36:38 Um and then it depends where you want to go after that.

36:41 If you go,

36:42 what would you do?

36:43 Do you think I mean,

36:43 do you feel good about Safenov being your goalkeeper next season?

36:47 I mean, right now, so far in the semi-final,

36:50 quarterfinal and last 16, he's been he's been perfect.

36:53 You know, there's they have

36:54 Do you think this is his level?

36:56 Yeah, I mean, is he on?

36:57 No.

36:57 Will he ever be?

36:58 No, that's for sure.

36:59 you have an Italian keeper ready to step in and have

37:02 and they've got high hopes in him although he's still very very young but so no

37:06 he's not he's not he's not in the top five goalkeepers in the world but he's he

37:11 has done well he has done the job that he had to do in those games

37:14 what what more can you ask of him nothing really and let's see in the final but

37:18 yeah know and for me again there's another question we'll be asking

37:22 I'll just give you a quick preview man are better this year

37:26 than they were last year agree

37:28 and because I I think what some people forget a little bit,

37:31 you said Safenov has done the job, has done what was asked of him.

37:34 Donaruma I thought with some of those saves

37:37 in the knockouts went beyond what was asked of him.

37:41 I mean talk five fine margins he made saves that other keepers don't make.

37:44 Yeah.

37:44 Yeah.

37:44 Absolutely.

37:45 Saf hasn't been asked to do that and parano

37:48 and I think that might be the difference there.

37:50 Yeah.

37:50 I think you're right.

37:51 They're better.

37:51 I mean Kella yesterday best player in the world for me.

37:54 Right now there's nobody better than him.

37:56 He was unplayable.

37:57 Patro the same against Kane and they are

38:00 better than they were at this stage last season.

38:01 Even even if they were very good last season at this stage

38:04 I think Dembele is better than he was last season at this stage.

38:07 I think Dway is better than and I think you can look player by player.

38:11 Debele won the balandor by the

38:12 Yeah.

38:12 Yeah.

38:12 But you're saying he's better this season but he's certainly

38:15 not among the favorites of the balandor which is crazy.

38:17 I mean maybe he will.

38:19 No, but I'm saying maybe he will if he wins the

38:22 Well, if he wins the Champions League, I think he

38:23 But you just But but just to know I'm just putting this in context, right?

38:26 Demellle wins at Belindor last season.

38:28 Then you say he's even better this year.

38:30 But think is the best player in the world.

38:32 That's I mean that tells you where they are right now.

38:34 Yeah, absolutely.

38:35 I think they're an incredible team again.

38:39 All right, enough Champions League.

38:40 How about some quick hits instead?

38:42 Let's go.

38:43 Big developments in the Premier League title race.

38:45 Manchester City go a goal up then 3-1

38:47 down in a second half horseshoe and then they

38:50 snatch an equalizer at the buzzer via Jeremy Douku

38:54 Jules the edge has decidedly shifted to North London.

38:57 Yeah it has because it was really in the ends of of City before

39:01 if they scored more if they won all their games and Arsenal did too.

39:04 If they scored more goals they would win uh and go difference.

39:08 That's not the case anymore.

39:09 Now they need Arsenal to at some point

39:11 at some point drop points against either West Ham, Burnley or Crystal Palace.

39:15 But if Arsenal go and win all three of those games,

39:17 then City won't win the title.

39:19 So I didn't see this one coming.

39:21 I didn't see that collapse coming in the second

39:22 half and them conceding those three goals.

39:24 Really cheap goals to concede, mistakes everywhere.

39:26 Gay, Kusanov, um, all of them like Nunes, O'Reilly, all of them.

39:34 I I like I didn't see that coming at all.

39:37 Donaruma.

39:38 It's just it was just incredible to watch.

39:40 If you were you surprised by Pep's

39:42 reaction afterwards when you just talked about how

39:44 good they played in the first half and I kind of want to be like,

39:47 yeah, you played really well in the first half

39:48 and you scored you scored one goal in the first half.

39:52 Yeah.

39:52 And it was a worldly as well.

39:53 And it was and and it was like two worldies from Jeremy.

39:57 Yeah.

39:58 No, I was agree.

39:58 Yeah, I agree with you.

40:00 Um

40:02 I wonder too the the Premier League could hinge on that second DKU worldy

40:07 because Yeah.

40:08 Yeah.

40:08 these margins are so fine.

40:10 I mean and the other interesting aspect

40:12 too is you mentioned the goal difference, right?

40:14 So Arsenal still plus four.

40:17 Yeah.

40:16 City have a game in hand.

40:18 They can go and pump somebody six or seven nil.

40:20 It's possible, right?

40:22 And then that kind of wipes it out and then

40:25 but then Arsenal still it kind of wipes out.

40:28 it would wipe out potentially Arsenal's kind of little cushion of being

40:32 able to draw a game between now and the end of the season.

40:35 So I think for Arteta the math doesn't change.

40:38 We have to win all games.

40:39 [snorts] And sticking with City Gap,

40:40 Phil Foden's contract has been extended through 2030.

40:44 What does this tell you?

40:45 It tells me that Pep Guardiola will not be the city manager in 2030 and probably

40:51 possibly there's been rumors all season not next year.

40:55 As a club, you've made a decision.

40:57 I'm sure it was Ugo Vana's decision.

40:58 Come what may we cannot wait on Pep.

41:01 This guy's an asset.

41:02 This guy stays and whether it's Pep or somebody else.

41:06 We're going to expect him to rebuild Phil Foden

41:08 into the force that we know he can be.

41:11 It's a classic go this weekend Jules and it's more it's another rough few

41:15 days for Real Madrid starting with Kian Mbappe and his online petition as well.

41:20 Yeah, incredible online petition to u to sell him by the club that has

41:24 been signed by more than 18 million people around the around the world.

41:28 Now, it could be a bunch of bots.

41:29 It could be a bunch of people in their basement.

41:30 It could be fans of other clubs.

41:32 It feels like 18 million is a lot and it's a lot.

41:35 Can I also say if I'm Real Madrid, I'm not going to push back on the 18 million

41:38 because I can just say look how popular we are.

41:42 You have 18 million people signing a petition in 48 hours.

41:45 Uh the le the latest reason why or issue

41:48 that some fans have uh with Kian is that he

41:51 had a few days off because he you know

41:53 he was recovering from an injury and on those days

41:55 off he decided to go away with his girlfriend

41:57 to Sardinia and got obviously popped there by the photographers

42:01 and the paparazzi and then came back just

42:03 about on time for the game at the weekend.

42:06 Uh and people didn't like that.

42:08 I don't understand why uh people don't like the fact

42:11 that on your day off you can do what you want.

42:13 Gabby, if you're off, if you want to go to Italy, to Paris, stay in your bed,

42:17 play on the PlayStation, or watch movies all day long,

42:19 you can do whatever you want.

42:20 This is your days off.

42:22 He was allowed by Real Madrid to go away.

42:24 He told them he was going away.

42:25 I don't understand the problem.

42:27 But clearly,

42:28 the Mbappe family released a statement to say like, "Hang on a minute.

42:31 What is this all about?" Because we did nothing wrong here.

42:34 I just don't understand.

42:35 I think it's again, it's something something that triggered

42:37 the anger that people had maybe towards him.

42:39 Yes, because the team sucks and you need to understand where you are right now.

42:42 And then the mistake I think was also from Real Madrid.

42:45 They should have said what I would have said is listen,

42:49 you need to be here and you need to be present

42:50 because you are you are the face of this team, right?

42:53 And I'm sorry, you're not going away.

42:55 You're certainly not going on a boat.

42:57 Then if we lose to Classico and Barcela win the title,

43:01 hey, you want to go recover, be ready for the World Cup?

43:05 Fine.

43:05 Go to Sardinia.

43:06 You can borrow my boat.

43:08 But that is what Real Madrid should have done.

43:10 That is what Area should have thought of.

43:11 That's what all these smart people at the club should have done because the PR

43:14 damage of this is something that the club don't need and Mbappé doesn't need.

43:19 Yeah.

43:19 And Gab, it's not just Kean in the eye of the storm.

43:22 No, I mean there's there's reports of Alv

43:24 and Shumeni getting into it in the training

43:26 ground and then obviously the big one uh Alvarado Carreras and uh and Rutiger.

43:31 I know that somebody needs to be the tough guy, the enforcer.

43:34 It's obviously not gonna be Carreras.

43:36 So, it's it's Tony Rutiger.

43:38 He then patched things up, took everybody out for a meal.

43:40 You need this, I think, in in any team.

43:43 Um, so I don't think this is as big a deal,

43:45 but I I think Rutiger has an understanding

43:48 that the fans may have written off the season,

43:51 but they don't want to lose the title.

43:53 Yeah.

43:53 In the classical, Mr.

43:55 Marinakis and Nottingham Forest are one small step away from the Europa

43:59 League final as we record this on a Thursday morning,

44:01 and that means that they're two small

44:02 steps away from the Champions League next season.

44:05 so much for all the Mr.

44:06 Marinaki's haters out there.

44:08 Wash your mouth out with soap.

44:10 And on Monday, they all but stayed up

44:12 by coming into Stanford Bridge and destroying Chelsea 3-1.

44:15 Yeah, I mean, we can talk about

44:16 Chelsea more than Forest here really because there's Of course, Mr.

44:19 Marinis doesn't get the credit he deserves, but

44:21 Vito Peller deserves a lot of credit is exceptional.

44:24 Yeah, with a mixed team shown it before.

44:26 Yeah, with a mixed team.

44:27 Uh, finally Marinaki is getting the right manager in.

44:31 I mean, he had so many tries that at some point it was going to work.

44:34 Uh, well done to them.

44:35 But what about Chelsea, man?

44:38 How bad is this?

44:39 Like, this was one of the worst I've seen in a very long time for a home team of

44:45 like Kell McFarland paying to the doing like, oh, look, I have no clue.

44:48 So, I know I'll put the kid in from the youth

44:50 team because he's going to get all the support.

44:52 And then this poor the poor dairy guy.

44:54 Jesse Derry gets

44:55 who's very good by the way.

44:56 Very good at whatever, right?

44:57 Great future.

44:58 But it's so cravenly.

45:00 No ideas.

45:01 Yeah.

45:03 Yeah.

45:03 vibe is terrible.

45:04 It's terrible season.

45:06 I mean, they can maybe turn it around by turn

45:08 the vibe around by beating City in the Cup of Cup final.

45:11 Winning the effect of they need to think about they need to think that stuff.

45:14 Yeah, no question.

45:15 Oh, a nice goal by Joe Pedro, too.

45:17 Yeah, lovely goal.

45:17 That's right.

45:18 Also on Monday, Gabby Roma beat up Florentina 4-nil.

45:21 What are the chances that we can see

45:23 Gasparini back in the Champions League next season?

45:25 So, it's tight.

45:26 It's tight.

45:26 It's really tight.

45:27 It's great.

45:28 Milan on 67, but definitely trending in the wrong direction.

45:31 Juventus on 65, Roma 64, Ko 62.

45:35 Um there's no head-to-heads,

45:36 but there is a Rome derby in uh in two weeks from now,

45:40 which I think is going to be determinant to Roma

45:43 and Trin Derby on the last day of the season,

45:46 possibly a little less.

45:47 So, um this was full-on Kasperini.

45:50 I think now that he won the power struggle,

45:51 he's vindicated and Daniel Mullen is uh is playing up a storm.

45:55 Manchester City have won the women's super league here in England Jewels

45:58 on the sofa as it was uh as they saw um we

46:02 watch Arsenal draw with Brighton not really surprised despite all those games

46:05 in hand for Renee Slagers and City could win the double too.

46:08 Yeah they can they in the semi-final of the FA Cup first

46:10 title in 10 years they have been even if the end there was

46:14 a bit tricky they lost at Brighton for example who are building

46:18 up a really nice team as well as a new stadium for them.

46:21 Um but they deserved it.

46:22 They have the best what the best team right now.

46:25 The one that starts they have been the best team all season long.

46:29 Well done to them.

46:30 You know Champions League is coming again which they need to.

46:33 Uh and it's a disappointment I guess for Arsenal and Chelsea not

46:37 to have been able to stay compete with them until the end.

46:40 Huge win for Sevilla on Monday night as Alexis Sanchez pops up

46:43 late to score the only goal in the win against Real Soad.

46:47 Uh yeah disappointing for my boy Matero.

46:49 They're not out of the woods yet.

46:50 They're simply out of the bottom three.

46:52 Uh, Jules, this is insane.

46:53 But with four games to go,

46:55 there are no fewer than nine teams that could yet go down.

47:00 Neymar is a bundle of nerves these days.

47:04 Now, it's all cleared up now because, yeah, an apology,

47:07 but uh he didn't enjoy it when uh Robinho's son um

47:12 whose dad [clears throat] Roinho Jr.'s dad you might have heard of.

47:15 Yeah.

47:15 Nutmeg him in training.

47:16 Yeah.

47:16 Didn't like it at all.

47:18 slapped him in the face apparently and confronted him.

47:21 I mean, I don't know what to say anymore.

47:24 I think he's sad.

47:25 I really think he's sad.

47:26 I think this is his World Cup gone.

47:27 You can't if you're Kon Shalotti and the Brazilian national team,

47:31 you can't bring him to the World Cup with attitude like this.

47:33 Not Not because that means he's going

47:34 to do it in your camp during the competition.

47:37 It's just not the look you want, not the questions that you want being asked.

47:41 You don't want it to be all about Neymar.

47:42 And what if something similar happens?

47:45 Because clearly he's on, he's very nervous.

47:47 He's on he's on the edge.

47:49 Uh and I don't think you can take that risk if you're

47:51 on Chelse and also let's not forget because if if Neymar is amazing

47:54 on the pitch right now and you know on fire then okay you

47:59 could have the conversation but he's not even that he's not even that great.

48:02 He's not bad but he's not that great and they have other options

48:05 and they have many of options.

48:06 Yeah, exactly.

48:07 So I find that a bit sad.

48:08 I find this season sad the argument with the fans

48:11 uh the you know the injuries or is he injured?

48:14 Does he have a virus or did he not want to show up this now with Robinho Jr.

48:19 All of this it's just so terrible.

48:21 I think for his legacy, for his image, for everything

48:24 when you were playing for the uh U8s and the French

48:27 and and you had some little kid playing up,

48:31 anybody ever tried to not beg you?

48:33 Would you have been okay with it?

48:34 There's this famous story with a French national team of Vikas Doraso.

48:37 Do you remember him?

48:38 Of course.

48:38 He played for me then.

48:39 Who was a little bit cheeky?

48:40 His first training with the national team and some

48:43 of the boys didn't like it and we never saw him again.

48:46 So you are you So you're okay with that code?

48:48 No, no, no, no.

48:49 the respect code you're not

48:50 but I think also if you're Doraso if you're Robin your junior

48:54 there's things that you know you could be doing and things

48:56 that even if you want to do it even if capable

48:58 of not making Neymar or I don't know Zidan or Deson

49:02 you know whoever was playing with Daso at the time be smart just don't do it

49:05 I I also think in a training session it's a little different and we

49:09 from the outside we don't know the context of this so we don't know like

49:13 you know during a game you presume Neymar is engaged right if Neymar felt you

49:18 just did this just to make me look stupid and I wasn't even half trying.

49:24 Yeah.

49:23 Like I I have a problem.

49:24 You you if you got the guts to do this when there's

49:27 something at stake when you come on as a sub or whatever, respect.

49:31 No, but I remember when I was when I was starting playing

49:33 with the the first team in my club in the fourth division in Paris,

49:37 you could not you could not mess up with the leaders

49:39 of that squad and the captains and the older players if

49:42 you didn't try to not make anybody.

49:43 Definitely not.

49:44 You but they would literally cut your legs off.

49:46 It would be like that.

49:47 But you knew it already.

49:48 you knew the codes of that dress.

49:49 Do you think it you think the code is still strong today?

49:51 Would you because younger players are often encouraged to play with I mean

49:55 I mean at Benafa for example,

49:56 Alon when he was starting far more than Karim but Hatim

50:00 that's why he had so many issues with the likes of Skilachi

50:02 for example who had you know was the keeper of the rules

50:05 as the one of the oldest player and French international and

50:08 and Hatem just wanted to do humiliate people and not make

50:11 everybody and they clashed massively and and Squidashi went after him.

50:15 Isn't there some famous video of like um like I think it's like

50:21 a fly onthe-wall documentary about Claire Fontaine

50:25 and there's a young Benarfa and Dyabi.

50:27 They're like 8 years old and like Yeah.

50:28 But that's different.

50:29 And like Benarfa was making fun of Diab and Dy runs after him.

50:32 Yeah.

50:32 That's a bit different though as big as like five Benfas.

50:36 Yeah.

50:36 Yeah.

50:36 Yeah.

50:36 Yeah.

50:37 Happy days.

50:38 Happy days.

50:38 It's official now.

50:39 Gabby Jakob Kuio, one one half of Franchesco Faroli's Polish power title winning

50:45 center back pairing with Yam Benedar will be sticking around Aporto next season.

50:49 They're making his move from Arsenal permanent

50:52 for 17 million euros rising to 22.

50:54 That's a good deal for Arsenal.

50:56 I think it's a very good deal for Arsenal.

50:57 I think the other one to watch now is uh

50:59 Fabio Vieiraa who's had a good season at Hamburg staying up

51:04 Hamburg saying I don't know.

51:04 Apparently there was a 20 million euro option to make the deal permanent.

51:08 Um Hamburg I think rightly options are options

51:12 right that's all they need um [snorts] Hamburg saying

51:14 no no no we'll we'll give you 12 million

51:16 right so at some point Arsenal can think all

51:18 right because this isn't the NFL or the NBA

51:22 the players get a say right so or what Arsenal need to weigh up is okay we need

51:27 or your boy Andrea Berta needs to figure out

51:30 all right can we put is there somewhere else where we can get

51:33 more money than this that Fabio Vieiraa will accept and be happy with

51:38 knowing that Fabio Vieier is not a guy who's gotten

51:41 a ton of playing time at different clubs over the years.

51:43 Um, is he settled?

51:45 Can he can he then do the deal?

51:46 So, it's really complex.

51:48 You can't just go and Yeah.

51:49 Yeah.

51:49 But, um, I think the good thing is, uh,

51:53 9 million residual amortization on the on the KVR deal.

51:57 So, that is a positive movement in the balance sheet of more than 10 million.

52:01 Yeah.

52:01 And, um,

52:02 you know, I think Arsenal need to get at least 14 to net out on Fabio Vieiraa.

52:07 Yeah.

52:07 Um and you know that gets you little a little

52:12 a little bit forward on the way to Hinapier.

52:14 Obviously Ash are going to make a ton of money

52:16 from reaching the Champions League final maybe from winning it.

52:20 Um but they did spend a ton of money this year and their wage bill will go up.

52:24 So I think there's certain players that already we

52:27 think Arsenal are going to have to move on.

52:29 So I think I think this really helps.

52:33 Yeah.

52:33 Adi announced their manager Jules.

52:35 You been surprised that it's Kitchen?

52:38 Absolutely.

52:38 I won't lie.

52:39 I didn't see this one coming.

52:40 Not because I don't producer friend even put him up on the screen behind us.

52:45 He's sharing space.

52:47 Neymar Jeremy Dooku and Killian Mbappé.

52:50 I know I know how producer Freddy thinks of Eden Tzich.

52:54 Turich a former vice European champion obviously because

52:57 he took Dortmund to the Champions League final.

52:59 Beat my PSG team in the semi-final that season two years ago.

53:01 Did nothing since.

53:02 Yeah.

53:02 Ian Matson was a former European runnerup

53:07 and did nothing since although he was linked with a lot

53:09 of clubs clearly could not get those jobs that he was after

53:14 was a candidate for I would love to know if he

53:16 was really the first choice or if they tried Iola for example

53:19 if they tried Inigo Perez because I still think

53:22 that with this Atletico club the Bilba athletic club the Bilbau sorry

53:26 and the strong identity and DNA I find it really strange

53:29 that they give that to one a non Basque but that can Right.

53:33 But at least the Spaniards more than

53:35 somebody who knows nothing about Spanish football.

53:37 I guess he must have sold him purely on his coaching tactics and management.

53:43 I don't know if [snorts] he speaks the language.

53:45 Um he's a smart guy.

53:46 He can learn it.

53:48 But also because it's like with Bill Baile, it's not even like, hey, look,

53:51 you know, this is the nice thing which I kind of insulates you a little bit.

53:54 I wonder if this played into it.

53:56 Sometimes when you get coaches in, right, obviously at serious clubs,

54:00 you've got recruitment specialists who do the recruitment,

54:02 but every coach has an agent and every

54:05 coach an agent who likes to place players, right?

54:07 And he say, "Hey, like, you know, talk to the director of football,

54:10 you know, see if we can find a home for this guy.

54:12 We really like him, blah, blah,

54:13 blah." That ain't going to be happening with Eden Turtzich,

54:17 I would assume, because they can only sign Bass players, right?

54:20 Yeah.

54:20 Yeah.

54:20 So, you know, you're he's totally cut off from from that side of things.

54:26 Things remain.

54:27 Stomia Milan got plenty of rumors that Rafael

54:29 Leo and Christian Pulysk could be moving on.

54:32 Yeah, it's like Game of Thrones over there

54:34 right now with a different uh different caps.

54:37 Um, nobody kind of knows what what what what Jerry Cardin is going to do.

54:43 Um, Lea's been linked with a move away.

54:48 Polisic as well not having a good second half of the season.

54:51 Uh inevitably that gets linked too.

54:53 I think it's going to depend on whether Allegri stays,

54:56 but I go back to this part of the reason Allegri got

54:58 the job is he's such a wonderful man manager and he helps players grow.

55:01 These two players have not grown this season

55:03 and it's you know what it's not entirely their fault.

55:06 And hopefully Mil will realize that Jared Pique has been banned for six matches

55:11 following FCor's one-nil defeat to Abaeta last week.

55:14 Now just for context, Jared Pique doesn't play anymore.

55:17 No, he's the owner.

55:18 It doesn't really matter that he's been banned.

55:20 What does it mean?

55:20 You're banning an owner.

55:21 No, but it's not a good look for he's the owner of Andor, right?

55:24 They've gone They've rose up the the league tables,

55:27 the league, sorry, uh to the second division.

55:30 They are in a really good position.

55:32 I don't think they'll go up,

55:34 but they're in a good position this season and great, but then you're the owner.

55:39 You go mad because you were not happy with the some

55:42 of the decisions and obviously it's a terrible look for you.

55:46 not that he cares I think uh but for the club as well

55:49 and and he's sort of talking positively about and Pandora and they rise from you

55:54 know I know I know where they are because that's where my family is

55:57 from so it's tiny they've done an amazing

55:59 job there he's built something quite special

56:01 and you don't really know what the limit is uh for them and they

56:05 could go probably higher but this is not a good look at all man he

56:08 needs to to to control his temper to control himself as well so that when

56:13 they are in La Liga one day maybe or in the champion one Yeah,

56:15 that's what we wish for them.

56:17 Things like that don't happen again.

56:20 Gab, remember that Tom Hamilton story on the website

56:22 about all those Dutch dual nationals that could

56:25 uh could have forced more than 100 replays

56:27 between now and the end of the season?

56:29 Well, sanity has prevailed.

56:30 Yes, it's not actually going to happen.

56:31 The court case was brought by Brada.

56:33 This all has to do with the fact

56:35 that with the rise of Corasowl and Cape Verde and Indonesia,

56:39 a lot of these guys who are Dutch

56:41 but have that they're they have roots in those countries,

56:45 you know, those countries went to them and said,

56:46 "Hey, like, you know, remember how grandpa was from Indonesia?

56:50 Um, do you want an Indonesian passport and come play

56:52 for Indonesia?" And a bunch of these guys said yes.

56:54 The problem is Dutch law doesn't allow this.

56:56 Um, they would have had to have been reregistered,

56:58 get a different working visa, whatever.

57:00 Um, and technically there was a chance that they

57:05 would have had to replay all these games.

57:08 Fortunately, um, that's not going to happen.

57:11 They need to find a solution.

57:12 I've argued for a long time.

57:14 If countries do not allow dual nationals,

57:18 FIFA should come up and have a call it a football nationality.

57:22 I don't understand why if you're Dutch

57:26 and you are eligible to play for another country legitimately.

57:31 Yeah.

57:30 Um you know through bloodlines or residency frankly or marriage even

57:37 why you should not be allowed to do

57:38 so just because a Dutch government says you can't.

57:41 Maybe it's not a real passport but maybe you you have a footballing exemption.

57:45 Why?

57:45 What's the point?

57:46 Yeah.

57:47 No, I'm with you.

57:47 Although it probably be difficult to police maybe

57:50 from UFI and or FIFA and not their job either,

57:53 you know, to try to sort out because then

57:55 you could have a lot of national teams who say,

57:56 "Hey, Gab Marotti is a great player.

57:58 We would love to have him playing for Japan because you love Japan or Nigeria,

58:03 although he's Italian and you know an American.

58:06 What do we do here?" And then they find a way

58:09 of trying to convince FIFA to give you their nationality,

58:12 their football nationality when you maybe don't you should not be allowed.

58:16 My problem is the double standard, right?

58:18 So, if you're Italian or if you're French,

58:20 you're allowed to have hold multiple passports.

58:24 Yeah.

58:24 Right.

58:24 If you're Dutch, you're not.

58:25 Yeah.

58:25 Yeah.

58:25 Yeah.

58:25 In that case, yeah, definitely.

58:27 I to me that that's the main thing that doesn't make sense.

58:32 The Times reporting that Junior Koopy,

58:34 who could break the record of Premier League goals

58:36 by a teenager jointly held by Robbie Keane and Robbie Fowler,

58:40 um, and not Michael Omen, which kind of surprised me.

58:42 Yeah.

58:42 Um, I guess he cuz he scored 18 goals in his first full season,

58:46 but I guess he must have just turned that year.

58:49 I don't know.

58:49 Whatever.

58:50 Doesn't matter.

58:50 Sorry, Michael.

58:51 Great goal scorer.

58:52 Anyway, he's being tracked by Barcelona, Chelsea, and Arsenal.

58:55 Funny enough, it's exactly what I would say if I were Bournemouth.

58:59 Exactly.

58:58 I want your thoughts on this.

58:59 And to be clear, while he is French, yes, he is.

59:03 He's neither Paris born nor Paris bred.

59:05 There's no clear evidence that he's ever been to Paris.

59:08 No, I think he's been to Paris.

59:09 But yeah, you're right.

59:10 He's not one of ours.

59:11 It's okay.

59:11 we can, you know, sometimes give a bit more talent to the rest of the country.

59:15 It's all good.

59:16 What an incredible first season.

59:17 I don't think he um saw it coming really.

59:21 I certainly didn't see it coming.

59:23 I thought he would do well and Bulma was

59:25 the perfect club for him coming from that parent

59:27 club in France Lauron where he was the star

59:28 of the French division last year 18 17 and 18.

59:32 But still the step up is big to the Premier

59:34 League and yeah he's he's gone better and bigger and stronger

59:38 than anything I could have thought of and the same

59:40 for him and I think the same at the club too.

59:43 I think it's far too early to leave Bournemouth.

59:44 He doesn't need to.

59:45 Those clubs will still be there in a year time but Raola won't

59:50 true but then then you know Marco Rosa

59:52 could be very good for for Ellie's development.

59:55 So I I think unless Bulma say listen you know we bought

59:59 you for 35 and that was cheap because he was loyal selling

1:00:03 to the parent club uh and we can't turn down 70 and making

1:00:07 twice the money that we made on you sorry you have to go if

1:00:11 if the choice is in his hands then I think he should say

1:00:14 you know what let keep keep me here for another season in the Premier

1:00:17 League where I can start every game through the season where was

1:00:20 this year he he didn't really start the first half of the season.

1:00:23 Well, I was going to say what's really impressed me,

1:00:26 it's either impressive about him or about is I I've seen Bormis play

1:00:33 live maybe three times this year and at the start of the season

1:00:38 he wasn't playing and he gets into the first team and and every

1:00:41 time I've watched him I was so impressed with with their organization,

1:00:46 their pressing movements and I thought this and then

1:00:48 he gets into the first team and I

1:00:49 thought all right this guy I can tell he's come on as a sub a few times.

1:00:52 He's a technically gifted player,

1:00:55 but he's going to screw everything up because so

1:00:58 much of the press is based on coordination and movement.

1:01:01 And he took to it like a duck to water.

1:01:05 Yeah.

1:01:04 Um, and this tells me that either he's super super smart tactically as well,

1:01:10 which you don't always associate with such a young player,

1:01:12 or is the simple simply the greatest teacher in the world.

1:01:16 Oh, the structure works better and you can put a lot

1:01:18 of good players in that structure and it still works.

1:01:20 you know, maybe as well or a bit of everything,

1:01:22 you know, but for for for that part really impressed me.

1:01:26 His dad was a really good player.

1:01:27 We said that before, I think, on the show.

1:01:29 He's a Vorian.

1:01:30 No.

1:01:31 Yeah.

1:01:31 Uh, and was a really good league league player.

1:01:35 The the football IQ that he transmitted to his son is clearly off the charts.

1:01:39 So, I'm not surprised either by all that success.

1:01:42 Gab, I don't like this story, but it won't go away.

1:01:44 So, we have to talk about it again.

1:01:45 And Donald Trump's special envoy Paulo Zampi is talking

1:01:48 about Italy replacing Iran to the World Cup again.

1:01:51 Yeah.

1:01:52 And I promised you remember last time we didn't want to do this story.

1:01:55 I don't like it.

1:01:56 Because you don't like it.

1:01:57 Okay.

1:01:57 Um uh but he leaves us no choice.

1:02:00 I now at this point you've come out and and again for for those who

1:02:05 don't know he's the guy you introduced Donald Trump to his wife.

1:02:08 Um, other than that, oh, and he's his friend,

1:02:11 so I guess he gets to be special envoy.

1:02:13 Um, for apparently for business and for sports matters.

1:02:16 Okay, whatever.

1:02:18 Um, and he says the stupid thing.

1:02:22 Everybody in Italy comes out and says, "Oh, that's ridiculous.

1:02:25 We would like we don't want to even we don't want to.

1:02:28 We would be embarrassed to do this, right?" Uh,

1:02:31 everybody at FIFA says, "No, no, it's a no-go because,

1:02:34 you know, it's going to be another team

1:02:35 from Asia that replaces Iran if they can't go.

1:02:38 Okay, fine.

1:02:39 You You look like a total fool.

1:02:41 [laughter] You've made things even worse because now people Google you and find

1:02:44 out things about your background that maybe you don't want them to talk about.

1:02:49 And what does he do?

1:02:50 He starts talking again.

1:02:52 Um he says, well, he says the FIFA rules are unclear on this.

1:02:56 We don't know.

1:02:56 The clock is ticking.

1:02:57 It's still a possibility.

1:02:59 And when they said, oh, but you know, Johnny said no.

1:03:04 He's like, "Well, you know,

1:03:05 I was able to get Johnny to He took credit for moving the draw room,

1:03:08 the World Cup draw supposed to be in Las Vegas for convincing Johnny to move

1:03:13 it to Washington DC to the Trump Kennedy Center as some people now call it."

1:03:18 I I'm like, "Really?" Like, is this is really a time for self-promotion?

1:03:22 [snorts] Just shut up.

1:03:25 Yeah.

1:03:25 It's going to be an all Mexican final in the Conquer CF Champions Cup.

1:03:28 Tigris beat Nashville 1-0il advancing 2-nil on aggregate and Tuca

1:03:32 destroyed LAFC 4-nil turning around their first leg two defeat.

1:03:37 Yeah, great performance from Tuca against her mean son in that second leg.

1:03:42 Outstanding atmosphere if you watch the the highlights as well.

1:03:46 All Mexican affair I was very happy for Tigres and Andre

1:03:51 Pinyak although you know we know this is his last season.

1:03:54 He didn't come on in their in their win 1 nil.

1:03:58 Uh but I'm hoping that he can be there maybe take a little part in this final.

1:04:04 I think it will be Tigres fifth one or sixth one since he joined the club.

1:04:09 They've only won one so they haven't done that well and that one

1:04:13 was that win sorry was in 2020 or 2021 if I remember well.

1:04:16 So massive massive game uh especially between two Mexican team.

1:04:20 It would be funny.

1:04:21 I think it'd be a really fun game to watch.

1:04:23 How old do we think Gyak is?

1:04:25 I really I promise you like 55.

1:04:28 I can't but you know there's players Gabby that you meet when they are you know

1:04:32 at the peak of the career through the career and you think okay yeah him I can

1:04:35 see I mean Cristiano being the prime example

1:04:36 obviously but even others where you think okay

1:04:38 him you can see because of the lifestyle

1:04:41 and you know just everything for I never thought

1:04:46 I never thought that he would still be playing at 40 going on 41.

1:04:49 I never thought that he could last

1:04:52 that long and still keep scoring and performing.

1:04:55 I never thought he'd do well in Mexico because I thought or

1:04:59 no that that that I thought

1:05:00 I thought the heat the humidity you want to run around you

1:05:04 south of France you know he loves that but also he doesn't run around.

1:05:07 He never he never so it doesn't really matter that he's so big.

1:05:10 Yeah.

1:05:10 Yeah.

1:05:10 And he's so one-footed and he's so big and you get him the ball and I get

1:05:14 just a phenomenal finisher you know.

1:05:16 He's great.

1:05:17 And meanwhile, Gav, speaking of Mexico,

1:05:19 it's a standoff between the federation and the clubs

1:05:21 after the national team coach Ravier Aguire said that any

1:05:25 Mexico based player who doesn't turn up for his rainy

1:05:28 camp will be excluded from the World Cup.

1:05:32 Yeah.

1:05:31 And clubs have promised to release the players too for that camp.

1:05:34 So, well, well, first of all, this is this is outside of FIFA date,

1:05:39 so you can't do that, right?

1:05:41 You you can ask, but you can't make these rules.

1:05:43 It's not a bad idea to be fair.

1:05:45 No, but except for the fact that they have playoffs in Mexico and the Champions

1:05:48 Cup and some Tuca players have they released

1:05:51 them and so on and others saying well

1:05:53 what is Dig Mechis like what what about our guys here

1:05:56 right also I think he invited 20 players obviously there's a bunch

1:06:00 of Mexican players who are still playing in Europe you're not

1:06:02 getting those guys back but you want to have a closer

1:06:04 look at them like I I don't know why do you

1:06:08 have to be so categorical and so aggressive when you speak

1:06:12 right why do you have to go out and say ah

1:06:14 You're not coming and you're not going to the World Cup.

1:06:17 I mean, what?

1:06:18 I know.

1:06:18 Do you know what I mean?

1:06:19 Like, yeah, I think it's silly.

1:06:20 This is a silly argument to have.

1:06:22 Yeah.

1:06:23 The old the old notion about like sort

1:06:24 of the spoonful of honey versus the barrel of vinegar comes

1:06:27 and the World Cup is in like a month or so,

1:06:29 you know, we're leaving soon and then this is what's happening with Mexico.

1:06:33 Instead of focusing on their home world cup

1:06:35 to do the best with with a squad and everything,

1:06:38 this is what's happening, what they're talking about.

1:06:40 It's ridiculous.

1:06:41 Jules, as of today, May 7th, with the World Cup,

1:06:45 what 34 days away, something like that, two and a half billion people worldwide,

1:06:52 which is a combined population of China and India,

1:06:54 two of the biggest markets worldwide.

1:06:58 Yeah.

1:06:57 Will not get to see the World Cup.

1:06:59 Uh as FIFA have not yet sold the rights in those terri territories.

1:07:05 So much for growing the game, huh?

1:07:07 Yeah.

1:07:07 Yeah.

1:07:07 I mean what FIFA are not happy with the offers that they got on the table.

1:07:11 Yeah.

1:07:11 So basically well with China this is always a thing right?

1:07:13 China drive a really high bargain.

1:07:15 You can go and try to sell to China and it's like

1:07:17 CCTV China Central Television is just like no we'll give you this

1:07:21 and then just don't move or not.

1:07:22 No it was like I mean the Premier League got peanuts from China

1:07:26 for many many years because they're just

1:07:28 like no Premier League is really popular here.

1:07:30 We're China.

1:07:31 We don't have to you know you have to adapt to us.

1:07:33 Yeah.

1:07:33 Yeah.

1:07:34 India is slightly different.

1:07:35 India according now these are numbers from Reuters I know

1:07:37 we are talking about our parent company here but um

1:07:41 uh Reliance which is Neil uh Amani's company um and Disney

1:07:47 um got together they wanted to do a joint a joint bid working

1:07:50 together they've offered $20 million according

1:07:53 to Reuters um FIFA wanted $100 million okay

1:07:59 um now they got really high numbers for the World Cup and cutter

1:08:04 in India And I think this is part of FIFA's thinking although so

1:08:08 we should get that but I think the big difference is that that World Cup

1:08:11 wasn't clashing with cricket season and also

1:08:13 that and time wise that's the big one right exactly same thing with China

1:08:18 so as of right now zero is better than something

1:08:21 else I talked to somebody who says well FIFA making most

1:08:24 of their money from the US and stuff like that they

1:08:28 could just give the rights away in that part of the world

1:08:31 maybe they will I refuse to believe that

1:08:37 people in China and India will not get to see the World Cup at some point.

1:08:40 They have to find an agreement.

1:08:41 It would be a real shame for them.

1:08:42 They love football over there.

1:08:43 It's it's even if the times are not perfect perfect,

1:08:47 they love games in nighttime and things like that.

1:08:49 But still, it would be a real shame.

1:08:51 But I do want to make the point FIFA's

1:08:54 mission statement includes developing the game around the world.

1:08:57 And you have the first 48 World Cup.

1:09:00 I know China and India obvious obviously haven't qualified,

1:09:02 but these are two markets where supposedly you should be developing the game.

1:09:06 So, I'm not saying take a discount, but yeah,

1:09:08 you're going to have to take a discount, bro.

1:09:10 Sorry, Johnny.

1:09:11 And staying with Johnny Gabby,

1:09:12 uh the FIFA president is attracting attention again for the wrong reasons.

1:09:16 Yeah, like we know that he doesn't always listen

1:09:18 to his adviserss and he's a very smart guy, but even very smart people, Yeah.

1:09:23 they don't know everything.

1:09:24 So, he was out there at the Milin Institute uh global conference.

1:09:28 It's Greg Milin, of course, the former junk bond king.

1:09:31 Um, I went to college with his son, Mike.

1:09:33 Okay, fun fact.

1:09:35 I mean, he's out there and he said

1:09:36 and he's talking about college prices and he says

1:09:38 you cannot go uh go to watch in in United States a college game,

1:09:42 not even I know he's speaking about a top professional game,

1:09:45 but a college game for less than $300.

1:09:48 And this is the World Cup.

1:09:49 So, first of all, he's completely wrong.

1:09:52 [laughter] Uh there's

1:09:54 lots of college football, certainly college basketball that you can go watch.

1:09:59 Um women's game as well, like cheapest tickets are not going to be $300.

1:10:04 Um but there's also professional sports you can baseball and I

1:10:08 know obviously baseball plays 162 games and most of them are relevant,

1:10:11 but there are cheap seats.

1:10:12 It's not like they sell out every game.

1:10:13 Yeah.

1:10:13 you know.

1:10:14 Um, so yeah, it's another occasion where I think needlessly

1:10:19 or maybe because you're overworked or maybe because you're unprepared,

1:10:22 you go out and you say things that make you

1:10:26 in FIFA look stupid and will resonate in a US market because

1:10:32 it's one thing if I'm out there and I'm talking about

1:10:33 stuff that average Joe in the US doesn't knows nothing about, right?

1:10:38 But if you're talking about prices to go watch sports in the US,

1:10:42 random fans are not football fans in the US, they'll know about this.

1:10:45 Yeah.

1:10:45 So if you want to make a comparison just to the NFL where Yeah.

1:10:47 I would assume in the NFL it's really hard

1:10:49 to go watch a game for less than $300,

1:10:51 but just about any other sport, there are ways to do it.

1:10:55 Yeah.

1:10:57 So anyway, Jules, this brings us to an end.

1:10:58 Uh thank you for not mentioning that your New

1:11:01 York Knicks are destroying my Sixers in the playoffs.

1:11:04 Um I'm off on uh on Monday.

1:11:07 I'll leave you enjoy your day off.

1:11:09 I'll leave you in the capable hands of one Don Hutchinson.

1:11:12 That's right.

1:11:13 Um so until then, love the game, love your neighbor, love yourself.